I have a redshift stem. Love it. You notice it for the first 5 minutes of riding moving if you were on a different fixed stem. But it smooths out the ride and reduces hand fatigue. Good product if it setup correctly, which includes adjusting the bar angle in relation to the stem flex. Nice review!
Ben's videos are awesome! Hey bike companies - Nobody I know wants to spend a big chunk of change on a gravel bike that won't clear 50mm tires without some room to spare. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
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I've got the previous gen URS and I'm very pleased with it even though it's not as unrestricted as I would have hoped ,it's a great ride when I fancy a change from my Grail
I like my Redshift stem. I run it with a stiffer than recommend elastomer combo so that it damps vibration and smoothes out the sharpest hits without bobbing under normal power. The only time I notice any bobbing is out of the saddle on the steepest hills. You're probably more sensitive and attuned than me, though 😆
Mine's setup as per their spec and I really have to push down on the bars to notice any bobbing when out of the saddle, in normal operation I can't tell it's there... until I hit that bump!
I have a basic 1st gen BMC urs, never had much chance to ride on extreme gravel/mud but the mtt is great for rough roads & pot holes, been loving it despite it’s shortfalls but keen to put on a red shift stem one day. Although I need to find tougher gravel routes test its full potential, I can positively say I still love that thing, comfort is good for amateur riders on regular gravel routes & rough roads.
Love the channel. Love your perspective. And gotta love a fellow Ben. Not sure why the past couple videos have only had audio in one ear with the actions shots. Throws me for a loop. Keep up the amazing work!
Hey buddy. Gave up on getting a felt carbon breed. Just couldnt make it happen. Got a trek checkpoint sl5. Nice bike. Took all the gobns off of it and dropped 1lb. Slapped my slr2 rims on it and its FIRE! T47 pairs well with grx. HAVE BIKE, WILL TRAVEL!!!!!🚴♂️🏋♀️👍
I stacked a Vecnum stem on my Diverge with Future Shock 2.0. Rode Unbound with this on 47cm Pathfinder tires. It's a great setup for bombing down chunky terrain.
Yeah. Throw some narrow tires and drop bars on a good XC bike (maybe a different stem too), and you have a decent “gravel” bike. Maybe use something with a double chainring and derailleur up front for some extra top end gear. When I raced XC in Alaska during the early 90s, some of our races were essentially gravel races, and there’s no way I would ride a gravel bike on those roads. The washboard was BRUTAL; hit that stuff and all the momentum and speed immediately went away. It was worse than quicksand. Sometimes an actual mountain bike makes more sense.
You don‘t need an MTB for easy singletrack and a gravel bike is way more fun on asphalt. Riding on asphalt feels like a waste of time on an MTB in comparison.
@@teqai I don't think the shots and the whole clip topic is focused on fun on asphalt. It is related to adding comfort/amortization to gravel bike, that gets it very close to light MTB.
@@maciejbrozek4666 Same goes for smooth gravel. As soon as aero becomes important, the gravelbike will outdo the MTB. Those bikes have different purposes.
Thanks, Ben and Zippy McGee! And nice to see another off-road offering, tho' URS doesn't do much for me as a name. But it does bring to mind Urgent, that'd be a cool name, especially for Zippy. 😀
I thought the RedShift stem's movement would bother me but I don't even notice it and love the simplicity vs the other suspension gizmos. Contrary to you (and most?) I ride my e-gravel bikes trying to use the LEAST amount of motor/battery assist rather than the most so the "range anxiety" so many of you fret over isn't there for me. On most of my rides the ""range" indicator actually goes UP, not down! Does BMC market theirs as some sort of e-MX machine that you have to pedal vs a bicycle with e-assist for when things get too steep or you get too tired? That's what mine are for: don't worry, just get out there and RIDE with a battery/motor that'll save the day if you choose a ride too steep or too long. TBH until the road tilts up more than a little bit I don't even notice the extra weight...and when/if I do on a climb I just hit the assist button and it's gone! I will admit to rarely riding on the type of trails your video showed..IMHO MTB would be a better choice on the ride you took!
Have you ever changed out the elastomers on Redshift stems? You might like the trade off better with a stiffer combo. I was worried about not liking the pivot and set mine up (too) hard at first. No twist bob. Also not much softening. Took it a bit softer and love it.
Been riding the Redshift since Dirty Kanza in 2019. Love it....wouldnt change it at all... Ben, you sound overly picky...its gravel...your hands should be moving around anyway....
I do see gravel bikes trending toward the soft tail or elastomer rear to help with the chatter, like this BMC. But for the price I would opt for something you could custom build, like the LightCarbon Gravel Frameset with micro supsension system for better bang for buck!
The rear MTT is stated by BMC as beng 10mm of cush. Watching the video gave me the impression that it is 20mm. I imagine the rear MTT design restricts the ultimate max tyre clearance, as you commented with your calves occasionally rubbing the MTT's 'shoulder' corners.
Great review, agree on the redshift , prefer the way Giant do their suspension, the strap touching my leg would bug the hell out of me , hopefully you can remove?
I just dont get complicated suspension systems in Gravelbikes. If 47mm of tire clearance with low tire pressure arent enough get yourself a Rockshox Rudy. For every more technical terrain I will always prefer a Mountainbike. All of these suspension systems are in my opinion more of a marketing move of the big brands than really helping the end consumer. Especially because they are a true nightmare to work on.
@@kubagornowicz I also dont want to ride big fat tires with low pressure all the time. But if i want to ride fast tires with high pressure, i dont want a flexing stem or seatstays. In that case I want a stiff and fast bike. What i want to say: I am not a big fan of these compromises and these very specific "solutions" which are just practical for one specific situation and in all the other situations they kind of suck.
@jaschprrr1154 Have you even tried the Redshift stem or seatpost? Because this reads like a view based on an assumption. With the right suspension level set( stiffer elastomers) neither is bouncy or flexy. They absorb more of the bumps and chatter from a gravel road or trail, but add only around 100-150grams over a normal seatpost or stem, and require next to nothing in maintenance. I run both with 45mm Terenno Dry's the smoothness of the ride is noticeably improved, without affecting how the bike handles.
@@siy01 First of all I want to mention that I like the redshift stem and seatpost. I think they are consumer friendly options and dont make everything more complicated like headset suspension systems etc. I personally just dont use the redshift items, because I use my gravelbike as an allrounder with two wheelsets. When im in the forest on big chunky gravel roads I would sometimes like an extra bit of suspension. But on my roadrides I really dont want my stem to flex while riding. Most of the times I anyways do the rough gravel with my mountainbike and mixed terrain/road rides with my gravelbike. For me thats the best solution.
Coming from years of riding rigid mountain bikes, I think of RedShift or any Cane Creek mods, as a way to use a gravel bike on the fringes of a fat tire mountain bike. Sure my hands would get beat up leaning on my hoods on a chunky descent and my back gets jarred on a rough trail but I’m not opposed to run 700x45 or perhaps try 29x2.2” tires. I already use Cushcore gravel and just started using Tannus lite inserts. Personally I think it’s a balance between a slower rolling tire combo or some purpose built components or frame design that makes it easier for whatever trails you spend most of your time riding.
The Garmin 1050 (and I believe x40 series) also supports the press & hold options for SRAM Red thumb buttons as well, giving you a total of 6 mapping options. No idea about Wahoo.
ATTENTION: Most of all, make sure you know how much servcing these suspension systems require and if you're willing and able to do that. I got a BMC teamelite with mtt travel, the mtt needs a lot of servicing that only a bmc shop can do. And they want money! Parts are also hard to get. Sadly, the frame now is buried in my basement. There should be a huge sticker on the frame announcing the servicing requirements when you purchase the bike. Well there wasn't and the bmc dealer didn't tell me neither. Alas, the bike was a waste of money.
Bar moving is a common and scary issue I have with my URS 01 23. Only had it with the Easton handlebar. With the ENVE SES no issues. Carbon paste is the solution. Hope they changed the bolts from the steam that were facing the bike , very difficult and annoying to torque.
Also should be noted you can get a suspension stem from Vecnum that does not cause the handlebars to tilt down during load. A bit more expensive than Redshift, but way less than a 12k$ bike or a suspension fork. I own both the Vecnum and a Rockshox Rudy suspension fork and I prefer the suspension fork though. BMC putting Redshift on their 12k$ bike instead of a Vecnum does not reflect well on them, tbh.
As an avid BMC fan, I can honestly say....BMC seems to only be good at making things that go fast. Kaius, Teammachine R, Speedmachine. Everything else typically feels like it got the short end of the R&D stick.
What does it mean that the Zipp wheels have "ankling"? Why does the ebike's battery have any relationship to shifting? Doesn't the drivetrain use the regular SRAM batteries?
So how far up the 4k climb did you get before the battery gave out? Also curious what setting the other guy was using that allowed him to get to the top. Recently did a 4k climb 30 mile ride and that’s probably max for me in a day.
Are they still sticking with pressfit? I've heard one of mechs in my bike shop complaining about it, and I also don't want to sweat about BB when having to do service by myself. Even the Cannondale went to BSA68... For that reason, only the ebike seems noteworthy because it has motor bracket instead. Interesting headshock-like suspension, but how good is the serviceability with that one? Specialized is selling parts for their futureshock online but not aure how bmc does.
Pressfit is better as long as you can keep the quality control in check on manufacturing and have a mechanic that knows what they are doing. Or better yet, become your own mechanic and put the money saved into an enduro stainless bottom bracket with stainless bearings. No matter what bottom bracket system you have there should be good stainless bearings from enduro which come with a lifetime warranty as long as they are serviced once a year. You can probably even swap just the bearings for $35 plush shipping. You can buy ceramic stainless too, but thats expensive... But ya everything I've been seeing says pressfit is better. The reason the industry changed is because manufacturers were having dificulty manufacturing to the required tolerances, and not all mechanics were adept at fixing a carbon bottom bracket. So manufacturers began fitting a threaded hub body into the frame during the manufacturing process to alleviate the situation completley. Some brands have remained faithful to press fit as they can keep their quality control high enough to create good pressfit models. Also most press fit bottom brackets are now threaded, or one piece. Which both solve many issues.
This is the first I’ve seen a wired AXS derailleur. I’d like to do this for my indoor trainer bike. I haven’t been able to find any links or discussion on this. Anyone have any pointers?
That stem bobbing like that would be be an irritation for me. I had a Roubaix with the first generation future shock and bob was barely noticeable. I think the redshift stem would be a no go for me. It’s gimmicky! I looked at the Cane Creek suspension fork at Steamboat. It’s very interesting as a front suspension solution for gravel. It is a bit pricey. A bike company that specs that fork on their thigh end bikes may be on to something. Does talking to the derailleur help? 😂
I hear the function of using the new buttons on the Red shifters to control my computer but for me I never touch my computer during a ride. I start it and stop it at the end of the ride that's it.
funny how there race aero fork have more clearance than there gravelbikes XD Thy have seen what type of mud there can be and still went to narrow on the back end
Why don't these companies just take the suspension setup from a XC bike and give it gravel geo? Like all these proprietary compromised suspensions are getting pretty lame.
$12,000 !!!!! The cycling industry are stuck in their ways..a top end bike should cost no more than a 1/3 of that. The mark ups are insane. No justification for it other than greed or incompetence. People should not accept this pricing and they definately should not pay it.
Oh go away. Noone is making you buy it. Also, what's wrong with greed? Businesses are there literally to make money, which means making the most out of what they are selling.
I have a redshift stem. Love it. You notice it for the first 5 minutes of riding moving if you were on a different fixed stem. But it smooths out the ride and reduces hand fatigue. Good product if it setup correctly, which includes adjusting the bar angle in relation to the stem flex. Nice review!
Ben's videos are awesome! Hey bike companies - Nobody I know wants to spend a big chunk of change on a gravel bike that won't clear 50mm tires without some room to spare. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot.
I've got the previous gen URS and I'm very pleased with it even though it's not as unrestricted as I would have hoped ,it's a great ride when I fancy a change from my Grail
That mud is giving me Unbound 2023 flashbacks! 😎
That’s what so many reviewers don’t mention (not Ben of course!)
Red Shift tilts the bars forward.
A Future Shock also keeps the bars level.
Parallelogram...but no one wants the weight.
@@cup_and_cone i think the lightest option is the Vecnum Freequence, weight is close to Redshift stem
I like my Redshift stem. I run it with a stiffer than recommend elastomer combo so that it damps vibration and smoothes out the sharpest hits without bobbing under normal power. The only time I notice any bobbing is out of the saddle on the steepest hills.
You're probably more sensitive and attuned than me, though 😆
Mine's setup as per their spec and I really have to push down on the bars to notice any bobbing when out of the saddle, in normal operation I can't tell it's there... until I hit that bump!
I have a basic 1st gen BMC urs, never had much chance to ride on extreme gravel/mud but the mtt is great for rough roads & pot holes, been loving it despite it’s shortfalls but keen to put on a red shift stem one day. Although I need to find tougher gravel routes test its full potential, I can positively say I still love that thing, comfort is good for amateur riders on regular gravel routes & rough roads.
Love the channel. Love your perspective. And gotta love a fellow Ben.
Not sure why the past couple videos have only had audio in one ear with the actions shots. Throws me for a loop.
Keep up the amazing work!
Thank you. And yeah, the DJI Action Cam audio is funky. Not sure how to fix it but I will keep trying. Thank you for calling attention to it. ✌️
Thanks!
Thanks very much!
Hey buddy. Gave up on getting a felt carbon breed. Just couldnt make it happen. Got a trek checkpoint sl5. Nice bike. Took all the gobns off of it and dropped 1lb. Slapped my slr2 rims on it and its FIRE! T47 pairs well with grx. HAVE BIKE, WILL TRAVEL!!!!!🚴♂️🏋♀️👍
Ben, try a Vecnum stem sometime. Parallelogram design eliminates the rotation sensation. Ugly? Sort of. Helpful? Definitely!
I stacked a Vecnum stem on my Diverge with Future Shock 2.0. Rode Unbound with this on 47cm Pathfinder tires. It's a great setup for bombing down chunky terrain.
Making the manufacturer "walk the talk"......enjoyable - THX!
For roads/trailes like those three are bikes called MTBs, especially XC. And the problem dissapears.😊
Yeah. Throw some narrow tires and drop bars on a good XC bike (maybe a different stem too), and you have a decent “gravel” bike. Maybe use something with a double chainring and derailleur up front for some extra top end gear.
When I raced XC in Alaska during the early 90s, some of our races were essentially gravel races, and there’s no way I would ride a gravel bike on those roads. The washboard was BRUTAL; hit that stuff and all the momentum and speed immediately went away. It was worse than quicksand. Sometimes an actual mountain bike makes more sense.
You don‘t need an MTB for easy singletrack and a gravel bike is way more fun on asphalt. Riding on asphalt feels like a waste of time on an MTB in comparison.
@@teqai I don't think the shots and the whole clip topic is focused on fun on asphalt. It is related to adding comfort/amortization to gravel bike, that gets it very close to light MTB.
@@maciejbrozek4666 Same goes for smooth gravel. As soon as aero becomes important, the gravelbike will outdo the MTB. Those bikes have different purposes.
Thanks, Ben and Zippy McGee! And nice to see another off-road offering, tho' URS doesn't do much for me as a name. But it does bring to mind Urgent, that'd be a cool name, especially for Zippy. 😀
@12:29…when obsessing over the 0.02% difference in tire rolling resistance really pays off!!!
I thought the RedShift stem's movement would bother me but I don't even notice it and love the simplicity vs the other suspension gizmos.
Contrary to you (and most?) I ride my e-gravel bikes trying to use the LEAST amount of motor/battery assist rather than the most so the "range anxiety" so many of you fret over isn't there for me. On most of my rides the ""range" indicator actually goes UP, not down! Does BMC market theirs as some sort of e-MX machine that you have to pedal vs a bicycle with e-assist for when things get too steep or you get too tired? That's what mine are for: don't worry, just get out there and RIDE with a battery/motor that'll save the day if you choose a ride too steep or too long. TBH until the road tilts up more than a little bit I don't even notice the extra weight...and when/if I do on a climb I just hit the assist button and it's gone! I will admit to rarely riding on the type of trails your video showed..IMHO MTB would be a better choice on the ride you took!
Have you ever changed out the elastomers on Redshift stems? You might like the trade off better with a stiffer combo. I was worried about not liking the pivot and set mine up (too) hard at first. No twist bob. Also not much softening. Took it a bit softer and love it.
Been riding the Redshift since Dirty Kanza in 2019. Love it....wouldnt change it at all... Ben, you sound overly picky...its gravel...your hands should be moving around anyway....
Looks like BMC needs to go back to the drawing board.
They had to sell their drawing board to pay the bills.
I do see gravel bikes trending toward the soft tail or elastomer rear to help with the chatter, like this BMC. But for the price I would opt for something you could custom build, like the LightCarbon Gravel Frameset with micro supsension system for better bang for buck!
The rear MTT is stated by BMC as beng 10mm of cush. Watching the video gave me the impression that it is 20mm.
I imagine the rear MTT design restricts the ultimate max tyre clearance, as you commented with your calves occasionally rubbing the MTT's 'shoulder' corners.
Great review, agree on the redshift , prefer the way Giant do their suspension, the strap touching my leg would bug the hell out of me , hopefully you can remove?
I’d like the suspension fork on a regular non E bike. Very Canondale 90s Headshock MTB.
You can buy it seperately to fit to other bikes, made by HiRide
great video as always Ben. What's your view on the mullet setup with the MTB casette for gravel bikes ?
I just dont get complicated suspension systems in Gravelbikes. If 47mm of tire clearance with low tire pressure arent enough get yourself a Rockshox Rudy. For every more technical terrain I will always prefer a Mountainbike. All of these suspension systems are in my opinion more of a marketing move of the big brands than really helping the end consumer. Especially because they are a true nightmare to work on.
Not everybody want to have big fat tires with low pressure.
@@kubagornowicz I also dont want to ride big fat tires with low pressure all the time. But if i want to ride fast tires with high pressure, i dont want a flexing stem or seatstays. In that case I want a stiff and fast bike. What i want to say: I am not a big fan of these compromises and these very specific "solutions" which are just practical for one specific situation and in all the other situations they kind of suck.
@jaschprrr1154 Have you even tried the Redshift stem or seatpost? Because this reads like a view based on an assumption. With the right suspension level set( stiffer elastomers) neither is bouncy or flexy. They absorb more of the bumps and chatter from a gravel road or trail, but add only around 100-150grams over a normal seatpost or stem, and require next to nothing in maintenance. I run both with 45mm Terenno Dry's the smoothness of the ride is noticeably improved, without affecting how the bike handles.
@@siy01 First of all I want to mention that I like the redshift stem and seatpost. I think they are consumer friendly options and dont make everything more complicated like headset suspension systems etc.
I personally just dont use the redshift items, because I use my gravelbike as an allrounder with two wheelsets. When im in the forest on big chunky gravel roads I would sometimes like an extra bit of suspension. But on my roadrides I really dont want my stem to flex while riding. Most of the times I anyways do the rough gravel with my mountainbike and mixed terrain/road rides with my gravelbike. For me thats the best solution.
Coming from years of riding rigid mountain bikes, I think of RedShift or any Cane Creek mods, as a way to use a gravel bike on the fringes of a fat tire mountain bike. Sure my hands would get beat up leaning on my hoods on a chunky descent and my back gets jarred on a rough trail but I’m not opposed to run 700x45 or perhaps try 29x2.2” tires. I already use Cushcore gravel and just started using Tannus lite inserts. Personally I think it’s a balance between a slower rolling tire combo or some purpose built components or frame design that makes it easier for whatever trails you spend most of your time riding.
The Garmin 1050 (and I believe x40 series) also supports the press & hold options for SRAM Red thumb buttons as well, giving you a total of 6 mapping options. No idea about Wahoo.
Can't believe someone looked at this thing and said "ok lets release it"
A saddle bag won‘t fit on a wireless Reverb dropper post, so it‘s nice to have extra spots to store stuff.
ATTENTION: Most of all, make sure you know how much servcing these suspension systems require and if you're willing and able to do that. I got a BMC teamelite with mtt travel, the mtt needs a lot of servicing that only a bmc shop can do. And they want money! Parts are also hard to get. Sadly, the frame now is buried in my basement. There should be a huge sticker on the frame announcing the servicing requirements when you purchase the bike. Well there wasn't and the bmc dealer didn't tell me neither. Alas, the bike was a waste of money.
Bar moving is a common and scary issue I have with my URS 01 23. Only had it with the Easton handlebar. With the ENVE SES no issues. Carbon paste is the solution. Hope they changed the bolts from the steam that were facing the bike , very difficult and annoying to torque.
Can we get a review for the new BMC Roadmachine? Im trying to order one but running into issues... I might be headed towards a Specialized Roubaix?
Also should be noted you can get a suspension stem from Vecnum that does not cause the handlebars to tilt down during load. A bit more expensive than Redshift, but way less than a 12k$ bike or a suspension fork. I own both the Vecnum and a Rockshox Rudy suspension fork and I prefer the suspension fork though.
BMC putting Redshift on their 12k$ bike instead of a Vecnum does not reflect well on them, tbh.
As an avid BMC fan, I can honestly say....BMC seems to only be good at making things that go fast. Kaius, Teammachine R, Speedmachine. Everything else typically feels like it got the short end of the R&D stick.
@Ben, Was that the Sleeping Giant loop? If so, never seen it muddy.
Solid review but never been a BMC fan... I'm more interested in hearing about your "new" bike for SBT GRVL 😂
The amount of warranties we did as a BMC dealer 10+ years ago were what kept me away.
@@cup_and_coneLuescher Tecnic did some cut ups of them a few years ago, and that didn't fill me with confidence
By the way, which ones wooble? The downtube storage you mentioned
What does it mean that the Zipp wheels have "ankling"? Why does the ebike's battery have any relationship to shifting? Doesn't the drivetrain use the regular SRAM batteries?
3800 for a bike with apex must be a joke.
It's like the $4-5k SX/NX MTB's...
So how far up the 4k climb did you get before the battery gave out? Also curious what setting the other guy was using that allowed him to get to the top. Recently did a 4k climb 30 mile ride and that’s probably max for me in a day.
Do yo see a future where yo might get to try out the manual LT?
Are they still sticking with pressfit? I've heard one of mechs in my bike shop complaining about it, and I also don't want to sweat about BB when having to do service by myself. Even the Cannondale went to BSA68...
For that reason, only the ebike seems noteworthy because it has motor bracket instead.
Interesting headshock-like suspension, but how good is the serviceability with that one? Specialized is selling parts for their futureshock online but not aure how bmc does.
Pressfit is better as long as you can keep the quality control in check on manufacturing and have a mechanic that knows what they are doing. Or better yet, become your own mechanic and put the money saved into an enduro stainless bottom bracket with stainless bearings.
No matter what bottom bracket system you have there should be good stainless bearings from enduro which come with a lifetime warranty as long as they are serviced once a year. You can probably even swap just the bearings for $35 plush shipping. You can buy ceramic stainless too, but thats expensive...
But ya everything I've been seeing says pressfit is better. The reason the industry changed is because manufacturers were having dificulty manufacturing to the required tolerances, and not all mechanics were adept at fixing a carbon bottom bracket. So manufacturers began fitting a threaded hub body into the frame during the manufacturing process to alleviate the situation completley. Some brands have remained faithful to press fit as they can keep their quality control high enough to create good pressfit models.
Also most press fit bottom brackets are now threaded, or one piece. Which both solve many issues.
Love that 90’s Tech!
that's some mud!!!!
This is the first I’ve seen a wired AXS derailleur. I’d like to do this for my indoor trainer bike. I haven’t been able to find any links or discussion on this. Anyone have any pointers?
Search for „AXS extension cord“. Be prepared to cry when you see the price…
I’m going to stick with my Topstone.
18:34 Are you using the words ‘ebike’ and ‘pedelec’ correctly?
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Bicycle Money Catcher these Swiss- Urs…
how does it feel riding 30 pound bike?
like 1970ies haha just much much more expensive
and 2o mil is same as rigid just more expensive
That stem bobbing like that would be be an irritation for me. I had a Roubaix with the first generation future shock and bob was barely noticeable. I think the redshift stem would be a no go for me. It’s gimmicky! I looked at the Cane Creek suspension fork at Steamboat. It’s very interesting as a front suspension solution for gravel. It is a bit pricey. A bike company that specs that fork on their thigh end bikes may be on to something. Does talking to the derailleur help? 😂
Actually if the elastomers are setup correctly the bobbing is not really noticeable.
I hear the function of using the new buttons on the Red shifters to control my computer but for me I never touch my computer during a ride. I start it and stop it at the end of the ride that's it.
funny how there race aero fork have more clearance than there gravelbikes XD Thy have seen what type of mud there can be and still went to narrow on the back end
Just flash foward and put drop bars on a trail bike..
I’ll admit this new e-bike version appeals to me….for my gf, so she is more comfortable to join me on state forest adventures!
It was an least a fun review lol
20mm of travel is basically same as running low tire pressure, too much hassle for nothing, if you really need that travel get a fs mountain bike.
Why don't these companies just take the suspension setup from a XC bike and give it gravel geo? Like all these proprietary compromised suspensions are getting pretty lame.
Bmc charging these prices and can't get basics down. Never buying this brand.. You shouldn't either.
Still nowhere near enough tire clearance.
$12,000 !!!!!
The cycling industry are stuck in their ways..a top end bike should cost no more than a 1/3 of that. The mark ups are insane.
No justification for it other than greed or incompetence.
People should not accept this pricing and they definately should not pay it.
Oh go away. Noone is making you buy it.
Also, what's wrong with greed? Businesses are there literally to make money, which means making the most out of what they are selling.
A 12 thousand dollar bike and the handlebars won't even stay put.. Geez....
90’s MtB discoveries again….
Price is laughable
Just buy a mountain bike and stop p!ssing around
Ben- u takin money for bike reviews? 🤣
what you gonna do about it baldie
@@notpablo8369 I'm an NW1 with a shaved dome home slice ..Get cha game up!
again, a super boutique’y luxo brand release with limited tire clearance…… wompwomp.
the tech is cool.