Learning about the most atrocious murder cases that have actually happened is a real despair code. I have found some that I will never mentally recover from learning about.
The concept of a despair code is just a depressing version of monty pythons "world's funniest joke" sketch where anyone who hears the code dies of laughter.
For some reason this makes me think of the myth of the "Brown note", a note that, as soon as you hear it, makes you shit your pants. It doesn't exist either, and is a lot funnier to think about than this, but it also follows the same idea that you can override a person's agency and make them act a certain way just by giving the right "input", the right words, the right image, the right sound.
Reminds me of a short story by David Langford, "Different kinds of darkness", where some mathematician comes up with an image that kind of short circuits the brain, causing pain, madness or even death. Terrorists use them to kill, and police use them for crowd control, while others are trying to come up with ways to protect against this sort of thing. It's an interesting notion, an image that drives people mad... Never seen anything come close, though.
Different Kinds of Darkness was the collection book I believe, the story you're talking about it's called BLIT (Berryman Logical Image Technique). This shit fucked me up after reading, I could never see or hear the word "Parrot" the same way again, lmao
@@vitlaska Yeah that is indeed the collection, but also the title of the last installment of the shorts, I believe (the first one being BLIT). The last one is the one I read as a kid in some anthology, and it freaked me out as well :)
@@Comraid_Doge The classic fractal "memetic kill agent" (I don't remember what page it was "guarding", I think the SCP-001 page) is actually a reference to that book.
Kinda reminds me of Monty Python's episode "The Funniest Joke In The World" about a joke so funny it cause anyone who reads it die out of laughter, Instead of internal pain it's internal pleasure except you're suffering from it
I think the idea of dying by looking at something may have originated with Moses's meeting with God atop Mount Sinai, where he had to avert his gaze from God, else Gods sheer holiness and power would kill him instantly. Gods power was so strong in fact that when Moses returned from the Mountain it said that his face would glow, and Moses had to wear a veil for the rest of his life.
Goes back before then - plenty of mythologies have things that'll kill you/steal your soul and leave your body empty if you look at them, so I reckon it's a pretty basic archetype.
I grew up witnessing the horrors that was 90's Detroit, Michigan. I thought I understood what horrors and despair looked like until I moved to Los Angeles in 2019. The real life nightmares I've witnessed in this hellscape is on another level. No shit post on 4chan or painting can hurt me anymore. This is a pretty good video and I can't wait until this channel blows up soon.
Yeah, LA was tolerably sketchy when I lived there as a little kid but now it makes underground Atlanta look like a walk in the park. Don't even get me started on SF. I've lived in Ecatepec Mexico and almost can't differentiate between the two. Ecatepec is pretty much like a Favela map on the original MW2
@@kevincherian8190 The scary part is a certain percentage of law enforcement are told not to enforce a number of laws and investigations. The zero bail policy means suspects in certain crimes will either be cited or booked, then released for $0 under the agreement they show up to their day in court. So you can pretty much steal a car, steal $900 worth of products from a retail store, and hit-and-runs without much consequences. Home break in's, arson, and violent attacks on the general public is on the rise, but if you are homeless you pretty much get off the hook because you can't make the state money.
This. I like to think that there are many, many lives that, if looked at as a movie, or moving image, or if we could make an image of one or many events in their lives ... Imagine a culture that wore their histories as tattoos on their skin, and in death their skin is preserved on a wall in a library that has your whole tribes history there ... Hanging in human leather ... Somewhere in there is a nightmare that everyone could learn from. And enough despair to drive others mad ...
Another one of these is the clown glider image. watching wendigoon's iceberg video at 2am had me shook after i saw that and learned about despair codes for the first time.
What if the despair code was completely innocuous, like a naturally occurring pattern that causes a glitch in the firing of some neurons which doesn't manifest as a perceptible mental shift. Like you could see it from the corner of your eye at the age if five and it would still lead to you offing yourself years later.
I've been thinking about this concept ever since seeing the music video for Radiohead's "Just", where, once a piece of information is revealed, those who know about it find no reason to go on and symbolically lie down in surrender. I really wonder what those words could be or if they could ever be.
As someone who grew up spending my summers at the morgue... and hanging around the forensics lab.... I've seen more dismembered and rotting little kids than I can remember. Standing next to the autopsy table before I was a teenager.... Seeing that stuff for years tears people apart. Tears whole families apart. I don't understand how there's not more of a crisis of mental health with people in that profession.
You might really enjoy Genocidal Organ by Project Itoh. It's the same concept as this but with the idea of mass murder being a programmed evolutionary mechanism to combat resource scarcity that a terrorist figures out how to involuntarily hard-trigger using a subtly-coded language model. Got an anime movie that's pretty ok too.
I'm fascinated by this trope, not because it feels good to be a system, that to me is awful. But because it's another frontier to be conquered by Man. I wanna look into the Torment nexus and prevail. Per Aspera ad Astra.
Yeah you hit that explanation right in the head. There's just something otherworldly and mysterious and a bit adventurous (I think) to myths like these.
The despair code noise just sounds like that really drawn out montage at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey, I've seen that movie in a cinema and I kind of wanted to kms but more out of boredom than insanity
Ive got a somewhat real life semi working example of a despair code (excuse the kinda jokey language, its a bit of a coping mechanism with it) in combination with the right kind of beliefs "past life readers" utterly one shot people Ive seen this exact scenario play out multiple times now -relatively normal person suffering through a small amount of trauma, but the kind of trauma they would grow out of or work their way through in some way. (I dont think this is needed its just the way ive seen it play out) -That person to a religion OR belief with some kind of idea of past lives (this removes the scepticism that's protecting them) -This person finds some kind of solace or acceptance in the small trauma via this religion and becomes at peace with themselves again or at least on the road to recovery (this puts them at ease for the next part) -This person then goes to a past life reader, who tells them all this fucked up shit that happened in their previous lives that "explains" there struggles in this life, it usually involves things like karma so the people who did this are connected to them still -They see this past lives as an extension of their current one and the things that supposedly happened as being very real, they then ruminate on them, bringing them more and more to the front of their mind, multiple entire lives of trauma that never happened to them, now did. -This essentially gives them PTSD over things that never happened, and destroys them from within. Now personal story time of watching this happen GF is your standard early 20's girl, over all pretty happy. She gets into a depression spiral, constantly overthinking things that happened and generic zoomer stuff like nihilism and the realisation that nothing's permanent (we've all been thru it) She finds Buddhism and gets really into it, and it brings her out of that depression and she's finally happy and at peace with herself again (one of the best things that's ever happened to her and I was so glad it helped) (NOTE: I told her not to go, I told her I saw this play out before with my friend, I told her that no past life reader will tell you that your past life was "yea, standard, you lived like 99% of the population and died at the ripe old age of 65 from malaria" because thats boring and people wont believe it because it doesnt make them special) She goes to speak to a past life reader regardless "because this one is real", who tells her about her ultra traumatic past lives, how a great general who is now her boyfriend (me) burst into her home and slaughtered all of her family, how her mother only cares about her because she owes her karma from a past life, how her father doesn't care about her truly because his only purpose was to provide sperm for her inception, but how the new friend shes known for 1 week was her sister in a previous life and that they were destined to meet again. And because of her deep belief that past lives are real, and this woman is speaking the truth, it fucked her up, in the span of 25 mins this woman practically killed every single person who loves her, and instilled her with PTSD from events that never happened. I watched this girl leave one morning with a smile on her face, and come back an hour later with deep set trauma, and trust issues that she has still not recovered from, and a depression 10x worse than what it was before, its. broken her on the inside If that's not a despair code, I dont know what is.
Loving these regular uploads. Just discovered you this week and Im already struggling with a crippling Art Chad addiction! Does anyone know of any helpline?
He’s just a good UA-camr, not something to spend day or week throwing your whole cognition or life energy into it. Plenty of also compelling UA-camrs who also put out great thought provoking content
A problem with your despair code idea is that it ironically discourages suicide. The intent of your code was to convince people that everything they've done or will ever do is predetermined since the beginning of the universe. This would theoretically make them want to kill themselves because nothing they'll ever do in life matters and they're all just cogs following a predetermined motion in the universal machine. But the problem with this is that, by it's own logic, killing yourself wouldn't matter either. If you kill yourself, then you were always destined to do so. If you don't kill yourself, then you were always destined to not do so. You didn't achieve anything. You didn't defy fate. You're still on the proverbial wheel regardless of whether you live or die. So why even bother?
I didn't know Momo was supposed to make you go crazy and/or off yourself; people in my elementary school (like fifth grade) just liked to show it to each other because it was vaguely creepy and made for a pretty good jumpscare if you did it right.
I'm a small content creator and, as one gen z to another, your channel seems very promising. I've only seen your video on the "incel war bands of africa," and while at first I was taken aback, it seems that you are very willing to deal with talking about things with a lack of precision first, IE you don't make grand declarative statements, but you do take time to explain ideas, and you make sure to largely take the intelligence of your audience seriously. This is largely full of flattery, but overall, you got something going for you, and you should keep it up
Two things to make you bulletproof ™ against any such experiences: 1. Vipassana 2. Having multiple sufficiently BAD trips on psychedelics and making it back to tell the tale
Despair code? More like Unfulfilled Desire code... Masthead "Atalanta", Technical Marine Museum of La Specia, found by "La Veloce" at sea caused 2 suicides. One of a cleaner who got obsessed with the statue he was cleaning daily, jumped at sea in early 20th century. Another was a German military officer who transferred Atalanta to his apartment and one day left a suicide note that he could not live without her, and shot himself in the head. Similar story in antiquity when the Cypriot sculptor Pygmalion "took the red pill" and built a beautiful statue, "Galatea" (in later sources), because he couldn't stand the women of his time practicing prostitution. He fell in love with the statue he built. Then he made offerings to Aphrodite and requested to bring the statue of Galatea to life, which she did!
Reminds of the song "Gloomy Sunday", also known as the "Hungarian Suicide Song.", which was published in 1933. There were also urban legends about suicides, that were traced back to this very song. The composer also killed himself.
5:26 your despair code doesn't work for me because determinism also means you can't be held responsible for any of your actions, and thus there is no good or evil. its downright positive! at least it can be viewed in that way
Have you read the Zahir by Jorge Luis Borges? It's about an image or an object hacking itself into your mind and taking over your thoughts, until your ego dissolves into obsession over the thing. Great short story and really fits this topic.
I had to move out of my apartment for 3mo for a bathroom renovation. I stashed all my stuff in my bedroom, and it was all sitting on the guest bed. I was watching this video, thinking about all sorts of horror toropes, and became concious of the fact that my desk dagger was still on the bed, and I had nothing for self defense. There was a moment of panic when I realized. I went and got it.
How so though? A "despair code" could still theoretically exist in the sense there's an idea which totally damns you, either psychologically or physically or both, its just that exists in the same sense a undiscovered mathematical theorem exists, the basic idea and the principle behind is still 'real', like regardless of if the theory of relativity is discovered or not, the principles behind still exist
@@jordanroberts2029 While a feeling may be all-encompassing in the moment, we ultimately decide how at act based on our emotions. And no emotion, no idea, can last forever; not even one stored in human memory, as humans forget easily.
@@meeb_consumer That's a good point, although I will retort and say that every idea that we have still does, by necessity of keeping us alive, needs to reflect reality in some way. While I will concede on the point of there or not being a despair code and say that in this dialogue, I'm incorrect. My point though is that in asking that question I do want to engage in the challenge of further understanding something like this, not to uproot the statement you made but to further both of our understandings of the things, both in literal and metaphorical terms. I apologize for the very long comment lol its late and I've been thinking for a little too long
@@jordanroberts2029 No, it's fine, thinking is good :) I kinda was going at it with "grrr no I'm right grrr 😡😡😡" mindset and I apologize for that. The Internet is a crazy thing. You're kinda right on the fact that all thoughts at least partially reflect reality though. Even very abstract thoughts "mutated" from grounded ones. But I feel like in order for there to be the invocation and refeeling of a despair code that connection to reality must be consciously recognized and thought upon to reach the idea of a despair code, so an escape through fantasy is possible. However, this could lead to a coping mechanism of living almost exclusively in a fantasy, which is called being insane, so in that way I guess it could work.
@@meeb_consumer That's a good point. What your saying reminds me of some of my readings of Arthur Schopenhauer (who if you want a good explanation of his philosophy, cut through the bullshit and look up an ai explanation in plain english) where he talks about how the world is really will and representation, IE that our construction of the world is something we create largely subconsciously and outside of our control, and that beneath that perception the world is actually in a constant state of becoming things better than itself before. In other words, it evolution put poetically. But overall, the conclusions he makes are simultaneously unique and nothing more than a philosophic exposition on ideas already espoused in religion. My overall point with this is that when I challenged your notion, it was moreso that it (I am sorry for putting it in english such as thing) the statement seemed obvious from a position of pure reason, but not without it. In other words, I wouldn't say your going into something like with a negative mindset as you put it, but that it did seem to lack philosophic clarity, which I personally think is very important Again, I'm a big fat nerd for this sort of stuff 🤣so don't take me too seriously on these statements
Humans have been thinking of things that could one shot us since at least ancient Greece. I'd like to think these ideas started with a 14 year old boy going, "aaaaah dude, what if..."
. I know someone. He was talking about oneness with some friends. He suddenly stood up from his chair. He went to the window and jumped. Noone could have stopped him. 5 sec are not enough time to react for them. being told something or reading are the best vehicle. Words are much more immaculate in twisting and radicalizing thoughts and emotion into sudden action
now u got me thinking... we could hypothetically tailor a cognitohazard/despair code for a specific person for it to be very effective. maybe even a demographic of people all at once. like idk but maybe smth that probes at their 'issues'? u can be creative and make them latch to the piece of media by drawing them in and inciting odd thought patterns as a result of them trying to interpret the media. happened to me once... took me probably around 2 months to process/rationalize it.. and the 'thing' i watched im almost fully positive that it wasnt meant to do that. im not completely sure cuz the nature/general genre of what i was seeing doesnt try to pull stuff like this. id rather anyone not know what it was but u may try to guess it
Sounds like this could be made by harvesting personal data and making a mission driven AI that sends people into ever specific rabbithole loops and "random" digital occurences tailored and delivered at the right moment. Wouldn't work on everyone but use another AI-driven filtering tool to sift for depressed/psychotic people by screening their social media posts... This is a black mirror episode waiting to be launched as an irl surprise workshop larp that nobody consented to join
I'm immune to all that, the shit iv seen in my dreams are serious fkd nothing in real life could creep me out like that, but for some reason the underside of giant boats ew. That's the only thing that creeps me out
I could see you writing a lil summin summin about how a tyrannical philosopher king takes psychedelics and decides to give his people freedom but they all commit suicide cuz they can’t bear the weight of their existence haha
There’s a fun short in the alter channel that deals with this called “O.I.” Where a guy has an original idea but he’s the only one immune to it everyone he tells the idea well…. Doesn’t end well for them.
This sounds like something ai could do. Feed it 'cant unsee' images and ask it to distill these into a single conceptual image. Then build it back up by stressing "make it even more unseeable"
I found your attempt at replicating a despair code remarkably comforting. I’m no nihilist, I’m just happy with where my life is (after many, many years of not feeling that way).
I think the truth is that these are more cases of mass-hysteria that build up around something creepy rather than the creepy thing itself causing any direct harm.
the "despair code" reminds me of a short story by the author ted chiang (denis villeneuve's "arrival" is based on another of his stories) about a man who is rescued from an icy lake and given experimental drugs to try to undo the severe brain damage he experiences as a result of prolonged hypoxia. he recovers from his coma only to find he has undergone unrelenting exponential brain development as an unintended consequence of these little understood new drugs. little does he know, he's not the only person on the planet who has experienced this side effect...
In my youth, an anime called Cat Soup circulated around my middle school. Many people were afraid to watch it as it was understood that the creator ended their life and it was somehow haunted and any viewer would arrive at the same fate. Was this a thing in any other school?
I think this was referenced in DC comics. The villain Darkseid is looking for something called the Anti-Life Equation, and weaponize it against the universe.
There is a this thing with finding familiar emotions comforting the 10s bit with the photos made me at ease like I was getting stoned and watching hereditary for the umpteenth time.
Virgin "free will doesn't exist" vs Chad "It feels like I have it therefore I do" Literally just beleiving in free will make your life better so just do beleive. Some things do not need to be overthought.
I think this idea of the despair code is something symbolical for some event or occurrence that changes your life or perception of the world forever, which ofc is a very real thing. Either that or I've listened to to much Jordan Peterson and see symbolism everywhere now.
Please stop listening to Jordan Peterson. He’s an immature manchild who knows absolutely nothing. Your philosophical horizons will expand so much if you stop listening to the alt-right dirtbags who claim to be “philosophers”.
Maybe, but I don’t think we all fear the same thing so there can’t be a universal despair code as some people are afraid of death and some aren’t, same with everything, I don’t think there’s one thing everyone is traumatised by to such a point they kill themselves because we all have different limits and different pasts and fears and etc, so you’re probably right in a realistic way because it sounds very Manchurian candidate from the 1960’s to suggest that’s a real possibility.
People think I'm dumb when I say the pod challenge never existed. You said it right. It was a dumb meme that got picked up by the news because boomers are boomers.
Could the image be a performance of a killing? For example people who saw a tragedy (car driving into a group of kids for example) need trauma support. What if you would view the tragedy as some sort of live improvised performance art? Would that count?
you considered making a video about Yukio Mishima? theres a very good movie about his life and work too called 'mishima: a life in four chapters'. I'll reserve my judgment about him, id like to see your coverage of him. great work tho man, also been listening to the Horseshoe cast, very neat stuff
i recall reading an interview with David Cronenberg re: the film Videodrome. in it he said that a lot of the inspiration for the film came from an anxiety he had as a child surfing OTA television signals after his local stations were off the air. he had been afraid that he might see something unexpected and depraved late into the night, something that might permanently damage him somehow. i think it's interesting that a lot of stories that explore this have a base assumption about whether the corrupting influence of the dangerous work is textual and explicit, textual and "subliminal" (often as a commentary on the medium rather than the work) or (and this generally makes for a less interesting narrative as you seem to agree) totally divorced from the work and the medium - like a ghost living in a video cassette. i usually find works like this live or die on whether they have something interesting to say in that department. Videodrome gets explicit about this in a way i find refreshing and funny in equal measure. it would be really interesting to dig into the history of this idea. i bet it's a lot older than TV/Internet. and probably a lot older than print.
Were obsessed with the idea because its a quick ending unlock, you're skipping the insignificant sliver of your existence & achieving your true form that will exist for the rest of existence, DEATH. To understand that & mentally reach this point through a natural understanding is the ultimate form of enlightenment. No matter what you do you're already dead, the mind starts to gravitate towards the ultimate void. I frequently wake up in panick attacks knowing no matter what i do the void awaits, calling for me & all of survival is just resistance. REACH ENLIGHTENMENT MY FRIENDS JOIN ME FOR THE ULTIMATE CALLING!
whit this matter, there should be a string of words that could make poeople make anything you want to do, like an npc prompt, bot you would need to be the father of all lies
At the end of the video, it felt like it was going towards a religious tone. "Otherworldly..." that would be spirits! Angels, demons, and God, although God is much more than *just* a spirit.
I was so disappointed that you didn't mention Solar Plexus Clown Gliders. It's on the same conspiracy iceberg chart as the Despair Code. You could argue that it's a haunted image, but Momo is the same thing.
Maybe everyone that's found a _real_ despair code never lived to tell the tale, because... well... you know...
Maybe te real despai code were the friends we made along the way
Right, like a memetic virus that was too deadly to spread.
Learning about the most atrocious murder cases that have actually happened is a real despair code. I have found some that I will never mentally recover from learning about.
@@XohjaiSbarkeater kinda funny how a virus' lethality also could hinder its spread.
Real despair code is friends we made along the way
I really appreciate this man's don't kill yourself message at the end of every video. Bro knows our generation is suicidal asf 😭
The sadder part is that some do end up doing it - while the more wicked ones drags others too.
The concept of a despair code is just a depressing version of monty pythons "world's funniest joke" sketch where anyone who hears the code dies of laughter.
For some reason this makes me think of the myth of the "Brown note", a note that, as soon as you hear it, makes you shit your pants. It doesn't exist either, and is a lot funnier to think about than this, but it also follows the same idea that you can override a person's agency and make them act a certain way just by giving the right "input", the right words, the right image, the right sound.
Reminds me of a short story by David Langford, "Different kinds of darkness", where some mathematician comes up with an image that kind of short circuits the brain, causing pain, madness or even death. Terrorists use them to kill, and police use them for crowd control, while others are trying to come up with ways to protect against this sort of thing.
It's an interesting notion, an image that drives people mad... Never seen anything come close, though.
Different Kinds of Darkness was the collection book I believe, the story you're talking about it's called BLIT (Berryman Logical Image Technique). This shit fucked me up after reading, I could never see or hear the word "Parrot" the same way again, lmao
@@vitlaska Yeah that is indeed the collection, but also the title of the last installment of the shorts, I believe (the first one being BLIT). The last one is the one I read as a kid in some anthology, and it freaked me out as well :)
The SCP wiki has a bunch of stuff like that, you should check it out
@@Comraid_Doge The classic fractal "memetic kill agent" (I don't remember what page it was "guarding", I think the SCP-001 page) is actually a reference to that book.
Kinda reminds me of Monty Python's episode "The Funniest Joke In The World" about a joke so funny it cause anyone who reads it die out of laughter, Instead of internal pain it's internal pleasure except you're suffering from it
4:30 "Here's a little taste of what he came up with:" *midroll ad*
yeah tbf consumerism does make me wanna kms
He has to to make a living just imagine it doesn’t exist
you dont have adblock/revanced?
@@pekka405 bros never heard of mobile cell devices
@@richardlyman2961 revanced
@@pekka405 it wasnt working
I think the idea of dying by looking at something may have originated with Moses's meeting with God atop Mount Sinai, where he had to avert his gaze from God, else Gods sheer holiness and power would kill him instantly. Gods power was so strong in fact that when Moses returned from the Mountain it said that his face would glow, and Moses had to wear a veil for the rest of his life.
Goes back before then - plenty of mythologies have things that'll kill you/steal your soul and leave your body empty if you look at them, so I reckon it's a pretty basic archetype.
@@williamchamberlain2263 so I guess it all boils down to us searching in some way for the profound and divine.
I grew up witnessing the horrors that was 90's Detroit, Michigan. I thought I understood what horrors and despair looked like until I moved to Los Angeles in 2019. The real life nightmares I've witnessed in this hellscape is on another level. No shit post on 4chan or painting can hurt me anymore. This is a pretty good video and I can't wait until this channel blows up soon.
Yeah, LA was tolerably sketchy when I lived there as a little kid but now it makes underground Atlanta look like a walk in the park.
Don't even get me started on SF. I've lived in Ecatepec Mexico and almost can't differentiate between the two. Ecatepec is pretty much like a Favela map on the original MW2
can anyone explain what exactly are the scary aspects of LA and SF for those of us who haven’t been there?
@@kevincherian8190 The scary part is a certain percentage of law enforcement are told not to enforce a number of laws and investigations. The zero bail policy means suspects in certain crimes will either be cited or booked, then released for $0 under the agreement they show up to their day in court. So you can pretty much steal a car, steal $900 worth of products from a retail store, and hit-and-runs without much consequences. Home break in's, arson, and violent attacks on the general public is on the rise, but if you are homeless you pretty much get off the hook because you can't make the state money.
I wanna say it can't be that bad, but the only experience I've had was through the news
This. I like to think that there are many, many lives that, if looked at as a movie, or moving image, or if we could make an image of one or many events in their lives ...
Imagine a culture that wore their histories as tattoos on their skin, and in death their skin is preserved on a wall in a library that has your whole tribes history there ... Hanging in human leather ...
Somewhere in there is a nightmare that everyone could learn from. And enough despair to drive others mad ...
Another one of these is the clown glider image. watching wendigoon's iceberg video at 2am had me shook after i saw that and learned about despair codes for the first time.
What if the despair code was completely innocuous, like a naturally occurring pattern that causes a glitch in the firing of some neurons which doesn't manifest as a perceptible mental shift. Like you could see it from the corner of your eye at the age if five and it would still lead to you offing yourself years later.
So mental illness.
Like a vampire seeing a pair of lines intersecting at 90°
Evolution wouldn't allow
That's like The Parrot
4:30 There is noise that will literally drive you insane.
Man, me and my permanent Tinnitus had a laugh at that
Have you heard of infrasound?
I just let myself be jump scared at least 15 fucking times
I've been thinking about this concept ever since seeing the music video for Radiohead's "Just", where, once a piece of information is revealed, those who know about it find no reason to go on and symbolically lie down in surrender. I really wonder what those words could be or if they could ever be.
Reminds me of the monty python skit, where they make the funniest joke in the world that if ever read or heard, you will die of laughter
As someone who grew up spending my summers at the morgue... and hanging around the forensics lab.... I've seen more dismembered and rotting little kids than I can remember. Standing next to the autopsy table before I was a teenager....
Seeing that stuff for years tears people apart. Tears whole families apart.
I don't understand how there's not more of a crisis of mental health with people in that profession.
Damn thats awful, could you talk a little on what your thougts are on why that happens?
I feel like The King In Yellow does a good job at playing with this concept
Nah I don’t feel like that.
i just weirdly woke up in some dudes truck
Same
Save it for your diary fool
i woke in a new bugatti
Did you at least get dinner ☕️
You might really enjoy Genocidal Organ by Project Itoh. It's the same concept as this but with the idea of mass murder being a programmed evolutionary mechanism to combat resource scarcity that a terrorist figures out how to involuntarily hard-trigger using a subtly-coded language model. Got an anime movie that's pretty ok too.
I'm fascinated by this trope, not because it feels good to be a system, that to me is awful.
But because it's another frontier to be conquered by Man.
I wanna look into the Torment nexus and prevail. Per Aspera ad Astra.
Yeah you hit that explanation right in the head. There's just something otherworldly and mysterious and a bit adventurous (I think) to myths like these.
The despair code noise just sounds like that really drawn out montage at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey, I've seen that movie in a cinema and I kind of wanted to kms but more out of boredom than insanity
Ive got a somewhat real life semi working example of a despair code
(excuse the kinda jokey language, its a bit of a coping mechanism with it)
in combination with the right kind of beliefs "past life readers" utterly one shot people
Ive seen this exact scenario play out multiple times now
-relatively normal person suffering through a small amount of trauma, but the kind of trauma they would grow out of or work their way through in some way. (I dont think this is needed its just the way ive seen it play out)
-That person to a religion OR belief with some kind of idea of past lives (this removes the scepticism that's protecting them)
-This person finds some kind of solace or acceptance in the small trauma via this religion and becomes at peace with themselves again or at least on the road to recovery (this puts them at ease for the next part)
-This person then goes to a past life reader, who tells them all this fucked up shit that happened in their previous lives that "explains" there struggles in this life, it usually involves things like karma so the people who did this are connected to them still
-They see this past lives as an extension of their current one and the things that supposedly happened as being very real, they then ruminate on them, bringing them more and more to the front of their mind, multiple entire lives of trauma that never happened to them, now did.
-This essentially gives them PTSD over things that never happened, and destroys them from within.
Now personal story time of watching this happen
GF is your standard early 20's girl, over all pretty happy.
She gets into a depression spiral, constantly overthinking things that happened and generic zoomer stuff like nihilism and the realisation that nothing's permanent (we've all been thru it)
She finds Buddhism and gets really into it, and it brings her out of that depression and she's finally happy and at peace with herself again (one of the best things that's ever happened to her and I was so glad it helped)
(NOTE: I told her not to go, I told her I saw this play out before with my friend, I told her that no past life reader will tell you that your past life was "yea, standard, you lived like 99% of the population and died at the ripe old age of 65 from malaria" because thats boring and people wont believe it because it doesnt make them special)
She goes to speak to a past life reader regardless "because this one is real", who tells her about her ultra traumatic past lives, how a great general who is now her boyfriend (me) burst into her home and slaughtered all of her family, how her mother only cares about her because she owes her karma from a past life, how her father doesn't care about her truly because his only purpose was to provide sperm for her inception, but how the new friend shes known for 1 week was her sister in a previous life and that they were destined to meet again.
And because of her deep belief that past lives are real, and this woman is speaking the truth, it fucked her up, in the span of 25 mins this woman practically killed every single person who loves her, and instilled her with PTSD from events that never happened.
I watched this girl leave one morning with a smile on her face, and come back an hour later with deep set trauma, and trust issues that she has still not recovered from, and a depression 10x worse than what it was before, its. broken her on the inside
If that's not a despair code, I dont know what is.
It’s just the anti life equation
That's "The King in Yellow," from 1895- you read the play and at the end of the second act you go crazy and die!
Loving these regular uploads. Just discovered you this week and Im already struggling with a crippling Art Chad addiction! Does anyone know of any helpline?
He’s just a good UA-camr, not something to spend day or week throwing your whole cognition or life energy into it. Plenty of also compelling UA-camrs who also put out great thought provoking content
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A problem with your despair code idea is that it ironically discourages suicide.
The intent of your code was to convince people that everything they've done or will ever do is predetermined since the beginning of the universe. This would theoretically make them want to kill themselves because nothing they'll ever do in life matters and they're all just cogs following a predetermined motion in the universal machine.
But the problem with this is that, by it's own logic, killing yourself wouldn't matter either.
If you kill yourself, then you were always destined to do so. If you don't kill yourself, then you were always destined to not do so. You didn't achieve anything. You didn't defy fate. You're still on the proverbial wheel regardless of whether you live or die. So why even bother?
Maybe the real despair code was the friends we made along the way
I didn't know Momo was supposed to make you go crazy and/or off yourself; people in my elementary school (like fifth grade) just liked to show it to each other because it was vaguely creepy and made for a pretty good jumpscare if you did it right.
Despair code: Brown note
I know right, i use that stuff to fall asleep actually
That thing about having no agency in the future sounds kind of inspiring, as if how many things I can do to figure out what exactly was predetermined
No mention of Roko's Basilisk?
because once you discover porn at a young age, you are fucked, thats the real medusa (among other vices)
I'm a small content creator and, as one gen z to another, your channel seems very promising. I've only seen your video on the "incel war bands of africa," and while at first I was taken aback, it seems that you are very willing to deal with talking about things with a lack of precision first, IE you don't make grand declarative statements, but you do take time to explain ideas, and you make sure to largely take the intelligence of your audience seriously. This is largely full of flattery, but overall, you got something going for you, and you should keep it up
Books by the blameless and by the dead. King in yellow, queen in red...
You know its a banger when UA-cam puts a warning at the beginning
I’m honoured, my first warning ⚠️ ⛔️
Two things to make you bulletproof ™ against any such experiences:
1. Vipassana
2. Having multiple sufficiently BAD trips on psychedelics and making it back to tell the tale
Despair code? More like Unfulfilled Desire code... Masthead "Atalanta", Technical Marine Museum of La Specia, found by "La Veloce" at sea caused 2 suicides. One of a cleaner who got obsessed with the statue he was cleaning daily, jumped at sea in early 20th century. Another was a German military officer who transferred Atalanta to his apartment and one day left a suicide note that he could not live without her, and shot himself in the head.
Similar story in antiquity when the Cypriot sculptor Pygmalion "took the red pill" and built a beautiful statue, "Galatea" (in later sources), because he couldn't stand the women of his time practicing prostitution. He fell in love with the statue he built. Then he made offerings to Aphrodite and requested to bring the statue of Galatea to life, which she did!
Yo Art Chad. You are really picking up the pace and quality of these videos. Really enjoying it. Def gonna be big!
Reminds of the song "Gloomy Sunday", also known as the "Hungarian Suicide Song.", which was published in 1933.
There were also urban legends about suicides, that were traced back to this very song.
The composer also killed himself.
i love the positive message throughout art chat channel in the end of his videos
5:26 your despair code doesn't work for me because determinism also means you can't be held responsible for any of your actions, and thus there is no good or evil. its downright positive! at least it can be viewed in that way
Saturn Devouring His Son is a personal favorite.
another example is radiohead's music video for the song "just"
also the movie velvet buzzsaw
Have you read the Zahir by Jorge Luis Borges? It's about an image or an object hacking itself into your mind and taking over your thoughts, until your ego dissolves into obsession over the thing. Great short story and really fits this topic.
I had to move out of my apartment for 3mo for a bathroom renovation. I stashed all my stuff in my bedroom, and it was all sitting on the guest bed. I was watching this video, thinking about all sorts of horror toropes, and became concious of the fact that my desk dagger was still on the bed, and I had nothing for self defense. There was a moment of panic when I realized.
I went and got it.
Luckily, the nature of time makes despair codes impossible. Everything dies, even despair. And you can outlive it.
How so though? A "despair code" could still theoretically exist in the sense there's an idea which totally damns you, either psychologically or physically or both, its just that exists in the same sense a undiscovered mathematical theorem exists, the basic idea and the principle behind is still 'real', like regardless of if the theory of relativity is discovered or not, the principles behind still exist
@@jordanroberts2029 While a feeling may be all-encompassing in the moment, we ultimately decide how at act based on our emotions. And no emotion, no idea, can last forever; not even one stored in human memory, as humans forget easily.
@@meeb_consumer That's a good point, although I will retort and say that every idea that we have still does, by necessity of keeping us alive, needs to reflect reality in some way. While I will concede on the point of there or not being a despair code and say that in this dialogue, I'm incorrect.
My point though is that in asking that question I do want to engage in the challenge of further understanding something like this, not to uproot the statement you made but to further both of our understandings of the things, both in literal and metaphorical terms.
I apologize for the very long comment lol its late and I've been thinking for a little too long
@@jordanroberts2029 No, it's fine, thinking is good :)
I kinda was going at it with "grrr no I'm right grrr 😡😡😡" mindset and I apologize for that. The Internet is a crazy thing.
You're kinda right on the fact that all thoughts at least partially reflect reality though. Even very abstract thoughts "mutated" from grounded ones. But I feel like in order for there to be the invocation and refeeling of a despair code that connection to reality must be consciously recognized and thought upon to reach the idea of a despair code, so an escape through fantasy is possible. However, this could lead to a coping mechanism of living almost exclusively in a fantasy, which is called being insane, so in that way I guess it could work.
@@meeb_consumer That's a good point. What your saying reminds me of some of my readings of Arthur Schopenhauer (who if you want a good explanation of his philosophy, cut through the bullshit and look up an ai explanation in plain english) where he talks about how the world is really will and representation, IE that our construction of the world is something we create largely subconsciously and outside of our control, and that beneath that perception the world is actually in a constant state of becoming things better than itself before. In other words, it evolution put poetically. But overall, the conclusions he makes are simultaneously unique and nothing more than a philosophic exposition on ideas already espoused in religion.
My overall point with this is that when I challenged your notion, it was moreso that it (I am sorry for putting it in english such as thing) the statement seemed obvious from a position of pure reason, but not without it. In other words, I wouldn't say your going into something like with a negative mindset as you put it, but that it did seem to lack philosophic clarity, which I personally think is very important
Again, I'm a big fat nerd for this sort of stuff
🤣so don't take me too seriously on these statements
Blud discovered memetic infohazards
Humans have been thinking of things that could one shot us since at least ancient Greece. I'd like to think these ideas started with a 14 year old boy going, "aaaaah dude, what if..."
Wow artchad, you really showed those infohazards who's boss!
. I know someone. He was talking about oneness with some friends. He suddenly stood up from his chair. He went to the window and jumped. Noone could have stopped him. 5 sec are not enough time to react for them.
being told something or reading are the best vehicle. Words are much more immaculate in twisting and radicalizing thoughts and emotion into sudden action
now u got me thinking... we could hypothetically tailor a cognitohazard/despair code for a specific person for it to be very effective. maybe even a demographic of people all at once. like idk but maybe smth that probes at their 'issues'? u can be creative and make them latch to the piece of media by drawing them in and inciting odd thought patterns as a result of them trying to interpret the media. happened to me once... took me probably around 2 months to process/rationalize it.. and the 'thing' i watched im almost fully positive that it wasnt meant to do that. im not completely sure cuz the nature/general genre of what i was seeing doesnt try to pull stuff like this. id rather anyone not know what it was but u may try to guess it
Sounds like this could be made by harvesting personal data and making a mission driven AI that sends people into ever specific rabbithole loops and "random" digital occurences tailored and delivered at the right moment. Wouldn't work on everyone but use another AI-driven filtering tool to sift for depressed/psychotic people by screening their social media posts... This is a black mirror episode waiting to be launched as an irl surprise workshop larp that nobody consented to join
I'm immune to all that, the shit iv seen in my dreams are serious fkd nothing in real life could creep me out like that, but for some reason the underside of giant boats ew. That's the only thing that creeps me out
hey Brogen, best new channel I've seen and I've been youtubing since 2006. Thank JJ for sending me here.
I could see you writing a lil summin summin about how a tyrannical philosopher king takes psychedelics and decides to give his people freedom but they all commit suicide cuz they can’t bear the weight of their existence haha
I "grew up" (yeah, right) on David Cronenberg, Clive Barker, and Sam Raimi movies. None of this stuff fazes me.
0:12 "SYE-kee"
Just found your channel today, keep going bro. You earned my sub.
There’s a fun short in the alter channel that deals with this called “O.I.” Where a guy has an original idea but he’s the only one immune to it everyone he tells the idea well…. Doesn’t end well for them.
This sounds like something ai could do. Feed it 'cant unsee' images and ask it to distill these into a single conceptual image. Then build it back up by stressing "make it even more unseeable"
I found your attempt at replicating a despair code remarkably comforting. I’m no nihilist, I’m just happy with where my life is (after many, many years of not feeling that way).
I think the truth is that these are more cases of mass-hysteria that build up around something creepy rather than the creepy thing itself causing any direct harm.
the "despair code" reminds me of a short story by the author ted chiang (denis villeneuve's "arrival" is based on another of his stories) about a man who is rescued from an icy lake and given experimental drugs to try to undo the severe brain damage he experiences as a result of prolonged hypoxia. he recovers from his coma only to find he has undergone unrelenting exponential brain development as an unintended consequence of these little understood new drugs. little does he know, he's not the only person on the planet who has experienced this side effect...
Nice video “i’m killing myself”
Low tier God with lightning coming g out of his eyes
In my youth, an anime called Cat Soup circulated around my middle school. Many people were afraid to watch it as it was understood that the creator ended their life and it was somehow haunted and any viewer would arrive at the same fate. Was this a thing in any other school?
I really like your videos and glad you still upload. Severely underrated.
I looked away and covered my ears idgaf I’m not letting no mf lower my vibrations😤🤚🏼
Momo actually made me freak out as a kid
I think this was referenced in DC comics. The villain Darkseid is looking for something called the Anti-Life Equation, and weaponize it against the universe.
There is a this thing with finding familiar emotions comforting the 10s bit with the photos made me at ease like I was getting stoned and watching hereditary for the umpteenth time.
Virgin "free will doesn't exist" vs Chad "It feels like I have it therefore I do"
Literally just beleiving in free will make your life better so just do beleive. Some things do not need to be overthought.
I think this idea of the despair code is something symbolical for some event or occurrence that changes your life or perception of the world forever, which ofc is a very real thing. Either that or I've listened to to much Jordan Peterson and see symbolism everywhere now.
Please stop listening to Jordan Peterson. He’s an immature manchild who knows absolutely nothing. Your philosophical horizons will expand so much if you stop listening to the alt-right dirtbags who claim to be “philosophers”.
Maybe, but I don’t think we all fear the same thing so there can’t be a universal despair code as some people are afraid of death and some aren’t, same with everything, I don’t think there’s one thing everyone is traumatised by to such a point they kill themselves because we all have different limits and different pasts and fears and etc, so you’re probably right in a realistic way because it sounds very Manchurian candidate from the 1960’s to suggest that’s a real possibility.
People think I'm dumb when I say the pod challenge never existed. You said it right. It was a dumb meme that got picked up by the news because boomers are boomers.
Could the image be a performance of a killing? For example people who saw a tragedy (car driving into a group of kids for example) need trauma support. What if you would view the tragedy as some sort of live improvised performance art? Would that count?
Thanks for bringing back my unwanted memories ❤
Everyone's favourite Irish-Canadian is back with a killer video!
i get dispare codes sent to my head every night this is nothing
This was me trying to do this crap in grad school. It can’t be done especially with an image only. lol
Dining room or there is nothing.
Lol at the Despair Code Music. The 4chan guy obviously never listened to 20th century classical music like Ligeti or Mimaroglu.
5:00 Word to the wise: you can spot someone who read Hegel and understood Hegel by whether he went totally batshit insane after he finished.
Crazy how you and Polyblank covered the same topic within 24 hours
What about the corollary, “kill yourself that makes you art?” Lookin at Van Gogh with this one
The way you say art is so incredibly Canadian
5:26 this is literally just the Eternal Return, and you don't have to take as something to despair about.
you considered making a video about Yukio Mishima? theres a very good movie about his life and work too called 'mishima: a life in four chapters'. I'll reserve my judgment about him, id like to see your coverage of him. great work tho man, also been listening to the Horseshoe cast, very neat stuff
Despair code feels like dysphoria
I feel like the second anyone becomes old enough to pay their first utility bill this type of shit loses all its scare value
Im neither scared nor suicidal. Sorry to disappoint.
i recall reading an interview with David Cronenberg re: the film Videodrome. in it he said that a lot of the inspiration for the film came from an anxiety he had as a child surfing OTA television signals after his local stations were off the air. he had been afraid that he might see something unexpected and depraved late into the night, something that might permanently damage him somehow.
i think it's interesting that a lot of stories that explore this have a base assumption about whether the corrupting influence of the dangerous work is textual and explicit, textual and "subliminal" (often as a commentary on the medium rather than the work) or (and this generally makes for a less interesting narrative as you seem to agree) totally divorced from the work and the medium - like a ghost living in a video cassette. i usually find works like this live or die on whether they have something interesting to say in that department. Videodrome gets explicit about this in a way i find refreshing and funny in equal measure.
it would be really interesting to dig into the history of this idea. i bet it's a lot older than TV/Internet. and probably a lot older than print.
anyway reading the interview made me kill myself. boo !
Holy fuck, just discovered your channel and you need way more subs lol. Good shit!!
what about Phillip Mainlander that hung himself by jumping off a stack of books…the books he written and published 😳😬😵
Hello art chad, /x/ called, they want their succubi back
Were obsessed with the idea because its a quick ending unlock, you're skipping the insignificant sliver of your existence & achieving your true form that will exist for the rest of existence, DEATH. To understand that & mentally reach this point through a natural understanding is the ultimate form of enlightenment. No matter what you do you're already dead, the mind starts to gravitate towards the ultimate void. I frequently wake up in panick attacks knowing no matter what i do the void awaits, calling for me & all of survival is just resistance. REACH ENLIGHTENMENT MY FRIENDS JOIN ME FOR THE ULTIMATE CALLING!
Bro this is just like a philosophy class
whit this matter, there should be a string of words that could make poeople make anything you want to do, like an npc prompt, bot you would need to be the father of all lies
At the end of the video, it felt like it was going towards a religious tone.
"Otherworldly..." that would be spirits! Angels, demons, and God, although God is much more than *just* a spirit.
I was so disappointed that you didn't mention Solar Plexus Clown Gliders. It's on the same conspiracy iceberg chart as the Despair Code.
You could argue that it's a haunted image, but Momo is the same thing.
Patiently waiting for your next video!
Bro is trying to find an irl cognito hazard
finally, a video about my average middle school art project
the rokeby of venus story reminds me of “the picture of dorian gray”
I got an alert about viewer digression. Wild