i felt bad for minju when she was crying because she knows she didnt deserve the rank 1 on one of the rounds. she knew she didnt do great and it was her visuals that made her rank 1
@@sakurawilliams6380OP isn't saying minju isn't talented or anything, but minju herself has impostor syndrome probably because she looks up to the other talented trainees who she thinks should've ranked higher than her hence she felt like she didn't deserve her rank.
So much needed! I really liked the fact that you talked about how there is hate train always going on in survival shows. I remember cai bing, she was talented but she was evil edited as well by mnet. Mnet is a big snake who tries to do everything possible as to make the show interesting. That's why they have members from disbanded groups (or near disbandment), also they are xenophobic. That's why kpop Stans should first think and then take their decision towards some people :)
two things to clarify so kpop stans don’t kill me: 1. this is not a hate vid, i love all the idols and trainees featured in this vid!! i would be disappointed to see hate comments towards any trainee :( 2. this is NOT a new take, but with boys planet 999 airing, i wanted to bring this up again bc survival show season gets real heated 🥲 survival shows are my guilty pleasure, but the drama can be overwhelming. here are some of my tips for escaping the toxicity: ✨find the positive in every trainee - even if not all of my faves made it, i know what charms every trainee has and how it’ll help them shine in the final lineup ✨ watch full stages, not the edited clips - mnet really likes to exaggerate small mistakes and make them seem huge. full stages, without the fast cuts and editing, will show you the reality. ✨ learn what dirty tricks mnet likes to use - remember that the reality is usually much less exciting - rarely is a trainee truly THAT mean. a trainee may not be your fave, but there is a way to be respectful about it. be kind to one another 🫡
the fact kpop creators (who arent toxic obvi) have to make comments/disclaimers like this so they dont get hated is so fucking insane and disappointing to me😕
@@christian-ow1fm i’ve had my words twisted before so now i’m very cautious 🥲 because kpop can be so toxic, i always aim to be a responsible and kind influence.
@@operationkep1er literally i've already started distancing myself from the kpop world (as in social media and shit) cus of these people and i only got into kpop like 3 fucking months ago😭
Feel like the trainees need to be smart and act fast to create a certain story or image for the cameras and capturing the audience’s attention. Ofc when I say image, I don’t mean that the trainees should be literally acting for the cameras to seem perfect. I’ve realised that with the way u create a story and image of urself in these survival shows, they tend to rank pretty well. Friendships or stories of improvement or the “this is my last chance” trope being the most popular in these survival shows. If it works the first time at the beginning of the show, then it’d be great to maintain it throughout, if it doesn’t work then well tough luck, they’ll just have to try improving stage presence instead for those live performances they do in front of audience to gain on site live audience votes, gain benefits and survive
Yeah, like minju ru next. In second round she just taking any part without arguments (assuming she have quite low confidence than other trainees) then she got scolded by her coach cause shes not doing justice for her part means she could do better if she got good part like 1 or 2 and as results her gp didn't win but shes got good amount screentime in the ep and story of her own and fans keep noticing her after that. No hate to her tho i actually relieve she stand of herself and have good results after that
@@KEep_BOYCOCTING_ISRALIshe was already popular before as she was rumored to be a former yg trainee and she was one of the only contestants where we had singing materials before the show even started.
This is entirely correct. Mnet needs to quit marketing these as a talent show or a path to idol. They literally want popular and beauty pageant level contestants…. Talent don’t mean squat
Its definitely popularity because the final line up mostly depends on votes from fans so the contestants with the best visuals or something like that tend to debut even when others are way more talented than them.
Thats why I watch the performances before the epizode itself. Cause as I know mnet edits I know that it could change my point of view cause of the way they editor the episodes. I mean they know what they are doing
Survival also need skills, which is a talent in this case, cause they are going to be debut as a group not just a big brother show... so I wish talented ones are the winner but yeah... Popularity win sometimes. I won't hating on the one that can make it to the debut line with less talent skills than other contestants but it is a shame that visuals more important to some people (like the talented trainees they are bashed by netizens because of their look that is so saaaad, the should've win if it's not because of the k beauty standarts). Jeon Soyeon, Takeuchi Miyu, Bora, Jay and Keita for example. They are good looking but got less vote cause ppl saying their visual is not good enough (BUT THEY ARE LOOKING REALLY REALLY FINE BRUH)
I love how the video above this was how a contestant from R U Next survival show was only being voted for their looks and that the person believed there were other people better fit for debut, lol.
I think humor plays a major part in it too. There are a lot of kpop idols from survival shows who got in because they're either relateable, popular or funny.
i have not ever fully kept up with a survival show (watching) or participated in voting while it is ongoing. for instance, currently i have only seen clips of RU NEXT and A2K (although a2k isnt rly a fan-voted or fan participating show). skill is 100% the most important factor when it comes to survival shows. which makes it so unfortunate that no matter how talented a person is, if theyre not as conventionally attractive as another participant who (for example,) has 50% of their skill, a lot of people (most likely the majority) will still vote for the "better looking" one. this is even more prevalent because these shows are based in south korea where as you all know, appearance is very important even to get a basic office job. and although you can argue that there is "potential" in a person who doesnt have good skills, why not debut the other participant(s) who do have the sufficient requirements? like, just because they have a pretty face and "potential", its better to just allow that person to train more until their skills are up to par rather than debut them right away (which also takes it away from someone who IS ready to debut). ANYWAYS idk ive just been thinking abt survival shows a lot (ive seen way too many clips of a2k and ru next and it kinda frustrates me how survival shows and maybe kpop in general is becoming less and less about talent and skills).
I feel like both are needed but since K-pop is all about perfection , someone popular would be better in a group than someone who is talented , because at least the group would be well known... Then maybe those idols can work on their skills
Ofc popularity. I tried something else by watching survival show just for their performance, not bts or training time. So i found some trainees is ready for debute BUT they not always being TOP list of voting result.
I will forever put skill before popularity, because saying talent is somewhat subjective. Anyone can be talented but having skill is what sets you apart. Popularity is a major role, but popularity isn’t in your control, so all the contestants can do is do their best, and the edit lets them shine. But at the end of the day, morally the best should advance, but sadly that is not the case all the time
The fact that majority of the decisions comes from the public thru votes is already unfair due to unequal screen time. And for you to get votes from them, you have to fit the beauty standards and must have connections from the outside. The more popular you are, the better. I was really surprised at first when i found out that some idols got the 1st spot in a survival show even tho they're not the best like wonyoung and nayeon. That's why I'm not that surprised when idols debuted thru survival shows aren't that talented. Visuals over talent 🥴
I guess survival shows are just not for me then because i always root for the people who have the talent to be an idol. I always get so annoyed when the prettiest girl/'visual' makes it through but they cant even sing
I feel it should be a combination of both because you can be super talented but just not have that star power or it factor we have all seen celebrities or influencers or regular people who are talented but don’t get as much attention or popularity because they are a little bland and on the other side we see people who are massively popular but lack any talent. I feel they shouldn’t have to be like amazing of the bat but have great potential and go to show improvement and have some of that intrigue the best example for me is jake from enhypen he wasn’t the greatest and wasnt in my top picks for debut but he kept improving and his personality started shining. So to me that’s the ideal.
This is so true OMG- People are so sour about their faves not getting in but it’s not about talent it’s about who sells it to the public. Some people do it better or have the editing in their favor. So for the love of all things alive or dead if your fave doesn’t get in pls be respectful to the people who do. In the end they all tried their best and worked hard and if you refuse to be a mature human being b!tch GET TF OVER IT!
I honestly think that talent is better than popularity. People choose now K-pop idols based on their appearance and visuals and not talent. I want this to stop in kpop.
You definitely need both but your talent is literally under looked if you're not getting enough screen time or popularity, unless someone points it out globally they'll never have a chance to debut without people voting for them. If you're extremely popular with a good rep and have decent skills that aren't that bad, you'll have a 70-30% chance to debut. If you're not that popular and have insanely good skills and people don't know about you, it's hard to get them to notice you unless you put on a performance that's insanely angelic or powerful on stage. Only then they'll be like " Who is this person?" they'll mostly cling onto the people they have information on. Honestly if even a bad skilled trainee that gets popularized to get decent and improve gets to debut *not hating but people seem to like that thrill of someone improving even though there's other trainees who have had those skills from the start doubled or tripled*
That's why viewers vote is unnecessary imo. They just vote for the unskilled trainees just because they're "interesting" or "pretty". They vote for fun and not thinking about the long-term results. Ended up the skilled one fading and even lost their opportunity. It's waay better if the viewer has a chance to only save one or two participants, and let the rest be selected by the mentors/judges, the professional one!
Hiyyih güzel ve dans edebiliyor ve şarkı söyleyebiliyor sesi de gayet hoş kamera önündeki kişliği ile insanları tavlıyor onun çıkış yapması kabul edilebilir ama peki r u next yarışmasında birinci olan kız tamamiyle görünüşünden kazandı iz.one üyesi de aynı şekilde
KIM JIWOONG FR he is talented but him having good looks and being a actor made him get a lot of votes.KEITA AND JAY DID NOT DEBUT BUT THEY HAD MORE POTENTIAL AND SKILLS THAN HIM.imo pls dont get mad.
Don't put mnet survival show as the standard, put YG survival show then, I'll recommend Who is Next and Mix and Match Every trainee is talented, they're force to sing, rap, dance, produce song and choreography, making concept etc The judges is professional, real rapper, dancer, producer. You'll got the most traumatic experience hahahh
But you are seriously not factoring whether or not the trainee has skills or not. Whether we blame the show itself or the trainee, it definitely has something to do with their skills.
i always thought that the braging was about saine people try to show dumb peple that talent should be first not to brag about idols. i idol feel attacked it's mnet. they should blame them not people. but for people the problem is other people who are dumb and overlook the telent.
Many trainees join a show together and different challenges are put for them like making groups and performing, solo performances, vocal battle, dance battle etc type of things related to being an idol and votes are decided by the public that are gonna vote and also by the judges (varies sometimes) the ones who get the highest votes (depending on number of members they want in the group) get debuted in the new group that has to be formed by the show Also the number of participants keep reducing as per the votes , lowest ones are removed by eliminating
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i felt bad for minju when she was crying because she knows she didnt deserve the rank 1 on one of the rounds. she knew she didnt do great and it was her visuals that made her rank 1
@@sakurawilliams6380OP isn't saying minju isn't talented or anything, but minju herself has impostor syndrome probably because she looks up to the other talented trainees who she thinks should've ranked higher than her hence she felt like she didn't deserve her rank.
Wdym which minju from r u next or where?
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So much needed! I really liked the fact that you talked about how there is hate train always going on in survival shows. I remember cai bing, she was talented but she was evil edited as well by mnet. Mnet is a big snake who tries to do everything possible as to make the show interesting. That's why they have members from disbanded groups (or near disbandment), also they are xenophobic. That's why kpop Stans should first think and then take their decision towards some people :)
korean tv talent show priorities :
1% talents
1% fairness
10% visual
34% drama
54 % views rating
nah more like
1% talents
1% fairness
30% Drama
30%Views rating
38%Visuals
two things to clarify so kpop stans don’t kill me:
1. this is not a hate vid, i love all the idols and trainees featured in this vid!! i would be disappointed to see hate comments towards any trainee :(
2. this is NOT a new take, but with boys planet 999 airing, i wanted to bring this up again bc survival show season gets real heated 🥲
survival shows are my guilty pleasure, but the drama can be overwhelming. here are some of my tips for escaping the toxicity:
✨find the positive in every trainee
- even if not all of my faves made it, i know what charms every trainee has and how it’ll help them shine in the final lineup
✨ watch full stages, not the edited clips
- mnet really likes to exaggerate small mistakes and make them seem huge. full stages, without the fast cuts and editing, will show you the reality.
✨ learn what dirty tricks mnet likes to use
- remember that the reality is usually much less exciting - rarely is a trainee truly THAT mean.
a trainee may not be your fave, but there is a way to be respectful about it. be kind to one another 🫡
the fact kpop creators (who arent toxic obvi) have to make comments/disclaimers like this so they dont get hated is so fucking insane and disappointing to me😕
@@christian-ow1fm i’ve had my words twisted before so now i’m very cautious 🥲 because kpop can be so toxic, i always aim to be a responsible and kind influence.
@@operationkep1er literally i've already started distancing myself from the kpop world (as in social media and shit) cus of these people and i only got into kpop like 3 fucking months ago😭
Super great things to bring up! Wish they were in the vid ❤️
To be an idol you need talent but popularity is a big element of kpop too
Feel like the trainees need to be smart and act fast to create a certain story or image for the cameras and capturing the audience’s attention. Ofc when I say image, I don’t mean that the trainees should be literally acting for the cameras to seem perfect. I’ve realised that with the way u create a story and image of urself in these survival shows, they tend to rank pretty well. Friendships or stories of improvement or the “this is my last chance” trope being the most popular in these survival shows. If it works the first time at the beginning of the show, then it’d be great to maintain it throughout, if it doesn’t work then well tough luck, they’ll just have to try improving stage presence instead for those live performances they do in front of audience to gain on site live audience votes, gain benefits and survive
Yeah, like minju ru next. In second round she just taking any part without arguments (assuming she have quite low confidence than other trainees) then she got scolded by her coach cause shes not doing justice for her part means she could do better if she got good part like 1 or 2 and as results her gp didn't win but shes got good amount screentime in the ep and story of her own and fans keep noticing her after that.
No hate to her tho i actually relieve she stand of herself and have good results after that
@@KEep_BOYCOCTING_ISRALIshe was already popular before as she was rumored to be a former yg trainee and she was one of the only contestants where we had singing materials before the show even started.
If you're just tryna make it (which is perfectly fine), definitely popularity.
If you're an actual artist, talent.
INNOCENT RAPPER FROM HELL
This is entirely correct. Mnet needs to quit marketing these as a talent show or a path to idol. They literally want popular and beauty pageant level contestants…. Talent don’t mean squat
Its definitely popularity because the final line up mostly depends on votes from fans so the contestants with the best visuals or something like that tend to debut even when others are way more talented than them.
Thats why I watch the performances before the epizode itself. Cause as I know mnet edits I know that it could change my point of view cause of the way they editor the episodes. I mean they know what they are doing
Survival also need skills, which is a talent in this case, cause they are going to be debut as a group not just a big brother show... so I wish talented ones are the winner but yeah... Popularity win sometimes. I won't hating on the one that can make it to the debut line with less talent skills than other contestants but it is a shame that visuals more important to some people (like the talented trainees they are bashed by netizens because of their look that is so saaaad, the should've win if it's not because of the k beauty standarts). Jeon Soyeon, Takeuchi Miyu, Bora, Jay and Keita for example. They are good looking but got less vote cause ppl saying their visual is not good enough (BUT THEY ARE LOOKING REALLY REALLY FINE BRUH)
I love how the video above this was how a contestant from R U Next survival show was only being voted for their looks and that the person believed there were other people better fit for debut, lol.
This is why Mentors should have a larger input on the debut to balance the popularity aspect to the talent.
I think humor plays a major part in it too. There are a lot of kpop idols from survival shows who got in because they're either relateable, popular or funny.
i think that it’s mostly popularity, but talent is a large factor too.
Straight up FACTS
But universe ticket is more of a talent show but it has influences that it may look like a popularity show
i have not ever fully kept up with a survival show (watching) or participated in voting while it is ongoing. for instance, currently i have only seen clips of RU NEXT and A2K (although a2k isnt rly a fan-voted or fan participating show). skill is 100% the most important factor when it comes to survival shows. which makes it so unfortunate that no matter how talented a person is, if theyre not as conventionally attractive as another participant who (for example,) has 50% of their skill, a lot of people (most likely the majority) will still vote for the "better looking" one. this is even more prevalent because these shows are based in south korea where as you all know, appearance is very important even to get a basic office job.
and although you can argue that there is "potential" in a person who doesnt have good skills, why not debut the other participant(s) who do have the sufficient requirements? like, just because they have a pretty face and "potential", its better to just allow that person to train more until their skills are up to par rather than debut them right away (which also takes it away from someone who IS ready to debut).
ANYWAYS idk ive just been thinking abt survival shows a lot (ive seen way too many clips of a2k and ru next and it kinda frustrates me how survival shows and maybe kpop in general is becoming less and less about talent and skills).
fans even hate on the judges and mentors aka seniors. 😭
I feel like both are needed but since K-pop is all about perfection , someone popular would be better in a group than someone who is talented , because at least the group would be well known... Then maybe those idols can work on their skills
Watching this just before jay chang appears on build up. Gotta make him THE famous contestant this time
Ofc popularity.
I tried something else by watching survival show just for their performance, not bts or training time.
So i found some trainees is ready for debute BUT they not always being TOP list of voting result.
I will forever put skill before popularity, because saying talent is somewhat subjective. Anyone can be talented but having skill is what sets you apart. Popularity is a major role, but popularity isn’t in your control, so all the contestants can do is do their best, and the edit lets them shine. But at the end of the day, morally the best should advance, but sadly that is not the case all the time
Ver el programa de supervivencia sin tomerselo enserio y votar por quién le plazcay listo ya tienen la solucion a hora toca disfrutar del programa
The fact that majority of the decisions comes from the public thru votes is already unfair due to unequal screen time. And for you to get votes from them, you have to fit the beauty standards and must have connections from the outside. The more popular you are, the better. I was really surprised at first when i found out that some idols got the 1st spot in a survival show even tho they're not the best like wonyoung and nayeon.
That's why I'm not that surprised when idols debuted thru survival shows aren't that talented. Visuals over talent 🥴
vaneysa 💀💀💀 rank 1
its based on popularity not talent btc❤ thats the cause of gehlee from ut and minju
Talent
I guess survival shows are just not for me then because i always root for the people who have the talent to be an idol. I always get so annoyed when the prettiest girl/'visual' makes it through but they cant even sing
I feel it should be a combination of both because you can be super talented but just not have that star power or it factor we have all seen celebrities or influencers or regular people who are talented but don’t get as much attention or popularity because they are a little bland and on the other side we see people who are massively popular but lack any talent. I feel they shouldn’t have to be like amazing of the bat but have great potential and go to show improvement and have some of that intrigue the best example for me is jake from enhypen he wasn’t the greatest and wasnt in my top picks for debut but he kept improving and his personality started shining. So to me that’s the ideal.
This is so true OMG-
People are so sour about their faves not getting in but it’s not about talent it’s about who sells it to the public.
Some people do it better or have the editing in their favor. So for the love of all things alive or dead if your fave doesn’t get in pls be respectful to the people who do. In the end they all tried their best and worked hard and if you refuse to be a mature human being b!tch GET TF OVER IT!
I honestly think that talent is better than popularity. People choose now K-pop idols based on their appearance and visuals and not talent. I want this to stop in kpop.
"you're breathing wrong and here's why"
You definitely need both but your talent is literally under looked if you're not getting enough screen time or popularity, unless someone points it out globally they'll never have a chance to debut without people voting for them. If you're extremely popular with a good rep and have decent skills that aren't that bad, you'll have a 70-30% chance to debut. If you're not that popular and have insanely good skills and people don't know about you, it's hard to get them to notice you unless you put on a performance that's insanely angelic or powerful on stage. Only then they'll be like " Who is this person?" they'll mostly cling onto the people they have information on. Honestly if even a bad skilled trainee that gets popularized to get decent and improve gets to debut *not hating but people seem to like that thrill of someone improving even though there's other trainees who have had those skills from the start doubled or tripled*
Finished Universe ticket and popularity and how cute you are is prioritised over talent
But i think sohye improved a lot in the show
Baby Metal?
Who else was thinking of Vanesya?😅
That's why viewers vote is unnecessary imo. They just vote for the unskilled trainees just because they're "interesting" or "pretty". They vote for fun and not thinking about the long-term results. Ended up the skilled one fading and even lost their opportunity. It's waay better if the viewer has a chance to only save one or two participants, and let the rest be selected by the mentors/judges, the professional one!
So when are we going to change that mindset? Don't put the blame on Mnet.
This is the argument. This is the argument that made me accept Bahiyyih
I still don't like Bahiyyih
Vladislav ivanov…
Hiyyih güzel ve dans edebiliyor ve şarkı söyleyebiliyor sesi de gayet hoş kamera önündeki kişliği ile insanları tavlıyor onun çıkış yapması kabul edilebilir ama peki r u next yarışmasında birinci olan kız tamamiyle görünüşünden kazandı iz.one üyesi de aynı şekilde
Yes, but by this point Oriole should have caught on by now. I also blame the voters ego STILL end up choosing the untalented trainees
KIM JIWOONG FR he is talented but him having good looks and being a actor made him get a lot of votes.KEITA AND JAY DID NOT DEBUT BUT THEY HAD MORE POTENTIAL AND SKILLS THAN HIM.imo pls dont get mad.
I think so🤔
Where do I watch these
Don't put mnet survival show as the standard, put YG survival show then, I'll recommend Who is Next and Mix and Match
Every trainee is talented, they're force to sing, rap, dance, produce song and choreography, making concept etc
The judges is professional, real rapper, dancer, producer.
You'll got the most traumatic experience hahahh
But you are seriously not factoring whether or not the trainee has skills or not. Whether we blame the show itself or the trainee, it definitely has something to do with their skills.
i always thought that the braging was about saine people try to show dumb peple that talent should be first not to brag about idols. i idol feel attacked it's mnet. they should blame them not people. but for people the problem is other people who are dumb and overlook the telent.
Who is "failing to understand" that it's a popularity show? 😭 Be serious. We know it's about popularity. Some people just don't deserve to be popular
What is survivel show ?
Many trainees join a show together and different challenges are put for them like making groups and performing, solo performances, vocal battle, dance battle etc type of things related to being an idol and votes are decided by the public that are gonna vote and also by the judges (varies sometimes) the ones who get the highest votes (depending on number of members they want in the group) get debuted in the new group that has to be formed by the show
Also the number of participants keep reducing as per the votes , lowest ones are removed by eliminating
You had to tell the girlies the truth. Thank you
Talent
Talent