I'm a retired Unix/Linux System Administrator and still keep in touch with many current admins. For years CentOS was being used for development and testing before deploying code to production RHEL servers. With the change by Red Hat this is no longer an option. Yes there is a "free" RHEL license for developer use, but most of the installations wouldn't qualify for that license, especially for use as test servers. So of the alternatives, which is actually being deployed? Everyone I know has selected Rocky Linux for a number of reasons including that it is named for one of the founders of CentOS and is the project of the other founder. Thisisnt' to say AlmaLinux isn't a good choice, just not the one being selected by the people I know. Oh while I AM a Fedora user at the desktop, it is not a viable replacement for the CentOS use cases I mentioned.
Despite being a Slackware user, I have a certain fondness for Red Hat, both the company and the OS. I used it back before there was a RHEL/CentOS/Fedora, back in the days of Windows 98. The computer I had back then came with a crappy soft-modem and Red Hat was the only Linux distribution that had drivers for it. Getting on the internet back then was an altogether different experience, but doing so with this shiny new toy of Linux cemented its place in my heart.
AlmaLinux really is the best. Its not because of the legal structure of the community, but also how helpful the community is. (Its also the fastest to release when RHEL makes their releases)
I know this is off topic, but nobody seems to talk about SUSE Linux Enterprise. The openSUSE Leap distribution is based off of (and 100% binary identical to) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.
Not an expert, but I think it’s more than just messaging / comms screw up. The fact that CentOS is now upstream essentially means that it’s not up to CentOS to ensure compatibility. Beyond compatibility, it’s now directly downstream from a non-enterprise distro, so it may now be as stable as a regular community distro-not what Debian-averse people are willing to run on their servers. And they did this by “embrace, extend, and extinguish,” so it was reasonably perceived as a disingenuous tactic.
Aside from support, one of the big draws of RHEL is that they have the paid staff to performance tune it for common workstation and server hardware. It's not of major concern to most small server needs, but I am very curious how many RHEL performance optimizations make it into the the clones, or even upstream. Especially if somebody's hobby program requires all of the performance it can get. I haven't seen a huge gain in every category vs some other community distros like Deb11, but RHEL does seem to edge them out in most categories while having major speed gains in a handful of tasks.(eg AES cryptography.)
Also to remember Gregory Kurtzer was the original creator of CentOS and now rocky Linux. So if CentOS is anything to go by Rocky Linux in the long run should be awesome. Also sometimes it's not always about the faster updates when it comes to servers it's about stability.
I would be wary to make myself dependent on a product of a for profit company again. That is what caused this debacle in the first place. It's a shame this incident split the community.
This video was 1 hour too late for me. But somehow I left my search tab open anyway, came back 2 hours later, the tab reloaded itself and I saw this video. Great breakdown, my Fedora install has been so buggy I was looking for a more stable alternative.
Well it's two days later and I've finally got some semblance of a recovery of my system (even recovered this tab, lol). I really prefer the fedora/red hat way of doing things but I like KDE even more and it just seems like I can't have both so I've had to go with Kubuntu instead.
You and I know that Rocky Linux is named after one of the CentOS founders, but to the average person, the word "rocky" either means "unstable" or "punch-drunk boxer". Not great if you have to specify the OS name in a hosting bid! I think AlmaLinux is probably the best RHEL clone to pick - I don't like CentOS Stream because it's a permanent beta for RHEL and therefore less desirable than RHEL or its downstream clones.
no joke , that was what i was searching for this week , rh stack with fedora,rocky,alma and CoreOS , openshift (okd) , openstack and ansible on the other hand ununtu with maas , juju microk8s and ubuntu openstack or just debian docker and portainer still trying things out...
i installed RHEL 9 with Developer account but the intel integrated graphics is not found in repo or epel and gnome use llvmpipe that so slow so.. now i use RHEL 8 and it have that driver, this feature will be on Rocky and alma as well
Just a perspective. I was glad to see an ecosystem form downstream of RHEL. In fact I like that CentOS Stream is upstream of RHEL now. It will have to be seen with version 10 but I like the idea of RHEL being downstream of CentOS Stream better than Fedora. I love Fedora but it is the bleeding edge and like the idea of CentOS stream being directly downstream from that and then hardened there and making it's way into RHEL... and let the clones downstream from that follow. We'll have to see how this works in practice of course.
As a Rocky Linux 8.6 user, and a 3D artist that depends on Autodesk Maya, Renderman and some major 3D apps, Those companies don't upgrade the software they do (closed) python version to the lastest. I have issues with the Old GlibC (2.28) that is a nightmare. I miss Arch distros, but I'm just need to know what can I do to use those fancy Distros without breaking the apps with the software updates . . . If yout can install Renderman or Maya with Newer python version, I'm all ears.
Try Rocky 9 in a VM. If that doesn't work try Alma 9 in a VM. Alma 9 has Python 3.10 and Rocky 9 has Python 3.9 (which is probably updated to 3.10, too, by now).
You have my subs, RHEL make sense if you a big company running multiple tons of servers in datacenter or even middle size company having own infrastructure.
For me, Red Hat derivatives are the only flavors that feel like I would have to pay 1000 dollars to use, like Darwin/MacOS. Feels "premium." A lot of good choices made. Everything is tightly integrated. The security is grade-A for a general-use workstation too. Nice peace of mind there.
For most use cases though, I just use the UBI docker image and install whatever I want in it - like a development environment. Otherwise for daily use Fedora fits the bill just fine.
@@starkfuture1057I agree with you. I like that there's an option for those that want to keep a specific version of GNOME for longer than the two years that Fedora supports their releases. I'm considering moving to a RHEL derivative once Fedora 37 goes end-of-life due to the incidental killing of a feature where you could super+scroll while grabbing a window to move it to another workspace. Wanna keep GNOME 43 for longer than F37 allows.
I'm surprised nobody has really gotten on RedHat's case for pulling a Microsoft on CentOS. Support, Integrate, Obsolete, it's literally Microsoft's internal tagline for handling competition.
Any advice which linux is best for 32bit computers/laptops and for people who want leave windows and who are not so tech savy? Tried puppy/beaver was painful (sucked),MX sort of OK but updates are suspicious, knoppix works fine frome live disc but after instalation no sound (HDMI). And could you explain/help in human language please...
Very rough algorithm to choose a distro: You have Linux experience? 1. No. 1.1. You like Gnome more? Ubuntu 1.2. You like KDE more? Kubuntu 2. Yes. Then you know better.
im basically completely new to linux here, i used mint for a few months one time and that one my first taste of linux, I loved the freedom from microsoft trackers and forced software and didn't mind moving to other software alternatives but i eventuallygave in and switched back to windows after some shortcomings for my personal use. there was no way to use autodesk software on that distro, im now finding out about other distros and someone told me to look up red had ditros. im confused on what would be good to use as a new user who moslty does your general media consumption but also uses maya for content creation. can anyone tell me whats the most user freindly distro that also supports maya? EDIT: Ive been using Fedora for a few days now and officially uninstalled windows form my laptop. I do want to figure how how to do passthrough with vms tho mostly because i want to play VR games again and i can't do that with my wmr headset (reverb G2)
I'm sure you already know about this but a great resource for Fedora as well as Linux in general is Linux Questions (website, given UA-cams track record I'm not giving you the website but a quick search on your favorite internet search engine should get you there.
Using it for work is a big one for people, cause Red Hat is big in business. Some people like it so much they bring it home. People that like GNOME usually use Fedora because you get the stock GNOME experience.
I was wondering if a company not even related to IT can use things like Linux, OnlyOffice etc fully legally. Somebody maybe has an experience? Recently in one shop I saw Ubuntu on PC so I guess it has to work somehow
There's actually less legal obstacle using open source software than proprietary software. The main thing that gets in the way is corporate preferences.
@@TechHut so for example a small company of two people can without any issues run Mint on its computers, use OnlyOffice to edit spreadsheets and Firefox to browse the web without any need to pay the companies who created them?
Hi, I'm from the enterprise B2B - IT Security . Except Oracle Linux/(ALMA)Ubuntu, all of them are not relevant for the market. And you should not install any other Linuxs distros, becauses they will not be there in 10 years. Fedora has no LTS - that is for the enterprise market important than lot of other argument(stability and LTS ). Do not waste your time.
I don’t really get what they did with CentOS. The entire purpose was to be a rebuilt of RHEL, and they just decided it wasn’t going to be? Now it’s upstream of RHEL. Kinda defeats the entire purpose.
CentOS wasn't surving any purpose for Red Hat anymore. CentOS Stream does. So while Red Hat no longer does a RHEL clone, they're (we're) not stopping others from creating a clone.
RHEL, Oracle Linux, CentOS, and the likes is good but why not just use Fedora Server or Ubuntu Server or Debian Linux or OpenSUSE Linux? I'm not quite sure why anyone would go for anything other than RHEL/CentOS, Oracle Linux, Fedora Linux or Ubuntu Linux considering that Red Hat/Fedora/Oracle and Canonical provide world-class leading technical support which some of these other distributions just do not provide which makes me question why they even exist since what SysAdmin wants to use unsupported software/software with little to no documentation...?
I STILL can't get over how Red Hat gave CentOS 8 LESS SUPPORT THAN 7. That makes me never want to use RHEL-based distros... and combined with the Fedora codecs issue... Yeah, Arch for me.
More than 50% of the video is about CentOS. Anyway, Alma Linux is BAD... VERY BAD regarding support. It projects itself as 'By The Community... For The Community'. But if you look into the 'Support' section of their Forum, you will see that most of the questions are unanswered. If their support be like this, I am afraid it will end up in the garbage.
The restrictions on the Developer accounts make it so that it can not be deployed as broadly as CentOS used to be in a business setting! (Retried Unix/Linux System Admin with 20+ years). The standard WAS to use CentOS for a Development server, a Test server and RHEL for production. Developers work on the Dev server, once the code is ready, it is deployed on the Test server and checked by QC and users before ever being deployed on production!!! Using the development license for test servers would be a violation (yeah the license compliance people would be all over that!) so an alternative is needed. MOST of the admins I'm still in contact with have chosen Rocky Linux but that is not to say AlmaLinux is not a good fit too.
How is this even tolerable by linux fans and officianardos linux has always been free ... paying for documentation and support ibget but making you pay to use software that should be free is just not on
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I'm a retired Unix/Linux System Administrator and still keep in touch with many current admins. For years CentOS was being used for development and testing before deploying code to production RHEL servers. With the change by Red Hat this is no longer an option. Yes there is a "free" RHEL license for developer use, but most of the installations wouldn't qualify for that license, especially for use as test servers. So of the alternatives, which is actually being deployed? Everyone I know has selected Rocky Linux for a number of reasons including that it is named for one of the founders of CentOS and is the project of the other founder. Thisisnt' to say AlmaLinux isn't a good choice, just not the one being selected by the people I know. Oh while I AM a Fedora user at the desktop, it is not a viable replacement for the CentOS use cases I mentioned.
Despite being a Slackware user, I have a certain fondness for Red Hat, both the company and the OS. I used it back before there was a RHEL/CentOS/Fedora, back in the days of Windows 98. The computer I had back then came with a crappy soft-modem and Red Hat was the only Linux distribution that had drivers for it. Getting on the internet back then was an altogether different experience, but doing so with this shiny new toy of Linux cemented its place in my heart.
How do you feel about RedHat now?
@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu Pretty much the same. But then I understand the licensing issues and their reasoning behind their decisions.
AlmaLinux really is the best. Its not because of the legal structure of the community, but also how helpful the community is. (Its also the fastest to release when RHEL makes their releases)
You the only one that made the CentOS and CentOS stream difference understandable.
Thank You!!
I know this is off topic, but nobody seems to talk about SUSE Linux Enterprise. The openSUSE Leap distribution is based off of (and 100% binary identical to) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.
there is also miracle linux, a japanese distro successor to asianux also based on rhel 8.0
Not an expert, but I think it’s more than just messaging / comms screw up. The fact that CentOS is now upstream essentially means that it’s not up to CentOS to ensure compatibility. Beyond compatibility, it’s now directly downstream from a non-enterprise distro, so it may now be as stable as a regular community distro-not what Debian-averse people are willing to run on their servers. And they did this by “embrace, extend, and extinguish,” so it was reasonably perceived as a disingenuous tactic.
Aside from support, one of the big draws of RHEL is that they have the paid staff to performance tune it for common workstation and server hardware. It's not of major concern to most small server needs, but I am very curious how many RHEL performance optimizations make it into the the clones, or even upstream. Especially if somebody's hobby program requires all of the performance it can get.
I haven't seen a huge gain in every category vs some other community distros like Deb11, but RHEL does seem to edge them out in most categories while having major speed gains in a handful of tasks.(eg AES cryptography.)
Also to remember Gregory Kurtzer was the original creator of CentOS and now rocky Linux. So if CentOS is anything to go by Rocky Linux in the long run should be awesome. Also sometimes it's not always about the faster updates when it comes to servers it's about stability.
Gregory named Rocky Linux in memory of Rocky McGaugh, the other original project founder.
I would be wary to make myself dependent on a product of a for profit company again. That is what caused this debacle in the first place.
It's a shame this incident split the community.
This video was 1 hour too late for me. But somehow I left my search tab open anyway, came back 2 hours later, the tab reloaded itself and I saw this video. Great breakdown, my Fedora install has been so buggy I was looking for a more stable alternative.
Well it's two days later and I've finally got some semblance of a recovery of my system (even recovered this tab, lol). I really prefer the fedora/red hat way of doing things but I like KDE even more and it just seems like I can't have both so I've had to go with Kubuntu instead.
If I was to go that route, I would go with full blown RHEL. Red Hat offers free instances for home use which is amazing!
Which version of red hat should I download? X86?
You and I know that Rocky Linux is named after one of the CentOS founders, but to the average person, the word "rocky" either means "unstable" or "punch-drunk boxer". Not great if you have to specify the OS name in a hosting bid!
I think AlmaLinux is probably the best RHEL clone to pick - I don't like CentOS Stream because it's a permanent beta for RHEL and therefore less desirable than RHEL or its downstream clones.
Rocky can also mean rugged, hard.
no joke , that was what i was searching for this week ,
rh stack with fedora,rocky,alma and CoreOS , openshift (okd) , openstack and ansible
on the other hand ununtu with maas , juju microk8s and ubuntu openstack
or just debian docker and portainer
still trying things out...
i installed RHEL 9 with Developer account but the intel integrated graphics is not found in repo or epel and gnome use llvmpipe that so slow so.. now i use RHEL 8 and it have that driver, this feature will be on Rocky and alma as well
Just a perspective. I was glad to see an ecosystem form downstream of RHEL. In fact I like that CentOS Stream is upstream of RHEL now. It will have to be seen with version 10 but I like the idea of RHEL being downstream of CentOS Stream better than Fedora. I love Fedora but it is the bleeding edge and like the idea of CentOS stream being directly downstream from that and then hardened there and making it's way into RHEL... and let the clones downstream from that follow. We'll have to see how this works in practice of course.
As a Rocky Linux 8.6 user, and a 3D artist that depends on Autodesk Maya, Renderman and some major 3D apps, Those companies don't upgrade the software they do (closed) python version to the lastest. I have issues with the Old GlibC (2.28) that is a nightmare. I miss Arch distros, but I'm just need to know what can I do to use those fancy Distros without breaking the apps with the software updates . . . If yout can install Renderman or Maya with Newer python version, I'm all ears.
Try Rocky 9 in a VM. If that doesn't work try Alma 9 in a VM. Alma 9 has Python 3.10 and Rocky 9 has Python 3.9 (which is probably updated to 3.10, too, by now).
@@cheebadigga4092 That's the problem, python 3.10 still too new for my needs
@@digitalpotato4867 oooh now I understand. I got it the other way around, sorry.
@@digitalpotato4867 But there's pyenv. You can install any Python version with that and switch the default version as you go.
@@cheebadigga4092 it's ok, now that you understood, maybe new suggestions can appear . .. maybe
Excellent content, thanks for the info.
That beard is becoming epic.
Been deploying two almalinux server one for testing, another one for production. Being non profit organization is what I prefer for
You have my subs, RHEL make sense if you a big company running multiple tons of servers in datacenter or even middle size company having own infrastructure.
You help connect my thoughts, a good teacher
For me, Red Hat derivatives are the only flavors that feel like I would have to pay 1000 dollars to use, like Darwin/MacOS. Feels "premium." A lot of good choices made. Everything is tightly integrated.
The security is grade-A for a general-use workstation too. Nice peace of mind there.
For most use cases though, I just use the UBI docker image and install whatever I want in it - like a development environment. Otherwise for daily use Fedora fits the bill just fine.
@@starkfuture1057I agree with you. I like that there's an option for those that want to keep a specific version of GNOME for longer than the two years that Fedora supports their releases.
I'm considering moving to a RHEL derivative once Fedora 37 goes end-of-life due to the incidental killing of a feature where you could super+scroll while grabbing a window to move it to another workspace. Wanna keep GNOME 43 for longer than F37 allows.
The free sub for rhel isn't a hassle...
I agree; I have it - you need to register once when installing it, then that's it.
Which version of red hat should I download? X86?
Love ♥️ Red Hat! Proud to be a RedHatter!
I'm surprised nobody has really gotten on RedHat's case for pulling a Microsoft on CentOS. Support, Integrate, Obsolete, it's literally Microsoft's internal tagline for handling competition.
Superb. Thanks.
Any advice which linux is best for 32bit computers/laptops and for people who want leave windows and who are not so tech savy? Tried puppy/beaver was painful (sucked),MX sort of OK but updates are suspicious, knoppix works fine frome live disc but after instalation no sound (HDMI). And could you explain/help in human language please...
I think AntiX linux could be useful. Its main target is old computers.
@@bossscast QL name u got 😎👍
And thanks for advice
Somebody know how to Install i3wm on almalinux 8/9?
Do these rhel clones make a good desktop OS?
rhel for the win.
Very rough algorithm to choose a distro:
You have Linux experience?
1. No.
1.1. You like Gnome more?
Ubuntu
1.2. You like KDE more?
Kubuntu
2. Yes.
Then you know better.
thank you, very cool
im basically completely new to linux here, i used mint for a few months one time and that one my first taste of linux, I loved the freedom from microsoft trackers and forced software and didn't mind moving to other software alternatives but i eventuallygave in and switched back to windows after some shortcomings for my personal use. there was no way to use autodesk software on that distro, im now finding out about other distros and someone told me to look up red had ditros. im confused on what would be good to use as a new user who moslty does your general media consumption but also uses maya for content creation. can anyone tell me whats the most user freindly distro that also supports maya? EDIT: Ive been using Fedora for a few days now and officially uninstalled windows form my laptop. I do want to figure how how to do passthrough with vms tho mostly because i want to play VR games again and i can't do that with my wmr headset (reverb G2)
I'm sure you already know about this but a great resource for Fedora as well as Linux in general is Linux Questions (website, given UA-cams track record I'm not giving you the website but a quick search on your favorite internet search engine should get you there.
I'm curious - what is it that would draw one to the Red Hat-based branches of Linux rather than Debian and its derivatives?
Using it for work is a big one for people, cause Red Hat is big in business. Some people like it so much they bring it home.
People that like GNOME usually use Fedora because you get the stock GNOME experience.
Why is opensuse not included? Thought it was based on red hat.
it uses rpm package manager from red hat but it stops there
Thank you sir. You deserve a fine Pennsylvania Flatbed Cigar for your efforts.
Do you have a public PO Box?
CentOS ❤
AlmaLinux is the best one by far.
I was wondering if a company not even related to IT can use things like Linux, OnlyOffice etc fully legally. Somebody maybe has an experience? Recently in one shop I saw Ubuntu on PC so I guess it has to work somehow
There's actually less legal obstacle using open source software than proprietary software. The main thing that gets in the way is corporate preferences.
@@TechHut so for example a small company of two people can without any issues run Mint on its computers, use OnlyOffice to edit spreadsheets and Firefox to browse the web without any need to pay the companies who created them?
Hi, I'm from the enterprise B2B - IT Security . Except Oracle Linux/(ALMA)Ubuntu, all of them are not relevant for the market. And you should not install any other Linuxs distros, becauses they will not be there in 10 years. Fedora has no LTS - that is for the enterprise market important than lot of other argument(stability and LTS ). Do not waste your time.
May we please do not have best for me but one just good enof for everyone? Pleeeeeese?
I don’t really get what they did with CentOS. The entire purpose was to be a rebuilt of RHEL, and they just decided it wasn’t going to be? Now it’s upstream of RHEL. Kinda defeats the entire purpose.
CentOS wasn't surving any purpose for Red Hat anymore. CentOS Stream does. So while Red Hat no longer does a RHEL clone, they're (we're) not stopping others from creating a clone.
RHEL, Oracle Linux, CentOS, and the likes is good but why not just use Fedora Server or Ubuntu Server or Debian Linux or OpenSUSE Linux?
I'm not quite sure why anyone would go for anything other than RHEL/CentOS, Oracle Linux, Fedora Linux or Ubuntu Linux considering that Red Hat/Fedora/Oracle and Canonical provide world-class leading technical support which some of these other distributions just do not provide which makes me question why they even exist since what SysAdmin wants to use unsupported software/software with little to no documentation...?
Because there are official support for Maya or Renderman or many others. Blame Disney and Autodesk for not using the latest Python 3.10
Release cycle is very important factor. Fedora Server is 1 year while RHEL clones are usually 5-10 years.
Can someone actually explain to a dumb guy like me why Rocky Linux is slower? According to this 6:40
"The reports of my death has been greatly exaggerated"
I thought Zorin was a good Fedora "alternative"
Zorin OS is a Ubuntu definitive which makes it part of the Debian family. It's an alternative to Fedora for a Desktop user.
@@Thomas.Saunders I realized I was thinking of Nobara or however it's spelled. Nabora Naboro whatever it is
been using Nobara OS for my gaming set up myself which is basically Fedora optimised for gaming.
Aged like milk
It actually aged well now that everyone wants to get rid of Red Hat
I STILL can't get over how Red Hat gave CentOS 8 LESS SUPPORT THAN 7. That makes me never want to use RHEL-based distros... and combined with the Fedora codecs issue... Yeah, Arch for me.
More than 50% of the video is about CentOS. Anyway, Alma Linux is BAD... VERY BAD regarding support. It projects itself as 'By The Community... For The Community'. But if you look into the 'Support' section of their Forum, you will see that most of the questions are unanswered. If their support be like this, I am afraid it will end up in the garbage.
Free is great
Debian.
Oracle Linux is best.
You do realize that Oracle Linux is just re branded RHEL? With the Red Hat copywrite parts removed? The binaries are actually signed by Red Hat.
@@robbylock1741 Yes, that to be is what makes it so good.
Since you can get a free Developer's subscription from Redhat, you might as well just use it.
The restrictions on the Developer accounts make it so that it can not be deployed as broadly as CentOS used to be in a business setting! (Retried Unix/Linux System Admin with 20+ years). The standard WAS to use CentOS for a Development server, a Test server and RHEL for production. Developers work on the Dev server, once the code is ready, it is deployed on the Test server and checked by QC and users before ever being deployed on production!!! Using the development license for test servers would be a violation (yeah the license compliance people would be all over that!) so an alternative is needed. MOST of the admins I'm still in contact with have chosen Rocky Linux but that is not to say AlmaLinux is not a good fit too.
@@robbylock1741 I realize that; my suggestion was not really for those who want to deploy it Enterprise-wide.
Be Smart = Limux Mint XFCE.
Using vzlinux and oracle linux here, everything works well
How is this even tolerable by linux fans and officianardos linux has always been free ... paying for documentation and support ibget but making you pay to use software that should be free is just not on
god that UI look ugly no matter what.
These are mostly used for servers. GNOME is really only featured so it's just not a talking head the whole time.
@@TechHut dont pay attention from this LTTs Trolls/bots...