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Thank you, thank you, thank you! My wife and I appreciate this! She just got another job after the last one dropped her when she got ill, and we are privileged enough to have relatives who are helping by paying for a year's worth of rent at a new 1br 650 ft² apartment, which is quite the improvement over our 200 ft² studio filled with mold and 2 years late on rent. Once we're settled in, we will become patrons at the highest tier we can afford - hopefully, this will help pay your bills and keep you alive. You do important work, and it's truly unfortunate that you don't reach the audience you deserve and that a sizeable chunk of the people who could benefit the most from hearing your words are unreachable on this medium. We both hope these things will change in the near future! Much love, Jenn & Atlas Veldine
I said in the first upload that if you fixed it I would join your patreon, now I'm an Ally! For what it's worth your video reignited the fire in my heart when I was taking the doomer pill. Also while only speaking for myself, I enjoy your natural cadence as it give time for thinking about heavy subject matter, also love your music choices in your early videos. Keep up the great work!
Can we just be people? It seems to me what makes a "good man" or "good woman" are the qualities that make a good human being. Manage your emotions and meet your responsibilities. Beyond that, I think, as Yugo implies, the task is to define what masculinity or femininity is TO YOU. What feels right for you, helps you live. Not what the Man tells you.
Here's a pro gamer tip from a masculine man, pretend that everyone is also a man. It pretty much does the exact same thing, and you get to be with more high value individuals when everyone are men.
@@roxannedunstanharvey4898 Well, sure, norms change. I still thing it's important to have a healthy and compelling offer for people men for whom masculinity is an important part of their identity.
@@maxermrh1979 I personally don't understand why people need to make what they perceive as associated with their genitals, their whole personality. I was honestly surprised when I was perceived as very masculine. Then I realized most people have to basically perform a stereotype in order to feel ok about themselves. I just don't get why we need to revolve around the most emotionally immature members of our society.
@@roxannedunstanharvey4898 I personally understand it. We develop identities around our enduring traits, our lived experiences and our social connections. Having a male body plays a role in all of it, but it's not only about the body, let alone the genitals. At some point, the identity becomes it's own thing, and the dissonance between the identity you feel and a reality that undermines it can be extremely painful. I'm an athlete, and it has always been an important part of my identity. If I lost my legs, that would be catasthrophic for my mental wellbeing. If you told me that you don't understand why some people base their entire identity around throwing balls, you'd just be offensive and out of touch. It would be more useful (and compassionate) to help me broaden my understanding of athleticism so that I can exercise this key pillar of my identity in a new way. Like aiming for the paralympics, or hand-pedaling my way accross europe.
“the father and daughter will make fun of the mother together, but this will not save the daughter from the fate of the mother.” it’s not an exact quote but i think it’s important
Too important. It shows so much how solidarity among all of us should be taught from very early on. And how I, before I started to educate myself, fell so short in my own behaviour towards other women.
This is actually a real thing that happens more often than we think, children, especially but not exclusively sons joining their fathers in their misogynistic treatment and attitudes towards their mother, ruining their relationship with her and affecting the way they see and treat women for the rest of their lives.
Very good quote! Checked it out and it's by Bonnie Burstow, full quote being: "Often father and daughter look down on mother (woman) together. They exchange meaningful glances when she misses a point. They agree that she is not bright as they are, cannot reason as they do. This collusion does not save the daughter from the mother’s fate.”
I remember hearing someone say, "Men who hate women want to reduce women to sex slaves, breeders, and homemakers, whereas women who hate men just want to keep away from men." While I don't condone misandry or misogyny, it does go to show that even the most misogynistic men don't actually want to live apart from women so much as they want to control them. The same can't really be said for women, who don't necessarily feel like their femininity is compromised without a man around to validate it.
that's just plain false I've heard women who hate men say to lock men up in cages and use them as slave labour and spend farms your just cherry picking to make a point.
Exactly this. Misandry was developed as a protection mechanism and its core it's just "men stay away from me" nothing more and men took that personally
Phaha what? You have not been in any college campuses lately then. Men are "ALL evil, are ALL potential rapists, are ALL disgusting, ALL violent". There's also plenty of talk of genociding men and reproducing with "bone marrow". You are delusional if you think it's like this. Women reduce themselves to sex object on the daily. Men are angry about those types of girls. The men, who are incels, are just lonely misguided people. You should frequent to any red-pill community, since that's what this video is trying to argue about. The only comments you'll see is "bitches ain't shit" or "all women are cheaters" and also "not all women are like this, they need jesus". Even the black pill community isn't the "women hating" baddies you seem to think they are. Just misguided.
@@MALICEM12 it's not that she hasn't met them judging by her comment I'm sure she's just one of those people who will say. "a lady who abuses a man isn't as bad as the other way around becuase ladies can't do that much damage" any time a lady does something bad she will simply make an excuse for it and men a man those something bad she will pretend that he represents all men.
As a woman, it’s definitely strange to witness on social media just how obsessed men are with women, especially how much they get offended. To me, toxic masculinity is masculinity that revolves around women and uses women as a scapegoat but so many men get upset when you mention that to them.
Because you're using your own definition of toxic masculinity, lol, and using the word's reputation to beat men. If I said to me narcissist bitch is someone who likes redefining the meaning of toxic masculinity, then you'd be a narcissist bitch and you might be upset about it.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 wow look who’s crying and shitting themselves over the mention of toxic masculinity, proves my point exactly. You don’t get to speak about the reputation of words when men have waged a war on the word feminism, a concept for equal human rights. Like how evil can you be?
@@lorenzomizushal3980 wow look who’s crying and shitting themselves over the mention of toxic masculinity, proves my point exactly. You don’t get to speak about the reputation of words when men have waged a war on the word feminism, a concept for equal human rights. Like how evil can you be?
This "Crisis of Masculinity" pretends like neurodivergent men don't exist. It's so weird. As a neurodivergent man myself (specifically autistic), there are some things which I epitomize this odd chauvinistic, and seemingly fascistic, model of a man. And then, in other ways, I am the absolute antithesis of other ideas in their odd fantasy. I'm stoic not because I hide my feelings, it's because I'm still learning to express myself, which I do by mirroring people. And then, I have fascinations with a variety of things outside the traditionally masculine things. Isn't it enough that I have interests that make me happy? Isn't it enough that I'm working on myself to be a better person? I can't quite grasp the appeal of the masculinity these types of men try to portray. It seems exhausting.
Welcome to the commodification of human beings. These misogynist influencers thrive on guilting and looping you into a business model. The same business model used to force insecurities and doubts into women, just reflective of the “ideal” men want to see in themselves. If you aren’t like him, then you’re bad and you need to work harder and grind so you can drive super car and have risky sexual relations with girls at clubs. Buy my course, subscribe, watch my livestreams so my hateful rhetoric can make you despise yourself some more. Give you who you are, feed into my ego, and give me your money.
unless you're openly miserable, any shade of not normal is always gonna challenge your typical bro. and much like the lesser apes the only impulse is to destroy whatever challenges. what i find ironic is when lobster boy aggrandizes physical conflict like he's ever been in one. medieval jordan would be someones purse dog if he was lucky, the clever types ALWAYS find themselves at the bottom of these hierarchies they so vocally champion. i hate to gatekeep(being quite masculine and forceful with neurotypicals when need be says i can, though), but the men most obsessed with masculinity aren't. at all.
I grew up pretty much sheltered away from girls who weren't in my family or friends of the females in my family. My dad is a very chill kind of person who's always questioning and updating why he ever needs to do x or y. He was also really busy trying to get us out of poverty so I saw him around once a month. He never drank after my youngest sibling was born and rarely showed "patriarchal" tendencies in our house. I also attended an all boys boarding school so most "men" there were academics who didn't need to pose as super manly. So by the time I graduated and entered tertiary education I was wondering why I need to sleep with everything that moves or love cars or do any male stereotype thing. I am pretty awkward around social settings and but growing up the way I did let's me see that trying to be a "traditional man" would be draining to my mental health and I would probably go into a catastrophic meltdown in my middle ages trying to conform to it.
The masculinity crisis, I believe is more about men who are LOST. There are people like Tate who exploit this, but young men are in crisis because they are demoralized and hopeless by a system that values nothing but production. Even war is nothing more than a business and this isn't enough motive for 'normal' men to fight for their country. This can lead to Nihilism and hedonistic coping, which is the real manufacturer of weakness.
I mean, you aint wrong, like gender differences do exist from mental health stastics to even the concept of trans people, you need that concept of gender differences with that. Genrally, women are more into emotions while men are more into things. I have many other things to say but like the manosphere or just men that just want to be men and not follow society norms.
Fight as a solider, work long hours to provide for your family, dont complain... Masculinity always seems to revolve around either aspiring to be at the top of a hierarchy, or to serve it. Curious.
Yup “Masculinity” is hierarchical in nature. Hofstedes Country Categorization of Feminine and Masculine come to mind. Countries ranking in high masculinity (Arab/African countries) are very hierarchal, and those ranking the most Feminine (Scandinavian) are the most egalitarian.
That's why we say patriarchy and capitalism is pretty much the same thing. Our whole patriarchal idea is just finding symbolic means to establish hierarchy. They say: first came sedantariness, the idea of property, then sexism and that was the first prototype of any hierarchy/classist system. And not every sedantary culture got down that path. And nomadic cultures f.e. were equitable much longer, I heard. But sadly that was the system that superseded all the others. Cause it is fast. It has fast conquering qualities, cause it externalises care and second-guessing/shame to the symbolic group of women* and oppress that, so that the other group can overgrow other qualities. No stabilizing or sustainable qualities, that caring shame and second guessing bring, but fast profit. That's where we are.
@@bulbasaur1232 And interestingly enough, there are always tons of people trying to escape highly "masculine" countries to move to the "feminine" or more egalitarian ones.
@@WeCaredALot Not really. USA, Japan, Germany all scored high when he did that survey. ALSO it's NOT a hierarchical index, that's a separate index within the model called Power Distance! This was one of my uni projects so I remember what all the indexes were and actually mean.
they told me that my behaviour and actions are ''not masculine enough''.. I replied that whatever I do is masculine, because whatever I do defines masculinity 😎😎😎
Hi Dimitri, I learned in my Dreaming to not argue with the other dream characters in regards to how they perceive me, not unless I can find a dream mirror first, so I can see myself they way they see me. Dimitri, if people are telling you that you are lacking in certain masculine traits, well, why are you so eager to resort to tactics of Denial? You can't redefine masculinity by renouncing the Masculine. Science has drawn the Masculinity to Femininity Axis, and it follows down from Humans into the Animals too. Yeah, be whoever it is you are, but don't try to muddle everybody else's common sense communications with your Smoke Screen of Denial.
Exactly the manosphere is so freaking hollow, it's all about hating women and going on and on about how inferior they are but you also base your entire self worth on getting said women. Its just all about control, since a woman can work for themselves and choose their partners all these left out guys feel desperate and hopeless and gravitate towards extremely reactionary movements spiraling into a cycle of hate.
No, if you think about it, man suffered a lot before the woman rights movement. Doing 12-14 hours of hard labor a day to support his family is what life looked for a man not that far back. Tell me how the man had it better before. In fact, the only reason the woman rights movement happened, and the reason it didn't happen earlier, was that due to industrialization jobs got easier. And to clarify you, you are wrong. I'm let's say in the manosphere, and don't hate woman in general. I only think that what is promoted as the modern woman, is disgusting in the sens that is imoral ( and yes I'm talking about abortion, hook up culture, not wanting to be a mother...) But that's not the majority of woman. And you're also wrong about me and most man basing our entire self worth on woman, no I don't give a fuck about the tipe of woman I talked earlier, I can get all the sex I want, It's called prostitutes, and I only dated woman who I considered morally worthy to be with me, since I reapeat, I feel no attraction for the new modern woman, not even sexually. And yes, that worked great for me, I'm now 2 years happily married with a great woman.
Well since women been given the power to choose whom to give her love or sex too. Have they been responsible with that said power or not. Or do they gravitate to the rich and elite men only leaving the poor proletariat in the dust. So we have here the new selfish women who global capitalism have given more agency then men.
As a woman, i want to share a more nuanced perspective that is not really talked about. Men are taught to relate to women in broadly 2 ways - 1. As a sexual partner 2. Like their male buddies There is a third way of relating to women which will open for men a whole world of fulfilling friendships. That is the way women relate to each other- being vulnerable, looking for emotional support and listening and opening up to each other. Some of you might be surprised to know that women can give you all this not just as partners, but also as friends. Men might do this for each other occasionally, but they sometimes have to balance it out the discomfort of it with making jokes about things you might not be ready to laugh about
@@christianlima987 No, that's not what i said. I said you can develop meaningful emotional connections with friends, it is not just something reserved for partners
It's almost like critical thinking is a super power that many think they have, but few actually do. This is a great video because it goes beyond the ravings of individual idiots and demolishes the rotten foundations on which they build their sand castles.
Hi Marcin, honestly, this is what you said: "It's almost like critical thinking is a super power that many think they have, but few actually do. This is a great video because it goes beyond the ravings of individual idiots and demolishes the rotten foundations on which they build their sand castles." Was this a confession that you are one of the vast majority that is incapable of critical thinking? It must be. You found nothing the matter with this video, Yugopunks most incoherent video by far. He fails to point out that children show masculine and feminine traits as children, with boys acting M, and girls acting F, unless in cases where we can predict later Gender Identity Issues to crop up. Where is the discussion of Masculinity and Femininity in the Animal Kingdom, or in terms of evolution. No, this Video was just a required hodge-podge. I suppose whatever Anarchist Organization that controls him required this of him, whether he like it or not. That is why he taped this video while he was drunk, accounting for all the slurring of words. Really, when the Chicks take over my Anarchist Organization, I guess it'd be time to turn Fascist... I mean Populous, which is the good way of saying it.
@@leovolont I don't know why you bothered to type a long reply when none of your points are in any way salient to the video. You're using a pretend-intellectual tactic of saying something without pointing out why it's even relevant (which is a very Petersonian thing to do). You also demonstrate that you don't have children (or intend to have them in the future), and that you're fine being an anarchist until women, in which case you prefer to be a fascist. I mean, lol, my dude, it's the internet, you can just say you're a fascist if you feel like it! You don't have to say "I'm pro-human rights and decentralized power, until women get in power, then I'm against women's rights and pro-dictatorship". Your timing is also incredibly ironic, considering that a fascist party has just won power in Italy and their leader is... a woman! I won't address your insults directed at Yugopnik, discussing such attacks is pointless - you hate his vids, I like them, whatever. I have no clue why you bother commenting here if you dislike it so much, you're giving him free engagement.
@@PainxSorrow Yeah, but the Left has no monopoly on Agenda Driven Propaganda. Every Political Consultant out there, Right or Left is making money by influencing marginally educated True Believers into believing that they actually understand what it is they are supposed to pretend to understand. Talk to any of them, Right or Left, and ask them to explain, and they just start whipping out Reading Lists, and UA-cam Video recommendations. Monkey See, Monkey do. You are probably very close to realizing the Truth yourself, that this Agenda that is pushing you seems so important to you, but the only thing you are certain about is that you can't explain any of it and that you are taking it entirely on Faith... Faith that what you Want So Much To Hear is actually true. But it was just Psychological Bait, and they caught you like they've caught millions of others. But you think it's only a Left Wing problem.
@@leovolont Children and animals showing "masculine/feminine traits" is less of a sign of predisposed biology and more that we actively assign values or traits to men and women on what we think they should be; if boys act destructive or protective of their things or girls act motherly with dolls, it's not because they're "manly" or "womanly"-they're just kids doing what they see around them, and we simply judge them off of what we consider men and women to do. Animals are an even worse example, some of them have completely different hierarchies/behaviors and the idea of alpha/beta families was prove false a long time ago. The video is already 15 minutes long, and adding that many ideas would just muddy up the main claims the dude was trying to make. I disagree with some points in the video, but you really added nothing to the conversation and the fact that you need to debunk the video's premise on the idea of "they're being controlled by some agenda/higher power" is ridiculous and proves you have very little to base your claims on. Also "critical thinking" is just the ability to evaluate ideas and make rational judgements off of them- that is literally what what we are all trying to do, even if we disagree on some points
And herein lies the problem - a woman not wanting a partner or children is unthinkable in the eyes of "traditional" masculinity, because the goal if "traditional" masculinity is to score women.
it's only the losers who speak like that and I'm saying this as a woman. Other men are usually friendly and minding their business, they have no issues with working women, single women, young women, old women, "whatever the heck" women...
If men's self-respect depends on him provide and protect women just because their gender, is it really a self-respect? Provide and protect because you voluntarily love and dignify your lover/spouse, not because societal pressure or their definition of masculinity...
hilarious because the entire existence of women relies on men providing for them, all the hard jobs are done by me and man are the biggest tax payers, our gynocentric society is redistributing men's hard earned wealth to women and projects for women.
Exactly 💯 thank you I find it so abusive towards men that society only makes men feel important when they protect and provide for women not because they love them but as if men own women something other than basic respect... No matter why men end up hating and objectifying women and yet measuring their self worth from the quantity of them... Just like women end up hating men because they're told measure their self worth from the sacrifices they give for men... It's a vicious cycle..
I agree, self-sacrifice should only be admired when it's a choice. it shouldn't be required. a lot of men expect cookies for playing their parts but then get hurt when their gendered sacrifices are met with "Don't reward people for something that's expected", unfortunately, it means that what men work so hard to be recognized for, isn't even "praiseworthy". where is the self-respect in that? that you sacrifice yourself only to be told that your sacrifice is meaningless because it's expected of your sex. it's why a lot of female culture has drifted away from its toxic aspects, it's time male culture does the same thing.
Coincidentaly most of people who does that(at least around here) is in some kind of way great fans of economic liberalism.. maybe it comes with the alt-right package tho
What question of the soul? The market logic explains why only a fraction of men have historically been able to pass their genes on, why incels are a thing, why tinder and the like are so good at exploiting people, why women so frequently turn to sex work despite it hurting their chances at finding a partner. There’s no questions of the soul being answered there
As a kid raised during the Cold War, masculinity was associated with taking care of business and having the power to cause mayhem and tragedy and yet not doing that. So: paying your electric bill, making sure your drunk buddy got home safely and most importantly, not letting a nuclear war get accidentally started. In the aughts (2000-2009) we learned that all these things (paying bills, keeping others safe, etc.) actually fell into the realm of adulting (id est, being an adult) considering that our leaders in the US were conspicuously not doing this, and were, rather, doing what they wanted with power rather than exercising good governance. In the post MAGA era, manhood actually seems to be about defying maturity, choosing to seize power yet reject responsibility, as if men were just id creatures running on adrenaline and taking the shortest distance to eating, sleeping, fighting or fucking. Once I reached this point, I rejected masculinity entirely as something to preserve or achieve, and instead took to the ethic of dealing with matters as an adult, whether that means compromising over what we have for dinner, not letting predators (capitalist or otherwise) take advantage of vulnerable people or giving ideological enemies all benefits of doubt before launching a world-ending retalitory strike.
I wonder if there is a greater reason behind "seizing power and rejecting responsibility" many men are feeling now? It seems there is no reward for the responsibilities of a man in today's age. Why grind to no reward, work half your week away week after week only to come home everyday lonely with no family and no purpose beyond your capitalist wage job. Telling them it's sexist or "uncivilized" to embrace masculinity is only pouring gas on an already large fire that has been spreading for some time. And it will only lead to the destruction of Society as we know it, if the young men of today start to fall into nihilism and get smart enough to point fingers at the problems. It will rightfully lead to a rebellion against capitalism and the "modern world" but also go too far putting women in bonnets and dresses. Not saying it wasn't a long time coming (it has been), but it's against what is right.
Beautiful writing. Seems like 'masculinity' and 'femininity' in the *near past* was about being 'human' just in the most naturally-efficient ways. Our true enemies has never been other than the cipolla-grade stupids anyway.
@@Uriel238 what has captlisitm to do with cultural definition of musclinty? Also you obviously didn't live in a socialist country before to think socialist thinking has no effect on culture.
As a tall fit guy who was very much a weasel younger, THANK YOU. People like you should be heard . The idea of masculinity is so spiteful today it's sickening to see these poor insecure guys (who I can relate with), instead of confronting their fears and weaknesses they turn to escapist so called traditional masculinity so they feel down in their own dark abyss superior by nature and have a chivalry like duty to protect these weak little creatures.Keep up the good work brother Love from Greece 🇬🇷
@@abu-karz offer something other than height. Get fit, rich, and be a genuinely good person. Change the things you can change. Get a woman who also works on improving herself.
Great and very important video. Actually, adding to this point, even f.e. Hitler himself was so against women's rights and for the household slave idea of women, because he had extremely low self-esteem and thus didn't muster up the courage (also since she was an aristocrat and he a failed student/a worthless person from the capitalist view) ask the one he had a crush on (in a very creepy way) out. So if women would have been a sort of object, he would, in his mind, perhaps have had a chance or rather she would have been unable to refuse him. Generally speaking, he blamed every personal failing on the generel subject itself (He was bad at dancing, so dancing itself is bad). It's more or less explained in the work of the psycholigist Alice Miller "For your own good", I think. But behind these anti-women sentiments, you will almost certainly find men unconsciously with a fragile self-esteem.
I think it's important to ask ourselves "Why do so many men have such fragile self-esteem?" and "Why do they react to a lack of self-esteem in this particular way?" The answers are systemic, I think, and not meaningfully a result of a fault of the character of one particular man. So many men are insecure because they are pushed into being insecure, and they react to that insecurity with increasingly reactionary violence because that reaction is less threatening to the status quo than something healthier and more self-affirming.
@@christianlove2473 Well, the reasons for why have already been explained by Yugopnik. F.e. capitalist expectations/capitalist societal norms and the inability to fulfill these because the same system doesn't allow for it. Frustrations are levelled at some scapegoat by the ruling class and -tada!- women are now the metaphorical or literal punching bags for men (grossly summarized, I know). Catholics (the catholic church) f.e. already used the same mechanisms for centuries as well.
@@christianlove2473 I think it's even just because many men's environment's (women too, I suppose) are super insecure, and so their psychology becomes a reflection of their environment. Like, they have no secure friends, no secure or predictable or reliable connections, of course they're, at that point, insecure. It's still all due to some environmental factor, but then of course, if you have low self-esteem, if you're insecure, it's easier to blame yourself for not being "alpha male enough to succeed" than it is to blame the system for not being succeedable. Especially if every other part of your framework is also tied into this reliance on your own personal failings or insecurity to hold up.
It is Ironic because Hitler hated his dad and was a momma's boy. So it looks like after his mom's death he was always in desperate need of women's attention.
@@234fddesa I think many of such people initially understood that their failure was mainly from the failure of the system but they couldn't speak out against the system as they are but a small collection of individuals. And like you said, they are insecure. As a result, they adopted a coping mechanism by instead of blaming the system they blamed themselves for not being able to fit in with the crowd.
Yep, as a guy that nearly went down this path, you are 100% correct. Everything I grew up believing about what I was supposed to be, what a woman was supposed to be, what a relationship was supposed to be was wrong. If you’re given the wrong map to walk through a minefield, you can get angry with the map or get angry with the minefield, no matter what situation it is in life. The problem is the map and too many men and women don’t realise it. The reason they get angry is because they are literally trying to force reality to be different to what it is. Which is why they get nowhere. The sooner you stop treating the opposite sex as a enemy, to be conquered or decoded, and actually treat them like human beings and individuals, the further you will get and the less resentment you will build. They’re just women, they’re not princesses, they’re not aliens, they’re just people.
The biggest mistake youll make as a man is to think that women are just like us but with different genitalia. The acceptance of that is the beginning of inner peace. I was redpilled before but Ive fallen down the rabbit hole of the black pill. It's more realistic but for those who are disadvataged it could be really depressing that's why some of them kill themselves
@@blacksatanist my point is the gameplaying and not treating each other properly because we literally act like we are two different versions of human beings when it’s really not all that complicated. We are unnecessarily overcomplicate it because of bullshit traditions and age old stories about the way, men and women need to behave when trying to court one another, it’s just bullshit that gets in the way of people finding one another. they’re so busy reading their book or instruction manual, and the person is right in front of them.
It is all about the environment and the time in which you were born, that you do not understand the meaning of manhood because you were born with your mind implanted in it that the man becomes a female and the female becomes a man
A couple of years ago I found myself wondering about what "being a man" meant to me. I really struggled to find an answer, so I thought "well, what should a man be and how should he behave?" and tried to answer that. After coming up with one or two principles the next question was: "Would those principles change or become invalid if I were a woman?" No, not really. In the end, I still don't have an answer, but I don't really feel to need to have one. I like a lot of "feminine" stuff, I like hanging out with women regardless of whether I'm interested in them or not, and I don't give a duck about the "traditional male role". I don't know if that makes some kind of non-binary, honestly it's not that important to me, I still identify as a man but it's just a tiny bit of my identity and definitely not the most important.
honestly, people aren'T monoliths and will never really fit these gender roles 100%. It's amazing that you're comfortable with yourself and honestly that's the most important.
You can still be a man and not fit what society tells you a man is, that’s different than knowing you aren’t a man, y’know? Though that’s for you to decide.
The same argument can be applied to what it is to be a women. Its like this question are more philosophical than objective. This are literally dumb questions. Its like saying what makes me more of a human. Nothing. Human is just a species. But you can associate morality to humanity in a philosophical way and go from there.
As a woman also living in the balkans,i appreciate this video so much. Every day i see groups of teenage boys forcing themselves to be more extreme,loud and outright hateful and dangereous to "proove themselves" to their friends. I myself dress very neutrally when it comes to gender and my boyfriend does too. I like wearing more boxy clothes and my boyfriend paints his nails,both of us like using makeup.We get harrassed everyday and we have been attacked multiple times. I have to carry around pepper spray everywhere i go out of fear of an attack happening again. I truly hate how intolerant my generation is,becouse we wouldnt have that situation if insecurity and mental health awarness was accepted and openly discussed,aswell as having a more modern perspective on gender.
Thanks for saying this. I know a military veteran who was kicked kicked out of military leadership school because he cried after a miscarriage and argument with his girlfriend. Not weeping, just 1 long tear and a short one as he spoke to (mature) first line instructor of the class. The supervisor of the first line instructor kicked him out for being a p*ssy. "Real soldiers don't cry," he and another senior supervisor said... after being in the service after some years, like 5 or 6 years, and many combat service medals. Later, he had to return to speak to his own 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th line supervisor and explain his plight. This fake masculinity has plagued us all for eons and is just now killing us off. Again, thanks for your insight.
@@kingmelanin7468its a disgusting world we live in in so many ways. To expirience something that traumatic and horrible and be punished for daring to show it
It's become clearer to me over recent times that the terms "masculine", "feminine", "male" "female" etc. except in a narrow range of contexts, most notably in the medical field, are becoming more & more obsolete. I would actually say the terms are becoming more divisive & destructive for humans & society as a whole. I often wonder how much of the trauma & confusion around gender identity, for instance, is a direct result of these cultural stereotypes. As human beings, we have the whole spectrum of traits, & behaviours at our disposal, should we choose to ignore these gender stereotypes. We need to constantly question our cultures, and evolve beyond the aspects that no longer serve us. With nearly 8 billion humans on this planet, there is no longer an imperative for our pelvic brains to co-create more humans, instead, most could focus on co-creating a better model for society, which in itself will do more to sustain us as a species. An important & evolving conversation
True. As I've grown older, appearing and acting "feminine" has become significantly less important to me. Now, I prioritize taking care of my health and bettering myself as an individual.
say that again when it comes to cleaning up sewers or going to war. You need masculinity, all the other genders can only exist because of men sacrificing themselves against harsh reality.
@@arkgaharandan5881 or maybe that's just the conclusion that ppl who are born in a society in wich strict gender norms such as these are enforced, can come to easily while not actually engaging in anything but surface level avoidance of the topic.
Once in a while, there's a leftube video that feels special, not just reiterating the same ideas, but giving a refreshing viewpoint. This is one such video for me, thanks
@@tony_5156 I've personally enjoyed some of Hbomberguy's leftist content, although it's reactive nature can devoid it of meaning to some, so I wouldn't advise it if you'd rather listen about deep topics rather than "This is wrong, here's why". (The only notable exception to this being his vaccine video, with a pretty incredible conclusion that dissects vaccine alarmism)
Glad you remade this. It's still a little faster than you normally talk, but it isn't bad. (We're leftists, after all. We live droning on and listening to others drone on, right?) In all seriousness, though, keep up the good work!
@@Chris-xc1tm i can't tell if thats a joke...but if you listen to The Deprogram podcast, he speaks real-time very relaxed and thoughtfully lol and also very not addicted to coke 😛
You mean he re-made this for the BETTER. But I had been wondering how it could have been any worse. The video ignores some very important factors. First, there is sexual attraction between men and women, and it's not politically motivated. Secondly, that boys and girls, before they reach puberty, already evince the distinct characteristics of Masculinity and Femininity. Because this was Yugopunk's most incoherent work, I suspect he did it under coercion. Really, he IS an Anarchist, after all, and the Faction Bosses can get quite insistent. So he was either free to show his Factions support of the Fems, or free to fly out his 4th Story window.
@@kjdunne8683 Good Morning KJ. You ask me what I am talking about. Okay, read it again: " ... The video ignores some very important factors. First, there is sexual attraction between men and women, and it's not politically motivated. Secondly, that boys and girls, before they reach puberty, already evince the distinct characteristics of Masculinity and Femininity. Because this was Yugopunk's most incoherent work, I suspect he did it under coercion. Really, he IS an Anarchist, after all, and the Faction Bosses can get quite insistent. So he was either free to show his Factions support of the Fems, or free to fly out his 4th Story window." Now, if you have any problems understanding native English then copy and paste what it is you think you are misunderstanding, along with telling me what it is you think I must mean, and then I can guide you on your way so that you can turn your thinking more into conformance with mine, at least in regards to the intention of my communication. But, my first guess is that if you are so intellectually challenged as not to understand me the first time, then, even with tutoring, you probably just have certain intellectual limitations. I'm sure you must know what I'm talking about. For instance, you must know about what Grades you got in school. You must know that you've always done purely on Reading Comprehension Tests, right? Really, you should get used to the idea that if you do not understand what you are reading, it is probably not the fault of the Material, but with your own ability to Understand.
So true. We are making enemies of each other instead of helping each other in removing from the addictions of these instant gratifications. The bigger enemies are the corporates and old farts that pay billions to suck the living genuine out of the box thoughts of the common individual to make them mindless 9-5 zombies so they can keep earning for their lavish life.
As I said a few weeks ago to my partner of life and love : "I don't care about you being manlier than me or not. I express my masculinity and my feminity the way I feel is good. You express your masculinity and your feminity the way you feel is good. If our expression create issue in our couple, we sit and we talk. Because that's how we do." I love her so much I sometime have issue expressing it and I sometime feels like it may overwhelm her but...
but in order to create sexual polarity and atraction you need that difference, that masculine and femenine foces. Even gays know about it and act that way in the relationship.
Margaret Atwood said that The Handmaid's Tale was not supposed to be some dystopia but rather a reflection of real society and how its members view and objectify women. This seems rather on point and compatible with your thesis here.
Thanks! Love the video. I'm glad you touched on the consumerism aspect. Also, how it's not a new trick. The system does a great job making us chase our tail while the neglect the responsibility we place on them and abuse the power we give them.
I'm AFAB, but Nonbinary, partially because I'm a lot more comfortable in the healthy masculinity I've learned from my father than anything feminine. I'd always love to share with those guys what I learned from him but pretty sure they wouldn't listen to me lmao He's stoic in regards to helping people: "It's just what you do." He takes pride in apologizing when he did something wrong because it serves justice. While he usually keeps his emotions under wraps, I've seen him cry many times because it means earnesty. You can use the masculine concepts of strength to be kind.
What NOBODY wants to talk about is how much of this stuff comes from media, NOT people. Frankly I've never seen a woman cry in public. I've asked my wife, her friends never cry around their friends, I think ONCE was an exception and she was drunk. I've never understood the crying thing, I think the issue is 'showing weakness', which just seems bizarre.
@@mikearchibald744 I have and I’ve seen women cry in public, I made a friend that way actually 😊. At the same time, I agree it’s not a constant thing like how the media will have u believe
How I express masculinity is not by the dedication to a woman but by pursuing in my own life. If I then find a partner, I will of course want to take responsibility, but I would never stop my partner from her own achievements.
At age 34 I can say, not without some measure of guilt, that as a cis heterosexual male, in the last five to four years I have been dangerously close in fall down that rabbit hole, after a share of "bad experiences" in relationships, wich is another way to say (basically) relationships that made me leave with a badly bruised ego. Still, somehow, lately and also (in no small measure) thanks to a great woman that for some reason thinks I'm the best thing that happened to her, I have found myself posing that same question multiple times. "What is masculinity?" In the end, the only answer that makes some sort of sense in my head, now, is... just doing the best I can. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@@troodontidae9174 I was never insecure in femininity, because I never perceived myself as a woman and never identified as one. I was always perceiving myself as a human who happened to be a woman and has to go through all the objectification. And I also know women who felt like they aren't "women enough", because they're too tall, too flat, too loud. The majority of people a conformist and will view themselves as the society will dictate them, but a lot of people are uncomfortable with the rigid binary stereotypes.
Ugh, finally, some good discourse on masculinity. I'm glad we can have a frank discussion of how shitty traditional masculinity was just in general. Here's my story: In my family, my grandfathers were both selfish bastards, my great grandfathers abusive bastards, and so on up the lines as far back as I can find. My mom broke free of that, thanks to the opportunity afforded by the 2nd wave, and kept me and my brother away from all that mess. My dad, for his part, was still extremely selfish. He isn't a bastard, I'll grant you that, though by the way he treated our family dog when his health was failing, I sometimes wonder. As a guy, I feel lucky to have been raised with feminist ideas as the norm. The distinction between masculine vs feminine never struck me as particularly important identity, and it seemed perfectly natural to me to interact with the opposite sex all throughout childhood, whatever individual taste for either might be at any given time. Queer folk of all lifestyles seemed to be reasonable variants of the more common gender expressions and I found their outlook on gender as a whole to be much more compelling, despite the fact that I was a cishet guy myself. Most importantly, I felt like I had an absolute certainty of my masculinity's existence and integrity, as well as complete indifference to that fact as a relevant factor in my day-to-day. With respect to dating, on the other hand, what a mess. You mean to tell me that someone actually expect me to filter through complete stranger's classified ads one by one on a pay-to-win slot machine for hundreds of individual attempts to get the opportunity to fuckin talk to a girl? That's really the best they can do? And I mean, capitalism, of course it is. Seriously though in my experience, actually getting girls interested in you, you actually have to have a relationship entirely incidental to the attraction first. Never once have I pursued a girl successfully, and I don't have to. I treat women with respect and authenticity and some of them really like what they see and come to me. I have to wonder how much headache could be avoided if we actually put an effort into socializing kids to interact with other genders before it becomes a problem.
to that i ask did you actually watch stuff from jordan peterson or kevin samuels beyond the "hot takes"? because seriously they have tons of Material that goes into how men can improve themselves in detail how to talk to women ,how to dress,how to act , etc. of course many people dont watch it because they think tearing down women was the point and refuse to change Themselves thats why people more likely want to watch fresh and fit dunking on miami chicks and not kevin samuels schooling you to get your act together because kevin samuels did the same thing to men if not even more brutally honest and direct.
@@FigureOnAStick its fine that you dont need but many do like the ones who have no fathers and no male role Models this is exactly why they attract so many men
Thank you comrade! I am nonbinary and I've always struggled with what my masculine side was. How yo define it. And your words here finally helped me see and realize the shape of what that part of me is
I'm a cishet male and I still have no fucking idea what masculinity is when discarding the modern capitalist patriarchal toxic attitudes towards masculinity.
Correct me if I'm wrong but really, you considering yourself to be nonbinary, isn't that moreso a rejection of what classic masculinity looks like and you not fitting it, as well as not fitting in with what is stereotypical feminine? To elaborate I'm considering the material cause for why a person would identify as nonbinary. Perhaps people wouldn't feel a need to do so if society was just accepting of all men and women?
@@PurpleSnake nonbinary covers a wide range of ways of identifying. For my own personal story he was something I did for other people. But I'm also not female. I have a mixture of both
funniest part is I never even knew about that trick. We made it run faster because we thought it'd be easier for all the slow attention spans out there. Bad move haha
@@YUGOPNIK Yeah, bad idea. They can always speed it up on their end if they desire to, but the default speed should be "normal". Appreciate the reupload!
we need more level-headed respectful men like you to join in these import conversations. Gender liberation, while still focusing on those who are most marginalized: women and trans people, really does require the support and cooperation of All genders. Cis Men also benefit from the dismantling of harmful patriarchal systems, in the sense that a lot of the problems that plague cis male populations are a direct result of toxic masculinity standards backfiring into men themselves. The idea that men must be completely logical, stoic, unemotional, leads to the higher suicide rate in men because they feel emotions are “feminine”. The higher rate of men being denied custody of their children even if they are more qualified to be a parent, is a direct result of patriarchy labeling childcare as “womens work”. When we dismantle these systems together we ALL benefit.
None of those things you listed lead to a "higher" suicide rate. Because men only succeed more than women at suicide; women attempt it 2-3 times more often. The factors contributing to the "higher" rate are all related to why men are more successful at it (more access to firearms, less likely to consider the impact of dealing with the body, etc). Those things you listed are all very important to dismantle because they do cause men pain, but you shouldn't hold them up in the suicide statistic comparison to women, because then you're just being incorrect. Men are not denied custody more often, they just don't seek it out. When men *ask* for custody, most of them get it. They just either don't want the custody, or believe they won't get it and don't even try (which is a societal issue yes). But they certainly aren't being "denied" at a rate any higher than women. Again, there are issues contributing to the problem that should be looked into, but it's incorrect to frame it as being about the courts being "stacked against men", because they aren't. And you need to correctly identify a problem and its causes in order to solve it.
@@Zorae42 so I replied to this but I guess it didn’t post. It’s mostly common knowledge that the reason for “higher” statistics is because men are more likely to choose methods that would complete a suicide, instead of a failed attempt. However I did not want to stray too far off topic because I have adhd and dyslexia so I have to pick my battles when I’m writing. I’m also not trying to submit a formal essay to yoitube, so I only used a couple examples. I’m only saying this to mean I did not leave that bit of info out for malicious reasons or whatever… I mentioned custody because I see a lot of men say they have problems with this and list it as one of the reasons “masculinity is under attack” so this was more of an alternative reason for these claims rather than a judgement on whether the claims are correct. Hope that clears things up
@@morbidmanuscript9324 Oh, good to know! It's hard to tell because the MRA/Manosphere types like to trot out the suicide statistics and custody statistics as some sort of proof that men have it harder than women and just ignore the nuance present surrounding the statistics. They often frame them as examples of "men being disenfranchised by feminism". And it's just frustrating. That's cool that you do understand the nuance present and were just going for shorthand, but I do recommend framing them as issues men face rather than comparing them to women or you're going to keep getting this sort of reaction. Like: "Men have a high suicide rate" or "Men don't desire or think they can get custody". Because otherwise you're doing exactly what the video says and still comparing men to women instead of just focusing on yourselves.
I’ve discussed this topic a lot. If you think about why men have hobbies/jobs/achieve things, many times they say they did it for a woman. (To win her affection, to provide for her family, to look attractive to women, etc). It’s like a weird lack of self worth and codependence. Whereas woman in science never site a man for why they achieved their goals (maybe not never, but that’s not the main thing I ever hear). They achieved the goals because it was important to them, or the world, or because it was cool or interesting. You’re not gonna go around impressing men as a woman in stem lol Women in stem have to fight every step of the way to get there and stay there because they face so much discouragement. I never really thought about it like this video specially, but I have observed very similar things. Where some men find it very threatening that women can also do the jobs, roles, etc that men do because those men think that’s the only thing they are good for. How very sad.
Men are taught from an early age to objectify women. Women are a prize to be won, not a human being. They are a trophy and status symbol. Men chase success to attract women, but it is not in a noble or romantic way. It is a competition with other men and to appease their own egos. As he said in the video... their goal is to get laid. It has always been about sex and ego.
I have some experience with this topic, I'm a man and I have trouble finding goals and things to live for. Helping others achieve their goals and grow makes me more fulfilled than doing anything for myself. I feel like I don't belong in this world that's increasingly having less and less use for men. Physically difficult jobs are now done by machines and so my only unique trait I can offer the world is obsolete.
@@anitaremenarova6662 helping others is a good thing, and is a good thing to live for if that is what you are really passionate about :) It’s funny because woman are told they can’t do anything all the time (told they aren’t strong enough, smart enough, etc.) but woman do it anyway. And do it well. … (Despite media campaigns that say women can do it all, many are very discouraged from goals from their peers/families) I’m sure you have many traits that are very useful and unique apart from strength! And, there’s plenty of jobs that need strength, too. Machines replaced a lot of manual labor, but manual labor still exists in many fields like medicine, firefighters, farming, etc.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Seconding what Minty Hippo said. You might be able to do more than you think. Should you have the time, look up volunteer organizations in your area or mutual aid stuff. They always need extra hands and you'll find your niche-by necessity, if nothing else, since everyone can't do everything all the time. Also, no shame in trying to seek support or therapy (inasmuch as you can). You deserve good mental health and thinking you're worthless is, as you said, a by-product of systemic issues but we can try to steel ourselves. Doesn't mean we'll succeed, but the greatest first step is trying. Like Yugopnik said, a lot of self-improvement is to make us complicit with the system, however to seek inner strength so as to find effective ways of resisting the system (mutual aid!!! protest!!!!) is something we can try.
My book about this video, and my laziness to make sure it's grammatically correct. I'm going through an incredible period of growth. Having my son has given me time to reflex on who I am and who I want to be. The video tied something together in my brain. I was raised in a fundamental and abusive religious community without education and a now seemingly stereotypical poor treatment of women in those communities. Women can only find happiness through raising sperm to term, making sandwiches, and serving others. I have found incredible happiness though having a son, cooking every meal, and improving our home. That is not all I need. I need the dignity of education. I'm in college now. The joys and societal benefits of playing with chemicals aka chemistry. The happiness that comes with helping those in need and of course getting something you need. The hope I can change society for the better for my partner, son, and myself. The goal of preventing women being forced via the law to live as I lived in that depressing religious community that I long ago shed. The pleasure of pursuing human fulfillment. The End
you sticking around for your son and your partner is already setting a good example, even if things are difficult. you wanting to raise your son right, and not defaulting to archaic beliefs and strict traditions, is setting a good example. young boys these days are fed on the internet and pushed into misogyny before they can take their SATs. keep improving yourself and keep being honest with your family, and everything will work out.
I liked your book, I'd review it. hehe! Personal inner growth and the ways it translates into our external life and those around us for some reason seems to me, to be systematically underrated in current culture, sometimes altogether ignored. I am very happy for you. Greetings from Mexico
This is probably the most poggers take on masculinity I've seen put into words I find myself agreeing 100% Petition to make masculinity just being yourself, uncaring about all the arbitrary notions of the past, as long as you're not actively being a menace to others. Like as a father myself I always found it weird when other dads around me expressed this need to take care of their family, not because they care to do so, but because it's their "duty as a man" when that's really just twisted. It's not a duty as a man...it's a duty as a father, and that's entirely different than placating fragile notions of masculinity, it's literally just doing what a parent should do as someone who is obligated to do so when they made the active choice to bring a life into the world
perhaps, but this is exactly what the capitalist class wants. This is also how we ended up here with this level of inequality. Men basically rejecting that "toxic" rebellious violent streak and taking our wage slavery passively.
This was an amazing but refreshing viewpoint on this topic. It feels to have hit the deeper areas of the 'manosphere' where so few other videos barely even get close to.
Thank you for this video. There has been a rise of anti-women men and while I care about them finding their masculinity I questioned myself and wondered if my feminism was a problem against them. But for both men and women, we must always look inward to find our identity. It shouldn’t be centered on external temporary life conditions. It’s your Spiritual beliefs, your faith, your mindset, values, your own actions etc.
I first came into this expecting an attack against me wanting a girlfriend as I usually do as a red pill beta. But after giving the video a chance, I agree with everything. I want to have a girlfriend, I want love. But in a modern western society, influencers preach on how every woman is a whore and a slut and deserve to be treated like trash, just because the influencers were rejected or had their hearts broken. In turn, women refuse to let dirty creeps lay their dirty fingers on their precious bodies. That is why sexual assualt towards women is so high, because of creeps who were cohersed into believing women love to be hurt. My red pill brothas, I have a message for you all... think for yourself, and reject losers who think they are more important than you.
It's only in the last few years where people have begun to keep questioning these masculine and feminine ideals around me. It's important, don't get me wrong, but sometimes I just want to dress and act how I want without a million people questioning my gender identity. Yes, I like both feminine and masculine things. I don't get why it's so controversial, and it shouldn't be for men either.
I was born 24 years before Roe v Wade. I know what it was like for many women. It was hard for a woman to get a high paying job in a large company or even in a small one. And back then one of the first things an interviewer for a job would ask a woman is was she pregnant or was she planning to become pregnant. They might ask this even before they know if she was married and if she was single the thought was well she's going to get married and now we've lost somebody so let's just not hire women. And most men never heard the horror stories of those desperate women who couldn't have a child at the time and went for back alley abortions and so many of them died horrible deaths. I had to have one but it was in a nice clean place a doctor's office but the mental strain was overwhelming. And all of this and you want to talk about masculinity when all the time it's been about control, just as it is now. It always has been about control. The minute humans started gathering in towns and cities women became second class citizens and it's always been only one thing control the thing that men fear most, women.
@@soy_boy69 talk to me about that when you lay in a back Ward dying horribly from sepsis because you were mangled by a back street abortionist. Men had it good for a long f****** time
I have no idea where you're getting this info from. Personally, I'd like to define masculinity for me. I'm not scared of women because women aren't a monolith.
@@DoomShrm masculinity is not that different from being a female. You care about other people and you do your best to help. That's it. Masculine it is not going running out in the woods with an AR-15 or being in the gym 4 days a week to pump your muscles or dare I say slapping your woman around. If you're a man you don't need your masculinity defined because you already know what it is
@@tanawilliams7498 Ofc it's not that different because we are both human first, then gendered but it's a close 2nd. My def of masculinity is not based around doing macho shit because that's not what I was raised around. I guess when I think of masculinity I think of my grandpa because growing up I saw him as a gentle giant. Personally, my def is you're a man if you have balls and usually that comes with certain ways of thinking/behaviors but not always because ppl are individuals. I came up with this def pretty early in life and learning ab LGBT shattered it. The thing is if masc is anything you decide it is then in reality it is nothing because it has no definition at that point it is nothing more than individuality. But ofc we know that there is something that defines or most cis men wouldn't stay cis and trans men wouldn't feel more connected to cis men than they do cis women.
One of the biggest problems in this discourse is that our culture has determined that there is no right or wrong way to be a woman, but still insists there is a right or wrong way to be a man. This is perpetuated by everyone.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this issue is the linchpin holding back some catastrophic cultural shift. Weak men don't tend to hold societies together for long. When everyone is submissive the barbarian comes in for the plunder.
Our culture has determined that there is no right or wrong way to be a woman? Are we living in the same world? Women have been judged and suppressed since forever WITH the illusion that doing what they're told is how to be a good woman, and having an opinion or a will to take their own decisions is straying away from the right path and becoming a bad woman
Such a refreshing viewpoint. I'm sure this video is gonna make thousands of people reexamine their ideas and finally voice half-formed convictions they've held for a while. It did for me. This is what we needed, thank you for your insightful work!
This video got me thinking. Wondering how so many cis women in my country are either single and sad about it, or settle for short term unhappy relationships because of a lack of better options. In both cases the women are admittedly miserable. Edit- . I am a 30 year old man from India. I've only shared what I've heard from women friends and how they feel being single and in relationships. Women that I've spoken with who've shared their experiences, including my current and ex girlfriends have become "modern" - but the men are expected, by the same women to fulfil "traditional" roles. I would love to hear from women on how they view this situation.
I don’t know if country makes a difference here (I’m Canadian for the record) but as a woman, I think it’s probably just the fear that one cannot be happy without a romantic partner. Even if it’s just subconscious- and society might not push this idea as directly of obviously as before- but I think a lot of women rush into relationships that not end up being happy or long lasting just because “it’s the thing to do” and being single is treated as a failure, or they fear ending up the “lonely cat lady.” Maybe I’m just pointing out the obvious. But we really need to stop acting like being single (and having cats? Wtf) even later in life is some sad pathetic state. Honestly this stereotype is often used by men to scare women into thinking we NEED to lower our standards and date men at all cost to be happy. And then you also have women who would otherwise date, but don’t want to because of heterofatalism, they know dating men is dangerous, and/or the thought that most men don’t see women as equals is simply so depressing that it causes women to give up dating altogether. Overall we need to destroy the idea that the only true family or long-lasting form of community and companionship is the traditional nuclear hetero family. (And of course, there are men who rush into unhappy relationships for similar reasons. People are feeling isolated due to lack of choices for what kind of companionship or family they want.)
@@Fantallana Succinctly put. People need to first find worth within themselves before rushing into a relationship, otherwise they'll only have one source of happiness/purpose which is never healthy. Relationships are meant to be supplementary, not dependent.
@@anitaremenarova6662 I see plenty of relationships that are based on some level of dependency though Is it not ok to still want a romantic partner without being 100% mentally healthy, shit most people aren't mentally healthy yet are still in relationships
@@painunending4610 Relationships are about co-dependency, there is a limit to that though as I've previously mentioned. People will engage in unhealthy behaviors regardless, just look at how many people smoke or drunk despite it being bad for them.
A lot of the problems seem to stem from the fact that us men simply don't really understand how women talk with each other. We either treat them like other guys, which is just outright disastrous because since we think differently they just end up feeling uncomfortable or creeped on, or we try to limit conversations with them, but that just makes them feel left out and the whole "Ignored because of sexism" can of worms starts because of that... Also, I LOVE that a left leaning creator is actually being helpful and not just "Men are the root of all evil", I sincerely thank you for that
I seriously wonder what would men who "don't know how to talk to women" do if they had a sister. Do they see literally EVERY woman as the same? I mean, you say we "think different" and it's true but don't we all?
@@isbalellaI have an older brother but he still doesn't know how to talk to girls. He talks to them as if their another one if his own sisters. And you can imagine how awkward that is.
No offense man but there's no such thing as "men and women think differently". That shit is made up and neuroscience has proved it to be false but for some reason it's not a known fact yet. Read about neurosexism for more about this. Also, there's no secret code about how to talk to a woman. The examples you gave are probably because of the type of women you met idk. But me and my girl friends talk about the most stupid and mundane shit ever like our classes and homework and what kind of job we dream of in the future once we finish college and our health and hygiene habits, giving each other advice, music and fictional media we watch and enjoy. Just normal conversations. And I talk about the same stuff the same way to my male friend who also talks to me about the same stuff and about some aspects of his personal life and I also talk to him about my life and it's pretty normal. Nothing special or crazy about it. Just try it with a normal woman, rather than a paranoid chronically online one who thinks every man on the street is gonna kill her because tiktok told her so.
I think we have to get over the oversimplification that masculinity is exclusive to men and femininity is exclusive to women. People are complex and every single person is a unique blend of the two. Men just have to understand this and recognize the feminine in themselves and the masculine in the women they know. This is the only way we can be whole and accept others as whole.
exactly, a healthy person has a bit of both masculine and feminine qualities. maybe each individual has various degrees of it, but it shouldn't make you proud to have none of one gender expression or so little of one that you might as well have none. that means you are neglecting parts of yourself that NEED attention for you to be fully healthy.
It is something that expresses your ignorance from just one video. You made judgments and gave freedom that everyone has the ability to express masculinity and femininity. These gender concepts are a private matter for each gender, and such matters should not interfere between Otherwise, many things in society will be spoiled
I finally found a video discussing men and women that makes me think I literally feel like I haven't gone to the gym for a year, but for my brain FINALLY, some food for thought...
I love hearing legitimate, scholarly questions really examined and applied to our current reality. We are nothing without the concepts in which we set ourselves against. Such a great video, thank you!
Thank you for the extra effort to post this. That said, now I've got to comment again telling you to follow this up with more videos. Oh, well. 1 - Following this up could provide an off-ramp for people to exit the manosphere. 2 - Following this up with a video on a Marxist analysis of the creation of burgeois family, and thus, masculinity (see Caliban and the Witch). Cross-referencing it with original Soviet feminism (crushed by Stalin, but painstakingly brought back... for the most part...) wields interesting insights. For example, how the decried "peasant mentality" actually helped women's rights to advance, since the peasantry didn't have to overcome as much the urban burgeois divisions of labour (women's work was still regarded as real work). 3 - Following this up with a video on the way technological change has altered social divisions of labour and thus made feminism inevitable would be great. Liberated to pursue any goal, women can feel empowered to be anything, from housewives to professional fighters. Men, on the other hand, get told that most previous positive role models were wrong, but receive no new ones to fill the gap, and feel disempowered. ... EXCEPT it didn't happen as much in socialist countries. The socialist man was far less scared of women, and when the socialist block fell, women usually found out that capitalism made their lives harder, not easier. Why is that? It's definitely worth investigating and coming back to tell us about it in a video or 2.
You know sometimes I wonder if our socialist women liberation moment were successful because we were an Agrarian society and in our wars against foreign invaders in the past women had many times play the role of the leaders.
Caliban and the Witch is so good. It adressed a lot of the gaps and unjust assumptions in the more well-known marxist texts on the family, womanhood and the origin of capitalism, and offers a different, more expansive view of primitive accumulation in the late medieval period. It also deals with things like the devaluation of reproductive labor and how women's reproductive rights were taken away as a means to solve the workers' shortage, which are still painfully relevant today.
@@YUGOPNIK Yes, it's a great video, actually, one of the best Engels presentations I've ever seen. It's the masculinity spin on the question that's my suggestion, since providing an off-ramp from the manosphere is something that can have a significant impact on the lives of many.
@@juliahenriques210 That off-ramp yall speak of sounds great. The path to a fulfilling life through masculine perfectionism is a lonely, painful road. It is however AN ANSWER for many men such as myself that seek a way to combat our sense of lack tied with the status of social outcasts. Desperation breeds action, however I, for one, would much appreciate a counter-perspective to simply "being more masculine". Being a feminine guy comes with so much internal shame for me, as, within this paradigm, it is supposedly a personal failure, the same way being lazy would be.
This is SOOO excellent and hilarious 😂😂😂😂 There were so many lines that made me cackle. "state mandated girlfriend." "Soros woman lobby" "Serve our female overlords" This is great commentary and so desperately needed. I do believe miscommunication and assigning blame to men and women is a very old tradition that has to stop. We are all humans. We are all honestly trying to figure out how to navigate all of the complexities of social life and our interpersonal relationships. I think the least we can do is just stop terrorizing each other and listen to understand each other. Keep up the great work
Thank you God!! Thank you!! I don't hate men, I don't hate women, I want us all to get along with each other to progress towards the future😭👌. There's hope thank you. I was afraid there was nobody on UA-cam who could express this idea without bias. Thank you.
I AM A WOMAN AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS MUCH NEEDED HEALTHY AND GENUINELY HONEST VIDEO ON MASCULINITY. 🙏🙏🙏 🌹🌹🌹 And this is how a truly happy feminine rewards a genuine trying honest healthy masculine. With lots of love!!! 🌹🌹🌹💖💖💖🔱🔱🔱
It's weird because as as woman I never asked myself what it means to be a woman, I just exist lol I just am, I'm living my life and that's it, while so many men crack their heads trying to be their idea of a "man"
You are a woman because your biological structure says so, let's assume my idea that you are a woman, will you resort to masculine matters, is this your understanding of these matters
I always thought of myself as a person/human being instead of a man. I couldn't careless about being masculine. I do understand why some people feel the need to act that way.. social rejection from other man and women. It's an awful feeling when people start treating you differently if you aren't like them or their ideal version of who you are "supposed" to be. This isn't something I experience with everybody but certain types of people instantly will start to respect you less if you don't conform. Luckily my friends and family aren't like that at all but I do notice it at work or other public places. Maybe some people just lack the empathy to understand.
Great video comrade! I believe there's a useful juxtaposition to be found when it comes to the dating scene, where so very many have expressed that they only ever started getting any kind of success with finding a partner when they "stopped caring so much", opting instead to simply focus inward. Similarly, I wholly agree with your video and feel that masculinity can only be realized through us genuinely, unapologetically defining ourselves along lines that are, by its very essence, strictly about ourselves - our hobbies, our likes and dislikes, our humor and other matters related to our actual personhood. It's wholly destructive to do as we are in the present, where we desperately relate it to exterior forces and our capacity to influence our surrounding world (or control it) in order to build an abstract ideal that can, for the vast majority of us, never be realized - never mind that this kind of masculinity isn't even desirable for virtually everyone else, even if a few of us could technically achieve it.
I just wanna say the whole 'stop caring and it will happen' thing isn't necessarily a guarantee. For a long term I didn't care about relationships and focused inward and even then I didn't get any success. When I go out I don't even try and look for romantic partners and just try to have a good time, I don't flirt with people or ask people out and still have no success
@@painunending4610 that's how life is? It's the same for women in this aspect. If you thing most women have flocking herds of men areound them then you're mistaken. You still kinda sound desperate. After all these years you should not care about having a partner. After all if you just want sex go to the sexworker and if you're at human connection then make good friends with men and women
Good shit comrade. Your recent videos like this one and the determinism vs free will one have been great at answering common burning questions with a solid Marxist analysis. Keep up the great work! (Preferably at your regular pace) On a side note, do you plan to have Marxist Paul on the Deprogram anytime soon? I mean don’t get me wrong, the usual shooting of the shit is great, and I look forward to the interviews with Cockshott and Zak Cope, but I am nostalgic for the collabs y’all used to do.
"Vagina Gandalf" 😂 excellent video! Your conception of the ideal masculinity reminds me of the Richard Feynman quote: "What do you care what other people think?"
Personally, i like your normal speed. Even if it may seems slow to others, it allows me to take the time to digest everything. But whatever direction you decide to take it, I will support you comrade. Thanks for another great video!
Very nice video pal, i can only report my experience: as an only son that grew up without a father, both a blessing and a curse, i was never raised to be a "True Man™". My mother taught me to be a responsible human being, thinking about the outcomes of my actions and when it is the time to act, to act morally. So all that "women are this men are that"; all the Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, greek alphabet nonsense; the "honor" or "respect", that we usually defend in trivial situations when drunk in a disco but never when facing our boss; or the showcasing of our "status" through the acquisition of brand name crap to impress the ladies, never stuck. As such i don't feel like masculinity or femininity even matter, the freeer the women the freeer are men too, so that we can finally stop being defined and valued by the fact that we can get laid, provide and protect. While there are some women that are just plain bad, some feminists that just lost their shit; i think that at the end of the day the real threat to "manliness" are the Tates, Petersons and online "coaches" and smoke sellers that want to impose us a one-way road to be "true men" whatever that means, or sell that to us in the process. And as an italian i'm proud to say: Bandiera Rossa Trionferà, sempre!!! lol
Very well said. In America you have the grifters telling other men how to be real men, but never about how to be a human 😓 Almost like the American men don't care about being humane any longer it's just about how big they dinks are and how many other women they can get to sleep with them 🤢
oh. my. God. I feel like I've been trying to put this into words for YEARS. But I would twist it around too. What is feminine without the counter of masculine? And are they even different? I like to think about the dom sub dynamic. You can be a power top sub, or a gentle bottom dom, but still those roles exist. And who really has the power? The sub ultimately of the relationship "works the way it's supposed to" because subs can stop it at any time. So who holds the power in a trad cis straight relationship? The woman because they are bringing forth the legacy and next generation. As soon as that disappears, women are what? And what are men? Take away childrearing and childbearing and what is the actual difference? That's why people really fear trans people. On both sides.
"So who holds the power in a trad cis straight relationship? The woman because they are bringing forth the legacy" I would say men hold the power in traditional relationships because, historically, they are the ones who had the power to divorce, and women did not. Legacies, like last names were traced through the fathers lineage. Also, its probably safe to say that patriachies are controlled by the patriarchs, not their wives.
@@Otherwise88 that's not really power. Women never feared losing a husband, only a paycheck. Men themselves forced women to be with them. Husbands raped, beat etc. As you just said... divorced and took away children (in the past). A lot of women don't really get the protection from marriage so what exactly are men adding when Women are most likely to be killed by their romantic partners?. That's why feminism happened. We rather work than be in forced relationships. The power is access to sex. Thats why men are losing their minds because standards are now "too high". Too high standards don't exist when it comes to a woman's body. She can ask for anything because men will do anything for sex. How many men fuck up their so called "hard" qnd high paying areers Over and over again for sex? Too many to count. Women definitely have way more power in romantic relationships.
Your questions are the money of a 15-year-old who does not understand anything in this life. Go and educate and do not let a single video or point of view affect you.
I genuinely love videos like this. I struggle to understand the philosophy behind many of the ideologies I dislike, and knowing my enemy is quite necessary. This wave of anti-feminist thought must be combated
I think you are missing the point that the anxiety about masculinity is an anxiety for a sense of worth in the eyes of a community (and the opposite gender). Therefore, the individualistic solution you give, of not caring about standards and just doing whatever you want, doesn't help at all with that feeling, because it's in essence very solipsistic. At best, all that attitude will give you is a conection with small, impermanent and dispersed groups of people which happened to choose a similar identity, while you still remain alienated from most of society and lacking a concrete sense of belonging. I would argue for example that men on the left derive a sense of security from the reassurance of having value for partaking in a struggle, or by having certain moral or social qualities deemed as positive by this specific community. However, it's not very effective because the left isn't really a place, or a well-defined holistic way of living, but rather a vague, shapeless mix of ideologies, which can't provide a predictable sense of permanence. And likewise happens with all the right-wing self-improvement communities. They offer only some general agreement, and then you are left with partial connections to particular individuals or groups which agree with you on this or that, and only give you validation insofar as those issues are concerned and never validation as a whole human person. Things like religion, for example, are on the contrary more successful in that regard because it offers a specific, enduring and widespread sense of belonging, where the expectations are clear and there's immediate social support and acceptance. That sort of sense of identity is what I think the people complaining about the place of men in society want: not just any answer as to what they should be, but a social network whithin which that identity will be appreciated and offered avenues to grow and connect with the rest of the community. It's not a personal problem, but a problem of connections.
You nailed it on the head. Especially when you define here the “anxiety around masculinity.” I have some of the same fears and when they crop up which is like everyday day I’d often think, “why am I trying to be so masculine?” Because I always thought those issues were only tied to being a man.
If I remember the quote correctly, a women is highly valued but a man has to build up his value. As a man you get judged hard and called many names if you can't look after yourself. If you can't provide for yourself. If you can't function by yourself. I feel women get it easier in that regard tho with people slowly changing with the time it might just be an equal thing for both genders in the future.
@@lexkek5625 Women have those same problems as men in your comment. You were a example when you treated women as badly as the things you complain about for men by pretending women don't have those same problems. Which is also hypocritical of you. There are women who are killed because there are men, like incels, angry that women don't meet their high standards. Another example is the high standard of not wearing a hijab. A six yr old girl was killed for not wearing a hijab. Some men expect 50/50 where women have to work and provide as much as men. Plus, still be traditional homemakers, be pregnant, and raise children. The Financial Diet gave data on how some women work more than men and are expected to cause of reasons like that. Watch Childfree Kimberly on 102 reasons why I'll never have kids on the many physical harms of pregnancy. Including causing deaths, disability, and allergies. Many people do not know about these things and they are not talked about enough. But pregnancy is expected of and forced onto women. Watch Kavernacle on women. Like how conservatives push to take away voting from women. How is that not having high standards on women that women have to work hard to earn basic rights? There are men who say "equal fights, equal rights". Meaning they demand women to do equal fights, military, or work as men. Or be as equally physically strong as men. Watch Manisfestelle on the 4B movement. There were women used as canon fodder in war. There are women not wanting to date, marry, have intercourse, or want to be childfree. One reason is because of women problems being ignored. Which includes violence towards females. How are things like violence towards women and the constant high standards and bullying on women mean women are just valued? You're lying cause you complain about women and have standards on women too. There are some people biased for men too.
This video is a breath of fresh air. The last video i got suggested of a man talking about women was trying to philosophically and scientifically prove why men are attracted to specific body types and the video and comments were so disappointing, mostly dudes justifying their objectification and rating women’s appearance by number all acting like beauty standards and ideal body types don’t vary GREATLY throughout the world and throughout history. And COMPLETELY degrading women by talking about their value only on their looks and criticizing them for getting plastic surgery when that’s where THEY place our value!!
@FuckOuttaHere this has real long term systemic, generational, societal effects. Misogyny is the oldest form of oppression and objectification is a tool that's been used against us that we can't use against men in the same way because of the power they've historically held over us
The amount of men explaining that they really think that all problems in today's society are due to women in this video's comments is scary and proves the point
This answered-rather put together thoughts about my own problems and resentments and hate of those same resentments cause I knew they were petty and small. Thanks. I’m free. I lack. But that’s no one’s fault. We’re all banging around trying to fill the void. I got beat up a bit by others trying to do so with me. I beat them up a bit doing the same. Now I can ignore them and do so without getting entangled in the ego of others, without trying to tangle myself in relationships, or without expecting empathy in a way that the society I live in doesn’t easily allow. Sincerely appreciate your work here. Gonna save this vid.
In my albanian family i see a lot of catering to mens insecurities by just allowing them to lash out when they dont get their way. Allowing yourself to act out against the ones you love is a hard cycle to escapr bc it can feel so comfortable, compared to confronting yourself. However, the freedom you can feel by carving out your own definition of masculinity is amazing. Great video balkan comrade
I come back to this video once in awhile just to read the comments and laughing at all of the dudes getting absolutely triggered. Imagine having no ability to be a decent human being.
As the video state at 11:53 feminism and other form of women empowered have been hijacked by mainstream ideologies. It obviously that patriarchy exists but that doesn't mean all men benefit from it at all times. Patriarchy hurts men too because it reduces men to being just laborers to the system and tries to ease their true frustrations with women. It's not that feminism hates men, it's that feminism that isn't rooted in proper analysis can get hijacked by other ideologies and won't be a benefit to anyone anymore. Feminism is simply a lense that can be added onto things humanity should be discussing which is class relations and the class struggle. I hope you see this comment as an olive branch, feminists are not out to get you.
and yet the result of their movement has made wamen unhappier on average and has ruined the relationship between men and ladies. despite this they will still claim that if only everyone adopted their wako beliefs then everything would be fine.
Yeah and in the same way feminism has ruined relationships between men and women certain types of red pill ideologies are doing the same. Creating bitter men who will die alone.
@@tally3067 Depend on which surveys and pollsters. While I' m no fan of the manosphere, I think that too many feminist theories had been poisoning too many discussions and responsible for the ineptitude of the left in bringing any meaningful changes to society. Nice to see these morons got panicky when they are realizing that there are actually a massive public backlash against them from both genders. In real life, barely anybody can pretend be virtue signalers, so relationships remained whatever the couple chose to be.
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You got 1984d
Just got paid by Soros today 👏🥳💵
Thank you, thank you, thank you! My wife and I appreciate this!
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I said in the first upload that if you fixed it I would join your patreon, now I'm an Ally! For what it's worth your video reignited the fire in my heart when I was taking the doomer pill. Also while only speaking for myself, I enjoy your natural cadence as it give time for thinking about heavy subject matter, also love your music choices in your early videos. Keep up the great work!
You talk too fast
Can we just be people? It seems to me what makes a "good man" or "good woman" are the qualities that make a good human being. Manage your emotions and meet your responsibilities. Beyond that, I think, as Yugo implies, the task is to define what masculinity or femininity is TO YOU. What feels right for you, helps you live. Not what the Man tells you.
Beautifully put.
yes I love your brain
@@SpiritualAttitudeSage thank you both 🙂
Here's a pro gamer tip from a masculine man, pretend that everyone is also a man. It pretty much does the exact same thing, and you get to be with more high value individuals when everyone are men.
@@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug ssshhh ok little misogynist, it’s time for bed ♥️
Beautiful video. "What does masculine mean without the feminine?" is such a brutal question. I'm glad people are asking it.
as a native man i see feminists as a bunch of rich white women who want a victim card just like the nazi incels
My basic opinion is that it's all made up nonsense that constantly shifts. Ballet and high heels use to be considered manly, so just do what ever.
@@roxannedunstanharvey4898 Well, sure, norms change. I still thing it's important to have a healthy and compelling offer for people men for whom masculinity is an important part of their identity.
@@maxermrh1979 I personally don't understand why people need to make what they perceive as associated with their genitals, their whole personality. I was honestly surprised when I was perceived as very masculine. Then I realized most people have to basically perform a stereotype in order to feel ok about themselves. I just don't get why we need to revolve around the most emotionally immature members of our society.
@@roxannedunstanharvey4898 I personally understand it. We develop identities around our enduring traits, our lived experiences and our social connections. Having a male body plays a role in all of it, but it's not only about the body, let alone the genitals. At some point, the identity becomes it's own thing, and the dissonance between the identity you feel and a reality that undermines it can be extremely painful.
I'm an athlete, and it has always been an important part of my identity. If I lost my legs, that would be catasthrophic for my mental wellbeing. If you told me that you don't understand why some people base their entire identity around throwing balls, you'd just be offensive and out of touch. It would be more useful (and compassionate) to help me broaden my understanding of athleticism so that I can exercise this key pillar of my identity in a new way. Like aiming for the paralympics, or hand-pedaling my way accross europe.
Let's normalize telling our bros ," I know a spot." And then dropping them off at therapy.
nah thats just cringe
@@Zero-fh2wb Learn to take a joke 🤷♂️
Hey let’s normalise just taking care of each other and being slightly more affectionate than two brick walls facing each other😊
And then drug them? If you really want to be a "boss b**ch", stop taking booster shots and antidepressants!
ngl that's quite good
“the father and daughter will make fun of the mother together, but this will not save the daughter from the fate of the mother.” it’s not an exact quote but i think it’s important
Too important. It shows so much how solidarity among all of us should be taught from very early on. And how I, before I started to educate myself, fell so short in my own behaviour towards other women.
This is actually a real thing that happens more often than we think, children, especially but not exclusively sons joining their fathers in their misogynistic treatment and attitudes towards their mother, ruining their relationship with her and affecting the way they see and treat women for the rest of their lives.
Very good quote!
Checked it out and it's by Bonnie Burstow, full quote being:
"Often father and daughter look down on mother (woman) together. They exchange meaningful glances when she misses a point. They agree that she is not bright as they are, cannot reason as they do. This collusion does not save the daughter from the mother’s fate.”
“A masculinity so ‘manly’ that it doesn’t give a damn how anyone chooses to express it.”
In Yugo’s Revolution, we are all Sigma AF
"Chad" wears lime green yoga pants.
I'm a ligma
Nope you are traditionally "feminine" men, but keep coping bro
@@asghahaahahah1469 stop caring about dead people's habits
@@asghahaahahah1469 Tell us more about these traditions of "feminine" men, since you're such an expert on them. lol what a load!
I remember hearing someone say, "Men who hate women want to reduce women to sex slaves, breeders, and homemakers, whereas women who hate men just want to keep away from men." While I don't condone misandry or misogyny, it does go to show that even the most misogynistic men don't actually want to live apart from women so much as they want to control them. The same can't really be said for women, who don't necessarily feel like their femininity is compromised without a man around to validate it.
that's just plain false I've heard women who hate men say to lock men up in cages and use them as slave labour and spend farms your just cherry picking to make a point.
Exactly this. Misandry was developed as a protection mechanism and its core it's just "men stay away from me" nothing more and men took that personally
Phaha what? You have not been in any college campuses lately then. Men are "ALL evil, are ALL potential rapists, are ALL disgusting, ALL violent". There's also plenty of talk of genociding men and reproducing with "bone marrow". You are delusional if you think it's like this.
Women reduce themselves to sex object on the daily. Men are angry about those types of girls. The men, who are incels, are just lonely misguided people. You should frequent to any red-pill community, since that's what this video is trying to argue about. The only comments you'll see is "bitches ain't shit" or "all women are cheaters" and also "not all women are like this, they need jesus".
Even the black pill community isn't the "women hating" baddies you seem to think they are. Just misguided.
looks like you haven't met misandrist women then, many of them want more than to be "left alone". that phrase you referenced is just plain false.
@@MALICEM12 it's not that she hasn't met them judging by her comment I'm sure she's just one of those people who will say.
"a lady who abuses a man isn't as bad as the other way around becuase ladies can't do that much damage"
any time a lady does something bad she will simply make an excuse for it and men a man those something bad she will pretend that he represents all men.
As a woman, it’s definitely strange to witness on social media just how obsessed men are with women, especially how much they get offended. To me, toxic masculinity is masculinity that revolves around women and uses women as a scapegoat but so many men get upset when you mention that to them.
Because you're using your own definition of toxic masculinity, lol, and using the word's reputation to beat men. If I said to me narcissist bitch is someone who likes redefining the meaning of toxic masculinity, then you'd be a narcissist bitch and you might be upset about it.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 wow look who’s crying and shitting themselves over the mention of toxic masculinity, proves my point exactly. You don’t get to speak about the reputation of words when men have waged a war on the word feminism, a concept for equal human rights. Like how evil can you be?
@@lorenzomizushal3980 wow look who’s crying and shitting themselves over the mention of toxic masculinity, proves my point exactly. You don’t get to speak about the reputation of words when men have waged a war on the word feminism, a concept for equal human rights. Like how evil can you be?
@@lorenzomizushal3980 you just proved her point
@@freddthurman3935 only a fool would think so
This "Crisis of Masculinity" pretends like neurodivergent men don't exist. It's so weird. As a neurodivergent man myself (specifically autistic), there are some things which I epitomize this odd chauvinistic, and seemingly fascistic, model of a man. And then, in other ways, I am the absolute antithesis of other ideas in their odd fantasy. I'm stoic not because I hide my feelings, it's because I'm still learning to express myself, which I do by mirroring people. And then, I have fascinations with a variety of things outside the traditionally masculine things. Isn't it enough that I have interests that make me happy? Isn't it enough that I'm working on myself to be a better person? I can't quite grasp the appeal of the masculinity these types of men try to portray. It seems exhausting.
According to these guys neurodivergent men should just lift themselves up by the bootstraps and "just be normal bruh".
@@xcvzvcxx2564 "is it that hard for you to smile when you greet people?"
(Yes it is)
Welcome to the commodification of human beings. These misogynist influencers thrive on guilting and looping you into a business model. The same business model used to force insecurities and doubts into women, just reflective of the “ideal” men want to see in themselves. If you aren’t like him, then you’re bad and you need to work harder and grind so you can drive super car and have risky sexual relations with girls at clubs. Buy my course, subscribe, watch my livestreams so my hateful rhetoric can make you despise yourself some more. Give you who you are, feed into my ego, and give me your money.
unless you're openly miserable, any shade of not normal is always gonna challenge your typical bro. and much like the lesser apes the only impulse is to destroy whatever challenges. what i find ironic is when lobster boy aggrandizes physical conflict like he's ever been in one. medieval jordan would be someones purse dog if he was lucky, the clever types ALWAYS find themselves at the bottom of these hierarchies they so vocally champion. i hate to gatekeep(being quite masculine and forceful with neurotypicals when need be says i can, though), but the men most obsessed with masculinity aren't. at all.
I grew up pretty much sheltered away from girls who weren't in my family or friends of the females in my family. My dad is a very chill kind of person who's always questioning and updating why he ever needs to do x or y. He was also really busy trying to get us out of poverty so I saw him around once a month. He never drank after my youngest sibling was born and rarely showed "patriarchal" tendencies in our house. I also attended an all boys boarding school so most "men" there were academics who didn't need to pose as super manly. So by the time I graduated and entered tertiary education I was wondering why I need to sleep with everything that moves or love cars or do any male stereotype thing. I am pretty awkward around social settings and but growing up the way I did let's me see that trying to be a "traditional man" would be draining to my mental health and I would probably go into a catastrophic meltdown in my middle ages trying to conform to it.
The masculinity crisis, I believe is more about men who are LOST. There are people like Tate who exploit this, but young men are in crisis because they are demoralized and hopeless by a system that values nothing but production. Even war is nothing more than a business and this isn't enough motive for 'normal' men to fight for their country. This can lead to Nihilism and hedonistic coping, which is the real manufacturer of weakness.
Misanthropy would also count
tate has massive daddy issues.
I mean, you aint wrong, like gender differences do exist from mental health stastics to even the concept of trans people, you need that concept of gender differences with that. Genrally, women are more into emotions while men are more into things. I have many other things to say but like the manosphere or just men that just want to be men and not follow society norms.
Still not women's fault.
Is these time yes, the only motivation is death
Fight as a solider, work long hours to provide for your family, dont complain... Masculinity always seems to revolve around either aspiring to be at the top of a hierarchy, or to serve it. Curious.
If it helps, masculinity is about being kind and standing up for others.
Yup “Masculinity” is hierarchical in nature. Hofstedes Country Categorization of Feminine and Masculine come to mind. Countries ranking in high masculinity (Arab/African countries) are very hierarchal, and those ranking the most Feminine (Scandinavian) are the most egalitarian.
That's why we say patriarchy and capitalism is pretty much the same thing. Our whole patriarchal idea is just finding symbolic means to establish hierarchy. They say: first came sedantariness, the idea of property, then sexism and that was the first prototype of any hierarchy/classist system. And not every sedantary culture got down that path. And nomadic cultures f.e. were equitable much longer, I heard. But sadly that was the system that superseded all the others. Cause it is fast. It has fast conquering qualities, cause it externalises care and second-guessing/shame to the symbolic group of women* and oppress that, so that the other group can overgrow other qualities. No stabilizing or sustainable qualities, that caring shame and second guessing bring, but fast profit. That's where we are.
@@bulbasaur1232 And interestingly enough, there are always tons of people trying to escape highly "masculine" countries to move to the "feminine" or more egalitarian ones.
@@WeCaredALot Not really. USA, Japan, Germany all scored high when he did that survey. ALSO it's NOT a hierarchical index, that's a separate index within the model called Power Distance! This was one of my uni projects so I remember what all the indexes were and actually mean.
they told me that my behaviour and actions are ''not masculine enough''..
I replied that whatever I do is masculine, because whatever I do defines masculinity
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🤯 brain blast 🧠
Gigachad behavior.
based sigma male! :D
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Hi Dimitri, I learned in my Dreaming to not argue with the other dream characters in regards to how they perceive me, not unless I can find a dream mirror first, so I can see myself they way they see me. Dimitri, if people are telling you that you are lacking in certain masculine traits, well, why are you so eager to resort to tactics of Denial? You can't redefine masculinity by renouncing the Masculine. Science has drawn the Masculinity to Femininity Axis, and it follows down from Humans into the Animals too. Yeah, be whoever it is you are, but don't try to muddle everybody else's common sense communications with your Smoke Screen of Denial.
Exactly the manosphere is so freaking hollow, it's all about hating women and going on and on about how inferior they are but you also base your entire self worth on getting said women. Its just all about control, since a woman can work for themselves and choose their partners all these left out guys feel desperate and hopeless and gravitate towards extremely reactionary movements spiraling into a cycle of hate.
No, if you think about it, man suffered a lot before the woman rights movement. Doing 12-14 hours of hard labor a day to support his family is what life looked for a man not that far back. Tell me how the man had it better before. In fact, the only reason the woman rights movement happened, and the reason it didn't happen earlier, was that due to industrialization jobs got easier.
And to clarify you, you are wrong. I'm let's say in the manosphere, and don't hate woman in general. I only think that what is promoted as the modern woman, is disgusting in the sens that is imoral ( and yes I'm talking about abortion, hook up culture, not wanting to be a mother...) But that's not the majority of woman. And you're also wrong about me and most man basing our entire self worth on woman, no I don't give a fuck about the tipe of woman I talked earlier, I can get all the sex I want, It's called prostitutes, and I only dated woman who I considered morally worthy to be with me, since I reapeat, I feel no attraction for the new modern woman, not even sexually. And yes, that worked great for me, I'm now 2 years happily married with a great woman.
I totally agree.
in-Z-el R£belli0n When?
Well since women been given the power to choose whom to give her love or sex too. Have they been responsible with that said power or not. Or do they gravitate to the rich and elite men only leaving the poor proletariat in the dust. So we have here the new selfish women who global capitalism have given more agency then men.
@@prometheusunbound Yes and those men should instead be blaming capitalism for how some selfish women act not good progressive reforms as a whole.
x.75 speed gang
@@addammadd I think they tried to sped up yugo's voice over but with that also sped up all other clips
I wondered why the Yugos voice was weird sounding
If you do .5 he sounds sloshed
0,75 is also not quite right.
It should be amazing for algorithms with all the peeps watching it on slow 🐌 👍
As a woman, i want to share a more nuanced perspective that is not really talked about. Men are taught to relate to women in broadly 2 ways -
1. As a sexual partner
2. Like their male buddies
There is a third way of relating to women which will open for men a whole world of fulfilling friendships. That is the way women relate to each other- being vulnerable, looking for emotional support and listening and opening up to each other. Some of you might be surprised to know that women can give you all this not just as partners, but also as friends. Men might do this for each other occasionally, but they sometimes have to balance it out the discomfort of it with making jokes about things you might not be ready to laugh about
yeah i also showed real greeks
That would be a terrible idea developing deep emotional feelings that you yourself said a sexual partner would.
@@christianlima987 so women are sexual partners with their other women friends? 🧐
@@christianlima987 No, that's not what i said. I said you can develop meaningful emotional connections with friends, it is not just something reserved for partners
@@christianlima987 deep emotional feelings =/= sexual attaction to a person.
You can have deep and meaningful relationships without them being sexual.
As a son, a brother to three sisters, and a father of two daughters, this video really hit hard. Thanks for your great work!
thats gotta be rought, same way for all only brothers and only sons of a mother
@@vinesta gotta agree, there has to be a equality
@@vinesta yeag they only want 10s huh
So you’re a pretty feminine guy, I’d take it?
It's almost like critical thinking is a super power that many think they have, but few actually do. This is a great video because it goes beyond the ravings of individual idiots and demolishes the rotten foundations on which they build their sand castles.
Hi Marcin, honestly, this is what you said: "It's almost like critical thinking is a super power that many think they have, but few actually do. This is a great video because it goes beyond the ravings of individual idiots and demolishes the rotten foundations on which they build their sand castles." Was this a confession that you are one of the vast majority that is incapable of critical thinking? It must be. You found nothing the matter with this video, Yugopunks most incoherent video by far. He fails to point out that children show masculine and feminine traits as children, with boys acting M, and girls acting F, unless in cases where we can predict later Gender Identity Issues to crop up. Where is the discussion of Masculinity and Femininity in the Animal Kingdom, or in terms of evolution. No, this Video was just a required hodge-podge. I suppose whatever Anarchist Organization that controls him required this of him, whether he like it or not. That is why he taped this video while he was drunk, accounting for all the slurring of words. Really, when the Chicks take over my Anarchist Organization, I guess it'd be time to turn Fascist... I mean Populous, which is the good way of saying it.
@@leovolont I don't know why you bothered to type a long reply when none of your points are in any way salient to the video. You're using a pretend-intellectual tactic of saying something without pointing out why it's even relevant (which is a very Petersonian thing to do). You also demonstrate that you don't have children (or intend to have them in the future), and that you're fine being an anarchist until women, in which case you prefer to be a fascist. I mean, lol, my dude, it's the internet, you can just say you're a fascist if you feel like it! You don't have to say "I'm pro-human rights and decentralized power, until women get in power, then I'm against women's rights and pro-dictatorship". Your timing is also incredibly ironic, considering that a fascist party has just won power in Italy and their leader is... a woman! I won't address your insults directed at Yugopnik, discussing such attacks is pointless - you hate his vids, I like them, whatever. I have no clue why you bother commenting here if you dislike it so much, you're giving him free engagement.
Imagine a liberal talk about critical thinking 💀💀 the world is in it's last days they really got u believing you can critically think
@@PainxSorrow Yeah, but the Left has no monopoly on Agenda Driven Propaganda. Every Political Consultant out there, Right or Left is making money by influencing marginally educated True Believers into believing that they actually understand what it is they are supposed to pretend to understand. Talk to any of them, Right or Left, and ask them to explain, and they just start whipping out Reading Lists, and UA-cam Video recommendations. Monkey See, Monkey do. You are probably very close to realizing the Truth yourself, that this Agenda that is pushing you seems so important to you, but the only thing you are certain about is that you can't explain any of it and that you are taking it entirely on Faith... Faith that what you Want So Much To Hear is actually true. But it was just Psychological Bait, and they caught you like they've caught millions of others. But you think it's only a Left Wing problem.
@@leovolont Children and animals showing "masculine/feminine traits" is less of a sign of predisposed biology and more that we actively assign values or traits to men and women on what we think they should be; if boys act destructive or protective of their things or girls act motherly with dolls, it's not because they're "manly" or "womanly"-they're just kids doing what they see around them, and we simply judge them off of what we consider men and women to do. Animals are an even worse example, some of them have completely different hierarchies/behaviors and the idea of alpha/beta families was prove false a long time ago. The video is already 15 minutes long, and adding that many ideas would just muddy up the main claims the dude was trying to make. I disagree with some points in the video, but you really added nothing to the conversation and the fact that you need to debunk the video's premise on the idea of "they're being controlled by some agenda/higher power" is ridiculous and proves you have very little to base your claims on.
Also "critical thinking" is just the ability to evaluate ideas and make rational judgements off of them- that is literally what what we are all trying to do, even if we disagree on some points
I'm just a wamen here occupying a stem job not really wanting to date, and somehow I'm destroying men.
And herein lies the problem - a woman not wanting a partner or children is unthinkable in the eyes of "traditional" masculinity, because the goal if "traditional" masculinity is to score women.
it's only the losers who speak like that and I'm saying this as a woman. Other men are usually friendly and minding their business, they have no issues with working women, single women, young women, old women, "whatever the heck" women...
Keep in mind it's your choice.. you can get any man you want, we men don't have that kind of privilege you know.
@@GTAVictor9128 isn't it to start a family?
@@GTAVictor9128 yeah total bullshit fr
If men's self-respect depends on him provide and protect women just because their gender, is it really a self-respect?
Provide and protect because you voluntarily love and dignify your lover/spouse, not because societal pressure or their definition of masculinity...
hilarious because the entire existence of women relies on men providing for them, all the hard jobs are done by me and man are the biggest tax payers, our gynocentric society is redistributing men's hard earned wealth to women and projects for women.
Exactly 💯
thank you
I find it so abusive towards men that society only makes men feel important when they protect and provide for women not because they love them but as if men own women something other than basic respect... No matter why men end up hating and objectifying women and yet measuring their self worth from the quantity of them...
Just like women end up hating men because they're told measure their self worth from the sacrifices they give for men...
It's a vicious cycle..
Be careful what you wish for...
More and more men are doing exactly that in the manosphere. But still get called hateful for it.
I agree, self-sacrifice should only be admired when it's a choice. it shouldn't be required.
a lot of men expect cookies for playing their parts but then get hurt when their gendered sacrifices are met with "Don't reward people for something that's expected", unfortunately, it means that what men work so hard to be recognized for, isn't even "praiseworthy". where is the self-respect in that? that you sacrifice yourself only to be told that your sacrifice is meaningless because it's expected of your sex.
it's why a lot of female culture has drifted away from its toxic aspects, it's time male culture does the same thing.
@@Nu_Wenmoving away from toxic aspects? Female culture is literally the cause of said expectations and enforcing gender roles are on men
“They use idiotic Market logic to resolve questions of the soul”
If you don't think about the problems you can pretend there is none, until you die at least.
That's a quote for the ages.
Sums up so much
Coincidentaly most of people who does that(at least around here) is in some kind of way great fans of economic liberalism.. maybe it comes with the alt-right package tho
What question of the soul? The market logic explains why only a fraction of men have historically been able to pass their genes on, why incels are a thing, why tinder and the like are so good at exploiting people, why women so frequently turn to sex work despite it hurting their chances at finding a partner. There’s no questions of the soul being answered there
As a kid raised during the Cold War, masculinity was associated with taking care of business and having the power to cause mayhem and tragedy and yet not doing that. So: paying your electric bill, making sure your drunk buddy got home safely and most importantly, not letting a nuclear war get accidentally started.
In the aughts (2000-2009) we learned that all these things (paying bills, keeping others safe, etc.) actually fell into the realm of adulting (id est, being an adult) considering that our leaders in the US were conspicuously not doing this, and were, rather, doing what they wanted with power rather than exercising good governance.
In the post MAGA era, manhood actually seems to be about defying maturity, choosing to seize power yet reject responsibility, as if men were just id creatures running on adrenaline and taking the shortest distance to eating, sleeping, fighting or fucking.
Once I reached this point, I rejected masculinity entirely as something to preserve or achieve, and instead took to the ethic of dealing with matters as an adult, whether that means compromising over what we have for dinner, not letting predators (capitalist or otherwise) take advantage of vulnerable people or giving ideological enemies all benefits of doubt before launching a world-ending retalitory strike.
I wonder if there is a greater reason behind "seizing power and rejecting responsibility" many men are feeling now?
It seems there is no reward for the responsibilities of a man in today's age. Why grind to no reward, work half your week away week after week only to come home everyday lonely with no family and no purpose beyond your capitalist wage job.
Telling them it's sexist or "uncivilized" to embrace masculinity is only pouring gas on an already large fire that has been spreading for some time. And it will only lead to the destruction of Society as we know it, if the young men of today start to fall into nihilism and get smart enough to point fingers at the problems.
It will rightfully lead to a rebellion against capitalism and the "modern world" but also go too far putting women in bonnets and dresses. Not saying it wasn't a long time coming (it has been), but it's against what is right.
Yes I am sure communist dictatorships aren't predators on your definition
Beautiful writing. Seems like 'masculinity' and 'femininity' in the *near past* was about being 'human' just in the most naturally-efficient ways.
Our true enemies has never been other than the cipolla-grade stupids anyway.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl what has communism or dictatorship have to do with how a culture defines masculinity?
@@Uriel238 what has captlisitm to do with cultural definition of musclinty? Also you obviously didn't live in a socialist country before to think socialist thinking has no effect on culture.
As a tall fit guy who was very much a weasel younger, THANK YOU. People like you should be heard . The idea of masculinity is so spiteful today it's sickening to see these poor insecure guys (who I can relate with), instead of confronting their fears and weaknesses they turn to escapist so called traditional masculinity so they feel down in their own dark abyss superior by nature and have a chivalry like duty to protect these weak little creatures.Keep up the good work brother
Love from Greece 🇬🇷
How do you change height?
@@abu-karz and who pays the bills?
@@abu-karz offer something other than height. Get fit, rich, and be a genuinely good person. Change the things you can change. Get a woman who also works on improving herself.
@@elvillivle
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TLDR: If you are a man, then what you do is manly! Deal with it!
Love the video❤!
If you’re a man and wear a skirt? Congratulations that’s now a masculine skirt
@@morbidmanuscript9324 it’s called a kilt lass;)
@@fysica4aag how’d you know I’m Celtic ? ;-)
This is my take, gender is a personal matter. Not something to be standardized and enforced.
If your a man and you put on a dress your not a man stop this goofy bs find god
Great and very important video. Actually, adding to this point, even f.e. Hitler himself was so against women's rights and for the household slave idea of women, because he had extremely low self-esteem and thus didn't muster up the courage (also since she was an aristocrat and he a failed student/a worthless person from the capitalist view) ask the one he had a crush on (in a very creepy way) out. So if women would have been a sort of object, he would, in his mind, perhaps have had a chance or rather she would have been unable to refuse him. Generally speaking, he blamed every personal failing on the generel subject itself (He was bad at dancing, so dancing itself is bad). It's more or less explained in the work of the psycholigist Alice Miller "For your own good", I think. But behind these anti-women sentiments, you will almost certainly find men unconsciously with a fragile self-esteem.
I think it's important to ask ourselves "Why do so many men have such fragile self-esteem?" and "Why do they react to a lack of self-esteem in this particular way?"
The answers are systemic, I think, and not meaningfully a result of a fault of the character of one particular man. So many men are insecure because they are pushed into being insecure, and they react to that insecurity with increasingly reactionary violence because that reaction is less threatening to the status quo than something healthier and more self-affirming.
@@christianlove2473 Well, the reasons for why have already been explained by Yugopnik. F.e. capitalist expectations/capitalist societal norms and the inability to fulfill these because the same system doesn't allow for it. Frustrations are levelled at some scapegoat by the ruling class and -tada!- women are now the metaphorical or literal punching bags for men (grossly summarized, I know). Catholics (the catholic church) f.e. already used the same mechanisms for centuries as well.
@@christianlove2473 I think it's even just because many men's environment's (women too, I suppose) are super insecure, and so their psychology becomes a reflection of their environment. Like, they have no secure friends, no secure or predictable or reliable connections, of course they're, at that point, insecure. It's still all due to some environmental factor, but then of course, if you have low self-esteem, if you're insecure, it's easier to blame yourself for not being "alpha male enough to succeed" than it is to blame the system for not being succeedable. Especially if every other part of your framework is also tied into this reliance on your own personal failings or insecurity to hold up.
It is Ironic because Hitler hated his dad and was a momma's boy. So it looks like after his mom's death he was always in desperate need of women's attention.
@@234fddesa I think many of such people initially understood that their failure was mainly from the failure of the system but they couldn't speak out against the system as they are but a small collection of individuals. And like you said, they are insecure. As a result, they adopted a coping mechanism by instead of blaming the system they blamed themselves for not being able to fit in with the crowd.
Yep, as a guy that nearly went down this path, you are 100% correct. Everything I grew up believing about what I was supposed to be, what a woman was supposed to be, what a relationship was supposed to be was wrong. If you’re given the wrong map to walk through a minefield, you can get angry with the map or get angry with the minefield, no matter what situation it is in life. The problem is the map and too many men and women don’t realise it. The reason they get angry is because they are literally trying to force reality to be different to what it is. Which is why they get nowhere. The sooner you stop treating the opposite sex as a enemy, to be conquered or decoded, and actually treat them like human beings and individuals, the further you will get and the less resentment you will build. They’re just women, they’re not princesses, they’re not aliens, they’re just people.
The biggest mistake youll make as a man is to think that women are just like us but with different genitalia.
The acceptance of that is the beginning of inner peace.
I was redpilled before but Ive fallen down the rabbit hole of the black pill.
It's more realistic but for those who are disadvataged it could be really depressing that's why some of them kill themselves
@@blacksatanist my point is the gameplaying and not treating each other properly because we literally act like we are two different versions of human beings when it’s really not all that complicated. We are unnecessarily overcomplicate it because of bullshit traditions and age old stories about the way, men and women need to behave when trying to court one another, it’s just bullshit that gets in the way of people finding one another. they’re so busy reading their book or instruction manual, and the person is right in front of them.
It is all about the environment and the time in which you were born, that you do not understand the meaning of manhood because you were born with your mind implanted in it that the man becomes a female and the female becomes a man
Agreed
@@hyphen.25 Literally, there is nothing that you agree on, that it is just emotional words he says that are influenced by him through the video
A couple of years ago I found myself wondering about what "being a man" meant to me. I really struggled to find an answer, so I thought "well, what should a man be and how should he behave?" and tried to answer that. After coming up with one or two principles the next question was: "Would those principles change or become invalid if I were a woman?"
No, not really.
In the end, I still don't have an answer, but I don't really feel to need to have one. I like a lot of "feminine" stuff, I like hanging out with women regardless of whether I'm interested in them or not, and I don't give a duck about the "traditional male role". I don't know if that makes some kind of non-binary, honestly it's not that important to me, I still identify as a man but it's just a tiny bit of my identity and definitely not the most important.
great comment
honestly, people aren'T monoliths and will never really fit these gender roles 100%. It's amazing that you're comfortable with yourself and honestly that's the most important.
You can still be a man and not fit what society tells you a man is, that’s different than knowing you aren’t a man, y’know? Though that’s for you to decide.
The same argument can be applied to what it is to be a women. Its like this question are more philosophical than objective. This are literally dumb questions. Its like saying what makes me more of a human. Nothing. Human is just a species. But you can associate morality to humanity in a philosophical way and go from there.
You identify as down bad find god
As a woman also living in the balkans,i appreciate this video so much. Every day i see groups of teenage boys forcing themselves to be more extreme,loud and outright hateful and dangereous to "proove themselves" to their friends. I myself dress very neutrally when it comes to gender and my boyfriend does too. I like wearing more boxy clothes and my boyfriend paints his nails,both of us like using makeup.We get harrassed everyday and we have been attacked multiple times. I have to carry around pepper spray everywhere i go out of fear of an attack happening again. I truly hate how intolerant my generation is,becouse we wouldnt have that situation if insecurity and mental health awarness was accepted and openly discussed,aswell as having a more modern perspective on gender.
Thanks for saying this.
I know a military veteran who was kicked kicked out of military leadership school because he cried after a miscarriage and argument with his girlfriend. Not weeping, just 1 long tear and a short one as he spoke to (mature) first line instructor of the class. The supervisor of the first line instructor kicked him out for being a p*ssy. "Real soldiers don't cry," he and another senior supervisor said... after being in the service after some years, like 5 or 6 years, and many combat service medals.
Later, he had to return to speak to his own 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th line supervisor and explain his plight.
This fake masculinity has plagued us all for eons and is just now killing us off.
Again, thanks for your insight.
@@kingmelanin7468its a disgusting world we live in in so many ways. To expirience something that traumatic and horrible and be punished for daring to show it
cringe
What is wrong if boys are too loud , extreme etc
I wish that man get a better life and leave you and become a man
It's become clearer to me over recent times that the terms "masculine", "feminine", "male" "female" etc. except in a narrow range of contexts, most notably in the medical field, are becoming more & more obsolete. I would actually say the terms are becoming more divisive & destructive for humans & society as a whole. I often wonder how much of the trauma & confusion around gender identity, for instance, is a direct result of these cultural stereotypes. As human beings, we have the whole spectrum of traits, & behaviours at our disposal, should we choose to ignore these gender stereotypes. We need to constantly question our cultures, and evolve beyond the aspects that no longer serve us. With nearly 8 billion humans on this planet, there is no longer an imperative for our pelvic brains to co-create more humans, instead, most could focus on co-creating a better model for society, which in itself will do more to sustain us as a species. An important & evolving conversation
based
cui bono from the new stereotypes
True. As I've grown older, appearing and acting "feminine" has become significantly less important to me. Now, I prioritize taking care of my health and bettering myself as an individual.
say that again when it comes to cleaning up sewers or going to war. You need masculinity, all the other genders can only exist because of men sacrificing themselves against harsh reality.
@@arkgaharandan5881 or maybe that's just the conclusion that ppl who are born in a society in wich strict gender norms such as these are enforced, can come to easily while not actually engaging in anything but surface level avoidance of the topic.
Once in a while, there's a leftube video that feels special, not just reiterating the same ideas, but giving a refreshing viewpoint. This is one such video for me, thanks
yeah this one's maybe one of his very best
@@Smulpaap123 care to elaborate?
This is the most bearable part of it, I avoid it as it’s full of ragebaiting Hasan garbage.
Leftist bad rightist obsessed with femboys
@@tony_5156 I've personally enjoyed some of Hbomberguy's leftist content, although it's reactive nature can devoid it of meaning to some, so I wouldn't advise it if you'd rather listen about deep topics rather than "This is wrong, here's why". (The only notable exception to this being his vaccine video, with a pretty incredible conclusion that dissects vaccine alarmism)
Glad you remade this. It's still a little faster than you normally talk, but it isn't bad. (We're leftists, after all. We live droning on and listening to others drone on, right?) In all seriousness, though, keep up the good work!
No, it's still sped up and it sucks. Coke problem maybe?
@@Chris-xc1tm i can't tell if thats a joke...but if you listen to The Deprogram podcast, he speaks real-time very relaxed and thoughtfully lol and also very not addicted to coke 😛
You mean he re-made this for the BETTER. But I had been wondering how it could have been any worse. The video ignores some very important factors. First, there is sexual attraction between men and women, and it's not politically motivated. Secondly, that boys and girls, before they reach puberty, already evince the distinct characteristics of Masculinity and Femininity. Because this was Yugopunk's most incoherent work, I suspect he did it under coercion. Really, he IS an Anarchist, after all, and the Faction Bosses can get quite insistent. So he was either free to show his Factions support of the Fems, or free to fly out his 4th Story window.
@@leovolont what... are you talking about?
@@kjdunne8683 Good Morning KJ. You ask me what I am talking about. Okay, read it again:
" ... The video ignores some very important factors. First, there is sexual attraction between men and women, and it's not politically motivated. Secondly, that boys and girls, before they reach puberty, already evince the distinct characteristics of Masculinity and Femininity. Because this was Yugopunk's most incoherent work, I suspect he did it under coercion. Really, he IS an Anarchist, after all, and the Faction Bosses can get quite insistent. So he was either free to show his Factions support of the Fems, or free to fly out his 4th Story window."
Now, if you have any problems understanding native English then copy and paste what it is you think you are misunderstanding, along with telling me what it is you think I must mean, and then I can guide you on your way so that you can turn your thinking more into conformance with mine, at least in regards to the intention of my communication. But, my first guess is that if you are so intellectually challenged as not to understand me the first time, then, even with tutoring, you probably just have certain intellectual limitations. I'm sure you must know what I'm talking about. For instance, you must know about what Grades you got in school. You must know that you've always done purely on Reading Comprehension Tests, right? Really, you should get used to the idea that if you do not understand what you are reading, it is probably not the fault of the Material, but with your own ability to Understand.
So true. We are making enemies of each other instead of helping each other in removing from the addictions of these instant gratifications. The bigger enemies are the corporates and old farts that pay billions to suck the living genuine out of the box thoughts of the common individual to make them mindless 9-5 zombies so they can keep earning for their lavish life.
As I said a few weeks ago to my partner of life and love : "I don't care about you being manlier than me or not. I express my masculinity and my feminity the way I feel is good. You express your masculinity and your feminity the way you feel is good. If our expression create issue in our couple, we sit and we talk. Because that's how we do."
I love her so much I sometime have issue expressing it and I sometime feels like it may overwhelm her but...
Congratulations
but in order to create sexual polarity and atraction you need that difference, that masculine and femenine foces. Even gays know about it and act that way in the relationship.
expressing your feelings? she gona leave you pretty soon
@@brunocardoso3326 sorry you think that
@@TovarischSven speaking of experience, not out of my mouth like a lot of people that follow feminism like to do
Margaret Atwood said that The Handmaid's Tale was not supposed to be some dystopia but rather a reflection of real society and how its members view and objectify women. This seems rather on point and compatible with your thesis here.
Then America said, hold my beer.
Lmao delusions
Literally everything in the handmaid’s tale has happened somewhere in real life. It’s not delusion, it’s history
@@bocchithean-cap3404 lmao uneducated
@@lilliansoper9258 where
Thanks! Love the video. I'm glad you touched on the consumerism aspect. Also, how it's not a new trick. The system does a great job making us chase our tail while the neglect the responsibility we place on them and abuse the power we give them.
Thanks for this, the algorithms that be have been flooding me with manosphere content. This was a well needed antidote
Same 🥲🥲
I'm AFAB, but Nonbinary, partially because I'm a lot more comfortable in the healthy masculinity I've learned from my father than anything feminine. I'd always love to share with those guys what I learned from him but pretty sure they wouldn't listen to me lmao
He's stoic in regards to helping people: "It's just what you do." He takes pride in apologizing when he did something wrong because it serves justice. While he usually keeps his emotions under wraps, I've seen him cry many times because it means earnesty. You can use the masculine concepts of strength to be kind.
you gotta try. A lot of guys actually do like opening up, especially the younger ones.
Open up to Jesus Christ,it does help.
what do you think makes something masculine.
What NOBODY wants to talk about is how much of this stuff comes from media, NOT people. Frankly I've never seen a woman cry in public. I've asked my wife, her friends never cry around their friends, I think ONCE was an exception and she was drunk.
I've never understood the crying thing, I think the issue is 'showing weakness', which just seems bizarre.
@@mikearchibald744 I have and I’ve seen women cry in public, I made a friend that way actually 😊. At the same time, I agree it’s not a constant thing like how the media will have u believe
How I express masculinity is not by the dedication to a woman but by pursuing in my own life. If I then find a partner, I will of course want to take responsibility, but I would never stop my partner from her own achievements.
At age 34 I can say, not without some measure of guilt, that as a cis heterosexual male, in the last five to four years I have been dangerously close in fall down that rabbit hole, after a share of "bad experiences" in relationships, wich is another way to say (basically) relationships that made me leave with a badly bruised ego.
Still, somehow, lately and also (in no small measure) thanks to a great woman that for some reason thinks I'm the best thing that happened to her, I have found myself posing that same question multiple times. "What is masculinity?"
In the end, the only answer that makes some sort of sense in my head, now, is... just doing the best I can. Nothing more. Nothing less.
And we women dont feel women enough because no one fits in the stereotype of their own sex. We are all victims of stereotypes
You are the victims of feminism and its ideas and their biology
What a stupid response to the video
i never was insecure in femininity and i know zero women who were tbh
@@berearoselike? Elaborate plz
@@troodontidae9174 I was never insecure in femininity, because I never perceived myself as a woman and never identified as one. I was always perceiving myself as a human who happened to be a woman and has to go through all the objectification. And I also know women who felt like they aren't "women enough", because they're too tall, too flat, too loud. The majority of people a conformist and will view themselves as the society will dictate them, but a lot of people are uncomfortable with the rigid binary stereotypes.
Ugh, finally, some good discourse on masculinity. I'm glad we can have a frank discussion of how shitty traditional masculinity was just in general. Here's my story:
In my family, my grandfathers were both selfish bastards, my great grandfathers abusive bastards, and so on up the lines as far back as I can find. My mom broke free of that, thanks to the opportunity afforded by the 2nd wave, and kept me and my brother away from all that mess. My dad, for his part, was still extremely selfish. He isn't a bastard, I'll grant you that, though by the way he treated our family dog when his health was failing, I sometimes wonder.
As a guy, I feel lucky to have been raised with feminist ideas as the norm. The distinction between masculine vs feminine never struck me as particularly important identity, and it seemed perfectly natural to me to interact with the opposite sex all throughout childhood, whatever individual taste for either might be at any given time. Queer folk of all lifestyles seemed to be reasonable variants of the more common gender expressions and I found their outlook on gender as a whole to be much more compelling, despite the fact that I was a cishet guy myself. Most importantly, I felt like I had an absolute certainty of my masculinity's existence and integrity, as well as complete indifference to that fact as a relevant factor in my day-to-day.
With respect to dating, on the other hand, what a mess. You mean to tell me that someone actually expect me to filter through complete stranger's classified ads one by one on a pay-to-win slot machine for hundreds of individual attempts to get the opportunity to fuckin talk to a girl? That's really the best they can do? And I mean, capitalism, of course it is. Seriously though in my experience, actually getting girls interested in you, you actually have to have a relationship entirely incidental to the attraction first. Never once have I pursued a girl successfully, and I don't have to. I treat women with respect and authenticity and some of them really like what they see and come to me. I have to wonder how much headache could be avoided if we actually put an effort into socializing kids to interact with other genders before it becomes a problem.
to that i ask did you actually watch stuff from jordan peterson or kevin samuels beyond the "hot takes"? because seriously they have tons of Material that goes into how men can improve themselves in detail how to talk to women ,how to dress,how to act , etc. of course many people dont watch it because they think tearing down women was the point and refuse to change Themselves thats why people more likely want to watch fresh and fit dunking on miami chicks and not kevin samuels schooling you to get your act together because kevin samuels did the same thing to men if not even more brutally honest and direct.
@@laisphinto6372 what about my post makes you believe I felt the need to shore up my masculinity with tradcore pop psych?
@@FigureOnAStick its fine that you dont need but many do like the ones who have no fathers and no male role Models this is exactly why they attract so many men
@@laisphinto6372 that's a very intimate relationship to have with a stranger on the internet
@@FigureOnAStick yep that is the result of men without good role models and no fathers
Thank you comrade! I am nonbinary and I've always struggled with what my masculine side was. How yo define it. And your words here finally helped me see and realize the shape of what that part of me is
I'm a cishet male and I still have no fucking idea what masculinity is when discarding the modern capitalist patriarchal toxic attitudes towards masculinity.
Correct me if I'm wrong but really, you considering yourself to be nonbinary, isn't that moreso a rejection of what classic masculinity looks like and you not fitting it, as well as not fitting in with what is stereotypical feminine?
To elaborate I'm considering the material cause for why a person would identify as nonbinary. Perhaps people wouldn't feel a need to do so if society was just accepting of all men and women?
@@PurpleSnake nonbinary covers a wide range of ways of identifying. For my own personal story he was something I did for other people. But I'm also not female. I have a mixture of both
You are a man Chris. Non-binary doesnt exist
@@miliba silly me, you've helped me get over decades of confusion and pain by pointing out that simple fact. Thank you so much for educating me
Still gona watch it slowed down to trick the algorithm, keep up the good work tovarish.
This is yours 👑
funniest part is I never even knew about that trick. We made it run faster because we thought it'd be easier for all the slow attention spans out there. Bad move haha
@@YUGOPNIK Yeah, bad idea. They can always speed it up on their end if they desire to, but the default speed should be "normal". Appreciate the reupload!
@@YUGOPNIK it's okay, this is how we learn
@@YUGOPNIK man I liked the slower pace and music in the “The Trap of Decommunization and fall of Yugoslavia” vid.
we need more level-headed respectful men like you to join in these import conversations. Gender liberation, while still focusing on those who are most marginalized: women and trans people, really does require the support and cooperation of All genders. Cis Men also benefit from the dismantling of harmful patriarchal systems, in the sense that a lot of the problems that plague cis male populations are a direct result of toxic masculinity standards backfiring into men themselves. The idea that men must be completely logical, stoic, unemotional, leads to the higher suicide rate in men because they feel emotions are “feminine”. The higher rate of men being denied custody of their children even if they are more qualified to be a parent, is a direct result of patriarchy labeling childcare as “womens work”. When we dismantle these systems together we ALL benefit.
None of those things you listed lead to a "higher" suicide rate. Because men only succeed more than women at suicide; women attempt it 2-3 times more often. The factors contributing to the "higher" rate are all related to why men are more successful at it (more access to firearms, less likely to consider the impact of dealing with the body, etc). Those things you listed are all very important to dismantle because they do cause men pain, but you shouldn't hold them up in the suicide statistic comparison to women, because then you're just being incorrect.
Men are not denied custody more often, they just don't seek it out. When men *ask* for custody, most of them get it. They just either don't want the custody, or believe they won't get it and don't even try (which is a societal issue yes). But they certainly aren't being "denied" at a rate any higher than women. Again, there are issues contributing to the problem that should be looked into, but it's incorrect to frame it as being about the courts being "stacked against men", because they aren't. And you need to correctly identify a problem and its causes in order to solve it.
@@Zorae42 Thanks for the important clarifications!
@@Zorae42 men don't get custody of their children the majority of the time.
@@Zorae42 so I replied to this but I guess it didn’t post. It’s mostly common knowledge that the reason for “higher” statistics is because men are more likely to choose methods that would complete a suicide, instead of a failed attempt. However I did not want to stray too far off topic because I have adhd and dyslexia so I have to pick my battles when I’m writing. I’m also not trying to submit a formal essay to yoitube, so I only used a couple examples. I’m only saying this to mean I did not leave that bit of info out for malicious reasons or whatever… I mentioned custody because I see a lot of men say they have problems with this and list it as one of the reasons “masculinity is under attack” so this was more of an alternative reason for these claims rather than a judgement on whether the claims are correct. Hope that clears things up
@@morbidmanuscript9324 Oh, good to know! It's hard to tell because the MRA/Manosphere types like to trot out the suicide statistics and custody statistics as some sort of proof that men have it harder than women and just ignore the nuance present surrounding the statistics. They often frame them as examples of "men being disenfranchised by feminism". And it's just frustrating.
That's cool that you do understand the nuance present and were just going for shorthand, but I do recommend framing them as issues men face rather than comparing them to women or you're going to keep getting this sort of reaction.
Like: "Men have a high suicide rate" or "Men don't desire or think they can get custody".
Because otherwise you're doing exactly what the video says and still comparing men to women instead of just focusing on yourselves.
I’ve discussed this topic a lot. If you think about why men have hobbies/jobs/achieve things, many times they say they did it for a woman. (To win her affection, to provide for her family, to look attractive to women, etc). It’s like a weird lack of self worth and codependence.
Whereas woman in science never site a man for why they achieved their goals (maybe not never, but that’s not the main thing I ever hear). They achieved the goals because it was important to them, or the world, or because it was cool or interesting. You’re not gonna go around impressing men as a woman in stem lol Women in stem have to fight every step of the way to get there and stay there because they face so much discouragement.
I never really thought about it like this video specially, but I have observed very similar things.
Where some men find it very threatening that women can also do the jobs, roles, etc that men do because those men think that’s the only thing they are good for. How very sad.
Men are taught from an early age to objectify women. Women are a prize to be won, not a human being. They are a trophy and status symbol. Men chase success to attract women, but it is not in a noble or romantic way. It is a competition with other men and to appease their own egos. As he said in the video... their goal is to get laid. It has always been about sex and ego.
@@chihirostargazer6573 yeah, it’s weird. How empty life must feel to not seek true connections with people and the world around you.
I have some experience with this topic, I'm a man and I have trouble finding goals and things to live for. Helping others achieve their goals and grow makes me more fulfilled than doing anything for myself. I feel like I don't belong in this world that's increasingly having less and less use for men. Physically difficult jobs are now done by machines and so my only unique trait I can offer the world is obsolete.
@@anitaremenarova6662 helping others is a good thing, and is a good thing to live for if that is what you are really passionate about :)
It’s funny because woman are told they can’t do anything all the time (told they aren’t strong enough, smart enough, etc.) but woman do it anyway. And do it well. … (Despite media campaigns that say women can do it all, many are very discouraged from goals from their peers/families)
I’m sure you have many traits that are very useful and unique apart from strength! And, there’s plenty of jobs that need strength, too. Machines replaced a lot of manual labor, but manual labor still exists in many fields like medicine, firefighters, farming, etc.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Seconding what Minty Hippo said. You might be able to do more than you think.
Should you have the time, look up volunteer organizations in your area or mutual aid stuff. They always need extra hands and you'll find your niche-by necessity, if nothing else, since everyone can't do everything all the time.
Also, no shame in trying to seek support or therapy (inasmuch as you can). You deserve good mental health and thinking you're worthless is, as you said, a by-product of systemic issues but we can try to steel ourselves. Doesn't mean we'll succeed, but the greatest first step is trying. Like Yugopnik said, a lot of self-improvement is to make us complicit with the system, however to seek inner strength so as to find effective ways of resisting the system (mutual aid!!! protest!!!!) is something we can try.
My book about this video, and my laziness to make sure it's grammatically correct.
I'm going through an incredible period of growth. Having my son has given me time to reflex on who I am and who I want to be. The video tied something together in my brain.
I was raised in a fundamental and abusive religious community without education and a now seemingly stereotypical poor treatment of women in those communities. Women can only find happiness through raising sperm to term, making sandwiches, and serving others. I have found incredible happiness though having a son, cooking every meal, and improving our home.
That is not all I need. I need the dignity of education. I'm in college now. The joys and societal benefits of playing with chemicals aka chemistry. The happiness that comes with helping those in need and of course getting something you need.
The hope I can change society for the better for my partner, son, and myself. The goal of preventing women being forced via the law to live as I lived in that depressing religious community that I long ago shed.
The pleasure of pursuing human fulfillment.
The End
you sticking around for your son and your partner is already setting a good example, even if things are difficult. you wanting to raise your son right, and not defaulting to archaic beliefs and strict traditions, is setting a good example. young boys these days are fed on the internet and pushed into misogyny before they can take their SATs. keep improving yourself and keep being honest with your family, and everything will work out.
I liked your book, I'd review it. hehe!
Personal inner growth and the ways it translates into our external life and those around us for some reason seems to me, to be systematically underrated in current culture, sometimes altogether ignored. I am very happy for you. Greetings from Mexico
Book? Where can i find this?
I hope college is helping you with your grammar and punctuation if you're writing books 💪
👏🏾 I hope to be like you
This is probably the most poggers take on masculinity I've seen put into words
I find myself agreeing 100%
Petition to make masculinity just being yourself, uncaring about all the arbitrary notions of the past, as long as you're not actively being a menace to others.
Like as a father myself I always found it weird when other dads around me expressed this need to take care of their family, not because they care to do so, but because it's their "duty as a man" when that's really just twisted.
It's not a duty as a man...it's a duty as a father, and that's entirely different than placating fragile notions of masculinity, it's literally just doing what a parent should do as someone who is obligated to do so when they made the active choice to bring a life into the world
Based
Ah yes, those fathers are the Walter Whites of society.
I agree with everything you said but using poggers in this genuine context is wild lmao
@@greentaigo2552 he's very based for that
perhaps, but this is exactly what the capitalist class wants. This is also how we ended up here with this level of inequality. Men basically rejecting that "toxic" rebellious violent streak and taking our wage slavery passively.
Slowed down and reverbed mix
Why Women get Blamed for The Crisis Of Masculinity (Slowed + reverb)
"A masculinity so 'manly' that it doesn't give a damn about how anyone chooses to express it"
This is why Yugopnik is the GOAT.
This is significantly more pleasant on the ears, thank you for the extra effort
much appreciated for the reupload, looking forward to giving it another watch
This was an amazing but refreshing viewpoint on this topic. It feels to have hit the deeper areas of the 'manosphere' where so few other videos barely even get close to.
Thank you for this video. There has been a rise of anti-women men and while I care about them finding their masculinity I questioned myself and wondered if my feminism was a problem against them. But for both men and women, we must always look inward to find our identity. It shouldn’t be centered on external temporary life conditions. It’s your Spiritual beliefs, your faith, your mindset, values, your own actions etc.
This is better but I still like the natural speed yugopnik best.
sincerely, hands and martini glass gang.
I first came into this expecting an attack against me wanting a girlfriend as I usually do as a red pill beta. But after giving the video a chance, I agree with everything. I want to have a girlfriend, I want love. But in a modern western society, influencers preach on how every woman is a whore and a slut and deserve to be treated like trash, just because the influencers were rejected or had their hearts broken. In turn, women refuse to let dirty creeps lay their dirty fingers on their precious bodies. That is why sexual assualt towards women is so high, because of creeps who were cohersed into believing women love to be hurt. My red pill brothas, I have a message for you all... think for yourself, and reject losers who think they are more important than you.
I’m fully expecting this upload to be bass boosted and 10x speed
Not me beating my chest like a gorilla for the new Yugopnik video
It's only in the last few years where people have begun to keep questioning these masculine and feminine ideals around me. It's important, don't get me wrong, but sometimes I just want to dress and act how I want without a million people questioning my gender identity. Yes, I like both feminine and masculine things. I don't get why it's so controversial, and it shouldn't be for men either.
I was born 24 years before Roe v Wade. I know what it was like for many women. It was hard for a woman to get a high paying job in a large company or even in a small one. And back then one of the first things an interviewer for a job would ask a woman is was she pregnant or was she planning to become pregnant. They might ask this even before they know if she was married and if she was single the thought was well she's going to get married and now we've lost somebody so let's just not hire women. And most men never heard the horror stories of those desperate women who couldn't have a child at the time and went for back alley abortions and so many of them died horrible deaths. I had to have one but it was in a nice clean place a doctor's office but the mental strain was overwhelming. And all of this and you want to talk about masculinity when all the time it's been about control, just as it is now. It always has been about control. The minute humans started gathering in towns and cities women became second class citizens and it's always been only one thing control the thing that men fear most, women.
Men are also mostly victims, why they should be drafted , and the problem nobody seems to care about mens issues.
@@soy_boy69 talk to me about that when you lay in a back Ward dying horribly from sepsis because you were mangled by a back street abortionist. Men had it good for a long f****** time
I have no idea where you're getting this info from. Personally, I'd like to define masculinity for me. I'm not scared of women because women aren't a monolith.
@@DoomShrm masculinity is not that different from being a female. You care about other people and you do your best to help. That's it. Masculine it is not going running out in the woods with an AR-15 or being in the gym 4 days a week to pump your muscles or dare I say slapping your woman around. If you're a man you don't need your masculinity defined because you already know what it is
@@tanawilliams7498 Ofc it's not that different because we are both human first, then gendered but it's a close 2nd. My def of masculinity is not based around doing macho shit because that's not what I was raised around. I guess when I think of masculinity I think of my grandpa because growing up I saw him as a gentle giant. Personally, my def is you're a man if you have balls and usually that comes with certain ways of thinking/behaviors but not always because ppl are individuals. I came up with this def pretty early in life and learning ab LGBT shattered it. The thing is if masc is anything you decide it is then in reality it is nothing because it has no definition at that point it is nothing more than individuality. But ofc we know that there is something that defines or most cis men wouldn't stay cis and trans men wouldn't feel more connected to cis men than they do cis women.
So fast, so intense, so.... so masculine
One of the biggest problems in this discourse is that our culture has determined that there is no right or wrong way to be a woman, but still insists there is a right or wrong way to be a man. This is perpetuated by everyone.
Damn thats actually very well put 🤔
I have a sneaking suspicion that this issue is the linchpin holding back some catastrophic cultural shift. Weak men don't tend to hold societies together for long. When everyone is submissive the barbarian comes in for the plunder.
Our culture has determined that there is no right or wrong way to be a woman? Are we living in the same world? Women have been judged and suppressed since forever WITH the illusion that doing what they're told is how to be a good woman, and having an opinion or a will to take their own decisions is straying away from the right path and becoming a bad woman
Bs, women are told all the time how they should behave, look, and think, just to fit the standards of "a good woman"
@@bahjan8316 I think he means currently in the Western world.
I can enjoy this. Thank you!! I will share it far and wide
Such a refreshing viewpoint. I'm sure this video is gonna make thousands of people reexamine their ideas and finally voice half-formed convictions they've held for a while. It did for me. This is what we needed, thank you for your insightful work!
This video got me thinking. Wondering how so many cis women in my country are either single and sad about it, or settle for short term unhappy relationships because of a lack of better options. In both cases the women are admittedly miserable.
Edit- . I am a 30 year old man from India. I've only shared what I've heard from women friends and how they feel being single and in relationships. Women that I've spoken with who've shared their experiences, including my current and ex girlfriends have become "modern" - but the men are expected, by the same women to fulfil "traditional" roles. I would love to hear from women on how they view this situation.
I don’t know if country makes a difference here (I’m Canadian for the record) but as a woman, I think it’s probably just the fear that one cannot be happy without a romantic partner. Even if it’s just subconscious- and society might not push this idea as directly of obviously as before- but I think a lot of women rush into relationships that not end up being happy or long lasting just because “it’s the thing to do” and being single is treated as a failure, or they fear ending up the “lonely cat lady.”
Maybe I’m just pointing out the obvious. But we really need to stop acting like being single (and having cats? Wtf) even later in life is some sad pathetic state. Honestly this stereotype is often used by men to scare women into thinking we NEED to lower our standards and date men at all cost to be happy. And then you also have women who would otherwise date, but don’t want to because of heterofatalism, they know dating men is dangerous, and/or the thought that most men don’t see women as equals is simply so depressing that it causes women to give up dating altogether.
Overall we need to destroy the idea that the only true family or long-lasting form of community and companionship is the traditional nuclear hetero family. (And of course, there are men who rush into unhappy relationships for similar reasons. People are feeling isolated due to lack of choices for what kind of companionship or family they want.)
@@Fantallana Succinctly put. People need to first find worth within themselves before rushing into a relationship, otherwise they'll only have one source of happiness/purpose which is never healthy. Relationships are meant to be supplementary, not dependent.
@@anitaremenarova6662 I see plenty of relationships that are based on some level of dependency though
Is it not ok to still want a romantic partner without being 100% mentally healthy, shit most people aren't mentally healthy yet are still in relationships
@@painunending4610 Relationships are about co-dependency, there is a limit to that though as I've previously mentioned.
People will engage in unhealthy behaviors regardless, just look at how many people smoke or drunk despite it being bad for them.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Exactly so why does everybody tell me I have to be mentally healthy before getting in a relationship when no one else is?
I think the notion of "man as a provider" needs to die as a default.
A lot of the problems seem to stem from the fact that us men simply don't really understand how women talk with each other. We either treat them like other guys, which is just outright disastrous because since we think differently they just end up feeling uncomfortable or creeped on, or we try to limit conversations with them, but that just makes them feel left out and the whole "Ignored because of sexism" can of worms starts because of that...
Also, I LOVE that a left leaning creator is actually being helpful and not just "Men are the root of all evil", I sincerely thank you for that
I seriously wonder what would men who "don't know how to talk to women" do if they had a sister. Do they see literally EVERY woman as the same? I mean, you say we "think different" and it's true but don't we all?
@@askatuproductions I've noticed men who grew up with sisters tend to know how to talk to women.
@@isbalella unless they're the type that abuses them, some even killed their sisters for accusations and rumors
@@isbalellaI have an older brother but he still doesn't know how to talk to girls. He talks to them as if their another one if his own sisters. And you can imagine how awkward that is.
No offense man but there's no such thing as "men and women think differently". That shit is made up and neuroscience has proved it to be false but for some reason it's not a known fact yet. Read about neurosexism for more about this. Also, there's no secret code about how to talk to a woman. The examples you gave are probably because of the type of women you met idk. But me and my girl friends talk about the most stupid and mundane shit ever like our classes and homework and what kind of job we dream of in the future once we finish college and our health and hygiene habits, giving each other advice, music and fictional media we watch and enjoy. Just normal conversations. And I talk about the same stuff the same way to my male friend who also talks to me about the same stuff and about some aspects of his personal life and I also talk to him about my life and it's pretty normal. Nothing special or crazy about it. Just try it with a normal woman, rather than a paranoid chronically online one who thinks every man on the street is gonna kill her because tiktok told her so.
I think we have to get over the oversimplification that masculinity is exclusive to men and femininity is exclusive to women. People are complex and every single person is a unique blend of the two. Men just have to understand this and recognize the feminine in themselves and the masculine in the women they know. This is the only way we can be whole and accept others as whole.
no masculine man wants a masculine woman tho. only cringe male feminists.
@@Truekeks085 they don't know what they miss
tomboy supremacy
exactly, a healthy person has a bit of both masculine and feminine qualities. maybe each individual has various degrees of it, but it shouldn't make you proud to have none of one gender expression or so little of one that you might as well have none. that means you are neglecting parts of yourself that NEED attention for you to be fully healthy.
It is something that expresses your ignorance from just one video. You made judgments and gave freedom that everyone has the ability to express masculinity and femininity. These gender concepts are a private matter for each gender, and such matters should not interfere between Otherwise, many things in society will be spoiled
I finally found a video discussing men and women that makes me think
I literally feel like I haven't gone to the gym for a year, but for my brain
FINALLY, some food for thought...
I love hearing legitimate, scholarly questions really examined and applied to our current reality. We are nothing without the concepts in which we set ourselves against. Such a great video, thank you!
Thank you for the extra effort to post this. That said, now I've got to comment again telling you to follow this up with more videos. Oh, well.
1 - Following this up could provide an off-ramp for people to exit the manosphere.
2 - Following this up with a video on a Marxist analysis of the creation of burgeois family, and thus, masculinity (see Caliban and the Witch). Cross-referencing it with original Soviet feminism (crushed by Stalin, but painstakingly brought back... for the most part...) wields interesting insights. For example, how the decried "peasant mentality" actually helped women's rights to advance, since the peasantry didn't have to overcome as much the urban burgeois divisions of labour (women's work was still regarded as real work).
3 - Following this up with a video on the way technological change has altered social divisions of labour and thus made feminism inevitable would be great. Liberated to pursue any goal, women can feel empowered to be anything, from housewives to professional fighters. Men, on the other hand, get told that most previous positive role models were wrong, but receive no new ones to fill the gap, and feel disempowered. ... EXCEPT it didn't happen as much in socialist countries. The socialist man was far less scared of women, and when the socialist block fell, women usually found out that capitalism made their lives harder, not easier. Why is that? It's definitely worth investigating and coming back to tell us about it in a video or 2.
While it doesn't adress all of these points my video on the Family addresses quite a few of rhem, you can find it on my channel :)
You know sometimes I wonder if our socialist women liberation moment were successful because we were an Agrarian society and in our wars against foreign invaders in the past women had many times play the role of the leaders.
Caliban and the Witch is so good. It adressed a lot of the gaps and unjust assumptions in the more well-known marxist texts on the family, womanhood and the origin of capitalism, and offers a different, more expansive view of primitive accumulation in the late medieval period.
It also deals with things like the devaluation of reproductive labor and how women's reproductive rights were taken away as a means to solve the workers' shortage, which are still painfully relevant today.
@@YUGOPNIK Yes, it's a great video, actually, one of the best Engels presentations I've ever seen. It's the masculinity spin on the question that's my suggestion, since providing an off-ramp from the manosphere is something that can have a significant impact on the lives of many.
@@juliahenriques210 That off-ramp yall speak of sounds great. The path to a fulfilling life through masculine perfectionism is a lonely, painful road. It is however AN ANSWER for many men such as myself that seek a way to combat our sense of lack tied with the status of social outcasts. Desperation breeds action, however I, for one, would much appreciate a counter-perspective to simply "being more masculine". Being a feminine guy comes with so much internal shame for me, as, within this paradigm, it is supposedly a personal failure, the same way being lazy would be.
This is SOOO excellent and hilarious 😂😂😂😂
There were so many lines that made me cackle.
"state mandated girlfriend."
"Soros woman lobby"
"Serve our female overlords"
This is great commentary and so desperately needed.
I do believe miscommunication and assigning blame to men and women is a very old tradition that has to stop. We are all humans.
We are all honestly trying to figure out how to navigate all of the complexities of social life and our interpersonal relationships.
I think the least we can do is just stop terrorizing each other and listen to understand each other.
Keep up the great work
As a former manospherian, this was a very interesting video and I agree. You either get bitter or get better 😉
Congrats on growing and getting better! 🥳
Happy to see that you’re recovering
Thank you God!! Thank you!! I don't hate men, I don't hate women, I want us all to get along with each other to progress towards the future😭👌. There's hope thank you. I was afraid there was nobody on UA-cam who could express this idea without bias. Thank you.
Holy crap I actually started crying at the "French is a waste of time" Hakim gang meme, I'm definitely using that in the future, thank you mr Yugopnik
I AM A WOMAN AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS MUCH NEEDED HEALTHY AND GENUINELY HONEST VIDEO ON MASCULINITY.
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And this is how a truly happy feminine rewards a genuine trying honest healthy masculine. With lots of love!!!
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It's weird because as as woman I never asked myself what it means to be a woman, I just exist lol I just am, I'm living my life and that's it, while so many men crack their heads trying to be their idea of a "man"
You are a lucky woman
You are a woman because your biological structure says so, let's assume my idea that you are a woman, will you resort to masculine matters, is this your understanding of these matters
Because so many men care about what other men want them to be
I truly wish this video reaches a wider audience,this was absolutely wonderful.
I always thought of myself as a person/human being instead of a man. I couldn't careless about being masculine.
I do understand why some people feel the need to act that way.. social rejection from other man and women. It's an awful feeling when people start treating you differently if you aren't like them or their ideal version of who you are "supposed" to be. This isn't something I experience with everybody but certain types of people instantly will start to respect you less if you don't conform.
Luckily my friends and family aren't like that at all but I do notice it at work or other public places.
Maybe some people just lack the empathy to understand.
Maybe some people were accidents of God as much as all pills
Great video comrade! I believe there's a useful juxtaposition to be found when it comes to the dating scene, where so very many have expressed that they only ever started getting any kind of success with finding a partner when they "stopped caring so much", opting instead to simply focus inward. Similarly, I wholly agree with your video and feel that masculinity can only be realized through us genuinely, unapologetically defining ourselves along lines that are, by its very essence, strictly about ourselves - our hobbies, our likes and dislikes, our humor and other matters related to our actual personhood. It's wholly destructive to do as we are in the present, where we desperately relate it to exterior forces and our capacity to influence our surrounding world (or control it) in order to build an abstract ideal that can, for the vast majority of us, never be realized - never mind that this kind of masculinity isn't even desirable for virtually everyone else, even if a few of us could technically achieve it.
I just wanna say the whole 'stop caring and it will happen' thing isn't necessarily a guarantee. For a long term I didn't care about relationships and focused inward and even then I didn't get any success. When I go out I don't even try and look for romantic partners and just try to have a good time, I don't flirt with people or ask people out and still have no success
@@painunending4610 that's how life is? It's the same for women in this aspect. If you thing most women have flocking herds of men areound them then you're mistaken. You still kinda sound desperate. After all these years you should not care about having a partner. After all if you just want sex go to the sexworker and if you're at human connection then make good friends with men and women
Good shit comrade. Your recent videos like this one and the determinism vs free will one have been great at answering common burning questions with a solid Marxist analysis. Keep up the great work! (Preferably at your regular pace)
On a side note, do you plan to have Marxist Paul on the Deprogram anytime soon? I mean don’t get me wrong, the usual shooting of the shit is great, and I look forward to the interviews with Cockshott and Zak Cope, but I am nostalgic for the collabs y’all used to do.
"Vagina Gandalf" 😂 excellent video! Your conception of the ideal masculinity reminds me of the Richard Feynman quote: "What do you care what other people think?"
Personally, i like your normal speed. Even if it may seems slow to others, it allows me to take the time to digest everything. But whatever direction you decide to take it, I will support you comrade. Thanks for another great video!
Always great to hear zizek's thoughts on love and (sexual) relationships some of his best work imo
blame is such a rough word when destruction comes from within
Very nice video pal, i can only report my experience: as an only son that grew up without a father, both a blessing and a curse, i was never raised to be a "True Man™". My mother taught me to be a responsible human being, thinking about the outcomes of my actions and when it is the time to act, to act morally.
So all that "women are this men are that"; all the Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma, greek alphabet nonsense; the "honor" or "respect", that we usually defend in trivial situations when drunk in a disco but never when facing our boss; or the showcasing of our "status" through the acquisition of brand name crap to impress the ladies, never stuck.
As such i don't feel like masculinity or femininity even matter, the freeer the women the freeer are men too, so that we can finally stop being defined and valued by the fact that we can get laid, provide and protect.
While there are some women that are just plain bad, some feminists that just lost their shit; i think that at the end of the day the real threat to "manliness" are the Tates, Petersons and online "coaches" and smoke sellers that want to impose us a one-way road to be "true men" whatever that means, or sell that to us in the process.
And as an italian i'm proud to say: Bandiera Rossa Trionferà, sempre!!! lol
Very well said. In America you have the grifters telling other men how to be real men, but never about how to be a human 😓
Almost like the American men don't care about being humane any longer it's just about how big they dinks are and how many other women they can get to sleep with them 🤢
oh. my. God. I feel like I've been trying to put this into words for YEARS. But I would twist it around too. What is feminine without the counter of masculine? And are they even different? I like to think about the dom sub dynamic. You can be a power top sub, or a gentle bottom dom, but still those roles exist. And who really has the power? The sub ultimately of the relationship "works the way it's supposed to" because subs can stop it at any time. So who holds the power in a trad cis straight relationship? The woman because they are bringing forth the legacy and next generation. As soon as that disappears, women are what? And what are men? Take away childrearing and childbearing and what is the actual difference? That's why people really fear trans people. On both sides.
This is where diaIecticaI materiaIism and historicaI materiaIism. People are affect by their condition. Once the condition change people change.
"So who holds the power in a trad cis straight relationship? The woman because they are bringing forth the legacy"
I would say men hold the power in traditional relationships because, historically, they are the ones who had the power to divorce, and women did not. Legacies, like last names were traced through the fathers lineage. Also, its probably safe to say that patriachies are controlled by the patriarchs, not their wives.
@@Otherwise88 that's not really power. Women never feared losing a husband, only a paycheck. Men themselves forced women to be with them. Husbands raped, beat etc. As you just said... divorced and took away children (in the past). A lot of women don't really get the protection from marriage so what exactly are men adding when Women are most likely to be killed by their romantic partners?. That's why feminism happened. We rather work than be in forced relationships.
The power is access to sex. Thats why men are losing their minds because standards are now "too high". Too high standards don't exist when it comes to a woman's body. She can ask for anything because men will do anything for sex. How many men fuck up their so called "hard" qnd high paying areers Over and over again for sex? Too many to count. Women definitely have way more power in romantic relationships.
Nah I fear trans people especially trans women because most have autogynephilia.
Your questions are the money of a 15-year-old who does not understand anything in this life. Go and educate and do not let a single video or point of view affect you.
I genuinely love videos like this. I struggle to understand the philosophy behind many of the ideologies I dislike, and knowing my enemy is quite necessary. This wave of anti-feminist thought must be combated
what do you mean? Do you want to become a female, oh God, how fragile your minds are and you are affected by one video
I think you are missing the point that the anxiety about masculinity is an anxiety for a sense of worth in the eyes of a community (and the opposite gender). Therefore, the individualistic solution you give, of not caring about standards and just doing whatever you want, doesn't help at all with that feeling, because it's in essence very solipsistic. At best, all that attitude will give you is a conection with small, impermanent and dispersed groups of people which happened to choose a similar identity, while you still remain alienated from most of society and lacking a concrete sense of belonging.
I would argue for example that men on the left derive a sense of security from the reassurance of having value for partaking in a struggle, or by having certain moral or social qualities deemed as positive by this specific community. However, it's not very effective because the left isn't really a place, or a well-defined holistic way of living, but rather a vague, shapeless mix of ideologies, which can't provide a predictable sense of permanence. And likewise happens with all the right-wing self-improvement communities. They offer only some general agreement, and then you are left with partial connections to particular individuals or groups which agree with you on this or that, and only give you validation insofar as those issues are concerned and never validation as a whole human person.
Things like religion, for example, are on the contrary more successful in that regard because it offers a specific, enduring and widespread sense of belonging, where the expectations are clear and there's immediate social support and acceptance. That sort of sense of identity is what I think the people complaining about the place of men in society want: not just any answer as to what they should be, but a social network whithin which that identity will be appreciated and offered avenues to grow and connect with the rest of the community. It's not a personal problem, but a problem of connections.
You nailed it on the head. Especially when you define here the “anxiety around masculinity.” I have some of the same fears and when they crop up which is like everyday day I’d often think, “why am I trying to be so masculine?” Because I always thought those issues were only tied to being a man.
If I remember the quote correctly, a women is highly valued but a man has to build up his value. As a man you get judged hard and called many names if you can't look after yourself. If you can't provide for yourself. If you can't function by yourself. I feel women get it easier in that regard tho with people slowly changing with the time it might just be an equal thing for both genders in the future.
@@lexkek5625 Women have those same problems as men in your comment. You were a example when you treated women as badly as the things you complain about for men by pretending women don't have those same problems. Which is also hypocritical of you.
There are women who are killed because there are men, like incels, angry that women don't meet their high standards.
Another example is the high standard of not wearing a hijab. A six yr old girl was killed for not wearing a hijab.
Some men expect 50/50 where women have to work and provide as much as men. Plus, still be traditional homemakers, be pregnant, and raise children.
The Financial Diet gave data on how some women work more than men and are expected to cause of reasons like that.
Watch Childfree Kimberly on 102 reasons why I'll never have kids on the many physical harms of pregnancy. Including causing deaths, disability, and allergies. Many people do not know about these things and they are not talked about enough. But pregnancy is expected of and forced onto women.
Watch Kavernacle on women. Like how conservatives push to take away voting from women. How is that not having high standards on women that women have to work hard to earn basic rights?
There are men who say "equal fights, equal rights". Meaning they demand women to do equal fights, military, or work as men. Or be as equally physically strong as men.
Watch Manisfestelle on the 4B movement.
There were women used as canon fodder in war.
There are women not wanting to date, marry, have intercourse, or want to be childfree. One reason is because of women problems being ignored. Which includes violence towards females.
How are things like violence towards women and the constant high standards and bullying on women mean women are just valued?
You're lying cause you complain about women and have standards on women too.
There are some people biased for men too.
"We no longer decapitate each other to prove who the bigger man is."
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Aw fuck did I miss a memo or something?
This video is a breath of fresh air. The last video i got suggested of a man talking about women was trying to philosophically and scientifically prove why men are attracted to specific body types and the video and comments were so disappointing, mostly dudes justifying their objectification and rating women’s appearance by number all acting like beauty standards and ideal body types don’t vary GREATLY throughout the world and throughout history. And COMPLETELY degrading women by talking about their value only on their looks and criticizing them for getting plastic surgery when that’s where THEY place our value!!
@FuckOuttaHere women have been historically dehumanized and objectified by men who held more power. Like since the beginning of written history
@FuckOuttaHere this has real long term systemic, generational, societal effects. Misogyny is the oldest form of oppression and objectification is a tool that's been used against us that we can't use against men in the same way because of the power they've historically held over us
lol cope
@@akiko3688 Males ☕
@FuckOuttaHere Men do it in a evil way, though. Not comparable.
i just regained my faith in humanity after watching this
I want to become a dragon of chaos.
Oh god it’s a scalie
The amount of men explaining that they really think that all problems in today's society are due to women in this video's comments is scary and proves the point
This answered-rather put together thoughts about my own problems and resentments and hate of those same resentments cause I knew they were petty and small. Thanks. I’m free. I lack. But that’s no one’s fault. We’re all banging around trying to fill the void. I got beat up a bit by others trying to do so with me. I beat them up a bit doing the same. Now I can ignore them and do so without getting entangled in the ego of others, without trying to tangle myself in relationships, or without expecting empathy in a way that the society I live in doesn’t easily allow. Sincerely appreciate your work here. Gonna save this vid.
This is still sped up though, right?
Still finding something about the audio very distracting and kinda off, sorry.
0.75x speed if you want it to follow better.
Everything in this video reminds me of the time I tried to watch a Kevin Samuels after he died to see what all the noise was about. Great video!
In my albanian family i see a lot of catering to mens insecurities by just allowing them to lash out when they dont get their way. Allowing yourself to act out against the ones you love is a hard cycle to escapr bc it can feel so comfortable, compared to confronting yourself. However, the freedom you can feel by carving out your own definition of masculinity is amazing. Great video balkan comrade
I come back to this video once in awhile just to read the comments and laughing at all of the dudes getting absolutely triggered. Imagine having no ability to be a decent human being.
I'm nut 30 seconds in and that "Women writing Men" thing already killed me. Good job!
this was so on point, i've watched 3 times and subbed.
Why not? Every feminist theorist diagnosed the problems of women as the results of men.
As the video state at 11:53 feminism and other form of women empowered have been hijacked by mainstream ideologies. It obviously that patriarchy exists but that doesn't mean all men benefit from it at all times. Patriarchy hurts men too because it reduces men to being just laborers to the system and tries to ease their true frustrations with women. It's not that feminism hates men, it's that feminism that isn't rooted in proper analysis can get hijacked by other ideologies and won't be a benefit to anyone anymore. Feminism is simply a lense that can be added onto things humanity should be discussing which is class relations and the class struggle.
I hope you see this comment as an olive branch, feminists are not out to get you.
and yet the result of their movement has made wamen unhappier on average and has ruined the relationship between men and ladies.
despite this they will still claim that if only everyone adopted their wako beliefs then everything would be fine.
Yeah and in the same way feminism has ruined relationships between men and women certain types of red pill ideologies are doing the same. Creating bitter men who will die alone.
@@creeperkingdom3190 women are actually happier on average. Most relationships I see around me are fine.
@@tally3067 Depend on which surveys and pollsters. While I' m no fan of the manosphere, I think that too many feminist theories had been poisoning too many discussions and responsible for the ineptitude of the left in bringing any meaningful changes to society. Nice to see these morons got panicky when they are realizing that there are actually a massive public backlash against them from both genders. In real life, barely anybody can pretend be virtue signalers, so relationships remained whatever the couple chose to be.