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Connecting Your PC directly To Your NAS-Maximize Your Performance
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- During this video, I will show you how to hook up your PC or laptop directly to your NAS and gain maximum performance between the two devices without the need to add an expensive switch. This is an ideal situation if you only have one computer that needs "high speed" access to the NAS.
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Concept
1:45: Process
3:42 Virtual Switch Setup
5:40 Testing
7:40 Wrap Up
8:49 Summary
Out of the 2000 Qnap videos I have watched. This video, by far, has been the most useful. Thank you for the info. I tried it out and it works great.
Outstanding, glad it worked and thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it.
This is exactly the solution I've been looking for. Great video. Thank you!
Awesome, thanks for the feedback.
This is exactly what I was looking for. I do a lot of (necessary) transcoding on files that reside on the NAS and this should be extremely valuable.
Glad to hear and thanks for the feedback.
same... I was looking into 10g solutions but I would need to make an investment of over $1000 for it and more power consumption while all I was trying to do is maximize my transfer speeds between my nas and my pc and laptop at a much lower rate. Thank you for the solution.
This is great. Thanks for the clear directions. Worked like a charm on a TVS-h674 this evening and will save me from having to buy a $200 switch which I won't need!
Awesome, glad it help. Thanks for the feedback!
Nice real work tutorial
Good job Mike
Thank you!
The is a very helpful video, thanks Mike!
Glad it was helpful and thanks for the feedback.
This is one of those rare NAS videos that is actually helpful. is there anything else that I would need to do if I was directly connecting two computers rather than one?
If you are not going to use a switch you can use another direct attach like this one. There are several USB plugs on the NAS. Thanks for the feedback.
Found this instantly where I realized my switch was only good for 10GBe and not 5. Thx!
Awesome, thanks for the feedback!
Good vídeo!
Thanks for the feedback.
First and foremost, thank you so much for making this video, you just saved me a bunch of money and god bless you for that. I have my nas, my desktop and 2 laptops that I need max transfer speeds, does that mean that am going to need 2 adapters for the nas server and 1 for each laptop?
If you have that many devices attaching to the NAS that need max speed at the same time, you may want to consider a high-speed switch like a 2.5GbE switch (or higher) to simplify things. Otherwise, you will need an adapter for each connection at the NAS and one for each client assuming they are all connected at the same time. This can get messy with that many devices. This method works great but is better suited for one connection. Because the NAS can connect to a switch using only one connection, it may cost less or approximately the same to use something like the 2.5.GbE unmanaged (ua-cam.com/video/0NBnFOZAXN8/v-deo.html). Laptops tend to be slower at transfers. With this many devices, you would need 6 adapters, and with a switch, you would need the switch, and only 4 adapters and would provide you some growth. Either way, you choose, good luck, and thanks for the feedback. Let me know what you decide.
Which home NAS device would you recommend; as inexpensive as possible. Nice video, thanks.
There are new ones coming out but currently I would get the TS-453. Gives you room expansion.
In case the PC has a USB-C Gen2 10Gb/s connection is it possible to connect a QNAP TS-464 through its USB3.2 Type-A Gen 2 10Gb/s capable connector with a USB-C cable only.
To simplify even further this direct PC Data transfer with even higher speeds?
Not sure as I have never tried it. Great question.
@@MikeFaucher I have tried it but my QNAP TS-464 has no Quick Access possibility, however the one in your video should be able to do that.
@@Dombi3D Thanks for the update.
Thank you for your video. But then when I try to do the same by adding adaptor 1 and 2 to the virutal swtich, the NAS freeze and no longer response. I need to hard reset the setting again. May I know if there is any problem with my setting? and if there is any method that I can store my setting in my QNAP NAS such that it is easier for me to reload those old setting to a new NAS? Thank you in advance and your video is always helpful and inspiring, espically for NAS beginner like me.
Hard to say without seeing your settings but it sounds like there is conflict in the way you are setting the network settings vs your computer. What IP address are you setting the NAS and PC to?
One question: using this method, if you configure the interface as a virtual switch are you still able to take advantage of port trunking to get a 2GbE connection to the 1GbE switch in your example? I would imagine it would look something like Adapter 1, Adapter 2 and Adapter 5 would make up the virtual switch and somehow you would need to aggregate Adapter 1 and Adapter 2. Is this possible or does creating the virtual interface like this disable the ability to configure port trunking?
Have not tried that exact combination but you can create multiple virtual switches.
why do you need to use a Qnap USBEthernet adapter when you have two RJ-45 interfaces on the back of the NAS unit? Is it not possible to use the RJ-45 adapter #1 for connection with the switch and adapter #2 for connection to the PC?
The 5GbE USB is 4-5 times faster so if you have a high speed network card in your PC, you can attach the NAS directly at a much faster speed.
Interesting. Pls consider doing a video on considerations involved with expanding NAS space. I have a QNAP TS 251+ with 2 x 4 TB in RAID 1 config and now < 1 TB free space remaining. QNAP expansion chassis with USB connection vs new 4 Bay QNAP NAS vs simply replace existing drives with 2 x 10 TB?? The drive expansion seems simplest and best; 6 TB of new space would give years of free space and > service reliability with new drives ... but interested in your thoughts??
I can certainly do a video on NAS expansion. Have you seen the other videos on that topic? I posted some links below for reference. As for your question, I would pick option three and add a NAS instead of the expansion chassis. There are a couple of reasons. First, the expansion box does not support raid expansion so you will have to fill it right from the beginning and in the RAID configuration of choice. It also sets up as a separate volume which is not a problem but it will not just expand your current volumes. Lastly, it is USB and relies on the controller from your main NAS. The way I figure it, given the cost of drives is equal on any option, the only real cost difference is between the NAS and the Expansion box. I would buy a TS-453D (~450) and 2 8T drives, This would be about the same cost as having to buy 4 drives to load up the expansion unit but with much more expansion opportunity. It also allows me to switch my data to the faster NAS and use the older unit as a backup or for photos.
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@@MikeFaucher I think I understand your logic. Thx for the fast reply. Sorry to lean on your expertise too much but ... Question ... what is best means to transfer the data from existing TS-251+ to the new TS-453D with 2 x 8 TB drives in RAID 1 config?
@@donsylvester5275 You have two options. The first is to set up the new NAS from scratch and copy the data over share by share. This way takes longer and is more work but there is more control. The second is to replace your current drives one at a time using the drive replacement on the old unit and when it is done,, backup your settings, pull the drives and put them into the new NAS. There is a process of adapting the volume into the new NAS and all you have to do is recreate the users and set permissions. This is less work but I still prefer option 1 as I retain the control and decide what gets moved over but that is just me. The only catch is to make sure that the old unit and new unit are compatible and will accept your current volumes. QNAP has some information on their site once you decide which new NAS you are getting.
@@MikeFaucher Thx Mike. I've thought about it and I think I'll simply upgrade the size of the drives in my TS-251+. The additional space will allow several more years of use and I'm using an old laptop as a streaming device ... so I only use the NAS for storage. Meanwhile, the QNAP products will continue to advance in power and functionality and I'll upgrade the NAS in 2 or 3 years when the new drives on my TS-251+ are getting full. I saw your vid on how to upgrade the drives ... super helpful.
@@donsylvester5275 That is not a bad choice. The TS-251+ is a good unit with a decent CPU that supports hardware encryption so you can get more life out of it. Be careful on which drives you select though. Make sure the drivers are NOT SMR drives. For 8T get only the WD RED PLUS, or The WD RED PRO, or the Ironwolf series from Seagate. Don't get the regular RED drives for the 8T. I tried to explain this in a recent video and there is a bunch of information out there on the SMR vs CMR technology and why you want or the other for NAS or RAID. Good luck.
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Hi Mike, Even though the title suggests otherwise, correct me If I am wrong but It seems to me that this method is specific to Qnap nas. Any solution for synology nas? Thanks
This can be done with a Synology in basically the same way but the connection setup is a little different for the NAS. As I do not have a Synology, I could not add the specific instructions. Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for the confusion.
Very good explanation! This is ideal if you are the only PC in your LAN who needs to access NAS, but what if there are 15 hosts in the same LAN connected to a switch and they all need to access NAS in the same time? How can I optimize the network in such a way that I can guarantee for every host an average download speed of ~500 Mbps ?
This is a great question. What you are asking will work and you will just have to try it as there is no way to guarantee it as at some point you will max out the bandwidth of your NAS depending on the hardware and drives you are using. Anyone on a 1G switch will max out at 125MB/sec. If you have that many users pulling that much data I would use a 10G switch and make sure you have plenty of cache in your NAS. Hope that helps.
@@MikeFaucher thanks for reply! I want to try the following setup: a new QNAP NAS with 10G NIC which will be connected via fiber patch and SFPs to the switch in an optical port, and from switch to hosts do I still need to allocate 10G ports?
thank you
Your welcome. Thanks for the feedback.
@@MikeFaucher You did help me to save money I guess, thank you! I was thinking about buying a new nas for doing 3D model, while not downloading the model and reupload the model again (something it make me confuse about my file version, all the time actually.) it is very expensive upgrade...
Btw the way.. I am using the cheapest synology 2 bay nas, i have a tide budget(my wife never understand why i have to spend for computer storage.. she is an highschool teacher, doing only paper works...)
do you think qnap is an reliable options for me?
@@chrisl4211 I have had great luck with the QNAP hardware, In comparison, we have had 3 Synology NAS units in the past year failed. With QNAP you have to make sure you keep them updated and use precautions on securing your device (video coming in two weeks) but I will still choose QNAP vs Synology based on hardware and value.
I love your idea and it seems to solve my problem, but sorry I have a confuse and question that I have no idea which part help your speed up the transfer, is it 5Gbps USB adapter or Virtual Switch? If I plug my PC directly to the LAN2 port, will it also help for transfer speed up?
Sorry for my bad English as it is not my native language.
The increase in speed is from using the faster adapters. This lets you connect directly without a switch but you do need the faster adapters. Good question.
@@MikeFaucher Cool! Thanks Mike🙇🏻♂️
Because my settings were:
ISP > Router >
-> cheap giga switch (non managed)
--> NAS
--> Plex PC
So I’m wondering how can I speed up the Plex PC NAS, as my understanding when I playback the video via internet, the route/path of the signal should go like this:
ISP > Router (upnp) > Plex > switch > (ping back to router for NAS IP) > NAS (Smb) > (via switch back to router> > Plex > Router > ISP
Is that right? It seems the transfer will get affected when it loopback to router....in this path.
@@LeoNG628 You are correct but I have to clarify that the setup used in this video will only impact speed from your NAS to PC and will not affect playback via the internet. There you are limited to your ISP speed no matter what you do.
@@MikeFaucher got it thanks Mike 🙇🏻♂️
I have a DLink ShareCenter DNS320Lwith just one RJ45 connector. I could neve connect it directly to the PC. Instead, I have to link it via the router. Is it possible to link them directly? Thanks.
That depends on the device. I am not familiar with the software on the DLINK, but it has to feature built in. With a 1Gbe port though there is no real benefit in direct connect.
Can this be done with an ethernet port on the NAS directly rather than USB? My setup would be
NAS via ethernet > ethernet to usb3.0 adapter > NUC via usb3.0
Is that doable?
If I understand correctly you are affectively going from your NUC and connecting that to a USB adapter, The ethernet side of of the adapter goes to a 10G switch, and you NAS gets its own adatper to connecte to the same switch.
i'm using a TL-D400S connected to a TS-877 (primary nas) to get high speeds without having the need of a switch that does multi gig. Sadly this only helps with doing my backup/restores faster. But does nothing for my media access to the desktop.
I plan in the future to get a 2.5gbe switch. I already have a new desktop pc which motherboard comes with a 2.5gbe port. For NAS side, i'd have to get an addon card for the 2.5gbe port or better.
You can still use the USB adapter on the NAS and attach it to the switch if you did not want to get a add on card. Just an option is you already have it.
@@MikeFaucher I don't have a usb adapter, but you are right that is definitely an option (very portable too). i just ordered a QNAP QXG-2G1T-I225 Single Port 2.5GbE 4-Speed Network Card to add to my ts-877. was wondering if i should get the 10gbe card instead, but it's double the price, and not sure i'll be using 10gbe anytime soon.... so i got this instead for now xd.
my only experience so far high multigig was via the tl-d400s. i only could verify these speeds when i was doing back up and restoring between the nas the expansion box to verify those speeds. so with the addon card, a switch, i'll probly be able to get those kinds of multi gig speeds in day to day use.
in all honesty, i only sparingly do big file transfers, so 1gbe would have been fine for me. i'm sure for video editors and smbs, where time is precious, and they move lots of stuff often, then ya, these types of speeds are justified, but then again they may fare better off with 10gbe setups.
but just running a homelab and just a network enthusiast, i just got the upgrade cauz it's within my budget :}
@@AinzOoalG0wn Thatt is a budget question but unless you are going to 10G soon it will not do much. You can always upgrade when the cost goes down.
@@MikeFaucher my thinking was, i'm likely not to go 10gbe anytime soon. and even if i did, i'd then have to not only buy a 10gbe switch, but also an additional 10gbe pcie addon for desktop (ontop of the one for the qnap nas). So it's a tall order of stuff to purchase for end to end 10gbe setup. Thats why i stuck to 2.5gbe, since i already have a motherboard with 2.5gbe port by default, so fewer parts to get, and is a much lower budget :D
nice,but can the computer get internet via the internet connected to the nas device? because in the example you've showed the computer is not connected to the switch
if you review the video agin you will see that I using the second NIC to loop to the switch. This way I get faster speed to the NAS and still get internet. Access.
What kind of drives are you using? HDD or SSD? Because transfer speed of 200 MB is excellent for HDD but low for SSD.
I am using WD Red Plus drives. This NAS is only hard drives. Thanks for the question.
Hi.. Great video. But I have a question.
I'm just wondering if the following setup will work based on your theory.
QNAP NAS hard-wired to Network Switch. Laptop wirelessly connects with the QNAP wireless network card on the NAS. And you setup a virtual switch on the NAS. Will this work?
Yes, it should work fine but it may be simpler to use an Access Point instead of the QNAP wireless card. Either way it should work.
@@MikeFaucher Do you have a personal email I can contact with questions. Like what are the perks/drawbacks in performance between each?
@@Rosh72851 There is a contact email on the about page of my channel as well as my Twitter account for DMs.
Why can we directly connect the usb cable to pc instead of using the virtual switch
This configuration allows the computer and QNAP to communicate to each other and still access the internet. Most devices do not support usb to usb.
Dear Mike Faucher, Great Video. But i'm not clear about this solution. I used TS-451+. I would like to up speed when transfer file. Could you give me solution. Thanks sir.
Everything on this video will work on TS-451+. Or any NAS with USB Ports. You will attach to the front USB port with a 5 G adapter or a 2.5G and a car in PC or uses a switch
@@MikeFaucher Yeah brother I use adapter 2.5g connect with switch.
Qnap connect to switch and PC connect to switch too.
@@thoulyeang4946 Awesome. As long as you have a 2.5G switch you are good.
If I am not wrong, there's only 1 Pc with fast speed. All the others computers in the network work at 1Gb?
You are correct. This is only for one main PC. Good point.
Is it going to work in reverse? Like WorkingStation::USB 3.0 -- > Qnap QNA-UC5G1T::5GbE < --- > 5GbE extension card Qnap QXG-5G1T-111C < -- PCI::QNAP NAS
Have not tried it but it should work fine.
@@MikeFaucher You are right but there is a better alternative on the same chipset Sabrent 5GbE USB Ethernet Adapter ua-cam.com/video/S2yI6Y8T7rE/v-deo.html
What would be your recommendation for someone using Synology DS920+ NAS and Mac Mini?
Not very many options, Mini only has one NIC and thunderbolt, and DS920+ has 2 NICS but no thunderbolt. All you can do is a traditional 1G hook-up with switch.
@@MikeFaucher if I use a switch will the internet speed suffer?
@@GlennUpgraded No, I assume you are already using a switch or a router currently, Just plug into your current router if you have an open port otherwise use a low cos switch and it should work fine.
DS920+ have 5 Gbps USB3 ports. You can plug Realtek based 2.5 Gbe or Aquantia based 5 Gbps (like this Qnap adapter but there are cheaper options too with same chipset) adapter. For example I use a 2.5 Gbe adapter with my DS218+ (+DX517). I connected directly my NAS 2.5 Gbe and PC's 2.5 Gbe. Both NAS & PC have 1 Gbe NICs as well - these were connected to router. I didn't applied any virtual switches. Therefore I have paralelly the 2.5 Gbe (280 MB/s) and 1 Gbe (110 MB/s) speed ...
DSM doesn't contain the necessary drivers but it can be downloaded from internet. A simple browse and OK in Synology Package Center and it works. You can apply fix IPs or apply DHCP server - it is up to You ...
@@peterpapp2876 can't ai just plug a USB3 to USB3 cable to my NAS and Mac and get the maximum speed possible or 2.5Gbe or 5Gbps adapters are necessary?
In the first capture at 2:14 you mention having Gigabit transfer speed but I'm only seeing 90 MB transfer. What am i missing?
You're not missing anything. Max transfer speeds on a 1 gig network is 113/MBs (Megabytes). Because of my testing environment, I was getting 90MBs which actually is pretty typical. After the direct connection with 2.5Gbe I was getting 253MBs (Megabytes). Remember the speed test is in megabytes, not megabits. Hope that helps.
@@MikeFaucher I understand now. Thank you
@@donalddluckerii3147 No problem. Anytime.
what cable you used in the video? cat5e or other?
Not sure if I understand well: so you connect the USB3.0 port of the NAS with a USB to ethernet adapter (5Gbps), and you use an USB to ethernet 2.5Gbps to the PC and you put a regular network cable in between? Why not just connect the PC to the NAS over the USB3.0 connection as that would allow 5Gbps between your PC and the NAS ? I mean: at this point, the way I understand, the only device you connect, over high speed, to the NAS is your PC so no issue using the USB port for direct connect (in this setup, I don't really see how it is possible to connect a second PC to the NAS with 2.5Gbps throughput as you can use the USB connection only for one device, unless you connect the USB to ethernet adapter to a network switch which would be typically 1Gbps again... Gonna rewatch the video as it is really interesting, but at this stage I don't see the point of converting back and forth...
Looking a little further, the issue can be distance. USB does not allow you the same distance as ethernet. The other thing is this is a concept as some may have a 10GbE card in their systems or their NAS but do not want to buy a $600 switch. If you are close to your NAS and are OK with USB that works too, but if you are 15+ ft away it is a different story as performance will be bad if it connects at all. As you know there are a bunch of ways to do things but for some, this is a good option. For others like me, I have to use a switch as I have a bunch of 10GbE devices. Thanks for the question.
@@MikeFaucher You got me there with the distance. Did not take that one into account indeed. Etherenet allows (in ideal conditions and good patch) to go about 100m max. USB not nearly that far. Related to 10G: when looking on ebay, a 10G card only costs about 30 to 40 Euros (Melanox). Personally I use that solution with a Ubiquiti switch. It is indeed very expensive if it is only for a NAS system and only advisable if you are using a NAS device (or self built storage device) as shared storage for VM's or a high speed NAS that needs to be accessible by multiple people at the same time (but in that case, also the type of disks being used is to be taken into account as at 10G speeds, a mechanical disk only solution makes the disks become the bottleneck if not using cache drives)
But man: I learned something today. If I get someone asking me for a fast NAS solution with a NAS that is located in the attick or in the cellar your solution is genius and dead cheap indeed :-) :-)
@@realburn6845 Glad to hear and thanks for the detailed feedback. Good luck whichever way you go and glad you learned something.
One other very minor thing that everyone should consider is that going USB still needs an ethernet cable for everything else. Doing it this way you do not. Not a big deal but is worth considering.
How can pc connect directly to NAS using USB cable? USB cable is one way transmission only isn't it ? I never see a USB cable has same head in two ends
Can this be done with truenas core?
Not sure as I am currently testing TrueNAS core right now. I am sure it is possible but unclear yet how it is done.
@@MikeFaucher I was looking into it yesterday but got distracted by Vyos videos, but I think it's called peer to peer on truenas.
@@xsterawesome Thanks I will check it out. Certainly not as easily deployed. Let me know if you have success with it.
@@MikeFaucher Hello have you been able to do it
Wow! All those ads @9:46
Sorry, do not control the ads. Thanks.
thank you so much dude, this helped a lot
Glad it helped. Thanks for the feedback.