Denoising your Footage: Neat Video vs Denoiser II
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Today we compare the Neat Video noise reduction plug-in to Red Giant's Denoiser II.
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I'm a NeatVideo user and it's saved my footage countless times. For the price it's great.
u have free neat link
Whoa...From 0:13 - 0:19 that sounded like one long blur of a word to me. My brain doesn't go fast enough for that auctioneer shit, man. It sounded like I was fast-forwarding through an old cassette tape.
I bought Denoiser II from RedGiant couple years ago. I didn't need it back then, but I'm one of those who buy stuff for the purpose of buying stuff. I tested it out and thought it was kinda cool. Reducing noise aint a bad thing. Some time ago we used Panasonic GH4 attached to MÖVI M5 for the first time. In the spirit of run'n'gun no testing before the first shoot, yeah I know this is the moment where dumb da da di dumb score starts to play. We usually shoot with Nikon D4 and D800 and for some weird reason I really really like the way videos come out from Nikon's. So GH4 as our main camera... settings... run... and gun... It was run'n'gun from lighting to way we shot the video. Nikon's footage looked great as usual. We once shot a production without additional lights indoors and a rep from a huge globally known film production company asked what kind of lights we used. And as I responded "none" she was stumped. Anyways the first time when I looked at GH4 footage from the shoot I became terrified. Last time I saw the same amount of noise was back in the 8MM/VHS days, and I was 15 years old kid back then shooting horrible videos. Probably not that much noise, but you get the idea. I dropped RG Denoiser II in and the outcome was = unusable footage.... Then I remembered Neat Video from this particular Film Riot episode. Ryan didnt say that Neat Video was super great or way better than RG's Denoiser, so I didnt believe it would change anything, but atleast I could try.... To my total surprise Neat Video was able to remove the noise, not only reduce but remove it almost completely. RG Denoiser only removed the tiniest particles but it definately did not deliver anything usable. The problem with "hardcore" noise with RG Denoiser is that it removes the noise well, when your looking a single frame, but once you start to play the video the video may and most often starts to have new problems. Solid colors look crap etc. Neat Video delivered solid results. So if your in a situation where you have footage beyond RG Denoisers repair. Try Neat Video instead. RG Denoiser II makes videos look neat, Neat Video can possibly save you from a noisy disaster.
ive watched this video twice.. the first time i stared at your shirt the whole time but then the 2nd time i was thankfully more productive and stared at your shirt the whole time
His eyes are up there 😂
Things totally overlooked in NEAT video:
1. Temporal Filter - scans ahead and back up to 5 frames for much cleaner result
2. Very low frequency checkbox - ideal for dark areas and the large blobby stuff that is prominent IN THIS EXAMPLE!!
3. Manual selection of noise profile - full auto profiling is never as good as manually creating a profile using multiple samples from different parts of the frame.
I'd like to see this comparison done again taking those settings into account!
Brian Berneker Agreed...
Depending on the noise profile you can turn down the high noise and jack up the low. Then Stagger the mid your can get some really impressive results. Neat video really needs to be use for a while to understand it and yield best results.
Would you please provide a clear workflow to explain exactly how to do this in NeatVideo Please? Thank you so much.
Brian Berneker i agree. I just bought Neat Video and it is awesome. It is giving me so much more flexibility being able to create clean footage at higher ISO.
Mark Henry Cooney there is a fantastic tutorial on the Neat Video website. Very easy to follow with work through examples.
+Brian Berneker the Temporal Filter I try not to use it, because it "eats" some frames (I don't know how to explain it so it's understandable.. lol)...
Just want to note that you can get far better results from Neat by profiling your camera at different ISO settings and working more with the advanced settings. For instance, the compression macro blocking could have been removed. I've found that if you take the time learn Neat and to profile your camera, it's quite a bit better than DeNoiser II.
VLC does a pretty good job at denoising videos too. To do that go to Tools > Effects and Filters > Video Effects > Advanced > Denoiser. Then you can Convert/Save.
+Will Prat Hey, like it get applies on video which is already opened, but when I go and select the option to convert and save, it asks for new file to be opened or imported and after that it disables the tool menu and doesn't show any Denoiser option in that covert and save window.
I will be glad if you can help.
Namaste
Yes, just select the same file.
Will Prat Ya I did, and after trying like 20 times. I came to conclusion, that new profile must be saved in order to convert the file perfectly.
It did removed the noise, but weirdly aspect ratio of my video was changed. But video was usable so I used another converter later to correct it :D
CleoTv Maybe there is some setting to adjust in VLC before converting so you could preserve the aspect ratio. Not sure, I will have to check. I did not have that problem. The aspect ratio of my videos did not change.
CleoTv Ok, I just looked. When you select Convert/Save, you select Add and choose the video you want to convert. Then you click Convert/Save. In the next window, you should have a "wrench/screwdriver" icon (to change video settings). You click that icon and in the next window you go to Video Codec > Resolution. Here you can enter the frame size you want.
I just realised Film Riot has the greatest community I've seen; after viewing PewDiePie's video stating that he is disabling comments due to crappy comments.
No haters. No spammers. Just a pure community...
Bad comments or not, disabling comments on Pewd's video is a stupid decision. He could also just get a website where he can embed the UA-cam videos and have people comment there though. But still, I think it's odd that he did it, no matter how bad they are. I wish there was just a way to scare those stupid heads away from the comments.
Ikr
This is not the case if you look at comments on more popular film riot videos sadly.
I just dropped Denoiser II on a shot I'm working on, and holy mother of god does it work wonders. Im very impressed.
i use neat video for every single one of my videos and i highly recommend it
Do you have the same issue with how long it takes to render and export videos after using this effect? I'm using a Mac Pro + an SSD with 350+ mbps read/write and OMG it takes such a long time ( I mean hours)...BUT, it does improve footage.
Update: For anyone using this program. HOPEFULLY, you don't need to use it if you already have amazing footage. But for those looking to improve video clips. If your video clips are just a few seconds long, then your render and export time will should only increase by a few seconds to a few minutes. HOWEVER, if you are working with video clips that are 5 minutes or longer, expect a lengthy process. TIP: edit your project all the way through (color grading, stabilization, cuts, transitions, music, the works), >export project, then import that video back to your editing software and add the neat denoiser to that clip. Go grab coffee, dinner, go on a date, watch a movie, then come back and perhaps it'll be done by then. Expect the same length of time exporting. Example: 5 minute video takes 2-3 hours to render and same for export. Crazy! GOLD TIP: AVOID NOISY CLIPS AT ALL COSTS!!!
@@enriquevilla2065 ehhh not too sure about the export then bringing it back in as supposedly after color grading, every export degrades the quality of footage and color itself. Feel like having been told this numerous times, it may be best to do all the work INCLUDING Neat Video in the same export. BUT i may be wrong, still might be something to consider.
@@86FStudiosOfficial I had no choice. It did help and it cut my render + export time down by half. Quality didn't suffer much, if at all to be honest. However, lesson learned. No more grainy videos for me! lol I go the extra mile to make sure my settings are as perfect as can be.
But it,s too slow when i render video 4 min video take 40 min
This should have been resized and uploaded to 4k! The 1080p bitrate makes an actual comparision a bit hard, since the whole video has blocky noise, especially for dark areas.
Thanks! Thought I was going to have to reshoot a 30min interview but Neat Video did the trick. +1
Great video, I've been using Denoiser for a while now and I'll admit that I rarely go into the advanced features. I usually just drop and boost the percent a bit. I'll have to take a look at that Dark Energy.
I find adding your own film noise after hides the smudgy look some what.
Thanks. Matter fact, I'm going to Full Sail University now and it's great. This video helped me realize that the Magic Bullet was a great first choice plugin!
Great. Thanks for this. I did not fully understand how to use Neat Video before I watched this.
Hey Ryan, after playing the newest Sherlock Holmes game I am CERTAIN: Dr. Watson is the perfect role for you to play as an actor. :)
Perfect timing for this video. Thanks for breaking it down!
Should have an update on denoiser software! There are tons of options on the market now 🙂
I have both, "Neat Video" is by far the better denoiser. It really can save some footage, and give professional look to it.
Love the Rocket shirt! Guardians of the Galaxy was epic!
I literally just googled for this yesterday. You guys are mind readers lol
exactly
Nice! I just tried out Neat Video and a fairly cheap (30$ I think) Denoiser for Final Cut Pro X. With Neat Video, you can additionally tweak the settings by selecting not just one but several areas in your image, to have noise profiles over varying degrees of luminance, that will really improve your image even more. You can also set the number of frames it interpolates from in time, which will get rid of some of the flickering and wavy stuff. But I agree that Neat Video tends to give a soft and partially blocky look to the image.
bruh that shit $150 now T_T
Pricing is very different today. Denoiser is 199 and Neatvideo is $75
Oh my god I love your shirt ryan
imho only reasonable(or rather complementary) alternative to neat video is Revision FX DE:Noise(it has 2 algoritms).
Neat is best(details/speed) at 2-3 frames compare(with sample denoising turned off cause it makes footage blurry),
DE:Noise'rs are best for light noise situations when Neat is overdenoising (if you loosen default settings).
Mixing both can save some heavy noise shots, as DE:Noise'rs hande also this floating that Neat leaves in this video.
AWESOME VIDEO...thank you.
If anyone sees this, please help me:
I got Denoiser II a little while ago, and it's been a big help until it came to exporting from Premiere Pro. In this case, about 85% of the clips are linked After Effects comps with Denoiser II applied inside of AE. When I try to export the whole thing (3 minutes long), at some point in the process (it happens either right at the beginning or 75% of the way through), it will stop exporting and say "Error compiling movie: unknown error". I will be very upset if this error is unknown to the rest of the internet. I don't want to have to do what I did last time and export the video in 3 separate parts and then recompile it. I've tried exporting countless times and I am very tired. But I know this is because of Denoiser II.
Cr and Cb are color difference channels in YUV. They are not red and blue channels. DigiBeta is an example of this component video scheme using a 4:2:2 digital sampling at 90 Mbps.
I would say you didn't really use all the power of crazy tweaking in Neat Video. There's much more advanced settings than in Denoiser and sometimes it can help very much. But Denoiser is simpler, so choose what's up to you - simplicity or power
;)
a7s + neat = you ever dont care its day or night lol :D
Yes ryan has a new shirt this time! 🙌
Just what I needed! Thanks!
I wish Denoiser could available for FCPX, which is the soft I use most of the time, because I prefer Red Giant product and when I work on Premiere it's very useful when I have to adjust noisy footage
I didn't catch a single word from the host in between "welcome" and "DSLR" lol. Thanks for the comparison though.
+Scott Bottenus Exactly!
I suggest you try noisy videos where there's a lot of motion. That's where I found that Reg Giant failed in giving any good result. Neat Video has a a good algorythm that spans across multiple frames. Furthermore, I found Neat Video to be much faster when you've got multiple GPUs, as it is very efficient at spreading it's load across all configured ressources.
Just read back my comment about spreading a load... hum...
GrosTabarnak definitely I'm in agreement. Neat video wins. Don't worry Ryan we know you have to advertise your sponsors. Nothing personal.
I tried using the Red Giant Denoiser, but it keeps dropping frames on my export.
There's a surprising amount of noise in RED footage at or above 1K ISO, so it's not just a DSLR issue. Also, it would be best to not rely on any sharpening done by the plugin as well as do some sort of luminance key to place unfiltered highlights and upper-mids back into the image, since these are the values representing detail and your apparent sharpness. The objectionable noise will be in the under-exposed blacks and lower register of the image. Naively filtering all areas of the image as if this were a uniform issue throws good pixels after bad.
Ryan, you should have checked out the Neat Video Tutorials, they explain how to get a way better result. There is more you can do!
Awesome work buddys!
You guys oughta do a new 2024 update on this lol
I see this is Denoiser II. Which version of Neat was this? Wondering how Neat 4 holds up against Red Giant.
Hey Ryan I was wondering how you drop some one down a flight of stairs and shows them tumbling down with killing the actor or giving him brain damage. Luv the show dude
Thank you so much for this video!!! It's like you read my mind!
Lovin the shirt Ryan!
I didn't even want a Guardians Of The Galaxy shirt until I saw Ryan's Rocket Raccoon T-Shirt! You are making me spend money Ry Guy, ha ha! And great tutorial as always...
(And when does Bloodtober start?) Thanks!
Hey Ryan i have a question. What is workflow with noise reduction? Do you correct colors first then grade, noise reduction and then back sharpening? Or hoy do you start?
you probably should have posted this at 4k so we can get a better bitrate to even see the noise and reduction properly.
Sweet video, could this be used on gopro footage in low light to make gopro a bit more useable? Thanks in advance.
Neat Video worked flawlessly for us.
I've run into some crazy horrible glitches when using Red Giant Denoiser II. Sometimes it would distort an image, flipping and inverting it, and when I tried to use it on a picture lock as a final step it would replace the last frame of every clip with a black frame, which is unacceptable. Anyone else run into such problems?
"low budget cameras" RED cameras have tons of noise lol
I love that GOTG t-shirt!
Great Video as usual thanks !
Really good video. Thanks for the helpful info!
How does UA-cam's upload compression affect the video, especially in relation to film noise?
mmm.. I think UA-cam compresses the AUDIO of the videos, not so much the footage...
Love that Rocket Shirt!
RY GUY! Denoisers are in many cases an absolute must in DSLR green screening. From my experience Neat Video has saved my behind so many times, but I'm curious if denoiser will be better due to that sensitivity. Would you pleash enlighten uz? :)
i got denoiser 2 for premium pro but the thing becomes unresponsive or crashes when i use it. The computer is definitely strong enough to use it. It's a 64 bit Windows 7 with 6 gb ram and 2.4ghz quadcore. I there a solutions for this?
Thanks for your helpful entertaining vids, keep em coming :D
So.. I got neat video and a 4K video downscaled to 1080P took 1 hour and 20 minutes to render! Is this normal? that's ridiculous!
Today, you should try NEAT VIDEO 4. The result is x100 way better and faster than NEAT VIDEO 2 and 3.
01:20 AVCHD and H.264 are the same thing.
What camera is he using?
Idk
Yes he was here 8 years ago
I was afraid denoising software would erase Josh. Then I realized it was video noise, not audio noise.
Having used both, I prefer Neat Video.
Is it normal for neat video to take hours to render?
wich one takes longer when rendering? neat or denoiser?
@@carlotavarez3504 denoiser takes a bit longer
Here we are in 2019, 5 years later. Which denoiser is King now? What say you?
Post the winners of the Monday challenge man!
im so surprised josh wasn't making any noise today huh!
Check out the edelkrone equipment, it's really good ! (not advertising, just telling because it's good)
Dear Film Riot... I need your help. I purchased Neat Video 5 and they within hours cancelled and refunded my order....? This happened to me a couple years ago with Version 4. I dont understand if its a tech issue or they have something personal against me... But All I want to do is use the Full Version V5 for FCPX editing and I feel like Im being in some way discriminated against. Im clueless and at loss for words... also they never respond to me as to why I am being refunded... Basically refusing to take my money without explaination. Please Help.
I'm 15 and getting into film (would appreciate any feedback on my films) - the film I am writing now I wanted to shoot at night but I couldn't afford nah denoising software, so I've had to change it
There are wayes of getting it for free
There are wayes of getting it for free
There are wayes of getting it for free
Look through some of Film Riot's stuff. They've got some sweet day to night stuff. Plus, you could brings some lights out there with you to add in a touch of light to fill it in.
Thats another way to do it
That shirt is awesome. :D
Hey guys I am using the Denoiser II and it works well while I am editing in Premiere but I have a problem of having this big red X that still shows when I export my final file. Is there a way of removing this?
James Jackson Did you pay for it or are you using the demo version (or a pirated one)?
Nice tutorial!
Thanks!!
This is the first episode that didn't have the green screen "fringe" around Ryan. How did you guys fix it? Did you do something different?
I always struggle getting rid of it.
Hello.....why whenever I apply the neat video on my video always the output is exposed with too much light than before its export....thank u
Hey Ryan, will there be a BLOODTOBER this year ?
Ryan, when does bloodtober start?
Can we do an updated video of this?
SO you do not get noise on Reds and other pro cameras? interesting.
neatvideo in my experience ! I actually tested Dark Energy extensively and its denoiser wasnt actually that great compared to neatvideo. It's texturing engine is the unique aspect of Dark Energy,k but layering some real film grain at 15-30% opacity helps but isnt exactly the same
I should probably already know this, but how do you have someone saying a sentence, and the angle switches during the same sentence??
*****
haha
If you have two cameras recording onboard sound and one microphone recording external sound then you can sync that external sound to the separate video footage. A lot of editing programmes could do it for you, not to mention the PluralEyes software.
Richard Strong thanks!
thorna100 Why are you laughing? thisnthatproductionz is correct. That IS how they do it in actual films, even in Hollywood. Only rarely do you have multiple cameras operating at the same time.
***** It's a valid approach and as someone who often edits drama shot with a single camera I rely on that method quite a lot. But it doesn't always work, which is why I offered an alternative.
Didn't he say you don't really need to go to film school in another video? And then he's plugging a film school in this one, lol!
I can't find great tutorials on Neat. Neat is the best for me because since I restore more like potatoes footage for small communities, I feel I am missing a lot. I checked all the videos on their sites but they omit other features and opportunities to take challenging shots, unlike Imagineers they post a lot of videos of their plugins for the beginners and advanced users.
I'd love to know how you got the footage starting at 1:36. It looks gorgeous.
Denoiser 3
One minute rendering time on a 2300$ PC build: 1:20 hour
Ty. 10/10 wouldn't do again
He said that you get both denoiser II and color suit for 99 does anyone know where to go to get that. i went to red giant and couldn't find it
ikr.. link doesnt exist
ryan, can you make a diy dolly that goes in a circle? if not what is the best way to get a shot circling a subject?
love the shirt
denoiser always seemed to never work for me, but NeatVideo never disappoints
Gotta say, after using both of them myself, Neat Video seems much better. Or maybe I just don't know how to use each to their fullest potential.
I recently bought a DSLR and I'm having trouble thinking of idea to shoot. I'm shooting a music video in the next few weeks, but the band hasn't finished their songs. What should I do?
Hello... Ry-Fi😎. I was wondering if you could maybe go over some filmmaker terminology to make us sound like pros on the set. Thanks
What about Bloodtober?
Like your shirt :)
thank you soo much
I applied the Denoiser II on my videos but when I click ¨export¨ the video doesn´t have the effect applied., What´s wrong?
danm! you are the best.... god bless u
Hi, when I export the video with Denoiser 2, it simply doesn't work. When I apply it on adobe premiere or after effects, I can preview it, no problem. But when I export the video it doesn't work. Can you teach me how to export the video so that the denoiser will have an effect on it? Thank you.