Inexpensive vs Expensive Watercolour Crayons! I Think You Will Be VERY Surprised!
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This will seem heretical to most folks, but I prefer the Mungyo crayons for most paintings where I want a watercolor look. I prefer the Neocolor where I'm going for a gouache look, or when I need to cover something. They are both wonderful and I reach for them several times a week.
You're supposed to get the white flim off gallery crayons first. I had this happened first until another video told me. I just wet and wipe it. After, its pigmented and creamy. I use them with a wet brush for details or a background wash. Also depends on the paper. Get a good watercolour paper!
This is awesome to watch! You can definitely tell the difference in pressure needed for application. The Neo IIs are awesome to work with, love them!
Personally, I like the less expensive ones much better. I really like the colors.
Yeah, me too.
Me too
Really? 🤦🏻♂️
I like the colours in the cheaper one they are really vibrant
Mungyo private labels for a lot of student/intermediate grade art suppliers, especially watercolors. Their hand rolled soft and oil pastels are quite pigmented and an excellent choice for underpainting and sketchbook work if you want to save your finest quality pastels (Sennelier, Schmincke, Unison, etc.) for details, final layers or work you intend to sell.
Yes…I just bought a set of the hand-rolled Mungyo pastels….they are beautiful and very high quality!
@@nancyloomis3046 Very nice! Hand rolled pastels are one of the most versatile mediums given the intense pigment load. They can do so much and last forever. ☺️
Now I have both of the sets and compared them side by side, I have 30 colors, two blacks and whites🎉 I'm not buying a 40 set of Neo IIs. While they may lift from the crayon a bit better with the CD, there's clearly not enough difference to me to justify the price. I usually scribble them out on the CD palette anyway 🎉 I am so glad you did this, and even more glad that I did it too ❤
I'm sure that the cheaper ones are less light fast. It would be interesting to cut the page in half and tape one half to a sunny window and then check it for fading each week for a few weeks.
I was wondering if there’s a difference with lightfastness too.
Great idea
Yes, for the ones that don't scan their art, this could be a problem. 💜🖌
You would think that based on price... but its probably the opposite. Less expensive pastels in general use less expensive vat made pigments. Like Phalos and perylenes which are highly light fast.
In non water soluble the CD Neopastels actually have a handful of colours that are less lightfast then cheaper brands. An example is Prussian blue the Neopastel is actually less lightfast then some cheaper brands Prussian. It looks better yes but it also uses more of the real less lightfast pigment.
@@chaddesrosiers1107 This is not true for yellows/reds/pinks/purples. These shades in cheap paint ranges, such as Sakura Koi and Arteza, fade significantly more than those in more reliable brands. There's quite a few known fugitive pigments in those ranges, and they somehow always end up in these "craft" paints.
The less expensive ones look to have some nice greens!
I have to say i feel like the cheaper ones were more vibrant then CD. Also, maybe u were supposed to do something to get that white film off them b4 use! Great Job finding a cheaper alternative 👏
I compared/tested the Mungyo Aquarelle water soluble oil pastels to Caran Dache Neocolor II and the Mungyo is much more pigmented in my opinion. I like the Lyra watercolor crayons too.
you could see the difference when first drawing but they both blended well I think Emma as you said Obviously the Carendache is superior but I think both are acceptable for use. Thank you for sharing this video with us xx
Thanks for doing this comparison Emma! I don’t have either set but I love the Caron D’Ache look better.
The Caran look more workable (especially for light and subtleties) because they are probably less waxy than the cheaper ones, so more actual pigment. I imagine the others having more wax (hence the light coating you see on crayon which also makes them rougher in feel) is why the colors are more brilliant. The pigment probably lays on top of the paper more and doesn’t blend in as much. So it probably just depends on what you want to create and what effect you want. I think the Caran would be better for more detailed works w greater use of varying values, but that doesnt mean the others don’t have a place in painting. They’d be awesome for abstract - thats for sure. Thanks for sharing
I would love to buy those for my students, im teaching watercolor in a nursing home, I’m sure my students will love them!
Thank you Emma! ❤
The dollar store cutting boards are great. They have 2 sizes & the smaller one will fit in some airtight palettes to give you extra mixing space too! These "Budget" supplies have been around a long, long time. I have some from my highschool & college days in the 70s! I've always loved the Sargeant Arts products, the watercolor pencils are amazing & the pastel pencils too. I was so disappointed by the payout on some expensive brands when I bought them because they were harder & left shadows of lines behind. Sadly the pencil lines have very few colors, so I have had to buy very expensive brands to get the same quality that Sargeant & Mungyo have always had. Yes, they are the same country, originally produced for different countries. The US & Korea.
I use the dollar store cutting boards too. I found one a little smaller than my A5 sketchbook, and it fits in my sketchbook cover nicely.
Try the Lyra brand ones next! I have them, and they feel pretty smooth. Though I haven't tried Caran d'arche yet.
Same for me. I have the Lyra ones and they are great!
The Lyra ones are great. I’d say they’re a tiny bit less creamy than the Neocolor II but other than that, they’re just as good
Yes, Lyra was pastels are also very good, and they have a llower price point than Caran d'Ache.
Even here in South Africa where art supplies are severely limited, there are a few brands available. You would probably have to try out a couple to find one you like. My first choice here would be Lyra. They are a German brand which is usually pretty good quality.
I’ve heard about those! I couldn’t find them here
@@EmmaLefebvre we get mostly European brands here. We do an enormous amount of trade with China but for some unknown reason, we don’t get much in the way of art supplies. Mungyo is available though. Unfortunately, ordering from Amazon isn’t really feasible…by the time stuff EVENTUALLY arrives, the customs and exchange rates make it too expensive.
@@EmmaLefebvreyra products are comparable with seargent one or Mungyo these aquarellables wax crayons! But I am having the set of 84 Néocolor II and I am not having those colors in my big set! Both are useful it’s all dépend how you are using them! But I am using a lot of the entire set of 84 crayons from Caran d’Ache! From Quebec in Canada 🇨🇦, 😊❤
I started with the Lyra ones and loved them. I mainly switched because I was gifted a big set of the neocolor 2's
That’s for this session. It is great seeing comparable of different brands, it helps before buying and than being disappointed.
Maybe if you sharpen the wax coat off the sargeant ones then you will be able to pick up from them with a paintbrush?
I have the Sargent set. You can do that. They are nice crayons for people who want to experiment.
I have the mungyo but I'm not a professional artist I just use them because I love crayons since kid and it's just dreamy that they are water soluble. For me they were an affordable option
When I see the crayon marks after adding water, I see textural interest. It may come down to how I want to use this art supply. Thank you for sharing. Peace.
Very surprised too at the similarity of the two different crayons! Wow! Thanks for this Emma.
Thanks Emma for the great video. These look like so much fun.
Thank you so much for this!!! Great comparison!
That Caran Dache palette is so useful! I got one and use it all the time .
If you want a better quality watercolor crayon but don't want or can't afford to pay the price for Neocolor 2, Lyra makes a set up to 48 which are artist quality but still much cheaper than the Caran D'ache. I bought them a couple years ago and love them!! I have cheap ones but the color payout on these are much better. Lindsay @ the frugal crafter mentioned them as a good alternative and she was right. I paid $80.00 CAD (Canadian) but that was 2 years ago, still it was less than half the price of the Neocolor 2
It looks like the Sargent/Gallery crayons use cheaper and often more staining pigments. The green in the Caran d’Ache lifted cleanly. The other did not …this suggests the cheaper crayons are using pthalocyanine green which is heavily staining and far too strident for my taste.
It’s difficult to get subtle colors that harmonize naturally. The Caran d’Ache make subtle color use much more possible. I prefer them to the the more in your face harsh brightness of the Sargent/Gallery crayons.
When I first started with watercolour crayons I bought the sergeant arts brand and loved them right away then saved my money and bought the caran dache ones and didn’t really notice to much of a difference only that the sergeant arts are harder to scrub! And yep bought a cutting board for mine lol the caran dache one is too expensive ! Thanks for the awesome review ❤❤❤
Thanks for this video Emma.Been contemplating on Carandache but they are truly expensive here in South Africa but I see someone mention Lyra so I can look into that too.Nice comparison 👌
Monte martre goes for R260 bucks from PNA, works a treat
Thanks for doing a comparable video Emma! They always help!🥰
I think it’s only in the archival qualities of lightfastness and other longterm qualities where you’ll notice the diff. And Mungyo, the maker of the Sargeant’s set, does produce some pretty good products. There are some exceptions, but for the most part, the saying - “you get what you pay for” still holds. But for anyone just wanting these for casual sketching, learning, fun, it looks like the Sargeant’s would be a great choice. ❤️
I am pretty agreed with you! 😊❤
There are some children's water crayons that I started with, and they were super creamy, almost too much so. I think the biggest thing is the more budget friendly isnt lightfast but if your just beginning it wouldn't matter and then maybe move to more expensive brand. I refuse to spend $7+ on a small piece of plastic lol so I went to the $1 store and got a 3 pack of thin plastic cutting boards, one side is smooth and other side is the typical rough texture. So if you want to save $ go for that. They store super easy and clean easily. Have a great day now I'm finishing the video
Your tutorial makes us feel like we can do it too. Thankyou :)
Caran D Ache are just so creamy. If you can afford them they are my choice.
This was a great video! I have a small set of Carandache and wanted to add more to it but they are indeed pricey...this brand is an awesome sub! Thanks for finding them!
Love this! I have the Caran Dache ones and my daughter has the Lyra ones and she loves those too!
In the US the price difference is only $10 ($17 vs $27 on Amazon). I'd go with the nicer brand with those prices. Thanks for the great video!
Great comparison thanks
I was actually looking at those on Amazon the other day and felt they were a hard pass. I've recently gotten the pack of 10 caran d'ache and absolutely fell in love with them. So did my granddaughter when she came to visit this weekend. I am thinking these would be perfect for my 12-year-old budding artist and I can afford to get the big set for her. Thanks for doing this!
Great demo! Great conclusion. Though i found the cheaper ones more vibrant, i just felt the touch feel while using CD ones were a bit more fluid when you spread the pigments with water. I think while end results were so similar, the working feel with CD seemed like a more pleasant experience, but it was truly amazing how the cheaper ones could challenge, specially with the huge price difference...
Thanks for a great video!
thanks for doing the comparison, definitely good to know
Thank you I was looking for this comparison
I have both of these exact sets and I love them both although I wish the Sargent ones were a little more soft.
This is awesome --- I bought the Sargent art crayons last summer; but i wasn't sure how to use them. I bought a few Caran d'Ache this year and love their creamy vibrancy --- but I think Ill pull out the Sargent box again and experiment, especially with a palette and layering the colors ✨️
Thank you very much Emma for the review! It is very helpful ❤
I found a hardly used box of 15 caran d ache neocolor 2s at a thrift shop for 2.50. I’m loving them but am about needing to replace some and ouch on the cost!
WOW! I have had the same 15 Caran D’ache for 20 years because I use them so sparingly. I have been considering investing in a large set, but I have a limited budget. I just ordered 36 Sargent which are 1/2 the price! Thanks so much for your review!
They look like they skip the sharpening step.
Can you mix the brands? Use the CD white with the cheaper brand for example.
thank you for this, it was so helpful!!!!!!!!
Very nice! I have some water soluble oil pastels and I absolutely love them. How do the crayons differ, I wonder?
Love love love it
I was wondering about the cheaper ones. Thanks. I will say that my neo II's got that chalky coating as well after a bit.
It's just some of the wax ... probably drying out a little bit on the outside layer
@@Calibizaro right. Not really a deal.
Wax bloom. Often wipes off
i really enjoyed this video. i was looking for a good review on the mungyo brand as they are less expensive and i do alot of mixed media art and really wanted some water soluble crayons. thank you for this comparison.
I must first say to you; thank you so much for these comparisons. I am a newbie to aquarelle techniques and discovered Caran d’Ache at first and to be honest: these are the best! I was afraid to release my inspiration with the watercolour techniques because of the gaspillage, waist of so precious papers and pigments and all! (Sorry, I don’t express myself in english often…, I just hope that I make you laugh for the good reasons). Anyway,
I do hear the different sounds of the crayons on the paper and I am sure that I have made the good choice: always NEO’s II Caran d’Ache, thank ‘s again 😊
Thank you very much, You just saved me a bunch of money. I wanted to try watercolor crayons and these exact two brands I was considering. I'd like to get the Caren d'Arch white, it seems more opaque and sometimes you want white to be opaque. I wander if we can buy them open stock?
Cool products. I wonder if hot press paper would work for less texture on the cheaper crayon🤔
Great review. Thanks.
How do you think they would compare to Faber-Castell water color crayons? An online surplus store has a set of 15 F-C crayons for $15.95.
I just bought a 10pk of Caran D' ache. Im having fun playing with them. 😊
I bought some extra Caron D’ Ache crayons to get different colors and they had the wax coating I had to scrub off and they worked fine. It’s probably to protect the crayons in shipment
Didnt know there were watercolor crayons. They look really nice when you blended them out.
A tempting buy, but I already have watercolor palettes, pencils, gouache, and a set of Tim Holtz Distress Watercolor Pencils.
I'm in Canada, and I like to buy local to avoid shipping and exchange.
Thanks for this. I've been wanting caren... but the Sargent is almost $20 less.
You don't see the cheap one has more pigment?
I was curious so I bought the crayons the caranDAche. I wanted to see what all the buzz was about and I'm glad I bought them! It's nice having something that works really well like watercolor. You can color something in then at a later time take your paint brush out and water then make it come to life with color! Yes so awesome 😊!! I love them ❤️. Thank you 😊 ❤️ JK FLORIDA 🇺🇸.
Emma I really enjoy your video today I too have the mungyo water color set and the caronD’Ache set as well I love them if I was to buy more it be the mungyo set for bigger set I can’t afford the caron’D’Ache set they have some beautiful colors one just more colors then the other which I would love. I took a damp cloth and wipe the wax off them. I never try testing the two side by side thank you for sharing this in your video. Happy Monday to you
Suggest your comparison eould be easier to follow if you labeled each column. A nd instead of saying “these” are harder but “these” are softer USE THE BRAND NAMES.
An interesting demonstration. Of course, Caran d'Ache looks better in the picture. But there is such an individual feeling when using your material or not. Surprisingly, I never found the Mungyo information are the crayons oil or wax?
looks great,Emma.. where can we get the inexpensive one
have you tried the stablio woody? pencils im so curious to see how they compare
Another youtuber has tried a couple colors. Lightfastness of the pink one is terrible.
I havent
@@EmmaLefebvreI had them too and they are very stable colors with uniformity! I love them as doing background in my coloring books! From Quebec in Canada 🇨🇦, ❤😊
Stabilo woodys are a lot of fun to play with. Would love to see @Emma Jane Lefebvre buy a set to try out. So fun!
Just ordered the 15 colour set. Amazon has them on sale right now for $38, and the cheaper set you tested is $40!
Remove the white bloom ❤
I was surprised that the Sargent art is the same as myungo
Caran d'Ache are available open stock, a big plus as I tend to use some colours more than others. Do the Mungyo / Sargeant wax pastels offer pigment and lightfastness information? Thanks for offering this comparison. I love my Neocolor IIs.
Mungyo makes very nice art products, generally reasonably priced. They white label for lots of brands. I have a couple different sets of these student grade crayons, and they are great for plein air scribbling because who cares what happens to them.
I would hope the Caran d'Ache lay down more smoothly, the damn things cost a kidney! lol😉
I've been using the Sargent ones for just over a year now and absolutely hated them the first month I had them...but I stuck to it and once I was over that learning curve that every brand seems to have, they became my go to crayon and I love them...and their price is something we can justify shelling out for I think!
Thank you for taking time to show us the swatching, it's fantastic seeing the comparison between the two of them side by side like that....especially if you're not familiar with these brands!!😊
PS...I found if you wet wipe them to remove the cloudy film, I had no problems with it showing through. Apparently it is a protective coating applied for shipping?
Sergeant , Asia … C’A , Europe
More expensive doesn’t mean better quality …
Watercolor is a Chinese art dating back to 4000 BC. You would hope Asia would produce quality art material at a decent price. Art is part of everyday life.
Nice comparison!
Are watercolor crayons the same as water soluable pastels?
QUESTION: What is the light fastness comparison - do you know?
These seem like theyre an especially great alternative for someone whos never tried the medium, and therefore doesnt know if theyll like it. This way, if they dont, theyre not out as much money. ...Sigh. Once again, my phone is glitching in UA-cam comments and making me look like I've never heard of punctuation. But i AM too lazy to go back and fix it all, this time around. >_>;;
Do you use a special pencil to draw your designs? It looks like a type of mechanical pencil..I just purchased a very small pack of the Caran crayons from Blick
Because Mungyo white labels their products. Genes the different names
its so weird bc my 3 neocolor 2's are hard. I bought the 3 primaries open stock and they are not creamy. Thats okay though as I didnt want pastels. idk. Still not sure if I want to buy more.
One thing to warn about mungyo, and I'm sure the other, same ones, mungyo uses toxic pigments such as cobalt. Cobalt is an extremely toxic pigment that can be dangerous to even touch. Caran d'ache only uses non toxic pigments. I got the mungyos without knowing this, and I was nauseated for a week after using them. Be careful
sppenmmnty u need to wsd the white film off first
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0:51 I don't understand why you're repeating what you have just said twice less than in 1 minute