Harley Davidson, Dyna front brake line replacement, (and DOT5 Fluid) !
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- A full custom brake line, and 're-flush' with fresh DOT 5 Brake Fluid !
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Learn something everyday - never saw a demonstration of Dot4 mixed with Dot5, though I did know and understand the danger of doing so. Now, I really know. Thanks!
The one thing you glossed over was wrapping the front lever to the grip and letting it sit overnight, the only method I've found that works to get rid of excessive travel in the lever. Absolutely blew my mind the first time I tried it. Love your work!
As I explained at the end of the video, I've done many uploads on brakes as it's a constant subject and I've explained the concept of strapping the lever in countless times and I did show it, up close and personal, at 6:46... Thank you for your support as always.
Sorry, haven't seen the other videos, I'll hunker down and keep watching.
It was great that you could get just the custom brake line you needed for a reasonable cost. Good to get rid of that s-bend that would look more at home under a sink.😁 Penny raises the bar again with the "wrench eye view" of the job. Epic work my friends. Safe riding and good health to you both. ❤👍👍
Hey Rick, glad you enjoyed it, still summer so enjoy the miles whilst we can! Thanks for your kind support as always, have a fabulous weekend there! D&Px
Why are you running your new brake line through metal p clips with no rubber grommet to protect them, just order the correct grommets to be fitted to the line when made, strange you take off the oe grommets on the line but feel there is no need for them on your new one.
Rubber coated metal clips...observe..!!!!!!!!
I got a rear one made up from the same place and it came with a grommet already fitted.
I had never done my own brakes until I watched so many of your videos. So I agree, it is super important. AND its not as hard as I thought. Now I do all mine, and my friends because it is that important.
Two biggest learnings from your videos: Brakes, Fork Oil - I had never attempted either before and now I do them all the time.
That's wonderful, glad to hear it mate, after all, it's just housekeeping and as you've found, it's not hard! Take care and ride safe!
Del and Penny. Thanks for another great video.
Regarding the clamps of the pipe,
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I would not leave the pipe free inside the ID clamps bore that is larger than OD pipe, it will cause the pipe to wear out quickly. Maybe you will make bushings on the lathe, two halves, that wear on the tube, and have shoulders so they don't slip from the clamps?
'I know, let's give two totally incompatible BRAKE fluids, . . . very nearly the same name!'
(Baby powder won't win any wars, but changing a nappy with gun powder will likely blow baby's mind . . Always read the packet! Excellent demo & super-chocolaty filmwork : )xx
What a wonderful thought! Glad you enjoyed today's installment, have a wonderful weekend full of confectionery! D&Px
Although the organic veranda now hiding my privates doth suggest I party on Ryvita, as Ops.manager & Chief Pilot of Air Lemming, I shall invoke the company motto, 'We fart in the handbag of adversity & pee on the chips of fate', then blow a raspberry & eat!
100%. It fast approaching spring here, so I’ve fully drained my f&r systems. Freshly cleaned calipers and fresh fluids waiting to go in. Just waiting for the rain to stop to remove the moisture in the air. Great video as usual guys ❤
Thanks buddy, appreciate your support, good luck with yours, hope it goes smoothly!
Well done Del, I wore through my rear brake line on my '04 (154000 km) and was educated on DOT 5 fluid. It was hard to find and quite pricy, being silicone based I did not risk mixing with DOT 4 . Like you say , money well spent. Enjoyed!
Sure thing buddy, it's about twice the price at least of DOT4, but if you ever need it again be aware your H-D main dealer will always have it on the shelf!
I agree Del your brake videos are always a good reminder on how to do these jobs well 👍
Thanks mate 👍
Fine video, as always, D&P. Loved the white board message. And I really liked seeing the brake fluid mix. Reading something and understanding it is one thing, but seeing really is believing, as they say... AS for seeing, mine eyes were SHOCKED when you took out those new banjo bolts for the new brake line... Hollowed-out weight saving hardware on a Harley Davidson!!??!! What sorcery is THIS!!?? Then Miss Penny changed to another camera view and I was able to recover. I was sure that I was seeing witchcraft on my screen! Take care, you two and enjoy the rest of the weekend. :)
Hey buddy, thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed the video... and yes, I thought I would mix up the scrap fluids just to show that they truly don't mix and it's really important never to confuse the two!... Enjoy your Sunday whatever you're doing, keep well and ride safe! D&Px
Just wondering on your fork oil change on your Dyna what did you torque the fork pinch bolt at. Thanks.
It was a week ago buddy, i would have looked it up in the manual, i don't keep torque specs to hand.. but just check in your manual under 'Fork clamp pinch bolts' !
Hiya Penny and Del - great video. As you say, nothing is more important than brakes! Thanks for bringing us along and for the demonstration of what happens with you mix DOT 4 and DOT 5! Take care, dear friends. Be well, ride safe.
Our pleasure buddy, always good to hear from you, and thank you for your support.
I currently have DOT 5 in my front brake lines and calipers but I want to make the switch to DOT4 how am I able to do this without leaving the dot5 in. I have magnum shielding brake lines and stock calipers
Not sure why you're looking to do this.. but the procedure is.... Throw away your old brake hoses, throw away ALL rubber parts in the master cylinder and brake calipers, strip and wash ALL internal parts in propyl alcohol, then rebuild everything front scratch with all new internals and all new hoses... and then HOPE..!
@@Moonfleet41 reason why I’m switching is because I’m going to be upgrading my master cylinder to a Brembo rcs19, and personally I’ve never liked the feel of the lever with DOT 5 it feels a lot spongy
Gee whiz… I’ve never seen silicone base brake fluid… that’s interesting… DOT 5… purple color..??? I always have a rule never mix different type together. Otherwise, drain it and put fresh in it!! You taught a good lesson here…Great shots !!
I googled DOT5 silicone base fluid, I wasn’t aware has some pros using it.. thank you for sharing!!
Sure thing buddy, but with DOT5 and DOT4 you cannot even drain one and re-fill with the other! You must strip the system, replace all rubber parts, replace all hoses, and clean metal parts with propyl alcohol, as even residue with contaminate and cause problems!
You created great example though… hope it opens everyone’s eyes… have great weekend!!
Informative and well demonstrated Del great video
Thanks mate 👍
Fascinating. Does my heart good to see that murky old stuff and the sketchy front line get replaced. I never knew about Harley and DOT5 usage!
Most welcome mate, glad you enjoyed it, DOT5 isn't really a modern solution, they don't use it in the current line up of bikes as it's too thick for ABS systems, was originally developed for the military and classic cars which sit for a long time and can't be changed regularly.
Outstanding video thank you. Do you get a better leaver reverse bleeding??
Not necessarily any better, but it's an instantly quick way to fill a dry system.
Can I add that DOT 5 and DOT 5.1 are NOT interchangeable. EAsy to confuse. From Google: "Since DOT 4 and 5.1 are both glycol-based brake fluids they are compatible with each other, which means they can be readily mixed without harming your brake system. It is important never to mistake DOT 5.1 (glycol-based) with DOT 5 which is silicone-based and should never be mixed with any other DOT fluid."
For convenience DOT5 is always branded as silicone brake fluid so you can't make that dangerous mistake!
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100% agree... As a Motorcycle Instructor one of the things I discuss with my students is doing a P.O.W.E.R check Petrol, Oil, Water, Electrics and Rubber.... And I always ask this question..... Whats the only thing that matters that works on the bike before you take it for a ride... I get answers like: the Engine. My reply to that is if it doesn't run you don't go anywhere so no not the correct answer. The lights. My reply to that is if the indiators don't work you can do hand signals so no not the correct answer. The Tyre pressure. if the wheel is flat you won't ride it so not the correct answer.
A few people say the Brakes to which I say that is the correct answer... You want to know that the brakes work before you even start the bike, if they don't work don't ride it.... For 10 seconds to check if you hold the front and back levers one at a time if the brakes hold you in place when you push the bike firmly, you know that you have a set of working brakes. if you haven't ridden the bike in a month check them. if you have never ridden the bike you are getting on DEFINITELY check them.... Brakes are the only thing that matters that works. So show and do as many brake videos as you have to!!!! Great job!!!
Thanks for that endorsement mate, it means a lot coming from an instructor... you are the guys who bring the new blood in to the community, so you're priceless... thank you for your wonderful support and all the good work you do buddy!
Yet another great common sense video Del! I have never seen dot 4 and dot 5 mixed! I would hate to see the result of that whilst riding! Have a great weekend mate!
Glad you enjoyed Paul, and yes whilst we had both to hand thought it was good to film it! Have a great weekend there, ride safe mate.
Super Job as always....
Thank you so much 😀
Great video mate...
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👍good tip mate
Thanks 👍
Are you using a different syringe /bleeding system for the two fluid types? If not, what do you clean the syringe out with?
Great video Del! I have a 2013 HD Electra Glide Custom with ABS rear brakes is there anything different when doing the ABS brakes? Cheers, Danny//
One thing I find unfortunate about using the syringe, and sometimes we have to, is that it seems to aerate the brake fluid something crazy and then I have to do another bleed 12 to 24 hours later. Noticeable air gets pulled out during this last bleed.
It is possible to use the syringe method incorrectly, if you're a bit rough with it, you'll aerate it and more so with DOT4 as the glycol fluids are less viscous so easier to aerate! But if you're really careful and work smooth and steady, you can get it right... you should always do a downward bleed after purging upwards for the reasons you said, and it always helps to tape the lever in and express the last of the air out the top! Brakes are never a straightforward job are they mate, they always fight you aye?!
Another great video Del and very well said at the end.
Thank you mate 👍, simple and obvious for all of us I'm sure you'll agree!
I got my old FXDX out this morning to give it the once over ready for the MOT and found that the rear brake light switch was stuck on. Luckily I'd already bought a HEL brake line and switch but never fitted it. The fluid in the master cylinder looked OK but when I bled it the fluid coming out looked like thin wallpaper paste. I suspect that someone had mixed DOT 5 and something else. I gave it a good flush through and now it seems to be fine. Hopefully no serious damage done and the brake feels much better now.
Ive had that too a couple of times, both on older Dynas too.. i think the DOT5 eventually goes grey and cloudy over time. the purple die does eventually wear off, so it may have just been old fluid.. possibly with a little water in it too.. so good job you changed it
Hey, just wanting to know how you measure the banjo and washer and direction, but also how to measure the length for brake lines. I've just brought some new 14" t bars and wanting to extend my brake line just unsure on how to measure everything and tell the guy at the brake line company. Any help would be awesome
It's a pretty simple process mate... you can use a piece of electric flex, it acts and behaves in a very similar way to the brake hose, so will curve and follow bends in a similar manner... and place it in the centre of the banjo hole, which could be referred to as 'banjo centres'... and then simply route the cable, whichever way you're happy with, allowing length for suspension travel and full lock on the steering. And the bends in the banjos should be the same as standard factory hoses, so just tell them what they are (plus don't forget to tell them the bore of the banjo and the thread of the banjo bolt as they can be different top and bottom on Harleys, but of course they should know this from their OEM specs). Hope that's helpful and good luck with it.
Great video Del. Nice demonstration between the Dot 4 and 5. As you showed, HD requires DOT 5, and it’s better resistant to rust, corrosion, repels water and lasts longer too. Have a great weekend.
Sure thing buddy, I maybe should have said a little more about it as there is one watch word with DOT5, kind of an achilles heel, and that's because it doesn't absorb water, any water sits in little blobs, like the blob I managed to poke in half in the master cylinder if you noticed... and as those drops of water sit against the metal, they can cause accelerated corrosion, more than DOT4... so it's always important to change it and it doesn't last longer for this reason... I'd still swop it over every 2yrs even if it is a bit more expensive!
There is also Dot 5.1. Same stuff as 4 and not to be mixed with 5. Even some sellers get confused with these and just might sell you the wrong one. Stay sharp and buy the right stuff.
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What kind of pump you are using
Here we are, direct link for you: www.spanner-monkey.co.uk/oil-and-brake-fluid-inspection-syringe-200ml-120826?search=vs404&description=true
I've used a company in southern California named Bonaco for all of my custom brake hose needs for decades. I prefer them over OEM.
Hey man! Great video as always. I´m trying to understand how to empty my brake lines and system on my 2014 Night Rod Special with ABS before sending master cylinders and calipers for paint. Could you kindly provide me with any kind of information, tips or videos on how to do this? Cheers mate!
Not a big drama, just take the banjos off the calipers and pump them out... remove what parts you want to paint.. and once you're ready, reassemble it all, and purge fill from the caliper upwards with a large syringe..! Hope that helps.. Good luck with it.
@@Moonfleet41 I’m so thankful that you tok your time explaining!! So if I remove the banjos right off without doing anything else they wont squirt brake fluid all over? I just leave it in an oil spill pan over the night or? Thanks again mate!!
@@JakobKaizen The systme isn't under pressure unless you pull the lever.. so that's right, remove the banjo bolts and direct the banjo unions over a catch tray and they're gently drain down most of their contents.. then once you're all rebuilt you can refill it from the bottom with a large syringe.!
@@Moonfleet41 MVP! Thanks alot mate!
another awesome video brother ! great demonstration on the brake fluid brother , had no idea they separate when mix together !!! well done brother !!! bike looks awesome !!!!!!!!! stay safe guy cheers from new york !!!
Sure thing, as you can see it's not mistake to make.. always read the label on the cap and check the fluid once you open it.. Always great to hear form you, and thank you as always for your wonderful support. D&Pxx
Dot 4 and dot 5 are definitely not fungible
I would assume when you took off that banjo bolt attached the master cylinder, the old brake fluid would come out and get all over everything, but it doesn't appear that's what happened. I stayed in the master cylinder until you sucked it out with that syringe. Would it take someone pulling in the brake lever to get that fluid to start squirting out of there? (It's good to know you can remove that bolt and not have brake fluid go all over the place.) Also interesting that you refilled it from the caliper, not the top of the master cylinder.
DOT 5 silicone fluid is a lot more viscous and unless you pump the lever it doesn't drain out under it's own weight, and yes you can fill from either end, but just quicker and more efficient to push it up from the bottom.
Good video as usual Del and Penny. I wish that more brands than Harley use Dot 5 because of the damage Dot 4 or 5.1 can couse on the paintwork. But nowdays Harley are using Dot 4 on there newer bikes from 2006 ? is that correct ?
They are indeed since ABS, they've had to use glycol fluids as silicone is too viscous for ABS.
Keep on making them Del and I’ll keep on watching. I’m building up the courage to do a mini resto myself, nothing fancy, keeping it simple, single cylinder that needs a little bit of work to get the basics down. Wouldn’t have attempted this without all your videos over the years, so thank you
You're most welcome my friend, im glad the video can inspire you, and good luck with your project.. have fun as it's about the journey, not the result.!
Another excellent video Del & Penny, job well done mate. You are so right about dot 4 and 5 fluid, people think it's all the same. As you said, get the stopping right, then worry about the go. Have a relaxing weekend, take care and stay safe. Cheers
Sure thing mate, there's no more important subject in bike maintenance than looking after your brakes. Have a great weekend too, take care and keep safe, D&Px
Bloody yank nuts. I didn't know Harry's used bovril for brake fluid bruv. That's a new one to me. Stay well and safe both of you.
Thanks Ray, have a great weekend, ride safe! D&Px
Nicely done, didn’t fancy the brick method overnight on the rear? Failing that a paint can would do 🤣 Enjoy the weekend.
Sure thing mate, whatever works aye? Hope you're all keeping well, enjoy your weekend fellah, D&Px
Two things I never scrape on with my bike is Del, Brakes and Tyres.
Absolutely mate, fundamental safety considerations! Ride safe.
Lekker job! When are you finishing the project HD mate?
Hey there, howzit?... not many jobs to go, just final finishing and some wiring, am determined to ride it before the end of the summer!
I'm wondering, when will the Sportster be ready?
Few jobs to do, videos coming up shortly!
You have a few critics of your channel, FUCK them, keep doing what you're doing, your channel is great!
Excellent video
I've never seen the dot 4 mixed with dot5 .
Now we actually know what happens if you mess up😅
Sure thing buddy, not a clever mistake to make!
You'll go to" HEL"for this! .... 👹
Ok, no need Wemoto do them. 🤗
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Loved it👍
Glad you liked it mate, thanks!
@@Moonfleet41 always, love the channel and always look forward to your videos. I have two small channels but yours is without doubt my favourite. Keep it up, great team👍
That's very kind of you mate, we really appreciate that, it keeps us motivated! Have a great weekend.
Nice work as ever.
Your going to run out of summer if you want to ride the harley
Those large plastic syringes are handy to have around. I have an old vintage bike where the primary only holds 400cc's of oil, so I'll suck it out and replace it with one of those syringes rather than take off the drain bolt (that tends to leak a bit already, so I'd rather leave it be.)
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🙌Another great episode and brilliant advice 🍻.
Just curious,, how's things with your Health? Its been a minute.
I say,, "if my Doc is happy,, then I'm happy". And my Doc is quite happy 😉.
Have a great weekend. 🙏🏻
Thanks for your kind words, glad you enjoyed this episode! Health is always work in progress, keep the balance of work and life!
Great timing once again, Del, as I am doing something similar tomorrow. Namely fitting a new clutch braided hose and binning the old factory rubber one.
Great video, as always, D&Px
Enjoy Marc, and have a great weekend there, some sunshine at last hopefully! Keep well, D&Px
Hi Del, nice demonstration why dot 4 and dot 5 shouldn't be mixed. Have a great weekend and catch you next week.
Andy.
Thanks mate 👍, glad you enjoyed... have a great weekend yourself!
Great video Del! Great advice! Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it mate, enjoy your weekend!