I personally, have no problem, what-so-ever, in being open to the possibility that Prince Yeshua was an Essene. They existed in Yeshua's day, and the more we find out about their teachings the more we see that they mirror Yeshua's teachings to a T. Paul created this blood cult religion of christianity and now, some 1,800 odd, years later, people are utterly, unable and unwilling to walk away from it no matter what evidence come to light to the contrary. This is EXACTLY, how knowledge and enlightenment get suppressed and forgotten over time.
When I was a young Christian I thought I knew alot of things about Christian things and kind of took pride in myself about it but now that I'm old I realize how much I focused on Dogma instead knowing the facts.. learning is never about age its about what you are willing to go to know.
You also don't see hardly any portmanteaus of any kind until recent history, right? People were a lot less likely to mess around with morphemes in such an uninformed way. Nazar + (ess)ene would be completely ungrammatical to the point of unintelligibility. My guess is this is a bias of English speakers, where we think that other languages are as morphologically unhinged as our language, to the extent that a portmanteau would even be possible. I know that Hebrew and Russian and other languages are fine with grabbing initial syllables of words, but not final ones, because that's where all the grammar is
Combining Nazar and Essene to make "Nazarene" to describe a person is... Not a thing? Like correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know of a language that has such a construct.
It's astonishing just how many things Broseph got wrong in such a short video. He appears to have spent more time on his beard than in his books though, so I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised.
Today, on this episode of Ignorant People Saying Stupid Things With Smart Words, we have a guy that read Holy Blood, Holy Grail, as a historically accurate account. But seriously, amazing job debunking as usual, Dan. Thank you for continuing to do this.
I'm sorry to be boring but once again I am forced to refer to the Dunning-Kruger effect. This creator is so confident, so authoritative and so wildly misinformed. He clearly thinks he is smarter than the rest of us and thus able to teach, when every word he utters displays his ignorance of established facts and consensus views.
Every single claim or belief, either stated explicitly or hinted at, that smacks of "the TRUTH that THEY don't want you to know about" immediately sends up red flags for me.
Yeshua did share specific beliefs in common with the Esscenes - water baptism, condemnation of divorce, the immediacy of the messiah, a "new covenant" and others. So it is an interesting question whether he picked those up directly from them or just as part of the cultural zeitgeist of the troubled Jewish people of the region. But the simple fact is that he had certain beliefs that wouldn't fly with them, such as his disregard for ritual purity, which shows that if (and I emphasize if) he was a member of that order he would have left or been kicked out.
The new covenant is debatable because the word "new" misses in many old versions in the famous verse. And in that verse Jesus refers to the covenant of Moses, he also says to the people to do everything the Pharisees tell you and he also referred to the law when asked how to get eternal life 4 times.
I enjoyed your video... I ran across the other guy, and I don't mind listening to people's points of view even if it is grossly wrong because of stuff like what happened here... I hadn't heard much of the Essenes before and thought I would like to look into it. Listening to the other guy stuff felt like it was "off" and I found this video that answered everything and more of what seemed wrong with what the other guy was saying
while the New testament mentions the town of Nazareth, there is no corresponding jewish historical documentation for the town of Nazareth until after the 2nd century. And many historians and others challenge the dates when the actual books in the New Testament were written. There is not complete scholarly agreement as to whether the Quamrun Community was in fact Essenian. If you study the historical records we have (Pliny the Elder, Flavius Josephus, Philo, etc) you will find amazing detail of the Essenes that directly correspond to the life and teachings of Jesus, irregardless of what the Quumran community exhibited. And few scholars doubt that John the Baptist was indeed an Essene.
Creating Jesus is kind of like Build-a-Bear: You start with a name but end up with something very customized. This creator has been working out, so plus there.
@@Darisiabgal7573 I hate to say it, but I'm already tiring of Dan. He reminds me of a more intelligent version of the bitter former evangelical tovia fans. I hope Santa finally got him what he wanted this year
@@tbishop4961 Yes, I have been trying to address some of the weaknesses in his responses. I think he is going for the cute but educational, but it sort of drags a whole bunch of noninformative baggage along with it. And so we get some of the comments like we see in reaction to this video. But yes, I have been letting alot of weaknesses fly lately.
Is it plausible that John the Baptist was an Essene? Or was that a misconception from that same brief time period following the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Nonsense. 'Hey Diddle Diddle' originated from a book called "Mother Goose's Melody" (circa 1765 London, England), which is actually a reimagining of another rhyme from an earlier play from the 1550s titled 'A Lamentable Tragedy Mixed Ful Pleasant Mirth, Conteyning the Life of Cambises King of Percia', written by English playwright Thomas Preston. And sense the "Spork" wasn't invented until the 1870s, I hardly think the Dish could have possibly ran away with it.
It has to be frustrating to see sincere people speak so erroneously about topics in which they have no expertise. And yet, others who are also not subject matter experts (SME's, as they're sometimes called) will just blindly run w/ inaccurate information. I would agree with Dan that Jesus might have been marginally influenced by the teaching of the Essenes, perhaps via his association with John the Baptist which is indicated by his strict observance of the law and his supposed statement in Matthew 5:17-18 that not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass away until all these things are fulfilled. Dr. James Tabor has written scholarly articles on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Qumran community and compares how the themes of this community (a coming Teacher of Righteousness, a messiah who would rule not from earth but from heaven and who would heal the sick and raise the dead), might have influenced the formation of the story of Jesus. ua-cam.com/video/d1itbBY1rOM/v-deo.html
No, but there’s good reason to think the “Johannine” Community was. i agree with Daniel Boyarin. i don’t think the Essenes disappear from history after 70 CE and i think all four canonical Gospels are jewish Gospels.
You don't need to explain a jew what Jewish holidays are. They are for sure written for Gentiles, the authors were in my opinion Gentiles too or at most heavily hellenised Jews.
@@germanboy14 i don’t think there are good arguments that “Matthew” and “John” were written by gentiles. i do think a case can be made that “Mark” and “Luke” were written by gentiles. In the case of “Mark” you have its latinisms and and its puzzling geographic setups. This can be easily explained by colonial occupation for the latinisms (“Paul” comes from latin, yet Paul was jewish) and literary/symbolic placement for the geography (the garasenes were relevant for the activity of simon bar giora and the invasion of legio x fretensis in 67 CE). Given “Mark’s” affiliation with Paul it makes the most sense that the author was one of his jewish companions. In the case of “Luke” acts clearly indicates that its author was gentile and wrote “Luke.” The problem here is that acts is a late forgery from around 150 CE and that Marcion’s Evangelion was clearly different than what we have in canonical “Luke.” Meaning: “Luke” was redacted by a gentile, but was originally composed by a jew. P.S.: i’m not disputing that the Gospels were written for gentiles as they certainly were.
Yes written for hebrews in Koine greek, cause every good jew read and wrote greek. Also they loved stories about young boys sleeping next to religious leaders having their nudity revealed. Also Hebrews loved itenerate men who were not married who had enterages of unmarried women following them. The first story in the Gospel of John is a derivation of a story about Dionysus.
Jesus was a Nazarene of the faith of Abraham. Abraham was the one the promise was given too. He was also called righteous before the law was given proving the law justifies no man. Jesus was the promised one.
Matthew was written between 75 and 95 CE and by a diasporic Jew who was unfamiliar with the Judean scriptures. Moreover he borrows heavily from Mark, which is mostly fiction and the Q source, he adds a dabble of slab sitting angels and wandering 🧟♀️ zombies 🧟♂️. IOW Matthew is not a witness to anything Jesus.
There's no teaching of the trinity in this verse. There's a trinitarian formula (mentioning of father, son and holy spirit), but in no way it is taught they all three are God and equal in power and importance. Even more, this part is very likely a later addition. The historical Jesus had no intention to build up a world-wide mission, he wanted to reform Judaism to be a light of the nations, so that other nations would find their way to them, not the other way round. It's safe to say that every quotation of Jesus after his resurrection is equally made up as the other resurrection details, which are all different and contradicting.
@@DoloresLehmann Moses was already commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants.
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 What does this have to do with my comment? And could I have a verse, please? Because I'm fairly sure he was commanded to brutally wipe out a substantial portion of those world inhabitants.
@@DoloresLehmann It has lots to do with your comment. Moses was already a light to the nations. "Reforming Judaism" is a euphemism for creating a new religion.
New age approach to explain Jesus? Wow. I mean even the Catholic Church upholds some suspiciously heretic visions by one of their saints called St. Bridget of Sweden, the patron of Sweden. She literally said she saw Jesus and Jesus took her as his bride. Not in a metaphorical sense but literally bridegroom and bride. So Mary Magdalene bring the wife of Jesus is a heresy but this Swedish saint being a bride is not? Look at what Jesus said in St Bridget’s vision: “I have chosen you and taken you to myself as my bride in order to show you the ways of the world and my divine secrets, for this pleases me… I take you to myself as my bride and for my own pleasure, the kind that is becoming for God to have with a chaste soul.” Wow. I don’t know, kinda flirty.
So we get here in this video and the response in the comments what happene when you respond to something, but its really not an informed response. While its true that Kaballah was not a mysticism of Jesus's time, there were mysticisms and those mysticisms are not represented in the christian bible. I cannot deal with everything wrong with this response video but let me just hit an area of which I have at least a little more expertise. When we refer to mysticism we open, in the context of first century christianity, a whole pandora's box of notions, blending, etc. What we really want to know is what flowed out of earliest cristianity versus what flowed in, and even that simple dichotomy is a headache to solve. An excellent example is the christian thinker Augustine. Augustine converted from the manicheans, which was in part born out of Alcaesites, which was a part of the Jewish "christian" diaspora. So that we can see here that Early "the way of the light" thinking flowed into gnostism along with middle platonism and other jewish protognostic thought and then this flows into manicheaism along with Zoroastrian, hindu, buddhist and greek thought and then this flows back into christianity. Each group is parsing, curating and excluding ideas. When, as a mystic, one sees the plethora of that process one is better informed and less likely to venture down 'snake ridden rabbit holes'. The mystical evolution of christianity never stopped as one perfect modern example is Joseph Smith II? So no Kaballah in Christian development, no 1300 page mystical guide books, but there might as well have been. Though lacking a centralized complexity christian mysticism had a diffuse, interlayered and interlinked complexity. The radiant mystical ways of the Jesus followers is perhaps one of the better evidences of his existence, but its not a testimony for what Jesus believed. The reason it isnt can be defined by Elaine Pagels. That although Jesus was preaching in a Jewish context, he simultaneously promoting the release from Jewish formalism of the major sects. His disciples modified what he taught and taught others, including non-Jews and before long we had a dozens of mystical messianic beliefs. And so we need to deal with evidence, and if we ignore what Mark adds to the synoptic and accept Johannians 2nd and 3rd layers is anti-semietic, then we can shut down a couple of paths backwards. This leaves Q, which is not very mystical, and Secret Sayings, by and large late second century. But it does leave one kernal. The "seek, find, marvel, empower, rest" and its variations are one of the more attested sayings. However this notion is more eastern mediterranean than neareastern. So despite the gospels stated polemic of Jesus against gentiles, they are dabbling in western mysticism. What they are dabbling in we dont know, and we shouldnt pretend we do. The book of Jude is dabbling in enochian mysteries, but in my opinion this is post revolt and second peter follows. The apocrypha of John, as Tabor puts it, looks like it was originally a Jewish polemic against Neros Empire, but is later repurposed for christian purposes during the time of Domitian. So while we can see that this author has Merkavah mystical elements, it may have not been used in any pre-revolt christian context. Indeed, while the gospels are seeped in Danielic ideas about apocalypse there are no specific references leading one to believe that these thoughts were in the air at the time. Again the Epistles of John appear to be tied to the Author of the third layer. And so most of the new testament points away from the mystical beliefs of the people of "the way of light". The Dead Sea scrolls seem to be more informative, but in contrast to Elaine Pagels argument, the mysticism is surrounded by strict formalisms. But there are some conceptual precedences we can and should borrow from them and throw them into the basket of his followers. Jesus, it needs to be stated, did not start a religion; what he did do is emphasize some ideas in the space of belief ideas. So this leaves Paul and Acts. Paul reveals that he had an epiphany and after discussing with a follower he went into the Aravah for 3 years, he doesnt say what he did in this passage, but we can understand that he likely was trying to practice as a desert mystic. Desert mysticism wasnt uncommon for Jews and Christians, and its likely that some groups that merged to form gnosticism were Jewish mystics in Aravah, Tenma, and Egypt. There is at least one famous 7th century mystic who founded a major world religion. While we can attempt to read more mystic complexity into this, we need to actually scrape anything from the second century off the argument, given that by the second century christianity is engaging mystical believes that span 3000+ miles.
And so to extend this we look at two specific individuals, Paul and Peter. Lets deal with Peter's first. In Acts 10 peter is sojourning, i believe to Jappa, and he reaches the house of another Peter, he goes to the Sea, bathes, then before eating, he retires to the roof of the house and prays. There he has a visual manifestation. This practice can be thought of as a kind of ritual magick as some desert mystics might use. It is known from other texts that Peter liked to bathe, so it would appear that bathing was part of his prayer ritual. We don't learn much of the strain of mysticism from the vision, and given its Acts of the Apostles, we probably should not trust its interpretation. But we do know that Peter was motivated to teach "the way" to the gentile followers who wanted to know, this according to Paul's scolding him for his behavioral shift when Yakov's watchers are present. And so now we have Paul. Much of Pauls mysticism teaching comes from 2 cor 12, again we need to first examine this that in some kind of hetero-Jewish teaching Paul learns some secrets concerning Hekhalot (Throne/Palace) mysticism, that he is told not to tell of this out of penalty of death. Paul is using this secret knowledge to promote himself as a worthy apostle to the Corinthians, but in the process of the revelation he has to dress up as "I once knew a man" which, Paul hardly esoteric to begin with very definitely exoteric in his mysticism. But it does appear that Paul does learn this after his epiphany and so likely his teacher was an Jesus following esoteric mystic of the Hekhalot. Its not a definition but a vector, it points closer to Yeshu[a] of Natzrat [Nazara] than anything else we have on the putative mystic. So now we need to discuss Ezekiel and Eastern mysticism, which is really the earliest western mysticism. Ezekiel is born in Judea at a time where the post Samarian Judean kings were trying to scrub polytheism from their beliefs. But still there were persistent beliefs in 'l, **, the canaanite version of il ilu, dingir Anu, the originally urukian sky god. Ezekiel has that gods name in his name. The cities of legacy Israel have the mesopotamian gods in their names: Anath, Shamesh, Lahmi, El. Astarte is indirectly refered to in Genesis (Judah and Tamar), and of course there are substrate gods, Athirath, Hadad, Hamon, Gad, Yam, Mot, etc. And we know from Jeremiah, a contemporary of Ezekiel, that people are still holding onto their old gods. And so we find ourselves in 6th century BCE Mesopotamia, the land of the old gods, and every city had its special theogeny, foundation story, and favored gods. On top of this we have a resurrected Babylon who promoted Marduk, a 23rd century BCE upstart, and the Supreme god Asshur has been killed, dead. The Medes have wiped them out, their towns leveled to the ground. Ezekiel is on a bank of a canal outside of Larsa, A good day or two walk away are all the settlements of the Uruk culture, the founder of civilization itself. Uruk the origin of An/El, Ur the home of legendary Abram, Bad Tibera the home of Tammuz, Eridu the home of Abzu, "Tiamat", Ea (who i think is primitive Yah), and Nammu (creation god[dess]). He's not in Babylon, the place of exile, but traveling around, learning. And so Ezekiel must have been impressed about the clarity of beliefs in gods and heaven, and the great antiquity of places. The book is largely a mystical expression in which the progenitors of both Merkavah (Chariot) and Hekhalot(throne/palace) mysticism appears. Tammuz appears in his vision. Not to mention certain dangly bits. And so we need to understand the nature of the throne and the context of power it signifies. Uruk was the throne, at least the idea that sumer could project its enterprises out in to the uncivilized world to extract value and return it to Sumer to be refined. In order for the city states to collaborate to get all the things they did not have, they needed a principle, and An was that principle, its priest essentially dispute moderators and organizers of colonization. As the civilization grew so did the pyramid of divine beings, always with An on the heavenly throne in the celestial sky, heaven. Below him his sons, and gradsons, then lessor gods, the priests and great kings, the peoples and beliw that the underworld. Ezekials throne is the place he puts his dying god on top, he creates a chariot with wheels pointing all directions so his god can travel, as long as Y--H followers believed, so must he move to support them. With his wheels maybe the fate of Asshur can be averted. Ezekial then forcasts the rebuilding of the high shrine to his god, higher than any of the mesopotamian ziggurats, Jerusalem the city on mt. Mariah. We also need to look at one other god to understand what drives Ezekiel. Ea is the Arch god of secret wisdom, trickery and magic. Mysticism is no stranger to members of his cult. He sends his cultic members far and wide, and in secret. His Apkallu are a prototype to Jonah, the come from the mediteranean and red sea, these sages of great kings. Bethlehem = House of the Garduan of Enki (Lahmi). Marduk tries to usurp the power of Ea, but his influences by this time are great, because by the 6th century sages of Enki now come in many flavors, including Yehudite flavors. And Ezekiel is one of these sages. His role is to come forth, from the waters (Canal Symbolism, Mikvah Symbolism), to instruct kings what they must do, women wiping Tammuz's tears from their eyes and restore the kingdom. And so we know a little bit about Jewish mysticism that probably was flowing into earliest christian mystics. Its not much, but these mysticisms also flowed indirectly later into the Kabbalah. For a good discourse of Jewish Mysticism I recommend Justin Sledge's video series on the matter over at Esoterica. Dr. Angela Puca does a fair amount of study defining the techniques of mysticism and various types of mysticism in the modern context, but the generalized rules equally apply to ancient mystics over at Angela's Symposium. Dr. James Tabor takes a deep dive into Pauls trip to paradise on his channel he also examines the apocalyptic literature from its Hebrew roots to modern day, which i also recommend. For resources dealing with mesopotamia there is Digital Hammurabi, the Lewis and Clark [Bowen] of historical religious exploration on You Tube. And so answer, what kind of mystic was Jesus? Essene, Kaballah, Hekhalot, Merkabal? He was a maverick, not particularly fitting any train of belief, with eastern mediterranean motifs, mesopotamian motifs, and derivative motifs all poorly defined. He was not Gnostic (Borbello), Kaballah, Essene, Pharisetic or otherwise. The famous physicist Leonardo Suskind says about an electron question, is it a wave or a particle? its a disturbance of its own (electron) field. Likewise Yeshu of Nazara was a mystical disturbance of the field of mysticism/belief in which he lived and the perturburations rippled disturbances away from himself and into the civilized world that lasted for millenium. This is how we should understand Jesus, a perturbation of belief systems.
The Jesus of the Gospels was whatever his literary creators required him to be in order to get their message across. Evidently, they saw no need to present him as an Essene from the ‘Qumran Valley' - a characterization which would, doubtless, had had little meaning to their Greek speaking audiences.
One problem. Dan thinks that Nazareth existed based on gospels and Acts that were written around 80AD. That's just not viable evidence for a city that supposedly existed before the Common Era with no other references.
The church fathers assert that the Essenes originated the Christian religion. Modern day clerics vehemently deny this fact. Christian writers said quite clearly that Essenism and Christianity were the same religion, the former name being used at an earlier period. Eusebius, a standard ecclesiastical writer of the fourth century, asserts in his History of the Church: *"Those ancient Therapeuts (Essenes) were Christians, and their ancient writings were our gospels."* - Eusebius In Matthew 18:17, Jesus clearly says, "tell it to the church" before Christians claim there was a church. The Essenes, held assemblies and congregations, which are words translated as church. The Essenes had not only churches, but bishops, deacons, elders, priests, disciples, scriptures, gospels, epistles, psalms, hymns, mystery, allegory, and so on, long before Christianity. Christ and his apostles had nothing to originate, either with respect to doctrines, precepts, church polity, or ecclesiastical terms-all being established for them long before. The Essenes and Christians could not have existed at the same time as separate institutions-they were too similar. The latter must have emerged from the former. Josephus says, the Essenes were scattered far and wide, and were in every city, being quite numerous in Judaea in his time, but he makes no reference to any sect or religious order by the title of Christian. He and the other classic writers tell us the Essenes had a high appreciation of the inspired law of God, an apparent difference from Christianity explained by the transfer of Essenism to gentiles. The highest aim of their lives was to become fit temples of the Holy Ghost (1 Cor 6:19), to perform cures especially spiritual cures and to be spiritually qualified as forerunners of the Messiah. They strove to be like the angels of heaven. They taught the duty of mortifying the flesh and the lusts thereof. They avoided impure contact with the heathen and the world's people and lived apart from the world, being in numbers about four thousand. There were no rich and poor or masters and servants amongst them. Total silence was observed while eating. A solemn oath was required on becoming a member of the secret order, after which they scrupulously avoided oaths. The scroll fragments prove to be messianic, make use of the same frequent scriptural quotations used in the New Testament books, have similar concepts of Righteousness, Piety, Truth, Justification, Works, the Poor, the Meek and use similar vocabulary. The Hebrew word "hesed" in the Qumran fragments is translated by traditional Qumran scholars as "Piety" but it can also be rendered as "Grace" which is the translation used in Paul's epistles. Scroll words are Christian words. Finally they took a solemn vow to exercise piety toward God and justice toward all men, to renounce the wicked, assist the good to keep clear of theft and unrighteous gains, to conceal none of their mysteries of godliness from each other, or disclose them to others. They were to walk humbly with God, shun bad society, forgive their enemies, sacrifice their passions, and crucify the lusts of the flesh. They disregarded bodily suffering and even gloried in martyrdom, preaching and singing to God amid their sufferings. They wore their clothes until they became ragged. Their food consisted of bread and water, and wild roots and fruits of the palm tree. They enjoined their duty, not only of forgiving their enemies, but of seeking to benefit them, and of even blessing the destroyer who took life and property. Such was the religion, such the moral system, such the devout piety and such the practical lives of the Essenes, a religious sect which flourished in Alexandria and Judaea before the birth of Christ and was replaced in history by Christianity. Excerpts from: "The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies" website
I mean, there's an argument to be made that Peter and co. were possibly former Essene's that started their own fringe cult. Or possibly they were from a similar, unknown sect. But if you're going to use the gospels to tell you anything reliable about Jesus, I've got a bridge to sell ya. It just so happens that it connects Nazareth with the Qumran site.
@@germanboy14the argument I've heard is that even though the Essenes existed at the same time as the Pharisees and Sadducees, none of the gospels mention the Essenes. So possibly the gospels were written from the perspective of the one of the Essene groups -- there's no reason to mention the Essenes if you _are_ the Essenes.
Steve Mason (Canadian historian of Judea in the Graeco-Roman period, best known for his studies of Josephus and early Christian writings.) makes a good case that Jesus was a follower of John the Baptist and after John was killed by Herod he started his own ministry. He also notes that Qumran being a Essenes site is a conclusion scholars jumped at without having actual supporting evidence. Might have been other Jewish communities. IIRC I heard from Dale B. Martin that Jesus, the historical Jesus not the character of the gospels, might have been a pharisee originally because his ideology aligned more with them than with the Essenes. Anyway very difficult to get an accurate picture of history when we have so little info to go by and we must rely a lot on interpretation and inference.
OK, I agree that the person you are reviewing is, at best, very misinformed. However, just what have you got for the existence of Nazareth in the 1st century CE other than "because the Bible tells me so"? From my own, admittedly amateur, research the evidence for a 1st century CE Nazareth is both skimpy and more than a little questionable.
There were several major players in Israelite society: Nazarites, Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes, Zealots & *"Essenes."* Jesus was not of the first five. According to the visions of the Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerick. The grandparents of St Anne were *"Essene."* as was John the Baptist. The Essene's practiced a form of Gnosticism who's records were lost after 70 AD. and differed from that which came afterwards. Therefore I say that despite your attempt to seem knowledgeable on the subject, you are *NOT* and are not alone in this
The Essenes practiced a frequent water cleansing ritual. John the Baptist (JTB) was therefore probably one of them and Jesus bowed to him. While JTB however was a stickler for the letter of the law, Jesus believed more in the spirit of the law. The Bishop's mitre symbolizes the flame of the Holy Spirit but also the 2 horns of the Bible; the letter of the law in the OT & spirit of the law in the NT. The combination of which send frights thru the demons. The frequent water cleansing ritual evolved into Baptism, the Holy water font at the back of the church & use of holy water for blessing
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"They taught that there were eight heavens, each under a separate archon. In the seventh reigned a figure variously called Yaldabaoth or Sabaoth, creator of heaven and earth, the God of the Jews, represented by some Borborites under the form of an ass or a hog; hence the Jewish prohibition of swine's flesh. In the eighth heaven reigned Barbelo, the mother of the living; the Father of All, the supreme God; and Jesus Christ. They denied that Christ was born of Mary, or had a real body, defending instead docetism; and also denied the resurrection of the body. The human soul after death wanders through the seven heavens, until it obtains rest with Barbelo. Man possesses a soul in common with plants and beasts." The Evolution of Sethianism according to Turner: "Phase 1. According to Turner, two different groups, existing before the 2nd century CE, formed the basis for the Sethians: a Jewish group of possibly priestly lineage, the so-called Barbeloites, named after Barbelo, the first emanation of the Highest God, and a group of Biblical exegetes, the Sethites, the "seed of Seth". Phase 2. The Barbeloites were a baptizing group that in the mid-2nd century fused with Christian baptizing groups. They started to view the pre-existing Christ as the "self-generated (Autogenes) Son of Barbelo", who was "anointed with the Invisible Spirit's 'Christhood'". According to Turner, this "same anointing [was] received by the Barbeloites in their baptismal rite by which they were assimilated to the archetypal Son of Man." The earthly Jesus was regarded as the guise of Barbelo, appearing as the Divine Logos, and receiving Christhood when he was baptized. Phase 3. In the later 2nd century CE, the Christianized Barbeloites fused with the Sethites, together forming the Gnostic Sethianists. Seth and Christ were identified as bearers of "the true image of God who had recently appeared in the world as the Logos to rescue Jesus from the cross." Phase 4. At the end of the 2nd century, Sethianism grew apart from the developing Christian orthodoxy, which rejected the Docetian view of the Sethians on Christ. Phase 5. In the early 3rd century, Sethianism was fully rejected by Christian heresiologists, and Sethianism shifted toward the contemplative practices of Platonism, while losing their interest in their own origins. Phase 6. In the late 3rd century, Sethianism was attacked by neo-Platonists like Plotinus, and Sethianism alienated from Platonism. In the early to mid-4th century, Sethianism fragmented into various sectarian Gnostic groups, like the Archontics, Audians, Borborites, and Phibionites. Some of these groups existed into the Middle Ages." You should school yourself in mysticism. #1 Rule of esoteric mysticism: keep your mouth shut about the scrambled eggs stirring around your head as a result of practice. #2 Rule, study and reflect in private about the origin of rituals you engage in.
@@Darisiabgal7573 hello my love , I'm not sure why you sent this information,as you are simply reading from literature? Also it is rather rude at the end saying about shutting ones mouth?,if I'm correct you are intrigued by yeshi & daddy (yeshua & Yahweh) therefore why do you feel it appropriate to be rude to them via myself, as I said my name ,our family name ,so you speak rudely to us ?..... The sadness is for you ,that you had the opportunity (listed on other comments)to actually speak to myself & therefore learn something not in any book 📖 here 🌎 ,when your time comes to pass over ,you will then be aware ,not only that you blew away one of the greatest opportunities given to any soul here 🌎 but that you were also insulting to your creators partner....this is my joy , remember it my love ...for I am she Ashera (barbelo of the Godhead) here for a short while at his will......you had the chance to know something real of your creator but instead you chose ONE OF HIS BOOKS to quote me,then insulted his wife on his planet 🌎...... blessings... Baba Christ 🕊️🤍
@@Darisiabgal7573 MY APOLOGIES I PRESSUMED YOU TO BE THE PRESENTER BUT YOU SIMPLY ARE JUST A VIEWER RUDE & IGNORANT OF WHO I AM .....I OFFER NO SYMPATHY TO YOU........🕊️🤍
@@BABACHRISTOS What I am saying to you is that unless you want to fall into the exoteric delusions of other past mystics, its better to close ones mouth and reflect on what your saying. While you might think it important to express your ideas, as Paul did, people read his letters but no christian actually believes his theology. Stop, think, understand. I am a mystic, Ive had thousands of visions, i have been all the places other mystics describe, and what I learned is that what feels tangible in a religious sense is profane (As described in Acts 10) and what is not profane is also not magestic. Look up the text Mirro of the Soul. The look up the author after you read the text.
@@Darisiabgal7573 thank you for your kinder phrasing ,but I don't read any of daddy's books here at all ,I don't need to ,he tells me everything,even things that aren't written here for humans 🌎(on his pin cushion he calls it) I'm his first daughter .he doesn't care for the books they simply serve a purpose for him,& certainly aren't for human translation anyway....it's a all a game to him ,sorry I only know who he is not what everyone assumes him to be (here as God.)..this is how I know things & him personally ,,.i hope this makes sense ,.he calls me Baba, aka daddy's girl...which he says is( barbelo one of my name's prior)....love , & blessed be... Baba 🕊️🤍
People who actually know NOTHING often speak with AUTHORITY.
People who actually know SOMETHING often speak MODESTLY.
I personally, have no problem, what-so-ever, in being open to the possibility that Prince Yeshua was an Essene. They existed in Yeshua's day, and the more we find out about their teachings the more we see that they mirror Yeshua's teachings to a T. Paul created this blood cult religion of christianity and now, some 1,800 odd, years later, people are utterly, unable and unwilling to walk away from it no matter what evidence come to light to the contrary. This is EXACTLY, how knowledge and enlightenment get suppressed and forgotten over time.
When I was a young Christian I thought I knew alot of things about Christian things and kind of took pride in myself about it but now that I'm old I realize how much I focused on Dogma instead knowing the facts.. learning is never about age its about what you are willing to go to know.
New Age gurus are hilarious. Merry Christmas, Dan.
It’s amazing how many people are totally comfortable making shit up
"Christian and Catholic churches."
Aight man. Aight.
Is it an American thing to separate catholicism from the rest of Christianity?
@@brontanesullivan1985 God, I don't even know where to begin answering this.
Council of nicaea 😂paganism
@@brontanesullivan1985 It became popular as a way to other-ize Catholics, yes.
You also don't see hardly any portmanteaus of any kind until recent history, right? People were a lot less likely to mess around with morphemes in such an uninformed way. Nazar + (ess)ene would be completely ungrammatical to the point of unintelligibility. My guess is this is a bias of English speakers, where we think that other languages are as morphologically unhinged as our language, to the extent that a portmanteau would even be possible. I know that Hebrew and Russian and other languages are fine with grabbing initial syllables of words, but not final ones, because that's where all the grammar is
Pretty sure a lot of evangelicals think the Bible was written in English. 😅
@@pansepot1490 A tiny minority of Christian seem to think English is the language of God, that Santa is Satan because it's an anagram in English.
Holy crap, “morphologically unhinged” is probably one of the best descriptions of English I’ve ever heard.
Combining Nazar and Essene to make "Nazarene" to describe a person is... Not a thing? Like correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know of a language that has such a construct.
THE NEW AGE CAGE IS A HELL OF A PLACE FOR UNTRUTHFUL INFO AND CONSPIRACY. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING HIM
It's astonishing just how many things Broseph got wrong in such a short video. He appears to have spent more time on his beard than in his books though, so I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised.
He made himself all pretty so people would believe him. I have to say he really sells it, though. 😂😂😂😂
Today, on this episode of Ignorant People Saying Stupid Things With Smart Words, we have a guy that read Holy Blood, Holy Grail, as a historically accurate account. But seriously, amazing job debunking as usual, Dan. Thank you for continuing to do this.
I'm sorry to be boring but once again I am forced to refer to the Dunning-Kruger effect. This creator is so confident, so authoritative and so wildly misinformed. He clearly thinks he is smarter than the rest of us and thus able to teach, when every word he utters displays his ignorance of established facts and consensus views.
I was waiting for the Templars/Masons to show up to further the conspiracy theory.
And the Scottish band Nazareth are also mystical priests sent from God. Thats actually a little true.
It's also true that love hurts
Does that mean that Coverdale was the Whitesnake from the gadda da vida?
In Spanish we don’t care a penny of King James Version and yet we have Nazareth.
Every single claim or belief, either stated explicitly or hinted at, that smacks of "the TRUTH that THEY don't want you to know about" immediately sends up red flags for me.
We live in a retrospective age. If you want to be mystical, just be mystical. No need to lie about it
Yeshua did share specific beliefs in common with the Esscenes - water baptism, condemnation of divorce, the immediacy of the messiah, a "new covenant" and others. So it is an interesting question whether he picked those up directly from them or just as part of the cultural zeitgeist of the troubled Jewish people of the region.
But the simple fact is that he had certain beliefs that wouldn't fly with them, such as his disregard for ritual purity, which shows that if (and I emphasize if) he was a member of that order he would have left or been kicked out.
The new covenant is debatable because the word "new" misses in many old versions in the famous verse. And in that verse Jesus refers to the covenant of Moses, he also says to the people to do everything the Pharisees tell you and he also referred to the law when asked how to get eternal life 4 times.
I enjoyed your video... I ran across the other guy, and I don't mind listening to people's points of view even if it is grossly wrong because of stuff like what happened here... I hadn't heard much of the Essenes before and thought I would like to look into it. Listening to the other guy stuff felt like it was "off" and I found this video that answered everything and more of what seemed wrong with what the other guy was saying
while the New testament mentions the town of Nazareth, there is no corresponding jewish historical documentation for the town of Nazareth until after the 2nd century. And many historians and others challenge the dates when the actual books in the New Testament were written. There is not complete scholarly agreement as to whether the Quamrun Community was in fact Essenian. If you study the historical records we have (Pliny the Elder, Flavius Josephus, Philo, etc) you will find amazing detail of the Essenes that directly correspond to the life and teachings of Jesus, irregardless of what the Quumran community exhibited. And few scholars doubt that John the Baptist was indeed an Essene.
Creating Jesus is kind of like Build-a-Bear: You start with a name but end up with something very customized. This creator has been working out, so plus there.
Gospel writers did. What's good for the goose..
@@tbishop4961Crom has a golden goose?
@@Darisiabgal7573 I hate to say it, but I'm already tiring of Dan. He reminds me of a more intelligent version of the bitter former evangelical tovia fans. I hope Santa finally got him what he wanted this year
@@tbishop4961 Yes, I have been trying to address some of the weaknesses in his responses.
I think he is going for the cute but educational, but it sort of drags a whole bunch of noninformative baggage along with it. And so we get some of the comments like we see in reaction to this video.
But yes, I have been letting alot of weaknesses fly lately.
I appreciate the work of the guy but I love the debunk !
Please could you increase the volume? Thank goodness for the subtitles, but I don't always want to read them. Many thanks.
And what about John the Baptizer?
Is it plausible that John the Baptist was an Essene? Or was that a misconception from that same brief time period following the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
"Did you know...that when the cow jumped over the moon, the dish actually ran away with a spork???"
Nonsense. 'Hey Diddle Diddle' originated from a book called "Mother Goose's Melody" (circa 1765 London, England), which is actually a reimagining of another rhyme from an earlier play from the 1550s titled 'A Lamentable Tragedy Mixed Ful Pleasant Mirth, Conteyning the Life of Cambises King of Percia', written by English playwright Thomas Preston.
And sense the "Spork" wasn't invented until the 1870s, I hardly think the Dish could have possibly ran away with it.
I am a Tangerine. 🍊
Love when you take these influencers to task...
Perhaps Merkavah / Hekhalot mysticism? Paul’s 2 Corinthians 12:2 certainly has these elements.
3:37-3:41 We know next to nothing about what Jesus was doing.
It has to be frustrating to see sincere people speak so erroneously about topics in which they have no expertise. And yet, others who are also not subject matter experts (SME's, as they're sometimes called) will just blindly run w/ inaccurate information.
I would agree with Dan that Jesus might have been marginally influenced by the teaching of the Essenes, perhaps via his association with John the Baptist which is indicated by his strict observance of the law and his supposed statement in Matthew 5:17-18 that not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass away until all these things are fulfilled.
Dr. James Tabor has written scholarly articles on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Qumran community and compares how the themes of this community (a coming Teacher of Righteousness, a messiah who would rule not from earth but from heaven and who would heal the sick and raise the dead), might have influenced the formation of the story of Jesus.
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No, but there’s good reason to think the “Johannine” Community was. i agree with Daniel Boyarin. i don’t think the Essenes disappear from history after 70 CE and i think all four canonical Gospels are jewish Gospels.
You don't need to explain a jew what Jewish holidays are. They are for sure written for Gentiles, the authors were in my opinion Gentiles too or at most heavily hellenised Jews.
@@germanboy14 i don’t think there are good arguments that “Matthew” and “John” were written by gentiles. i do think a case can be made that “Mark” and “Luke” were written by gentiles. In the case of “Mark” you have its latinisms and and its puzzling geographic setups. This can be easily explained by colonial occupation for the latinisms (“Paul” comes from latin, yet Paul was jewish) and literary/symbolic placement for the geography (the garasenes were relevant for the activity of simon bar giora and the invasion of legio x fretensis in 67 CE). Given “Mark’s” affiliation with Paul it makes the most sense that the author was one of his jewish companions. In the case of “Luke” acts clearly indicates that its author was gentile and wrote “Luke.” The problem here is that acts is a late forgery from around 150 CE and that Marcion’s Evangelion was clearly different than what we have in canonical “Luke.” Meaning: “Luke” was redacted by a gentile, but was originally composed by a jew.
P.S.: i’m not disputing that the Gospels were written for gentiles as they certainly were.
Yes written for hebrews in Koine greek, cause every good jew read and wrote greek. Also they loved stories about young boys sleeping next to religious leaders having their nudity revealed. Also Hebrews loved itenerate men who were not married who had enterages of unmarried women following them.
The first story in the Gospel of John is a derivation of a story about Dionysus.
@@Darisiabgal7573 Uh…cool.
There is no evidence of a town called Nazareth in existence at the time of Jesus, scholars have argued.
Jesus was a Nazarene of the faith of Abraham.
Abraham was the one the promise was given too. He was also called righteous before the law was given proving the law justifies no man.
Jesus was the promised one.
Christian and Catholic churches?
This guy knows nowt.
Teaching the idolatrous trinity in Matthew 28:19 kinda got him kicked out of the orthodox Jewish club.
Matthew was written between 75 and 95 CE and by a diasporic Jew who was unfamiliar with the Judean scriptures. Moreover he borrows heavily from Mark, which is mostly fiction and the Q source, he adds a dabble of slab sitting angels and wandering 🧟♀️ zombies 🧟♂️. IOW Matthew is not a witness to anything Jesus.
There's no teaching of the trinity in this verse. There's a trinitarian formula (mentioning of father, son and holy spirit), but in no way it is taught they all three are God and equal in power and importance. Even more, this part is very likely a later addition. The historical Jesus had no intention to build up a world-wide mission, he wanted to reform Judaism to be a light of the nations, so that other nations would find their way to them, not the other way round.
It's safe to say that every quotation of Jesus after his resurrection is equally made up as the other resurrection details, which are all different and contradicting.
@@DoloresLehmann Moses was already commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants.
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 What does this have to do with my comment? And could I have a verse, please? Because I'm fairly sure he was commanded to brutally wipe out a substantial portion of those world inhabitants.
@@DoloresLehmann It has lots to do with your comment. Moses was already a light to the nations. "Reforming Judaism" is a euphemism for creating a new religion.
New age approach to explain Jesus? Wow. I mean even the Catholic Church upholds some suspiciously heretic visions by one of their saints called St. Bridget of Sweden, the patron of Sweden. She literally said she saw Jesus and Jesus took her as his bride. Not in a metaphorical sense but literally bridegroom and bride. So Mary Magdalene bring the wife of Jesus is a heresy but this Swedish saint being a bride is not?
Look at what Jesus said in St Bridget’s vision: “I have chosen you and taken you to myself as my bride in order to show you the ways of the world and my divine secrets, for this pleases me… I take you to myself as my bride and for my own pleasure, the kind that is becoming for God to have with a chaste soul.”
Wow. I don’t know, kinda flirty.
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So we get here in this video and the response in the comments what happene when you respond to something, but its really not an informed response. While its true that Kaballah was not a mysticism of Jesus's time, there were mysticisms and those mysticisms are not represented in the christian bible.
I cannot deal with everything wrong with this response video but let me just hit an area of which I have at least a little more expertise.
When we refer to mysticism we open, in the context of first century christianity, a whole pandora's box of notions, blending, etc. What we really want to know is what flowed out of earliest cristianity versus what flowed in, and even that simple dichotomy is a headache to solve. An excellent example is the christian thinker Augustine. Augustine converted from the manicheans, which was in part born out of Alcaesites, which was a part of the Jewish "christian" diaspora. So that we can see here that Early "the way of the light" thinking flowed into gnostism along with middle platonism and other jewish protognostic thought and then this flows into manicheaism along with Zoroastrian, hindu, buddhist and greek thought and then this flows back into christianity. Each group is parsing, curating and excluding ideas. When, as a mystic, one sees the plethora of that process one is better informed and less likely to venture down 'snake ridden rabbit holes'. The mystical evolution of christianity never stopped as one perfect modern example is Joseph Smith II?
So no Kaballah in Christian development, no 1300 page mystical guide books, but there might as well have been. Though lacking a centralized complexity christian mysticism had a diffuse, interlayered and interlinked complexity.
The radiant mystical ways of the Jesus followers is perhaps one of the better evidences of his existence, but its not a testimony for what Jesus believed. The reason it isnt can be defined by Elaine Pagels. That although Jesus was preaching in a Jewish context, he simultaneously promoting the release from Jewish formalism of the major sects. His disciples modified what he taught and taught others, including non-Jews and before long we had a dozens of mystical messianic beliefs.
And so we need to deal with evidence, and if we ignore what Mark adds to the synoptic and accept Johannians 2nd and 3rd layers is anti-semietic, then we can shut down a couple of paths backwards. This leaves Q, which is not very mystical, and Secret Sayings, by and large late second century. But it does leave one kernal. The "seek, find, marvel, empower, rest" and its variations are one of the more attested sayings. However this notion is more eastern mediterranean than neareastern. So despite the gospels stated polemic of Jesus against gentiles, they are dabbling in western mysticism. What they are dabbling in we dont know, and we shouldnt pretend we do. The book of Jude is dabbling in enochian mysteries, but in my opinion this is post revolt and second peter follows. The apocrypha of John, as Tabor puts it, looks like it was originally a Jewish polemic against Neros Empire, but is later repurposed for christian purposes during the time of Domitian. So while we can see that this author has Merkavah mystical elements, it may have not been used in any pre-revolt christian context. Indeed, while the gospels are seeped in Danielic ideas about apocalypse there are no specific references leading one to believe that these thoughts were in the air at the time. Again the Epistles of John appear to be tied to the Author of the third layer. And so most of the new testament points away from the mystical beliefs of the people of "the way of light".
The Dead Sea scrolls seem to be more informative, but in contrast to Elaine Pagels argument, the mysticism is surrounded by strict formalisms. But there are some conceptual precedences we can and should borrow from them and throw them into the basket of his followers. Jesus, it needs to be stated, did not start a religion; what he did do is emphasize some ideas in the space of belief ideas.
So this leaves Paul and Acts. Paul reveals that he had an epiphany and after discussing with a follower he went into the Aravah for 3 years, he doesnt say what he did in this passage, but we can understand that he likely was trying to practice as a desert mystic. Desert mysticism wasnt uncommon for Jews and Christians, and its likely that some groups that merged to form gnosticism were Jewish mystics in Aravah, Tenma, and Egypt. There is at least one famous 7th century mystic who founded a major world religion.
While we can attempt to read more mystic complexity into this, we need to actually scrape anything from the second century off the argument, given that by the second century christianity is engaging mystical believes that span 3000+ miles.
And so to extend this we look at two specific individuals, Paul and Peter.
Lets deal with Peter's first. In Acts 10 peter is sojourning, i believe to Jappa, and he reaches the house of another Peter, he goes to the Sea, bathes, then before eating, he retires to the roof of the house and prays. There he has a visual manifestation. This practice can be thought of as a kind of ritual magick as some desert mystics might use. It is known from other texts that Peter liked to bathe, so it would appear that bathing was part of his prayer ritual. We don't learn much of the strain of mysticism from the vision, and given its Acts of the Apostles, we probably should not trust its interpretation. But we do know that Peter was motivated to teach "the way" to the gentile followers who wanted to know, this according to Paul's scolding him for his behavioral shift when Yakov's watchers are present.
And so now we have Paul. Much of Pauls mysticism teaching comes from 2 cor 12, again we need to first examine this that in some kind of hetero-Jewish teaching Paul learns some secrets concerning Hekhalot (Throne/Palace) mysticism, that he is told not to tell of this out of penalty of death. Paul is using this secret knowledge to promote himself as a worthy apostle to the Corinthians, but in the process of the revelation he has to dress up as "I once knew a man" which, Paul hardly esoteric to begin with very definitely exoteric in his mysticism. But it does appear that Paul does learn this after his epiphany and so likely his teacher was an Jesus following esoteric mystic of the Hekhalot. Its not a definition but a vector, it points closer to Yeshu[a] of Natzrat [Nazara] than anything else we have on the putative mystic.
So now we need to discuss Ezekiel and Eastern mysticism, which is really the earliest western mysticism. Ezekiel is born in Judea at a time where the post Samarian Judean kings were trying to scrub polytheism from their beliefs. But still there were persistent beliefs in 'l, **, the canaanite version of il ilu, dingir Anu, the originally urukian sky god. Ezekiel has that gods name in his name. The cities of legacy Israel have the mesopotamian gods in their names: Anath, Shamesh, Lahmi, El. Astarte is indirectly refered to in Genesis (Judah and Tamar), and of course there are substrate gods, Athirath, Hadad, Hamon, Gad, Yam, Mot, etc. And we know from Jeremiah, a contemporary of Ezekiel, that people are still holding onto their old gods.
And so we find ourselves in 6th century BCE Mesopotamia, the land of the old gods, and every city had its special theogeny, foundation story, and favored gods. On top of this we have a resurrected Babylon who promoted Marduk, a 23rd century BCE upstart, and the Supreme god Asshur has been killed, dead. The Medes have wiped them out, their towns leveled to the ground. Ezekiel is on a bank of a canal outside of Larsa, A good day or two walk away are all the settlements of the Uruk culture, the founder of civilization itself. Uruk the origin of An/El, Ur the home of legendary Abram, Bad Tibera the home of Tammuz, Eridu the home of Abzu, "Tiamat", Ea (who i think is primitive Yah), and Nammu (creation god[dess]). He's not in Babylon, the place of exile, but traveling around, learning.
And so Ezekiel must have been impressed about the clarity of beliefs in gods and heaven, and the great antiquity of places. The book is largely a mystical expression in which the progenitors of both Merkavah (Chariot) and Hekhalot(throne/palace) mysticism appears. Tammuz appears in his vision. Not to mention certain dangly bits.
And so we need to understand the nature of the throne and the context of power it signifies. Uruk was the throne, at least the idea that sumer could project its enterprises out in to the uncivilized world to extract value and return it to Sumer to be refined. In order for the city states to collaborate to get all the things they did not have, they needed a principle, and An was that principle, its priest essentially dispute moderators and organizers of colonization. As the civilization grew so did the pyramid of divine beings, always with An on the heavenly throne in the celestial sky, heaven. Below him his sons, and gradsons, then lessor gods, the priests and great kings, the peoples and beliw that the underworld. Ezekials throne is the place he puts his dying god on top, he creates a chariot with wheels pointing all directions so his god can travel, as long as Y--H followers believed, so must he move to support them. With his wheels maybe the fate of Asshur can be averted. Ezekial then forcasts the rebuilding of the high shrine to his god, higher than any of the mesopotamian ziggurats, Jerusalem the city on mt. Mariah.
We also need to look at one other god to understand what drives Ezekiel. Ea is the Arch god of secret wisdom, trickery and magic. Mysticism is no stranger to members of his cult. He sends his cultic members far and wide, and in secret. His Apkallu are a prototype to Jonah, the come from the mediteranean and red sea, these sages of great kings. Bethlehem = House of the Garduan of Enki (Lahmi). Marduk tries to usurp the power of Ea, but his influences by this time are great, because by the 6th century sages of Enki now come in many flavors, including Yehudite flavors. And Ezekiel is one of these sages. His role is to come forth, from the waters (Canal Symbolism, Mikvah Symbolism), to instruct kings what they must do, women wiping Tammuz's tears from their eyes and restore the kingdom.
And so we know a little bit about Jewish mysticism that probably was flowing into earliest christian mystics. Its not much, but these mysticisms also flowed indirectly later into the Kabbalah.
For a good discourse of Jewish Mysticism I recommend Justin Sledge's video series on the matter over at Esoterica. Dr. Angela Puca does a fair amount of study defining the techniques of mysticism and various types of mysticism in the modern context, but the generalized rules equally apply to ancient mystics over at Angela's Symposium. Dr. James Tabor takes a deep dive into Pauls trip to paradise on his channel he also examines the apocalyptic literature from its Hebrew roots to modern day, which i also recommend.
For resources dealing with mesopotamia there is Digital Hammurabi, the Lewis and Clark [Bowen] of historical religious exploration on You Tube.
And so answer, what kind of mystic was Jesus? Essene, Kaballah, Hekhalot, Merkabal? He was a maverick, not particularly fitting any train of belief, with eastern mediterranean motifs, mesopotamian motifs, and derivative motifs all poorly defined. He was not Gnostic (Borbello), Kaballah, Essene, Pharisetic or otherwise.
The famous physicist Leonardo Suskind says about an electron question, is it a wave or a particle? its a disturbance of its own (electron) field.
Likewise Yeshu of Nazara was a mystical disturbance of the field of mysticism/belief in which he lived and the perturburations rippled disturbances away from himself and into the civilized world that lasted for millenium. This is how we should understand Jesus, a perturbation of belief systems.
The Jesus of the Gospels was whatever his literary creators required him to be in order to get their message across. Evidently, they saw no need to present him as an Essene from the ‘Qumran Valley' - a characterization which would, doubtless, had had little meaning to their Greek speaking audiences.
One problem. Dan thinks that Nazareth existed based on gospels and Acts that were written around 80AD. That's just not viable evidence for a city that supposedly existed before the Common Era with no other references.
You’re not aware of the data because of the CONSPIRACY man, the cover-up was SUCCESSFUL
Dude needs more learning and less roids.
The church fathers assert that the Essenes originated the Christian religion. Modern day clerics vehemently deny this fact. Christian writers said quite clearly that Essenism and Christianity were the same religion, the former name being used at an earlier period. Eusebius, a standard ecclesiastical writer of the fourth century, asserts in his History of the Church:
*"Those ancient Therapeuts (Essenes) were Christians, and their ancient writings were our gospels."* - Eusebius
In Matthew 18:17, Jesus clearly says, "tell it to the church" before Christians claim there was a church. The Essenes, held assemblies and congregations, which are words translated as church.
The Essenes had not only churches, but bishops, deacons, elders, priests, disciples, scriptures, gospels, epistles, psalms, hymns, mystery, allegory, and so on, long before Christianity. Christ and his apostles had nothing to originate, either with respect to doctrines, precepts, church polity, or ecclesiastical terms-all being established for them long before. The Essenes and Christians could not have existed at the same time as separate institutions-they were too similar. The latter must have emerged from the former.
Josephus says, the Essenes were scattered far and wide, and were in every city, being quite numerous in Judaea in his time, but he makes no reference to any sect or religious order by the title of Christian.
He and the other classic writers tell us the Essenes had a high appreciation of the inspired law of God, an apparent difference from Christianity explained by the transfer of Essenism to gentiles. The highest aim of their lives was to become fit temples of the Holy Ghost (1 Cor 6:19), to perform cures especially spiritual cures and to be spiritually qualified as forerunners of the Messiah. They strove to be like the angels of heaven. They taught the duty of mortifying the flesh and the lusts thereof. They avoided impure contact with the heathen and the world's people and lived apart from the world, being in numbers about four thousand. There were no rich and poor or masters and servants amongst them.
Total silence was observed while eating. A solemn oath was required on becoming a member of the secret order, after which they scrupulously avoided oaths.
The scroll fragments prove to be messianic, make use of the same frequent scriptural quotations used in the New Testament books, have similar concepts of Righteousness, Piety, Truth, Justification, Works, the Poor, the Meek and use similar vocabulary. The Hebrew word "hesed" in the Qumran fragments is translated by traditional Qumran scholars as "Piety" but it can also be rendered as "Grace" which is the translation used in Paul's epistles. Scroll words are Christian words.
Finally they took a solemn vow to exercise piety toward God and justice toward all men, to renounce the wicked, assist the good to keep clear of theft and unrighteous gains, to conceal none of their mysteries of godliness from each other, or disclose them to others. They were to walk humbly with God, shun bad society, forgive their enemies, sacrifice their passions, and crucify the lusts of the flesh. They disregarded bodily suffering and even gloried in martyrdom, preaching and singing to God amid their sufferings. They wore their clothes until they became ragged. Their food consisted of bread and water, and wild roots and fruits of the palm tree. They enjoined their duty, not only of forgiving their enemies, but of seeking to benefit them, and of even blessing the destroyer who took life and property. Such was the religion, such the moral system, such the devout piety and such the practical lives of the Essenes, a religious sect which flourished in Alexandria and Judaea before the birth of Christ and was replaced in history by Christianity.
Excerpts from: "The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies" website
I mean, there's an argument to be made that Peter and co. were possibly former Essene's that started their own fringe cult. Or possibly they were from a similar, unknown sect.
But if you're going to use the gospels to tell you anything reliable about Jesus, I've got a bridge to sell ya. It just so happens that it connects Nazareth with the Qumran site.
I think they were just normal Jews and didn't belong to any sect. Maybe they viewed the Pharisees as their authority and that's it.
@@germanboy14the argument I've heard is that even though the Essenes existed at the same time as the Pharisees and Sadducees, none of the gospels mention the Essenes. So possibly the gospels were written from the perspective of the one of the Essene groups -- there's no reason to mention the Essenes if you _are_ the Essenes.
@schen In my opinion the authors were Gentiles and by the time the gospels were written the Essenes didn't play a role anymore.
Steve Mason (Canadian historian of Judea in the Graeco-Roman period, best known for his studies of Josephus and early Christian writings.) makes a good case that Jesus was a follower of John the Baptist and after John was killed by Herod he started his own ministry. He also notes that Qumran being a Essenes site is a conclusion scholars jumped at without having actual supporting evidence. Might have been other Jewish communities.
IIRC I heard from Dale B. Martin that Jesus, the historical Jesus not the character of the gospels, might have been a pharisee originally because his ideology aligned more with them than with the Essenes.
Anyway very difficult to get an accurate picture of history when we have so little info to go by and we must rely a lot on interpretation and inference.
@@schen7913there are claims that John the Baptist was an Essene though that word is not used in Scripture.
OK, I agree that the person you are reviewing is, at best, very misinformed. However, just what have you got for the existence of Nazareth in the 1st century CE other than "because the Bible tells me so"? From my own, admittedly amateur, research the evidence for a 1st century CE Nazareth is both skimpy and more than a little questionable.
This dude should spend less time at the gym and more time in a book 😅
There were several major players in Israelite society: Nazarites, Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes, Zealots & *"Essenes."* Jesus was not of the first five. According to the visions of the Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerick. The grandparents of St Anne were *"Essene."* as was John the Baptist. The Essene's practiced a form of Gnosticism who's records were lost after 70 AD. and differed from that which came afterwards. Therefore I say that despite your attempt to seem knowledgeable on the subject, you are *NOT* and are not alone in this
Interesting of which sect was jesus part of ?
The Essenes practiced a frequent water cleansing ritual. John the Baptist (JTB) was therefore probably one of them and Jesus bowed to him. While JTB however was a stickler for the letter of the law, Jesus believed more in the spirit of the law. The Bishop's mitre symbolizes the flame of the Holy Spirit but also the 2 horns of the Bible; the letter of the law in the OT & spirit of the law in the NT. The combination of which send frights thru the demons.
The frequent water cleansing ritual evolved into Baptism, the Holy water font at the back of the church & use of holy water for blessing
Yes he studied most years with them
Let’s all belive In Bible 😂Roman’s pagans put together
Blah. Not useful. None of these variations on the fable are particularly dangerous thought
YOU ARE ALL SO FUNNY REALLY ,AS YOU ALL CLAIM TO KNOW SO MUCH FROM BOOKS📖 THEN EVERYONE LISTENS? WHEN ALL ALONG THE WHOLE TRUTH IS AVAILABLE VIA HIS FAMILY ,WHO ARE HERE WITH YOU ,BUT NO ONE HAS EYES TO SEE & EARS TO HEAR🕊️🤍🌹. HELLO ALL BARBELO OF THE GODHEAD FAMILY
"They taught that there were eight heavens, each under a separate archon. In the seventh reigned a figure variously called Yaldabaoth or Sabaoth, creator of heaven and earth, the God of the Jews, represented by some Borborites under the form of an ass or a hog; hence the Jewish prohibition of swine's flesh. In the eighth heaven reigned Barbelo, the mother of the living; the Father of All, the supreme God; and Jesus Christ. They denied that Christ was born of Mary, or had a real body, defending instead docetism; and also denied the resurrection of the body. The human soul after death wanders through the seven heavens, until it obtains rest with Barbelo. Man possesses a soul in common with plants and beasts."
The Evolution of Sethianism according to Turner:
"Phase 1. According to Turner, two different groups, existing before the 2nd century CE, formed the basis for the Sethians: a Jewish group of possibly priestly lineage, the so-called Barbeloites, named after Barbelo, the first emanation of the Highest God, and a group of Biblical exegetes, the Sethites, the "seed of Seth".
Phase 2. The Barbeloites were a baptizing group that in the mid-2nd century fused with Christian baptizing groups. They started to view the pre-existing Christ as the "self-generated (Autogenes) Son of Barbelo", who was "anointed with the Invisible Spirit's 'Christhood'". According to Turner, this "same anointing [was] received by the Barbeloites in their baptismal rite by which they were assimilated to the archetypal Son of Man." The earthly Jesus was regarded as the guise of Barbelo, appearing as the Divine Logos, and receiving Christhood when he was baptized.
Phase 3. In the later 2nd century CE, the Christianized Barbeloites fused with the Sethites, together forming the Gnostic Sethianists. Seth and Christ were identified as bearers of "the true image of God who had recently appeared in the world as the Logos to rescue Jesus from the cross."
Phase 4. At the end of the 2nd century, Sethianism grew apart from the developing Christian orthodoxy, which rejected the Docetian view of the Sethians on Christ.
Phase 5. In the early 3rd century, Sethianism was fully rejected by Christian heresiologists, and Sethianism shifted toward the contemplative practices of Platonism, while losing their interest in their own origins.
Phase 6. In the late 3rd century, Sethianism was attacked by neo-Platonists like Plotinus, and Sethianism alienated from Platonism. In the early to mid-4th century, Sethianism fragmented into various sectarian Gnostic groups, like the Archontics, Audians, Borborites, and Phibionites. Some of these groups existed into the Middle Ages."
You should school yourself in mysticism. #1 Rule of esoteric mysticism: keep your mouth shut about the scrambled eggs stirring around your head as a result of practice. #2 Rule, study and reflect in private about the origin of rituals you engage in.
@@Darisiabgal7573 hello my love , I'm not sure why you sent this information,as you are simply reading from literature? Also it is rather rude at the end saying about shutting ones mouth?,if I'm correct you are intrigued by yeshi & daddy (yeshua & Yahweh) therefore why do you feel it appropriate to be rude to them via myself, as I said my name ,our family name ,so you speak rudely to us ?..... The sadness is for you ,that you had the opportunity (listed on other comments)to actually speak to myself & therefore learn something not in any book 📖 here 🌎 ,when your time comes to pass over ,you will then be aware ,not only that you blew away one of the greatest opportunities given to any soul here 🌎 but that you were also insulting to your creators partner....this is my joy , remember it my love ...for I am she Ashera (barbelo of the Godhead) here for a short while at his will......you had the chance to know something real of your creator but instead you chose ONE OF HIS BOOKS to quote me,then insulted his wife on his planet 🌎...... blessings... Baba Christ 🕊️🤍
@@Darisiabgal7573 MY APOLOGIES I PRESSUMED YOU TO BE THE PRESENTER BUT YOU SIMPLY ARE JUST A VIEWER RUDE & IGNORANT OF WHO I AM .....I OFFER NO SYMPATHY TO YOU........🕊️🤍
@@BABACHRISTOS What I am saying to you is that unless you want to fall into the exoteric delusions of other past mystics, its better to close ones mouth and reflect on what your saying. While you might think it important to express your ideas, as Paul did, people read his letters but no christian actually believes his theology. Stop, think, understand.
I am a mystic, Ive had thousands of visions, i have been all the places other mystics describe, and what I learned is that what feels tangible in a religious sense is profane (As described in Acts 10) and what is not profane is also not magestic.
Look up the text Mirro of the Soul. The look up the author after you read the text.
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