You are 100% correct. They are destroying the ambiance of the park and is no longer going to be a place you want to visit. These changes will increase churn, where people visit the park and then never go back.
I have a question and I’m being serious. I would really like to know please, is still respecting an absolutely loving the Disney Classics, especially the ones from the 30s and so on, but absolutely hating the live actions and what Disney is to become now does that count as having a toxic positivity problem, I hope not someone please let me know.
I have a wonderful memory from Tom Sawyer Island. After trying to ride all attractions, staying long hours in line, me and my family went on board the boat to the island. While there I started to calculate how much time we were wasting there. I started to call everybody to go back. Then, my little son taught me a real lesson about the meaning of quality time with family. He asked to stay a little longer on the checkers board printed in one of the tables we had found there. He didn't want to be bored in a queue. He wanted to play and checkers was the best chance we had at that time. It was a great opportunity to get away from all the stress and cool down.
It can be hard to resist the dollar-per-minute calculation and wanting to maximize it by hitting all the big e-ticket rides, but that doesn't make for a very enjoyable vacation.
@@DeadmanInc336 or some people are very easily pleased by shiny new things and lack the critical/analytical thinking skills to determine why said new things aren't also necessarily good things.
@@DeadmanInc336 I'm impressed, and dude's right. There is a pro-new things, anti-old things bias. I deal with it all the time on this channel, which is primarily focused on old things and complaining when old things are "reimagined" and "updated." There is also the whole "I clapped when I saw it" problem where people just like to see an IP they recognize regardless of the quality of how that IP was included. The ultimate reality is that the average consumer isn't a thoughtful, creative type of person. Creative people shouldn't be trying to go down to their level and only doing the minimum necessary to make those people clap... Unfortunately modern Disney looks at the equation and says to themselves that if people will clap just as readily for a cheap and lazy thing they recognize as a time-and-labour-intensive creative thing, why do the extra work? Disney is run by people who are the opposite of Walt.
I've got a theme park channel and I focus on "what was", because "what is" no longer interest me. Those who like the current direction, great. Those who don't, great. But let's be civil.
"Toxic Positivity" is an interesting term, and I think it is perfect in many more uses than just Disney fans. Appreciate your video, thanks for taking the time to make it
NGL, but disney is what made me a fan of theme parks in the first place. But the competition between them and universal had made me realize how toxic the theme park competition has gotten in florida. Which is sadly another reason for me to leave Florida in 3 years, because at least when it comes to amusement parks in Connecticut, the competition there is probably less hostile and more passive than this
Disney is slowly turning into Universal. But I can argue that now Universal is slowly turning into old Disney, Example with Epic Universe. "Bring the park back to theme park". Disney however is taking that away. This is an excellent video essay! Great job, and I hope it gets many views and more people are able to open their eyes.
Disney parks used to have a depth and an atmosphere that was unlike anywhere else. The overall experience has kept me coming back for decades, but now so much of that is continuing to disappear to the point that it is less appealing to me than ever. It’s never been just about the rides and shows. Current management doesn’t seem to understand that, so my lifelong fondness for Disney is essentially gone.
What this year's D23 hammered home for me was the fact that for all the sequels and updates they announced, no one who was part of the the things we love is around any more. Disney is just a bank leveraging its assets. Getting enthusiastic about Disney now is getting excited about a loaf of white bread on a grocery store shelf.
The whole notion of the “Disney adult” has made it easy to move on as well. I can’t stand that term and whoever came up with it. I saw someone tweet this and it’s perfect: “There’s a difference between Disney adults and adults that enjoy Disney.”
I think most of the time it's just making fun of people who like Disney. And it feels exploitative for UA-camrs to do that instead of solving issues for a fandom that they aren't apart of.
I’ve been called racist because I objected to what I call abomination aerial, and snow not white and it’s not only because the characters clearly don’t look the way they’re supposed to look. They don’t sound the way they’re supposed to sound. They don’t act the way they’re supposed to act and yes, I can tell that from the snow White teaser trailer But if you say anything you get attacked by these people because according to them, you’re supposed to love everything that Disney gives you when you’re not supposed to ask questions.
@@Leamichellefan2244 I enjoy just turning it back on them. Taking a German fairy tale and trying to Americanize it is racism and cultural imperialism 😀
@@MonsterKidCory you’re not wrong about that and I feel the same way about the little mermaid with it being a Danish fairytale at least in the animated versions. I really do feel like even though they made some changes to make it more kid friendly. I feel like the animated versions were far more respectful to the tales than the live action ones.
Well said. I feel like a lot of franchise holders and brands are doing and saying the same things that Disney is. It's like they're reciting Kylo Ren's line from The Last Jedi as a religious mantra, "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
I cannot understand companies being handed a gold mine of IP and goodwill and deliberately choosing to squander that. The System is run by actual idiots.
Main Street was made to be early 20th century and was nostalgic upon opening. Should we rip that out too because the American dream was a tool of the patriarchy and everyone was rãcist then? The double standards are insane. Also, rides like jungle cruise and the Tom Sawyer island over time have developed their own ecosystems naturally and now they are going to destroy it which is kind of disgusting imo
I think the element of emotional investment is a very good point that I don't think some folks appreciate. On the one hand I never went to Disneyland or World myself, but I have tried to point this out about the films. The it's new so ir has to be better mentality seems not to comprehend the idea of three generations having grown uo watching the same film as a shared legacy. Novelty has it's place, but when folks come down on families and friends with something that they shared, it shows that they are missing how that long term investment is built in the first place. Sorry I am rambling, but thank you for hitting one of the big points that I feel some are missing.
I honestly can't understand how toxically positive Disney fans don't get it either. They're so quick to just download the new marketing from the company and flick the switch in their brains which says that, actually, Snow White really WAS a shit movie and Tom Swayer Island really WAS crap this whole time, even when I liked them before! Beep boop awaiting new programming 🤖 The only way I can comprehend it is that they don't actually love any particular THINGS made by the company, but just the company itself. They would be happy to raze the entirety of Disneyland to the ground if the company said so, and then tell us that Walt would have wanted it that way because Disneyland will never be completed don'tcha' know?
I so agree with yah. Having all these IP things and nothing to just get away from the lines and E ticket attractions is what I feel is gonna kill it for me. I loved riding the Mark Twain and the Columbia pirate ship. All people are wanting now are IP everything and nothing else. It’s gonna wear down guests and they won’t come back.
Yeah I largely agree with this. The magic of Disney is the emotional connection, and just shuffling IPs around doesn’t make that connection. What a shame.
I am 1000% with you. I’m a Disney collector, but have been so turned off by Disney and Disney fans lately, that I want to sell off the bulk of my collection. It has nothing to do with Disney being “woke” (I’m a progressive), but it has everything to do with quality, direction, and just not being able to collect with what Disney is doing. Those toxic Disney fans are mouse-pilled.
I love parts of Disney, but I cannot see why someone would pay to go to D23 when it is essentially an advertisement. Like why are people clapping for a press release 😂
Same. Why pay so much money to hear news from the Disney company that you’ll find out online the next day, if not sooner? I’m curious to know the ratio of Disney influencers vs non influencers that attended the D23.
I could see going for the lower key stuff, like the Disney Archives exhibits and things like that. But then I'm pretty indifferent to celebrities, so I've never understood that part of convention life.
I relate to what you are saying. I am so disappointed in the Disney organization these days. Concrete, fiberglass and unrelenting crowds. I can't bring myself to go back. I go to Knott's Berry Farm instead, even Knott's isn't what it used to be, but they still have the Ghost Town, railroad, Calico Mine and Independence Hall etc... On our last visit to Knotts we decided to go visit downtown Disney that evening and I couldn't do it. We went back to our accommodations. Downtown Disney had this atmosphere that you described. I was too annoyed to stay.
This was a really well stated and profound - and I think true - fact about how people view Magic Kingdom. The idea of the spaces between big attractions. Well done!
Excellent perspective on Disney shills and the state of the company. The only thing which I truly disagree with you on is that I do think Pixar has its place in the parks when implemented properly. Ironically enough, I think Cars Land at DCA is the best example of that and feel what’s being planed for the RoA flies directly in the face of that film’s message about slowing down and appreciating the simple things in life that are often overlooked by others. It’s a travesty on multiple levels and the company needs to start listening to the majority of actual fans rather than these shills if they don’t want to lose everything eventually.
I'd agree that Cars Land is well done, but I can't shake the fact that it's a representation of Route 66 as it is today in its largely dilapidated state. If one wants that, they can just do Route 66!
@@MonsterKidCory Fair enough, but I can easily see the land being able to inspire people to actually make that trip down Route 66 in the same way the RoA inspired you to get into Mark Twain. That’s certainly more than what can be said for most other IP integrations in the Disney parks as of late.
@@rmrphy07 Yes! That’s exactly the point I was trying to make about the film’s message. Just goes to show modern Disney not only fails to understand the purpose and appeal of their parks, but of the IPs they’re currently planning on destroying them with as well. When you fail to grasp both ends of the equation like they do, it’s almost guaranteed that your products will fail to satisfy consumers on the level needed to justify your financial investment into them.
The whole central corridor - Celestial Park - is free of IP and just creates a sense of place with beautiful landscaping, pathways and water features in all directions. It's the kind of thing Disney USED to do (exemplified by TSI and the Rivers, and a number of spots throughout Epcot (some present, some past, sadly). It seems like there's been enough of a significant talent drain from WDI to Universal Creative, that as an entity, maybe the latter "gets it" better now.
I can't wait for Epic Universe. It looks like early Eisner and Wells detailed of theme park design. Disney is basically Comcast/Universal to build Epic Universe from their 1/3 purchase of Hulu from Comcast.
These are the same people that told me to stay home when I said taking away free Disability Access Pass for physically disabled people, many who will legit faint or have an attack in the standby, was a horrible idea. Course they also told me to buy Genie+ which is exactly why Disney gutted Das to force legitamitly disabled people to buy fast pass. So yeah I’m not playing Disney’s game, I’m voting with my dollar. These people are soooo up Disney’s butt they’ll take whatever slop they’re given and if anyone has a problem with Disney, they’ll tear them apart. Disney fans are so elitist and brainwashed thinking they’re super special for having an annual pass. If you don’t agree they will get so nasty. I wasn’t even complaining about Tiana’s cause thats small potatos compared to disabled people getting denied basic accommodations that help them navigate the park safely. Das isn’t a line skip! You wait the same amount as standby outside the line then you go into the lightning lane, so if anything we’re waiting longer. I’m strongly against paving rivers of America because while I have some fond memories with the Liberty bell, I’m mostly concerned about how this will increase the heat and noise in the park. Yknow cause A LOT of disabled people have conditions that are made worse by the heat. Also lots of people need a quieter space to unwind and destress like elders and people with sensory issues. I’m just glad I’m choosing to go to universal instead these days. They’re much more accommodating to disabled people compared to Disney and they still care about art and theming. Funny how by defending Disney and telling every critic to leave, they’re giving more people reasons to go to competing parks like Universal.
Passholes: "Just don't go then, you disabled freaks! Only ubermenschen allowed in our parks!" Normal people: "Okay, I won't go then 🤷" Passholes: "How DARE YOU, you elitist entitled snobs!! 😱"
@@MonsterKidCory Well no one has had the gull to call me a freak, but they will call me entitled and say if I want equality I should wait in line like everyone else. Like I get some able body people abused the system and that upsets people. Disney could have nipped that by doing what universal does and requiring medical documentation. But no these people will acknowledge I have a disability and STILL say I should wait in line or buy lightning lane. They will tell me “you shouldn’t burden people with your disability” which WOW that is insanely offensive for so many reasons. I’ve tried asking bigger Disney news channels to keep covering the das situation but they don’t care. They don’t want to risk losing the media pass, but also I fear deep down they approve of the changes thinking it’ll benefit them. I hate the people who think Disney sucks solely because it’s woke and DEI, they are super annoying, but they are somehow more respectful to a disabled person like me. This is the insane world I live in.
I can see why people are annoyed about the cars land taking over frontier land i honestly think coco would have made more sense they could have even turned tom Sawyer Island into a border town and used the unused land in the area for the coco land pleasing everyone
Coco would have tucked nicely into that transition from Adventureland to Frontierland, where it has more of a Spanish flavour. They're even putting a Coco ride in California Adventure anyway, apparently, so it wouldn't take much to clone it to WDW.
I don't believe anything I hear at D23 anymore, to me D23 is "kind of a scam" that now has become a problem for them. They bill it as a "fan event" but it's more just a way to sell tickets to something that's basically a press conference, or like "market research". They make these announcements to see how people react to them, and then a large percentage of this stuff never happens anyway, when people freak out about it online. They didn't even want people filming this parks event, that's how little faith they have in the stuff they're announcing... To me this clash of "people hating it" and this "toxic positivity" just equals that Cars is a "NO GO" at Frontierland, because they'd have to be crazy to go through with it. Tom Sawyer Island is one of these older things that's not ADA compliant, like the Swiss Family Tree House, and The Rivers of America is so full of snakes and alligators, I can understand them "thinking about" how to change that area, but again, they'd have to be crazy to put the Cars thing there after the online reaction to it
One can hope! It is true that they didn't end up doing 90% of the things they said they were going to do in Epcot a few years ago. Most of the concept art they showed was clearly AI generated...
@@MonsterKidCory There's another D23 in Brazil in November and I think something else at Walt Disney World next year too... so they've got plenty of chance to change their minds again🤣
Brilliant video. If I wanted to go on thrill rides alone I'd go to Six Flags. Those places are great too, and serve a purpose. But I go to Disney parks because of the immersive emotional reaction I have when I go there. I remember when I actually got to pilot the Mark Twain with my wife and that is by far one of my most favorite experiences ever in the park. I still have my pilots license framed in my office. It's these kinds of experiences that people enjoy about the parks. Every time the remove that nostalgia in favor of some new ride they are ruining that. It's sad that the current executives at Disney just can't understand that.
I have a pilot's license too! Not just riding the Mark Twain, but even being able to "drive" it is one of those unsung things that really makes a Disney trip special.
I really want to visit WDW someday but test track is closed and I’m an Epcot fan. As much as I love cars and enjoyed carsland at Disneyland (my home park), they could easily put it behind rivers of America just like Galaxy edge in California. But I also find it weird how people say they don’t like ips when epic universe is getting praise and it’s not original themes. I find it odd how they’re getting a 3rd Harry Potter land in the same state.
Yep... And not only is Epic Universe almost all IP - except for the central hub area - but they can't even get that IP right, as per my numerous videos criticizing their treatment of the classic monsters.
The only thing I am interested in that came out of the D24 is Zootopia 2 mainly because it would be interesting expanding that world and introduced evolved reptiles and their relation to the mammals
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video. It’s been downright disturbing to me to see the toxic positivity fans actively bullying people who dare need to grieve the loss of something they cared about, and brought them joy. That’s just human nature, and there’s no changing it no matter how many times you throw up that quote about the parks always changing. Splash Mountain was also my favorite ride, and not being able to fully grieve its loss due to this mentality has been exhausting. Going through it again with ROA/TSI has also made me stop being a fan. And the “go somewhere else!” Mindset boggles my mind, because pushing longtime customers away… seems like a terrible plan for business.
I'm seeing that same thing from the other side. 'If you like this new thing, you're not a real theme park fan and don't know what immersion is" Everyone can just shutup and let Disney do what they're going to do anyway
with any luck, epic universe will be the thing that finally kicks Disney’s backside and forces them to go back to the roots when it comes to the theme parks🤞🙏
The Avatarland at Animal Kingdom is so bizarre, because there’s no Na’vi, just a bunch of people (colonizers basically) and very small pictures of when they did have some in their opening ceremony in the cafe
I actually got in a small online spat with Joe Rhode about it 😆 I sassed about why not bring Mysterious Island from Tokyo if they're going to have Avatarland in there, and he proceeded to give me the song and dance about how Avatar was about nature. Dude, it's a CGI movie about downloading your consciousness into a body that comes equipped with built-in USB cables to attach to a global fibre-optic network... it's the least naturey nature movie ever 😆
You are of the top 1% of my target audience of my ideal Disney park. I think this is only the second video of yours that I've come across and I remember being in full agreement with you then as I am now.
I dont like all the IPs taking over the park. It used to be a good mix of more generic things and experiences but now theyre trying to tie an IP into everything. Like if i remember all the IPs were essentially in just fairytale land and that was it. Or even if they did have an IP it was very downplayed
Thank you! I picked up the sign from a local Disney fan market, but I got it because it was the perfect retroactive souvenir from when we actually DID go there in 2012 😃
14:02 - you get it! Why is it that most Canadians know more about American culture than most Americans? I love hearing about the American experience from a Canadian’s point of view since 75% of the time they are spot on.
That's okay... when I was a hot, young, queer Goth boi with amazing Robert Smith hair, judgmental @$$holes like you just shouted homophobic slurs at me. You're not the first to judge me by my appearance and you won't be the last.
Oh I originally thought you meant Disney movie fans. Which I’d say that franchise, Star Wars, and some Marvel fans that are bitter about like two movies are all very negative
E ticket after E ticket at the original Universal park maybe, but I don’t think the same could be said for Islands of Adventure. Islands of Adventure is better than Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom, and Epcot by far. Even looking at each parks “premier” attraction, which I would consider to be Hagrids and Rise of the Resistance, Hagrids is better now. A lot of people don’t talk about how the things that made Rise of the Resistance such an amazing experience during its opening aren’t as prevalent now. You get rushed through the entire experience you are supposed to be having, and then it’s up in the air what animatronics will and won’t work on the ride that day. The worst thing I remember seeing on Hagrids is fog effects not working from time to time. And when Epic Universe opens, Magic Kingdom itself will be an E ticket experience as it’s already becoming.
My opinion of Universal was inclusive of IOA... When we went to Universal during our trip to WDW, we were struck by the marked contrast in what there was (or wasn't) to do. We actually started getting bored of Universal and left early, because all there was to do were E-tickets, shopping, and playing with our wand. That contrast is what lit me onto the importance of A, B, C, and D-ticket attractions in adding variety and pacing out a day.
It's very strange, I feel like a lot of the vocal fans that resent the criticism are getting more and more defensive, but the thing that they're defending is an irrationally expensive downgrade to the experience that made for so many better memories. All of it pushes me further away from the parks I once enjoyed and make me more appreciative of places I visit that are still genuinely passionate about the experience instead of trying to be "trendy and popular"
Those attractions like you say gave like a nostalgic or even a unique flavor to Disneyland. And that's the problem without it what's the difference with Universal Studios? And if we talking about rides like Cars or 7 Dwarf Mine I prefer Harry potter rides. You go to Disney land and WDW to experiment the classic American park.
6:36 what’s happening to tower of terror????? No no no no that’s the last straw! whatttt??? it better at least be just a retheme if it’s gone I don’t think I can enjoy Disney anymore! Tower of terror was literally the staple for me. Is this why I couldn’t find the tot billboard this past summer?
They replaced the Tower of Terror at California Adventure with Guardians of the Galaxy... Tower of Terror got me into The Twilight Zone and was my only real reason for even going into California Adventure. When they replaced it, that was it for me for that park.
@@MonsterKidCory oh my gosh I didn’t know that cause unfortunately I’ve never been to Disneyland Cali but I’m relieved that you weren’t talking about wdw tho. Man I couldn’t imagine losing splash mountain AND tower of terror at the same time:(
I’m surprised about is your take on universal. Epic Universe is looking to be one of the most innovative theme parks ever made and it’s not just a glorified IP dump which someone could understandably describe the other two parks as( although I don’t really think that’s a bad thing) The first area in the land has no IP whatsoever and seems like exactly the sort of thing you would be into
3:32 I agree but I think you’re being too vague for anyone on the opposing opinion to hear you. I completely understand what you mean tho, putting ips like cars into a place like Frontierland completely undermines the integrity of the realism Walt Disney set out to create. Disney fans loved Disney because of the attention to detail and how everything in the park had a thread of a backstory that you could chase down thousands of rabbit holes and it still would all make perfect sense. The new imagineers think oh all they wanna do is ride the movie which is partially true but Walt Disneys theming goes much more in depth than anything they’ve done. I still haven’t completely given up, hopefully Disney will shoot themselves enough that someone who actually cares will come along and buy it and fix it. With that being said I will say the new guardians of the galaxy ride at wdw is by far my favorite ride they’ve ever built even tho my most recent trip as a whole was mostly a disappointment with the lack of authentic cast members that actually stay in character and the fact that anything educational or informational or had in integrity to the theming was dumbed down or simply didn’t make much sense. As a guy who went probably 5-6 times from the age of 13-20 with a single mother who was a school teacher supporting 3 kids I am deeply saddened by what has happened to Disney. To some that may be silly but to real Disney fans it was an idea that we all wish could touch the hearts of everyone and everything that exist. I’m not kidding I would’ve nominated Walt Disney for president of the United States if I could😭
As a parent I’m not even showing anything Disney to my child unless it’s from 2000s , just because I understand they tryna push an agenda on children with this woke ideology, and I feel like my son should’t be surrounded by that kind of stuff, and honestly schools to like my son only 2 but when he starts school I’m not gonna even send him to public just because I know in my heart he won’t have the same experience as I did and I don’t want them to brainwash my kid , I mean Minnesota is already putting tampons in boys school bathrooms , it’s scary world and as parent I gotta figure out what’s best for my kid
Anyone using the term "toxic" unironically has the emotional capacity of a 2 year old. But you are using it in a way of not trying to play victim so totally fine. But ya removing the river and putting cars IP right next to the line for Haunted Nansion is utterly stupid. I don't trust modern Disney to do anything right now. They have valued DEI over everything else, so the people who were hired and promoted are not the best people for the jobs. As such everything they do now is utter trash.
If you're a Walt Disney purist, Walt was forward thinking and a visionary that wanted things to continue to change, evolve, and be different. Just like Walt said, Disneyland will never be complete and I garuntee he would feel that way about wdw and all of the other parks around the world. I side with the visionary and not monday morning quarterbacks that think their feelings and/or opinion has to be abided by. People need to realize that the world does not revolve around them. I will always support the disney company forever!
Walt also said "I love the nostalgic myself. I hope we never lose some of the things of the past." Walt never acted just to change things for the sake of change, or to make them worse. Not every change is pre-approved by Walt simply because it's a change. And seriously... "I will always support the disney company forever!" What an embarrassing opinion. Nobody should support a corporation blindly. I like classic Disney. I'd like new Disney if it was any good. I don't support the company. The company has to earn my money.
You are 100% correct. They are destroying the ambiance of the park and is no longer going to be a place you want to visit. These changes will increase churn, where people visit the park and then never go back.
Look on the bright side: at least you can get a Disney-esque experience at a local comic convention or renaissance faire at a hundredth of the price
I have a question and I’m being serious. I would really like to know please, is still respecting an absolutely loving the Disney Classics, especially the ones from the 30s and so on, but absolutely hating the live actions and what Disney is to become now does that count as having a toxic positivity problem, I hope not someone please let me know.
I have a wonderful memory from Tom Sawyer Island. After trying to ride all attractions, staying long hours in line, me and my family went on board the boat to the island. While there I started to calculate how much time we were wasting there. I started to call everybody to go back. Then, my little son taught me a real lesson about the meaning of quality time with family. He asked to stay a little longer on the checkers board printed in one of the tables we had found there. He didn't want to be bored in a queue. He wanted to play and checkers was the best chance we had at that time. It was a great opportunity to get away from all the stress and cool down.
It can be hard to resist the dollar-per-minute calculation and wanting to maximize it by hitting all the big e-ticket rides, but that doesn't make for a very enjoyable vacation.
In the business, we call them, "corporate shills".
Or some people are just legitimately excited but don't have the energy to make bones about issues like this.
Reminds me of the unnecessary downfall of Sears. The Wall Street owners milked it dry.
@@DeadmanInc336 or some people are very easily pleased by shiny new things and lack the critical/analytical thinking skills to determine why said new things aren't also necessarily good things.
@@blakea.wittenberg5685 you say that like it's such an awful and horrendous thing. Who are you trying to impress with a comment like this?
@@DeadmanInc336 I'm impressed, and dude's right. There is a pro-new things, anti-old things bias. I deal with it all the time on this channel, which is primarily focused on old things and complaining when old things are "reimagined" and "updated." There is also the whole "I clapped when I saw it" problem where people just like to see an IP they recognize regardless of the quality of how that IP was included. The ultimate reality is that the average consumer isn't a thoughtful, creative type of person. Creative people shouldn't be trying to go down to their level and only doing the minimum necessary to make those people clap... Unfortunately modern Disney looks at the equation and says to themselves that if people will clap just as readily for a cheap and lazy thing they recognize as a time-and-labour-intensive creative thing, why do the extra work? Disney is run by people who are the opposite of Walt.
I've got a theme park channel and I focus on "what was", because "what is" no longer interest me. Those who like the current direction, great. Those who don't, great. But let's be civil.
good luck with that. people are pure evil now.
"Toxic Positivity" is an interesting term, and I think it is perfect in many more uses than just Disney fans. Appreciate your video, thanks for taking the time to make it
NGL, but disney is what made me a fan of theme parks in the first place. But the competition between them and universal had made me realize how toxic the theme park competition has gotten in florida. Which is sadly another reason for me to leave Florida in 3 years, because at least when it comes to amusement parks in Connecticut, the competition there is probably less hostile and more passive than this
Those toxic positivity fans have bullied me for liking It’s A Small World
Disney is slowly turning into Universal. But I can argue that now Universal is slowly turning into old Disney, Example with Epic Universe. "Bring the park back to theme park". Disney however is taking that away.
This is an excellent video essay! Great job, and I hope it gets many views and more people are able to open their eyes.
Disney parks used to have a depth and an atmosphere that was unlike anywhere else. The overall experience has kept me coming back for decades, but now so much of that is continuing to disappear to the point that it is less appealing to me than ever. It’s never been just about the rides and shows. Current management doesn’t seem to understand that, so my lifelong fondness for Disney is essentially gone.
Never in a million years would I have thought they'd get rid of Rivers of America and Tom Sawyers Island.....yet here we are 😢
They're turning Disneyland into Six Flags.
Also wtf, why not replace that awful Autopia attraction at Tomorrowland instead of putting cars next to Tiana??
What this year's D23 hammered home for me was the fact that for all the sequels and updates they announced, no one who was part of the the things we love is around any more. Disney is just a bank leveraging its assets. Getting enthusiastic about Disney now is getting excited about a loaf of white bread on a grocery store shelf.
The whole notion of the “Disney adult” has made it easy to move on as well. I can’t stand that term and whoever came up with it.
I saw someone tweet this and it’s perfect: “There’s a difference between Disney adults and adults that enjoy Disney.”
I think most of the time it's just making fun of people who like Disney. And it feels exploitative for UA-camrs to do that instead of solving issues for a fandom that they aren't apart of.
This video is criminally underrated! This should get 110k
Thank you!
I’ve been called racist because I objected to what I call abomination aerial, and snow not white and it’s not only because the characters clearly don’t look the way they’re supposed to look. They don’t sound the way they’re supposed to sound. They don’t act the way they’re supposed to act and yes, I can tell that from the snow White teaser trailer But if you say anything you get attacked by these people because according to them, you’re supposed to love everything that Disney gives you when you’re not supposed to ask questions.
@@Leamichellefan2244 I enjoy just turning it back on them. Taking a German fairy tale and trying to Americanize it is racism and cultural imperialism 😀
@@MonsterKidCory you’re not wrong about that and I feel the same way about the little mermaid with it being a Danish fairytale at least in the animated versions. I really do feel like even though they made some changes to make it more kid friendly. I feel like the animated versions were far more respectful to the tales than the live action ones.
Well said. I feel like a lot of franchise holders and brands are doing and saying the same things that Disney is. It's like they're reciting Kylo Ren's line from The Last Jedi as a religious mantra, "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
I cannot understand companies being handed a gold mine of IP and goodwill and deliberately choosing to squander that. The System is run by actual idiots.
@@MonsterKidCory There's no other explanation that makes sense other than yes, they're being run by idiots
Main Street was made to be early 20th century and was nostalgic upon opening. Should we rip that out too because the American dream was a tool of the patriarchy and everyone was rãcist then? The double standards are insane. Also, rides like jungle cruise and the Tom Sawyer island over time have developed their own ecosystems naturally and now they are going to destroy it which is kind of disgusting imo
It blows me away that the Jungle Cruise is an actual pocket-jungle ecosystem 🤯
I think the element of emotional investment is a very good point that I don't think some folks appreciate. On the one hand I never went to Disneyland or World myself, but I have tried to point this out about the films. The it's new so ir has to be better mentality seems not to comprehend the idea of three generations having grown uo watching the same film as a shared legacy. Novelty has it's place, but when folks come down on families and friends with something that they shared, it shows that they are missing how that long term investment is built in the first place. Sorry I am rambling, but thank you for hitting one of the big points that I feel some are missing.
I honestly can't understand how toxically positive Disney fans don't get it either. They're so quick to just download the new marketing from the company and flick the switch in their brains which says that, actually, Snow White really WAS a shit movie and Tom Swayer Island really WAS crap this whole time, even when I liked them before! Beep boop awaiting new programming 🤖 The only way I can comprehend it is that they don't actually love any particular THINGS made by the company, but just the company itself. They would be happy to raze the entirety of Disneyland to the ground if the company said so, and then tell us that Walt would have wanted it that way because Disneyland will never be completed don'tcha' know?
I so agree with yah. Having all these IP things and nothing to just get away from the lines and E ticket attractions is what I feel is gonna kill it for me. I loved riding the Mark Twain and the Columbia pirate ship. All people are wanting now are IP everything and nothing else. It’s gonna wear down guests and they won’t come back.
Finally! Someone who calls these creeps out!
Yeah I largely agree with this. The magic of Disney is the emotional connection, and just shuffling IPs around doesn’t make that connection. What a shame.
I am 1000% with you. I’m a Disney collector, but have been so turned off by Disney and Disney fans lately, that I want to sell off the bulk of my collection. It has nothing to do with Disney being “woke” (I’m a progressive), but it has everything to do with quality, direction, and just not being able to collect with what Disney is doing. Those toxic Disney fans are mouse-pilled.
I'm working hard mentally not to let the current company and its fans rob me of what I have loved about Disney in the past 🤞
@@MonsterKidCory yes, I’ve been trying to focus on the Disney I really loved - the Walt Era up through the Renaissance, especially.
PEOPLEMOVER is my favorite Disneyland ride. STILL....
NGL, the Peoplemover actually was my favourite ride in Tomorrowland at WDW 😆
I agree with everything you just said. I’ve been going to WDW since 1981… the decline in quality is jaw dropping.
I love parts of Disney, but I cannot see why someone would pay to go to D23 when it is essentially an advertisement. Like why are people clapping for a press release 😂
Same. Why pay so much money to hear news from the Disney company that you’ll find out online the next day, if not sooner?
I’m curious to know the ratio of Disney influencers vs non influencers that attended the D23.
I could see going for the lower key stuff, like the Disney Archives exhibits and things like that. But then I'm pretty indifferent to celebrities, so I've never understood that part of convention life.
They go filled with hope! Then ....
I relate to what you are saying. I am so disappointed in the Disney organization these days. Concrete, fiberglass and unrelenting crowds. I can't bring myself to go back. I go to Knott's Berry Farm instead, even Knott's isn't what it used to be, but they still have the Ghost Town, railroad, Calico Mine and Independence Hall etc... On our last visit to Knotts we decided to go visit downtown Disney that evening and I couldn't do it. We went back to our accommodations. Downtown Disney had this atmosphere that you described. I was too annoyed to stay.
This was a really well stated and profound - and I think true - fact about how people view Magic Kingdom. The idea of the spaces between big attractions. Well done!
Excellent perspective on Disney shills and the state of the company. The only thing which I truly disagree with you on is that I do think Pixar has its place in the parks when implemented properly. Ironically enough, I think Cars Land at DCA is the best example of that and feel what’s being planed for the RoA flies directly in the face of that film’s message about slowing down and appreciating the simple things in life that are often overlooked by others. It’s a travesty on multiple levels and the company needs to start listening to the majority of actual fans rather than these shills if they don’t want to lose everything eventually.
I'd agree that Cars Land is well done, but I can't shake the fact that it's a representation of Route 66 as it is today in its largely dilapidated state. If one wants that, they can just do Route 66!
@@MonsterKidCory Fair enough, but I can easily see the land being able to inspire people to actually make that trip down Route 66 in the same way the RoA inspired you to get into Mark Twain. That’s certainly more than what can be said for most other IP integrations in the Disney parks as of late.
Right! Cars 🚗 was about the past … and how “ progress” destroyed Route 66 .. exactly what iger is doing to frontier land
@@rmrphy07 Yes! That’s exactly the point I was trying to make about the film’s message. Just goes to show modern Disney not only fails to understand the purpose and appeal of their parks, but of the IPs they’re currently planning on destroying them with as well. When you fail to grasp both ends of the equation like they do, it’s almost guaranteed that your products will fail to satisfy consumers on the level needed to justify your financial investment into them.
@@JRH-1007 yes!! 🙌
Epic universe looks awesome! It’s sad to see how Disney has fallen. They were always pioneers in creativity and innovation but not now.😑
How terrible. That's just hateful, negative and VIOLENT speech on your part. How dare you say that to Burbank ;-)
The whole central corridor - Celestial Park - is free of IP and just creates a sense of place with beautiful landscaping, pathways and water features in all directions. It's the kind of thing Disney USED to do (exemplified by TSI and the Rivers, and a number of spots throughout Epcot (some present, some past, sadly). It seems like there's been enough of a significant talent drain from WDI to Universal Creative, that as an entity, maybe the latter "gets it" better now.
@@noahknoxmarshall3001 - I LOVE having places that are void of movie IP. It's such an relaxing break!
I can't wait for Epic Universe. It looks like early Eisner and Wells detailed of theme park design. Disney is basically Comcast/Universal to build Epic Universe from their 1/3 purchase of Hulu from Comcast.
Agreed - I think you meant to say that Disney is PAYING Comcast to build EU - and yes, they are. It's a delicious irony! :)
What's next to go? The castle? Seeing the riverboat turn the bend of the river with the castle in the background was so special.
These are the same people that told me to stay home when I said taking away free Disability Access Pass for physically disabled people, many who will legit faint or have an attack in the standby, was a horrible idea. Course they also told me to buy Genie+ which is exactly why Disney gutted Das to force legitamitly disabled people to buy fast pass. So yeah I’m not playing Disney’s game, I’m voting with my dollar. These people are soooo up Disney’s butt they’ll take whatever slop they’re given and if anyone has a problem with Disney, they’ll tear them apart. Disney fans are so elitist and brainwashed thinking they’re super special for having an annual pass. If you don’t agree they will get so nasty. I wasn’t even complaining about Tiana’s cause thats small potatos compared to disabled people getting denied basic accommodations that help them navigate the park safely. Das isn’t a line skip! You wait the same amount as standby outside the line then you go into the lightning lane, so if anything we’re waiting longer. I’m strongly against paving rivers of America because while I have some fond memories with the Liberty bell, I’m mostly concerned about how this will increase the heat and noise in the park. Yknow cause A LOT of disabled people have conditions that are made worse by the heat. Also lots of people need a quieter space to unwind and destress like elders and people with sensory issues. I’m just glad I’m choosing to go to universal instead these days. They’re much more accommodating to disabled people compared to Disney and they still care about art and theming. Funny how by defending Disney and telling every critic to leave, they’re giving more people reasons to go to competing parks like Universal.
Passholes: "Just don't go then, you disabled freaks! Only ubermenschen allowed in our parks!"
Normal people: "Okay, I won't go then 🤷"
Passholes: "How DARE YOU, you elitist entitled snobs!! 😱"
@@MonsterKidCory Well no one has had the gull to call me a freak, but they will call me entitled and say if I want equality I should wait in line like everyone else. Like I get some able body people abused the system and that upsets people. Disney could have nipped that by doing what universal does and requiring medical documentation. But no these people will acknowledge I have a disability and STILL say I should wait in line or buy lightning lane. They will tell me “you shouldn’t burden people with your disability” which WOW that is insanely offensive for so many reasons. I’ve tried asking bigger Disney news channels to keep covering the das situation but they don’t care. They don’t want to risk losing the media pass, but also I fear deep down they approve of the changes thinking it’ll benefit them.
I hate the people who think Disney sucks solely because it’s woke and DEI, they are super annoying, but they are somehow more respectful to a disabled person like me. This is the insane world I live in.
@@VixenLovelove there is no low that a Disney Zealot, a Passhole, won't sink to 😬
I can see why people are annoyed about the cars land taking over frontier land i honestly think coco would have made more sense they could have even turned tom Sawyer Island into a border town and used the unused land in the area for the coco land pleasing everyone
Coco would have tucked nicely into that transition from Adventureland to Frontierland, where it has more of a Spanish flavour. They're even putting a Coco ride in California Adventure anyway, apparently, so it wouldn't take much to clone it to WDW.
I don't believe anything I hear at D23 anymore, to me D23 is "kind of a scam" that now has become a problem for them. They bill it as a "fan event" but it's more just a way to sell tickets to something that's basically a press conference, or like "market research". They make these announcements to see how people react to them, and then a large percentage of this stuff never happens anyway, when people freak out about it online. They didn't even want people filming this parks event, that's how little faith they have in the stuff they're announcing... To me this clash of "people hating it" and this "toxic positivity" just equals that Cars is a "NO GO" at Frontierland, because they'd have to be crazy to go through with it. Tom Sawyer Island is one of these older things that's not ADA compliant, like the Swiss Family Tree House, and The Rivers of America is so full of snakes and alligators, I can understand them "thinking about" how to change that area, but again, they'd have to be crazy to put the Cars thing there after the online reaction to it
One can hope! It is true that they didn't end up doing 90% of the things they said they were going to do in Epcot a few years ago. Most of the concept art they showed was clearly AI generated...
@@MonsterKidCory There's another D23 in Brazil in November and I think something else at Walt Disney World next year too... so they've got plenty of chance to change their minds again🤣
Brilliant video. If I wanted to go on thrill rides alone I'd go to Six Flags. Those places are great too, and serve a purpose. But I go to Disney parks because of the immersive emotional reaction I have when I go there. I remember when I actually got to pilot the Mark Twain with my wife and that is by far one of my most favorite experiences ever in the park. I still have my pilots license framed in my office. It's these kinds of experiences that people enjoy about the parks. Every time the remove that nostalgia in favor of some new ride they are ruining that. It's sad that the current executives at Disney just can't understand that.
I have a pilot's license too! Not just riding the Mark Twain, but even being able to "drive" it is one of those unsung things that really makes a Disney trip special.
I really want to visit WDW someday but test track is closed and I’m an Epcot fan. As much as I love cars and enjoyed carsland at Disneyland (my home park), they could easily put it behind rivers of America just like Galaxy edge in California.
But I also find it weird how people say they don’t like ips when epic universe is getting praise and it’s not original themes. I find it odd how they’re getting a 3rd Harry Potter land in the same state.
Yep... And not only is Epic Universe almost all IP - except for the central hub area - but they can't even get that IP right, as per my numerous videos criticizing their treatment of the classic monsters.
lol FrontTire land
The only thing I am interested in that came out of the D24 is Zootopia 2 mainly because it would be interesting expanding that world and introduced evolved reptiles and their relation to the mammals
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video. It’s been downright disturbing to me to see the toxic positivity fans actively bullying people who dare need to grieve the loss of something they cared about, and brought them joy. That’s just human nature, and there’s no changing it no matter how many times you throw up that quote about the parks always changing.
Splash Mountain was also my favorite ride, and not being able to fully grieve its loss due to this mentality has been exhausting. Going through it again with ROA/TSI has also made me stop being a fan. And the “go somewhere else!” Mindset boggles my mind, because pushing longtime customers away… seems like a terrible plan for business.
In other, equally shocking news, the sky is blue.
I will never go back to Disney it’s woke garbage they won’t get my money ever
I'm seeing that same thing from the other side. 'If you like this new thing, you're not a real theme park fan and don't know what immersion is" Everyone can just shutup and let Disney do what they're going to do anyway
Very well said. Thank you for posting this video. - JJC
Senpai noticed me!
I'll look forward to your trip report from Hannibal, MO.
Pending finances, my wife and I may go travelling in autumn. Right now the top contenders are Japan and Missouri 😄
Well said!
with any luck, epic universe will be the thing that finally kicks Disney’s backside and forces them to go back to the roots when it comes to the theme parks🤞🙏
The Avatarland at Animal Kingdom is so bizarre, because there’s no Na’vi, just a bunch of people (colonizers basically) and very small pictures of when they did have some in their opening ceremony in the cafe
I actually got in a small online spat with Joe Rhode about it 😆 I sassed about why not bring Mysterious Island from Tokyo if they're going to have Avatarland in there, and he proceeded to give me the song and dance about how Avatar was about nature. Dude, it's a CGI movie about downloading your consciousness into a body that comes equipped with built-in USB cables to attach to a global fibre-optic network... it's the least naturey nature movie ever 😆
You are of the top 1% of my target audience of my ideal Disney park. I think this is only the second video of yours that I've come across and I remember being in full agreement with you then as I am now.
Hah! Thank you! 😄
I dont like all the IPs taking over the park. It used to be a good mix of more generic things and experiences but now theyre trying to tie an IP into everything. Like if i remember all the IPs were essentially in just fairytale land and that was it. Or even if they did have an IP it was very downplayed
Thanks for the honest take. Vibes well. Where did you get that amazing street sign from WD studios?
Thank you! I picked up the sign from a local Disney fan market, but I got it because it was the perfect retroactive souvenir from when we actually DID go there in 2012 😃
Great video man. Much needed
14:02 - you get it! Why is it that most Canadians know more about American culture than most Americans? I love hearing about the American experience from a Canadian’s point of view since 75% of the time they are spot on.
The United States is our second-favourite spectator sport 😆
100% AGREE!!!!
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That's okay... when I was a hot, young, queer Goth boi with amazing Robert Smith hair, judgmental @$$holes like you just shouted homophobic slurs at me. You're not the first to judge me by my appearance and you won't be the last.
Oh I originally thought you meant Disney movie fans. Which I’d say that franchise, Star Wars, and some Marvel fans that are bitter about like two movies are all very negative
E ticket after E ticket at the original Universal park maybe, but I don’t think the same could be said for Islands of Adventure. Islands of Adventure is better than Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom, and Epcot by far. Even looking at each parks “premier” attraction, which I would consider to be Hagrids and Rise of the Resistance, Hagrids is better now. A lot of people don’t talk about how the things that made Rise of the Resistance such an amazing experience during its opening aren’t as prevalent now. You get rushed through the entire experience you are supposed to be having, and then it’s up in the air what animatronics will and won’t work on the ride that day. The worst thing I remember seeing on Hagrids is fog effects not working from time to time. And when Epic Universe opens, Magic Kingdom itself will be an E ticket experience as it’s already becoming.
My opinion of Universal was inclusive of IOA... When we went to Universal during our trip to WDW, we were struck by the marked contrast in what there was (or wasn't) to do. We actually started getting bored of Universal and left early, because all there was to do were E-tickets, shopping, and playing with our wand. That contrast is what lit me onto the importance of A, B, C, and D-ticket attractions in adding variety and pacing out a day.
It's very strange, I feel like a lot of the vocal fans that resent the criticism are getting more and more defensive, but the thing that they're defending is an irrationally expensive downgrade to the experience that made for so many better memories. All of it pushes me further away from the parks I once enjoyed and make me more appreciative of places I visit that are still genuinely passionate about the experience instead of trying to be "trendy and popular"
You have a new fan. Bless you.
Thank you!
Those attractions like you say gave like a nostalgic or even a unique flavor to Disneyland. And that's the problem without it what's the difference with Universal Studios? And if we talking about rides like Cars or 7 Dwarf Mine I prefer Harry potter rides. You go to Disney land and WDW to experiment the classic American park.
I soooooo agree with you here Cory!
We need to hit the Tiki bar again, commiserate, and toast what is being lost!
6:36 what’s happening to tower of terror????? No no no no that’s the last straw! whatttt??? it better at least be just a retheme if it’s gone I don’t think I can enjoy Disney anymore! Tower of terror was literally the staple for me. Is this why I couldn’t find the tot billboard this past summer?
They replaced the Tower of Terror at California Adventure with Guardians of the Galaxy... Tower of Terror got me into The Twilight Zone and was my only real reason for even going into California Adventure. When they replaced it, that was it for me for that park.
@@MonsterKidCory oh my gosh I didn’t know that cause unfortunately I’ve never been to Disneyland Cali but I’m relieved that you weren’t talking about wdw tho. Man I couldn’t imagine losing splash mountain AND tower of terror at the same time:(
I’m surprised about is your take on universal. Epic Universe is looking to be one of the most innovative theme parks ever made and it’s not just a glorified IP dump which someone could understandably describe the other two parks as( although I don’t really think that’s a bad thing) The first area in the land has no IP whatsoever and seems like exactly the sort of thing you would be into
The Celestial Park or whatever it's called is about the only part of Epic Universe I AM interested in 😆
3:32 I agree but I think you’re being too vague for anyone on the opposing opinion to hear you. I completely understand what you mean tho, putting ips like cars into a place like Frontierland completely undermines the integrity of the realism Walt Disney set out to create. Disney fans loved Disney because of the attention to detail and how everything in the park had a thread of a backstory that you could chase down thousands of rabbit holes
and it still would all make perfect sense. The new imagineers think oh all they wanna do is ride the movie which is partially true but Walt Disneys theming goes much more in depth than anything they’ve done. I still haven’t completely given up, hopefully Disney will shoot themselves enough that someone who actually cares will come along and buy it and fix it. With that being said I will say the new guardians of the galaxy ride at wdw is by far my favorite ride they’ve ever built even tho my most recent trip as a whole was mostly a disappointment with the lack of authentic cast members that actually stay in character and the fact that anything educational or informational or had in integrity to the theming was dumbed down or simply didn’t make much sense. As a guy who went probably 5-6 times from the age of 13-20 with a single mother who was a school teacher supporting 3 kids I am deeply saddened by what has happened to Disney. To some that may be silly but to real Disney fans it was an idea that we all wish could touch the hearts of everyone and everything that exist. I’m not kidding I would’ve nominated Walt Disney for president of the United States if I could😭
Great video and yeah I agree.
As a parent I’m not even showing anything Disney to my child unless it’s from 2000s , just because I understand they tryna push an agenda on children with this woke ideology, and I feel like my son should’t be surrounded by that kind of stuff, and honestly schools to like my son only 2 but when he starts school I’m not gonna even send him to public just because I know in my heart he won’t have the same experience as I did and I don’t want them to brainwash my kid , I mean Minnesota is already putting tampons in boys school bathrooms , it’s scary world and as parent I gotta figure out what’s best for my kid
Anyone using the term "toxic" unironically has the emotional capacity of a 2 year old. But you are using it in a way of not trying to play victim so totally fine.
But ya removing the river and putting cars IP right next to the line for Haunted Nansion is utterly stupid. I don't trust modern Disney to do anything right now. They have valued DEI over everything else, so the people who were hired and promoted are not the best people for the jobs. As such everything they do now is utter trash.
It amazes me how they destroyed all their IP’s.
If you're a Walt Disney purist, Walt was forward thinking and a visionary that wanted things to continue to change, evolve, and be different. Just like Walt said, Disneyland will never be complete and I garuntee he would feel that way about wdw and all of the other parks around the world. I side with the visionary and not monday morning quarterbacks that think their feelings and/or opinion has to be abided by. People need to realize that the world does not revolve around them. I will always support the disney company forever!
Walt also said "I love the nostalgic myself. I hope we never lose some of the things of the past." Walt never acted just to change things for the sake of change, or to make them worse. Not every change is pre-approved by Walt simply because it's a change.
And seriously... "I will always support the disney company forever!" What an embarrassing opinion. Nobody should support a corporation blindly. I like classic Disney. I'd like new Disney if it was any good. I don't support the company. The company has to earn my money.
DIS is just like the rest of Woke, best way to stop them is Walk Away
Cut off funding