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Okay, so! We were calling Breakout hitbox Plank by accident, so don't mind that haha, Breakout has the next closest front-end which is why we used that one instead. Also! We have confirmation from Devin Connors (Psyonix Community Manager) that this change was intentional. What do you guys think about that? They have to introduce a free-use car with this hitbox soon, right?
First
If they’re never releasing rocket league 2 on unreal 5, they might as well re-add custom hitboxes to make the game exciting again.
i would agree that it’s unfair to have a hitbox that is exclusive to those who will pay for the car
I think coconut is right when he is saying that it is the same hitbox just moved forward and that the kickoffs will be the same. Im pretty certain that the kickoffs are based on the hitbox location so it should be the same for all plank cars including this one. I would assume that if the change is intentional that they would have known that it would not effect the kickoffs just the location of the car skin on the hitbox. If that makes sense.
Easy way to find out. Breakout hitbox and the F1 side by side on the kickoff where theres not somebody on the corners. At that point you could determine how they spawn.
Unstoppable? Ha! Maybe for you, you put me behind the wheel of that bad boy and suddenly it becomes pretty stoppable! 😂
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😂
Same
Lols
@@GodWorksOutno eres Dios
Leth: This hitbox sucks
Coconut: Only a bad carpenter blames his tools
5 minutes later Cocunut missing an open net: It's gotta be the controller
Leth out here hearting comments hours after video dropped?
I member when he only hearted a handful 10 minutes after his 20 minute video dropped smh
LOL
XD
@@nr1341
Could've also setup up a script to do it.
I have NEVER seen the ball go throughmy car more than this season.
2:07 They didn't make it longer, they moved the Plank hit box it has forward
been using it since i got it. i love the car
On anything less than GC, this really isn't going to matter 😂 I have this car and I'm a plat/diamond player... I can assure you I don't have the level of play to exploit this hit box.
When will this be released next???
Don't worry, it's the Max Verstappen update - you get a superior F1 car
Bruh
Surely you mean the Lewis Hamilton update
@@kickstart3974naaah, max verstappen is way better
Du du du du max VERSTAPPEN🗣️
@@bullsnake Not wrong but they were on about the car
they really said if yall are gonna boycott the item shop we're gonna make you want to use it for once
That’s the problem, tho. It’ll ruin the game if they introduce features that are parallel to “pay-to-win”
@@KrisPBaconnnNobody would want to use it, though. Even if it were free, it's getting no more than a few games from interested people, then they move to their old car
@@iamnotjcookwell this car has a huge advantage so actually ppl might swap to it permanently.
@@KrisPBaconnngame dead since epic took over
So they are trying to shut up everyone who is talking about them removing trading by adding this, then. Ok cool Psyonix.
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(Epicgames*)
@user-mj1eb3lo8oWell... it is tbh. Epic games have to greenlight everything for the game so they are at fault for trading and most things
It is tho
@user-mj1eb3lo8opsyonix has to conform to epic fames “rules” and “terms of service” so yeah it is psyonix
Believe it or not, kickoff spawns are actually based on the visual model center and not the physics model. That's why an Octane and a Fennec will actually spawn at different distances to the ball as well. The hitbox is the same, but the alignment with the visual has an offset. The new hitbox has a visual offset, AND it also shifts the box further ahead of the physics center of mass. That means you get a longer lever for more powerful flicks and some other advantages. It can make recoveries more difficult though.
So does that mean that the Octane physics hitbox starts closer to the ball than the Fennec physics hitbox? (Since the Octane physics hitbox sticks out in front of the Octane visual model)
@@pineapple.smoothiecurrently, at the time of kick off, the distance of the hitboxes from the ball is equal, so if your hitbox is further forward then the car will be further back so that the front of the hitbox is at the same distance from the ball so it doesn't matter the hitbox, it will be at the same distance but not the car itself
its interesting, in theory they should just make the physics the same across all hitbox types then if u need to adjust one like they did for this by moving it forward it would just accurately protray the front better with the model while losing a bit from the back. just a theory but idk what spegetti they cooked up or how it would feel in game
@@valentinponty9506 ty for clarifying
Precisely, notice that difficulty, when doing the backflip. But it's certainly a fair price to pay if I feel better playing it than using the Octane.
I'm willing to bet the reason Coconut wasn't able to demo you all those times is due to the hitbox moving up on the car
agreed
Bro imagine Mawkzy in this car. He’s already insane at flicks with the fennec, but this would take it to a WHOLE new level🤯
Omg how did I not think about that?! Lol. We need to see this now! Mawkzy already blows my mind with his flicks. Wtf... 😂
You just gave it to him
who is that?
@@TheTyler566 1v1 king
@@Dino-o5z4h and flick king aswell
bro has 26 million wins with the octane
All in a day's work.
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Just for the record, that number is a bug. That number of games would take 36111 years to complete without overtimes and with a 100% win rate.
@@AlphaHenriksenagreed, if you assume an average of 5 minutes per match, and 100% wins, Leth would 2.2 million hours in the game. And I don't know if the custom games or even private matches count towards those wins
@@woofspider330 You say “agreed” as if it’s an opinion. It’s from a very well known old bug that a lot of long time players have impossible stats on some items
It just looks like the shifted the plank hitbox forward so it would better line up with the car. Which is a good thing. It used to let the nose of the car go into the ball which made visually lining up your shots impossible.
I hope they revisit more misaligned cars and shift their hitboxes to match the car models better.
But they need to normalize the start positions to the center of the hit box.
Yeah the lamborghini is actually unplayable. If you're spending money on a car, it needs to match the hitbox. SO many times I was like "How did i not hit that??" Come to find out, literally a quarter of the front does not even have a hitbox. It's actually a sad display of effort from the team.
They technically had more of this before the update mentioned at the beginning of the video. Having different hit boxes makes different cars better than others which some people aren’t a fan of. Granted everyone who is competitive at the game uses like 3 to 4 car types so idk why the change was all that necessary
That hitbox basically extends your reach while making you harder to demo from behind. Win-Win
Win-Win is something that benefits two opposing ideas right? ( correct my dumbass if I’m wrong 😂)
Back with another idea for you Leth. Forgive me if you've already done this or if there is a limitation but what about if the map goes completely dark and only the ball is highlighted (maybe just white). You could also just leave the ball pitch black as well. This could happen maybe randomly, at set intervals, or maybe a few seconds after you hit the ball. It would be hard to keep your location and the location of other players. I know you've done where meme things appear and other things like the pixel/resolution/blurry vision but I don't remember something like this. Anyways, thanks for another video. Should be interesting to see what they do with the plank going forward.
This would be really interesting! Or if the only sources of light on the map are the boost pads and a glowing ball. So if the map is dark and the cars are invisible, it could be called ghost ball or something lol
there is a video where the map is pitch black, and you can only see the ball
@@king2fc I believe the video you’re referencing is called Rocket League in the Dark, but the idea is a little different because the light sources are the headlights and the sky outside the arena.
The over exaggerating of everything normal happening is hilarious, they literally do the most basic thing with the car and say it’s broken 💀
They really captured the true spirit of f1 with this one tho. Pay to win is the whole theme of the sport. Still love both the car and the sport tho😊
Real shit 😂👍🏻
Seems really weird to me that they'd do it on purpose and not mention it. Idk what incentive they'd have for that.
Since it just looks like a plank but moved forward, my guess is it's a bug. Kinda hoping they're moving all the plank hitboxes forward tbh
It's not a bug, a dev confirmed it
go read the pinned comment, leth confirmed its intentional
When it had dominus hitbox, I bought it unknowingly and refunded this car immediately after going to freeplay with it... The front bumper sank into ground more than any other car before because there was no actual hitbox there.
It definitely looks like the *volume* of the hitbox stayed the same and was only moved forward. That said, the wheels and- more importantly- the *center of gravity* (the point the car rotates around) did not change.
Even if kickoffs are set up relative to the front of the hitbox, the F1 car will be able to generate the most powerful front-end touches because there’s more torque being generated by that increased distance.
10:12 “the lethaflick” let’s get the trend started
Never seen anybody do that in rocket league
26 million wins with octane 😂
The hitbox being moved forward also means that demos from the back may be more difficult.
wait a minute...Leth has 26763996 wins with the octane
if they're going to do this they should just make it like the good old days back when hitboxes at least sorta kinda matched the visual of the car. last time i bought a car was when the james bond car came out and i was pretty put off when i realized that the entire rear end had no hitbox at all
Clearly Psyonix saw SunlessKhan's 'Penetrator' (lol) and thought "hey we can do something with this" 🙄
community: complains about trading
Epic: 😴
Players complaining about a cars hitbox:
Epic: 🧐🔧
There was that sunless video where he made that custom super sized car. The hitbox mattered most as far as matching the appearance of the car. The hitbox that was programmed first for sunless was huge but didn't match up well for the car, he kept missing badly initially because the hitbox was too far back. The ball wouldn't touch the hitbox until going through the nose. Once his programmer adjusted it so the hitbox more closely matched to the appearance of the car, he played a lot better.
It made me wish cars had their own hitbox to closely match the appearance. Not that I'd use it, but it's one of the reasons the scarab is so bad. Its hitbox sits so far in front of the cosmetic appearance of the car that it's nearly impossible to get accurate touches. I don't think it's pay to win in this case because the hitbox is still very close to the plank. It's just more accurate to the representation of the car. In fact I'm anticipating being bugged that people are going to complain about this car being pay to win.
Is everyone gonna ignore the 27 million wins on octane
No
BRO IS ACCUTALLY OVERREACTING WTF
3:32-3:41 is exactly the problem with todays gamers. Being completely indifferent to developers implementing Pay 2 Win mechanics in todays AAA games. Wow.
"So......" 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I assume kickoff spawns are based on the front of the hitbox, or at least the midpoint of the hitbox, so it should be the same as other plank hitboxes right? I could be wrong about kickoff spawns though
There's a small yellow dot that shows the origin of the vehicle. That is what spawns are based off of
@@LethamyrIf so, this could have easily been shown by both players on a center kickoff to just hold boost only. Easy missed opportunity.
All love for leth and his channel, but this video definitely pushed a narrative, whether that was just your biased opinion or not, it felt like you wanted it to be a problem. The people wanted this car to not have hitbox problems, what were they supposed to do? They messed up with the Batmobile before which was also sponsored content, Its gonna be same deal or rockets…🤬 but give them benefit of the doubt, hopefully they will add a free version of this new hitbox into the drop pool. Im a CS student heading towards a dev seat, Im trying to think from the devs perspective. Epic is losing money right now, so badly that they frantically removed trading, thats a serious financial crisis, do you think they wanted to do that? They had to, Im not saying it was right. Now it seems they are listening to JZR & sadly barley anyone else (classic corporate disconnect), and they fixed our hitbox, they have to now create a new free car to represent this hitbox and will be in the game indefinitely, give it some time. Hopefully epic will redeem themselves, but this isn’t looking good. Still don’t jump to conclusions, the fix to this problem could already be in development
I just happen to buy this as my first ever payment and only payment in rocket league. This is good to know lmao, I'm not a pay to win because I suck, I didn't even know it was better 💀
26763996 wins in the octane alone is crazy 💀💀💀
BROOOOOOOO no way . This must also count in custom play shenanigans when testing maps or else . And i just calculated it must be around 90.000 days playing rocket league . Ain´t no way Leth is that old LMAO! Leth is an Ancient RL God 😄
@@koYyn Thanks for calculating it I also wondered and assumed 50,000 hours damn I am bad at math.
Coconut literally never wins
i've been using it and loving it, i knew buying it back then wasn't a mistake 😂
i'm an ok champ 3 and have been hitting some crazy clips for my level
i even hit a damn pancake, in a match, i don't even practice those, can't do them in freeplay when i'm trying
Verstappen even got the superior car in rocket league 😂
If the hit box is the same as the other one just moved forwards does it not only affect the kick off cause your closer but after that wouldn’t it just be the same as the other car
Did they change the hitbox on the old f1 cars too?
I’m not buying anything new but I have the original f1 car
The advantage here comes from when you do flicks. While the car has the exact same length as the dominus, it’s front end is further from its centre of rotation and is therefore travelling faster while the car is rotating. This allows the car to hit the ball faster as when you flip the hit the ball the front of the car will be hitting the ball at a higher speed than usual
TL;DR:
It’s not the length of the hitbox that is the problem, but rather it’s position
(I meant to say breakout here)
but I'm confused, if they just shifted the hitbox, wouldn't they also have just ahifted the centre of rotation?
moving the centre of rotation to anywhere that isn't in the middle of the front and rear wheels would cause the car to feel extremely weird when flipping, because if it were to be moved it forward the rear wheels would rotate faster than the fronts. This is the exact same situation the main hitbox is in where the centre of rotation is currently. Basically, psyonix has a choice of: move the centre of rotation and make the car really weird to drive, or keep the centre of rotation the same and make the car pay to win. You can see which option they chose.@@alex222333ful
Scamamyr back at it again xD
Leth: *does flick*
Also Leth: OH MY GOD
Why IS No one talking about why this man hast 26 Million wins on His octane you can See it at 1:29
The controller dying is a rocket league issue. It always died when I tabbed out and tabbed back in. Or typed in game chat. Then after reinstalling some stuff and adding some stuff it randomly fixed itself.
Another thing to note about this: The more forward hitbox means that any ball touches with the front of the car will be sent more forwards and less to the side, making it easier to be precise. The game basically draws a line from the point where the car flips (which hasn't changed) to the contact point of the ball, which is now further forward, meaning that the direction you bump the ball will be more forwards
The breakout needs this hit box cause there is so much room on the breakout that the ball just goes through. (Main breakout)
"how often do you use the back of your car?"
As an XL Roadhog player, **every** part of my car is used to attack and defend. I will back flip, reverse, punt, demo, side-slam, corkscrew and dive-bomb the ball wherever I have the opportunity to do so ensuring my team either keeps control, or gains control of the field. The XL cares not of the direction you're going, so longer as you get there.
Super fun to just watch a casual hang out and match. Flicks are super nasty in this. Love watching those as well.
You could say this car literally has its own "FORMULA". 😂
I played rocket league for 2 years already now and im diamond I div IV. I used the f1 car for 2 years now and i like the car. It has a very good hitbox and i can handle it very well. Now i want to switch to octane but i need to learn the handling completely every than.
1:28 HOW THE ACTUAL HELL DOES LETH HAVE 26MILLION WINS WITH OCTANE?
Pleaaaase Leth, I know you read your comments (for all the responses and likes I see, I think you do)
Please leave the goal replay, there's at least 4 I REALLY wanted to see ! (and by te way, I've never pressed so much the "0,25 speed" button
Loved to see you both playing against each other ! You know each other so much than you don't play the game, you just play each other !
What a good video ❤
I mainly use dominus, and im not really- knowledgable to what using it means? If that makes sense. So i was wondering if someone could explain why its a "big deal"😅
1:30 can we just acknowledge that leth has 26 million wins with the octane
This seems impossible to me I can’t imagine how many hours that could be. Maybe it’s 50,000 hours?
Yeah even if he won 500 matches every day, it would take 140 years playing 20 hours a day winning matches in every 2.4 minutes.
I mean, one way to test the kickoff theory is to wait until a straight ahead kick off, turn on all notifications (since it'll show first touch noti) then just drive straight to the ball with just boost and see who gets to the ball first. If you get first touch against every other hitbox, theory proven.
It's crazy to think that leth has 26 million wins with the octane (1:28)
It’s a bug, not possible.
Too bad they started making pay2win cars just after they opted for a lifelong item shop boycott, due to trade removal 👀😂
Video idea: make a hitbox parody video where you shift the hit box 5meters ahead of the actual car and try to play with it
@lethamyr do it
1:28 did he win 26,763,996 bloody games with octane
It’s crazy
Wins, not games. Which is even crazier lol
Y’all should play a match with hit boxes that are moved like 6 meters in front the actual car
thats a great one , or what about changing hitboxes like rumble items or circle through them every hit .
Leth we needa talk about how you have 26 millions wins on you're octane WTF?????? 1:27
Was looking for this comment 😂
Hey, hey OverZero used the Batmobile, but so did Kux. It was even.
Oh I know it was just in jest don't worry!
@@Lethamyr haha yeah sorry I meant it in a joking manner too I just stink at showing it in my typing :D great vid as always brotha
13:24 forgetting the fundamentals of a demo. My man wasn't even supersonic.
And AGAIN at 16:58 🤣🤣😭
The hitbox looks like the breakout hitbox was just moved forward, same size, further forward on the car.
For lower ranks this doesn’t really matter, however for higher ranks(grandchamp to ssl/pro ) this could definitely be a game changer, even if you’re just 2 frames quicker to a certain point.
In my opinion they’ve done this on purpose, the reason why? No idea 🤷
Man, I love these videos.
They're soooooooo Canadian and I'm 100% here for it.
Ya this is the least of RL problems right now
What about the earlier f1 cars? That came a while ago. Wasn’t it the same?
No that‘s the point. The F1 Leth uses is the same F1 they added a while ago (the same one you talk about). But with this same car they just changed the hitbox. F1 cars used to have plank hitbox but now they have their own.
“Maybe the real alpha boost was the friends you made along the way” lmao coconut got me with that one
I have this car but i dint even use it💀
BRO GOT 26 MILLION WINS WITH THE OCTANE
Of course they made a PAY to win car... Epic own it now and all they are after is money. They dont really care about the community lets be honest...
they couldve simply fixed it by using pre-existing collisions which match the car the best, so the cars would be like "skins" so each car would have its own pros and cons based on size etc, but the paid versions would just reskin the free cars.
I'm excited when they're just gonna release a perfect square shape that's 2x faster than other cars by default 💀💀💀 for 100 bucks
YO PAY TO WIN IT DISCONNECTED HIS CONTROLLER!!! lol the hitbox was a red haring, if you pick this car it actually just activates periodic code to DC the opponents controller HAHAHA
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1. No unique hitboxes
2. No Crates
3. Adds Shop
4. Removes Trading
5. Adds pay-to-win car with unique hitbox
Nobody talking about the Diestro's huge advantage to block literally EVERYTHING, i use it all the time and 50/50's are really one-sided
There was one day where you could play without updating and the people who updated and bought the new car were invisible on the other persons screen. don't remember which car now tho, one of the firsts sports cars they added
I’m pretty sure that was the McLaren 570s. Good times 😂
Hey Leth, is it the new « Dingo » you know the new « best car » that you used 1 month and went back to Octane two years ago.
This car is good for kickoff, flick but you can’t musty and flip reset properly, even for double or triple reset the car is too long. All the aerial plays are bad, even front flip is hard.
Is it just to make another drama with this dying game that is Rocket League ? And / Or to make lots of views ?
I hope Leth's wife learned not to have company over when Leth's playing RL. Like she'll be in the kitchen with her parents over and all of sudden they hear Leth's voice coming out of the gameroom talking about tingly butt sensations
I wouldn't call it longer... Looks pretty much the same as a plank, but moved forward.. I don't know.. by 10% of it's length?
I remember I was collecting all the cars through trading until I had every single car. I ended up with like 10 of the f1 cars hahaha. I unfortunately only have 2-3 left now I think.
At 1:27 what is the octane decal please
I mean to me this just is the same exact "type" of hitbox like a breakout. Just moved to the front but the same size. If anything, you'd think that ever breakout hitbox would be like that.
Edit: Im also talking out of my ass since I dont know much about hitboxes and just what i saw from the video.
Rocket League has been fooling you ALL, since the very beginning...and you haven't had a care in the world to uncover their grimy little secrets.
They're going to wait till everyone buys it, then come out with an "Oops, sorry we made a mistake, fixed now!". Greedy ass epic
The problem is, how do you make a car, which in real life is 5 metres long and 2 metres wide, into a balanced hitbox that fits the car well. I like the change as a car that was unfun and felt unusable is now changed for the better.
Not gonna lie though, haven't played the game in ages because Epic sucks soooo yeh, don't take it too seriously because I certainly am not.
Funny story actually the first time I saw the Formula One movie I was so surprised I was like oh my gosh this is like the best movie ever and then I was like hey I bet you they’re going to release it in the rocket league and so do you know what I did I had to go buy it and when I watch this video, I reminded myself that I actually had the car and the kick offs are insane and so are the flicks.
WTF. How does that almost 27 Million wins? That would take 240+ years if every match lasts 5 mins.
Everybody need to realize that plank car have hard and bad ground control, f1 is terrible in airdribble and especially for recovery and deplacement… one of the most important thing in the game and in 1s.
It have only insane flicks, fennec and octane have the best ground control, excellent airdribble, good flicks and the best recovery and fast deplacement in the game and cause of that flat cars will never be pay to win or meta in my opinion with my experience (i am a flat car lover that is forced to use fennec in ranked because of what i said and think personnaly)
Epic bought Rocket League made it free to play and built up the player base. Now its time to cash in. This and removing trading shows a change in business strategy at the very least.
i feel like calling any dlc car with a non standard hitbox pay to win is problematic, the devs release the f1 car, give it the standard plank hitbox and receive backlash for the car not fitting the hitbox then they go back in and actually address the issue just for it to be called pay to win. Personally i feel like going back to the idea of each car having a unique hitbox vs dumbing it down to a select 5 or 6 hitboxes is just objectively better for the game so that every car doesnt feel the exact same as the last one you used despite looking completely different in shape and size
see the funny thing is, No car is pay to win. All cars are just about the same. No car makes you any better than anyone else. Its all skill of the player. End of story. A pro could use any car and beat just about anyone.
And still I don`t get any advantages because I am not on pro level with my skills. SO ig it`s only p2w if you already have a great skill
No no no hold up we're not skipping that. How does your octane have 26.7 MILLION WINS
Wait the first f1 pack is now pay to win? Holy shit I’m lucky I got it I guess (I can’t control my car enough to use it effectively)
Wait, 26764996 wins on the octane?????? That takes around 2,230,416 hrs
I hope y'all continue to find reasons to bypass the item shop. Everything EPIC touches turns to shit and any company who works with them are shitty too.