y'all didn't ask me to upgrade my mic, but I did it anyway. weather was terrible, next one will be both shorter and brighter. i'm out here producing TV episodes now. love to Z for taking the time to feature in this piece! join the squad to get your name in the credits + bonus content: ua-cam.com/channels/YUIRADK9CuJU92EAp2CNPA.htmljoin
You have a WAY! Shit. I’m probably going to need to watch this a couple times cuz the info can probably be cross pollinated into other areas of my life - but I keep getting distracted. You just have a way. I pay more attention next time I watch. 👍
essentially. it gets glorified bc of the cash advance and the relatively poor artists who've never seen that much money immediately spend it on material things
No. If it was just that most people won't sign cos they or their family members can get bank loans with even better terms. It's the music label's marketing machinery attached to the bad contracts that artists need that makes them sign...
It’s even worse with the indie labels, where the advances aren’t even enough to live on. So you have to keep a job as well as tour, record, sell merch and records, and run social media. There’s the powerful myth that getting signed is going to lead to better opportunities and fortune, but more often than not, artists only exist on a label so that label can stay in business.
Yesss. I've started getting a couple emails from people sending me prices I have to pay to post a piano video promoting them 🤣🤣 1 offered me a piano for free but it's not worth it. Not for free.
20 years ago (2004), I was making beats and writing decent music. I also got BARS. By luck, I performed at an open mic and was approached by Lou Pearlman. He said he's signing esoteric hip hop artists to Trans Continental Talent, record deals, lawyers, Managers, the whole shabang-bang-bang. Imagine my let down when, after performing my weirdo noise at some INSANE venues, doing radio interviews in cities i've never been to, grinding from nobody to somebody who's not nobody, meeting people "professionally" that i was a fan of and trying to act cool (i'm not), Lou Pearlmans scam fell apart, the office that i used to go to vanised LITERALLY overnight, i couldn't get in contact with anyone about my music, and no one will admit to ever working for this dude. Now one of the members of N'sync made a documentary about the guy, and they completely skipped all the indie/underground artists that got completely done dirty. Shout out to my 71 fans. Ya'll exist, out there somewhere.
I didn't know about this either. I know it's a lot easier to get money for a documentary about 'NSync being screwed rather than a bunch of lower profile artists, but maybe someone on UA-cam can take a crack at it someday.
This man is the next big UA-camr in the anti-scam exposer space. The charisma, integrity of the material, the engaging way its presented, the music, and that opening ("AYE" gets me every time) all make this channel such an excellent experience. Lets make this guy HUGE.
This man came out of nowhere and he’s already raising the bar for everyone on the Internet. If he doesn’t have a million subscribers by the end of next year, the only conclusion to draw is that he’s being targeted in a conspiracy to keep him from climbing. I love to see it. Mark my word.
I appreciate both of y'all, and i know what people mean when they say "out of nowhere", i don't take it as an insult. hopefully this video made it clear that I've worked for this
Absolutely. I definitely just wanted to express how dope I think it is to see you come in with such high quality production and info. The grind is evident. I'm not actually sure why that other viewer got at me personally, but they're a sign you already have some Stans out there. Straight from the Eminem video, willing to die for you, taking any small thing that sounds off-key and calling the militia for you. Good sign if you ask me. @@CamJames
1) I have absolutely no difficulty believing you have significant stage presence. 2) your perspective is so fascinating to me. You're genuinely turning into one of my favorite creators. I've been telling my friends about you.
Bro, I grew up in the music industry. My father started the biggest black music store in the northwestern United States. From 1986 until 2008 that store was a major player in the industry as in the late 80’s & 90’s the labels were trying to build a bigger, stronger black music market in the northwest. We were billboard & sounds a reporters, we participated in payola before anybody knew what it was. Universal was big one for us & I can tell you stories for hours of their business practices. Put it this way, we in the retail industry knew about R.Kelley & Aaliyah’s marriage like 3 months before the public. My father was at the Jack Rapper conference in Miami when Ice Cube & Luke’s crew got into it (ya know, the scene from Straight Outta Compton) & I can say that you’re not wrong about anything you’ve said here & I thank you for this video. It sounds like the game hasn’t changed. Only difference is there doesn’t seem to be as many drug front record labels as there were back then. Trust me, I can tell you the breakdown on No Limit & how they made all that money they did back in the days because I had a front row seat to the shit. I feel like I’m applauding a lot here. I’m gonna go sit my old ass & let you do your thing for a while. But this one is actually telling the tale of my life from child to adult.
Adding stories like these to the comments gives the viewers better ideas where to research further, who to ask, and how much of the information the public has to take at face value. Seriously, thank you. You’ve added a lot of information for me.
@@biguattipoptropica aww shuck, y’all are welcome. The game is a trip though ain’t it? Like I said it’s a few of us historians who were there & can shed light on a lot. Like billboards stuff, you wouldn’t believe the shit they did. Long story short never trust the billboard charts, they’re all rigged.
Been on UA-cam about 12 years and barely comment, but at this stage with the amount of low effort tiktoky style slop UA-cam wants to throw at us, you're a welcome change. Interesting pieces that matter. Keep it up 👍👍
The cool thing about content like this is that it's very clear that all the topics aren't just ones you think will get clicks but ones you actually are invested in and care about, and that shows in the quality of these videos. Keep it up man loving the deep dive$ series
I'm in Los Angeles and pay to play is the standard here for aspiring musicians unfortunately. Basically how it works for a lot of clubs is that the acts pay to perform and then have to try and get reimbursed by selling their own tickets. There are tons of hole in the wall bars and clubs that make a large percentage of their income that way. As long as folks are desperate enough to pay to get their music heard, there will be folks willing to take advantage of that desperation. I used to think "Well, at least now the internet is allowing artists to self publish their work and get it out that way," but of course that just led to a whole new crop of scams (not to mention theft). Thanks for putting this out here, and for all you do to try and protect vulnerable people from losing money.
If all streams were treated equal, lofi hip hop creators would be billionaires based purely off the backs of teachers playing music in their classrooms 😂
How in the hell don't you have a million subs already. This is top notch work. The Payday Loan scam video was awesome, I didn't expect a followup so soon.
This is also very common in dance and modelling. Like I think wage theft is the most common, being denied food and breaks. But these "agency scams" and performance "showcase" scams are rampant ✋💀🙅♀️
@@CamJamesi got some stories ✋💀☝️😪 I think also, theres a hierarchy in performing arts and dance is at the bottom. Often the more prestigious/glamorous the job I snag, the worst I will treated 🥺😪🙃 Ha once I did a fashion show and they sold "backstage passes" basically a bunch of C list celebs/rappers paid to handout in the dressing room WHILE we were getting changed. So youre getting fitted and trying on swimwear while these strange dudes wander around drinking and taking pictures. Thats where the shenanigans start lol. Thats nothing now, but was a shock to me at the time Dancers/models see more money and bookings because we are background characters mostly, The scam is usually to do with how they treat you once you sign the contract. 💀✋
I'd love to get more info on this world, where can i get in touch? Actually hit me in the email in my bio so i don't miss it, there's a lot of comments here
@@CamJames gotcha, yeah its abuse time of year. But im honestly dying to talk about it. Especially with lizzo's dancers suing 👀🤷♂️☝️ people don't beleive them, but I do. Their pain is my pain too. I currently work as a sponsored athlete for a dance team but im in a Harriet Tubman slave contract 🤷♂️😭💀🙃
Dude I'm really glad to find your channel. Also, as a 43 year old that still makes music but never broke through, I'm honestly not one bit salty that I never got on. The more I learn about the industry the more I'm happy that I never got signed or fell for any tricks.
The scam is why I as an entertainer chose to go to law school INSTEAD of chasing my dream. I figured at the very least? I would not have to engage an entertainment attorney as often and more than make up the cost of tuition and time. At most? I’d make a good living and be able to fund my drive to create. I’m now an employment attorney who used to be a cast member on soul train , an alum of the famous Groundlings School, and a (former?) recording artist. The only thing is, I got my own home studio in a house I own. Some emcees I know that “made it” have nothing of the sort. But when they need me to put my legal eyes on a contract, I got them. Why? You create danger, you get an attorney provided at no charge. You create ART, you get robbed. I figure helping out the homies when they do something beautiful is a better use of my edumacation. 🤷🏽♂️ It’s BlackSoultan.
You got a good style and vibe bro. Go ahead and get ya bag and don't be shy about it. Just keep it rooted once you hit 500k or 1 million subs, and don't screw anybody over.
Blood sweat and tears are paying off. Good content with great execution. Post the link to become a channel member in the video descriptions. That may seem like a corny way of support. I can’t see where to become a channel member even though on bigger channels I watch it’s easy to find. God bless
I'm an old head now at 40, but all this stuff caused my disenchantment with the idea of popular music or performing for a living exclusively. There's a living in lessons, production work, and the business side of things, but not for the art. It's so gross. SO gross. Really, session musicians and backing bands are the only performers who are getting an honest living out of it, and there aren't many of them.
Dance is the same im afraid. The more decorated I become and the better the job, the worse the pay and the more binding the NDA and behavior agreements. Teaching, choreography, and artistic directing a school is the way to go once you get a little stage time under your belt. 😮
As someone who rapped from 13-21, and then started making electronic music from 17-24 (my current age), this video hits and should be showed to ANY Aspiring artist. I was kind of wondering why I had never seen anything like this before. The promoters forcing you to sell an absurd number of tickets, getting scammed for features, soundcloud promos, playlisting, etc etc the list goes on. It's crazy how many people try to leech off aspiring artists.
One reason UA-cam is so great is because of how feasible it is to do independently. There are some issues here and there with having nearly everything be done by bots instead of people, but it beats having tons of corporate middle men and rigged systems
I mean if we're being honest it really isn't😂. Most if not all of these social media platforms only care about engagement and alot of people on the platform can't keep up with the demands and lose followers. Most popular youtubers have moved to streaming or just do mind numbing bs on here. There are a multitude of black channels like this that are well made and offer alot of insight but they don't get pushed at all
25:52 "I don't even think I had the best song in that particular contest, but nobody outperforms me." Found my new mantra today -- nobody outperforms me! Editing, writing, delivery, everything continues to be top notch
16:41 I tried to do this. Already a lawyer, already had two unreleased albums in the bag, and one of these exact same shady labels was willing to put my 💩 out with a 35k advance to “make the album”. That’s nothing, sure, but with the connects I had? Producers, promoters in LA, a studio? We talking 2004 pre iTunes too? The “label” was willing to press and distribute my hard copy CD’s in an era where that was still the pinnacle? I was gonna get free distro and $35k to get the second album mixed and mastered professionally, so when this fly-by-night “label” inevitably skipped on the one album I DO give them, I got the wherewithal and 35k to now be able to gig more and demand more per gig with the second indie “debut” album. The first album I was “scammed out of” would’ve become an asterisk on a wiki bio somewhere in the future. I’m sitting on a JD, connects from the streets to the suites, lyrics - you don’t have to be a signed A lister to be successful and comfortable financially in this game. You can flip 35k in 2004 into consistent revenue per annum if you knew what you were doing. My law school thesis was about the best path going forward for music distro and business, essentially laying out what became iTunes but three years prior. They almost f’d around and made me happy. But no. The lady who “discovered” me at Debbie Allen Studios wasn’t too bright and negotiated away the advance in exchange for a - get this - American Idol style reality show on PAX that was to double as music videos. I had LAWYER money, no debt, and connected to an art/media collective in LA’s indie scene. A video was what? 5k tops if you were FANCY? This is back when you’d get 2 vids per album. 35k and a law degree focused on music law would’ve made me my into an indie label by my self! Tf would I have needed their record label for? I knew it wouldn’t have lasted. Just give me the “advance”. Cross collateralize me, sure. All-in points? Ga-head. I had Soleternity and a catalog from the homie from HS with Grammys and a diamond album they ain’t need to know about. And the lady who “discovered” me, I’d have made her some serious change off the deal, even if she was for dolo and not doing it for me. I know which enemies to keep close in the game. But it doesn’t work if she TOO is out here falling for dumb 💩. “YOU supposed to be scamming ME, which is fine since I knew how to flip it awready! Then you prove useful as a hustler for ME once we bake this into our own BREAD!” She out here negotiating. “PAX, bih??!?” Again, I wasn’t tryna be no Kanye. Could’ve been paid and successful without ever being famous. There’s a whole tier of artists who never get signed, never chart, but could clear high five into six figures for DECADES. Big rap money lasts you less than the options on your contract. You got 1.5-3 years on average. How long Aceyalone stayed at a viable level? Blu? The Coup? The career is in indie, not pop. No one lasts. Look at the charts from 5-10 years ago. Most of those guys are bar tenders and waiters today if they’re still alive. The aim is to go big, then get dropped, then go indie. Most of the game just stays indie. Still a cash business today for them. Their Spotify isn’t ever gonna compete, so their bandcamp sales and iTunes sales hold em. Hipster cassettes. Vinyl collectibles. Then? It’s the tours. That’s the most of their revenue. 🤷🏽♂️ And they don’t ever start with some free 35 thousand dollars. THIS b🤬ch said “PAX”. 🤦🏽♂️ I’m a contract lawyer from a high ranked school in the entertainment capital. Prince’s lawyer was my boy since freshman year and law school. The 35k was no scam. That part was real, so that was the only part I NEEDED to be real. Lie to me on every other page. Didn’t care. PAX. Yall may not be old enough to remember that, but imagine PBS but shiny.
The fact that talent is the least important aspect to the business side of the music industry is very telling. But power to all the creatives out there grinding daily for their art! “The revolution will not be televised.” Another great vid Cam 🙏🏾
i would've needed a sales pitch to watch a professionally made episode of TV on this topic, but i skipped 30 minutes of the 6ers game to watch your work. i hope you're seeing the kind of growth you need to keep this going, cuz this is primo stuff and i want more
Learned a lot here about how things have changed. Thank you. I experienced this pay to play over 10 yrs ago with a metal band my bf was in back in NY. These tiny venues seemed reluctant to have this genre playing and would only let you play if you sold 20 tickets or something ($250 or so) which is basically the band paying for their own ticket, their significant others, and their family members, and their best friend who is there for support. There were almost no actual fans/enthusiasts aside from other bands. This was soooo common.
I’ve been making beats since I was 12. Was a dj for a while and definitely ran into scams trying to reach the level I thought I was ready for. I’m 27 now. Still making beats. But producing with my roommate, friends, and fiancé. (All soon to be bodies of work after 5 years in the making).And anyone who’d wanna give it shot. I always told everyone that we’ll work hard and we’ll make it someday. But we’re all really scared and constantly feel like we’re in limbo in deciding to dedicate our time and effort to being successful in music. We always knew what we wanted but have run into so many shady things, that we just don’t know what direction to go anymore. But this video definitely shedded some light and opened up my mind to a new way. All of this was relatable and incredibly digestible. Thank you for being the 🔌 and mentioning audiomack and how it’s programs work. You’re what the community needs.
Ryan Leslie tried to tell them. Turn your social media followers into paying customers. Interact directly and build relationships. Did they listen nope.
what he proposed was a good idea but his app was only effective for people with large followings who didn't need to maintain actual conversations. you ever tried to talk to 80 ppl in a day? Superphone was a nightmare.
I only play music for myself, but this kind of predatory crap happens to a lot of creative industries. Im in the early days of getting a book published and man do i need to be on high alert about this stuff. The number of people wanting to charge me just for a chance that somebody might read my work is staggering. Regardless, fantastic work as usual Cam!
I never share Spotify links, every artist is doing it on facebook music group. They all are lost,, and when they share their links , Spotify play another song before yours .. they are evil bro.. i focus on Amazon. Now i got a following.
None of your videos have pertained to me personally but I have learned a lot thru them and really enjoy your editing style and ability to breakdown the topics that interest you. Keep it up!
Great breakdown. Especially on the deal side. The internet has brought some balance to this in terms of artist that can hack short form vertical video. But it’s more competitive than ever. There’s also more indie artist making a living than ever before.
i'd agree that there's more making a living than ever before, it's just that the amount of scams (and their effectiveness) has risen at a matching pace, if not faster
Damn. Loving everything you’re putting out and your music is dope. I’m seeing a common thread in your deep dives and would love to see your take on “grind” and “hustle” culture in general. It shows up in all the stuff you’re talking about and always targets any of us who don’t come from privilege.
ima upcoming producer I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALIZED THIS LMAO!!! they'll "aww man your music is so good"....... Im like yea okay when does the pitch start??
Videos like this are so important. I’ve been producing since I was 14 so I’ve run into plenty of these scams. Most recently I had Dave East dm attempting to have me pay him to rap over my beats for “exposure”. I was so disappointed cuz I really rock with him as an artist.
Yet another amazing, informative video; keep it up and keep exposing the ugly underbelly :) As a music fan (nerd), this was SUPER interesting and really important to hear; a lot of people consider streaming to be "the end of the record label" and all the baggage that comes with that, but in reality its just a different scam
I am a metalhead and while I don't know much about metal labels, I do know that metal promotion is pretty old school still. Because of that and the fact it's a niche genre, there is not much room for these inumerable local scams that put bands on playlists no one sees. One of the cool things about metal promotion from the consumer perspective at least is the existence of promotion youtube channels like New Wave of Old School Thrash Metal and Black Metal Promotion. These channels post albums of small-time, lesser known bands from around the world. Every once in a while one band gains traction like BlackBraid. I don't know if there are hip-hop aggregate channels like this, but it sounds like something the scene needs: fan-driven curation.
Hi fellow metal head. Thanks for putting those channels on my radar. I like checking out slam world wide for the same reason. I don’t love slam but it’s great listening to smaller bands that do indeed have some talent. Cheers mate 🤘🏽
I'm an indie author, and the parallels can not be exaggerated, like its the same problems across all forms of art. I'm spamming my friends and family with my work, paying for the cheapest version of social media ads, on the off chance one more person will read my book. There are hoards of fake awards you can pay for, fake reviews, bot systems etc. Trad publishing isn't even doing the marketing for debut authors anymore, you've got to do social media work in the hope you'll go viral (and I am so bad at marketing). The people who succeed aren't good writers, they're people with connections and/or capital. I originally didn't consider trad publishing at all, because they aren't pulling their weight at all. But the point about getting picked up long enough to get an advance and some following, makes me want to reconsider. I'm not going to get a million dollars, but getting your books in barnes and noble is basically only possible if you trad publish. Unfortunately, there's no novelist equivalent of playing a gig at your local dive bar.
thank you for this insight into the parallel world of authors. i recognize the same struggle i endured. as for the equivalent of playing a gig...create it. you referenced going viral on social media; but i can guarantee that the first person to solve making it fun to listen to a book in public while tipsy will be set for life.
might sound far-fetched but i don't think it is. i'm making a lot of 18-35 year olds sit through lectures about finance with these videos, and they contain my music too. there's always another way
Oh ya I fell for these when I was 19. The amount of verified listeners (bots) from North Macedonia that used to slap my music… definitely had the balkans bumping…
i'm in a different area of the arts(illustration) and we've had similar discussions in my sphere; letting new artists know how they industry works, how to freelance, how to avoid being exploited etc. it's really interesting getting some insight into what it's like for musical artists, you did a great job breaking everything down. always wonderful to see artists looking out for each other, great work!🖤
I think the most common scam in music is the local pay to play scam. You either pay like 500 bucks or sell 50 tickets to be an opener for some out of their prime artist, the openers basically pay the headliners fee, and nobody wants to see the openers
I can say firsthand that streams from all streaming platforms don't pay much. My catalog of songs, most of which I own 50% of is just shy of 50 million streams and the money just ain't what it should be. You went to GT with my brother B-Reed and he put me on to your music a long time ago. Keep pushing and congrats on your success.
When you have that delusional friend that thinks their talented... they always acting like a poser... stopping the party and forcing people to listen to their bad singing/music. 😂 Then you get people like me who are talented but have no self esteem because we were abused our entire lives... and fear looking like the person i spoke about above.
@@CamJames I plan to. Its not stage fright cause ive performed live before. Its deeper then that. As a man. Opening up emotionally and connecting to the music (in front of a crowd) is hard when your stuck in "fight or flight" and feel like your under attack. I have trouble controling my emotions. A lot of the songs i sing (and my own) can easily choke me up. If i do manage to end up "in the zone" I feel amazing... but the relief and happiness i feel can also choke me up. Believe it or not. Im a base baritone with 5 octaves and can also do a proper whistle voice like mariah. Its not that im afraid to cry on stage. It's... I can tell when a singer is detached from the music... it just sounds blah. I need to be confident and on point. Because "blah" just dont cut it these days.
For some reason, it’s one thing to be great at deep dives, and another for just standing in random locations Appreciate ya channel and hear to see you grow
We really don't like music like that. They sold us music as a quick path to fame through celebs and media now you got millions and millions of artists on Spotify. Wow.
As one of the two country fans in your audience. I appreciate your recognition of me. While I could care less about rap, I am happy to be remembered as a music genre.
Yo… you have actually fire content. I don’t typically sub, but man you are underrated as hell. Keep up the good work, I can easily see you hitting multimillion subs.
Sheesh bro, i wish i had this info back in the day. Lol As a producer, ive been scammed hella times just trynna see whats real and whats not. Now, i just ask where they heard my music and they start squirming.
Your delivery is on point and how you present yourself is top notch kid. Hope your channel does well and the episodes keep goin. And you funny as hell bro.
Where can we get Mp4s of your music that i can use in my yt videos. I like your music a good bit. Ive been slowly working back through your older videos and have been listening to your music. Id be honored if i could use any of your music in my vids. Id if course credit you and have no interest in changing anything about your original work other than length. If you dont want me using your music for free i understand 100%. Just know i like your music and make no money from my videos. I have no interest in trying to make money of your vids. Id just love to have some good music for my videos that isnt copyright claimed by some random massive companies that probably dont even own the music since i get it from software that claims its free.
what's up man. I got a lot of it on Bandcamp, feel free to use any of those. My music is registered but will allow you to use it if it's caught by UA-cam's system. Thanks for the offer, it's appreciated. Still working on my system
Mate, I've just found your videos and loving your style, but this here is fishy as F. You say it's not an endorsement but it absolutely is. You've just explained for half an hour all the shady practices these companies go through and how they work with artists to bring them bad deals, so when you speak positively about another such service, you inadvertently tell us this one is to be trusted. And then they go right to saying you may get 20-30 years worth of income by going with them and enticing with possible generational wealth. They may be a legit company, but they use the same shady tactics at the end of the day.
The generational wealth section was about what happens when people get deals. It was about labels, not Audiomack. I've used Audiomack and I'm aware of how they operate. Of all the for-profit streaming companies they do the most to advocate for artists. I told you not to take my word for it and to investigate every platform. I have no problem being challenged but please don't put words in my mouth.
Really good stuff Cam! I've always known about the predatory record deal stuff but didn't know anything about all of em "Playlist placement scams" but now I know why sometimes really out of place music makes it onto random Playlist I'd be listening to
19:24 Do a hole vid like this breaking down the business side of more MODERN artists. YOU in the A. Went to college there 🏠. There are a ton of artists there formerly signed to majors. Gon’ and - just as I was typing this, fellow AUC student Ma$e came up. Literally who I was thinkin about. 🤣🤣🤣 A whole vid of you breaking down THEIR music business realities. Publishing giveaways. Synch royalties. I legit chose law school after I interviewed major multiplat artists as assistant A&E editor for my 🏠 college paper, and after local demigods TLC was broke after going diamond chasing gy🤬tdayum waterfalls. Their trajectory was the foundation of my law school thesis a couple years later. That, but with modern artists. The problem with going back to the fifties and sixties is that the whole music business and social landscape was otherworldly different and unrelated to today. Sample clearance wasn’t even a thing until 89, and drums weren’t even copyrighted until the seventies.
Bro I couldn’t add a comment to your video until the third time I reloaded it?? I swear yo, another thing you didn’t touch on but, sure you understand, n already seen? What’s to stop UA-cam (right now in my. Case with u) , or Spotify or whoever, from saying: “well no; you only had 3 streams last month”…when u actually had more? Cause I have and am currently dealing with an artist and PR manager I’m in the middle of mediating with (not even for my music!), another artist- and . Yeah it’s shady…and shit like that happens too , also a lot of radio stations I worked with… don’t even update their playlists to let me know I was played on their radio!! Now what the f%&k are we supposed to do with that?! Just saying , leave that there for now for y’all to think about… Cam, you seem like you and I have a lot of similar viewpoints on things, and then some things, that only a black rap artist, or a white jazz musician, could come collaborate and talk about. I’m definitely appreciative of your videos I just watched the third one I’ve seen of you and I discovered you yesterday.. So. Thank you. Maybe we can get in contact somehow too. Peace from Philadelphia! !
You gotta tell diddy no 😂 Was interested in this one just with all the work you put in as an artist but what I took from this, in a lot of ways, there are more ways now than there ever have been to get put on And more ways than ever to get preyed upon/twisted up in litigation. And as is the case with a LOT of platforms - we need to keep elevating the ones that balances business with FAIR and legitimate opportunity/compensation
thank you for the support and you're right, there's a lot of ways to breakthrough now but just as many (if not more) to get used. gotta be aware and careful
And 17:18 we not gonnna get into the part where I’d keep my publishing. Now my classmates are senior level attorneys on major streaming platforms and film companies. We talking hbcu alum members of D9 (💜 🐶 💛) I mean, I still may need to hit em up. It’s not like I don’t still make music. 🤷🏽♂️
The Beat Down: Music Industry Scams | deep dive$ In today's episode of The Beat Down: Music Industry Scams | deep dive$, we delve into some common scams that plague the music industry, leaving aspiring musicians and established artists alike vulnerable to exploitation. From fake record labels and management companies to rigged music contests and copyright infringement, we expose the tactics used by scammers to prey on unsuspecting talent. Our guests, industry experts and survivors of these scams, share their experiences and offer insights on how to protect oneself from falling prey to these schemes. Tune in to learn how to navigate the music industry with caution and avoid becoming a victim of these scams.
Thank you❤ for exposing the capitalist Machiavelli tactics to extort artist and ruined them Do not fall prey to the clutches of our dystopia society. We need to unionize as artists ✊🏻
Read "NY Times, The Hitless Songwriter". Good article about what it takes to have a hit song. There's an old movie "Wild Guitar" (1962) about scams in the recording industry. I heard that Lesley Gore didn't make a lot of money from her songs that you hear all the time because most of it went to the record label.
I’m an indie musician and I got a message the other day from someone offering to interview me. He only told me it would be $200 after I said “sure, why not.” 🙄 No, I didn’t do it.
Art should be part of the structure of a community, not the means to get out of being part of a community. The individualism of music promotion and marketing is toxic. Good music is social, "scenius" not genius. Physical spaces matter. We need our own physical spaces for culture,, not alcohol businesses with a sideline in humiliating and exploiting artists. Every significant art and music movement has been accompanied by the emergence of new spaces. The internet is not it. It never will be. Music is physical. Waves in air.
the fact that streaming services pay major labels more money while there's "black-box money" - wich means royalties collected from non-registered or faulty registered songs go to this fond and get's shared between major labels. I think only fair thing is user-centric streaming and this black-box money should go to music-schools or something.
I'm so glad I found your channel! You have such a refreshing and unique approach to your content. I also appreciate your choice of topics. Love me a good scam!
Your Lottery video popped up in my feed. I love longer form video essays and deep dives. Love your easy, conversational delivery. Editing is great and you have some real hilarious side comments, hot takes and thoughtful research. Subscribed! looking forward to binging your channel. Thanks for the great information! And it is wild to see the same scams hitting every facet of creatives. truly mind blowing.
Amazing video and points of discussion. Too many artist want to be the best and don't take the time to study the business just as much as the craft. Hopefully the right people see this video!
y'all didn't ask me to upgrade my mic, but I did it anyway. weather was terrible, next one will be both shorter and brighter. i'm out here producing TV episodes now. love to Z for taking the time to feature in this piece!
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We appreciate the effort brother, keep doing the deep dives. Real people, appreciate long videos with high-quality.
You have a WAY! Shit. I’m probably going to need to watch this a couple times cuz the info can probably be cross pollinated into other areas of my life - but I keep getting distracted. You just have a way. I pay more attention next time I watch. 👍
SHORTER?!?!?? Nobody asked for that either! Love your work❤
Funny you say that cuz I was about to ask you upgrade it
yess the new mic is better😉 lol and great video, again!
Its crazy to learn that "getting signed" is just a music label approving you for a loan with really bad terms
essentially. it gets glorified bc of the cash advance and the relatively poor artists who've never seen that much money immediately spend it on material things
This!!!
New legends to replace the old guard.
No. If it was just that most people won't sign cos they or their family members can get bank loans with even better terms. It's the music label's marketing machinery attached to the bad contracts that artists need that makes them sign...
It’s even worse with the indie labels, where the advances aren’t even enough to live on. So you have to keep a job as well as tour, record, sell merch and records, and run social media. There’s the powerful myth that getting signed is going to lead to better opportunities and fortune, but more often than not, artists only exist on a label so that label can stay in business.
i'll be corny and post the joker quote: "if you're good at something, never do it for free" and be DAMN sure you don't pay to do it
Yesss. I've started getting a couple emails from people sending me prices I have to pay to post a piano video promoting them 🤣🤣 1 offered me a piano for free but it's not worth it. Not for free.
Nothing corny about the truth
the accuracy
... ESPECIALLY relatives who offer nothing and expect you to do it for free, value your time and effort.
I lose money on music, but it's cool, hobbies are not meant to make money, I'm a musician, it's what I would do if people hear it or not.
20 years ago (2004), I was making beats and writing decent music. I also got BARS. By luck, I performed at an open mic and was approached by Lou Pearlman. He said he's signing esoteric hip hop artists to Trans Continental Talent, record deals, lawyers, Managers, the whole shabang-bang-bang. Imagine my let down when, after performing my weirdo noise at some INSANE venues, doing radio interviews in cities i've never been to, grinding from nobody to somebody who's not nobody, meeting people "professionally" that i was a fan of and trying to act cool (i'm not), Lou Pearlmans scam fell apart, the office that i used to go to vanised LITERALLY overnight, i couldn't get in contact with anyone about my music, and no one will admit to ever working for this dude. Now one of the members of N'sync made a documentary about the guy, and they completely skipped all the indie/underground artists that got completely done dirty. Shout out to my 71 fans. Ya'll exist, out there somewhere.
wowww. i had no idea he did the same thing to a bunch of smaller acts and indies. damn. that was a great doc but all docs have a specific focus
I didn't know about this either. I know it's a lot easier to get money for a documentary about 'NSync being screwed rather than a bunch of lower profile artists, but maybe someone on UA-cam can take a crack at it someday.
This man is the next big UA-camr in the anti-scam exposer space. The charisma, integrity of the material, the engaging way its presented, the music, and that opening ("AYE" gets me every time) all make this channel such an excellent experience. Lets make this guy HUGE.
The nonchalant delivery of that 'aye' cracks me up every time. This man has delivery down to an art form.
y'all are dope humans. i appreciate the support more than words can explain, and I'm really good with words
This man came out of nowhere and he’s already raising the bar for everyone on the Internet. If he doesn’t have a million subscribers by the end of next year, the only conclusion to draw is that he’s being targeted in a conspiracy to keep him from climbing. I love to see it. Mark my word.
"came out of nowhere" is another way to say overnight success, no? All that hard work he put in before this moment still counts
I appreciate both of y'all, and i know what people mean when they say "out of nowhere", i don't take it as an insult. hopefully this video made it clear that I've worked for this
@@0xggbrnr chill, you are misinterpreting my intent.
Absolutely. I definitely just wanted to express how dope I think it is to see you come in with such high quality production and info. The grind is evident. I'm not actually sure why that other viewer got at me personally, but they're a sign you already have some Stans out there. Straight from the Eminem video, willing to die for you, taking any small thing that sounds off-key and calling the militia for you. Good sign if you ask me. @@CamJames
@@CamJames My guy, you are a legend. Can not wait to see you takeover.
1) I have absolutely no difficulty believing you have significant stage presence. 2) your perspective is so fascinating to me. You're genuinely turning into one of my favorite creators. I've been telling my friends about you.
you're one of my favorite commenters, but don't tell anybody else that.
Bro, I grew up in the music industry. My father started the biggest black music store in the northwestern United States. From 1986 until 2008 that store was a major player in the industry as in the late 80’s & 90’s the labels were trying to build a bigger, stronger black music market in the northwest. We were billboard & sounds a reporters, we participated in payola before anybody knew what it was. Universal was big one for us & I can tell you stories for hours of their business practices. Put it this way, we in the retail industry knew about R.Kelley & Aaliyah’s marriage like 3 months before the public. My father was at the Jack Rapper conference in Miami when Ice Cube & Luke’s crew got into it (ya know, the scene from Straight Outta Compton) & I can say that you’re not wrong about anything you’ve said here & I thank you for this video. It sounds like the game hasn’t changed. Only difference is there doesn’t seem to be as many drug front record labels as there were back then. Trust me, I can tell you the breakdown on No Limit & how they made all that money they did back in the days because I had a front row seat to the shit.
I feel like I’m applauding a lot here. I’m gonna go sit my old ass & let you do your thing for a while. But this one is actually telling the tale of my life from child to adult.
Adding stories like these to the comments gives the viewers better ideas where to research further, who to ask, and how much of the information the public has to take at face value. Seriously, thank you. You’ve added a lot of information for me.
@@biguattipoptropica aww shuck, y’all are welcome. The game is a trip though ain’t it? Like I said it’s a few of us historians who were there & can shed light on a lot. Like billboards stuff, you wouldn’t believe the shit they did. Long story short never trust the billboard charts, they’re all rigged.
Omg can I interview you for a music and news site? I would love to delve deeper into your story. It sounds amazing !
@@RosaX305 yeah man, but set aside some time because family owned that store for 30 plus years. So I got a lot to say on the subject.
Forgive me, but I’m new to this, how do we figure out how get in contact with each other?
YOOOO, that Katt Williams sound bite had me weeeak 🤣🤣. Content is too good!
I saw this comment way before and still it caught me off guard- got str8 to kakkling 🤣🤣🤣
Been on UA-cam about 12 years and barely comment, but at this stage with the amount of low effort tiktoky style slop UA-cam wants to throw at us, you're a welcome change. Interesting pieces that matter. Keep it up 👍👍
this is what my goal was 🎯
The cool thing about content like this is that it's very clear that all the topics aren't just ones you think will get clicks but ones you actually are invested in and care about, and that shows in the quality of these videos. Keep it up man loving the deep dive$ series
you get it. following trends is a losing strategy. thank you!
I'm in Los Angeles and pay to play is the standard here for aspiring musicians unfortunately. Basically how it works for a lot of clubs is that the acts pay to perform and then have to try and get reimbursed by selling their own tickets. There are tons of hole in the wall bars and clubs that make a large percentage of their income that way. As long as folks are desperate enough to pay to get their music heard, there will be folks willing to take advantage of that desperation. I used to think "Well, at least now the internet is allowing artists to self publish their work and get it out that way," but of course that just led to a whole new crop of scams (not to mention theft).
Thanks for putting this out here, and for all you do to try and protect vulnerable people from losing money.
thank you for the support and i can absolutely relate to that desperation to be heard. every major city tries their best to milk us dry and it sucks
If all streams were treated equal, lofi hip hop creators would be billionaires based purely off the backs of teachers playing music in their classrooms 😂
i'd love to see it lol
This guy is so easy to watch and listen to. Like, no filler in his videos, stays on point. I can't do that without a script.
i absolutely have a script, don't be so hard on yourself. I improvise sometimes but the key is to write a script that feels conversational
THIS MAN CANNOT BE STOPPED. Excited to listen to this.
How in the hell don't you have a million subs already. This is top notch work. The Payday Loan scam video was awesome, I didn't expect a followup so soon.
I’m excited to be here
thank you for that man. I'm trying to follow up every couple weeks, i think you might have missed episode three lol
This is also very common in dance and modelling. Like I think wage theft is the most common, being denied food and breaks. But these "agency scams" and performance "showcase" scams are rampant ✋💀🙅♀️
you know, i never thought about the parallels in those arts. I'm sure the scams are crazy in that world too
@@CamJamesi got some stories ✋💀☝️😪 I think also, theres a hierarchy in performing arts and dance is at the bottom. Often the more prestigious/glamorous the job I snag, the worst I will treated 🥺😪🙃
Ha once I did a fashion show and they sold "backstage passes" basically a bunch of C list celebs/rappers paid to handout in the dressing room WHILE we were getting changed.
So youre getting fitted and trying on swimwear while these strange dudes wander around drinking and taking pictures.
Thats where the shenanigans start lol. Thats nothing now, but was a shock to me at the time
Dancers/models see more money and bookings because we are background characters mostly,
The scam is usually to do with how they treat you once you sign the contract. 💀✋
I'd love to get more info on this world, where can i get in touch? Actually hit me in the email in my bio so i don't miss it, there's a lot of comments here
@@CamJames gotcha, yeah its abuse time of year. But im honestly dying to talk about it. Especially with lizzo's dancers suing 👀🤷♂️☝️ people don't beleive them, but I do. Their pain is my pain too.
I currently work as a sponsored athlete for a dance team but im in a Harriet Tubman slave contract 🤷♂️😭💀🙃
Dude I'm really glad to find your channel. Also, as a 43 year old that still makes music but never broke through, I'm honestly not one bit salty that I never got on. The more I learn about the industry the more I'm happy that I never got signed or fell for any tricks.
you and me both. very glad i didn't breakthrough, bc it's happening now in my preferred way. everything happens for a reason
The scam is why I as an entertainer chose to go to law school INSTEAD of chasing my dream. I figured at the very least? I would not have to engage an entertainment attorney as often and more than make up the cost of tuition and time. At most? I’d make a good living and be able to fund my drive to create.
I’m now an employment attorney who used to be a cast member on soul train , an alum of the famous Groundlings School, and a (former?) recording artist. The only thing is, I got my own home studio in a house I own. Some emcees I know that “made it” have nothing of the sort. But when they need me to put my legal eyes on a contract, I got them. Why?
You create danger, you get an attorney provided at no charge.
You create ART, you get robbed. I figure helping out the homies when they do something beautiful is a better use of my edumacation. 🤷🏽♂️
It’s BlackSoultan.
You got a good style and vibe bro. Go ahead and get ya bag and don't be shy about it. Just keep it rooted once you hit 500k or 1 million subs, and don't screw anybody over.
it's a promise.
Great breakdown, Cam. Thank you for allowing me to be part of the piece. 🙏🏽
thanks again for the assistance!
Blood sweat and tears are paying off. Good content with great execution. Post the link to become a channel member in the video descriptions. That may seem like a corny way of support. I can’t see where to become a channel member even though on bigger channels I watch it’s easy to find. God bless
I usually do, erased it on this one accidentally. Good call out and i appreciate the support!
I'm an old head now at 40, but all this stuff caused my disenchantment with the idea of popular music or performing for a living exclusively. There's a living in lessons, production work, and the business side of things, but not for the art. It's so gross. SO gross. Really, session musicians and backing bands are the only performers who are getting an honest living out of it, and there aren't many of them.
And yeah, NEVER PAY TO PLAY. ALWAYS collect from the venue! Talk about venues that have problems paying their artists!!!
Dance is the same im afraid. The more decorated I become and the better the job, the worse the pay and the more binding the NDA and behavior agreements.
Teaching, choreography, and artistic directing a school is the way to go once you get a little stage time under your belt. 😮
I think, the best thing is to focus on achieving representation as an artist to get the good castings and really get working
As someone who rapped from 13-21, and then started making electronic music from 17-24 (my current age), this video hits and should be showed to ANY Aspiring artist. I was kind of wondering why I had never seen anything like this before. The promoters forcing you to sell an absurd number of tickets, getting scammed for features, soundcloud promos, playlisting, etc etc the list goes on. It's crazy how many people try to leech off aspiring artists.
it's a whole industry. everybody wants to use us constantly. glad this had value to you
damn man you're churning out, you must got your whole workflow / content pipeline already established
One reason UA-cam is so great is because of how feasible it is to do independently. There are some issues here and there with having nearly everything be done by bots instead of people, but it beats having tons of corporate middle men and rigged systems
thank you for the support! you're absolutely right, i have no complaints about UA-cam unlike some other creators, it's a gift in my eyes
I mean if we're being honest it really isn't😂. Most if not all of these social media platforms only care about engagement and alot of people on the platform can't keep up with the demands and lose followers. Most popular youtubers have moved to streaming or just do mind numbing bs on here. There are a multitude of black channels like this that are well made and offer alot of insight but they don't get pushed at all
@@apollo105drop some channel recs 😭
25:52 "I don't even think I had the best song in that particular contest, but nobody outperforms me." Found my new mantra today -- nobody outperforms me!
Editing, writing, delivery, everything continues to be top notch
yo thank you for the consistently dope feedback!
16:41 I tried to do this. Already a lawyer, already had two unreleased albums in the bag, and one of these exact same shady labels was willing to put my 💩 out with a 35k advance to “make the album”. That’s nothing, sure, but with the connects I had? Producers, promoters in LA, a studio? We talking 2004 pre iTunes too? The “label” was willing to press and distribute my hard copy CD’s in an era where that was still the pinnacle? I was gonna get free distro and $35k to get the second album mixed and mastered professionally, so when this fly-by-night “label” inevitably skipped on the one album I DO give them, I got the wherewithal and 35k to now be able to gig more and demand more per gig with the second indie “debut” album. The first album I was “scammed out of” would’ve become an asterisk on a wiki bio somewhere in the future. I’m sitting on a JD, connects from the streets to the suites, lyrics - you don’t have to be a signed A lister to be successful and comfortable financially in this game. You can flip 35k in 2004 into consistent revenue per annum if you knew what you were doing. My law school thesis was about the best path going forward for music distro and business, essentially laying out what became iTunes but three years prior. They almost f’d around and made me happy.
But no. The lady who “discovered” me at Debbie Allen Studios wasn’t too bright and negotiated away the advance in exchange for a - get this - American Idol style reality show on PAX that was to double as music videos.
I had LAWYER money, no debt, and connected to an art/media collective in LA’s indie scene. A video was what? 5k tops if you were FANCY? This is back when you’d get 2 vids per album. 35k and a law degree focused on music law would’ve made me my into an indie label by my self! Tf would I have needed their record label for? I knew it wouldn’t have lasted. Just give me the “advance”. Cross collateralize me, sure. All-in points? Ga-head. I had Soleternity and a catalog from the homie from HS with Grammys and a diamond album they ain’t need to know about.
And the lady who “discovered” me, I’d have made her some serious change off the deal, even if she was for dolo and not doing it for me. I know which enemies to keep close in the game.
But it doesn’t work if she TOO is out here falling for dumb 💩. “YOU supposed to be scamming ME, which is fine since I knew how to flip it awready! Then you prove useful as a hustler for ME once we bake this into our own BREAD!” She out here negotiating. “PAX, bih??!?”
Again, I wasn’t tryna be no Kanye. Could’ve been paid and successful without ever being famous. There’s a whole tier of artists who never get signed, never chart, but could clear high five into six figures for DECADES.
Big rap money lasts you less than the options on your contract. You got 1.5-3 years on average. How long Aceyalone stayed at a viable level? Blu? The Coup? The career is in indie, not pop. No one lasts. Look at the charts from 5-10 years ago. Most of those guys are bar tenders and waiters today if they’re still alive. The aim is to go big, then get dropped, then go indie. Most of the game just stays indie. Still a cash business today for them. Their Spotify isn’t ever gonna compete, so their bandcamp sales and iTunes sales hold em. Hipster cassettes. Vinyl collectibles. Then? It’s the tours. That’s the most of their revenue. 🤷🏽♂️
And they don’t ever start with some free 35 thousand dollars.
THIS b🤬ch said “PAX”. 🤦🏽♂️ I’m a contract lawyer from a high ranked school in the entertainment capital. Prince’s lawyer was my boy since freshman year and law school. The 35k was no scam. That part was real, so that was the only part I NEEDED to be real. Lie to me on every other page. Didn’t care.
PAX. Yall may not be old enough to remember that, but imagine PBS but shiny.
The fact that talent is the least important aspect to the business side of the music industry is very telling. But power to all the creatives out there grinding daily for their art! “The revolution will not be televised.”
Another great vid Cam 🙏🏾
thank you mi amigo, gotta keep pushing 🤝🏾
i would've needed a sales pitch to watch a professionally made episode of TV on this topic, but i skipped 30 minutes of the 6ers game to watch your work. i hope you're seeing the kind of growth you need to keep this going, cuz this is primo stuff and i want more
wow. just wow. didn't think i had that kind of importance for anybody. thank you and I'm glad it was worthwhile.
Learned a lot here about how things have changed. Thank you. I experienced this pay to play over 10 yrs ago with a metal band my bf was in back in NY. These tiny venues seemed reluctant to have this genre playing and would only let you play if you sold 20 tickets or something ($250 or so) which is basically the band paying for their own ticket, their significant others, and their family members, and their best friend who is there for support. There were almost no actual fans/enthusiasts aside from other bands. This was soooo common.
performing for other artists is very common. that's how badly ppl want to make it.
I ran into this model in Atlanta for R&B and Hip Hop. It's such a scam.
I’ve been making beats since I was 12. Was a dj for a while and definitely ran into scams trying to reach the level I thought I was ready for. I’m 27 now. Still making beats. But producing with my roommate, friends, and fiancé. (All soon to be bodies of work after 5 years in the making).And anyone who’d wanna give it shot. I always told everyone that we’ll work hard and we’ll make it someday. But we’re all really scared and constantly feel like we’re in limbo in deciding to dedicate our time and effort to being successful in music. We always knew what we wanted but have run into so many shady things, that we just don’t know what direction to go anymore. But this video definitely shedded some light and opened up my mind to a new way. All of this was relatable and incredibly digestible. Thank you for being the 🔌 and mentioning audiomack and how it’s programs work. You’re what the community needs.
super dope that i can be a resource to other creatives, that was the ultimate goal. i believe in y'all and hope the info makes that path more clear
I got halfway through the video, paused, paid full price for some independent artists' albums, and then came back. Thanks for this great video!!
hell yeah, that's what we wanna see!
Ryan Leslie tried to tell them. Turn your social media followers into paying customers. Interact directly and build relationships. Did they listen nope.
what he proposed was a good idea but his app was only effective for people with large followings who didn't need to maintain actual conversations.
you ever tried to talk to 80 ppl in a day? Superphone was a nightmare.
This some quality content bro. I’m only a consumer of music, but this was fascinating to hear
ngl i was gonna warn my sis of all the pitfalls I came across during my starving artist chase in my 20s but you perfectly summed it up 👏
that's the goal 👨🏾🍳
I only play music for myself, but this kind of predatory crap happens to a lot of creative industries. Im in the early days of getting a book published and man do i need to be on high alert about this stuff.
The number of people wanting to charge me just for a chance that somebody might read my work is staggering.
Regardless, fantastic work as usual Cam!
they see us as a payday, that's it.
I never share Spotify links, every artist is doing it on facebook music group. They all are lost,, and when they share their links , Spotify play another song before yours .. they are evil bro.. i focus on Amazon. Now i got a following.
whatever it takes, that's a great point about sharing the links smh. Spotify's free version is the worst
None of your videos have pertained to me personally but I have learned a lot thru them and really enjoy your editing style and ability to breakdown the topics that interest you. Keep it up!
that's the real test, if i can hold people's attention who can't directly relate. thanks for the feedback
Great breakdown. Especially on the deal side. The internet has brought some balance to this in terms of artist that can hack short form vertical video. But it’s more competitive than ever. There’s also more indie artist making a living than ever before.
i'd agree that there's more making a living than ever before, it's just that the amount of scams (and their effectiveness) has risen at a matching pace, if not faster
Damn. Loving everything you’re putting out and your music is dope. I’m seeing a common thread in your deep dives and would love to see your take on “grind” and “hustle” culture in general. It shows up in all the stuff you’re talking about and always targets any of us who don’t come from privilege.
gonna put this in my next deep cut$ episode
@@CamJames 🙏🙏
"but nobody out performs me" fuck yeah dude
Didnt T-Pain get screwed over by a deal too or was he just bad with his money?
a mix of both i think
This video should be played for every college student that’s in music production. Great content man.
thank you fam!
ima upcoming producer I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALIZED THIS LMAO!!! they'll "aww man your music is so good"....... Im like yea okay when does the pitch start??
every time.
Videos like this are so important. I’ve been producing since I was 14 so I’ve run into plenty of these scams. Most recently I had Dave East dm attempting to have me pay him to rap over my beats for “exposure”. I was so disappointed cuz I really rock with him as an artist.
yeah the thing is, that (probably) wasn't even him. he could've approved it though, which is just as bad.
Yet another amazing, informative video; keep it up and keep exposing the ugly underbelly :) As a music fan (nerd), this was SUPER interesting and really important to hear; a lot of people consider streaming to be "the end of the record label" and all the baggage that comes with that, but in reality its just a different scam
thanks for watching and for the dope feedback as per usual, the pursuit continues
30 minute high quality videos now??? YT better run you 100k subs ASAP
lol it's killing me 😂
came from waveform, amazing channel excited to binge everything
thanks for coming over!
Music industry is a filthy business
The entertainment industry is filthy period
I am a metalhead and while I don't know much about metal labels, I do know that metal promotion is pretty old school still. Because of that and the fact it's a niche genre, there is not much room for these inumerable local scams that put bands on playlists no one sees. One of the cool things about metal promotion from the consumer perspective at least is the existence of promotion youtube channels like New Wave of Old School Thrash Metal and Black Metal Promotion. These channels post albums of small-time, lesser known bands from around the world. Every once in a while one band gains traction like BlackBraid. I don't know if there are hip-hop aggregate channels like this, but it sounds like something the scene needs: fan-driven curation.
Hi fellow metal head. Thanks for putting those channels on my radar. I like checking out slam world wide for the same reason. I don’t love slam but it’s great listening to smaller bands that do indeed have some talent. Cheers mate 🤘🏽
Keeping me sane at work bro
glad to help 🫡
I'm an indie author, and the parallels can not be exaggerated, like its the same problems across all forms of art. I'm spamming my friends and family with my work, paying for the cheapest version of social media ads, on the off chance one more person will read my book. There are hoards of fake awards you can pay for, fake reviews, bot systems etc. Trad publishing isn't even doing the marketing for debut authors anymore, you've got to do social media work in the hope you'll go viral (and I am so bad at marketing). The people who succeed aren't good writers, they're people with connections and/or capital.
I originally didn't consider trad publishing at all, because they aren't pulling their weight at all. But the point about getting picked up long enough to get an advance and some following, makes me want to reconsider. I'm not going to get a million dollars, but getting your books in barnes and noble is basically only possible if you trad publish. Unfortunately, there's no novelist equivalent of playing a gig at your local dive bar.
thank you for this insight into the parallel world of authors. i recognize the same struggle i endured. as for the equivalent of playing a gig...create it. you referenced going viral on social media; but i can guarantee that the first person to solve making it fun to listen to a book in public while tipsy will be set for life.
might sound far-fetched but i don't think it is. i'm making a lot of 18-35 year olds sit through lectures about finance with these videos, and they contain my music too. there's always another way
Professional dancer here. Same deal 😮
Oh ya I fell for these when I was 19. The amount of verified listeners (bots) from North Macedonia that used to slap my music… definitely had the balkans bumping…
😂😂
YOU CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE IDEOLOGICAL RATIONALIZATIONS OF THE CORPORATE OVERLORDS, THANKS MATE
yessirr
i'm in a different area of the arts(illustration) and we've had similar discussions in my sphere; letting new artists know how they industry works, how to freelance, how to avoid being exploited etc. it's really interesting getting some insight into what it's like for musical artists, you did a great job breaking everything down. always wonderful to see artists looking out for each other, great work!🖤
thank you for the insight, I've been hearing the same thing across multiple industries unfortunately
I think the most common scam in music is the local pay to play scam. You either pay like 500 bucks or sell 50 tickets to be an opener for some out of their prime artist, the openers basically pay the headliners fee, and nobody wants to see the openers
yep. it's the biggest scam there is because it's foolproof. someone's gonna pay, only question is if it's you or not.
I can say firsthand that streams from all streaming platforms don't pay much. My catalog of songs, most of which I own 50% of is just shy of 50 million streams and the money just ain't what it should be. You went to GT with my brother B-Reed and he put me on to your music a long time ago. Keep pushing and congrats on your success.
aye thank you for coming through, B Reed is the homie. and yeah the money is really disproportionate across the board tbh, it's sad
When you have that delusional friend that thinks their talented... they always acting like a poser... stopping the party and forcing people to listen to their bad singing/music. 😂
Then you get people like me who are talented but have no self esteem because we were abused our entire lives... and fear looking like the person i spoke about above.
sorry to hear it. i hope you've found some help to work through the abuse and make it out the other side. that's a heavy burden to carry.
@@CamJames I plan to. Its not stage fright cause ive performed live before. Its deeper then that.
As a man. Opening up emotionally and connecting to the music (in front of a crowd) is hard when your stuck in "fight or flight" and feel like your under attack.
I have trouble controling my emotions. A lot of the songs i sing (and my own) can easily choke me up.
If i do manage to end up "in the zone" I feel amazing... but the relief and happiness i feel can also choke me up.
Believe it or not. Im a base baritone with 5 octaves and can also do a proper whistle voice like mariah.
Its not that im afraid to cry on stage. It's... I can tell when a singer is detached from the music... it just sounds blah. I need to be confident and on point. Because "blah" just dont cut it these days.
makes a lot of sense. that connection to a performance is crucial and discerning fans can tell the difference
For some reason, it’s one thing to be great at deep dives, and another for just standing in random locations
Appreciate ya channel and hear to see you grow
Listening to this, I gained a new found appreciation for my boring steady 9-5 job. These contracts and industry are exhausting just to listen to.
exactly, it's not for the faint-hearted
industry rule 4080
We really don't like music like that. They sold us music as a quick path to fame through celebs and media now you got millions and millions of artists on Spotify. Wow.
music is not a viable career for most artists anymore due to the devaluing of music
As one of the two country fans in your audience. I appreciate your recognition of me. While I could care less about rap, I am happy to be remembered as a music genre.
equal opportunity deep dive$ 🤠
Yo… you have actually fire content. I don’t typically sub, but man you are underrated as hell. Keep up the good work, I can easily see you hitting multimillion subs.
thank you, i appreciate the vote of confidence 🥂
Pin this comment. With quality content like this and consistent uploads, you're going to be at 100k by this time next year.
took a screenshot
If you're ever in NC hit me up I'll feed you at my family's bbq restaurant! This year is our 75th anniversary!
first, congrats! second, definitely. that sounds amazing.
Sheesh bro, i wish i had this info back in the day. Lol
As a producer, ive been scammed hella times just trynna see whats real and whats not. Now, i just ask where they heard my music and they start squirming.
we all go through it. gotta live and learn and help others avoid it
Your delivery is on point and how you present yourself is top notch kid. Hope your channel does well and the episodes keep goin.
And you funny as hell bro.
thank you for this feedback! incredible to hear frfr
You might bristle at having your work called public education, but it is educating the public. You're going places, boss
not at all, i embrace it. i used to be a substitute teacher
30:32 yeah but the vast majority will not make it. Wise thing to do is have a back up job and do the art because you love it. Things will work out
that's all I've done so far lol
Where can we get Mp4s of your music that i can use in my yt videos. I like your music a good bit. Ive been slowly working back through your older videos and have been listening to your music. Id be honored if i could use any of your music in my vids. Id if course credit you and have no interest in changing anything about your original work other than length. If you dont want me using your music for free i understand 100%. Just know i like your music and make no money from my videos. I have no interest in trying to make money of your vids. Id just love to have some good music for my videos that isnt copyright claimed by some random massive companies that probably dont even own the music since i get it from software that claims its free.
what's up man. I got a lot of it on Bandcamp, feel free to use any of those. My music is registered but will allow you to use it if it's caught by UA-cam's system.
Thanks for the offer, it's appreciated. Still working on my system
Haven't been on that thing in years but here's the link: camjames.bandcamp.com
Thank you sir. Your awesome. Promise I'll always give you credit for your music when I use it for my vids too.
that's all i ask
This man mentioned like 3-4 different ways to get played and then mentioned the 360 deal and I thought he said what it was already 😂
the list is quite long fam 😂
Spent the whole day binging your content, real inspiring and interesting. Thank you!
amazing. thank you for watching 🫡
Mate, I've just found your videos and loving your style, but this here is fishy as F. You say it's not an endorsement but it absolutely is. You've just explained for half an hour all the shady practices these companies go through and how they work with artists to bring them bad deals, so when you speak positively about another such service, you inadvertently tell us this one is to be trusted. And then they go right to saying you may get 20-30 years worth of income by going with them and enticing with possible generational wealth. They may be a legit company, but they use the same shady tactics at the end of the day.
That's not what i said at all. You completely misheard me
The generational wealth section was about what happens when people get deals. It was about labels, not Audiomack.
I've used Audiomack and I'm aware of how they operate. Of all the for-profit streaming companies they do the most to advocate for artists. I told you not to take my word for it and to investigate every platform.
I have no problem being challenged but please don't put words in my mouth.
good vid
thank you 🥂
Really good stuff Cam! I've always known about the predatory record deal stuff but didn't know anything about all of em "Playlist placement scams" but now I know why sometimes really out of place music makes it onto random Playlist I'd be listening to
thank you, and yep...that would be why
😂🤣😂NBA yung boy satans co-sign 🤣🤣🤣!!! That joke was chefs kiss.🔥 & I love some of his music 🎶
that kid is off lol, something odd going on with that one
You should check out the band Periphery. Incredible business savviness on their part.
Your 2 country music fan audience members...its me. I'm one of them ;)
i think it's clear that i have more than two at this point, which is very cool 🤠
How is anyone supposed to succeed? Is anything real? No wonder.
great questions. it's still possible but very difficult
This guy's videos are very high quality
'preciate you boss
Ma$e was from my time. Takes me back.
Lol, guess I make up 50% of your country music fans!😂
apparently i have way more than i thought lol
19:24 Do a hole vid like this breaking down the business side of more MODERN artists. YOU in the A. Went to college there 🏠. There are a ton of artists there formerly signed to majors. Gon’ and - just as I was typing this, fellow AUC student Ma$e came up. Literally who I was thinkin about. 🤣🤣🤣
A whole vid of you breaking down THEIR music business realities. Publishing giveaways. Synch royalties. I legit chose law school after I interviewed major multiplat artists as assistant A&E editor for my 🏠 college paper, and after local demigods TLC was broke after going diamond chasing gy🤬tdayum waterfalls. Their trajectory was the foundation of my law school thesis a couple years later.
That, but with modern artists. The problem with going back to the fifties and sixties is that the whole music business and social landscape was otherworldly different and unrelated to today. Sample clearance wasn’t even a thing until 89, and drums weren’t even copyrighted until the seventies.
Bro I couldn’t add a comment to your video until the third time I reloaded it??
I swear yo, another thing you didn’t touch on but, sure you understand, n already seen?
What’s to stop UA-cam (right now in my. Case with u) , or Spotify or whoever, from saying: “well no; you only had 3 streams last month”…when u actually had more? Cause I have and am currently dealing with an artist and PR manager I’m in the middle of mediating with (not even for my music!), another artist- and . Yeah it’s shady…and shit like that happens too , also a lot of radio stations I worked with… don’t even update their playlists to let me know I was played on their radio!!
Now what the f%&k are we supposed to do with that?!
Just saying , leave that there for now for y’all to think about…
Cam, you seem like you and I have a lot of similar viewpoints on things, and then some things, that only a black rap artist, or a white jazz musician, could come collaborate and talk about. I’m definitely appreciative of your videos I just watched the third one I’ve seen of you and I discovered you yesterday..
So. Thank you. Maybe we can get in contact somehow too.
Peace from Philadelphia! !
You gotta tell diddy no 😂
Was interested in this one just with all the work you put in as an artist but what I took from this, in a lot of ways, there are more ways now than there ever have been to get put on
And more ways than ever to get preyed upon/twisted up in litigation.
And as is the case with a LOT of platforms - we need to keep elevating the ones that balances business with FAIR and legitimate opportunity/compensation
thank you for the support and you're right, there's a lot of ways to breakthrough now but just as many (if not more) to get used. gotta be aware and careful
And 17:18 we not gonnna get into the part where I’d keep my publishing. Now my classmates are senior level attorneys on major streaming platforms and film companies. We talking hbcu alum members of D9 (💜 🐶 💛)
I mean, I still may need to hit em up. It’s not like I don’t still make music. 🤷🏽♂️
The Beat Down: Music Industry Scams | deep dive$
In today's episode of The Beat Down: Music Industry Scams | deep dive$, we delve into some common scams that plague the music industry, leaving aspiring musicians and established artists alike vulnerable to exploitation. From fake record labels and management companies to rigged music contests and copyright infringement, we expose the tactics used by scammers to prey on unsuspecting talent. Our guests, industry experts and survivors of these scams, share their experiences and offer insights on how to protect oneself from falling prey to these schemes. Tune in to learn how to navigate the music industry with caution and avoid becoming a victim of these scams.
Thank you❤ for exposing the capitalist Machiavelli tactics to extort artist and ruined them
Do not fall prey to the clutches of our dystopia society.
We need to unionize as artists ✊🏻
you're very welcome, thanks for being here
Read "NY Times, The Hitless Songwriter". Good article about what it takes to have a hit song. There's an old movie "Wild Guitar" (1962) about scams in the recording industry. I heard that Lesley Gore didn't make a lot of money from her songs that you hear all the time because most of it went to the record label.
I’m an indie musician and I got a message the other day from someone offering to interview me. He only told me it would be $200 after I said “sure, why not.” 🙄 No, I didn’t do it.
slimy af. no ethics whatsoever
Art should be part of the structure of a community, not the means to get out of being part of a community. The individualism of music promotion and marketing is toxic. Good music is social, "scenius" not genius. Physical spaces matter. We need our own physical spaces for culture,, not alcohol businesses with a sideline in humiliating and exploiting artists. Every significant art and music movement has been accompanied by the emergence of new spaces. The internet is not it. It never will be. Music is physical. Waves in air.
the fact that streaming services pay major labels more money while there's "black-box money" - wich means royalties collected from non-registered or faulty registered songs go to this fond and get's shared between major labels. I think only fair thing is user-centric streaming and this black-box money should go to music-schools or something.
I'm not in the music business. However, this valuable information regarding your unique value. Thanks for sharing.
Selling CD's out the trunk isn't a thing anymore?
CDs aren't a thing anymore. Most cars and computers don't have the drive
F.D. Signifier brought me here. Great video, Cam!
welcome, thanks for watching!
I'm so glad I found your channel! You have such a refreshing and unique approach to your content. I also appreciate your choice of topics. Love me a good scam!
Your Lottery video popped up in my feed. I love longer form video essays and deep dives. Love your easy, conversational delivery. Editing is great and you have some real hilarious side comments, hot takes and thoughtful research. Subscribed! looking forward to binging your channel. Thanks for the great information! And it is wild to see the same scams hitting every facet of creatives. truly mind blowing.
thank you, I'm really happy you discovered me. Art has an incredible power to bring ppl together. the feedback is beautiful 🖤
Amazing video and points of discussion. Too many artist want to be the best and don't take the time to study the business just as much as the craft. Hopefully the right people see this video!