Thank you again for such an amazing shooting day and for being such a cool and knowledgeable guy. I genuinely enjoyed getting to hang out for the afternoon. Oh, and thanks for being such a great sport about how often this shoot was on and then off and then on and then off 😂 It was a pleasure to get to meet you.
"...the optics of chasing Taylor Swift off stage while wearing THAT arm band..." I about had a spit take on the imagery provided in this segment. Well, done!
@@wan3416The problem are owners who cut corners by not maintaining them properly. I've seen quite a few blown Hyundai/Kia engines, and 9 times out of 10 the cause of death was improper maintenance, usually extended oil intervals. The only exception were the few remaining Theta engines with manufacturing defects, but even they are getting replaced or rebuilt, and seem to be US-specific.
@@stormix5755 anything over a 3 year loan on a car is absurd to me. I’m seeing 72 month loans now and I couldn’t imagine having a payment still on a 5 year old vehicle
You're absolutely right. I guess the idea is that the type of person who'd want a Civic SI might not be dissuaded from it by a $5500 premium. But the more I think about it, the dumber that rationale is. Because unless you have parents with deep pockets who don't mind making those payments, I feel like even the most reckless twentysomethint would still be thrown off by $5500. It's one of those times where I wish I could have gone back and edited.
I’d love to hear an RCR deep dive on CVTs and how the industry basically broke both their knees before they even started. CVTs are fine transmissions, but the auto makers screwed them over twice. One, CVTs are NOT “sealed transmissions,” they do still need to be serviced. Draining and replacing the fluid takes about as long as an oil change. So long as you change the fluid every 35k or so, they’ll keep on keeping on for hundreds of thousands of miles. Don’t change the fluid and you might be fortunate to get to 100k. Two, all CVTs have false gear changes because that’s what the customer is used to. But that’s not the proper efficient way to run one. The whole point of a CVT is that it’s self-optimizing for the best torque conversion at a given throttle. But that makes the engine “stick in gear” by staying at one rev speed, and people didn’t like that. So they made the CVT less efficient and less powerful just for the sound.
Not directly related to the industry but also something against them, the FIA banned them in F1 so they’d never get the levels of development money that other transmissions received.
I see the move to CVTs across many manufacturers as a purely cost-cutting move. No one seems to like or want them, but that’s what we’re getting more and more. The same is true in the motorcycling world with parallel twins. They’re cheaper to make, so more and more new bikes are getting them instead of inline 4s and v-twins. They make sense in some bikes, but they aren’t loved by most riders.
@@timothycoyne5874 "Nobody wants them" if you only go by UA-cam car channel comments. In the real world, most people are fine. It's always some 18 year-old keyboard warrior arueing with people online about how "they don't want to drive an appliance" and about "soul" etc etc etc. CVT's are like everything else Americans touch, they turned it into a needless and wasteful culture war thing.
@@timothycoyne5874I thought CVTs were a fuel efficiency thing and are actually more expensive than a normal auto. Personally I’m from Europe and I learned to drive with only manual transmissions and have only driven a handful of normal auto transmissions and I hated all of them - they always seems to change gears at the wrong time. I even managed to stall a Volvo S60 auto at a red light somehow?? But now I have a CVT family car and it’s fine. Yeah it’s not fast but I’m never annoyed by it. Press pedal and it goes
There is no way to engineer a cars mechanicals to last just past the warranty. That’s a myth created by people who don’t like to service their vehicles regularly. If you service the vehicle regularly the mechanicals should last beyond 100,000 miles. The proof is the cars that have lasted beyond that. The reality is the people who traditionally bought Kia products weren’t the type to regularly service their vehicles hence the warranty.
I have a confession, I love the Kia Forte. When I was 17 I bought a 2 year old Kia Forte with less than 40k miles for dirt cheap. That car gave me my love for working on cars. Everything was relatively easy to work on, I learned all of the basics. Now I'm a 25 year old mechanic working for Mercedes and theres a Kia Forte5 SX in my driveway. I know I've got trash taste, but man, my Forte's have both given me good memories.
No. That's awesome! Don't let anyone tell you that your love for your car is invalid. It gave you so many great memories. I still drive around my hail damaged Volt because of the memories I have with her, and because I don't have to buy gas often. It was your first car, and all that matters is that YOU love it. Who cares what others think?
I am in my mid 40's and have a good job. I can easily buy an entry-level luxury car and I still chose to buy a 2023 Forte Gt2 over the new Integra that I actually went out to buy. The reason I chose the Forte was because it really was not that much different in regards to performance than the Integra. I actually prefer the dual-clutch transmission over the CVT in the Integra, it had a better-sounding stereo than the Integra and it also had cooled seats. The interior of the Integra felt slightly better and it was also quieter, but I only drive a few miles to work each day and nothing on the highway, so I would rarely take advantage of that feature. The main thing that sold me was when I actually thought about it, it was $10,000 cheaper than a comparable Integra, but it did not feel like it was $10,000 less expensive. I will keep it for a few years and move on to something else, but after a year of ownership and 12,000 miles, I actually still love the car which is very unlike me. I usually get bored with them quickly. But this car reminds me of a time when cars were more fun with the torque steer and slight turbo lag. The drivetrain reminds me of a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T when they were good and turbocharged in the late 90's. In comparison to the Civic Si, the Forte GT is the mid-40-year-old compared to the 20-something Civic. The interior of the Civic Si is so basic feeling, it only comes in a manual, only has red cloth seats that also do not match the black rear seats, no heated or ventilated seats, no highway driving assist, no remote start. There are just tradeoffs that aren't worth it in my opinion even if I think that it is more fun in certain situations.
Bro I'm with you I didn't like his review at all apparently he hasn't checked the car reviews lately here in the USA the Kia Forte GT has been the best car in its price the last 3 years compared against Honda civic, VW GTI and even Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla , not mentioning the Type Rs or the GRs those are different monster , also these Kia Forte GT are very easy to modify a lot of aftermarket parts in the market for this car , I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 😎🔥 and I have done a few modifications to my car and let me tell you it feels like a different car more responsive and faster than before I added more HP lower the suspension upgrade sway bars 🍻 oh boy what a machine 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉 it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@maoinc13 exactly. I see people raving over the new Chevy Trax and I’m just like, but if you aren’t going to get all wheel drive, a Forte is better than a Trax in every aspect and costs the same with way more equipment, way better performance, warranty, and interior build quality. It’s no comparison.
The price point was also a huge factor for me. I was cross shopping this and the Honda Civic Si and this just checked all the boxes for way less money and better % APR than the Si. Overall, it was $200 less per month, thousands less in OTD price, and just as reliable (with the manual transmission option, which I got as well). Easy to mod as well, I have a few videos on how to. Sure, its not as driver focused as the Si, but at the end of the day, I saved thousands of dollars on purchase price and APR. Overall, best bang for the buck.
@@maoinc13 I agree with you, his review was biased from the get go and not a real review. I own a 23 Forte GT and love the car. I owned a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that was used when I got it, and never had one problem with the car, that was my decision to look at the Kia when getting a new car, I also looked at Toyota, have owned 3 over the years, Nissan, Honda, but for the money, this car has every option available option and not one problem. Plus, you see so many Kia and Hyundai on the roads now, they must not be as bad as he claims the brand is.
100% Their old logo was a copy of fords (in the sense that it’s the BRAND name inside an oval) and Hyundais was a copy of Hondas (again, not exact but close)
1:47 "Is this what's hot in the streets?" Definitely not--I tested a 2022 BRZ once, they handed me the keys, said "don't go too far with it", and sent me on my way. By myself. A credit check for a test drive is nuts.
I test drove an 89 probe gt once a few yearsago, they made me leave my license with them as collateral. Which sucked because the car died a mile down the road and I had to walk across the bad part of town just to fetch my damn id.
Over the weekend I went to a rural Ford dealership and they just handed me the keys to a new Mustang GT with the 6 speed manual and just said go have fun, no papers signed or anything.
I'll just let everyone know...this Kia Forte is a reskinned/rebadged (KIA is Hyundai and Hyundai is KIA) 6th gen Hyundai Elantra Sport, its the same platform, drivetrain, everything...which is the same drivetrain out of the first generation Veloster Turbo...this drivetrain has been around for 10 years and this platform is 7 years old (first year being the model year 2017 for the ES). Its a great car, I have an 2018 Elantra Sport with a 6MT, tons of aftermarket support for upgrades and mods. The Elantra Sports are are still out on the road, so these will last just as long
No the 1.6T on the Forte is not the same 1.6T on the Elantra sport. This was something I believed for a long time but I got corrected real quick on the forums plus the forte gt is actually faster than the Elantra sport and the n line. Slightly not a lot but noticeable. At least at stock. But everyone is running jb4 on all those engines now
@@VerryJerry90 the N-Line does use a 1.6L Smartstream Turbo gdi engine but the wiki even says the Forte has a 1.6L Gamma II T-GDI that I know my AD generation Elantra Sport has...so whats the difference? Minor update to the internals/turbo?
@@Matkovic99 I think it’s the turbo that has slight changes. I know the smartstream is newer but the gamma ll is supposedly time and tested. Smartstream has port and direct injection and they’re a bit better at emissions and mpg. Gamma ll only has direct injection
@@VerryJerry90 ok for sure, that makes sense because even the turbo in my Elantra is diff in size and other stuff than both the first and 2nd gen veloster turbo. Ive seen pictures of the 3 together they're all definitely different lol. But yeah like you said the Gamma is pretty time and tested I dont think theyre gonna stop using the basic design of this engine for a while (hopefully)
As a '23 Forte GT owner myself, I feel Roman's sentiment. I bought mine because I needed a dull, predictable, unexciting vehicle with which I could drive to work three days a week. My Roadmaster wagon and my Suzuki Burgman provide me with the automotive self-actualization they've mentioned before; the Forte is a plain white Van Heusen dress shirt. Also the first car I've ever owned that gets XM radio.
I have a 2011 Outback for that purpose. It's less a white Van Heusen and more, like, a purple one with the stainblocker treatment paired with a tie that has raccoons and garbage cans on it. Socially acceptable low-level quirkiness. Like a white girl secretly loving serial killer podcasts, but being really open about it because she knows all the other white girls also love serial killer podcasts. And they just pretend it's weird and quirky in spite of its relative normalcy and blandness. The veneer of kink and deviance is enough in most cases. But in the end of the day, alternative still implies its own kind of normalcy and adherence. If I have to get weird, I have the CB550 and the Tempest.
@@OffTrackProductions Base model Corolla's and Civics were getting "market adjustments" of $3-5k in my area despite the fact that buyers want trucks and SUV's, not sedans. I was unwilling to buy Nissan, Mitsubishi, or domestic. My state job and union also gave me $1,500.00 off the sales price for that particular dealership, plus the cash discount I already got. I don't keep my commuter cars for more than five years anyway - the long-term issues will be someone else's problem.
@@OffTrackProductions My 2 KIAs have been great. 300,000 miles between them without any trouble. My Toyota however, engine took a dirt nap at 70k miles. None are perfect. Even Toyota has had bad vehicles. I had one
I got the same model, just with a 6 speed manual transmission. Had it for about a year now and really hadn't have any issues with it so far. I personally like it. Good on gas, heated seats, good acceleration, and all the bells and whistles. Has about 8000 miles on it now. Wanting to keep it for about 5 years or so. Was debating between this or the Civic Si and decided to pull the trigger on this, thanks to the markups for the Si.
I bought a '22 Civic Si that I owned for a year before it was totaled and bought a '23 Forte GT now. The kia is the far better car. Way more features that honda just didn't include, and the infotainment is sooo much faster in the kia.
Bro obviously you haven't driven a kia car lately this brand has been good for many years then after 2017 when they introduced the GT trim and changed a few of their models like the optima for the K5 and added some rally muscle to the Forte and then added the new Stinger this brand changed in a good way and do not forget kia is Hyundai's little brother and they share a lot of aftermarket parts and technology!!!🚗💯🔥🔥🔥 Now if you check their SUVs and electric ⚡ vehicles are fantastic too by the way the new KIA logo is really nice better than the one they had before what are you talking about mate 🧉🤣🤣🤣 ?
This is the best Roman review yet - it feels like he is really coming into his own with the goofier-styled reviews and getting more comfortable being himself. Keep it up!
Thank you! I do feel like I'm gradually getting my comfortable in developing my own style that is separate from Brian's while still being RCR. Oddly, while going over some old scripts in the archive, I forgot how many of the really twisted lines were mine. So maybe this presentation style always existed in me and I'm just finding a way to bring it out. 😅
My sister in law's 2022 Sorento has been in for warranty repairs 3 times now. It has not been reliable but the customer service has been decent. Kia even covered a couple of her payments.
I'm not sure why but the Sorento has been uniquely bad in the lineup. C&D struggled just as much with theirs. They really screwed something up with that car.
My wife's 2022 Sorento has been perfectly fine at least 3 trips 600 miles round trip, and a cross country trip totaling around 2000 miles, not a single thing wrong with it, drove great, and honestly haven't been impressed with a vehicle as much as that one
I've always liked Roman's reviews ever since he did the RCR story about Lee Iacocca. He's got a really smooth voice that makes the videos easy to listen to. Keep it up, man!
Thank you! I don't always like my voice (especially when I have to listen to it for hours on end while editing 😅), so it means a lot to read such kind words.
I think its a nice contrast to mr regular yelling about hot d*cks and all that. His jokes are hilarious, but it is nice to have a more calm episode every so often
My dad had a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. Engine was ticking around 90k, dealership told him it was normal, nothing to worry about. Right after 100k (when the warranty ends) the engine blew...
Yeah Hyundai and kia are a lot better than they used to be that doesn't make them good unfortunately my friends Elantra n blew its engine at 25k recently
I actually think the new Kia logo is a big improvement. The old one was just about as boring as you could possibly get. The new one is very stylized but since it's just 3 letters, it isn't overdone. The thing is, unlike most brands (of any market, not just vehicles) that change their logo are trying to give the impression of "look how different we are!" to shake off old impressions, but Kia is legitimately actually different than they used to be, for better or worse.
yeah i like the logo. when i first saw a car with that badge it made me do a double-take - "what the hell kinda car is that?" i wondered. when i realized it was a KIA i was genuinely impressed, because the cars finally look _good_ , hell some are even _strikingly_ good looking, despite whatever may lie underneath.
I think the biggest thing is to some people it's confusing to read, to some it looks like a K and then a backwards N instead of KIA --so is the result of making the badge continuous to keep badge costs lower than making individual letters.
Love this review. But I also love the Kia Forte GT manual transmission. It only has the manual option in the highest trim with the 201 horsepower. And it’s $25k Kia is the last car company making a performance car under $25k with a manual and lots of tech. Miss the Fiesta ST, but I’ll take the Kia The only problem I have with it is that it doesn’t come with one of the packages, so you don’t have ventilated seats (this is the cheapest new car with ventilated seats).
As an owner of a GT forte since 2020, I can say that this car has been a true friend to me. It’s a step up from the 2nd gen (owned a 2015 for about 5 years), the acceleration and sport mode is fun, and it has the room and tech that makes it comfortable. My only complaint is that cosmetically, it’s been a nightmare (paint and clear coat just can not survive). This car was a great introduction to the car world for me (mainly because of the turbo, never had one and it excited me) and I’m grateful for it. Lol I’m happy to see you guys finally review it and I wasn’t disappointed!
In 2016 I wanted a fun economical car. Bought a Fiesta ST. Been an absolute blast to drive. Mines fbo and a good tune. Now 7 years later kinda looking at new things, went and drove one of these. If you took my Fiesta and left all the horsepower but somehow siphoned out all the fun, this car is what you would have. I will continue to love and drive the Fiesta until something makes me feel as good or better. Not holding my breath. lol
@@oraclemiata845 I have, definitely not bad definitely super in the right direction. Problem with them is your talkin to mid $30s for a turbo 4cyl.... I just can't make that make sense in my head. More than likely early next year and I'm going to put a larger turbo on my ST and keep it for quite a while
I've got the 19 Veloster R-Spec with the last generation of the 1.6T Gamma before they went to the Gamma 2. Paired up with their 6 speed trans. 62k miles strong, hoping those two together go strong. It's build quality feels good, but it has rattles and creaks since new.
I'm on the Elantra sport facebook group and the 6 speed in those cars (same engine and powertrain as yours) have been reliable. Someone there got 140k miles and tuned theirs to 260 hp on stock internals
Nissan is the official vehicle of "why did you run? You were only going to get a ticket." And Kia is the official brand of "Ma'am you can't be high on prescription medication at your workplace."
Nissan slid way downhill to become like KIA in the last 20 years. I had a 97 Altima, then a 97 Maxima, and now I have a G35 Coupe, and all of them have been great, never did me wrong. Now with CVT issues and bad credit practices Altimas either blow up on some poor family or get driven at 90 with dings everywhere and the spare tire on.
Kia/Hyundai have gotten better over the last 10 years or so to the point where if you can't afford Japanese, then Korea's probably your next safest bet (Just do your research). Also, good luck finding a Civic Si at MSRP, lmao
There is no real comparison of a 7 speed dual clutch tranny to a CVT. And this particular engine gas been widely used in Forte's and Elantras for almost a decade. Your pejudices are showing. And my N-line Elantra routinely wipes SI's, and gets better m.p.g.
I almost got a 2021 Kia Forte GT2 for like $25 I think. At the time CarPlay was a priority and I still enjoy how that generation looks! Cooled and heated seats sub $35k was pretty incredible too!
I remember doing research research when i bought this for my wife and for the money i couldn't find anything close to it . And ended up geting the GT2 version . Only thing we done was added pilot sport all season 4s. But i will like to say a top line corolla in 2021 was more then this was.
What an awesome review, I feel like my Buick century would be perfect for this race to the bottom, the only reason I own it is because of sentimental value
a buick century was a solid car in its day though, and quite reliable by American standards. those old GM v6's had a few well-known intake gasket issues but were otherwise incredibly long-lasting and dead reliable.
@@DeusTex-Mex oh I completely agree, but it’s bland exterior and anemic v6 make for a driving experience akin to recreational Dramamine abuse. Plus the lovely GM slush box is always the weak point on these vehicles, I’ve owned two and they both had transmission problems after awhile
My second car was a 2013 Kia Forte SX sedan. Gunmetal Gray, factory wing and aero package, was sad the sedan SXs were all ATs, but that car never gave me any trouble mechanically outside of the sway bar links wearing out but that was an easy fix. Kept up on my oil changes, flushes, plugs, brakes, and belt replacement, never a hiccup with it. At least until I got T-boned leaving my apartment and the car was totalled 😢 I'd likely still have it today if that dickhead hadn't run the intersection (power was out, no signals). Miss that car so much
You get a cheap car with an amazing warranty that are super cheap? My old man has had only one issue with his older Kia. It sat, and rodents ate the harness. $150 and an hour later with a new harness? Still flawless. If. You. Follow. Suggested. Service.
I would ask this question...why do a review on a car that you are going in biased on the brand and vehicle? The review is not going to be a real review on the car. To me this was a video made to see how his sarcasm and attempted humor is viewed and received by the viewers. I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT and I really enjoy and like the car. Is this car going to compete with a a BMW or a Lexus? of course not, however when the average price for a new car now is in the $40 grand area, this is a lot of car for the $25 to $28 grand range. The other thing some have mentioned here, is routine service on the car is so important to any vehicle. I would say if your really considering this brand or vehicle, this is not the review to watch to help you decide. I mean you can review any vehicle, and if you are already biased on the brand or vehicle, you can find negatives on any of them. So, as an owner of this vehicle, I don't find his review accurate one bit, and most of us don't have an extra $50 to $80 grand to drop on a vehicle, which could have similar complaints of issues or just things you don't like. He is free of course to have and give his own opinion, however this should be clear at the beginning of the video, because some may take this serious and it's not a true review of the car.
I think KIA should take advantage of the logo's resemblance to the Nine Inch Nails logo: _A customer in a KIA showroom is visibly impressed by the body lines and overall design of the car. He stands at the car's rear end and lets out a deep breath as he says, "I want to feel you from the inside." Cut to POV shot of the customer spiritedly driving through twisting roads._
As the owner of a 23 6MT Forte GT, I genuinely love the car for what it is. I've owned it about 4 months, have put 5k miles on it, and it's been a great car so far. I originally looked at a new Civic SI but with the markups that every single ome of them had, I just couldn't justify the price. I managed to get the Forte for MSRP and OTD was right around $26.5k, which was $10k less than any Civic SI within the surrounding few states. I know its not the best performance car whatsoever, but for a little manual daily, its perfect for me🖤
I have a 2022 Kia Forte GT2, and although it is a cheap and affordable econobox, it is fun enough to drive for the most part. My biggest gripe with these cars is the extremely short life span of the DCT. I have 70k miles on mine, and the clutch pack has been replaced 3 times already under warranty. Its sbowing signs of slipping again already, and will be going in within the next couple weeks for another clutch pack replacement. Its a fun quick little car, and has good technology for the price point. It is a car you enjoy while you have a warranty, but you surely want to be getting rid of it before the warranty is up. Oh and lastly, i guess the rate at which these cars depreciate is kinda a bummer as well. My car was only a year old when i asked what the dealer would give me for it, and they offered me literally half of what i paid for the car!! In only one year and 30k later the price was in half.
Honestly i didnt had any mechanical problems with my 2012 hyundai sonata, the only problem was that it was stolen with a usb chord.🙃 Kia and Hyundai have a long way to rebuilt trust with consumers again, especially considering that a lot of insurance companies are refusing to insurance these cars anymore.
The Forte GT is like an ideal package of car for so many. More than enough power for real road driving, light for a modern sedan, and available with a desirable transmission. Its flaws? 1. Its kinda ugly :v (not the graphics, but the shape), 2. It presents itself as a sport hatch, but its truly a tourer. Without that *fizz* like an Si, it will feel lacking. It wouldn’t take much to make it match up, but until such, it will be really a good daily. Nah, to be a true bottom car, few modern day options will suffice, Roman would need someone with 90’s GM, real under thought car type beat. Or a Mitsubishi Mirage. Still not a bad car, but truly an-transport.
The front fascia of the Forte looks like it’s fed up with seeing all the SUVs people are buying. I love it. Also, seeing the entire opening title crawl from Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace in that list was the icing on the cake.
What's funny is I'm the single uncle in my family, but I'm the one with a completely paid for house, multiple vehicles, and a I'll pull in just over $128k this year. Yet somehow I'm the loser because I haven't dated in a decade or procreated yet.
Depends on what a “loser” is to you. You can be rich and be a dick, and you can be poor and be a dick. Same with loser. You can have all the money in the world but if you live at work, talk about women as if they’re property and aren’t willing to ever help someone in need, whether it be monetarily or just in general, you can be put in the category of a loser. Money doesn’t change the person, just what they have access to and their standards. Your personality and character still depict who you are as a person whether you’re doing well for yourself or not.
Own a 22 GT2 and i can honestly say i love the car... other than some minor jerks from the DCT at low speeds, i have no complaints.... lol and am i the only one who likes the new KIA badge design?
@@comboballer ford pampa, gurgel br 800, chevy opala, miura saga, the 2000s vw type 2 (otherwise known as kombi), vw saveiro, not to mention vw brasilia, vw variant, chevy bonanza, chevy d20, chevy a 20 and a 10. I could go on
@@theunknown2733 you only thinking of probably the modern ones. But theres a load of older ones. A truck for an example that was a joint with fiat and alfa romeo called feneme.
How the resale market works for compacts: The person who crossed the Rio Grande 6 months prior asks friend what type of older used car to buy, gets told: "Toyota or Honda, and don't buy anything else". Everyone follows the advice which makes a 15yo 150k miles Civic/Corolla $10,000.
The Hyundai 1.6T and 6-speed manual is great in every car they ever put it in. Seriously fun and underrated drivetrain that's tried and true for over a decade now. About as much fun as you can have in an ordinary everyday "cheap" car.
@@TheRealCatof Bullshit, you're telling me you've never seen an 80's Camaro or Mustang rolling around that's clearly been beat on but's still going, or a Crown Victoria yellow cab with 300,000 miles? Name a specific American car from the last 20 years known not to last 100,000 miles. Hyundai and KIA's reputation for failing is well documented, especially cars with direct injection or CVTs. The owner of my company had an Equus, Hyundai's flagship model at the time, and he was about ready to burn down the dealership.
The 1.6T is used across the KIA lineup and has had success for being reliable. The 7 speed DCT has had problems. Like you said, not unlike any pulley driven CVT. I'd personally choose the 6 speed manual because KIA/Hyundai absolutely refuses to use the much improved 8 speed wet clutch DCT inside the Forte GT.
When you mean the 7-speed dry DCT has had problems, do you mean like refinement issues (it being jerky) or that it has a tendency to fail at low mileage?
It's not that they build it to fail, it's that they know when things wear out and fail then time the warranty to run out. The new tech they cram in cars for fuel economy makes them unreliable: CVT's just aren't good, direct injection leads to carbon build up, start/stop tech is hard on engines, etc.
Hmmmmm... I own a 2009 V6 KIA Sportage that I bought new....since then I have replaced the A/C compressor ( I live in FL) and Master Cylinder along with periodic maintenance, tires etc. It has 125K on the Odo and still runs and looks great. I don't see many on the road these days but I fully expect to drive my KIA for at least another 50-75K trouble-free. The NEW CAR market is absurdly OVERPRICED and the used car Market won't yield another SUV that my KIA can't beat on the Price/Performance curve
This review got a bit too deep in the weeds imo. I wanna know how the car feels, handles, power delivery, etc. Too much presumptive and sidetracked dialogue about the hypothetical buyer of the car. I wanna learn stuff about it, not be fed a bunch of tired prejudice.
Kia has a lower credit approval threshold than Honda or Toyota. They are similar to Chrysler in the 90’s. Stylish cars with questionable build quality that most anyone can acquire if the have a job and are willing to accept a 29.9% interest rate.
I have a 23 silver gt 6 speed, interior is way better than civic, sport mode is fun, boost is almost instant, Harmon Kardon system is nice too with Sirius xm blasting, looks really good when the whole car is tinted, pilot sport tires are awesome, thing handles like it's on rails
As someone who is new to the workforce and is absolutely under their parent’s health insurance and owns a 2023 Kia Forte, i feel incredibly target. Side note, I love my Kia forte. I also have a 2012 Sorento with a 3.5 as well that has 220k miles on it.
Those older Forte sedans have aged REALLY well. Compare the styling to the equivalent early-2010s Corolla and you'd think they were from different centuries.
My partners 2020 sorento has been good until 39k miles the engine went out do to bad piston seal rings from the tractors so it burned off the oil in between oil changes. Which I think there is a lawsuit and recall on this issue.
I remember my friend had a kia fore koup with the turbo in a manual years ago. Awesome car for what is was, but back then that thing literally fell apart in his driveway. He bought the damn thing new too, I know they've changed but meh.
I took a leap of faith in 2019 and bought a GT brand new with like 40 miles on it. Back before covid they couldn't move these things as fast as they wanted so they were selling them for 3-4000 off sticker. I'm not kidding. My Orange manual sunroof equipped GT with brand new michelin pilot sport 4 tires was 23000 sticker and my total loan was 19000 with 500 down. Was a great deal at the time, even came with some free oil changes. The reason I bought it was because I had previously owned the first gen Veloster turbo, and that car was quite fun in the twisties. The new Forte GT did not disappoint, at all really. Especially with the pilot sport 4s. I put 30000 miles on the car without a hiccup before covid hit and I lost my job at the time, ended up selling the car to carvana as they were wanting to pay me more than I owed on the car. Long sotry short, its a decent car if you get the manual. I dont think this review was very fair to kias first good eco box.
Twenty grand for Kia compact? ))) With no automatic transmission? It's not a good deal at all. You got ripped off. I wouldn't even pay sixteen for it. They just overpriced these cars to fool people like you into thinking you've got a good deal.
@@johndong752424K is a huge bargain, especially with premium features such as manual transmission. Or you can pay 40K for a Civic if you want the manual trans
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Hold up, does Roman have a Battlestar Galactica tattoo?
old kia had OEM Mitsubishi engine in it. thats why some made to 200k.
hyundai KIA never made reliable engine or transmission of thire own.
It was a pleasure working with you Mr. Roman I’m glad you somewhat enjoyed my car!!
Thank you again for such an amazing shooting day and for being such a cool and knowledgeable guy. I genuinely enjoyed getting to hang out for the afternoon. Oh, and thanks for being such a great sport about how often this shoot was on and then off and then on and then off 😂 It was a pleasure to get to meet you.
Now modify it you won't regret it lol
Congratulations on purchasing a KN.
@@joels7605lmao so true
@@booyashaka3182 I am pretty sure they had the GT there for as long as the US. I have seen a few reviews for the Canadian GT models.
"...the optics of chasing Taylor Swift off stage while wearing THAT arm band..." I about had a spit take on the imagery provided in this segment. Well, done!
Car enthusiasts are weird. Kia offers an affordable, compact, economical and modestly fast, and available in a DCT or a manual. but "iTs A kIa Derrr"
It’s a great car. For the first 50k miles.
That’s the problem. It’s an Asian Fiat.
It’s still a kia
@@wan3416The problem are owners who cut corners by not maintaining them properly. I've seen quite a few blown Hyundai/Kia engines, and 9 times out of 10 the cause of death was improper maintenance, usually extended oil intervals. The only exception were the few remaining Theta engines with manufacturing defects, but even they are getting replaced or rebuilt, and seem to be US-specific.
@@wan3416 70k miles on ours, the only wrong thing has been ABS sensors and day running lights that burn out a bit too fast.
those are NPCs that should be ignored.
I WANNA C-YA IN A KIA! COME ON DOWN TO KUCKLEMANS.
No joke, where I live there is a dealer called Valley Kia, and that's their commercial song. "We wanna see ya in a Kia. Valley Kia!"
@@BigRedtheGinger I haven't heard it in over a decade.
I wanna see ya in a Kia. Leighton Kia, Brown Daub Kia, Performance Kia, they all use that same slogan around here.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya Kinda makes you feel bad for whoever is singing that over and over
@@BigRedtheGinger definitely
This might be Roman's best review.
Agreed.
Really?! Thank you! I can't wait to make more of these.
bro he went to school with t swift, he’s way more articulate and well spoken yet she rules the world 😅
Agreed!
Thanks for the heads-up
I think you’re underselling how big of a difference $5000 is when you’re talking about $25k vs $30k. That’s 20% and hundreds on a monthly payment
I think a young and dumb person would just take a longer loan 😂
But yeah, $5k is huge to a responsible 25 year old
@@stormix5755 anything over a 3 year loan on a car is absurd to me. I’m seeing 72 month loans now and I couldn’t imagine having a payment still on a 5 year old vehicle
Don't worry you'll lose those savings in resale 💯💪
@@earlscheib7754literally cars worth a 2 day old shit that they forgot to flush
You're absolutely right. I guess the idea is that the type of person who'd want a Civic SI might not be dissuaded from it by a $5500 premium. But the more I think about it, the dumber that rationale is. Because unless you have parents with deep pockets who don't mind making those payments, I feel like even the most reckless twentysomethint would still be thrown off by $5500. It's one of those times where I wish I could have gone back and edited.
I’d love to hear an RCR deep dive on CVTs and how the industry basically broke both their knees before they even started. CVTs are fine transmissions, but the auto makers screwed them over twice.
One, CVTs are NOT “sealed transmissions,” they do still need to be serviced. Draining and replacing the fluid takes about as long as an oil change. So long as you change the fluid every 35k or so, they’ll keep on keeping on for hundreds of thousands of miles. Don’t change the fluid and you might be fortunate to get to 100k.
Two, all CVTs have false gear changes because that’s what the customer is used to. But that’s not the proper efficient way to run one. The whole point of a CVT is that it’s self-optimizing for the best torque conversion at a given throttle. But that makes the engine “stick in gear” by staying at one rev speed, and people didn’t like that. So they made the CVT less efficient and less powerful just for the sound.
Not directly related to the industry but also something against them, the FIA banned them in F1 so they’d never get the levels of development money that other transmissions received.
Toyota hybrid transmissions are the goat.
I see the move to CVTs across many manufacturers as a purely cost-cutting move. No one seems to like or want them, but that’s what we’re getting more and more.
The same is true in the motorcycling world with parallel twins. They’re cheaper to make, so more and more new bikes are getting them instead of inline 4s and v-twins. They make sense in some bikes, but they aren’t loved by most riders.
@@timothycoyne5874 "Nobody wants them" if you only go by UA-cam car channel comments. In the real world, most people are fine. It's always some 18 year-old keyboard warrior arueing with people online about how "they don't want to drive an appliance" and about "soul" etc etc etc. CVT's are like everything else Americans touch, they turned it into a needless and wasteful culture war thing.
@@timothycoyne5874I thought CVTs were a fuel efficiency thing and are actually more expensive than a normal auto.
Personally I’m from Europe and I learned to drive with only manual transmissions and have only driven a handful of normal auto transmissions and I hated all of them - they always seems to change gears at the wrong time. I even managed to stall a Volvo S60 auto at a red light somehow?? But now I have a CVT family car and it’s fine. Yeah it’s not fast but I’m never annoyed by it. Press pedal and it goes
There is no way to engineer a cars mechanicals to last just past the warranty. That’s a myth created by people who don’t like to service their vehicles regularly. If you service the vehicle regularly the mechanicals should last beyond 100,000 miles. The proof is the cars that have lasted beyond that. The reality is the people who traditionally bought Kia products weren’t the type to regularly service their vehicles hence the warranty.
I have a confession, I love the Kia Forte. When I was 17 I bought a 2 year old Kia Forte with less than 40k miles for dirt cheap. That car gave me my love for working on cars. Everything was relatively easy to work on, I learned all of the basics. Now I'm a 25 year old mechanic working for Mercedes and theres a Kia Forte5 SX in my driveway. I know I've got trash taste, but man, my Forte's have both given me good memories.
Yeah you'll graduate from that someday i should clarify i used to work at a Hyundai dealership and the cars were awful
No. That's awesome! Don't let anyone tell you that your love for your car is invalid. It gave you so many great memories. I still drive around my hail damaged Volt because of the memories I have with her, and because I don't have to buy gas often. It was your first car, and all that matters is that YOU love it. Who cares what others think?
I love my 2017 Forte5 SX.
Yeah, a two year old car shouldn't give you a love of working on cars. My 19-year-old Solara gives me a love of never, ever having to lift the hood.
@@fludeball everyone is different. Some people don't want to work on their cars. Some people do.
I am in my mid 40's and have a good job. I can easily buy an entry-level luxury car and I still chose to buy a 2023 Forte Gt2 over the new Integra that I actually went out to buy. The reason I chose the Forte was because it really was not that much different in regards to performance than the Integra. I actually prefer the dual-clutch transmission over the CVT in the Integra, it had a better-sounding stereo than the Integra and it also had cooled seats. The interior of the Integra felt slightly better and it was also quieter, but I only drive a few miles to work each day and nothing on the highway, so I would rarely take advantage of that feature. The main thing that sold me was when I actually thought about it, it was $10,000 cheaper than a comparable Integra, but it did not feel like it was $10,000 less expensive. I will keep it for a few years and move on to something else, but after a year of ownership and 12,000 miles, I actually still love the car which is very unlike me. I usually get bored with them quickly. But this car reminds me of a time when cars were more fun with the torque steer and slight turbo lag. The drivetrain reminds me of a Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T when they were good and turbocharged in the late 90's. In comparison to the Civic Si, the Forte GT is the mid-40-year-old compared to the 20-something Civic. The interior of the Civic Si is so basic feeling, it only comes in a manual, only has red cloth seats that also do not match the black rear seats, no heated or ventilated seats, no highway driving assist, no remote start. There are just tradeoffs that aren't worth it in my opinion even if I think that it is more fun in certain situations.
Bro I'm with you I didn't like his review at all apparently he hasn't checked the car reviews lately here in the USA the Kia Forte GT has been the best car in its price the last 3 years compared against Honda civic, VW GTI and even Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla , not mentioning the Type Rs or the GRs those are different monster , also these Kia Forte GT are very easy to modify a lot of aftermarket parts in the market for this car , I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 😎🔥 and I have done a few modifications to my car and let me tell you it feels like a different car more responsive and faster than before I added more HP lower the suspension upgrade sway bars 🍻 oh boy what a machine 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉 it's 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@maoinc13 exactly. I see people raving over the new Chevy Trax and I’m just like, but if you aren’t going to get all wheel drive, a Forte is better than a Trax in every aspect and costs the same with way more equipment, way better performance, warranty, and interior build quality. It’s no comparison.
@@maoinc13 Agreed!
The price point was also a huge factor for me. I was cross shopping this and the Honda Civic Si and this just checked all the boxes for way less money and better % APR than the Si. Overall, it was $200 less per month, thousands less in OTD price, and just as reliable (with the manual transmission option, which I got as well). Easy to mod as well, I have a few videos on how to. Sure, its not as driver focused as the Si, but at the end of the day, I saved thousands of dollars on purchase price and APR. Overall, best bang for the buck.
@@maoinc13 I agree with you, his review was biased from the get go and not a real review. I own a 23 Forte GT and love the car. I owned a 2008 Hyundai Elantra that was used when I got it, and never had one problem with the car, that was my decision to look at the Kia when getting a new car, I also looked at Toyota, have owned 3 over the years, Nissan, Honda, but for the money, this car has every option available option and not one problem. Plus, you see so many Kia and Hyundai on the roads now, they must not be as bad as he claims the brand is.
This new Kia logo is waaaaaaay better than the old one
100%
Their old logo was a copy of fords (in the sense that it’s the BRAND name inside an oval) and Hyundais was a copy of Hondas (again, not exact but close)
Yes totally. There first time I saw the new logo I had no idea what it brand it was. I quite like it
Can we make my uncle who lives in the attic a regular occurrence?
I dunno he might be getting a job soon...
1:47 "Is this what's hot in the streets?"
Definitely not--I tested a 2022 BRZ once, they handed me the keys, said "don't go too far with it", and sent me on my way. By myself. A credit check for a test drive is nuts.
I test drove an 89 probe gt once a few yearsago, they made me leave my license with them as collateral. Which sucked because the car died a mile down the road and I had to walk across the bad part of town just to fetch my damn id.
@@DrewLSsixSo their policy is to force people to drive without carrying a license? Seems legit.
Over the weekend I went to a rural Ford dealership and they just handed me the keys to a new Mustang GT with the 6 speed manual and just said go have fun, no papers signed or anything.
Literally my exact experience with my gr86. They couldn't wait to give me the keys
@@concinnus if it’s an 89 it’s probably private sale or a really shady used car lot.
I'll just let everyone know...this Kia Forte is a reskinned/rebadged (KIA is Hyundai and Hyundai is KIA) 6th gen Hyundai Elantra Sport, its the same platform, drivetrain, everything...which is the same drivetrain out of the first generation Veloster Turbo...this drivetrain has been around for 10 years and this platform is 7 years old (first year being the model year 2017 for the ES). Its a great car, I have an 2018 Elantra Sport with a 6MT, tons of aftermarket support for upgrades and mods. The Elantra Sports are are still out on the road, so these will last just as long
No the 1.6T on the Forte is not the same 1.6T on the Elantra sport. This was something I believed for a long time but I got corrected real quick on the forums plus the forte gt is actually faster than the Elantra sport and the n line. Slightly not a lot but noticeable. At least at stock. But everyone is running jb4 on all those engines now
@@VerryJerry90 the N-Line does use a 1.6L Smartstream Turbo gdi engine but the wiki even says the Forte has a 1.6L Gamma II T-GDI that I know my AD generation Elantra Sport has...so whats the difference? Minor update to the internals/turbo?
@@Matkovic99 I think it’s the turbo that has slight changes. I know the smartstream is newer but the gamma ll is supposedly time and tested. Smartstream has port and direct injection and they’re a bit better at emissions and mpg. Gamma ll only has direct injection
@@VerryJerry90 ok for sure, that makes sense because even the turbo in my Elantra is diff in size and other stuff than both the first and 2nd gen veloster turbo. Ive seen pictures of the 3 together they're all definitely different lol. But yeah like you said the Gamma is pretty time and tested I dont think theyre gonna stop using the basic design of this engine for a while (hopefully)
As a '23 Forte GT owner myself, I feel Roman's sentiment. I bought mine because I needed a dull, predictable, unexciting vehicle with which I could drive to work three days a week. My Roadmaster wagon and my Suzuki Burgman provide me with the automotive self-actualization they've mentioned before; the Forte is a plain white Van Heusen dress shirt. Also the first car I've ever owned that gets XM radio.
I have a 2011 Outback for that purpose. It's less a white Van Heusen and more, like, a purple one with the stainblocker treatment paired with a tie that has raccoons and garbage cans on it. Socially acceptable low-level quirkiness. Like a white girl secretly loving serial killer podcasts, but being really open about it because she knows all the other white girls also love serial killer podcasts. And they just pretend it's weird and quirky in spite of its relative normalcy and blandness. The veneer of kink and deviance is enough in most cases. But in the end of the day, alternative still implies its own kind of normalcy and adherence.
If I have to get weird, I have the CB550 and the Tempest.
You could've bought a Toyota or something that makes sense, but no you buy a KIA. Do you like expensive repairs or what?
@@OffTrackProductions Base model Corolla's and Civics were getting "market adjustments" of $3-5k in my area despite the fact that buyers want trucks and SUV's, not sedans. I was unwilling to buy Nissan, Mitsubishi, or domestic. My state job and union also gave me $1,500.00 off the sales price for that particular dealership, plus the cash discount I already got. I don't keep my commuter cars for more than five years anyway - the long-term issues will be someone else's problem.
@@OffTrackProductions My 2 KIAs have been great. 300,000 miles between them without any trouble. My Toyota however, engine took a dirt nap at 70k miles. None are perfect. Even Toyota has had bad vehicles. I had one
I hAd tO bUy NeW 😂 no you got sucked in because of the payments. But when it doesn’t work in a few years, the payments will be negligible
I got the same model, just with a 6 speed manual transmission. Had it for about a year now and really hadn't have any issues with it so far. I personally like it. Good on gas, heated seats, good acceleration, and all the bells and whistles. Has about 8000 miles on it now. Wanting to keep it for about 5 years or so. Was debating between this or the Civic Si and decided to pull the trigger on this, thanks to the markups for the Si.
I bought a '22 Civic Si that I owned for a year before it was totaled and bought a '23 Forte GT now. The kia is the far better car. Way more features that honda just didn't include, and the infotainment is sooo much faster in the kia.
Bro obviously you haven't driven a kia car lately this brand has been good for many years then after 2017 when they introduced the GT trim and changed a few of their models like the optima for the K5 and added some rally muscle to the Forte and then added the new Stinger this brand changed in a good way and do not forget kia is Hyundai's little brother and they share a lot of aftermarket parts and technology!!!🚗💯🔥🔥🔥 Now if you check their SUVs and electric ⚡ vehicles are fantastic too by the way the new KIA logo is really nice better than the one they had before what are you talking about mate 🧉🤣🤣🤣 ?
This is the best Roman review yet - it feels like he is really coming into his own with the goofier-styled reviews and getting more comfortable being himself. Keep it up!
Thank you! I do feel like I'm gradually getting my comfortable in developing my own style that is separate from Brian's while still being RCR. Oddly, while going over some old scripts in the archive, I forgot how many of the really twisted lines were mine. So maybe this presentation style always existed in me and I'm just finding a way to bring it out. 😅
@@RegularandRomanhonestly RCR isn't just Bryan.
Its you too.
Always said this.
Your parady tunes would be worthy of an actual album as well.
Did KIA & Hyundai pi$$ in your cereal or something 🤔
My sister in law's 2022 Sorento has been in for warranty repairs 3 times now. It has not been reliable but the customer service has been decent. Kia even covered a couple of her payments.
I'm not sure why but the Sorento has been uniquely bad in the lineup. C&D struggled just as much with theirs. They really screwed something up with that car.
Some kias/Hyundai's just are not as good as others. Every manufacturer has some bad car tho.
My wife's 2022 Sorento has been perfectly fine at least 3 trips 600 miles round trip, and a cross country trip totaling around 2000 miles, not a single thing wrong with it, drove great, and honestly haven't been impressed with a vehicle as much as that one
If Roman wasn’t already set on a used Camry, I’d love to see a series of his journey in finding a new ride
Hell Yea !! Fuck Yea !!
I've always liked Roman's reviews ever since he did the RCR story about Lee Iacocca. He's got a really smooth voice that makes the videos easy to listen to. Keep it up, man!
Thank you! I don't always like my voice (especially when I have to listen to it for hours on end while editing 😅), so it means a lot to read such kind words.
I think its a nice contrast to mr regular yelling about hot d*cks and all that. His jokes are hilarious, but it is nice to have a more calm episode every so often
Best thing about Forte GT is that they are underrated so they hold their value well and not many ppl go looking for them.
Is this Matt Farah's million mile Lexus?
This is not Matt Farah's Million Mile Lexus.
It might be
I wish Roman would present more videos. Its nice getting a balance of both of ya
My dad had a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. Engine was ticking around 90k, dealership told him it was normal, nothing to worry about. Right after 100k (when the warranty ends) the engine blew...
... and the dealership said, engine blowing up at 100k? That's totally normal, most of them do that.
Note: "normal" does not necessarily mean "good"
Yeah Hyundai and kia are a lot better than they used to be that doesn't make them good unfortunately my friends Elantra n blew its engine at 25k recently
At least it didn't catch fire.
I actually think the new Kia logo is a big improvement. The old one was just about as boring as you could possibly get. The new one is very stylized but since it's just 3 letters, it isn't overdone. The thing is, unlike most brands (of any market, not just vehicles) that change their logo are trying to give the impression of "look how different we are!" to shake off old impressions, but Kia is legitimately actually different than they used to be, for better or worse.
yeah i like the logo. when i first saw a car with that badge it made me do a double-take - "what the hell kinda car is that?" i wondered. when i realized it was a KIA i was genuinely impressed, because the cars finally look _good_ , hell some are even _strikingly_ good looking, despite whatever may lie underneath.
I think its just as bad, no one knows what it says. Top google searches are for 'KN car'.
Looks like the Killer Instinct logo.
It just looks like KN
The new logo is a huge upgrade IMO. It's supposed to symbolize new Kia vs old.
I agree. Don't know what their problem is with it. The old Kia logo was terrible, and the new one is at least interesting.
I think the biggest thing is to some people it's confusing to read, to some it looks like a K and then a backwards N instead of KIA --so is the result of making the badge continuous to keep badge costs lower than making individual letters.
I prefer the fake logo kia owners were using to mask the old logo
@@moeanthony9308 They were embarrassed of old Kia.
@@shivpalps7653 hahaha yea no kidding
Love this review. But I also love the Kia Forte GT manual transmission. It only has the manual option in the highest trim with the 201 horsepower. And it’s $25k
Kia is the last car company making a performance car under $25k with a manual and lots of tech. Miss the Fiesta ST, but I’ll take the Kia
The only problem I have with it is that it doesn’t come with one of the packages, so you don’t have ventilated seats (this is the cheapest new car with ventilated seats).
As an owner of a GT forte since 2020, I can say that this car has been a true friend to me. It’s a step up from the 2nd gen (owned a 2015 for about 5 years), the acceleration and sport mode is fun, and it has the room and tech that makes it comfortable. My only complaint is that cosmetically, it’s been a nightmare (paint and clear coat just can not survive). This car was a great introduction to the car world for me (mainly because of the turbo, never had one and it excited me) and I’m grateful for it.
Lol I’m happy to see you guys finally review it and I wasn’t disappointed!
Omg, the Phantom Menace title crawl had me rolling 😂😂😂
I have a 23 GT and it's amazing. I used to have civics and gti and the gt feels way more premium. And it's crazy fast from 40mph and up.
I think your biased in this and the Tuscon review skew your opinion a bit too much.
In 2016 I wanted a fun economical car. Bought a Fiesta ST. Been an absolute blast to drive. Mines fbo and a good tune. Now 7 years later kinda looking at new things, went and drove one of these. If you took my Fiesta and left all the horsepower but somehow siphoned out all the fun, this car is what you would have. I will continue to love and drive the Fiesta until something makes me feel as good or better. Not holding my breath. lol
Drive any Hyundai N product. Thank me later….
@@oraclemiata845 I have, definitely not bad definitely super in the right direction. Problem with them is your talkin to mid $30s for a turbo 4cyl.... I just can't make that make sense in my head. More than likely early next year and I'm going to put a larger turbo on my ST and keep it for quite a while
@@oraclemiata845 My tuned GT will match a stock N, just a base map. Without all the extra cost, handles nearly as good.
I drive a 21 gt2. It's been a solid little car. Plenty of power for a daily, handles great and just enough tech. Let's hope she last 👍
This sounds like the sunfire/cavalier 20 years later.
bro. wtf are you talking about😂😂 i’m jus baffled by how many times you changed subjects😂
I love everyday A-B cars **ALMOST** more than I love performance cars, and Roman's voice makes me shiverrrrrr (and he funny).
This series is sex
I've got the 19 Veloster R-Spec with the last generation of the 1.6T Gamma before they went to the Gamma 2. Paired up with their 6 speed trans. 62k miles strong, hoping those two together go strong.
It's build quality feels good, but it has rattles and creaks since new.
I'm on the Elantra sport facebook group and the 6 speed in those cars (same engine and powertrain as yours) have been reliable. Someone there got 140k miles and tuned theirs to 260 hp on stock internals
Secretly I like it.
P.S. : almost all taxi cars in my country are Kia or Dacia. That must say something about their reliability
Counterpoint KIA had great fleet order deals
Kia has almost the same vibes I have for the Nissan "Look your ok, I just can't trust you with my life (or wallet) is nothing personal"
Nissan is the official vehicle of "why did you run? You were only going to get a ticket." And Kia is the official brand of "Ma'am you can't be high on prescription medication at your workplace."
Nissan slid way downhill to become like KIA in the last 20 years. I had a 97 Altima, then a 97 Maxima, and now I have a G35 Coupe, and all of them have been great, never did me wrong. Now with CVT issues and bad credit practices Altimas either blow up on some poor family or get driven at 90 with dings everywhere and the spare tire on.
Kia/Hyundai have gotten better over the last 10 years or so to the point where if you can't afford Japanese, then Korea's probably your next safest bet (Just do your research).
Also, good luck finding a Civic Si at MSRP, lmao
There is no real comparison of a 7 speed dual clutch tranny to a CVT. And this particular engine gas been widely used in Forte's and Elantras for almost a decade. Your pejudices are showing. And my N-line Elantra routinely wipes SI's, and gets better m.p.g.
yeah i dont know what this guys problem is
I almost got a 2021 Kia Forte GT2 for like $25 I think. At the time CarPlay was a priority and I still enjoy how that generation looks! Cooled and heated seats sub $35k was pretty incredible too!
Honestly I actually quite dig the Forte's styling. It's still good looking while being not "too much" like current Audis and BMWs.
I remember doing research research when i bought this for my wife and for the money i couldn't find anything close to it . And ended up geting the GT2 version . Only thing we done was added pilot sport all season 4s. But i will like to say a top line corolla in 2021 was more then this was.
What an awesome review, I feel like my Buick century would be perfect for this race to the bottom, the only reason I own it is because of sentimental value
a buick century was a solid car in its day though, and quite reliable by American standards. those old GM v6's had a few well-known intake gasket issues but were otherwise incredibly long-lasting and dead reliable.
@@DeusTex-Mex oh I completely agree, but it’s bland exterior and anemic v6 make for a driving experience akin to recreational Dramamine abuse. Plus the lovely GM slush box is always the weak point on these vehicles, I’ve owned two and they both had transmission problems after awhile
My second car was a 2013 Kia Forte SX sedan. Gunmetal Gray, factory wing and aero package, was sad the sedan SXs were all ATs, but that car never gave me any trouble mechanically outside of the sway bar links wearing out but that was an easy fix. Kept up on my oil changes, flushes, plugs, brakes, and belt replacement, never a hiccup with it. At least until I got T-boned leaving my apartment and the car was totalled 😢 I'd likely still have it today if that dickhead hadn't run the intersection (power was out, no signals). Miss that car so much
You get a cheap car with an amazing warranty that are super cheap? My old man has had only one issue with his older Kia. It sat, and rodents ate the harness. $150 and an hour later with a new harness? Still flawless. If. You. Follow. Suggested. Service.
I would ask this question...why do a review on a car that you are going in biased on the brand and vehicle? The review is not going to be a real review on the car. To me this was a video made to see how his sarcasm and attempted humor is viewed and received by the viewers. I own a 2023 Kia Forte GT and I really enjoy and like the car. Is this car going to compete with a a BMW or a Lexus? of course not, however when the average price for a new car now is in the $40 grand area, this is a lot of car for the $25 to $28 grand range. The other thing some have mentioned here, is routine service on the car is so important to any vehicle. I would say if your really considering this brand or vehicle, this is not the review to watch to help you decide. I mean you can review any vehicle, and if you are already biased on the brand or vehicle, you can find negatives on any of them. So, as an owner of this vehicle, I don't find his review accurate one bit, and most of us don't have an extra $50 to $80 grand to drop on a vehicle, which could have similar complaints of issues or just things you don't like. He is free of course to have and give his own opinion, however this should be clear at the beginning of the video, because some may take this serious and it's not a true review of the car.
I think KIA should take advantage of the logo's resemblance to the Nine Inch Nails logo: _A customer in a KIA showroom is visibly impressed by the body lines and overall design of the car. He stands at the car's rear end and lets out a deep breath as he says, "I want to feel you from the inside." Cut to POV shot of the customer spiritedly driving through twisting roads._
That would be rad!
As the owner of a 23 6MT Forte GT, I genuinely love the car for what it is. I've owned it about 4 months, have put 5k miles on it, and it's been a great car so far. I originally looked at a new Civic SI but with the markups that every single ome of them had, I just couldn't justify the price. I managed to get the Forte for MSRP and OTD was right around $26.5k, which was $10k less than any Civic SI within the surrounding few states. I know its not the best performance car whatsoever, but for a little manual daily, its perfect for me🖤
I have a 2022 Kia Forte GT2, and although it is a cheap and affordable econobox, it is fun enough to drive for the most part. My biggest gripe with these cars is the extremely short life span of the DCT. I have 70k miles on mine, and the clutch pack has been replaced 3 times already under warranty. Its sbowing signs of slipping again already, and will be going in within the next couple weeks for another clutch pack replacement.
Its a fun quick little car, and has good technology for the price point. It is a car you enjoy while you have a warranty, but you surely want to be getting rid of it before the warranty is up.
Oh and lastly, i guess the rate at which these cars depreciate is kinda a bummer as well. My car was only a year old when i asked what the dealer would give me for it, and they offered me literally half of what i paid for the car!! In only one year and 30k later the price was in half.
Honestly i didnt had any mechanical problems with my 2012 hyundai sonata, the only problem was that it was stolen with a usb chord.🙃
Kia and Hyundai have a long way to rebuilt trust with consumers again, especially considering that a lot of insurance companies are refusing to insurance these cars anymore.
You went to school with Taylor? Da fuq...
The Forte GT is like an ideal package of car for so many. More than enough power for real road driving, light for a modern sedan, and available with a desirable transmission. Its flaws? 1. Its kinda ugly :v (not the graphics, but the shape), 2. It presents itself as a sport hatch, but its truly a tourer. Without that *fizz* like an Si, it will feel lacking. It wouldn’t take much to make it match up, but until such, it will be really a good daily.
Nah, to be a true bottom car, few modern day options will suffice, Roman would need someone with 90’s GM, real under thought car type beat. Or a Mitsubishi Mirage. Still not a bad car, but truly an-transport.
Get the 6mt Forte GT. Better transmission and it’ll last much longer. Plus it’ll be more fun.
The front fascia of the Forte looks like it’s fed up with seeing all the SUVs people are buying. I love it.
Also, seeing the entire opening title crawl from Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace in that list was the icing on the cake.
$5000 is roughly the difference between a $200/month payment and a $300/month payment so...
What's funny is I'm the single uncle in my family, but I'm the one with a completely paid for house, multiple vehicles, and a I'll pull in just over $128k this year. Yet somehow I'm the loser because I haven't dated in a decade or procreated yet.
Just keep being underestimated by the idiots while quietly excelling. Way less vultures hovering around at your funeral some day
good point. Taken, thank you@@rickywinthrop
Depends on what a “loser” is to you. You can be rich and be a dick, and you can be poor and be a dick. Same with loser. You can have all the money in the world but if you live at work, talk about women as if they’re property and aren’t willing to ever help someone in need, whether it be monetarily or just in general, you can be put in the category of a loser. Money doesn’t change the person, just what they have access to and their standards. Your personality and character still depict who you are as a person whether you’re doing well for yourself or not.
@@toethlef8994 well, whatever magical formula actually attracts women is, I don't have it!
Own a 22 GT2 and i can honestly say i love the car... other than some minor jerks from the DCT at low speeds, i have no complaints.... lol and am i the only one who likes the new KIA badge design?
Weird i have a 2007 kia rio with 228k miles and the only issues it has is the stereo doesnt work and the transmission pan leaks.
Day 3 of asking them to review a brazilian car
those exist?
name 2
@@thebombbird3261The only ones I can remember are the Troller T4 and the Lobini H1, but to find one is like finding a needle in a haystack.
@@comboballer ford pampa, gurgel br 800, chevy opala, miura saga, the 2000s vw type 2 (otherwise known as kombi), vw saveiro, not to mention vw brasilia, vw variant, chevy bonanza, chevy d20, chevy a 20 and a 10. I could go on
@@theunknown2733 you only thinking of probably the modern ones. But theres a load of older ones. A truck for an example that was a joint with fiat and alfa romeo called feneme.
How the resale market works for compacts: The person who crossed the Rio Grande 6 months prior asks friend what type of older used car to buy, gets told: "Toyota or Honda, and don't buy anything else".
Everyone follows the advice which makes a 15yo 150k miles Civic/Corolla $10,000.
Bank toyota
The best used car is an 8 year old lexus
ENOUGH w/ the Roman. This isn’t a hair care subscription bring me MORE Regular.
I wanna see you guys do the 2023 Integra 6MT
at least Kia is trying to make their cars better, and that's because they have no reputation to coast on
The Hyundai 1.6T and 6-speed manual is great in every car they ever put it in. Seriously fun and underrated drivetrain that's tried and true for over a decade now. About as much fun as you can have in an ordinary everyday "cheap" car.
That’s complete nonsense the forte GT is a great car at a reasonable price this is complete garbage
MY kia has been running great since 2020 and its a 2017, and weve asked a lot of it
So it's still a new car.
@@nathanchildress5596 To be fair, if it was American it would have broken down within 3 years.
@@TheRealCatof Bullshit, you're telling me you've never seen an 80's Camaro or Mustang rolling around that's clearly been beat on but's still going, or a Crown Victoria yellow cab with 300,000 miles? Name a specific American car from the last 20 years known not to last 100,000 miles. Hyundai and KIA's reputation for failing is well documented, especially cars with direct injection or CVTs. The owner of my company had an Equus, Hyundai's flagship model at the time, and he was about ready to burn down the dealership.
The 1.6T is used across the KIA lineup and has had success for being reliable. The 7 speed DCT has had problems. Like you said, not unlike any pulley driven CVT. I'd personally choose the 6 speed manual because KIA/Hyundai absolutely refuses to use the much improved 8 speed wet clutch DCT inside the Forte GT.
When you mean the 7-speed dry DCT has had problems, do you mean like refinement issues (it being jerky) or that it has a tendency to fail at low mileage?
It’s pretty mind blowing, and evil how any modern car manufacturer can build their vehicles to start failing right when the warranty ends.
It's not that they build it to fail, it's that they know when things wear out and fail then time the warranty to run out. The new tech they cram in cars for fuel economy makes them unreliable: CVT's just aren't good, direct injection leads to carbon build up, start/stop tech is hard on engines, etc.
That’s capitalism for ya’
As someone who grew up around compacts in the 80s and 90s, we have it good today.
Hmmmmm... I own a 2009 V6 KIA Sportage that I bought new....since then I have replaced the A/C compressor ( I live in FL) and Master Cylinder along with periodic maintenance, tires etc. It has 125K on the Odo and still runs and looks great. I don't see many on the road these days but I fully expect to drive my KIA for at least another 50-75K trouble-free. The NEW CAR market is absurdly OVERPRICED and the used car Market won't yield another SUV that my KIA can't beat on the Price/Performance curve
love to see the other half of RCR doing more videos.
"A place that doesn't do test drives without a credit check"
Yep, that unlocked a core memory
Ford dealer wanted me to make a non refundable down payment before they would let me test drive a Focus. Ended up getting a Forte instead.
“Potential is just wasted energy” thank you for this Roman. I really needed to hear this today.
I have a 2012 Elantra manual, it’s a terrible car to drive but I can’t complain too much I’m at 405000mi. It somehow passed the durability test lol
This review got a bit too deep in the weeds imo. I wanna know how the car feels, handles, power delivery, etc. Too much presumptive and sidetracked dialogue about the hypothetical buyer of the car. I wanna learn stuff about it, not be fed a bunch of tired prejudice.
Exactly!
Roman went to school with Taylor Swift?? So much RCR lore in these Roman episodes
Kia has a lower credit approval threshold than Honda or Toyota. They are similar to Chrysler in the 90’s. Stylish cars with questionable build quality that most anyone can acquire if the have a job and are willing to accept a 29.9% interest rate.
The newer cars have really good build quality. At least any ones with the new logo.
I have a 23 silver gt 6 speed, interior is way better than civic, sport mode is fun, boost is almost instant, Harmon Kardon system is nice too with Sirius xm blasting, looks really good when the whole car is tinted, pilot sport tires are awesome, thing handles like it's on rails
Poor decisions deserve the outcomes they yield. Get a Toyota.
The RCR/Taylor Swift overlap is not something I expected to happen in this universe.
Intro gives off strong Tom Goes to the Mayor vibes
As someone who is new to the workforce and is absolutely under their parent’s health insurance and owns a 2023 Kia Forte, i feel incredibly target. Side note, I love my Kia forte. I also have a 2012 Sorento with a 3.5 as well that has 220k miles on it.
Those older Forte sedans have aged REALLY well. Compare the styling to the equivalent early-2010s Corolla and you'd think they were from different centuries.
My partners 2020 sorento has been good until 39k miles the engine went out do to bad piston seal rings from the tractors so it burned off the oil in between oil changes. Which I think there is a lawsuit and recall on this issue.
I'm assuming they had the 4cyl engine? I have the 2020 Sorento S V6, 30k miles not a problem so far.
Kia and Hyundai have new motors for 2022 n up
@@JustaPersonTryinToHuman365 yes the 4 cylinder model
Wait a minute The Roman went to school with f****** t Swift
Curious if the 6speed would have gotta more love or a better review
Finally a car I own 😂
I remember my friend had a kia fore koup with the turbo in a manual years ago. Awesome car for what is was, but back then that thing literally fell apart in his driveway. He bought the damn thing new too, I know they've changed but meh.
If I had a dollar for everyone asking "whats this new car maker KN? they look good!"
My coworker with a turbo kia has been convinced it’s normal to replace an engine every 2 years. He’s on his third.
One of your best reviews ever. When is a new rcr history thing coming? I always look foward those. Cheers roman ❤🎉
I still have my bought new 2011 Kia.
I took a leap of faith in 2019 and bought a GT brand new with like 40 miles on it. Back before covid they couldn't move these things as fast as they wanted so they were selling them for 3-4000 off sticker. I'm not kidding. My Orange manual sunroof equipped GT with brand new michelin pilot sport 4 tires was 23000 sticker and my total loan was 19000 with 500 down. Was a great deal at the time, even came with some free oil changes. The reason I bought it was because I had previously owned the first gen Veloster turbo, and that car was quite fun in the twisties. The new Forte GT did not disappoint, at all really. Especially with the pilot sport 4s. I put 30000 miles on the car without a hiccup before covid hit and I lost my job at the time, ended up selling the car to carvana as they were wanting to pay me more than I owed on the car. Long sotry short, its a decent car if you get the manual. I dont think this review was very fair to kias first good eco box.
Twenty grand for Kia compact? ))) With no automatic transmission? It's not a good deal at all. You got ripped off. I wouldn't even pay sixteen for it. They just overpriced these cars to fool people like you into thinking you've got a good deal.
@@johndong752424K is a huge bargain, especially with premium features such as manual transmission. Or you can pay 40K for a Civic if you want the manual trans
"People who are new to the workforce but haven't aged out of their parents' healthcare plan" had me side-eyeing my Model 3...
So Taylor Swift drives a KIA? Thank you, Roman for clearing that up.