Let me know your thoughts on this major update to the 2018 wjc investigation. UPDATE: NJ announces that McLeod and Foote are both on leave now as well. So that makes 5 players from this team on leave now.
@@cousinjimmy2638she had a case in 2018 but police closed it in 2019 but it was reopened in 2022 I'm not sure why it was reopened I haven't had a look why yet
@@cousinjimmy2638People who are victims don’t come out with that stuff right away man. It takes time for some to file those reports, sometimes people bury it deep down for years, you don’t have to file these reports on a certain timeline.
Formenton, dube, Hart, now McLeod and Foote all were granted access to leave their respective teams. That can’t be a coincidence that happens to three players within a few days. I expect them to turn themselves in.
10000000000% innocent,the real question is what will happen to the female who lied? she will walk free and that is the only crime that has been committed.
@@mikemcgee3636 OK, but you realize they’re going to get arrested no matter what now. If they’re innocent, the court will handle that. Now it’s just getting the accused arrested, which they said five players have only a week or two to report before there will be a warrants for their arrest
The Habs management shot down the idea of Hart really fast, it was the fans who wanted him. I think it is very likely the league knew names well ahead of time. Also I doubt the league would let any trades with these players go through this year.
This is why your are one of my top hockey channels, because you have talked about this case since the early times, when other sites would not. Good reporting, walking that fine line. You would be my number one channel if you actually discussed all 32 teams, as your intro states. Here is an idea. Why don't you do the Atlantic trade rumors on Mondays, Metropolitan trade rumors on Tuesdays, Central trade rumors on Wednesdays, and Pacific trade rumors on Thursdays. That would spread the rumors among, and give us more info on, all 32 teams.
Thanks for the update Mike! Well.....this tragic story has been dragging on for a long time.....May justice ultimately prevail and the victim find closure.
The only victims here are the people being accused,the police looked into this years ago and found NOTHING,this is just a case of the Me Too Movement where it is ok to ruin lives just for money,if there was a case to be made it would have happened then,not 6 years later,this is nothing more than a political bs cause the "powers" that be demand some heads on the platter and the fact is is white men is just a cherry on top,now what will happen when the truth comes out that she/it lied? Yup NOTHING cause women are above the law,everyone has thier lives ruined and she walks away laughing.
Is it coincidence that 5 members from that 2018 team have been granted a “personal leave” from their current clubs with no other details? Heading to turn themselves in maybe?
This will change the NHL landscape, if the players charged are current standouts on their respective team's rosters. The two names that are complete unknowns could have a seismic impact on the league. Not advocating for these players or sympathizing for them, but for the group as a whole, it has to be a relief that this has finally happened.
so you think they are guilty cause some hoe who wants money says so? How about evidence that wasn't there 6 years ago,funny how they "have it now" seems like a political witch hunt and powers that be just want to punish these players out of envy and nothing else,of course nothing will happen when we find out she lied,no no no must let her walk free cause to hold her accountable would e sexist right?
@@mikemcgee3636Evidence wasn't there six yrs ago bcs HC told the players not to cooperate with the police, some did but did not answer pertinent questions... Evidence wasn't there bcs Scott Smith the president of HC decided to pay the victim $3.5milliom and bury it under the rug...that was what they admitted to when the gov did the investigation into HC....And here we are today bcs of HC shyte hit the fan and Scott Smith is still employed with HC.
It's both a sad day and a good day. Sad, because no one wants to realize that players they rooted for did something reprehensible, but good because hopefully justice will be served.
Last year with the Mitchell Miler debacle in Boston, the nhl is not messing around when it comes to personal conduct. correct me if i am wrong, but when this horrrific story broke wasn’t Cale Maker’s name brought initially if he lnew or had any involvment of the situation?
Eight player total involved, if I am correct with 5 involved in the actually alleged assault; so more names will come out as the cases head to court if they are formerly charged as the other three are witnesses and could be charged at a later date depending on investigation and court process. But seems unlikely at this time.
So the devil's, McLeod and Foote have took indefinite leave of absences because they were apart of the 2018 WJC team. Is this the actions of innocent men?
If you get ordered to turn yourself in for charges you have to do it, not really an indication of innocence or guilt one way or the other. It'll come out during the legal process and if guilty theyll be done in the NHL, as they should be, but gotta go thru the process
@@michaelmignone5869 Done in the NHL? Depends on a whole bunch of factors around the court case since they all could be found guilty and serve no time and be discharged from criminal liability or conditional discharged. Sentence is between 0 time to 10 years in prison but potential mitigating factors also come into play: Minors? First time offender? Remorse? So I don`t know enough about the case to make a statement that all the players will be DONE in the NHL if found guilty. Suspensions; yes likely but again it all depends on the individual verdicts even if this goes to court as they can enter a plea of guilty and have all charges dropped against them. Will be interesting to follow as more information is provided.
It's sad, when so many are condemning it, as if there already found guilty. If it was that obvious than why did it take 6 years for charges? Might seem insensitive but time frames need to be put in place. Not everyone is on, the up and up. For example everyone thought Trevor Bauer was guilty but he was targeted. Let the evidence come out before you throw either side under the bus.
Anyone that’s played any high level of hockey knows there’s a very good chance these rumours are true. Sadly, this type of behaviour was part of the culture for decades. Love to be wrong here but…
Absolute nonsense comment. Teenagers involved in a consensual encounter is way more likely to be true than teenagers sexually assaulting someone. You are very quick to believe someone who has an awful lot to gain by lying. Why can't you wait until the court verdict before deciding their likely guilt.
@@LEV1ATHYN Clearly you’ve never been in a hockey locker room. But moreover, I said very good “chance” not absolutely true. And what statistic are you quoting about teenagers being consensual? That’s your opinion while my comment is simply MY opinion. Why is yours more valid than mine?
@@LEV1ATHYN Kind of like this weasel rapist right? Wonder what daddy Shayne Corson has to say about his good boy Noah. Former Quebec junior hockey player Noah Corson found guilty of sexual assault.... Friday February 9, 2024 The parties are due back in court on May 3 for sentencing.
@@LEV1ATHYN Kind of like this weasel rapist right? Wonder what daddy Shayne Corson has to say about his good boy Noah. Former Quebec junior hockey player Noah Corson found guilty of sexual assault.... Friday February 9, 2024 The parties are due back in court on May 3 for sentencing.
Just read this on the Devils NHL site: "The Devils have released the following statement: "Michael McLeod and Cal Foote have each requested and been granted indefinite leave of absences from the team. The club will have no further comment at this time."
they were all given a timeliine to surrender by the london police .....if there all on leave of absence all at the same time the timeline must be short
Young men need to go through training now days to see how the justice dept. views them vs women . The slack women get vs men is for real . Everytime you go on a date with a female you are putting your life on the line consent at the time or not, esp. after you have est. yourself ,and have some money in the bank. If these guys are guilty so be it judge them. Just in my field of work I see women in a different light the first thing they care about now days is how much money you make , and how to seperate you from it. Why has this case been strung out as long as it has , maybe to give the NHL a black eye even though this happened in an teenager sporting event. There is also the fact when this happened they were unemployed kids , now they have some money to go after.
Sad to say but you need to film EVERYTHING. One thing I never understand in these things. A woman and a man get drunk. The women can't consent because she is drunk, but the man is responsible FOR HIS actions no matter. The fallacy of men and women being equal really needs to be stopped. much more is expected from men from a legal standpoint
They’re all involved in the situation, whether it’s as a witness or a suspect. Giving they are hockey players they are all 100% suspect. Hockey players are very cocky individuals and this fits their type of behaviour. The NHL has failed the victim, which allowed the suspects to make thousands - millions of dollars, so when they players are finally found guilty a fine and suspension isn’t going to matter cause they have the money to pay the fine and they have the money to start a new life.
I agree there is level if entitlement among hockey players but we can say that for all sports. They need to be very careful not to punish these players for past deeds done by players & stay strickly to case.
Ok wait hold on, the NHL has absolutely no control on how long the police investigation is. They have absolutely no authority when it come to the law. Think about it logically, if they did have any influence in that, it would have been MUCH better for the league to not have this go down in the middle of the season. But that didn’t happenZ
I thought the victim in this case already settled for $3.5 million, she consented to be with one of the players and then all hell broke out with other players jumping in. Wouldn't it make sense that all these players had already testified in court?
Over the few years that this has been a thing, Dube was the captain of that team, and he knows what happened and who was involved, but he wasn't involved himself in the incident, and he has been working with the London police. but that is just here say over the years from different outlets.
Right that's why little Dillon took a leave of absence for mental health issues....no matter how much they tried to coerce her into consensual submission, his conscience knows it wasn't consensual...
I'll start this by saying that I have absolutely no inside info of the matter. If Carter Hart was somehow guilty in this on the level of "facing jail time", the amount of nerves he has to play in NHL as a starting goalie are flatout amazing. Personally I probably wouldn't be able to operate even as a human being. And I'll end this by saying that I have absolutely no idea if Carter Hart has absolutely anything to do with this. But hopefully the final truth comes out and in case someone was guilty of something, carries the penalty that they are supposed to carry. I'll be very interested to see what happens.
Carter Hart has made a ton of statements about this situation from my recent readings stating that he believed consent was given, but couldn`t comment any further on the situation but hopes the truth comes out. Two different press conference from last season in Philadelphia so it seems clear that he doesn`t think he did anything wrong. Now the courts decide if he is charged etc...... Also read he took an absence from the team in December when he first learned that he would be charged as he was completely sick, nervous and lost 20lbs!! Not sure if true but suggest that he wasn`t able to operate as human being!!
@@gaikokuhito5574His guilty conscience couldn't handle the truth, that no matter how they tried to coerce her into submitting it was consensual, he knew it wasn't.
Ah, he went around denying and trusting HC president Scott Smith, who instructed the players not to cooperate with the London Police....then there was she was paid out, that in their mind absolved them from sexual assault he thought with his little head.
Man everyone makes mistakes at 17 years old so let's not get to high almighty and pass judgment on people's past alleged mistakes... Remorse & atonement and justifiable reprimand and.or punishments are what's necessary going forward... To be honest, some of the mistakes I made even in my 20s are NOT at all a reflection of who I am today as a human being, so let's take it easy on being so judgmental and talking about lifetime bans, etc...
im still trying to figure out what happened? was she raped? what happened.. because more and more you are seeing these people claiming false allegations or regret a thing they did while drunk.
@@Podcastforthewin they filmed it, she tried to leave and they didnt let her, it went from 1 on 1 to many on 1, so it wasnt a boob grab it was the worst thing you can think of. They all deserve a trial and if its like she said they all deserve jail.
From what I can remember, the victim consented to one player, but others jumped in to rape/sexually assault her. She has already won a civil trial, but I don't know what the burden of proof is in Canada. In the US A 17 year old knows that rape is wrong and should face punishment. The whole nature of criminal punishment is judgment. Once they face their consequences and fulfill them, perhaps they won't face as much judgment. I dated a drug trafficker before the age of 19 and once even went with him on a run. I knew what he was doing was wrong. I knew that my being there with him was wrong. Had I been caught, I would have had to face the consequences and rightfully so. It's been 28 years and I am still judged by some who find out, even if all they know was my own drug use. Even this many years later, I will have to sit down and disclose it to the law schools I am applying to and it could completely derail my new career. When you have this in your past, you just know that someone is going to judge you, no matter how long ago it was. My apologies for the novel.
@@bellememorie This sounds like most well-informed reply in here thus far so ty for that! It's just a bit strange especially for a high-profile case such as this to have the civil trial PRECEDE any criminal proceedings because it's normally vice versa, even in Canada...
Awful convenient that the initial investigation found nothing worthy of pressing charges, but now these guys have money, that it's suddenly an issue. There's likely no way to prove consent all these years later, either.
@@terryxperry I no But the reason you do a Civil suit 1st is all the facts come out. Your team builds a case before you file a criminal suit. I just meant it is to 0 surprise this is happening. As a father I just with it came to light a LONG TIME AGO!
This goes down to the consent laws in Canada, which states a person cannot grant consent if intoxicated. Which has been made very clear in statements from the victim states she was intoxicated.
Let me know your thoughts on this major update to the 2018 wjc investigation. UPDATE: NJ announces that McLeod and Foote are both on leave now as well. So that makes 5 players from this team on leave now.
@@cousinjimmy2638she had a case in 2018 but police closed it in 2019 but it was reopened in 2022 I'm not sure why it was reopened I haven't had a look why yet
It was reopened because Hockey Canada used Federal money/ tax payers money to buy the victim silence.
@@cousinjimmy2638People who are victims don’t come out with that stuff right away man. It takes time for some to file those reports, sometimes people bury it deep down for years, you don’t have to file these reports on a certain timeline.
@@cousinjimmy2638 Spoken like a true SA committing dirtbag. Nice.
@@cousinjimmy2638 You smell your brain dying.
Formenton, dube, Hart, now McLeod and Foote all were granted access to leave their respective teams. That can’t be a coincidence that happens to three players within a few days. I expect them to turn themselves in.
10000000000% innocent,the real question is what will happen to the female who lied? she will walk free and that is the only crime that has been committed.
@@mikemcgee3636 OK, but you realize they’re going to get arrested no matter what now. If they’re innocent, the court will handle that. Now it’s just getting the accused arrested, which they said five players have only a week or two to report before there will be a warrants for their arrest
@mikemcgee3636 And you know this how?
Is that Adam Footes kid you are talking bout? But you are right-that can't be coincidence.
Unfortunately yes.
Also strange is Flyers wanted to move Hart, Habs wanted him, I thought it was strange Hart didnt get traded. Off season Flyers stocked up on goalies.
The Habs management shot down the idea of Hart really fast, it was the fans who wanted him. I think it is very likely the league knew names well ahead of time. Also I doubt the league would let any trades with these players go through this year.
Robyn Doolittle doesnt mess around. She broke the Rob Ford story in Toronto
Is her Dad a Doctor?
She's a troll
Reason for dely is one of accused player attorney wanted to do full audit on Hockey Canada report (which was completed in Nov).
This is why your are one of my top hockey channels, because you have talked about this case since the early times, when other sites would not. Good reporting, walking that fine line.
You would be my number one channel if you actually discussed all 32 teams, as your intro states. Here is an idea. Why don't you do the Atlantic trade rumors on Mondays, Metropolitan trade rumors on Tuesdays, Central trade rumors on Wednesdays, and Pacific trade rumors on Thursdays. That would spread the rumors among, and give us more info on, all 32 teams.
Hopefully he reads your comment.
Thanks for the update Mike!
Well.....this tragic story has been dragging on for a long time.....May justice ultimately prevail and the victim find closure.
The only victims here are the people being accused,the police looked into this years ago and found NOTHING,this is just a case of the Me Too Movement where it is ok to ruin lives just for money,if there was a case to be made it would have happened then,not 6 years later,this is nothing more than a political bs cause the "powers" that be demand some heads on the platter and the fact is is white men is just a cherry on top,now what will happen when the truth comes out that she/it lied? Yup NOTHING cause women are above the law,everyone has thier lives ruined and she walks away laughing.
Well done!! I’ve been waiting for you to break the news!!
Always remember...... Charges do NOT imply they did anything wrong. They are going to have their day in court. Innocent till proven guilty.
Is it coincidence that 5 members from that 2018 team have been granted a “personal leave” from their current clubs with no other details? Heading to turn themselves in maybe?
Appalling. There are no words for the stain on hockey and Hockey Canada.
This will change the NHL landscape, if the players charged are current standouts on their respective team's rosters. The two names that are complete unknowns could have a seismic impact on the league. Not advocating for these players or sympathizing for them, but for the group as a whole, it has to be a relief that this has finally happened.
so you think they are guilty cause some hoe who wants money says so? How about evidence that wasn't there 6 years ago,funny how they "have it now" seems like a political witch hunt and powers that be just want to punish these players out of envy and nothing else,of course nothing will happen when we find out she lied,no no no must let her walk free cause to hold her accountable would e sexist right?
@@mikemcgee3636Evidence wasn't there six yrs ago bcs HC told the players not to cooperate with the police, some did but did not answer pertinent questions...
Evidence wasn't there bcs Scott Smith the president of HC decided to pay the victim $3.5milliom and bury it under the rug...that was what they admitted to when the gov did the investigation into HC....And here we are today bcs of HC shyte hit the fan and Scott Smith is still employed with HC.
McLeod and Foote are apparently not at NJD practice this morning and missed a team event last night. No official statements afaik, though.
It's both a sad day and a good day. Sad, because no one wants to realize that players they rooted for did something reprehensible, but good because hopefully justice will be served.
Kind of like Nichushkin left the Seattle hotel for personal reasons
Last year with the Mitchell Miler debacle in Boston, the nhl is not messing around when it comes to personal conduct. correct me if i am wrong, but when this horrrific story broke wasn’t Cale Maker’s name brought initially if he lnew or had any involvment of the situation?
Eight player total involved, if I am correct with 5 involved in the actually alleged assault; so more names will come out as the cases head to court if they are formerly charged as the other three are witnesses and could be charged at a later date depending on investigation and court process. But seems unlikely at this time.
Formenton also left his team.
So the devil's, McLeod and Foote have took indefinite leave of absences because they were apart of the 2018 WJC team. Is this the actions of innocent men?
If you get ordered to turn yourself in for charges you have to do it, not really an indication of innocence or guilt one way or the other. It'll come out during the legal process and if guilty theyll be done in the NHL, as they should be, but gotta go thru the process
@@michaelmignone5869 Done in the NHL? Depends on a whole bunch of factors around the court case since they all could be found guilty and serve no time and be discharged from criminal liability or conditional discharged. Sentence is between 0 time to 10 years in prison but potential mitigating factors also come into play: Minors? First time offender? Remorse? So I don`t know enough about the case to make a statement that all the players will be DONE in the NHL if found guilty. Suspensions; yes likely but again it all depends on the individual verdicts even if this goes to court as they can enter a plea of guilty and have all charges dropped against them. Will be interesting to follow as more information is provided.
It's sad, when so many are condemning it, as if there already found guilty. If it was that obvious than why did it take 6 years for charges? Might seem insensitive but time frames need to be put in place. Not everyone is on, the up and up. For example everyone thought Trevor Bauer was guilty but he was targeted. Let the evidence come out before you throw either side under the bus.
Because HC was covering someone's a**....and the biggest coward in this is Scott Smith president of Hockey Canada...others resigned bcs of him.
Bettman and the NHL could also suspend the players involved, if they are playing in the NHL pending the court trial outcome.
Bettman is an old boys club macho man....rather than cleaning up the systemic abuse in NHL he praises the sexual offenders.
Robyn Doolittle brings the ruckus 💯. How about a kind word for an indefatigable journalist?
Min 3:00....well da. I've been saying this for about 1.76 months now .
Oh snap!
Anyone that’s played any high level of hockey knows there’s a very good chance these rumours are true. Sadly, this type of behaviour was part of the culture for decades. Love to be wrong here but…
Absolute nonsense comment. Teenagers involved in a consensual encounter is way more likely to be true than teenagers sexually assaulting someone. You are very quick to believe someone who has an awful lot to gain by lying. Why can't you wait until the court verdict before deciding their likely guilt.
@@LEV1ATHYN Clearly you’ve never been in a hockey locker room. But moreover, I said very good “chance” not absolutely true.
And what statistic are you quoting about teenagers being consensual? That’s your opinion while my comment is simply MY opinion. Why is yours more valid than mine?
@@LEV1ATHYN
Kind of like this weasel rapist right?
Wonder what daddy Shayne Corson has to say about his good boy Noah.
Former Quebec junior hockey player Noah Corson found guilty of sexual assault.... Friday February 9, 2024
The parties are due back in court on May 3 for sentencing.
@@LEV1ATHYN
Kind of like this weasel rapist right?
Wonder what daddy Shayne Corson has to say about his good boy Noah.
Former Quebec junior hockey player Noah Corson found guilty of sexual assault.... Friday February 9, 2024
The parties are due back in court on May 3 for sentencing.
snitches get ditches, you are going to see players speak to save their own skin
Ah, no. snitches get immunity or a reduced sentences
Just read this on the Devils NHL site:
"The Devils have released the following statement:
"Michael McLeod and Cal Foote have each requested and been granted indefinite leave of absences from the team. The club will have no further comment at this time."
I'm sure that teammates not involved are looking for their own freedom pass and release from this investigation ?
No. The teammates that weren't involved are witnesses to a crime and should testify on the matter
Obviously innocent till proven guilty, but if this is proven true as a flyer fan it would be hard for me to accept this
this is crazy news in 2024!!!! years later....
they were all given a timeliine to surrender by the london police .....if there all on leave of absence all at the same time the timeline must be short
formenton who has a great season for ambri will get fired today from what i hear.
Also...in lighter news utah jazz's parent company have put a request in to be an expansion franchise...
Incredible that you work so hard to get where they are and then sh*t it away. Just disgusting!
WTF? Oh, this is bad news,boy,oh,boy
Hmmm
Young men need to go through training now days to see how the justice dept. views them vs women . The slack women get vs men is for real . Everytime you go on a date with a female you are putting your life on the line consent at the time or not, esp. after you have est. yourself ,and have some money in the bank. If these guys are guilty so be it judge them. Just in my field of work I see women in a different light the first thing they care about now days is how much money you make , and how to seperate you from it. Why has this case been strung out as long as it has , maybe to give the NHL a black eye even though this happened in an teenager sporting event. There is also the fact when this happened they were unemployed kids , now they have some money to go after.
Sad to say but you need to film EVERYTHING. One thing I never understand in these things. A woman and a man get drunk. The women can't consent because she is drunk, but the man is responsible FOR HIS actions no matter. The fallacy of men and women being equal really needs to be stopped. much more is expected from men from a legal standpoint
They’re all involved in the situation, whether it’s as a witness or a suspect. Giving they are hockey players they are all 100% suspect. Hockey players are very cocky individuals and this fits their type of behaviour. The NHL has failed the victim, which allowed the suspects to make thousands - millions of dollars, so when they players are finally found guilty a fine and suspension isn’t going to matter cause they have the money to pay the fine and they have the money to start a new life.
I agree there is level if entitlement among hockey players but we can say that for all sports. They need to be very careful not to punish these players for past deeds done by players & stay strickly to case.
Ok wait hold on, the NHL has absolutely no control on how long the police investigation is. They have absolutely no authority when it come to the law.
Think about it logically, if they did have any influence in that, it would have been MUCH better for the league to not have this go down in the middle of the season. But that didn’t happenZ
I thought the victim in this case already settled for $3.5 million, she consented to be with one of the players and then all hell broke out with other players jumping in. Wouldn't it make sense that all these players had already testified in court?
Bro they need to be put in prison if they did this
Civil case does not equal criminal. Prison for them if guilty.
Those are 2 different types of cases, one is civil and one is legal.
Being intoxicated and outnumbered at least 5 to 1 doesn’t equal consent…
Over the few years that this has been a thing, Dube was the captain of that team, and he knows what happened and who was involved, but he wasn't involved himself in the incident, and he has been working with the London police. but that is just here say over the years from different outlets.
Right that's why little Dillon took a leave of absence for mental health issues....no matter how much they tried to coerce her into consensual submission, his conscience knows it wasn't consensual...
Media shouldn't be allowed to use names of accused until found guilty...
They are all white men so rules are applied differntly, the media only protects non whites
i feel bad for the mcloud on the oilers hes probably gettign hammered with messages thinking hes the one on the devils
It is his older brother.
I'll start this by saying that I have absolutely no inside info of the matter.
If Carter Hart was somehow guilty in this on the level of "facing jail time", the amount of nerves he has to play in NHL as a starting goalie are flatout amazing. Personally I probably wouldn't be able to operate even as a human being.
And I'll end this by saying that I have absolutely no idea if Carter Hart has absolutely anything to do with this.
But hopefully the final truth comes out and in case someone was guilty of something, carries the penalty that they are supposed to carry. I'll be very interested to see what happens.
Carter Hart has made a ton of statements about this situation from my recent readings stating that he believed consent was given, but couldn`t comment any further on the situation but hopes the truth comes out. Two different press conference from last season in Philadelphia so it seems clear that he doesn`t think he did anything wrong. Now the courts decide if he is charged etc......
Also read he took an absence from the team in December when he first learned that he would be charged as he was completely sick, nervous and lost 20lbs!! Not sure if true but suggest that he wasn`t able to operate as human being!!
@@gaikokuhito5574His guilty conscience couldn't handle the truth, that no matter how they tried to coerce her into submitting it was consensual, he knew it wasn't.
Ah, he went around denying and trusting HC president Scott Smith, who instructed the players not to cooperate with the London Police....then there was she was paid out, that in their mind absolved them from sexual assault he thought with his little head.
Man everyone makes mistakes at 17 years old so let's not get to high almighty and pass judgment on people's past alleged mistakes... Remorse & atonement and justifiable reprimand and.or punishments are what's necessary going forward... To be honest, some of the mistakes I made even in my 20s are NOT at all a reflection of who I am today as a human being, so let's take it easy on being so judgmental and talking about lifetime bans, etc...
im still trying to figure out what happened? was she raped? what happened.. because more and more you are seeing these people claiming false allegations or regret a thing they did while drunk.
@@Podcastforthewin they filmed it, she tried to leave and they didnt let her, it went from 1 on 1 to many on 1, so it wasnt a boob grab it was the worst thing you can think of. They all deserve a trial and if its like she said they all deserve jail.
From what I can remember, the victim consented to one player, but others jumped in to rape/sexually assault her. She has already won a civil trial, but I don't know what the burden of proof is in Canada. In the US A 17 year old knows that rape is wrong and should face punishment. The whole nature of criminal punishment is judgment. Once they face their consequences and fulfill them, perhaps they won't face as much judgment. I dated a drug trafficker before the age of 19 and once even went with him on a run. I knew what he was doing was wrong. I knew that my being there with him was wrong. Had I been caught, I would have had to face the consequences and rightfully so. It's been 28 years and I am still judged by some who find out, even if all they know was my own drug use. Even this many years later, I will have to sit down and disclose it to the law schools I am applying to and it could completely derail my new career. When you have this in your past, you just know that someone is going to judge you, no matter how long ago it was.
My apologies for the novel.
@@nationalist818 thank you
@@bellememorie This sounds like most well-informed reply in here thus far so ty for that! It's just a bit strange especially for a high-profile case such as this to have the civil trial PRECEDE any criminal proceedings because it's normally vice versa, even in Canada...
I can not believe that these players will be allowed not to play in the NHL ever again.
Who says they actually did anything wrong? It may have very well been consensual, and now these guys have the money to go after them.
@twillison8824 dude, don't say something so dumb and ignorant..
@@cowbelltm holy crap your comment made zero sense. Did you fail basic comprehension in elementary school and couldn't recover?
why did ottawa single out formenten? batherson was part of that group as well. michael mcleod and jake bean to be requesting a leave of absence soon?
Batherson hasn't been accused of anything, and obviously Formenton was.
...the obvious answer is Drake wasn't part of it 😂
its been rumored he was the one who walked thinking they were having a pizza party and was willing to speak to the cops .@@sens_outlook
Innocent until proven guilty!!!!
Innocent people don't lawyer up
I could care less about this story
Awful convenient that the initial investigation found nothing worthy of pressing charges, but now these guys have money, that it's suddenly an issue. There's likely no way to prove consent all these years later, either.
Are you dumb or dumb
They already lost a civil suit!!
No surprise this was going to follow!
@Shakes-P no she sue hockey Canada not the players.
@@terryxperry I no
But the reason you do a Civil suit 1st is all the facts come out. Your team builds a case before you file a criminal suit.
I just meant it is to 0 surprise this is happening. As a father I just with it came to light a LONG TIME AGO!
@Shakes-P she should have sue the players too. That all I am saying. As for the players getting charged . They will have there day in court.
Ban and Jail all 5. lifetime ban from NHL. damn ANIMALS
What about her when they prove she lied? Damn animal should be jailed for life.
Does no one consider this young lady here in London knew exactly what she was doing? Absolved of any responsibility because she’s a lady. Equality 👏🏻
"No means No", bud
This goes down to the consent laws in Canada, which states a person cannot grant consent if intoxicated. Which has been made very clear in statements from the victim states she was intoxicated.
HOCKEY CANADA IS NOE LIKE THE EPSTEIN GROUP
Ryan McLeod
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Yeah but what about the 🌈 and all those transgender hockey players? Isn’t that more important?
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Whataboutism and deflection isn't a defense