2024 Miata Soft Top VS RF: One Miata is not like the other (Driving Impressions)
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2024
- 2024 Miata Grand Touring Soft Top VS RF Club (Brembo and Recaro): One Miata is not like the other (Driving Impressions)
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If I was in the market I’d get that hard top. Only because you can’t park that soft top on the street in NY. Between the haters and the crackheads there’s gonna be trouble.
😆😆😆 @ crackheads. Lemme park mines in the garage from now on
Is soft top better in other states outside New York?
@@johnfeliciano585 I’d say yes because you get more of a convertible roadster experience. RF roof is not as wide open. Plus the RF roof adds weight and complexity.
@@salimrandall Don't forget the visibility in the RF is really bad.
@@johnfeliciano585 There are a lot of considerations for impracticality - fabric top is louder, requires different cleaning than the body, has obvious concerns of vandalism, etc. But I wouldn't say these negatives should deter you from enjoying a full top-down experience if that is what you desire. Bad shit will happen regardless of which version you get.
I have not parked in really sketchy neighborhoods, but never had issues with people being assholes for 1 year, even including days where I park the car top down. Leaving my ST outside in Michigan winter for a month sucked, but no more sucky than with a fixed roof car, really.
The RF is pleasing to the eye . 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 the candy apple red /Soul Red is an eye opener!
Yessir!
Thanks so much for doing this comparison! I’ve been waffling back and forth about soft top vs. RF, so this was great to see. I’m a Mazda lover, and I think I need the RF as my next car. Zoom zoom!
I’m glad it could help
I luv Marzda Miata/MX5, rear wheel drive, lightweight, stick, Japanese, affordable ..... perfect car👍
The club looked like it was a little rough on the highway - it seemed like it was bouncing around a little more. Did you notice a difference? Anyway, when I sold my Lotus Elise about 14 years ago I swore I would get a Miata someday and enjoy a true convertible (as opposed to a Targa). Long story short - my RF Club should be delivered in the next couple weeks. I couldn't resist that side profile after all - it's a beautiful car.
That's exactly how it felt. It was definitely more rough. I don't blame you man. That side profile is attractive. Congrats
The soft top vs RF debate will rage on forever, but for my money, it's the soft top all the way. The RF does look a bit more exotic, is quieter with top closed and offers more security against break-in, but that's about it. The soft top has many more advantages... it's 100+ lbs lighter, simple/fast top operation, far less top open wind noise, it's a true open air roadster, far better visibility, less expensive, etc. In my opinion, the soft top Miata is exactly what a pure roadster should be, but fortunately we have both to choose from...to each their own! I owned a ND2 GT manual soft top for a couple years and I absolutely loved that car. Planning to buy the same model ND3 within the next couple years before the hybrid NE comes out.
great reviews thanks...answers a lot of my questions..
Loved this review, great video.
Thanks for taking us along for a ride!!❤
Any time!
dude i’m digging your channel! love your perspective and your content is super on point!
I definitely appreciate the kind words. More to come
I really enjoy your content! Thank you! I just bought a 2024 Miata GT soft top a few weeks ago, and I absolutely love it! I’m always looking for an excuse to drive it.
Thanks a lot! I need top drive mines more. So much rain here
Thanks for the video, only a handful of back to back comparisons out there.
Thats interesting to note the difference in brake feel, not many people touch on that. I do wish the RF Club, already being the most expensive Miata, had some of the GT features, I'm curious how well the adaptive headlights work on the GT.
The wind buffeting does concern me but these days I wear musician style ear plugs when the windows are down on the highway on my normal car so that's my plan.
Waiting on a red RF Club like the one featured here. I got sucked in by the RF's lines and really wanted the Recaro's and BBS's.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review…I like your style 😎
Much appreciated 🙏🏾
Thanks for the hard work (albeit probably was very enjoyable let's be real 😅). If i may give you some constructive criticism, i was struggling to hear you speak with the roof down, could be down to my phone's speaker, but probably a voice over or better-insulated mic could help.
Thanks for watching. I would have to wear ear muffs with the top down to eliminate the noise
Thanks for this comparison Que, You're the only one to accurately represent and show the louder wind noise that occurs in the RF at highway speed. You have made my choice of miata clearer. Soft top , brembo/Recaro pkg FTW. My friend has a base 22 Soft top ...with a Borla axel back...and boy does it transform the experience..the Borla barks and growls !
I appreciate the feedback. Glad it could help
Really great content...keep it up!!!
Appreciate it. Will do
Que, very nice & helpful comparison
Glad it was helpful
I just bought an RF Homura soul red ... can't wait !!!!
I wish they made fixed hardtop coupe, or shooting brake even. I don't mind not having the roof down. Instead I'll take a bit more cargo space.
I’ve seen some renderings. That would be dope
That's the 86/BRZ you're looking for
@@royaltyallen1162Better daily type car but id still prefer a hardtop Miata, I didn’t think the gr felt that special
Thanks for comparing the 2 Miatas
Thanks watching
If I were in the market would definitely go with the RF. Love the looks and versatility of a retracting hard top. Curious if you have any planned mods yet? Great comparison video!
So far just exhaust for now. Maybe make it look a little better
@@QueTheChaoticHave you got an exhaust in mind?
@@donjohn2239 yup yup. That’s posting this afternoon
Nice comparison, thanks! Enjoy your car. I have the same car as you in Soul Red.
Nice! Enjoy yours as well
U made the right purchase. Living my dream
Much appreciated
Thank you for the comparison!
My pleasure
Man bro that looks like so much fun. Ggs brother congrats
Thanks a lot
Love my 23 sport MX5 a true drivers machine… Thank you MAZDA !
I had a BMW Z3. I loved it but had to sell it. I am looking at the RF because of wind noise. With the Z3 the plastic rear view got milky, I could never get it clear. Nice video to put them side by side. Both extremely cool rides.
Thank you
Great vid, thanks for comparison. May be getting a Miata soon. Still not sure which one to get tho, they both look cool.
Thanks for watching
thanks bro cool review
I really like those wheels! I just ordered my 2024 mx-5 Miata Grand Touring in soul red crystal.
Nice!
Top down, heat up. Love it.
Awesome comparison, Que. Like others have mentioned, the BBS wheels definitely help balance out the weight difference of the RF vs the ST. RFs also have stiffer rear suspension to counter the extra weight of the fastback, so that's something to consider as well.
One thing I recently discovered about the soft tops, though, is that all GT SOFT TOPS have an extra layer of material that helps with road noise. All COLORED soft tops, regardless of trim, also have this extra layer. Another way of saying this is that all black soft tops DO NOT have this layer, unless it is a GT top.
Regarding the Miata slander... it's a tiny car, we all know this. What do we say about people who drive a big car/truck? Put that down, flip it, and reverse it - and now you know why they hate.
Aww man. What’s higher than a sensei? Guru? Great information you added here. I’m definitely gonna have to remember that reference with the big trucks. I’m very happy with the purchase
I love your channel!
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Club and GT have same suspension. The BBR package could be causing the difference. The wheels are very light fully forged and of course the brakes and seats are amazing.
On the GT, the one feature I like isnthe metal bezels for the AC, volume knob on the console. Its about 350 shipped to buy it from online dealers.
Awesome video but I kept checking if my brightness was turned all the way up. Maybe something to consider
It happens when I film with harsh lighting with the GoPro. Early morning and late evening is the best. Midday, if I film, you can either see the interior, but lookout outside will look all white. I’ll crank the brightness up more next time. Good feedback
I don’t think you get that British roadster experience Miata was designed for unless you get the soft top
Not true. Sit in one and look up and tell me if you can tell if it's RF or ST
Switching between an RF and an old Morgan, I can assure you that the experience isn't too different. The Mazda is far more refined obviously but that vibe you refer to is definitely there.
@@AdAstra78 I was thinking their goal for the first Miata was the MG, TR-4, Lotus Elan. These were the comparisons back when I started to see Miatas. Italians tried it too with the Fiat Spider and Alpha Romeo Spider.
@@Digiphexdon’t forget, the MGB, Elan, and TR4 all came in hardtop versions. In the case of the MGB-GT and Elan, they were fixed hard tops. The TR-4’s “surrey top” was actually a targa like the RF, with a removable top panel and rear section that could be left in place.
Hey Arnold was awesome, 'football head'
😆it was. I still watch it
I like your channel. You are articulate and speak very clearly and can share your exact thoughts about the car. Thank you! Keep postin more, please. I am a big Topher fan and you're doing a great job with your videos.
Thanks a lot. Will do. That’s my guy!
Thanks for sharing. Appreciate your insight and knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
When I bought my first Miata back in 2020 I went in expecting to like the RF more, but I actually found I preferred the soft top. I ended up ordering a Club soft top with the BBR package. When I placed an order for a 2024 back at the end of January I went with the same thing - a Club soft top with the BBR package. In fact, other than color, it is the exact same trim and options as what I had previously. There have been a number of upgrades to the platform since I had my car though (KPP in 2022, and the revised steering, differential, headunit, and lighting in the 2024). It should hopefully be at the dealer next week some time, which is just in time for the driving season where I am.
Congrats on the ND3
I like both but bought RF because I prefer the roof drainage system more. Soft top has mesh box that catches debris and needs to be emptied every so often.
You mentioned the steering is lighter in the RF. Was that compared to older gen Miata’s or compared to the soft top?
Appreciate all the Miata content. Best cars!
I have to see about draining the roof system. The steering felt the same in both. I just forgot to mention it in the soft top portion
My white soft top GT is going to be delivered in a few weeks. I love the look of the RF, but the top down experience with the wind noise and blind spots, plus the cost, just not worth it for me. The dealer i talked to said that Mazda is saying 75% of MX5 sales are RF, which kinda surprised me. The BBR package is really nice, but for $4800, I can put wheels and brakes on that i actually want. Still want the seats but eh
I've noticed that in the US RF seems to be very common. Europe is much soft-top oriented.
Broooo thanks for the content, stay up!
No problem. You too
I hired the soft top and the RF, as I was swaying between the two. Originally my desire was to have a stick shift soft top, but life had other plans for me as the RF automatic was the first to appear on my wish list. I had the RF AT experience for 10 days, 10 days of finding any excuse to drive it, morning, midday and night time cruise drives made my days even more intoxicating, the sport button and targa like iconic😂 style hit the sweet-spot. I hired the soft top for just one singular day and that was enough. The soft top was drifting when I drove over 80km, it didn’t grip the road firmly like the RF does! I had to concentrate fully on just keeping it steady when I was in the fast lane. The RF has less roll, it’s a much more defined drive than the soft top. I live in baking hot sunshine most days so I appreciated the RF, when I felt the need for fresh air I retracted the roof, too hot? I closed the roof and put on the air conditioning. I ordered the RF automatic in machine grey in January, it’s due to arrive in the next few weeks. My model was built to order, I’ll be flying over to Gran Canaria to pick her up when she gets here, bringing her over on the ferry. Until the dealership opens on our island I’ll be taking the Miata over to Gran Canaria on the ferry for oil changes and the regular check ups,should be fun hitting the city and freeways over there in the Miata. I’m 58 this month , I choose to have a fun quality experience when I’m driving. If undecided between the soft top and RF, drive them, then you’ll get your answer of which one is best for you.
Thanks for adding your perspective. I want to see how that Auto is. I felt that the RF was more planted.
How do you find the sound on the RF?
Great video. The hardtop software mod will allow you to activate the roof at just short of 30mph. Not too sure if it also speeds up the proscess too
That’s cool. This car has so many upgrades available
RF looks better with the top up but top down ragtop all the way. The RF has more weight in the rear not front. Also the RF has firmer springs in back too, same with the Bilstein shocks option springs are firmer in rear. As for road noise the two biggest thing that reduce road noise is noise insulation (ie dynamat, even though I did not use that brand) in the doors/trunk/floor and under body panel/cover (ie Verus Engineering). With those two things the road noise is mostly gone, only wind noise now from the rag top and a little bit of tire noise. The Michelin PS5 is pretty quiet and comfy for a performance summer tire, perfect GT car tire.
Great information. Thank you
I get if someone need the extra security of the hardtop especially if he doesn’t have his own garage and it’s parked outside but, it’s a compromised experience. If you can, soft top is the best way.
Consider Bilstein B16 or Xida if/once you feel you want more flat cornering.
The RF only has the additional storage cubby behind the passenger seat. It's smaller (shallower) than the behind the seat storage in the soft top. The RF ABSOLUTELY feels more rigid and solid than the soft top. Because of the additional structural rigidity, the RF is more tail happy. I can get the rear end to step out much more readily than in the ST. The RF handles better/sharper. I have the ND2 RF Club while my friend has a ND2 ST Club and we drove each other's Miatas back to back. IMO, the RF is alot more quiet than the ST in stock form. I added some butyl mat and closed cell foam in the roof, doors, under the hood and in the wheel wells and it enhances the feel of the RF by making it feel even more solid and premium. With the top down, the RF is definitely louder than the ST due to the wind buffeting. I have no regrets choosing the RF over the ST. Enjoy your ND3!
Great summary. Thanks for sharing!
That's funny you say that you can get the rear end to slide out easier on the hard top. Another youtube channel compared the two and said the opposite, that it was easier to slide the rear end out in the soft top.
I've seen comparisons that are all over the spectrum. Which has me convinced that any differences in handling are so minute that it doesn't really matter. I got the hard top just because I thought it looked cooler.
@@gwpeoples the RF being stiffer has a more planted feel so when it slides, it does so in a more predictable/controlled way than the ST which has more chassis flex so when it finally breaks traction, it does it in a more snappy/lively way.
@@fmtien I’m not agreeing or disagreeing just pointing out that I’ve heard so many differing opinions on this
quick question and appreciate taking the time to respond. does this current 2024 edition (RF/soft top) have the "auto return" of the steering wheel to the center after you make a turn? or does it just stay in the direction where you turn and it doesn't have this gentle pull back to center. thanks
I can't recall. I feel like it does return to center while turning
Love the RF mx5
Different options for different folks but ST Club with BBR for me. Its what I ordered last week
RF good for those who like the coupe look and a bit more quiet. ST is more open, lighter and feels tighter/stiffer. If you want to race ST only option due to roll bar compatability.
Great sum up
Good job - helpful
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Yes, Miatas are not practical cars, but they sure are fun cars. Very much like owning a sportbike type of motorcycle. No motorcycle is practical, but they sure are fun. I actually like both these models, hard and soft top. I like your tan color car with the RF recaro package club. But that's just me. Never was a fan of "arrest-me-red". I like subdued colors. If I get a 2024, it will be the 3rd MX5 I've owned in my life. I had a 95 and 01 before, both were excellent and super reliable cars. I would put the reliability right up there with a Corolla!
I could never picture you getting a Miata. I have a 2023 Club RF in Zircon sand
Nice spec! You didn’t see me as a person being interested in a Miata?
@@QueTheChaotic I guess they think we only like Challengers and Altimas...
@@QueTheChaotic no, because of your previous cars. The Miata is underpowered compared to those.
@@opmike343 lol @ Altimas. My first car on the channel was a Scion FRS.
Great video
Thanks!
I saw some posts about wind noise near the left ear from RF at higher speeds, did you find this to be true?
I didn’t really notice that. If you put on headphones and listen you could probably tell from the video. I have a binaural audio setup. What I hear is what you hear.
I've just got the hard top in machine gray full leather and two ltr engine in England it's called the Exclusive loving it. ❤❤😂😅😊
Congratulations!
Thanks 👍 😊
I love the look of the rf with the top up, but don't like the extra weight, less visibility and higher price tag.
Well done~ I wonder, in a nutshell....what are your thoughts regarding a Cayman and fun and then the MX5? Is it just, it is more fun to drive a slow car fast?
The Cayman felt much more serious. It was fun too but hard to get to the limits on the street. I’ll see if I can do a back to back comparo
@@QueTheChaotic Understood~ We might be able to be more playful w mx5 (less attention,also)
@@roustabout4fun I agree
Are you using the same camera in both car? In the video, it sounds way quieter when you’re in the red rf
Same camera and settings. The RF is definitely quieter.
Yo bro , I got a 2021 RF, I traded in my Mustang GT, no regrets,pure fun driving, could you make a video on how the Alexa works
I’m shocked to see so many trading in their muscle cars for a Miata. I get it. I’ll make that video as soon as I figure out how to use it 😅
I am the odd one out 😂. I owned a 90, 92 autocross, and a 93Le.
Sold my Le and bought a 15 mustang gt. Black of course.
Later traded it in on a 19 mustang Bullitt. This one has magnaride with Ford racing suspension upgrade. No front resonator, h pipe. Forge Star wheels.
Real fun to drive. Loud, fast , handles for a heavy car. Keeper for me.
Thinking about a Nb someday. Na are over priced right now.
It’s funny that you mentioned the motorcycle. I had a motorcycle but I wasn’t a responsible rider. Ha! So I sold the motorcycle before I killed myself and bought a convertible and never looked back. (I bought a VW Eos, hardtop.)
Man, I want one so bad, started saving recently to buy one in the future. Really hard pick between the RF and the soft top. 😰
Bro same, they both sexy
@_aarondiazzzz Soo Update, I got one 2023 RF Brembo/Recaro/BBS package, this thing has brought meaning to driving. I own a WB Scatpack Challenger as well, lots of fun but lots of respect needed to drive it also. The Miata is just the perfect amount of Overall fun you will find, this thing is indescribable good.
I heard that RC21 shout out lol (Me doing my best RC21 impression) I have a question brother Que, which one out of both of these vehicles feels more roomy on the inside? Like I heard you say there's more blind spots etc. in the RF and I get it about the handling etc. but is there a chance that one has more leg room than the other? I'm asking for a friend 👀
😅shout out to the brother RC21. They both have the same leg room lol. You need to cut out the firewall and extend the pedals to the engine bay
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@@QueTheChaotic Cut out the firewall, and operate the throttle body with his foot. Cut out the transmission tunnel, and operate the clutch by hand. No pedals needed! (I haven't figured out the braking system yet.)
@@RaceCar21 😆😆😆
@@RaceCar21 😆
what would you say about the seats? I'm very torned since I would like to have the Recaro, but they are not so confortable around the hips if you are a big guy like me, I'm scared that with the standard leather seats there is no support whatsoever
The standard seats hold me in just fine. The recaros are extremely supportive and firm
Still enjoying my SS1LE. Seems like you can use more of the car all the time. Sure looks like fun.
It really is. I should have kept my SS 1LE. It sets my standard
I like more the soft top but the BBS and other stuff on the other one are to me a must.. looks nicer with it...
I agree
To put it out simply the club trim especially with the BBS package is for hard driver enthusiasts who's naturally a daredevil type of person all while the GT is the luxury type whom seek extra comfort and surrounding safety features.
My pick personally would be the club trim and if i do got modification kit in mind i wouldn't want the BBS package with it as it could be expensive and install something that'll work for me.
I would want all of the options personally but they don’t sell that here. It would cost a fortune.
The noise difference is minimal between soft and RF. Wind noise slightly reduced with RF, but road noise and tire noise should be the same, which is a bigger issue unless it is very windy or you are going over 70mph.
Given that the car is only going to be a fun 'toy" for me for sunny days, I went for the soft-top - a much more open, freeing driving experience.
Club soft top Brembo Differential and Recaros for me
How would the miata rank in terms of fun compared to the GR Corolla and Integra Type S?
I think it has what it takes to be more fun than both. Especially on the street. The track it would have to be modified to be better
Yes
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You should have got the RF just for the looks!
Their lines are always so long. No regrets on the soft top
How do you compare this to the s2000 you drove?
I would say the S2000 is more serious of a track car. You have to rev it so far out to feel the power. The Miata is definitely more fun at lower speeds
Beautiful cars, if only they were just a bit bigger. Maybe someplace for glasses or a jacket.
RF GT: 50.7% front (top up) 49.3% rear (top up)
50.4% front (top down) 49.6% rear (top down)
What is wrong with the seats in the Acura Integra Type S?
Too hard and no support
@@QueTheChaotic Can't disagree I find them hard, but the support is plenty for me.
I hear a LOT of people complaining the RF has terrible visibility which is incredibly annoying on the highway. I have a 2018 Miata Club that I paid 16K for. Decent deal I think.
Zircon sand is Fire.
Was wondering how tall you are? Did it ever feel cramped?
I’m 5’11. It’s not cramped. It’s just enough space for me and my phone
@@QueTheChaotic Nice lol. Thanks for the fast reply and good info.
The RF is much better looking than the soft top.
I'm impartial because I in a 2019 RF brembo, bbs, Recaro package.
The RF is also a better choice if you don't want to get your car broken into, as it's so easy to cut the soft top if you don't have a garage.
Just gonna point out when it comes to weight distribution it's actually the soft top that 52 in the front, the RF is actually closest to 50/50
Dammit! Good catch. I said that in a previous upload and someone said it was the other way around. I’m pretty sure I read the ST is 52/48 and the RF is 51/49. Thanks for pointing that out
@@QueTheChaotic I was the one that told you wrong, my bad bro. Que was right in his previous video. I did more reading on the weight distribution and I was wrong. Stay blessed bro.
52 front not counting the driver with driver it becomes near 50-50
@@Springer6096 it’s all good bro. 🙏🏾
how are these miatas on those bumpy east side roads?
I don't go too far east lol. But the soft top is really good over the bumps. The RF was a little rougher
RF does have storage behind the passenger seat only
Gotcha. Makes sense because that would be the driver seat in Japan?
What exhaust are you going with??
Good Win Racing.
@@QueTheChaotic
Roadstersport race or Super Street?
Be careful, I put on an ISR muffler delete and it was way too loud and boomy.
Hurt my ears so I put the stock one back on.
@@dougmaverick3287 I went with Race
@@QueTheChaotic
Please let me know how it turns out.
I'm still looking for an exhaust because I find the stock exhaust still too quiet
I just don't want one too loud and boomy.
@@dougmaverick3287 will do
Soft top all day every day.
The soft top might be a better choice but I think I would pay the extra to see that RF shape in front of my house every morning.
I love your seats BETTER , I’m a skinny black man, my tail bone hurts on the SPORTS seats .🤣👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽soft plush seats 💯
😆😆😆 I could see those seats hurting after driving for too long.
Damn I never was in the market for a Miata. You probably changed that lmao
Lol oops
the rf sport got the bilstine shocks
Are you outside of the US? The RF only comes in the club and GT here
We don't say Tri-state here, it's the DMV. (District-Maryland-Virginia)
Ah. I’m butchering words lately. Well what do you call the DMV there? Department of motor vehicles that is.
@@QueTheChaotic That's the DMV, too. Gotta use those context clues to know which one we're talking about. 😆
@@RaceCar21 we call it the SOS here. Secretary of State
@@QueTheChaotic I remember you saying that in a past video. I'd never heard it called that before then. The Department of Motor Vehicles is all I've ever known.
Naw in the DMV, the DMV is the MVA (at least that’s what it is in Maryland) 😅
RF looks better. And the seats are amazing in the club. I’ve owned both and definitely prefer the RF. I miss my Miata, 2nd best car I’ve owned (987.2 S number 1)
I currently own 992 4S coupe and MX-5 ND2 red with soft top, for me Miata is number one favourite car. Porsche is only interesting for high speed and swift overtaking, and also for the excitement it brings to kids etc. But I love Miata so much I intend to purchase this mild facelift ND3 just to vacum it for future when there are no more N/A engine cars.
@@VK-sc6mf boxsters are more fun than 911’s. And mine is N/A
Soft top for me. RF has too much of a blind spot and the soft top has a much better top down experience, plus noting beats putting the top up or down in two seconds. Also you can't really fit a roll bar in the RF. RF looks better by far with the top up. Different strokes for different folks.
After watching many videos about this I have decided to opt for the soft top for the following reasons:
Soft top is the classic version of a convertible roadster. This is very important for me as I want that classic convertible roadster experience.
Soft top is lighter.
There is more wind buffeting noise in RF. Soft top is quieter with roof down at highway speeds.
Soft top has better visibility when top is down.
The difference in the roll ain’t cause the top. It is the difference of the bilstein shock absorbers
They both have Bilsteins. Someone said the springs on the RF is different
Hard top for me
A looong time for the top to go down??? what are you talking about ?? It's actually one of the fastest mechanisms i've seen. ???
3 vs 15 seconds
6:40
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