Thank you to Basenor for sending these out. A subscriber requested a test, so here you are. One thing to add: I left out two clips on each side (near the middle/top) because I simply couldn't get them to go high enough to clip into the metal of the car. Even with this, the mats do not move.
It’s a very subtle change which could help reduce the wear and tear on a person during a long drive. I’m considering them as I do 25k a year in my Model3.
Great job addressing this! Cabin noise in Model 3 (especially wind noise) along with a stiff ride detract from an otherwise wonderful driving experience. Strange that Tesla didn’t do a better job considering the praise they received on Model S quietness.
I'm the opposite, wind noise is OK, tyre noise is huge and totally dependent on the surface, we have a section of motorway that's recently been resurfaced with some "new to Ireland" surface and it's heaven when you go on to it and hell when you come off, near silence versus a harsh buzzing/hissing and the speed has not changed. I put some foam/bitumen pads under the frunk tub which may have helped and is really easy to do. I have carpet +rubber mats in the frunk and sub trunk and also left the Tesla carpet mats in the footwells (front and back) when I put in the rubber floor mats.
Loool if you broke half of the clips, sorry bro, you were not being careful. I took all 4 corners off including the underbody panels, didn't break a single clip. The trick is to wiggle it left and right a little and if it doesn't come out, is most likely you didn't pop the pin all the way out, so push it back in and pry it back out again. PS: you are better off pulling the stock guard down, spray some rubberized compound behind it instead. Also, majority of the road noise are actually coming from the doors, you get better result putting some sound deadening mats there instead
the VAST majority of road/tire noise makes its way through things like the control arms and come from the floor of the M3 its not too difficult to pull the carpet out and put in a sounds deadner and MLV. try this for yourself... record audio with your phone in the driver seat and start tapping with something like the back of a screwdriver on your control arm and other components connected to the wheels and you will see just how much of that small tap makes its way into the cabin.
I added the door seals and the rubber seal around the roof glass. The combination did make a difference for me on the highway. Just one of them without the other did not help.
I got a different AV that had window frames and although it was cheaper than the Tesla it does not have that same with noise at 70. I am pretty sure that sound is coming from all four windows not having a frame
I have never noticed wind noise as a major source of noise in my Model 3. Sure there is a bit, but that's frameless windows for you. The HUGE and DANGLY low hanging fruit is tire and road noise. (The difference between smooth and rough roads is very noticeable). This comes from two sources: Tire, and suspension. You noticed a small improvement with damped wheel wells, which I'd say represents tire noise. But in a car which has been carefully designed to be light, the suspension has got to be transferring vibrations to its supporting structures. Just not sure how one would dampen those easily.
From what I know about sound deadening (not much), the materials have to be either really thick or heavy. Those don’t appear to be either. Obviously, filling gaps works too.
I adjusted all 4 windows for a tighter seal. That helped to lessen wind noise. Another indication I have a tighter seal: when power washing the car I see far less condensation at the edges of the window underneath where the class contacts the rubber seals around the B-pillar areas.
@@DirtyTesla I followed these videos along with a lot of trial and error: ua-cam.com/video/78dRLri7QaU/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/g67DKPqDwT0/v-deo.html
Rubber around roof made no difference to me, I ended up pulling it out because it digging under the glass into the adhesive. Check yours and make sure it doesn’t mess up your glass roof seal.
on the dirt road, I heard a difference. Everywhere else on the paved roads., not even slightly. I think it does help, but the wind noise should be addressed because perhaps the wind noise is so loud you can't even hear the lower frequency road noise
I have the opposite problem, I think the road noise on my 3 sucks! I only have 5,100 miles and it feels like my suspension is already getting harsh going over bumps. I test drove a model Y, it was so much quieter and suspension was much better dampened.
Hmm. I just had some friends drive mine and they were impressed with the suspension and specifically said "the suspension is really good even on these dirt roads!" 😂
i want one of these cars, i look them up there $45,000, i thought they was around $28,000. i do love your videos Dirty Tesla, its the only channel i like to watch.
Chris, thanks for going to the trouble to test that set of mats. It appears that those mats are only for the front wheel wells, although the information on the Amazon page is not specific except for one comment further down the page. Are mats for the rear wheel wells also available? In my 2018 Model 3 DM the most tire noise seems to be from the rear wheels.
@@DirtyTesla probably not :) When you have one of the most aerodynamic production cars, and your biggest problem is wind noise, it's hard to go anywhere from there.
@@DirtyTesla I think they modified the roof glass since early 2020, the panels are closer together so there may be more road, less wind noise on 2020 onward cars?
T-Pain is back again with another video! In this series, you should try to track down all your rattles and panel gaps. Those videos will get lots of views. People love to talk about that stuff!
On the forum I’ve seen people who had wind noise issues state that filling a gap in the top of the front fender back by the windshield helped a lot. Many used sponge material. I can send a link if that doesn’t make sense.
Take butyl-alufoil in coverage cca 25%, and over that cover up to 100% foam closed mats all wheel arches from inside! You can also do this at trunk, doors!
Great video, I will be following this series for sure. I have heard that getting good tint on the windows including clear on the front windshield can help, but I haven’t tried anything myself. I tried doing a sound test with a meter between the Model 3 and Model Y and it seems like the Model Y is quieter. Not sure if they added sound deadening or if the fact that is so much newer contributes to that though.
I have seen that in the new Model 3 they have filled in the BIG square hole in the metal roof of the trunk under the rear parcel shelf. I think it is about a foot square or more. I read somewhere the the change was made to stop road noise getting into the cabin from the rear trunk area. You might check into that. Check out video by Paul Braren at 14:15 in.
You should look at second skin sound dampening for your floor it will eliminate underbody noise also add skid plate as it also protects and quiets the underbody also ho look at hankook Evo ev tires
I am following this series.. I tried the rubber gasket on the sunroof and notices like 1-2 db drop but after a few months it would keep popping out of the channel so removed it. Waste of money imo..
I had some severe wind noise coming from the drivers window, or so it seemed. Finally had the panels on that side adjusted and the wind noise has disappeared. Also, on the basenor stuff, where is that made?
When I got mine there was a terrible whistling over 70km/h, it turned out the plastic trim below the windscreen wasn't clipped in and the little gap acted as an actual whistle. The car almost went back because of it.
Well if you had the plasic off you should have done the inside of the well it self and what ever you can in the wheel well area with killmat, ...but you are looking for quiet let me help you first look at your tires go to hankook tires ion ev tires they are sound deading tires then after order through both these companies they have templated sound mats for the model 3 soundskins for the model 3 and dynamat for the model 3 , then finally do the rpm tesla door seal kits is the best because they have the best seals and give you extra glue and also give you the whole kit for fronk trunk 4 doors and roof glass then finish up with going back to sound skins for the audio speakers kits
I don't hear much of a difference (except for the dirt road. I hear a slightly big difference) but probably because my phone doesn't have good speakers
I couldn't see the thing that you have installed, therefore I went online and searched about the product in order to understand what are you talking about. You first need to review the product outside of your car before installation, then from there start the installation so people can follow.
I can't say I hear any difference. Personally, I don't believe trying to make an EV any quieter is worth bothering. What I'd like to know is when Tesla owners change their tires, are they changing to Tesla tires or something else. Tesla tires are made differently and are partly why they're as quiet as they are.
Tesla should just make all season tires so owners can change them annually or maybe even about every 18 months. But they have to be GOOD all season tires. I don't believe I'd want more than about six months of wear and tear on tires before snow flies each year.
@1:00 >Well, that was a lie Completely teasing! Just disappointed to not see a series of videos on this topic after immediately hearing that! (could add the 18" VS 19" wheels video to this playlist? As those seem to make a noticeable difference in sound level reduction?) Im sure its difficult to make much progress on some EVs, but would love to see ambitious experiments to see what could be done given the motivation. Was just wondering what would happen if the entire inside of the tire was lined with the sound damping foam! What might be the effect considering that seems to be the bulk of the sound when on rough roads.. And ways to adjust any surfaces for improved wind noise.
Thank you to Basenor for sending these out. A subscriber requested a test, so here you are.
One thing to add: I left out two clips on each side (near the middle/top) because I simply couldn't get them to go high enough to clip into the metal of the car. Even with this, the mats do not move.
did you have AC on for the clips before/after?
Need the next episode please!
It’s a very subtle change which could help reduce the wear and tear on a person during a long drive. I’m considering them as I do 25k a year in my Model3.
“The Quest for Quiet” LOVE IT! Great idea for a “must watch” video series.
Great job addressing this! Cabin noise in Model 3 (especially wind noise) along with a stiff ride detract from an otherwise wonderful driving experience. Strange that Tesla didn’t do a better job considering the praise they received on Model S quietness.
I'm the opposite, wind noise is OK, tyre noise is huge and totally dependent on the surface, we have a section of motorway that's recently been resurfaced with some "new to Ireland" surface and it's heaven when you go on to it and hell when you come off, near silence versus a harsh buzzing/hissing and the speed has not changed.
I put some foam/bitumen pads under the frunk tub which may have helped and is really easy to do. I have carpet +rubber mats in the frunk and sub trunk and also left the Tesla carpet mats in the footwells (front and back) when I put in the rubber floor mats.
Loool if you broke half of the clips, sorry bro, you were not being careful. I took all 4 corners off including the underbody panels, didn't break a single clip.
The trick is to wiggle it left and right a little and if it doesn't come out, is most likely you didn't pop the pin all the way out, so push it back in and pry it back out again.
PS: you are better off pulling the stock guard down, spray some rubberized compound behind it instead. Also, majority of the road noise are actually coming from the doors, you get better result putting some sound deadening mats there instead
what about putting sticky mats on top of the stock wheel well guards?
the VAST majority of road/tire noise makes its way through things like the control arms and come from the floor of the M3 its not too difficult to pull the carpet out and put in a sounds deadner and MLV. try this for yourself... record audio with your phone in the driver seat and start tapping with something like the back of a screwdriver on your control arm and other components connected to the wheels and you will see just how much of that small tap makes its way into the cabin.
I added the door seals and the rubber seal around the roof glass. The combination did make a difference for me on the highway. Just one of them without the other did not help.
I'd guess that wheel/tire would make more of a difference than this, but if you're going for the quietest possible setup maybe this is worth adding.
Exactly, but combination of both you'll definitely see a big difference
I got a different AV that had window frames and although it was cheaper than the Tesla it does not have that same with noise at 70. I am pretty sure that sound is coming from all four windows not having a frame
I have never noticed wind noise as a major source of noise in my Model 3. Sure there is a bit, but that's frameless windows for you. The HUGE and DANGLY low hanging fruit is tire and road noise. (The difference between smooth and rough roads is very noticeable). This comes from two sources: Tire, and suspension. You noticed a small improvement with damped wheel wells, which I'd say represents tire noise. But in a car which has been carefully designed to be light, the suspension has got to be transferring vibrations to its supporting structures. Just not sure how one would dampen those easily.
Get a new Koni suspension
From what I know about sound deadening (not much), the materials have to be either really thick or heavy. Those don’t appear to be either. Obviously, filling gaps works too.
I adjusted all 4 windows for a tighter seal. That helped to lessen wind noise. Another indication I have a tighter seal: when power washing the car I see far less condensation at the edges of the window underneath where the class contacts the rubber seals around the B-pillar areas.
How did you do that?
@@DirtyTesla I followed these videos along with a lot of trial and error: ua-cam.com/video/78dRLri7QaU/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/g67DKPqDwT0/v-deo.html
Have you done weatherstripping on doors, and the huge rubber “o-ring” around the roof glass in the little space? It helps a ton to reduce wind noise
I did the doors and noticed no difference. I haven't done the thing in the top glass.
I bought the giant rubber band, but never installed it. Looking forward to your impressions.
Rubber around roof made no difference to me, I ended up pulling it out because it digging under the glass into the adhesive. Check yours and make sure it doesn’t mess up your glass roof seal.
Did you get some weatherstripping by the side mirror/hood part?
The roof liner made a difference for me, but also started cutting into the window seal on the corner, so I removed it.
on the dirt road, I heard a difference. Everywhere else on the paved roads., not even slightly.
I think it does help, but the wind noise should be addressed because perhaps the wind noise is so loud you can't even hear the lower frequency road noise
Given their location in the wheel well, I'd love to see a video in the spring on how they hold up after a Michigan winter.
I have the opposite problem, I think the road noise on my 3 sucks! I only have 5,100 miles and it feels like my suspension is already getting harsh going over bumps. I test drove a model Y, it was so much quieter and suspension was much better dampened.
Hmm. I just had some friends drive mine and they were impressed with the suspension and specifically said "the suspension is really good even on these dirt roads!" 😂
Dirty Tesla it’s all relative, depends on what they drive daily
They were comparing it to their jeep lease. Not sure which jeep they have tho but it's a 2018 I believe
0:24 LESS GOOO!
i want one of these cars, i look them up there $45,000, i thought they was around $28,000. i do love your videos Dirty Tesla, its the only channel i like to watch.
Thanks dude 👍 soon you'll get them used for that! You'll get yours one day.
you should experiment with masking tape around any gap: hood/windshield/roof/mirrors...
Someone did it, I saw a video yesterday- the result was it didn't matter. Metal isolation has the most effect.
Chris, thanks for going to the trouble to test that set of mats. It appears that those mats are only for the front wheel wells, although the information on the Amazon page is not specific except for one comment further down the page. Are mats for the rear wheel wells also available? In my 2018 Model 3 DM the most tire noise seems to be from the rear wheels.
Nothing for the rear. Those seem to have more fabric from the factory tho.
I've heard that people put sound-absorbing foam inside the doors, are you going to try that?
Maaaybe. But my biggest issue is wind... So I'm not sure it'll help with that
@@DirtyTesla probably not :)
When you have one of the most aerodynamic production cars, and your biggest problem is wind noise, it's hard to go anywhere from there.
@@DirtyTesla I think they modified the roof glass since early 2020, the panels are closer together so there may be more road, less wind noise on 2020 onward cars?
T-Pain is back again with another video! In this series, you should try to track down all your rattles and panel gaps. Those videos will get lots of views. People love to talk about that stuff!
Digital trends can steal it and say that all Tesla's are falling apart due to noise vibrations.
Dirty Tesla do it for the views! Hahaha
On the forum I’ve seen people who had wind noise issues state that filling a gap in the top of the front fender back by the windshield helped a lot. Many used sponge material. I can send a link if that doesn’t make sense.
Yeah send it. I think I've seen it
Dirty Tesla teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/solved-wind-noise.177619/#post-4294798
Take butyl-alufoil in coverage cca 25%, and over that cover up to 100% foam closed mats all wheel arches from inside! You can also do this at trunk, doors!
Great video, I will be following this series for sure. I have heard that getting good tint on the windows including clear on the front windshield can help, but I haven’t tried anything myself. I tried doing a sound test with a meter between the Model 3 and Model Y and it seems like the Model Y is quieter. Not sure if they added sound deadening or if the fact that is so much newer contributes to that though.
Hey DT, have you looked at low noise tyres?
I'd like to see what e.g. Michelin CrossClimate+ do for the noise (and the handling etc.).
I have seen that in the new Model 3 they have filled in the BIG square hole in the metal roof of the trunk under the rear parcel shelf. I think it is about a foot square or more. I read somewhere the the change was made to stop road noise getting into the cabin from the rear trunk area. You might check into that. Check out video by Paul Braren at 14:15 in.
You need to turn off the the AC temporarily to check the audio.
You should look at second skin sound dampening for your floor it will eliminate underbody noise also add skid plate as it also protects and quiets the underbody also ho look at hankook Evo ev tires
Thanks DT!
For wind noise, you put blue painters tape around the windshield and see if it makes a difference
Can't really tell a difference... But I'm sure it's different in the car
I am following this series.. I tried the rubber gasket on the sunroof and notices like 1-2 db drop but after a few months it would keep popping out of the channel so removed it. Waste of money imo..
What's next on your "quiet" model 3 journey? Waiting for next idea...😎
I had some severe wind noise coming from the drivers window, or so it seemed. Finally had the panels on that side adjusted and the wind noise has disappeared. Also, on the basenor stuff, where is that made?
I assume it is made in China but the product was shipped from California.
When I got mine there was a terrible whistling over 70km/h, it turned out the plastic trim below the windscreen wasn't clipped in and the little gap acted as an actual whistle. The car almost went back because of it.
Sounds like the general hum stays the same, but it's less accented and more even.
Interesting test....but from my ears, it doesn't seem to be a big enough difference for the hassle of the install.
Quest for quiet 👍
When is your next video on reducing noise? I think a lot of us are wanting to improve this aspect of the Tesla. Thanks
Soooo what happened to the series? Did you ever get it quiet?
I got a new car >_>
@@DirtyTesla well damn was really hoping to getting an answer on where it is most effective to put the insulation
@@xBuzz996 yeah I'm sorry. I think most important is base of A pillars on the outside and then maybe some stuff in the top of the trunk.
Can you test out the 20 dollar wind noise reduction for glass roof on ebay or amazon. Its like a strip you put on top
I'm weary of those as I hear the shift under the glass and can mess up the factory seals
@@DirtyTesla ok thanks
great video, thanks!
Well if you had the plasic off you should have done the inside of the well it self and what ever you can in the wheel well area with killmat, ...but you are looking for quiet let me help you first look at your tires go to hankook tires ion ev tires they are sound deading tires then after order through both these companies they have templated sound mats for the model 3 soundskins for the model 3 and dynamat for the model 3 , then finally do the rpm tesla door seal kits is the best because they have the best seals and give you extra glue and also give you the whole kit for fronk trunk 4 doors and roof glass then finish up with going back to sound skins for the audio speakers kits
Is it worth to install it
Na I'd say probably not
Yea, with headphones on I'm not sold with the clips at the end. They sound identical to me.
Use a noise meter before and after?
I don't hear much of a difference (except for the dirt road. I hear a slightly big difference) but probably because my phone doesn't have good speakers
Hi, I think the clips are one time use only.
If you take them out nicely you can reuse them :)
You should use a decibel reader
Why not just stick some dyno mats on there and be done. They work with speakers so they should work with tire noise.
I couldn't see the thing that you have installed, therefore I went online and searched about the product in order to understand what are you talking about. You first need to review the product outside of your car before installation, then from there start the installation so people can follow.
I can't say I hear any difference.
Personally, I don't believe trying to make an EV any quieter is worth bothering.
What I'd like to know is when Tesla owners change their tires, are they changing to Tesla tires or something else. Tesla tires are made differently and are partly why they're as quiet as they are.
I got some other tires. Noise is about the same. The Tesla tires are very expensive.
Tesla should just make all season tires so owners can change them annually or maybe even about every 18 months. But they have to be GOOD all season tires. I don't believe I'd want more than about six months of wear and tear on tires before snow flies each year.
I have the right tool but yeah they still break.
Wonder if the range is affected.
Na. These are not going to effect air flow which would be the biggest thing to effect range
Hey freaking dirty Tesla
If you took off the plastic you should have dynamated the inside of tge plastic and even dynamat part of the rame and body
use "mass loaded vinyl"
the decibel readings weren’t nonsense... just a chaos theory statistical outlier. BW 🇬🇧
You need to Dynamat the car
@1:00 >Well, that was a lie
Completely teasing! Just disappointed to not see a series of videos on this topic after immediately hearing that!
(could add the 18" VS 19" wheels video to this playlist? As those seem to make a noticeable difference in sound level reduction?)
Im sure its difficult to make much progress on some EVs, but would love to see ambitious experiments to see what could be done given the motivation.
Was just wondering what would happen if the entire inside of the tire was lined with the sound damping foam! What might be the effect considering that seems to be the bulk of the sound when on rough roads..
And ways to adjust any surfaces for improved wind noise.
Have to say, in the video anyway, I can here no difference. Sounds the same.
hardly seems worth it. I think Tesla have probably optimised their car's sound proofing value per dollar already.
Hello!!!!!
hi!
Step 1 to have a quiet car: Buy a quality one, not a Tesla
DISLIKE DUDE ISNT HERE YET WHAT?!?!?
Even he likes a quiet ride
@@DirtyTesla I think this is something that everyone can get behind
It's a Tesla. Nothing lines up.
I don't hear any difference.
perception is the reality......just kidding. I think it could actually help, but it could also play a trick on your mind.
1st
You were talking far too much. I was trying to hear how it sounds. What sense does it make to talk so much for a video like this?