Making techno in 2020: maintain the punk attitude and use whatever you can get your hands on. The digital/analogue/hardware/software debate is secondary to expression. Great chat - keep spreading the word and subverting to nerd!
That's all well and good. But how to release? How to promote? How to get known? There's more of us doing this than ever. THAT is making it more difficult.
@@blakecasimir I thought I replied to this but then it vanished so I'll start again... Distribution and getting heard can be hard. You may use a distributer but you have to get the right one. Self releasing on your own terms is costly, but the friends/contact/lessons you make and learn along the way are all part of the process. It gets your music out to a wider range of people and means that people who like what you do are more likely to approach you to release your work. I rarely release digital and have released on vinyl over the last 10 years or so, sometimes on my own labels, sometimes on others, so can only really speak from my experience here, but I always found that having the faith to put your money where your mouth is, and a pox on the naysayers, can be the most satisfying route. If it doesn't work out - fuck it - do it again, and keep it on your terms. As with making music, it's an evolution and part of creating art for the sake of art.
This resonates strongly. Have been searching constantly for the "Flow State" from modular jams to mountain adventures and especially when things go wrong. Terrific stuff. Thank you!
I like that every time I saw or heard Surgeon speak, he is so down to earth about his skills and talent. Also the ad-hoc approach is something that's close to my MO.
Fasciniating interview! I saw Surgeon play a few times at house of god and always enjoyed the diversity and unexpected nature of his sound. Love his ethos. There are many imitators!
Thanks for the interview Mylar. Really great to hear that even Surgeon struggles with things going awry. I can very much relate to it going not where you want it to, having to break it down, and recover. It's a wonderful feeling.
Having had the honor of being an acquaintance of and also privileged to play with Charles Cohen live on 2 different occasions in the early ‘00s, he was a very quiet yet encouraging guy that was all about pushing sounds into the light! He had a interesting energy around him and he knew his way around that music easel! Mad skills!
im already on the first question and the question/answers given are extraordinary, i think what he is saying is very much a testament to creative endeavours being akin to working, and honing your craft rather than the idea of creativity being some kind of innate talent flowing out ones brain. this same flow state hes talking about where your brain is simultaneously thinking of what comes next and whats happening now, is also akin to just general life, that kind of state of being where dwelling on ones misfortunes or mistakes too much can send you into a negative spiral, the forward momentum is equally as critical to producing something more beneficial and healing.
Always keep a reverb on stand by, when things go haywire, let it pay for a while, drown it in reverb, mute the kick, fix the patch, bring kick back :))))
Would love one of these with Container! This was a really great podcast, and Surgeon was a great guest, loved hearing his take on all things electronic music
I stumbled across the podcast today, opted to go straight to this one, and really enjoyed it. I’ll be working my way through the series :) There are some nice parts in the conversation, especially the diff between hearing and listening, and the impact of environmental sounds; the drone from the motorway…
Love how Surgeon uses a minimal but powerful modular setup similar to what Julia Bondar does. I am focused on that for future live rig as it lets me master core modules deeply and have more fun. Plus carry a monster case to events is not fun.
Patrick Cowley is a Synth-God, I love dropping his tracks on the regular. Cowley also did a lot of work with the disco singer Sylvester. You can find some great Patrick Cowley items, Vinyl represses through Dark Entries Records here in San Francisco.
Thanks for sharing this, what a discussion!! A great chat with so much insight and inspiration! Loved it! Out of interest, what iPhone app is being discussed at ~36mins? thanks!
11:30 - meditative state...funny Surgeon mentioned that, I had a conversation with my spirit buddy, and we talked about performing live music, without any preparation and getting into no-ego spiritual state of body and mind:)
Great interview! What a nice chap. So I was sitting in my office on Monday morning [30/11/20] listening to the radio and this amazing track comes on... Yep, Mary Anne Hobbs on #6music was playing Surgeon! So many people texting in loving the vibe. Had to laugh, as I watched your podcast the day before!
Surgeon replied saying that he did do so for a long time. But of course you can, different people like different tools. I love the DAW and I'm sure Mylar and Tony both respect that
have made music in a daw for more than 20 years now, I wasn’t asking the question to have a go at daws, I was asking an expert how one creates music that sounds as “in the moment” as techno in a non realtime process
Don't want to spam "too much", so link, but check out my last live set before Covid hit "TAG. Modular live". Edit free live recording. I tool lots encouragement from the host her as well Surgeon.
@@mylarmelodies Their most loved most accessible Is Loves Secret Domain. The record is a by-product of them influenced by acid house in the late 80’s, although it’s not sounding exactly that. ua-cam.com/video/UJMQRfT3jRo/v-deo.html
@@mylarmelodies This music is very personal and deep. Coil was a labor of love from lovers John Balance and Peter “Sleazy” Christopherson.. Coil was not proper with any label. The project was funded by the wealth of Sleazy who was a partner in Hipgnosis (70’s album covers) and making videos for MTV in the 80’s, Both are now dead Their last album Ape Of Naples is the deepest and most diverse. Definitely early modular people and esoteric gear like Optigan. Best track on their (for me) The Last Amethyst Deceivers. ua-cam.com/video/k0x77EdoXhw/v-deo.html
This is not really a real UA-cam Video, you just put a recorded podcast to UA-cam it seems to me, put almost 10minutes commercial BLA, as complete first ten minutes are just like commercial. furthermore, as even the so popular name Surgeon, you are directly cutting in afterwards, so you are making his name kind of part of it in that sense.. sry I am honest, to me it seems a questionable format
My dear Tim, this is a podcast and I don’t know a better way to explain it but this is literally what podcasts are. You can also find it on every podcast platform as audio only. Podcasts have adverts in them because otherwise you are producing content which can take multiple days to create at entirely your own cost. I do not even begin to make a profit in terms of the value of my time invested but I do it because I (largely - the interview bit and when it’s out there) enjoy the process. My podcasts exist on UA-cam as a courtesy and because I used to do them in person and film them, in fact I am able sometimes include webcam footage, for example the one last posted with James Blake. I guess you’re new here but if you stick around, you will see.
The first 1000 people to use the link will get a free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership: skl.sh/mylarmelodies11201
cc # required
@@ratchetboo 🤣 These podcasts with ADS in them...unbelievable eh!!
Never clicked a video so fast just to hear two dudes talk about repeating noises
Don Buchla: "Anything is possible. We're not limited by technology; we are not limited by instruments. We're limited only by our mindsets"
Making techno in 2020: maintain the punk attitude and use whatever you can get your hands on. The digital/analogue/hardware/software debate is secondary to expression. Great chat - keep spreading the word and subverting to nerd!
That's all well and good. But how to release? How to promote? How to get known? There's more of us doing this than ever. THAT is making it more difficult.
@@blakecasimir I thought I replied to this but then it vanished so I'll start again...
Distribution and getting heard can be hard. You may use a distributer but you have to get the right one.
Self releasing on your own terms is costly, but the friends/contact/lessons you make and learn along the way are all part of the process. It gets your music out to a wider range of people and means that people who like what you do are more likely to approach you to release your work. I rarely release digital and have released on vinyl over the last 10 years or so, sometimes on my own labels, sometimes on others, so can only really speak from my experience here, but I always found that having the faith to put your money where your mouth is, and a pox on the naysayers, can be the most satisfying route. If it doesn't work out - fuck it - do it again, and keep it on your terms. As with making music, it's an evolution and part of creating art for the sake of art.
PerseusTraxx making techno in 2021, use joe biden samples to destroy woke culture.
@@naturecollision sounds like you're talking shit.
Software is not real techno
Sign of a great podcast when you have to pause it every 15 minutes to have a bit of think about all the inspiring ideas it raises. Nice one!
This resonates strongly. Have been searching constantly for the "Flow State" from modular jams to mountain adventures and especially when things go wrong. Terrific stuff. Thank you!
YES! thank you! We have all been waiting for this!! 🥰🥰
The STOOR remote streams have been amazing.
All of their streams actually, highly recommended!
with you on that one
@@adamoliver82 Cheers!
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the top notch limited vinyl they release as well
I have a few of those gems on my shelves
Agreed. Surprised they hadn’t really blown up.
I like that every time I saw or heard Surgeon speak, he is so down to earth about his skills and talent. Also the ad-hoc approach is something that's close to my MO.
Basically been waiting for this chat since your first Bleep.. Cheers for the endless inspiration and music of Surgeon.
When a podcast resinates with every part of your world... Amazing!
it really blows my mind that anthony recorded his first releases in Mick Harris studio, thats so cool.
Fasciniating interview! I saw Surgeon play a few times at house of god and always enjoyed the diversity and unexpected nature of his sound. Love his ethos. There are many imitators!
Thank you for inviting Surgeon!
Thanks for the interview Mylar.
Really great to hear that even Surgeon struggles with things going awry.
I can very much relate to it going not where you want it to, having to break it down, and recover.
It's a wonderful feeling.
Having had the honor of being an acquaintance of and also privileged to play with Charles Cohen live on 2 different occasions in the early ‘00s, he was a very quiet yet encouraging guy that was all about pushing sounds into the light! He had a interesting energy around him and he knew his way around that music easel! Mad skills!
im already on the first question and the question/answers given are extraordinary, i think what he is saying is very much a testament to creative endeavours being akin to working, and honing your craft rather than the idea of creativity being some kind of innate talent flowing out ones brain. this same flow state hes talking about where your brain is simultaneously thinking of what comes next and whats happening now, is also akin to just general life, that kind of state of being where dwelling on ones misfortunes or mistakes too much can send you into a negative spiral, the forward momentum is equally as critical to producing something more beneficial and healing.
YES YES YES ! You know we were waiting for this episode !
Always keep a reverb on stand by, when things go haywire, let it pay for a while, drown it in reverb, mute the kick, fix the patch, bring kick back :))))
Yes! The Residents 👁 my fave band of all time. Big up Surgeon. Great podcast 👍🏻
Would love one of these with Container! This was a really great podcast, and Surgeon was a great guest, loved hearing his take on all things electronic music
Great conversation here.
I stumbled across the podcast today, opted to go straight to this one, and really enjoyed it. I’ll be working my way through the series :)
There are some nice parts in the conversation, especially the diff between hearing and listening, and the impact of environmental sounds; the drone from the motorway…
I really enjoyed this session. There were some great nuggets of wisdom and insight in that dialogue. Refreshing to say the least. Thanks!
Love how Surgeon uses a minimal but powerful modular setup similar to what Julia Bondar does. I am focused on that for future live rig as it lets me master core modules deeply and have more fun. Plus carry a monster case to events is not fun.
This. This is a Conversation of Significance.
It´s us that holds us back … such true and inspiring words! Really enjoyed your conversation about creativity and the live improvisation. Thank you!
I really hope that one day I'll have a chance to shake his hand and say 'thank you'... beautiful soul... his approach to music.. L E G E N D...
Fascinating stuff, Surgeon is a legend.
Lots to absorb here! An amazing discussion on the philosophical and mechanical means to infinite variety!
What a wonderful conversation!
never heard mylar stumped for words until tony says he doesn't do modular live anymore, i could hear the gears going round trying to work that out.
Get Aphex Twin on the podcast :)
Not a far stretch at this point! Let’s cross our digits
Patrick Cowley is a Synth-God, I love dropping his tracks on the regular. Cowley also did a lot of work with the disco singer Sylvester. You can find some great Patrick Cowley items, Vinyl represses through Dark Entries Records here in San Francisco.
Yes! Can't wait to listen to this.
Totally get that thing about exploring when improvising with others. Looking forward to getting back to that.
That last question and answer gave me the chills, keep searching! Something fresh on the horizon! Ha. I totally shared this..
🙌
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. I haven't watched this yet, but I've been waiting for you to do Tony!
Thanks for sharing this, what a discussion!! A great chat with so much insight and inspiration! Loved it! Out of interest, what iPhone app is being discussed at ~36mins? thanks!
Man this was great!
11:30 - meditative state...funny Surgeon mentioned that, I had a conversation with my spirit buddy, and we talked about performing live music, without any preparation and getting into no-ego spiritual state of body and mind:)
Thanks for this! super comfy chat :)
“I enjoy how ridiculous it is” - I love this. Shows how completely UNpretentious Tony is (not that it needed any further evidence)
this is the guy who, for a video interview, introduced himself by saying "Hi, my name's Tony and I play music at people!"
frickin' legend
Great interview! What a nice chap. So I was sitting in my office on Monday morning [30/11/20] listening to the radio and this amazing track comes on... Yep, Mary Anne Hobbs on #6music was playing Surgeon! So many people texting in loving the vibe. Had to laugh, as I watched your podcast the day before!
Ah mazing! He’s a very good chap. What was the tune I wonder?!
@@mylarmelodies It was Winged Assassin :)
Fantastic episode
Does anyone know what earplugs Surgeon uses?
Surgeon is referring to a video that has Blawan playing the buchla....anyone have a link to that? did a google search but didn't have any hits
Fun interview thanks
The Boss!❤️
Pre listen comment, great stuff!
that was fucking great, super inspiring
Yes, please update us on your remote jamming tools.
I'd love to hear Robert Aiki Aubrey Lowe on your podcast. Would be an interesting discussion.
Yes, yes, yes!!!
Innershades - Aalst To Charlois is for me a peak example of a 4/4 track that is undeniably electro 😄
This was great!! I would love to hear some stripped down sessions of your stuff DBI plus 2 synths etc =)
Surgeon masterclass.
megatron man is SUCH a tune
thank you
Great interview
It actually happened!
it actually happened
Like Gabrielle said, dreeeeeeams can come true!
1:34:41 More cats 🐈
whaaaaaat yeeeeeees!
i can now die happy
Ace!
"how do you make techno in a DAW?"
you guys are unbelievable snobs!
by putting in the work, just like with any other tool, that's how
Surgeon replied saying that he did do so for a long time. But of course you can, different people like different tools. I love the DAW and I'm sure Mylar and Tony both respect that
have made music in a daw for more than 20 years now, I wasn’t asking the question to have a go at daws, I was asking an expert how one creates music that sounds as “in the moment” as techno in a non realtime process
@@mylarmelodies that comment was meant in a friendly, not snarky way!
@@personnealienee Ahh sorry, needed more winky smileys!
@@mylarmelodies haha will do next time
btw what was this phone app you mentioned, one to make nice loops with?
Don't want to spam "too much", so link, but check out my last live set before Covid hit "TAG. Modular live". Edit free live recording.
I tool lots encouragement from the host her as well Surgeon.
!!!
House of God sinners at The Dance Factory say aye!
listening is selective hearing, yes.
Two opportunities to talk about Coil, and you dropped the ball.
I’ve never listened to Coil. Educate me
@@mylarmelodies
Their most loved most accessible
Is Loves Secret Domain. The record is a by-product of them influenced by acid house in the late 80’s, although it’s not sounding exactly that.
ua-cam.com/video/UJMQRfT3jRo/v-deo.html
Thanks, will rectify my wayward ways
@@mylarmelodies
Most serious fans probably have “Musick To Play In The Dark” as favorite
ua-cam.com/video/H7VAlw3d72s/v-deo.html
@@mylarmelodies
This music is very personal and deep.
Coil was a labor of love from lovers John Balance and Peter “Sleazy” Christopherson..
Coil was not proper with any label. The project was funded by the wealth of Sleazy who was a partner in Hipgnosis (70’s album covers) and making videos for MTV in the 80’s,
Both are now dead
Their last album Ape Of Naples is the deepest and most diverse. Definitely early modular people and esoteric gear like Optigan.
Best track on their (for me) The Last Amethyst Deceivers.
ua-cam.com/video/k0x77EdoXhw/v-deo.html
If the live set gets too smooth just add a cat 🐈
C'mon baby lay your love on me = Racey (not ABBA)
Nah, this! ua-cam.com/video/2seCB54Bv-c/v-deo.html
Also, every hipster and their grandma started playing the track after I-F’s now legendary Dekmantel set in 2015. Credit where credit is due..
Tony your last answer sounds exactly like Peter Thiel’s thesis.
Bald.
This is not really a real UA-cam Video, you just put a recorded podcast to UA-cam it seems to me, put almost 10minutes commercial BLA, as complete first ten minutes are just like commercial. furthermore, as even the so popular name Surgeon, you are directly cutting in afterwards, so you are making his name kind of part of it in that sense.. sry I am honest, to me it seems a questionable format
My dear Tim, this is a podcast and I don’t know a better way to explain it but this is literally what podcasts are. You can also find it on every podcast platform as audio only. Podcasts have adverts in them because otherwise you are producing content which can take multiple days to create at entirely your own cost. I do not even begin to make a profit in terms of the value of my time invested but I do it because I (largely - the interview bit and when it’s out there) enjoy the process. My podcasts exist on UA-cam as a courtesy and because I used to do them in person and film them, in fact I am able sometimes include webcam footage, for example the one last posted with James Blake. I guess you’re new here but if you stick around, you will see.
Tim, time to get out of that corner mate. You sound like someone who suddenly woke up 2022 and never heard a podcast before.
@@vitaklon accepted
@@mylarmelodies agreed