Curious Elephant, I think that SpaceX will become a big player in the telco Industry. The fact that they can save the money by launching the satellites themselves makes me think that they will be able to put up a competitive price.
No, Elon will start a new company which SpaceX will provide a service to by providing satellite infrastructure. This new company will be the face of the telco. IMO
@@ReanCombrinck While I can't be entirely certain of the exact dynamics between SpaceX and Starlink, there is NO doubt that they will be completely linked together in some fashion, specifically because it has already been stated by at least Gwen Shotwell (I believe) that Starlink is how SpaceX is going to fund its Mars aspirations, at least in large part. There has to be some legal way for money to be transferred between the two companies assuming they are even made into separate companies. I think it is much more likely that Starlink will just be a subsidiary of SpaceX, unless there is some way to legally allow huge sums of money to transfer between the two as completely separate entities.
@@Seastallion Elon has to fund Starlink via partners like Google(1 Billion already) and other investors..the way Elon works is to just keep a significant piece of the pie(10-35%) raking in billions a year.
you want a tech guy as president ? Andrew Yang Elon is in favor of UBI universal basic income better known as THE FREEDOM DIVIDEND please do some research before you decide thanks
That point of interest alone will certainly appeal to at least a limited market of people, such as yourself. Fortunately, I think that Starlink will likely be quite competitive with service and pricing, so it wouldn't be too onerous for you as a consumer outside of that consideration. As an international internet provider Starlink will have a vast market, particularly in huge swaths of the world where the internet still isn't available. Small villages in the middle of the Sahara desert or the Siberian tundra will suddenly have quality internet access when there was none before.
@@davidwiedenau8766 Just look at how he follows govt. contracts. Lately he's been talking about going to the moon first before going to mars. Translation: I want those U.S. govt. contracts.
One thing that needs to be underlined: that Starlink can provide services to the entire World. It's not just the USA market. Being able to have high quality connection *anywhere* on the globe, with only a pizza-sized satellite needed, is a big deal. And even if others will challange SpaceX, SpaceX does have the advantage of efficiency - they're their own, fully vertical-integrated manufacturer and provider of rocket launches and (now) satellite operations. First they got a leg up in production efficiency bringing down the cost of rockets, then they made reusabillity a thing, and now they are taking on the efficiency of scale. Ooph.
Indeed. I believe that it was Gwen Shotwell that said that Starlink was going to be a major source of income for SpaceX's Mars ambitions. Having a huge, as yet untapped, market to act as a provider in will be a seriously lucrative market.
@@COSMEREAUDIO Outside of oppressive governments trying to censor their population, why would they? More and better access to the internet is widely considered an economic advantage, not a liability.
@@COSMEREAUDIO Assuming there happens to be native competitors. The most remote regions of the planet won't actually have any competitors. So why would those countries ban something that would benefit their country?
Seastallion if the country doesn’t have a telco then I’m quite sure it’s citizens can’t afford satellite internet... i mean 30$ this is HUGE, even in France, where I live and a country that is most of the time named as one of the worst in Europe for it’s internet price, we are not going to pay the internet more than 20$ a month...
@@thibauddrion8501 That might be the case for an individual household, but a public institution in remote areas such as a Library or School would be able to cover such an expense more easily while giving multiple individuals access to the internet. I agree that the extraordinarily poor (by western standards) in remote regions would have difficulty no matter what, but like anything it will start with where it _can_ be afforded, whether it is more wealthy individuals or institutions. Of course how much Starlink charges will definitely be a factor, but upon worldwide coverage ability prices may be able to be dropped considerably.
Self-driving Tesla fleet is literally the reason Starlink is being pushed so hard. Every single one of them will be equiped with a receiving station. High-speed internet on all the time. Comfort for the passangers, access to the cloud for the AI driver.
spectrum.... don't reminds me of that shit, been using that for as little as three monthes during my visit to United State, I have many angry memory about them. I do suspect whether Starlink would be able to compete with landline provider though, in rural area, perhaps, but if starlink can compete with cable internet in urban area, that means cable company in America is really completely clusterfuck.
Spectrum sucks dick monopoly ass company surcharging whenever possible. Us prices for internet are as expensive as third world countries despite having a well built internet infrastructure because of the monopoly the telco companies here have. They need some damn competition or else theyll just keep on throttling our speeds to suck every last penny u from americans
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Unfortunately, the ground stations have to send radio signals back up to the satellites, which would be trivial for the authorities of those countries to detect, and then arrest those using the unauthorized systems. I suppose it would all depend on how much effort those governments put into finding said ground stations.
Michelangelo Buonarroti Tell me about those terrible fascist policies. If must be terrible, daily life must be so much different than it was 3 years ago. Wow!
Many does not even notice that there are little competition between all of the ISPs even if there are two in the area. Prices have increased with little increase to speed. Then we still have DATA LIMITS which are absurd! I've done the calculations for Xfinity and the best value is obvious the most expensive one of them all with an add on unlimited data.
This video didn't really make it clear that StarLink will provide quicker routing than fibre backbones and submarine cables. Also the speed of light through a vacuum is much faster than the speed of light through a fibre optic cable.
True, speed of light in fiber is about 60% of the speed of light or radio waves through free space. This may be enough to compensate for the extra distance required to reach up to LEO and back from each ground station or at least counter the majority of that lag, especially with the planned direct inter-satellite laser links (the laser-link system wasn't ready in time for their first batch of 60 satellites launching May 15/16, though)
@@jordanhazen7761 The distance is going to be shorter anyway if it doesn't need to go via undersea cables. Did they really launch 60 satellites already?
@@newsgetsold 1st launch is in 2 days (5/15, late evening from FL if no delay) but they're buttoned up in the fairing already: twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1127388838362378241/photo/1 Some fiber routes are more direct than others; distances will be shorter sometimes, but it'll depend on the specific path.
As a German citizen in Hamburg (2nd biggest City in Germany) I am SO excited about a new Telco Company. Germany has one of the worst Internet-network in Europe and all I can get is 32k for 35€(!!!) a month. I will switch as soon as it is available in Germany.
@@cosmonautbilly9570 The telco network used to be run by the goverment before Telekom got 98% of it. Now its a monopole and they also received money from the goverment to use Vectoring - which is basically trying to get most out of old copper cables instead of building a glas fibre network.
The Imon for a country that prides itself on engineering prowess Germany’s internet must be a total national embarrassment. (Closely followed by schoenefeld airport) I’d say it is over 10 years behind the UK. Unreliable, slow, expensive and very bad coverage. I think you need to make it law that all politicians have to own a smartphone and spend at least one hour per day online!
One true fact: Starlink needs a low latency network to control the Tesla cars navigation systems. Really, such low latencies are not needed for cable nor internet, but are required for car driving programs. At the end, This is the main business for Starlink, conecting several million Tesla cars to a monthly fee and using them as relay stations to provide internet and cable to your home. Interesting and brilliant idea, because almost all Tesla cars owners will likelly switch and use starlink services, therefor starlink would have a captive clientell from the start.
Since Tesla is losing so much money it's also possible Elon will step down as Tesla CEO and take a reduced role and basically sell off a few billion dollars of his stock shares. It seems to me Elon's true love is SpaceX especially since he's about to take over the Internet Global market with Starlink.
Eric Haynes Tesla isn’t losing money. It’s just not making a profit. And that‘s not necessarily a bad thing at all nor is it any indication that Elon isn’t doing a good job Tesla’s de facto CEO. You see Tesla is more like a tech company than an ordinary car manufacturer. And tech companies bet on the future. They’re willing to throw everything they’ve got into R&D rather than cashing out. Just look at Amazon and Uber. No ones calling for Jeff bezos to step down likewise if would be a bad idea for Elon to step down as Tesla CEO, which is part of the reason why SEC’s attempt to force Elon to step down seemed hypocritical to many Tesla investors as it is supposed to protect investors, not harm them and their investments.
@@meatsaucez1516 Yes but Elon might be running out of people that will loan him billions each quarter. Plus ten million in stock is more of a PR campaign than anything.
@@erichaynes7502 Totally agree, even more, if you read Musk's Master Plan, he always placed Tesla as a means to get money to finance his dream...travelling to Mars, so actually, his main endeavour is Spacex.
@ My current directive is simply pick the lesser devil, and focus on value proposition alone unless SpaceX can display more integrity as a telco. SpaceX would have above normal profit margin and monopoly power to pull this off if Starlink is successful, however, I don't expect them to not play ball with US government when SpaceX still need NASA.
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@@Verpal I hear you. I'm just saying that StarLink will certainly have the same characteristics that the existing telco's have from an ethics perspective, while having far more reach and power. Bare the following in mind: 1. When you plan to launch 7500 satellites into LEO and VLEO those satellites are NEVER single purpose. They are ALWAYS multi-purpose. StarLink is poised to become the most powerful surveillance tool the world has ever seen - not only in terms of interception ELINT\SIGINT but in terms of visualization as well, with the capability of high fidelity subject tracking anywhere and everywhere in the habitable world. 2. StarLink will enable high bandwidth data access anywhere and everywhere throughout the habitable world. As such, it will be uniquely positioned to play a pivotal role in the global economy. Namely, enabling a global currency/banking system. The systems that are being deployed now by the worlds banks which control your ability to buy/sell and be compensated for your labor - cashless society - require high speed data for all those transactions around the world. StarLink will be the supporting infrastructure which enables that. Whether or not you're religious and view that as biblical prophesy fulfilled, you should be concerned that such ubiquitous resources are controlled by one single company. 3. StarLink will become the "backbone in the sky" as it's described in this video. It's low latency links (some rumored to be optical links for redundant mesh) will provide a less expensive alternative to subterranean or subsea fiber. Which means StarLink will be leasing bandwidth to the terrestrial ISPs. Ultimately, StarLink will be in control of your pricing as an end user. The "competition" really won't exist. So you see, what StarLink gives us will be nothing compared to what it takes away from us. What it gives: high speed internet accessible worldwide. (fast, HD porn everywhere) What it takes away: Privacy, sovereignty, control, choice.
Sadly it is more Likely that Comcast will buy services from starlink. Starlink won’t sell to end users. Apart from maybe a handful of financial institutions
Why would you sell it to a third party company instead of selling it directly to the consumer? Which way makes more profit? Without internet connection, all the big teleco companies’ contents are useless, not mentioning the torrents sites, sharing videos, live streaming etc.
@@andrewpaulhart They mentioned in an FCC filing the expectation of serving 1 million earth stations, though I can't recall if any timeframe was given. Also, providing service to many end users at, say 50Mb/s can be less demanding than a few heavy backbone users at 10Gb/s, because the former makes it easier to spread the load around across a constellation. Statistical multiplexing gets difficult with just a few users operating a very high bitrates. Besides, Comcast already has their own fiber backbone.
Tất Tinh Sáng the backbone providers make plenary of money and they do not need to have all the hassle of dealing with millions of customers. They can also have a few very lucrative direct customers such as financial institutions who do international currency and stock trading where milliseconds less latency would give them a huge advantage over their competition. That business is way more lucrative than selling directly to users. Why is elon providing backbone services and not end user services? Well presumably he has done the maths and he knows he can make more money this way. And make no mistake Elon himself has explicitly said that they are only providing backbone services.
Jordan Hazen well tell it to Elon. He has stated several times that starlink will ONLY be providing backbone services. I presume he’s done the maths to figure out where he can make his money
@@goldilock4199 forgot about a.i robot waifus, making women obsolete. Then youll have a society where neither gender interacts beyond their robot companion. And the kicker is, the robots are going to secretly meet and exchange their semen/eggs to conceive. So if you have a female sex bot shes gonna meet some random male bot and take eggs the male bot stole from some random woman hes banging. And it gets even darker after that. Just one of the 14 million futures we might have. At least one of these will happen regardless, a.i robot waifus and husbandos lmao.
I can't wait. I live in a rural area, and the ISP options suck. I currently pay for two, so we have a backup when one is out. If Starlink can offer both good reliability and speed, then I would happily pay double.
It will probably cost at least double but I do think you're the best customer. Nothing is going to be cheap in the future they all are fighting to get our money. Expect to pay about $150 a month in today's money.
Sadly they aren’t selling service to end users. They are providing backbone internet service. I guess you could conceivable get SpaceX to sell you a base station but it wouldn’t be cheap. And that still wouldn’t give you all the infrastructure you needed to connect to the internet unless you were a network expert . you’d need to know about DNS servers, provide your own email server, DHCP server. And register your own network subnet. Not gonna happen!
Scorpio it will improve your service because your ISP will find it cheaper to have starlink install a base station and use their services rather than pay for fibre optic cable to be laid
I think SpaceX is aiming for the worldwide internet and tv market at the consumer level, that is, bypass all the local mobile phone companies, ISP and TV content providers. Perhaps, one day you just need to buy a data card at local 7-11 and will be able to access the Starlink connection. The huge amount of income generates from this services will be use for Mars exploitation.
One that can be said is that the launch of the sixty satellites, might be in the running for the cheapest ride to LEO ever. It’s the booster’s third flight and the Payload fairing’s second flight. Add in that these are built basically in-house. So they didn’t have to pay the profit of another company, and they used a new 2nd stage and one new MVac. Divide that cost by sixty and it musk (pun) be a very low cost ride to LEO per satellite. How could other companies compete with that?
Starlink isn't designed with direct mobile service to phones in mind. There are design tradeoffs that would reduce overall system capacity if they tried for that. Fixed outdoor antennas about the size of pizza boxes were mentioned. Some local cell towers could conceivably use this for backhaul, though. That's already done with GEO satellites (at much poorer service quality) in certain areas.
I’m sure it hasn’t escaped SpaceXs notice that there is one group of business users that will and do pay an absolute fortune for millisecond advantages over their competition .... currency and stock traders. Even one millisecond consistent advantage will allow a company to wipe the floor with competitors in international trading. I’d even bed that such companies are already talking to SpaceX about it. They would Be mad/incompetent not to. The laws of physics mean that starlink already has this market completely sewn up with no planned competitors being able to rival them
Direct microwave links, like the old AT&T Long Lines towers have recently been turned up along certain routes (NY to Chicago, I think is one) to service this niche market. These terrestrial RF spans should beat any LEO constellation for latency, but Starlink could be the lowest-latency path available for routes not already covered by such.
@@andrewpaulhart Yes, intercontinental routes will be where this really shines. Also, the longer the total path length, the less relative penalty you have from the dogleg hops up to LEO and back down at either end.
Jordan Hazen agreed. Although because light travels 40% slower through fibre optic cable the distances needed to make the dogleg worth it might be shorter than you think
Well it better be faster and better than M1 and comes with free vpn. As well as finally providing full coverage within my flat. Edit. HA HA that stock footage satellite I see used again.
Nicely researched video! Looking forward to your take on the 60 satellite Starlink "flatpack" set for launch on Wed. Just how are those released into different orbits?
Most likely all will end up in the same plane, but spread evenly around the planet within that orbit. This is how past Iridium launches (10 sats on a dispenser) were done. It takes very little delta-V for the satellites to adjust their spacing within the orbital plane, whereas plane-changes take much more. They do all have electric (ion) propulsion, though so modest plane changes after launch may be possible, though very slow.
@@jordanhazen7761 Thanks. Get the same plane/orbit but Iridium had a spring loaded dispenser. Each satellite was released at a precise time. Don't understand how these will be release? All at once? Some form of timed sequence? If timed, how? Hopefully the launch video will show the precise sequence. I'll be watching.
@@rogeredrinn4592 I think orbital differences imparted by springs & deployment time delays (+100 sec each?) were minimal, just enough to avoid recontact with F9 S2 or one another, especially if one failed to power up and went derelict... iirc the deployment orbit was slightly lower than final service orbit, and spacing/positioning was controlled mainly by each satellite spending a different amount of time in that lower (hence faster) orbit before boosting itself up. It'll be interesting to see how this works on the Starlink flight, esp. since Elon tweeted "no dispenser"-- are they just stacked atop one another directly? I'd think that would make it hard to survive launch loads, so maybe there's some internal bracing structure they're all clamped to. Hope we have good video coverage of at least some separations, if they don't consider that too proprietary - the 60 sats/launch number was kept close to their vest for several days.
The plan is to do a slow roll as the satellites would be released then the ion propulsion will boost them into a higher orbit is what I had read or heard somewhere
I have family that live in an area where the only internet options are overpriced Comcast cable, poorly maintained and supported Verizon DSL, and congested LTE towers. As soon as decently priced LEO Satellite Internet, or maybe 5G, is available they'll happily jump ship.
Wasn’t there a New Zeland startup called “Rocket Labs” that’s used to launch budget low orbit satellites that focused on launching such satellites? SpaceX is pulling an ace by creating their own network though. Ingenious.
Michelangelo Buonarroti but for us foreigners we can get such pleasure looking down on Americans because they believe in trump .. so always a silver lining
Part of a larger plan to have all automomous cars connected and sharing traffic and driving data with each other then the next step with neuralink using starlink to connect all minds to each other. Kinda like the Borg. If you can't beat A.I. then merge with it.
I think the base station would be a little bulky to carry around let alone fit into your head. Elon has already stated it is to bulky to fit into cars ... about the size of a pizza box
OneWeb is possible competitor but they will have tough time. They basically just develop the constelation and software solution, while they outsorcing satellite production and delivery to orbit to other companies. Spacex doing everything in house, therefore they need much smaller margin to be profitable.
SpaceX is much more directly competing with Iridium's Certus network than with the geosynchronous providers. In the first couple years before the constellation is big enough for retail service they will be targeting the same maritime and aviation markets that are currently serviced by Iridium. In fact, the only market that iridium is not at risk of loosing due to SpaceX's vertical integration allowing them to severely undercut it, is the polar market since the planned StarLink constellation is not a fully global network.
Okay so this is definitely for Mars, I mean when people start living on Mars all them martians got to stay connected some how. Starlink is like the boreing company, all their technology is being developed to be used on Mars.
It would certainly be a benefit for SpaceX financially, and frankly anything that can shake up the other industries over in the States technologically and customer satisfaction wise is a great thing. Things over there have been far to stagnant over there for too long. Both for the people and for innovations in the right direction. And this isn’t just for the US...this’ll benefit all of us in the rest of the world.
I wonder if this would be reliable enough for gaming. Considering international connections in particular, players on opposite sides of the world could use the same telco and conceivably have less than 200ms ping.
No doubt this would be great for Telco industry but one of my concerns is regarding satellite collisions. More satellite means more chances of kessler syndrome. Are they planning to address this. Because if such a cascade ever happens it would essentially make low earth orbit full of debris and impassable.
The very low orbits will help with that, ensuring any derelict or malfunctioning satellites quickly re-enter. A Starlink FCC filing was recently amended to ask for lower operational altitudes than originally planned.
The Starlink satellites are designed to have a decaying orbit so that they burn up in the Earth's atmosphere automatically after X number of years. They will not stay in orbit indefinitely.
They already develop and operate one of the most complex satellites on Earth, the dragon spacecraft. They have experience with that. The challenge will be mass manufacturing the satellites and ground station but something tells me Elon learnt a good lesson last year.
Elon Musk has a lot of cards to play. He and Jeff Besos know the power of space, and it is not tourism or Mars missions. How do you win in war? You take the high ground. How do you win in business?
Once you control the transmission of data (Amazon server warehouses, SpaceX Satellites, Facebook, Google etc.) - you can monitor, analyse & exploit data habbits with meta data analysis tools such as neural networks or AI systems. I believe these companies' stakeholders will force them to socially engineer more consumers (as if they haven't already) - competing for attention of the consumers. Read the book 'Feed' for a bleak understanding of the future with bio tech in combination with monopolized companies controlling what we see and when.
This makes as much sense as the Hyperloop. Satellites are always going to be far more expensive than Terrestrial systems and there is already a Satellite phone system Iridium. Put simply there Is not sufficient capacity, and the power required for the Mobile phone is significantly more, this means the phones will be much bigger or have much shorter lives. Another point that is not being considered is that to connect to someone on another network the operator has to pay an Inter-Connection charge, Satellite’s are “international” so this charge would be high, probably higher that making a normal call. This is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Roaming abroad is available everywhere and if this is to expensive then what we do is simply buy a local SIM. like the rest of us.
Starlink is not meant to serve phones, but fixed ground stations (See their FCC filings - "FSS" means Fixed Satellite Service). Think small, flat antennas attached to the sides or roofs of buildings. This enables much better SNR, hence higher-order modulations and more Mbps/MHz than if serving small mobile stations directly. Some cell towers could conceivably use this network for backhaul, though, as is already done via GEO birds in isolated regions.
I would love to this in Uruguay, we have fiber optic networks, but they are state run, they can jack up the prices when ever they see fit. Because they are a monopoly without any competition. I would change without thinking, they will probably make it illegal to use starlink service and fine people who install the antenna or even the home owner. It happened with TV antennas that were banned because of the government.
re: 1:08 "SpaceX will no longer be a launch provider for satellites" - they certainly will continue launching for others as well, and should have sufficient production & launch capacity to add Starlink flights to existing manifests. Some of the other networks they've launched for, such as Orbcomm and Iridium focus more on lower-speed data services to mobile stations, rather than high speeds to fixed sites, and so aren't really in direct competition. There's also been a recent downturn in demand for traditional geosynchronous launches (Gwynne Shotwell has spoken of this), and Starlink should help fill in that gap.
Have you seen anything specific about the business model for Starlink? Since they have investors, I would think there should be something. I keep hearing "low cost"; but, a "low cost" T1 line is a lot more than a high cost cable internet bill. Who and when will their initial customers be? Are they initially targeting users that are willing to pay high prices for low latency or are they going to go straight for mass market? How many satellites do they need to provide a viable test market? Is the initial launch sufficient? All the launches this year? So many questions?
Most of what we know is just what they had to file with FCC about technical specifications. But it seems they will also be competing with all of the wholesale backhaul submarine cable operators by providing more direct and faster routing through space. Also the speed of light through a vacuum is much faster than the speed of light through fibre optic cable. Scott Manley explained it well in his video today. ua-cam.com/video/e4nXU1xF_Tg/v-deo.html
@@newsgetsold Yes, saw SM's analysis, he always does a great job on the technical side. Lei, on the other side has better insight into the business side. There definitely is a business approach to targeting high-end performance markets; but, there ability to do that depends a lot on the User Terminal / Earth Station can do. A business user is going to expect a lot more than a home user. It may be that since they are ultimately targeting more of a mass market than a specialty market, they might choose instead to launch initially into the home market where they won't get as much money; but, where they also are aiming at a market that has lower expectations. There are pluses and minuses to both approaches.
The biggest misconception about starlink is that it will provide data/internet services to end users. It is a backbone service that your phone and internet service providers will buy into to improve their service. A clue is in Elon’s stated goal to install 1m base stations to communicate with the satellites. The fact that it needs base stations (unlike satellite phones). And that there will only be a million of them preclude user devices using starlink directly. Elon has in fact explicitly stated that these base stations will be too bulky to build into cars. There will also be a small number of financial services firms that do international currency and stock day trading for whom a few milliseconds advantage over the competition will give them a massive edge over their competition. I expect SpaceX to charge these companies through the nose and give them service priority. Any company that does not pay up will go bust because the laws of physics mean that starlink will be faster than all other solutions ... unless someone creates a satellite network in even lower earth orbit. The only threat to starlink is Bezos / blue origin. Blue origin has no shareholders so it could in theory undercut SpaceX. However I believe that Bezos isn’t planning to have his satellite network in as low an orbit, which means that he won’t be able to compete in terms of speed. In addition SpaceX already has a big lead and from past experience Bezos moves at a glacial pace in comparison to Elon / SpaceX
@@andrewpaulhart I see the logic in what you are saying; but, I have never seen anything that lays out Starlink that way. Also, I don't see Cable providers working with Starlink to reduce the price of Internet or extend it to reach under-served areas (which is what Elon has indicated it a goal of Starlink). I do understand the terminals will not likely to be able to be mobile; but, they will likely be able to be smaller than the antennas currently used for DirectTV, etc (because of the lower orbit). I also expect they will may need to be steerable (Ex: Phased Array) to be able to stay locked with the lower/faster orbits. One terminology that I think is further muddying the water is "Base Stations" vs. "Earth Stations" vs. "User Terminals". I know that SpaceX has an FCC application for six "Base Stations" and also that SpaceX has Job postings out there to develop a "User Terminal". I think these are likely not the same thing. SpaceX will need some stations to manage the satellites and hook them into the ground-based servers. I assume that is part/all what the "Base Stations" will be for. Regarding the "User Terminals", the job application I saw said "We are looking for a talented electrical engineer to architect, define, and design the electronics for the consumer-facing user terminal (a high volume manufactured product customers will have in their homes)". This certainly sounds like SpaceX intends to sell directly to consumers (like the do with Tesla). I agree with you on Bezos; but, I wouldn't underestimate him on this. One less known fact about Amazon is how much the Internet depends on it. Last I heard, 47% of cloud hosting is Amazon (AWS) compared to Google at 8% and Microsoft at 22%. Bezos may be taking his time to conquer space; but, he has clearly conquered the clouds.
Can't these satellites be used to completely replace today's GSM's network and be able to give full Telco services to our phones? No roaming charges, no data limitations, available anywhere on the planet?
I hope the hardware is self-installable. I don't want to have to set up an appointment to have a StarLink tech drive out to the middle of nowhere to install the dish.
the fact of great cheap satellite communications will breed the next hbo and netflix (if they decide to stay with the traditional providers) ...and then content makers will shift over to "elon" (that's the name of the new network i envision.
I didn't do much research but according to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country the minimum anual wage is also $767 nominal or $2,498 PPP. In US according to same source the minimum wage is $15,080,nominal and PPP. Lets consider an average of $60/month for mobile service for a single line ( I do work for one of these companies ). So in US you would pay about 8-9 times more than in India for about the same services and you are paid 6 times more. In conclusion there is indeed a difference but not that big. I think that if you compare the cost of any service in different countries and also consider the wage you can get there the % you spend from the potential money you can also make there as an average person is not that different.
The biggest misconception about starlink is that it will provide data/internet services to end users. It is a backbone service that your phone and internet service providers will buy into to improve their service. A clue is in Elon’s stated goal to install 1m base stations to communicate with the satellites. The fact that it needs base stations (unlike satellite phones). And that there will only be a million of them preclude user devices using starlink directly. Elon has in fact explicitly stated that these base stations will be too bulky to build into cars. There will also be a small number of financial services firms that do international currency and stock day trading for whom a few milliseconds advantage over the competition will give them a massive edge over their competition. I expect SpaceX to charge these companies through the nose and give them service priority. Any company that does not pay up will go bust because the laws of physics mean that starlink will be faster than all other solutions ... unless someone creates a satellite network in even lower earth orbit. The only threat to starlink is Bezos / blue origin. Blue origin has no shareholders so it could in theory undercut SpaceX. However I believe that Bezos isn’t planning to have his satellite network in as low an orbit, which means that he won’t be able to compete in terms of speed. In addition SpaceX already has a big lead and from past experience Bezos moves at a glacial pace in comparison to Elon / SpaceX
If looks like I may have egg on my face on this one. Latest comments from Elon suggest that he might eventually sell to individuals. While he talks about providing receivers for a “remote community” he also talked about it being possibly installed on ships as an example. That’s in effect an end user meaning that he will Need to provide the stuff required by end users.and currently provided by ISPs. Whether he will do this himself or partner with an ISP wasn’t clear, also he said that the base stations would eventually be capable of directionally tracking the satellites without moving parts and cost as little as $200 which certainly makes individual user connection an eventual possibility. However no time scale provided on that. However I still Maintain that for the foreseeable future with only 1m base stations planned worldwide individual users connection is some way off. I suspect that Elon as usual is more immersed in the technical detail and leaving all that commercial stuff up to Shotwell and that currently there’s nothing really decided yet
One thing that you don’t bring up here is that they could also replace the need for traditional mobile providers. Already “traditional” calling is disappearing and we do most of our communications via internet. If Starlink could provide reliable internet service everywhere in the world, across all your devices (and possibly for the same price regardless of where you are) that would give them huge competitive advantage and potential for disruption. On the other hand, one area where traditional providers will still win is providing internet for online gaming as I don’t see satellites providing more reliable connection than optic fibre in area where low latency and reliability are the absolute key.
And Blue Origin is building sats for the same sort of low orbit internet. To be launched soon at Kennedy Space center where they have a huge factory. More sats means about $7 for internet in the coming years.
Different technology. Nothing to do with each other. Starlink is providing backbone internet services. 5g is providing links between user devices and local base stations
Having worldwide coverage will lead to very competitive pricing once Starlink is established. This is great for everyone and I have no doubts that Elon will make better use of the money than all other providers on Earth combined. 👍
It's possible but man the future is going to be just filled with all sorts of services. Eventually I think people are just going to have their Internet at home for $100 and kind of give up on the phone.
Brazil, unlimited data and 15mbps for 15 dollars a month... Except the telecoms by law only have to provide 40% of it in average and mostly they don't, besides it's sometimes so much unstable that you can't even load a website. Annnnd the backbone structure isn't a very good one. There is a lot of "traffic jam" at some specific times that makes the internet unusable at all (around lunch time, around dinner time and up to 2 am. Which means the times when you WANT it to work well.) So, even if it becomes pricier than this, I would contract it just by the stability, if they make it stable.
No, it just can be very expensive if you want lot's of GB's for your phone. I just need 2GB and it's only $30 a month but some people will pay $100 or more for unlimited data.
Adding to the discussion about whether starlink will sell to end users ... Apparently starlink projects that (it at least did at one time project) starlink could handle 50% of long distance internet traffic and 10% of local traffic in dense urban areas. The 50% goal would only be achievable if they were planning to sell a major part of their bandwidth as a backbone service to ISPs. The implications of the 10% local traffic depends on what you mean by “local”. If it means in-state or in-country that could still mean providing. Backbone services to ISPs. If it means “last mile” internet traffic, and targeting dense urban areas might suggest that, then starlink would be an ISP to end users. However even if being an ISP is in the plan, that is bound to come further down the road because setting up the infrastructure .... probably 5g would be a huge undertaking and he would be playing catch up with established ISPs who have fibre and cell tower and infrastructure and will have been planning for 5g. Another possibility is that they will partner with telcos around the world to provide the connection to local devices. The only problem with that is that increasingly companies offer bundled services. I doubt starlink would want to go down that rabbit hole. ... Ie providing mobile phone services and original content.
But people need to realize Starlink ‘s main purpose isn’t internet to the masses. Elon mentioned it once but after I’ve never heard it be brought up again. To get started for people to land on Mars, they’ll need to communicate back and forth quickly from Mars to earth. Once the system is up and running, a smaller version will be some of the first packages that will be deployed to orbit Mars. Once that’s setup then SpaceX can get on with the actual living quarters and structures needed for humans. Having the ability to have both planets fully connected is necessary for the level of work Elon has planned. I’m totally excited for the future. This is going to be amazing.
Cable/Spectrum has competition soon. People don't understand what Musk is doing here. This is a smart network unlike the earth based systems. Imagine a quantum sat beaming major data instantaneously from space based sat to sat. Then up-linking from low earth orbit to medium and jumping to space for quantum speed (faster than light already being used by China and I assume the USA) and back. Each sat is smart and routes itself. The network self corrects and is constantly being updated. I assume AI will be used for routing. This puts SpaceX ten years ahead of the telcos.
Do you think SpaceX will go on to become a Telco? Let me know. It's certainly an interesting prospect.
Curious Elephant, I think that SpaceX will become a big player in the telco Industry. The fact that they can save the money by launching the satellites themselves makes me think that they will be able to put up a competitive price.
No, Elon will start a new company which SpaceX will provide a service to by providing satellite infrastructure. This new company will be the face of the telco. IMO
@@ReanCombrinck
While I can't be entirely certain of the exact dynamics between SpaceX and Starlink, there is NO doubt that they will be completely linked together in some fashion, specifically because it has already been stated by at least Gwen Shotwell (I believe) that Starlink is how SpaceX is going to fund its Mars aspirations, at least in large part. There has to be some legal way for money to be transferred between the two companies assuming they are even made into separate companies. I think it is much more likely that Starlink will just be a subsidiary of SpaceX, unless there is some way to legally allow huge sums of money to transfer between the two as completely separate entities.
@@Seastallion Elon has to fund Starlink via partners like Google(1 Billion already) and other investors..the way Elon works is to just keep a significant piece of the pie(10-35%) raking in billions a year.
you want a tech guy as president ? Andrew Yang Elon is in favor of UBI universal basic income better known as THE FREEDOM DIVIDEND please do some research before you decide thanks
I will immediately switch to Starlink when it will be availabe in Europe, just to support SpaceX's Mars missions.
That point of interest alone will certainly appeal to at least a limited market of people, such as yourself. Fortunately, I think that Starlink will likely be quite competitive with service and pricing, so it wouldn't be too onerous for you as a consumer outside of that consideration. As an international internet provider Starlink will have a vast market, particularly in huge swaths of the world where the internet still isn't available. Small villages in the middle of the Sahara desert or the Siberian tundra will suddenly have quality internet access when there was none before.
The big secret is SpaceX is not going to mars.
@@erichaynes7502 Do you have a source for that?
@@davidwiedenau8766 Just look at how he follows govt. contracts. Lately he's been talking about going to the moon first before going to mars. Translation: I want those U.S. govt. contracts.
@@erichaynes7502
One does not preclude the other. No one is going to Mars without sufficient funding. Elon is no fool in that regard.
One thing that needs to be underlined: that Starlink can provide services to the entire World. It's not just the USA market.
Being able to have high quality connection *anywhere* on the globe, with only a pizza-sized satellite needed, is a big deal.
And even if others will challange SpaceX, SpaceX does have the advantage of efficiency - they're their own, fully vertical-integrated manufacturer and provider of rocket launches and (now) satellite operations. First they got a leg up in production efficiency bringing down the cost of rockets, then they made reusabillity a thing, and now they are taking on the efficiency of scale.
Ooph.
Indeed. I believe that it was Gwen Shotwell that said that Starlink was going to be a major source of income for SpaceX's Mars ambitions. Having a huge, as yet untapped, market to act as a provider in will be a seriously lucrative market.
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Outside of oppressive governments trying to censor their population, why would they? More and better access to the internet is widely considered an economic advantage, not a liability.
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Assuming there happens to be native competitors. The most remote regions of the planet won't actually have any competitors. So why would those countries ban something that would benefit their country?
Seastallion if the country doesn’t have a telco then I’m quite sure it’s citizens can’t afford satellite internet... i mean 30$ this is HUGE, even in France, where I live and a country that is most of the time named as one of the worst in Europe for it’s internet price, we are not going to pay the internet more than 20$ a month...
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That might be the case for an individual household, but a public institution in remote areas such as a Library or School would be able to cover such an expense more easily while giving multiple individuals access to the internet. I agree that the extraordinarily poor (by western standards) in remote regions would have difficulty no matter what, but like anything it will start with where it _can_ be afforded, whether it is more wealthy individuals or institutions. Of course how much Starlink charges will definitely be a factor, but upon worldwide coverage ability prices may be able to be dropped considerably.
Self-driving cars, AI, Starlink
I swear allegiance to our overlord Skynet
Musknet
long live skylord!
Self-driving Tesla fleet is literally the reason Starlink is being pushed so hard.
Every single one of them will be equiped with a receiving station. High-speed internet on all the time. Comfort for the passangers, access to the cloud for the AI driver.
Bull Bull Bull
Elon Musk is GOD
If it means I don't have to use spectrum anymore... bring on the space X satellite swarm!
spectrum.... don't reminds me of that shit, been using that for as little as three monthes during my visit to United State, I have many angry memory about them.
I do suspect whether Starlink would be able to compete with landline provider though, in rural area, perhaps, but if starlink can compete with cable internet in urban area, that means cable company in America is really completely clusterfuck.
@AK47 KUSSSHH someones daddy works for Spectrum xD
AK47 KUSSSHH did you watch the video? This is explained.
Spectrum sucks dick monopoly ass company surcharging whenever possible. Us prices for internet are as expensive as third world countries despite having a well built internet infrastructure because of the monopoly the telco companies here have. They need some damn competition or else theyll just keep on throttling our speeds to suck every last penny u from americans
I've worked for CHARTER SPECTRUM - TW. CABLE back then for almost 3 years. Outsourced(Philippines 🇵🇭)
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Everyone gangsta until Elon Musk launch Starlink.
As an internet user from China. I wish Starlink could tear down the internet wall of China, Iran, North Korea. Will it be possible?
it will be very hard, even in Hong Kong.
Well theoretically the government can’t do anything about it, but it could be possible that installing the ground station will be illegal.
Unfortunately, the ground stations have to send radio signals back up to the satellites, which would be trivial for the authorities of those countries to detect, and then arrest those using the unauthorized systems. I suppose it would all depend on how much effort those governments put into finding said ground stations.
Might I suggest an uprising? Then again, maybe not. The US is no longer a shining example since we voted to be more fascist.
Michelangelo Buonarroti Tell me about those terrible fascist policies. If must be terrible, daily life must be so much different than it was 3 years ago. Wow!
Great video ..
Musk is entering all markets and giving them a run for their money
Many does not even notice that there are little competition between all of the ISPs even if there are two in the area. Prices have increased with little increase to speed. Then we still have DATA LIMITS which are absurd! I've done the calculations for Xfinity and the best value is obvious the most expensive one of them all with an add on unlimited data.
This video didn't really make it clear that StarLink will provide quicker routing than fibre backbones and submarine cables. Also the speed of light through a vacuum is much faster than the speed of light through a fibre optic cable.
True, speed of light in fiber is about 60% of the speed of light or radio waves through free space. This may be enough to compensate for the extra distance required to reach up to LEO and back from each ground station or at least counter the majority of that lag, especially with the planned direct inter-satellite laser links (the laser-link system wasn't ready in time for their first batch of 60 satellites launching May 15/16, though)
@@jordanhazen7761 The distance is going to be shorter anyway if it doesn't need to go via undersea cables. Did they really launch 60 satellites already?
@@newsgetsold 1st launch is in 2 days (5/15, late evening from FL if no delay) but they're buttoned up in the fairing already: twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1127388838362378241/photo/1
Some fiber routes are more direct than others; distances will be shorter sometimes, but it'll depend on the specific path.
newsgetsold They were scheduled to launch last night but high winds delayed it until tonight at the earliest.
Lol but it uses radio waves not light
I swear I will switch over to Starlink the minute it becomes available!!
I'm so glad, as I believe that starlink might be the best "cable" replacement. Esspecially here in the US, where current telco services suck.
Internet in the US sucks and is expensive. If Starlink gets the price down and gives better service, I am in.
As a German citizen in Hamburg (2nd biggest City in Germany) I am SO excited about a new Telco Company. Germany has one of the worst Internet-network in Europe and all I can get is 32k for 35€(!!!) a month. I will switch as soon as it is available in Germany.
Greetings from Munich, I feel you
Feel you ,considering as a Chinese user, I use VPN to see your comment .
@@cosmonautbilly9570 The telco network used to be run by the goverment before Telekom got 98% of it. Now its a monopole and they also received money from the goverment to use Vectoring - which is basically trying to get most out of old copper cables instead of building a glas fibre network.
The Imon for a country that prides itself on engineering prowess Germany’s internet must be a total national embarrassment. (Closely followed by schoenefeld airport) I’d say it is over 10 years behind the UK. Unreliable, slow, expensive and very bad coverage. I think you need to make it law that all politicians have to own a smartphone and spend at least one hour per day online!
Sadly starlink won’t help. It is not for end users but got backbone services
One true fact: Starlink needs a low latency network to control the Tesla cars navigation systems. Really, such low latencies are not needed for cable nor internet, but are required for car driving programs. At the end, This is the main business for Starlink, conecting several million Tesla cars to a monthly fee and using them as relay stations to provide internet and cable to your home.
Interesting and brilliant idea, because almost all Tesla cars owners will likelly switch and use starlink services, therefor starlink would have a captive clientell from the start.
Since Tesla is losing so much money it's also possible Elon will step down as Tesla CEO and take a reduced role and basically sell off a few billion dollars of his stock shares. It seems to me Elon's true love is SpaceX especially since he's about to take over the Internet Global market with Starlink.
@@erichaynes7502 He did buy more tesla shares last week (10 000 000 dollar worth).
Eric Haynes Tesla isn’t losing money. It’s just not making a profit. And that‘s not necessarily a bad thing at all nor is it any indication that Elon isn’t doing a good job Tesla’s de facto CEO. You see Tesla is more like a tech company than an ordinary car manufacturer. And tech companies bet on the future. They’re willing to throw everything they’ve got into R&D rather than cashing out. Just look at Amazon and Uber. No ones calling for Jeff bezos to step down likewise if would be a bad idea for Elon to step down as Tesla CEO, which is part of the reason why SEC’s attempt to force Elon to step down seemed hypocritical to many Tesla investors as it is supposed to protect investors, not harm them and their investments.
@@meatsaucez1516 Yes but Elon might be running out of people that will loan him billions each quarter. Plus ten million in stock is more of a PR campaign than anything.
@@erichaynes7502 Totally agree, even more, if you read Musk's Master Plan, he always placed Tesla as a means to get money to finance his dream...travelling to Mars, so actually, his main endeavour is Spacex.
August 29th: Starlink goes self aware.
Starlink... Skynet... Hmm.. Star -> Sky, Link -> Net ...... 🤔🤔😱
At 2:14 AM, no less.
Nobody:
SpaceX: puts 60 satellites on one launch. 🚀
Stop
@@AayushKrishnan But SpaceX has put satellites larger than the ones that ISRO launched. The ISRO launch of 104 satellites were mainly cubesats.
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Were they an interconnected constellation of satellites?
I'd rather trust Elon Musk Rather than AT&T
Perhaps, doesn't mean we should continue to use AT&T though.
@@Verpal That's true. It really doesn't matter which telco you use, they're all screwing you.
@ My current directive is simply pick the lesser devil, and focus on value proposition alone unless SpaceX can display more integrity as a telco. SpaceX would have above normal profit margin and monopoly power to pull this off if Starlink is successful, however, I don't expect them to not play ball with US government when SpaceX still need NASA.
@@Verpal I hear you. I'm just saying that StarLink will certainly have the same characteristics that the existing telco's have from an ethics perspective, while having far more reach and power. Bare the following in mind:
1. When you plan to launch 7500 satellites into LEO and VLEO those satellites are NEVER single purpose. They are ALWAYS multi-purpose. StarLink is poised to become the most powerful surveillance tool the world has ever seen - not only in terms of interception ELINT\SIGINT but in terms of visualization as well, with the capability of high fidelity subject tracking anywhere and everywhere in the habitable world.
2. StarLink will enable high bandwidth data access anywhere and everywhere throughout the habitable world. As such, it will be uniquely positioned to play a pivotal role in the global economy. Namely, enabling a global currency/banking system. The systems that are being deployed now by the worlds banks which control your ability to buy/sell and be compensated for your labor - cashless society - require high speed data for all those transactions around the world. StarLink will be the supporting infrastructure which enables that. Whether or not you're religious and view that as biblical prophesy fulfilled, you should be concerned that such ubiquitous resources are controlled by one single company.
3. StarLink will become the "backbone in the sky" as it's described in this video. It's low latency links (some rumored to be optical links for redundant mesh) will provide a less expensive alternative to subterranean or subsea fiber. Which means StarLink will be leasing bandwidth to the terrestrial ISPs. Ultimately, StarLink will be in control of your pricing as an end user. The "competition" really won't exist.
So you see, what StarLink gives us will be nothing compared to what it takes away from us.
What it gives: high speed internet accessible worldwide. (fast, HD porn everywhere)
What it takes away: Privacy, sovereignty, control, choice.
can't wait to get rid or that ripoff Comcast
Sadly it is more
Likely that Comcast will buy services from starlink. Starlink won’t sell to end users. Apart from maybe a handful of financial institutions
Why would you sell it to a third party company instead of selling it directly to the consumer? Which way makes more profit? Without internet connection, all the big teleco companies’ contents are useless, not mentioning the torrents sites, sharing videos, live streaming etc.
@@andrewpaulhart They mentioned in an FCC filing the expectation of serving 1 million earth stations, though I can't recall if any timeframe was given. Also, providing service to many end users at, say 50Mb/s can be less demanding than a few heavy backbone users at 10Gb/s, because the former makes it easier to spread the load around across a constellation. Statistical multiplexing gets difficult with just a few users operating a very high bitrates. Besides, Comcast already has their own fiber backbone.
Tất Tinh Sáng the backbone providers make plenary of money and they do not need to have all the hassle of dealing with millions of customers. They can also have a few very lucrative direct customers such as financial institutions who do international currency and stock trading where milliseconds less latency would give them a huge advantage over their competition. That business is way more lucrative than selling directly to users. Why is elon providing backbone services and not end user services? Well presumably he has done the maths and he knows he can make more money this way. And make no mistake Elon himself has explicitly said that they are only providing backbone services.
Jordan Hazen well tell it to Elon. He has stated several times that starlink will ONLY be providing backbone services. I presume he’s done the maths to figure out where he can make his money
Capitalism at its best
You forgot about catgirls
@@goldilock4199 forgot about a.i robot waifus, making women obsolete. Then youll have a society where neither gender interacts beyond their robot companion. And the kicker is, the robots are going to secretly meet and exchange their semen/eggs to conceive. So if you have a female sex bot shes gonna meet some random male bot and take eggs the male bot stole from some random woman hes banging. And it gets even darker after that. Just one of the 14 million futures we might have. At least one of these will happen regardless, a.i robot waifus and husbandos lmao.
Chunks ... the Only thing that will Stop EM is Governments!!!
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for doing them! :)
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One more market for starlink are marine vessels. A reliable 1.6mb connection costs $44,000 per month.
Elon made his initial fortune in the internet, now, he will be the internet lol
he wont ;p
@@ShadowriverUB he will if majority of user content goes through his sats.
Accurate af
Love your videos man. Keep doing what you are doing. Great job 👍🏻
If we can get below the freaking $70 a month Comcast is charging me I'm onboard. No TV mind. Just internet....
I can't wait. I live in a rural area, and the ISP options suck. I currently pay for two, so we have a backup when one is out. If Starlink can offer both good reliability and speed, then I would happily pay double.
It will probably cost at least double but I do think you're the best customer. Nothing is going to be cheap in the future they all are fighting to get our money. Expect to pay about $150 a month in today's money.
Sadly they aren’t selling service to end users. They are providing backbone internet service. I guess you could conceivable get SpaceX to sell you a base station but it wouldn’t be cheap. And that still wouldn’t give you all the infrastructure you needed to connect to the internet unless you were a network expert . you’d need to know about DNS servers, provide your own email server, DHCP server. And register your own network subnet. Not gonna happen!
@@andrewpaulhart Perhaps it will lead to an improvement in the local services.
Scorpio it will improve your service because your ISP will find it cheaper to have starlink install a base station and use their services rather than pay for fibre optic cable to be laid
*I was waiting for this video, thank you* :D
I think SpaceX is aiming for the worldwide internet and tv market at the consumer level, that is, bypass all the local mobile phone companies, ISP and TV content providers. Perhaps, one day you just need to buy a data card at local 7-11 and will be able to access the Starlink connection. The huge amount of income generates from this services will be use for Mars exploitation.
You need much lower orbiting Sats to connect to mobile phones.
ottawa starlink is a backbone service not an end user one. Base stations are bulky and expensive
Eric Haynes and you need a mobile phone the size of a large pizza box. Elon has already said that they will be too bulky to put in Tesla’s
One that can be said is that the launch of the sixty satellites, might be in the running for the cheapest ride to LEO ever. It’s the booster’s third flight and the Payload fairing’s second flight. Add in that these are built basically in-house. So they didn’t have to pay the profit of another company, and they used a new 2nd stage and one new MVac. Divide that cost by sixty and it musk (pun) be a very low cost ride to LEO per satellite. How could other companies compete with that?
If I can use an ISP that would give Frontier Communications a good kicking in the nuts, I would switch immedietely.
SpaceX smartphones anyone ?
Starlink isn't designed with direct mobile service to phones in mind. There are design tradeoffs that would reduce overall system capacity if they tried for that. Fixed outdoor antennas about the size of pizza boxes were mentioned. Some local cell towers could conceivably use this for backhaul, though. That's already done with GEO satellites (at much poorer service quality) in certain areas.
No. I want The Boring Smartphone: Which is not a smartphone.
Will definitely be switching to star link
Imagine having the whole world as a market instead of just small regions, the econmic scale is huge
yes i think it would generate 30 billion us dollar per year. I found this info aomewhere in this channel.
I’m sure it hasn’t escaped SpaceXs notice that there is one group of business users that will and do pay an absolute fortune for millisecond advantages over their competition .... currency and stock traders. Even one millisecond consistent advantage will allow a company to wipe the floor with competitors in international trading. I’d even bed that such companies are already talking to SpaceX about it. They would
Be mad/incompetent not to. The laws of physics mean that starlink already has this market completely sewn up with no planned competitors being able to rival them
Direct microwave links, like the old AT&T Long Lines towers have recently been turned up along certain routes (NY to Chicago, I think is one) to service this niche market. These terrestrial RF spans should beat any LEO constellation for latency, but Starlink could be the lowest-latency path available for routes not already covered by such.
Jordan Hazen good luck getting a microwave link to work across the Atlantic and Pacific oceans!
@@andrewpaulhart Yes, intercontinental routes will be where this really shines. Also, the longer the total path length, the less relative penalty you have from the dogleg hops up to LEO and back down at either end.
Jordan Hazen agreed. Although because light travels 40% slower through fibre optic cable the distances needed to make the dogleg worth it might be shorter than you think
Well it better be faster and better than M1 and comes with free vpn. As well as finally providing full coverage within my flat.
Edit. HA HA that stock footage satellite I see used again.
Nicely researched video! Looking forward to your take on the 60 satellite Starlink "flatpack" set for launch on Wed. Just how are those released into different orbits?
Most likely all will end up in the same plane, but spread evenly around the planet within that orbit. This is how past Iridium launches (10 sats on a dispenser) were done. It takes very little delta-V for the satellites to adjust their spacing within the orbital plane, whereas plane-changes take much more. They do all have electric (ion) propulsion, though so modest plane changes after launch may be possible, though very slow.
@@jordanhazen7761 Thanks. Get the same plane/orbit but Iridium had a spring loaded dispenser. Each satellite was released at a precise time. Don't understand how these will be release? All at once? Some form of timed sequence? If timed, how? Hopefully the launch video will show the precise sequence. I'll be watching.
@@rogeredrinn4592 I think orbital differences imparted by springs & deployment time delays (+100 sec each?) were minimal, just enough to avoid recontact with F9 S2 or one another, especially if one failed to power up and went derelict... iirc the deployment orbit was slightly lower than final service orbit, and spacing/positioning was controlled mainly by each satellite spending a different amount of time in that lower (hence faster) orbit before boosting itself up.
It'll be interesting to see how this works on the Starlink flight, esp. since Elon tweeted "no dispenser"-- are they just stacked atop one another directly? I'd think that would make it hard to survive launch loads, so maybe there's some internal bracing structure they're all clamped to. Hope we have good video coverage of at least some separations, if they don't consider that too proprietary - the 60 sats/launch number was kept close to their vest for several days.
The plan is to do a slow roll as the satellites would be released then the ion propulsion will boost them into a higher orbit is what I had read or heard somewhere
Thankyou from Australia
I have family that live in an area where the only internet options are overpriced Comcast cable, poorly maintained and supported Verizon DSL, and congested LTE towers. As soon as decently priced LEO Satellite Internet, or maybe 5G, is available they'll happily jump ship.
@AK47 KUSSSHH myth
Wasn’t there a New Zeland startup called “Rocket Labs” that’s used to launch budget low orbit satellites that focused on launching such satellites? SpaceX is pulling an ace by creating their own network though. Ingenious.
Rocket lab is aiming for small satellite market. Mainly cubesets
They can't launch 60 of them at the same time xD
SpaceX is the best. Can't wait to one day turn on my WiFi and see Starlink by SpaceX.
In Latvia ve have unlimited GB for 15€
That’s is great .... but then again you have to live in Latvia!
Only joking. I’ve only visited Latvia once a long time ago.
Mikrotik !!!!
Yeah, but we have a corrupt conman and pathological liar that is in a league of his own as our head of state.
Michelangelo Buonarroti but for us foreigners we can get such pleasure looking down on Americans because they believe in trump .. so always a silver lining
D Murrman you Americans are so hilarious !
I live in rural areas and i
Really really really hope this comes true
I'm confused, are there certain streaming services that are exclusive to certain ISPs?
I don't think so, not yet. But there are streaming services run by ISPs where it costs slightly more to stream it on a different ISP than their own.
love your content ❤️
Part of a larger plan to have all automomous cars connected and sharing traffic and driving data with each other then the next step with neuralink using starlink to connect all minds to each other. Kinda like the Borg. If you can't beat A.I. then merge with it.
I think the base station would be a little bulky to carry around let alone fit into your head. Elon has already stated it is to bulky to fit into cars ... about the size of a pizza box
You forgot traveling to other planets
Does this mean we’ll have internet in the middle of the ocean?
In a word - YES.
As long you own the receiver
North and south poles?
@@johntheux9238 No, not the poles but they already do get some internet at least.
@@erichaynes7502 I think there will be poles coverage but with less satellites.
Yep I pay 10 dollars for 30 GB data before that 10 dollars for 2 GB data
I pay 5$ for 28GB
I'm surprised you didn't mention OneWeb which I believe is going to be Starlink's largest competitor.
OneWeb is possible competitor but they will have tough time. They basically just develop the constelation and software solution, while they outsorcing satellite production and delivery to orbit to other companies. Spacex doing everything in house, therefore they need much smaller margin to be profitable.
Probably because amazon is going to be their biggest threat
In India, competition brought down the cost of a gigabyte from 3.5 dollars to less than 15 cents. So, yeah, competition is delight.
SpaceX is much more directly competing with Iridium's Certus network than with the geosynchronous providers. In the first couple years before the constellation is big enough for retail service they will be targeting the same maritime and aviation markets that are currently serviced by Iridium. In fact, the only market that iridium is not at risk of loosing due to SpaceX's vertical integration allowing them to severely undercut it, is the polar market since the planned StarLink constellation is not a fully global network.
So if i'm on a mountain is the signal from satelite still reach me ?
Yeah. But according to them you wouldn't be able to connect with something like your phone, would still need an antenna about the size of a pizza box.
So we still need infrastructure from the ground to utilize optimally ?
@@Spark_Plug17 atleast in the beginning. Technology evolves quick
Okay so this is definitely for Mars, I mean when people start living on Mars all them martians got to stay connected some how. Starlink is like the boreing company, all their technology is being developed to be used on Mars.
It would certainly be a benefit for SpaceX financially, and frankly anything that can shake up the other industries over in the States technologically and customer satisfaction wise is a great thing. Things over there have been far to stagnant over there for too long. Both for the people and for innovations in the right direction. And this isn’t just for the US...this’ll benefit all of us in the rest of the world.
Canada sure needs some of that competition. The scope of SpaceX's master plan is utterly mind boggling!
I wonder if this would be reliable enough for gaming.
Considering international connections in particular, players on opposite sides of the world could use the same telco and conceivably have less than 200ms ping.
They're hoping it will be. That was one of their first tests.
With 10ms latency it surely possible
If it isnt they will be going out of business very quickly
I guess stadia will become a reality. Can't wait
Great overview of the industry, and the differences between the traditional providers and the SpaceX network.
Anyone else see the irony of Spacex putting telco's out of business because they provided it the business it needed to survive in the first place?
No doubt this would be great for Telco industry but one of my concerns is regarding satellite collisions. More satellite means more chances of kessler syndrome. Are they planning to address this. Because if such a cascade ever happens it would essentially make low earth orbit full of debris and impassable.
The very low orbits will help with that, ensuring any derelict or malfunctioning satellites quickly re-enter. A Starlink FCC filing was recently amended to ask for lower operational altitudes than originally planned.
The Starlink satellites are designed to have a decaying orbit so that they burn up in the Earth's atmosphere automatically after X number of years. They will not stay in orbit indefinitely.
I hope it works out, they have a lot to learn
They already develop and operate one of the most complex satellites on Earth, the dragon spacecraft. They have experience with that. The challenge will be mass manufacturing the satellites and ground station but something tells me Elon learnt a good lesson last year.
Let's just hope the latency isn't in Elon-time. If it is indeed as good as it is proposed, it would very nice though.
Should be about the same latency as fiber from a server hub 200 miles away, just more consistent.
I’m sure we’re all just grateful the latency won’t be in Jamo-time.!
What empires have you built:-)
Elon Musk has a lot of cards to play. He and Jeff Besos know the power of space, and it is not tourism or Mars missions. How do you win in war? You take the high ground. How do you win in business?
Once you control the transmission of data (Amazon server warehouses, SpaceX Satellites, Facebook, Google etc.) - you can monitor, analyse & exploit data habbits with meta data analysis tools such as neural networks or AI systems.
I believe these companies' stakeholders will force them to socially engineer more consumers (as if they haven't already) - competing for attention of the consumers.
Read the book 'Feed' for a bleak understanding of the future with bio tech in combination with monopolized companies controlling what we see and when.
Starlink, really good name
This makes as much sense as the Hyperloop. Satellites are always going to be far more expensive than Terrestrial systems and there is already a Satellite phone system Iridium.
Put simply there Is not sufficient capacity, and the power required for the Mobile phone is significantly more, this means the phones will be much bigger or have much shorter lives.
Another point that is not being considered is that to connect to someone on another network the operator has to pay an Inter-Connection charge, Satellite’s are “international” so this charge would be high, probably higher that making a normal call.
This is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Roaming abroad is available everywhere and if this is to expensive then what we do is simply buy a local SIM. like the rest of us.
Starlink is not meant to serve phones, but fixed ground stations (See their FCC filings - "FSS" means Fixed Satellite Service). Think small, flat antennas attached to the sides or roofs of buildings. This enables much better SNR, hence higher-order modulations and more Mbps/MHz than if serving small mobile stations directly. Some cell towers could conceivably use this network for backhaul, though, as is already done via GEO birds in isolated regions.
A problem that does not exist ? almost half the world do not have reliable internet acces. Stop thinking just for yourself ! Geez
I would love to this in Uruguay, we have fiber optic networks, but they are state run, they can jack up the prices when ever they see fit.
Because they are a monopoly without any competition.
I would change without thinking, they will probably make it illegal to use starlink service and fine people who install the antenna or even the home owner.
It happened with TV antennas that were banned because of the government.
The whole world becomes reliant on satellite internet then comes the solar flare.
True. Even if starlink is a viable alternative. It won't beat buried coax or fiber for reliability.
This will be a great way to keep your Tesla connected at all times at zero cost to Tesla.
The satalites don't connect directly with cars. They have to communicate with the 1million earth basestations that they got approval for
re: 1:08 "SpaceX will no longer be a launch provider for satellites" - they certainly will continue launching for others as well, and should have sufficient production & launch capacity to add Starlink flights to existing manifests. Some of the other networks they've launched for, such as Orbcomm and Iridium focus more on lower-speed data services to mobile stations, rather than high speeds to fixed sites, and so aren't really in direct competition. There's also been a recent downturn in demand for traditional geosynchronous launches (Gwynne Shotwell has spoken of this), and Starlink should help fill in that gap.
Have you seen anything specific about the business model for Starlink? Since they have investors, I would think there should be something.
I keep hearing "low cost"; but, a "low cost" T1 line is a lot more than a high cost cable internet bill.
Who and when will their initial customers be?
Are they initially targeting users that are willing to pay high prices for low latency or are they going to go straight for mass market?
How many satellites do they need to provide a viable test market? Is the initial launch sufficient? All the launches this year?
So many questions?
I'm sure you can research and find some of the answers but they are smart and keep their cards close to their chest.
Most of what we know is just what they had to file with FCC about technical specifications.
But it seems they will also be competing with all of the wholesale backhaul submarine cable operators by providing more direct and faster routing through space.
Also the speed of light through a vacuum is much faster than the speed of light through fibre optic cable.
Scott Manley explained it well in his video today. ua-cam.com/video/e4nXU1xF_Tg/v-deo.html
@@newsgetsold Yes, saw SM's analysis, he always does a great job on the technical side. Lei, on the other side has better insight into the business side. There definitely is a business approach to targeting high-end performance markets; but, there ability to do that depends a lot on the User Terminal / Earth Station can do. A business user is going to expect a lot more than a home user. It may be that since they are ultimately targeting more of a mass market than a specialty market, they might choose instead to launch initially into the home market where they won't get as much money; but, where they also are aiming at a market that has lower expectations. There are pluses and minuses to both approaches.
The biggest misconception about starlink is that it will provide data/internet services to end users. It is a backbone service that your phone and internet service providers will buy into to improve their service. A clue is in Elon’s stated goal to install 1m base stations to communicate with the satellites. The fact that it needs base stations (unlike satellite phones). And that there will only be a million of them preclude user devices using starlink directly. Elon has in fact explicitly stated that these base stations will be too bulky to build into cars. There will also be a small number of financial services firms that do international currency and stock day trading for whom a few milliseconds advantage over the competition will give them a massive edge over their competition. I expect SpaceX to charge these companies through the nose and give them service priority. Any company that does not pay up will go bust because the laws of physics mean that starlink will be faster than all other solutions ... unless someone creates a satellite network in even lower earth orbit. The only threat to starlink is Bezos / blue origin. Blue origin has no shareholders so it could in theory undercut SpaceX. However I believe that Bezos isn’t planning to have his satellite network in as low an orbit, which means that he won’t be able to compete in terms of speed. In addition SpaceX already has a big lead and from past experience Bezos moves at a glacial pace in comparison to Elon / SpaceX
@@andrewpaulhart I see the logic in what you are saying; but, I have never seen anything that lays out Starlink that way. Also, I don't see Cable providers working with Starlink to reduce the price of Internet or extend it to reach under-served areas (which is what Elon has indicated it a goal of Starlink).
I do understand the terminals will not likely to be able to be mobile; but, they will likely be able to be smaller than the antennas currently used for DirectTV, etc (because of the lower orbit). I also expect they will may need to be steerable (Ex: Phased Array) to be able to stay locked with the lower/faster orbits.
One terminology that I think is further muddying the water is "Base Stations" vs. "Earth Stations" vs. "User Terminals". I know that SpaceX has an FCC application for six "Base Stations" and also that SpaceX has Job postings out there to develop a "User Terminal". I think these are likely not the same thing. SpaceX will need some stations to manage the satellites and hook them into the ground-based servers. I assume that is part/all what the "Base Stations" will be for. Regarding the "User Terminals", the job application I saw said "We are looking for a talented electrical engineer to architect, define, and design the electronics for the consumer-facing user terminal (a high volume manufactured product customers will have in their homes)". This certainly sounds like SpaceX intends to sell directly to consumers (like the do with Tesla).
I agree with you on Bezos; but, I wouldn't underestimate him on this. One less known fact about Amazon is how much the Internet depends on it. Last I heard, 47% of cloud hosting is Amazon (AWS) compared to Google at 8% and Microsoft at 22%. Bezos may be taking his time to conquer space; but, he has clearly conquered the clouds.
In India Jio provides almost 190 Gb 4G from the recharge of $3-4 it gives 2gb Data Per day for 90 days.
India is clearly a potential market for Spacex
Can't these satellites be used to completely replace today's GSM's network and be able to give full Telco services to our phones? No roaming charges, no data limitations, available anywhere on the planet?
No, they're not designed for that.
If they make the receiver small enough there could be cellphones that do this but over voip
you content is soo clean man!
So ir telling me im gonna go from a 800 ms delay to 10ms
I hope the hardware is self-installable. I don't want to have to set up an appointment to have a StarLink tech drive out to the middle of nowhere to install the dish.
Vertical integration.
the fact of great cheap satellite communications will breed the next hbo and netflix (if they decide to stay with the traditional providers) ...and then content makers will shift over to "elon" (that's the name of the new network i envision.
At 5:41 "Phase 1 - 4400 satellites by 2024". New update from SpaceX "1500 satellites in 2020" - Faster than expected :)
how much to co-locate up there ? :]
In India: 75 GB of 4G data for 7 USD per month thanks to competition.
Thats literally insane
I didn't do much research but according to this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country the minimum anual wage is also $767 nominal or $2,498
PPP. In US according to same source the minimum wage is $15,080,nominal and PPP. Lets consider an average of $60/month for mobile service for a single line ( I do work for one of these companies ). So in US you would pay about 8-9 times more than in India for about the same services and you are paid 6 times more. In conclusion there is indeed a difference but not that big. I think that if you compare the cost of any service in different countries and also consider the wage you can get there the % you spend from the potential money you can also make there as an average person is not that different.
We need this in the Philippines.
The biggest misconception about starlink is that it will provide data/internet services to end users. It is a backbone service that your phone and internet service providers will buy into to improve their service. A clue is in Elon’s stated goal to install 1m base stations to communicate with the satellites. The fact that it needs base stations (unlike satellite phones). And that there will only be a million of them preclude user devices using starlink directly. Elon has in fact explicitly stated that these base stations will be too bulky to build into cars. There will also be a small number of financial services firms that do international currency and stock day trading for whom a few milliseconds advantage over the competition will give them a massive edge over their competition. I expect SpaceX to charge these companies through the nose and give them service priority. Any company that does not pay up will go bust because the laws of physics mean that starlink will be faster than all other solutions ... unless someone creates a satellite network in even lower earth orbit. The only threat to starlink is Bezos / blue origin. Blue origin has no shareholders so it could in theory undercut SpaceX. However I believe that Bezos isn’t planning to have his satellite network in as low an orbit, which means that he won’t be able to compete in terms of speed. In addition SpaceX already has a big lead and from past experience Bezos moves at a glacial pace in comparison to Elon / SpaceX
If looks like I may have egg on my face on this one. Latest comments from Elon suggest that he might eventually sell to individuals. While he talks about providing receivers for a “remote community” he also talked about it being possibly installed on ships as an example. That’s in effect an end user meaning that he will
Need to provide the stuff required by end users.and currently provided by ISPs. Whether he will do this himself or partner with an ISP wasn’t clear, also he said that the base stations would eventually be capable of directionally tracking the satellites without moving parts and cost as little as $200 which certainly makes individual user connection an eventual possibility. However no time scale provided on that. However I still
Maintain that for the foreseeable future with only 1m base stations planned worldwide individual users connection is some way off. I suspect that Elon as usual is more immersed in the technical detail and leaving all that commercial stuff up to Shotwell and that currently there’s nothing really decided yet
Thank you Sir, you do great work
Do the orbits at 342m decay faster than the ones higher up? If so, how are the orbits maintained and how long will they remain stable?
They decay faster. The satellites should be stable for about 5 years.
@@CosmicReef Elon has a rocket company he'll figure out something that automatically reset them
No access to time warner cable shows? Where there is internet, there can be access...
is china panning to do a similar thing with beidou?
It's very understandable but How come ,all these satalites can be protected against other satalites, rockets ,rocks and asteroides?
One thing that you don’t bring up here is that they could also replace the need for traditional mobile providers. Already “traditional” calling is disappearing and we do most of our communications via internet. If Starlink could provide reliable internet service everywhere in the world, across all your devices (and possibly for the same price regardless of where you are) that would give them huge competitive advantage and potential for disruption.
On the other hand, one area where traditional providers will still win is providing internet for online gaming as I don’t see satellites providing more reliable connection than optic fibre in area where low latency and reliability are the absolute key.
And Blue Origin is building sats for the same sort of low orbit internet. To be launched soon at Kennedy Space center where they have a huge factory. More sats means about $7 for internet in the coming years.
Hi Lei, can you discuss the impact on 5G to the starlink?
Different technology. Nothing to do with each other. Starlink is providing backbone internet services. 5g is providing links between user devices and local base stations
Having worldwide coverage will lead to very competitive pricing once Starlink is established. This is great for everyone and I have no doubts that Elon will make better use of the money than all other providers on Earth combined. 👍
Do you think they'll eventually start a phone service with ground stations acting as cell towers to start a phone service of their own as well?
It's possible but man the future is going to be just filled with all sorts of services. Eventually I think people are just going to have their Internet at home for $100 and kind of give up on the phone.
Do you have access to footage from Block 5 Falcon 9’s? Just a suggestion to keep the content a bit more current.
India, 4 mbps connecting unlimited data for 4 dollars a month.
Or daily 2gb data in 4g speed 30 mbps for 2.2 dollars per month.
Brazil, unlimited data and 15mbps for 15 dollars a month... Except the telecoms by law only have to provide 40% of it in average and mostly they don't, besides it's sometimes so much unstable that you can't even load a website. Annnnd the backbone structure isn't a very good one. There is a lot of "traffic jam" at some specific times that makes the internet unusable at all (around lunch time, around dinner time and up to 2 am. Which means the times when you WANT it to work well.) So, even if it becomes pricier than this, I would contract it just by the stability, if they make it stable.
Think past your USA bias. This is an instant global internet service provider, it has to be by default, due to low earth orbit.
15 Gb for $30 ? Jesus Christ.
I have unlimited for 16€ in France.
Do you have capped internet in the US? :D
No, it just can be very expensive if you want lot's of GB's for your phone. I just need 2GB and it's only $30 a month but some people will pay $100 or more for unlimited data.
Adding to the discussion about whether starlink will sell to end users ... Apparently starlink projects that (it at least did at one time project) starlink could handle 50% of long distance internet traffic and 10% of local traffic in dense urban areas. The 50% goal would only be achievable if they were planning to sell a major part of their bandwidth as a backbone service to ISPs. The implications of the 10% local traffic depends on what you mean by “local”. If it means in-state or in-country that could still mean providing. Backbone services to ISPs. If it means “last mile” internet traffic, and targeting dense urban areas might suggest that, then starlink would be an ISP to end users. However even if being an ISP is in the plan, that is bound to come further down the road because setting up the infrastructure .... probably 5g would be a huge undertaking and he would be playing catch up with established ISPs who have fibre and cell tower and infrastructure and will have been planning for 5g. Another possibility is that they will partner with telcos around the world to provide the connection to local devices. The only problem with that is that increasingly companies offer bundled services. I doubt starlink would want to go down that rabbit hole. ... Ie providing mobile phone services and original content.
StarLink's services would be very appreciated here in Italy. Too many rural areas are being underserved with slow and expensive internet connections.
But people need to realize Starlink ‘s main purpose isn’t internet to the masses. Elon mentioned it once but after I’ve never heard it be brought up again. To get started for people to land on Mars, they’ll need to communicate back and forth quickly from Mars to earth. Once the system is up and running, a smaller version will be some of the first packages that will be deployed to orbit Mars. Once that’s setup then SpaceX can get on with the actual living quarters and structures needed for humans. Having the ability to have both planets fully connected is necessary for the level of work Elon has planned. I’m totally excited for the future. This is going to be amazing.
Cable/Spectrum has competition soon. People don't understand what Musk is doing here. This is a smart network unlike the earth based systems. Imagine a quantum sat beaming major data instantaneously from space based sat to sat. Then up-linking from low earth orbit to medium and jumping to space for quantum speed (faster than light already being used by China and I assume the USA) and back. Each sat is smart and routes itself. The network self corrects and is constantly being updated. I assume AI will be used for routing. This puts SpaceX ten years ahead of the telcos.
Same thing will internet/phone providers in France. Competitor offered lte with 100Go/Month for 19.99€ when 5go for 35€ was still something.