Louie you are the best! I was doing the same lifts all the time and was making a lot of progress but i started working with the conjugate system went from a 205 bench, a 275 squat, and a 305 deadlift to (in just a month and a half or so) a 245 bench, 355 squat, and now 335 deadlift. Keep in mind I'm a little guy at 5'6 and 165 lbs and I've never experienced progress like this until now. THANK YOU LOUIE!!!!!!!!!
We ar currently working with the conjugate system at the Grid Iron Gym here in the Republic of Nauru, lifters going for WR in the 120 junior class at the Commonwealth power lift in New zealand at the end of the Year, this is real stuff and no cock n bull, see you there "gud on you Lou"
This system isn't complicated. It's just basic physics combined with monitoring bar speed. Different speeds build different strength qualities i.e. absolute strength or speed strength etc. The intelligence from Louie is in learning that one MUST get faster to get stronger. Period. Force=MassxAcceleration. And taking it even further to know exactly how to build the exact type of speed needed for different objectives. He also came up with a one week system that allows one to know exactly how strong and how fast one is every week and at the same time monitor recovery and overtraining. That's incredibly impressive. And it works regardless if one is juicing or not. In a nutshell it's more like power building. Or even strength training combined with physical therapy style training to perfect posture and muscle balance. It can be applied to any exercises. Max out on DB dead lifts instead of BB DL. Then on speed day do some be jumps with a weight vest. It's not really the exercise that matters. It's the physics.
The exercises do matter. The technique, etc is not easy to learn if you want to do it right. Training with improper form can wipe out everything. Yes the physics part matters but I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s the only thing that does matter. Don’t agree with that at all when I’ve trained powerlifting at a serious gym in the Northeast region in the US.
The gradual trend in westside over time is progressive overload; every program does this in some form. It's just that in Westside, the ME lifts (especially) are rotated to avoid stagnation. If you think of it in terms of a given muscle group, it makes more sense how things are working. Say you do front squats for a ME for three weeks. You squat, set records, and then switch the exercise to something else, e.g. good mornings. The activation of the quads diminishes but increases elsewhere.
Wow, 12 years he spent "breaking [his] back" before he started figuring things out. And now, I can go to his website, spend 50 bucks and buy his book and learn 20+/30 years of his experience based knowledge. .. Wow.... Imagine if people like him refused to share what they know, and the people who knew these things were a secret society, and all of us had to spend 20 years trying to figure it all out on our owns....
-I've been lift and doing martial arts for over 25+ years and I might seem like an idiot when I say this coz' it's probably obvious to most but I feel like this guy's method is totally revolutionary. I just took a month off, my jointheads feel great, and I'm going to hit it hard for twelve weeks starting tomorrow using this method and see what happens. I wanna put 75lbs. on my deadlift.
Very informative man of powerlifting and always great to learn from him, one analogy he used in regards to accomodation 'whatever your name is, once you learn to spell it you can only spell it wrong' i know what he meant but strange choice of words lol
You comment is spot on. I just picked up his book but it is so unorganized as compared to Tudor Bompa's book on periodization and how to build a system/ workout plan. Do you have any resources on how to better understand Louie's conjugate method? Thanks
Wow. Listening to Louie is like listening to a 5 year old on a triple expresso. He has a hard time staying with ethnic he starts on in a sentence. I understand some of his points but its very hard to follow.
+epzy I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, I've followed one of his programs. This is however the first time I've heard/watched him speak and he was very difficult to follow and seemed to have a hard time completing his thoughts on one topic before he moved on to the next. Maybe it's just his passion coming through for the topic or it was just this particular video. It's also a pet peeve of mine when people communicate like that so I'm overly aware of it. Nice educated response though.
@TheNils333333 It's been 3 months since your question, so I hope you found the answer by now. Anyway, if you google "westside barbell basic template" you'll get it. On max. squat days you can squat or deadlift - not both. On "rest" days you can do some GPP work and therapy, but besides that, there's no need to do isolation (bodybuilding) work.
I don't understand the percentages when u use bands? Are bands what he means by gear? Like 75-85% if u don't use bands and 50-60 when u do and u add the resistance of the bands to give u 75-85%?
I read an article in Sports illustrated in the late 80s about Abijaev's unorthodox training methodology. They trained 5 to 7 times a day, 6 days a week. He believed in using 6 exercises, no more.
So i read the article on the WB-Site.. Ok... I am german so forgive me ;-) First question ist for me: There are this days: Mo=ME ; TH:? ; WED: ME ; FR: DE squat; Sa:?: SO: DE What about these days wher i wrote a "?" rest days? And what about cardio? I ask for because i have to do cardio training cause of my bloodpressure and pulserate. Second Q: I have a sledge should i do this training on cardio days? And what about the other assistent exercises? Like chin ups etc? When should i do this?
did you even watch the video? the conjugate system, involving the constant rotation of exercises e.g bench with bands, bench with bands + chains, bench with kettlebells on bands. the always changing variation of the three lifts means you never burn out and reduces the risk for injury. he even states you can apply this to olympic lifting and all other kinds of lifting, and if you've ever done it, you know it works.
@ak632621 I'm guessing that's why I don't quite get it. He makes sense but at the same time he doesn't make sense so I'm having a hard time grasping everything. How have you been doing it? Just speed doubles and triples working up to competition?
Very short sprints where you never reach full acceleration. So you are constantly training your ability to accelate. That would be a good place to start.
Seems to me he doesn't define the conjugate system the way Verhoshansky does. Conjugate, if I am correct, referes to developing two things (absolute strength and strength speed, for example) simultaneuosly (either parallel or serial). So conjugate refers to Louie's system of using both dynamic effort on Sunday (for bench) and max effort on Wednesday. Verkoshansky referred to westside as "complex parallel." Yet Louis discussed the conjugate method only in terms of alternating max effort.
I have Louie's books and DVD's { back in the day } You need to concentrate to take the theories in. It's not intended to be a simple blue print as there are many facets and different strengths stimulated using different methods. Nothing that achieves huge results is ever simple.
So i noticed there are 2 Max Effort days Mondays and Wednesdays is this to hard for a serious hobby athlet? Because i have to learn a lot iam student make my bachlor etc... And squat and deadlift at the same day? Also on the ME day on Monday? I do not understand when i should benchpress ME and the squat and the deadlift. Hope you can help me Thanks!
@TheNils333333 its not a great idea to do two lifts for max effort on the same day, its more or less one max effort lift, not exceeding 4 reps. then supplementary and auxiliary work. if its true max effort, it will be hard to get four reps. very taxing.
@ak632621 look at joe defrancos super strength dvd, although a bastardized version of Westside he still goes into great detail explaining max effort, dynamic, rep ect... and even shows good mobility drills and exercises to use for each day.
depends on what you want and your training experience. If you are a powerlifter or just want to get stronger. 531 is very easy to manage and very simple. No tricks or fancy equipment needed. westside is more fun but it can get confusing for somepeople, its also harder on your body. pick one and give it a shot.
He's referring to strength being relative to time. One person weighing 220lb may bench press 315lb's in 1 second. Another person weighing 220lb may take 6 seconds of straining to lock out 315lb. Whoever lifts the weight the fastest is the strongest. Hope this helps.
The '90%+' rule is easily verifiable; suggest you attempt to lift weights at 90%+ for over three weeks and see the sort of progress your lifts make. My guess is that your experiences will mesh with Simmons'.
accommodation is not being able to spell it better but spelling it more efficiently. I can sum up my training principles in a few words. Graduate Training Mechanics. It applies to mental and physical demands.
the periodization in Rippetoe's book, to me, is preferable to westside's conjugate system. The way I understand it, the only goal is to go through Seyle's first two stages: Alarm and resistence. From what Rippetoe says, the more advanced you become, and the closer you come to your genetic potential, the longer it takes to go through these stages. So, it might take you four weeks to disturb your homeostasis, and four more weeks to supercompensate. But westside does this all in one week?
I'm currently doing 5/3/1 (except I added a dynamic effort day). I'm thinking about switching to a russian routine like smolov or sheiko which seems to be focused more on high volume. American systems seem to focus more on low volume, heavy lifting. I've seen people get great results with both, and I don't know which one to go for :(.
HouseOfThe8Strings correct. It’s really not hard to follow. He throws science to justify his statements. I think what lifters forget its tailor made for the lifter. There is a guide template but like Louis said 80%of their training is through volume training. In that training is to target weak points
there's only one thing i don't agree with in this video, and that's the part where he talks about olympic lifters. i'm pretty sure he contradicts himself when he mentions the bulgarian oly lifters rotating percentages (obviously instead of exercises), but then goes on to complain that they "front squat, then back squat, then front squat, then back squat". in any case both camps are getting stronger, and both should have respect.
not joking when i say this....... the russians' sports knowledge (like training methods and understanding of physiology and impact of their way of doing things) is about 50 years ahead of what we have going on here (in US) we are not yet at the level of understanding they developed in the 50's and 60's it's pretty amazing really........ and i'm not sure we could even fully grasp the concepts if they explained them to us (which they wouldn't anyway)
@steven288 ok you named 2 guys that use I named 3 that don't and all 5 are top lifters, therefore it's not drugs but determination, diet, rest and proper training not steroids and HGH, that's all I'm saying. Believe what you will but I know guys that take drugs and still are not elite lifters, what's your reasoning for that? Just train hard and be the best that you can be that's all I'm saying
@steven288 Lol stop Scott Yard never used a needle a day in his life. LOL Brian Siders, Wade Hooper, etc what about them? find a team of guys that know what there doing and powerlift
My classmates laughed when I told them I would get ripped with "Epic Max Muscle", but then I showed them the results. Go and Google Epic Max Muscle to see their reaction. (It was epic!)
Louie you are the best! I was doing the same lifts all the time and was making a lot of progress but i started working with the conjugate system went from a 205 bench, a 275 squat, and a 305 deadlift to (in just a month and a half or so) a 245 bench, 355 squat, and now 335 deadlift. Keep in mind I'm a little guy at 5'6 and 165 lbs and I've never experienced progress like this until now. THANK YOU LOUIE!!!!!!!!!
Natty or not
Youssef Mikhael facts bro he’s smart
I could listen to Louie all day long... AMAZING!!
louie simmons is such an inspiration. he helped me a lot
We ar currently working with the conjugate system at the Grid Iron Gym here in the Republic of Nauru, lifters going for WR in the 120 junior class at the Commonwealth power lift in New zealand at the end of the Year, this is real stuff and no cock n bull, see you there "gud on you Lou"
This system isn't complicated. It's just basic physics combined with monitoring bar speed. Different speeds build different strength qualities i.e. absolute strength or speed strength etc.
The intelligence from Louie is in learning that one MUST get faster to get stronger. Period. Force=MassxAcceleration. And taking it even further to know exactly how to build the exact type of speed needed for different objectives.
He also came up with a one week system that allows one to know exactly how strong and how fast one is every week and at the same time monitor recovery and overtraining. That's incredibly impressive. And it works regardless if one is juicing or not.
In a nutshell it's more like power building. Or even strength training combined with physical therapy style training to perfect posture and muscle balance.
It can be applied to any exercises. Max out on DB dead lifts instead of BB DL. Then on speed day do some be jumps with a weight vest.
It's not really the exercise that matters. It's the physics.
Never saw it that way before, thanks!
The exercises do matter. The technique, etc is not easy to learn if you want to do it right. Training with improper form can wipe out everything. Yes the physics part matters but I wouldn’t go as far to say it’s the only thing that does matter. Don’t agree with that at all when I’ve trained powerlifting at a serious gym in the Northeast region in the US.
Hes like the Cus da mato of the powerlifting world
That’s an amazing way to put it. Yes
Lol at that guy wearing a CrossFit sweatshirt in a Louie Simmons seminar
John Crossfitters can definitely benefit from this advice
Everyone there is a cross-fitter. The guy at the beginning was Dave Castro, Director of the Crossfit Games
@@parkervybiral1736 Exactly, my guess it's a seminar specifically for crossfiters which is funny tbh.
@@happzy why is that funny? They are looking for better ways to improve.
The idea of crossfit is awesome. The execution is usually laughable
Conjugate system fucking amazing, give it a go before you mock it. You strength will skyrocket
What a legend. CF was lucky to have him share his knowledge. Wish i was there! rip and god bless!
The gradual trend in westside over time is progressive overload; every program does this in some form. It's just that in Westside, the ME lifts (especially) are rotated to avoid stagnation. If you think of it in terms of a given muscle group, it makes more sense how things are working. Say you do front squats for a ME for three weeks. You squat, set records, and then switch the exercise to something else, e.g. good mornings. The activation of the quads diminishes but increases elsewhere.
Wow, 12 years he spent "breaking [his] back" before he started figuring things out. And now, I can go to his website, spend 50 bucks and buy his book and learn 20+/30 years of his experience based knowledge. .. Wow.... Imagine if people like him refused to share what they know, and the people who knew these things were a secret society, and all of us had to spend 20 years trying to figure it all out on our owns....
-I've been lift and doing martial arts for over 25+ years and I might seem like an idiot when I say this coz' it's probably obvious to most but I feel like this guy's method is totally revolutionary. I just took a month off, my jointheads feel great, and I'm going to hit it hard for twelve weeks starting tomorrow using this method and see what happens. I wanna put 75lbs. on my deadlift.
Very informative man of powerlifting and always great to learn from him, one analogy he used in regards to accomodation 'whatever your name is, once you learn to spell it you can only spell it wrong' i know what he meant but strange choice of words lol
He died today, rest in peace king 🙏💐
You comment is spot on. I just picked up his book but it is so unorganized as compared to Tudor Bompa's book on periodization and how to build a system/ workout plan. Do you have any resources on how to better understand Louie's conjugate method? Thanks
"all i know i got beat up twice" sums up my cns perfectly lmao.
Big time thanks!!! I'm reading it right now.
Wow. Listening to Louie is like listening to a 5 year old on a triple expresso. He has a hard time staying with ethnic he starts on in a sentence. I understand some of his points but its very hard to follow.
+epzy I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, I've followed one of his programs. This is however the first time I've heard/watched him speak and he was very difficult to follow and seemed to have a hard time completing his thoughts on one topic before he moved on to the next. Maybe it's just his passion coming through for the topic or it was just this particular video. It's also a pet peeve of mine when people communicate like that so I'm overly aware of it. Nice educated response though.
i think it's a combination of his age, his time in the army, and the absolute beatings he has put on himself through training/competing
@TheNils333333 It's been 3 months since your question, so I hope you found the answer by now. Anyway, if you google "westside barbell basic template" you'll get it.
On max. squat days you can squat or deadlift - not both. On "rest" days you can do some GPP work and therapy, but besides that, there's no need to do isolation (bodybuilding) work.
I don't understand the percentages when u use bands? Are bands what he means by gear? Like 75-85% if u don't use bands and 50-60 when u do and u add the resistance of the bands to give u 75-85%?
Westside Barbell is launching its webinar series featuring Louie Simmons speaking on Conjugate System. Are you attending?
I read an article in Sports illustrated in the late 80s about Abijaev's unorthodox training methodology. They trained 5 to 7 times a day, 6 days a week. He believed in using 6 exercises, no more.
So i read the article on the WB-Site.. Ok... I am german so forgive me ;-)
First question ist for me:
There are this days: Mo=ME ; TH:? ; WED: ME ; FR: DE squat; Sa:?: SO: DE
What about these days wher i wrote a "?" rest days? And what about cardio? I ask for because i have to do cardio training cause of my bloodpressure and pulserate.
Second Q: I have a sledge should i do this training on cardio days? And what about the other assistent exercises? Like chin ups etc? When should i do this?
Thank you Louie
@ak632621
thats the point though, there is no one size fits all workout to gain strength, you have to test and periodize achieve results.
did you even watch the video? the conjugate system, involving the constant rotation of exercises e.g bench with bands, bench with bands + chains, bench with kettlebells on bands. the always changing variation of the three lifts means you never burn out and reduces the risk for injury. he even states you can apply this to olympic lifting and all other kinds of lifting, and if you've ever done it, you know it works.
@ak632621 I'm guessing that's why I don't quite get it. He makes sense but at the same time he doesn't make sense so I'm having a hard time grasping everything. How have you been doing it? Just speed doubles and triples working up to competition?
Am I suppose to heavy squat and heavy deadlift on the same day
yeah i spar with vegeta in the hyperbolic time chamber all the time.
How would you apply this in a workout routine
Did you not pay attention?
9:00 into it he's discussing the Pendulum Wave for those interested
So what would be some examples of accommodating to sprinting? Maybe broad jumps?
Very short sprints where you never reach full acceleration. So you are constantly training your ability to accelate.
That would be a good place to start.
Seems to me he doesn't define the conjugate system the way Verhoshansky does. Conjugate, if I am correct, referes to developing two things (absolute strength and strength speed, for example) simultaneuosly (either parallel or serial). So conjugate refers to Louie's system of using both dynamic effort on Sunday (for bench) and max effort on Wednesday. Verkoshansky referred to westside as "complex parallel." Yet Louis discussed the conjugate method only in terms of alternating max effort.
The only thing I don't kinda get is that say you pick a squat variation for max effort, could you DL max effort or would it be just for accessory?
I have Louie's books and DVD's { back in the day } You need to concentrate to take the theories in.
It's not intended to be a simple blue print as there are many facets and different strengths
stimulated using different methods.
Nothing that achieves huge results is ever simple.
I caught that to. I think he was speaking from an athlete's perspective in the first and a coach's in the second....I think
So i noticed there are 2 Max Effort days Mondays and Wednesdays is this to hard for a serious hobby athlet?
Because i have to learn a lot iam student make my bachlor etc...
And squat and deadlift at the same day? Also on the ME day on Monday?
I do not understand when i should benchpress ME and the squat and the deadlift.
Hope you can help me
Thanks!
Why does it hurt
@TheNils333333 its not a great idea to do two lifts for max effort on the same day, its more or less one max effort lift, not exceeding 4 reps. then supplementary and auxiliary work. if its true max effort, it will be hard to get four reps. very taxing.
@ak632621 look at joe defrancos super strength dvd, although a bastardized version of Westside he still goes into great detail explaining max effort, dynamic, rep ect... and even shows good mobility drills and exercises to use for each day.
accommodation - defined as - reconciliation of opposing views.
so if you're pressing 500lbs, wouldnt you want to accommodate the 500lbs?
Rest In Peace big man 😔
R.I.P. Louie.
Where is he?
@ak632621
Do you lift in gear or raw?
depends on what you want and your training experience. If you are a powerlifter or just want to get stronger. 531 is very easy to manage and very simple. No tricks or fancy equipment needed. westside is more fun but it can get confusing for somepeople, its also harder on your body. pick one and give it a shot.
Strength is measured in time and not weight?
He's referring to strength being relative to time. One person weighing 220lb may bench press 315lb's in 1 second.
Another person weighing 220lb may take 6 seconds of straining to lock out 315lb.
Whoever lifts the weight the fastest is the strongest. Hope this helps.
The '90%+' rule is easily verifiable; suggest you attempt to lift weights at 90%+ for over three weeks and see the sort of progress your lifts make.
My guess is that your experiences will mesh with Simmons'.
what is 50% of 700? "tree fiddy"... I think thats what you meant...
good lord all that energy
It’s passion
LS is the MAN !!
accommodation is not being able to spell it better but spelling it more efficiently. I can sum up my training principles in a few words. Graduate Training Mechanics. It applies to mental and physical demands.
So then why are 160 pound olympic lifters squatting over 600 pounds if it diesnt work?
@ak632621
Yes the book is a bit unorganized, but man did i learn from that book
10:25
Genius... period
briky7126; i assume its "skyrocketed" your lifts to a 225 squat yeah? SUCH a great system
225? please tell me you're using metric
Louie Simmons = Mark Rippetoe + Stefan Molyneux
Gibberish comparison
I found an amazing powerpoint not too long ago that lays everything out in a really simple manor. I'll message you if I find it.
Good drinking game.. drink every time louie takes his glasses off or puts them on
the periodization in Rippetoe's book, to me, is preferable to westside's conjugate system. The way I understand it, the only goal is to go through Seyle's first two stages: Alarm and resistence. From what Rippetoe says, the more advanced you become, and the closer you come to your genetic potential, the longer it takes to go through these stages. So, it might take you four weeks to disturb your homeostasis, and four more weeks to supercompensate. But westside does this all in one week?
I'm currently doing 5/3/1 (except I added a dynamic effort day). I'm thinking about switching to a russian routine like smolov or sheiko which seems to be focused more on high volume. American systems seem to focus more on low volume, heavy lifting. I've seen people get great results with both, and I don't know which one to go for :(.
>conjugate
>low volume
Bruh
welcome to america, where we judge the validity of someone's statements by how confident they are in addressing them.
too bad that this guy has records, but who cares for that all we wanna see is confidence, u dumb fuck
Hardly an American monopoly on that.
Welcome to America, where shit gets done...
I'm so sick of morons like you shitting on America. Do some fucking travelling you goon and see how the rest of the world lives.
Motorcycle Man-GO exactly. We are the most blessed country
So? Speed pulls for lots of sets?
This is clear as mud to me.
Oh wow.. not sure if srs..
It takes some concentration to make sense of Louie, but he knows exactly what he's talking about. And he's right.
HouseOfThe8Strings correct. It’s really not hard to follow. He throws science to justify his statements. I think what lifters forget its tailor made for the lifter. There is a guide template but like Louis said 80%of their training is through volume training. In that training is to target weak points
Should have cut the Dave Castro part out of the beginning.
5/3/1 all the way. most simple way to get stronger!
WrestlingDad1 which came from westside , confirmed by the creator himself. Many programs were inspired from westside
No
World-class weightlifters train here. Why anyone is even attempting to dis on the westside system blows my mind.
Notice how he doesn’t actually explain HOW to progress or rotate exercises, he just rambles on about everything he can think of with no direction.
and Jim Wendler for Sec of defense
If you want to turn from human into a giant, bald frog...
there's only one thing i don't agree with in this video, and that's the part where he talks about olympic lifters. i'm pretty sure he contradicts himself when he mentions the bulgarian oly lifters rotating percentages (obviously instead of exercises), but then goes on to complain that they "front squat, then back squat, then front squat, then back squat". in any case both camps are getting stronger, and both should have respect.
Could you message me that as well please. Thank you!
not joking when i say this....... the russians' sports knowledge (like training methods and understanding of physiology and impact of their way of doing things) is about 50 years ahead of what we have going on here (in US)
we are not yet at the level of understanding they developed in the 50's and 60's
it's pretty amazing really........ and i'm not sure we could even fully grasp the concepts if they explained them to us (which they wouldn't anyway)
If that would happen, we all would be fucking monsters.
genious
@steven288 ok you named 2 guys that use I named 3 that don't and all 5 are top lifters, therefore it's not drugs but determination, diet, rest and proper training not steroids and HGH, that's all I'm saying. Believe what you will but I know guys that take drugs and still are not elite lifters, what's your reasoning for that? Just train hard and be the best that you can be that's all I'm saying
How tall is Louie?
i duno but hes a crazy old man dont listen to a word he says
i typed in louie simmons delusions and i got this page
Clementino Gisondi LOL, no. Louie is great.
5 ft 6
Thanks man
"i dont have a plan i dont know what im doing tomorrow."
"if you dont have a plan you plan to fail."
he looks like a hastily made puppet in the thumbnail
@ costantin75
Ok, i'll get it... I was busy cause of work etc... But thank's for your answer :) Now... You brought me light into the darkness :)
you too i was the one that beat cell! but i said they could give gohan the credit
I use the Dragonball Z system lol
Westside Barbell
The guy comes at louie simmons seminar with crossfit shirt on. When a nerd tries to fit in...
pretty sure he's speaking at a crossfit event.
the beginning of the video has a big crossfit.com logo...its a crossfit seminar that louie is speaking at genius...
@steven288 Lol stop Scott Yard never used a needle a day in his life. LOL Brian Siders, Wade Hooper, etc what about them? find a team of guys that know what there doing and powerlift
I WISH!!!!!!!!!
11:45 - not science
lol at the guy with a crossfit jumper on ....
But I do like the dynamic training part of westside.
5:36 hahahahahahaa
@xghoulx yeah, totally. world class anything...natural...wake up.
Fuck this I'm takin roids lol
lol
That's what you do?
What's 50% of 500? Two fiddy.
too bad Dave Castro is presenting Louis Simmons.. the fate of cross fit would be much brighter with Louis behind it.
My classmates laughed when I told them I would get ripped with "Epic Max Muscle", but then I showed them the results. Go and Google Epic Max Muscle to see their reaction. (It was epic!)
I think someone trains on your "backside".
They should just cut Dave Castro. From Ear to Ear.