I should have made this clearer ➡ Callaway also has the Rogue ST Max (the one in this video is the ST Max LS) which they say is their "most forgiving" driver. In testing, I didn't find much difference between the Max LS and the Max except the LS was slightly longer with seemingly no difference in dispersion on off-centre strikes. So I think the ST Max LS is the better for most golfers 👍
Peter, I still use a 5 year old driver and am happy with it but one of my friends is a fitter at TruSpec (one of the premiere fitters in the US). He said that without a doubt the driver that has fit the majority of golfers is the Cobra (with its varients). He said that second was a distant second.
the new mizuno stz 220 has worked wonders for me. beforehand, i was the kind of player who would pull out an iron on open tee shots, but now i don’t stray away from driver on any par 4/5.
Great video Pete! Love the content! What shafts were used in the drivers mate? Would you do a video on the difference in forgiveness, swing speed etc. between say a reg flex and X stiff shaft in drivers?
I play a Cobra LTDx after playing a Ping G425 SFT, I find the Cobra for me just as forgiving as the Ping. I tend to believe that the many of the manufacturers all have reached about the same level of forgiveness in this category of drivers. I think you nailed it when you mentioned the “feel” factor leading you to choose the Callaway, that was the same thing that was the deciding factor of my choosing the Cobra because I found everything else equal when I compared the 2 on the course over a few weeks. I really appreciate this type of content as it relates to my skill level, please continue the great videos.
I've hit the LTDx but for me Ping G425 max is way more forgiving for bad shots(heel and toe, especially toe hits on LTDx are pretty bad). If you hit LTDx well then true it is a pretty forgiving and good driver also.
I have a Cobra LTDx driver as well. It is the most forgiving driver I have used, and it doesn't matter even with off center hits still finds the fairway. Was recommended to me by the club fitter at the box store I was in. He said after the young salesman picked out the most expensive drive, do you hit the center every time? No, I don't. He went and got the Cobra driver and three shafts. Spent an hour fitting me. Absolutely the most forgiving driver I have used no matter where it strikes the face.
I bought the Rogue Max LS and it has been a game changer for me off the tee. I could not be more pleased and happy I bought this driver despite picking a new (cheaper option) the year before.
I'm now playing the LTDx LS and I find it to be very forgiving. It is very long even on off-center strikes. I'm so happy with it. My miss with it is now just a light fade. My old Nike was a consistent left miss with the odd snap hook. Square up the LTDx and it is dead straight and super penetrating. Love it. It also launches impressively, even dialed down to 8 degrees.
I just bought the Callaway Rogue ST Max D and absolutely LOVE it! Let me give some reference on my opinion of my new driver. I've played golf about ten years and my first driver was the Callaway Great Big Bertha with a Bassara shaft on it. When I bought that driver, I tested every single women's driver that Golfsmith (now Golf Galaxy) had. That was about ten drivers! I immediately put the Callaway aside and then tried Ping, Cobra, Taylor made, Titleist, etc. etc. etc. In the end, for a "stock" driver, meaning with the shaft it came with, I chose the GBB. For my skill at the time it was hands down the best feeling driver to me. Experts say, due to technology, every five years you should swing other drivers and maybe buy a new one, but every ten years the technology has advanced so much that you must buy a new driver. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I hit my GBB with a fade to it (sometimes slight to the right side of the fairway and sometimes completely off the fairway.) My husband adjusted it to compensate for the fade and it worked, but there were times when I could feel the club head slightly "rock" in my hands at impact and that would affect where my ball went. I tried several clubs when it was time to get a new driver. Ping, Srixon (the driver is called the cheap man's Callaway) Callaway Paradym, Taylor made and the new Great Big Bertha). I didn't like the feel of the Paradym when swinging it at all and did not like the whippiness of the shaft on the GBB for a women's driver, the stock shaft felt amateurish and like it wasn't ready for business. By the way I feel this about the women's Ping drivers with stock shafts as well - they just don't feel serious when I swing them. I played in a tournament and one of the women I was playing with had a new Callaway Rogue Project X Cypher 50 5.0 shaft and I asked her if I could swing it. Even though the shaft was a bit stiff for me, there was a completely different feel to her driver. It was dead on. I did not drive any fades...the Jail break technology is pretty amazing and - I don't swing as fast as she does and so my fitter set me up with the Project X Cypher 40 4.0 shaft. (the shaft number 4.0 denotes my swing speed. I'm not a fast swinger and I'm not slow for a 61 year old woman and I like a pretty, I mean business style swing from my driver.) Please know I don't work for Callaway nor know anyone who does so I'm not just advertising for them. I don't even play a full Callaway bag! I have my new Rogue driver and I have an Odyssey Exo 7 putter. the rest of my bag is Ping. I'm just a normal 61 year old golf fanatic who loves to swing my clubs and I really feel the business in this driver when I swing it. This is a great driver and it is FUN to swing.
I don't believe enough is stated about driver shafts and how they can make, or break the feel of a driver (really, any club when it comes down to it). The beauty of the drivers where you can easily demo different shafts is a game changer. It's very cost effective to own several shafts if you want to experiment as well (for those who are never truly satisfied). Congrat's on finding your winner!
I bought the Triple Diamond with my spec to replace my older PXG, I then tried the Max LS and wow what a difference, I could hit the triple diamond reasonably well but it was the odd hit which I would get a larger left or right than id like, the point being it was the odd shot that went in BOTH directions, so its hard to adapt to a both direction bad shot. I have now got the MAX LS and I absolutely love hitting it and it's also the longest driver I've been able to carry too.
I've been playing the PING G425 since it's release. It supplanted the Titleist and I couldn't be more pleased with it's performance! I've also demoed the Callaway. Great performance. But the cost was quite a bit higher in my area.
As a relatively new golfer only really starting to play and practice often last Spring, my drives with the Rogue Max ST have been the most solid and forgiving by far. Callaway was running the the 50% bonus trade in credit and I would actually get more for my Maverick driver than I paid for it so figured why not. The driver has now become one of the best struck clubs in my bag. 🙌🏼
I bought a Callaway Epic Speed early this year from Callaway. I had a Razr Fit Extreme previously. I had Taylormade R11, R11s and then RBZ before the Callaways. I ended up purchasing the 3 and 5 woods to go with theEpic Speed Driver. Same technology as the Rogue. Very, Very Happy.
Have tested these recently (G430 max, tsr2, paradym x, aerojet). The paradym set up beautifully and had the most solid feel on hits across the face. Currently have Epic max LS and it has the same solid feel and consistent forgiving flight. The Callaways set up great with a square face. I only have a high 80's swing speed but have had good results with the LS version. I see the same in your situation, curious why they say the LS should be for higher swing speeds. Rogue ST max is now 399 which makes it a good deal.
I am an amateur golfer and I went to a Calaway fitting and the Rogue Max was magic. It changed my game. Just switching to 9 degree loft from 10.5 added 30+ yards to my drive. I just could not believe how well I was hitting it. I went to a scramble last week and drove over 300+ yards on a par 5 and shocked everyone (including myself). (I am over 50 with a bad back.) This was in a beginner scramble league and I have only been playing less than a year. I started last fall. I love this video because someone as well known and respected as you to confirm what I found to be true for me as a beginner makes the $549 price tag easier to swallow. I told myself I was not going to buy any new clubs until I learned to get better at golf but I couldn't sleep for 3 days until went out and bought it. (It improved my game that much.)
I went five years without a driver - I used a Taylormade mini driver. Early this spring my instructor fitted me for a Ping G425. On Sunday I played a round. I hit 12 of 14 fairways. I have a lot of confidence driving now.
The Ping is still $549 in the U.S. it would be nice to see a price drop. I'm NOT surprised the red faced, overhyped and over priced TaylorMade driver is not on your list. A buddy of mine has it and it's long, but super unforgiving. I'll stick with my Sim Max. Great 👍 review as always.
Unfortunately, I have a terrible slice so I’m looking for a nice anti slice driver. I am new to golf and I have a package set so my driver isn’t great!
The Callaway Rouge ST max or LS will be my first tester to compare to my current TM 2016 M2. My M2 was custom fit 2 times in 2021 for shafts. Last and current one is an Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0. I averaged 1.48 smash factor on trackman. Going to be fun comparing them also going try Titleist TSI2 or it’s next model too. I hit the Rouge ST max 3 wood about a month ago at my local range. Amazing feel/sound and forgiveness. If the driver feels as good as their 3 wood I’ll be sold.
Thanks Pete. I dont currently carry a driver as it makes me feel under confident. The biggest club I have is a 5 iron and often toy should I get fitted and get one back in the bag.
Great video Pete, at the end of last year when I went for a driver fitting, I tried the g425 max , tsi 1 and sim 2 max all clubs I wanted. And In the end the Rad speed max was the best for me
I have an M-1 that I play. Works great. Got it last year. I've gained roughly 15 yards most good days. But bad days it's shorter. It's all about that strike. When that G-425 goes on the used market I will be getting it. Thanks
Don't know how the Wilson C300 driver would stack up here, but I find that the technology they have incorporated provides a good combination of distance and forgiveness - at a significant savings in the price too.
I’ve been playing with the D9 driver from Wilson and I have been loving it. Higher handicap but I hit a ton of fairways and my club head speed is up around 100 now. I’d suggest it for sure. Very forgiving.
I love the channel man! I would love to see you interact more with your fans (play some holes on the channel). Keep doing your thing and I will most definitely keep on watching! 👌🏾🤙🏾
I have a SIM2 yes 280 yards, but bought a used Callaway Big Bertha Fusion last week for £25! ( Based on a review by Peter! ) Big Bertha Fusion I expected nothing, but wow! Makes 265 yards, so easy to hit and center of the fairway all day long. 3 * 18 hole round later 😱 Oohh its its now in my bag. 😎
I’m still a TourEdge junkie. The C721 is a fairway finder, forgiving and it’s LONG! I would love to see that club find its way into your top 4 and get more airtime….so to speak
When I got fit earlier this year the rogue ls was a major contender but the stealth+ gave me a little better numbers. What you said about high launch low spin drivers rings true if you've owned the sldr. That was the most unforgiving driver in existence.
Have been fitted with the Rogue ST max, and it performs exceptionally well. I have to put in a really bad swing to loose the ball left or right. Won the longest drive in my recent tournament. It's now my favourite club in the bag.
I have one too. Refitted it and it still works good and looks as good as the newer ones imo. Bought it “new “ after the Speedzone came out and saved a bit of cash.
I’m a mid handicap golfer and I’ve tried many “forgiving” drivers (G425, TSi1 & TSi2, RadSpeed, Stealth, Rogue ST Max, Mizuno ST line). All of them were still causing me to slice my drives. Then I came across the Big Bertha B21, and instantly I was able to smash it 260 yards and less offline (had a 300+ yard drive yesterday). I think it’ll be difficult to replace it for a while.
Mr Finch , enjoying your content . I have recently watched the “dropping of the iron “ video . Tried it and it’s great . But when I try to create whip in the swing ( I want more power ) I hit the ground before the ball . Can we have a video please. 👍
I have changed to the Cleveland Launcher XL Lite... Great driver and amazing value. There is Srixon technology in the driver. I am a senior single figure golfer. Don't ignore this driver... It works.
Mizuno ST-Z 220 honestly deserves a lot more love from people than it’s been given. Not sure why it’s so overlooked by creators, but it’s gotta be right up there with the ping driver easily.
I got fitted for the ST-200 so last years one, Most forgiving driver I had tried at the time, but distance wise was always 30 yards ( sometimes more in winter ) behind other drivers I could hit. The callaway Max LS is a different animal, only thing I've found that compares to it is a PXG and I've had most drivers released in the last 2 years because of my unhealthy obesssion of buying crap lol
@@Adam_H_Official there is pretty much zero difference in all driver heads by the major manufacturers. 30yds difference is impossible unless 1) the shaft in it was completely wrong for it/you or, 2) see number one.
This might sound strange but what do you mean when you say "average" golfer? I assumed I was an average golfer due to the sort of scores I shoot (usually 16-20 over) but my issue with driver (and irons too for that matter) is too much height and probably losing distance because of it. A forgiving driver is definitely appealing but it's consistency of direction rather than height where I need the forgiveness
Extra points for Nelly Korda playing the TSI1 too! Recently had a driver fitting, and hit almost everything. The TSI faces have such a weird shape, with that deep heel and pointing lil toe, it looked strange. And sadly, I couldn't manage to get an optimal fit out of the Rogue, in addition to still disliking that look and transition of the matte finish to the standard grey metal face. G425 was the only one that hit my optimal numbers compared to my Cobra. F9, so my new driver is the oldest from this video, ha. [Yeah the Stealth Plus is great too, but expensive and only good from the middle of the face, and VERY (too) low spinning]
Had the Ping G425 max and even though it was really forgiving I couldn't get used to the noise 🙉 Got fit for the callaway rogue st max and absolutely love it 🏌♂️⛳️
Great video, I do like the look of the callaway in those colours! Could you do a video on building up your swing speed with driver? When I get a bit too excited on a par 5 and go for it, it feels like I’m tensing up, gripping on too tight and end up either duffing or a massive slice.
Cleveland 460 Launcher bought for £28.00 is my new gamer. Over 20 years old but easily the best I have ever used, straight and long even when miss hit.
Seems that club manufacturers have all "evolved" to the new concept of melding various materials together and using rear weighting for forgiveness and forward weighting for shot shaping and squeezing out a few more yards. It's surprising how close many of these clubs are. Going through the process of picking one and Cobra LTDX was the latest test. Really nice, but my current front runner is the Ben Hogan GS53 Max which really surprised me.
Went to the Callaway demo day. Tried Max and Max LS. The Max LS looked so much better behind the ball. It was very forgiving. Tried on course and shot my low 9 of the year. Haven’t bought it yet but I think I will.
I tested out nearly every driver from major manufacturers over the past 18 months. Landed on the G425 Max. Just wildly more forgiving than everything else. I did love the TSI2 tho, and like the New Cobra as well.
I sprung for the Rogue ST Max LS this year and love the thing. I'm a high handcap and have started finding fairways like crazy. Now, if the club could just cure my yips on forced carries off the tee I'd be all set.
I play TSi3. Heard TSi2 is more forgiving but it just doesn't suit my eye. I did hit a golf buddy's Rogue. Looked and felt great but was shorter than the TSi3 by 15 yds. TSr3 or 4 in the fall is my next demo.
I haven't hit it yet, but based on your reviews and lot of others I've seen, for my swing speed (~115) and typically higher spin rate, I'm leaning toward the the Cobra LTDx LS, which seems to be forgiving and low spinning.
I have the LS and it’s massively forgiving. I used to play their XB driver from last year which is the forgiving model but the LS is even more forgiving than it IMO
the LTDX max seems like a VERY forgiving driver. just got it after my radspeed cracked, went to the range, and im excited to try it out soon on the course!
You will be impressed with the Cobra driver. Mine worked so well for me. My wife bought one as well. Huge improvement in forgiveness and distance gained.
As for me, I just using a complete sets of 90s Wilson's(not even Wilson Staff) Tour Limited edition 😁 which it is enough for me, and,.. the driver is just below 400cc clubs 😅. Still, rockin it 250++ yards. P.s: Pete, would be a great appreciation for any modern driver from you sir. 😂
Tried a few drivers recently having decided to move on from Ping G400 Max , firstly went down the SIM route , thereafter G425 and purchased a Mizuno STG with loads of adjustment , 4 months later I scoured the internet and found my keeper!! A brand new G400 max , I had tried to get a more penetrating flight spent a bit of cash and realised I wanted high draw back. G400 max 👍👍
"Around for ages" = 2 years? My driver, my most recent club, was introduced in 2005 ( Callaway Fusion FT-3). Next oldest club (Taylor Made Burner midsize 3-iron) was from 1993. The rest a dozen years older are forged blade irons and Burner fairway woods. "Classic" refers to an item that is 25 years old at least. Are you playing golf or buying golf?
I came for a 905R thinking I would get a tsi3. Nope...Ended up with a Max LS and love it. But what really surprised me was the Max 3 wood and 7 wood! So straight and unbelievably forgiving.
Hey pete question for you I'm looking at upgrading my 913 d2 driver I'm looking at the ts3 or 4 I'm looking for the least spin possible I'm a massive fader of the golf ball and want barely any spin what would you recommend out of those 2?
More spin makes it curve less. Higher backspin straightens out flight. And if you're a "massive fader" then you need to sort that out before even buying a new club. No new club will fix a "massive fade"( slice).
#ThatHitsTheSweetSpot I’ve got a Ping G425 Max this year and it has transformed my game. You just can’t beat consistency & forgiveness off the tee. Great content as always Pete. Well done to you and the team 👍🏻
It was g425 for me but hated the sound I couldn't stick with it so went to rogue st max D better sounding not as long as the ping but still helps me find fairways
I used a sim 2 max D that wasn’t fitted till a recent fitting where I walked out with a stealth 😂 but got very similar numbers with the callaway rouge st… a friend of mine has the ping 425 and I can honestly say it is so easy to hit I feel I can hit any shape I want with it which is a shape coz I can’t stand the sound the ping makes or how it looks
The original Taylormade M2 was the most forgiving driver I ever hit. I have the Maverick fitted with a different driver and I added 20 yards any decent strike is good.
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I should have made this clearer ➡ Callaway also has the Rogue ST Max (the one in this video is the ST Max LS) which they say is their "most forgiving" driver. In testing, I didn't find much difference between the Max LS and the Max except the LS was slightly longer with seemingly no difference in dispersion on off-centre strikes. So I think the ST Max LS is the better for most golfers 👍
I am somewhat biased to srixon
Have the Callaway ST Max and I love it.
Isn't the regular Callaway rogue as good as the new st?
Peter, I still use a 5 year old driver and am happy with it but one of my friends is a fitter at TruSpec (one of the premiere fitters in the US). He said that without a doubt the driver that has fit the majority of golfers is the Cobra (with its varients). He said that second was a distant second.
@@dimetime0 had both and can honestly say no, the new ST in my opinion is wY better for feel, distance and stopping slice
the new mizuno stz 220 has worked wonders for me. beforehand, i was the kind of player who would pull out an iron on open tee shots, but now i don’t stray away from driver on any par 4/5.
Looking forward to testing more Mizuno stuff, need to get a shaft fixed up for the new heads
@@peterfinchgolf YES PLEASE
Great video Pete! Love the content!
What shafts were used in the drivers mate? Would you do a video on the difference in forgiveness, swing speed etc. between say a reg flex and X stiff shaft in drivers?
I play a Cobra LTDx after playing a Ping G425 SFT, I find the Cobra for me just as forgiving as the Ping. I tend to believe that the many of the manufacturers all have reached about the same level of forgiveness in this category of drivers. I think you nailed it when you mentioned the “feel” factor leading you to choose the Callaway, that was the same thing that was the deciding factor of my choosing the Cobra because I found everything else equal when I compared the 2 on the course over a few weeks. I really appreciate this type of content as it relates to my skill level, please continue the great videos.
I've hit the LTDx but for me Ping G425 max is way more forgiving for bad shots(heel and toe, especially toe hits on LTDx are pretty bad). If you hit LTDx well then true it is a pretty forgiving and good driver also.
I have a Cobra LTDx driver as well. It is the most forgiving driver I have used, and it doesn't matter even with off center hits still finds the fairway. Was recommended to me by the club fitter at the box store I was in. He said after the young salesman picked out the most expensive drive, do you hit the center every time? No, I don't. He went and got the Cobra driver and three shafts. Spent an hour fitting me. Absolutely the most forgiving driver I have used no matter where it strikes the face.
I bought the Rogue Max LS and it has been a game changer for me off the tee. I could not be more pleased and happy I bought this driver despite picking a new (cheaper option) the year before.
I'm now playing the LTDx LS and I find it to be very forgiving. It is very long even on off-center strikes. I'm so happy with it. My miss with it is now just a light fade. My old Nike was a consistent left miss with the odd snap hook. Square up the LTDx and it is dead straight and super penetrating. Love it. It also launches impressively, even dialed down to 8 degrees.
I have the same results with my Cobra LTDx driver as well. Best driver I have used. Forgiving, long, happiness!
I just bought the Callaway Rogue ST Max D and absolutely LOVE it! Let me give some reference on my opinion of my new driver. I've played golf about ten years and my first driver was the Callaway Great Big Bertha with a Bassara shaft on it. When I bought that driver, I tested every single women's driver that Golfsmith (now Golf Galaxy) had. That was about ten drivers! I immediately put the Callaway aside and then tried Ping, Cobra, Taylor made, Titleist, etc. etc. etc.
In the end, for a "stock" driver, meaning with the shaft it came with, I chose the GBB. For my skill at the time it was hands down the best feeling driver to me.
Experts say, due to technology, every five years you should swing other drivers and maybe buy a new one, but every ten years the technology has advanced so much that you must buy a new driver. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I hit my GBB with a fade to it (sometimes slight to the right side of the fairway and sometimes completely off the fairway.) My husband adjusted it to compensate for the fade and it worked, but there were times when I could feel the club head slightly "rock" in my hands at impact and that would affect where my ball went.
I tried several clubs when it was time to get a new driver. Ping, Srixon (the driver is called the cheap man's Callaway) Callaway Paradym, Taylor made and the new Great Big Bertha). I didn't like the feel of the Paradym when swinging it at all and did not like the whippiness of the shaft on the GBB for a women's driver, the stock shaft felt amateurish and like it wasn't ready for business. By the way I feel this about the women's Ping drivers with stock shafts as well - they just don't feel serious when I swing them.
I played in a tournament and one of the women I was playing with had a new Callaway Rogue Project X Cypher 50 5.0 shaft and I asked her if I could swing it. Even though the shaft was a bit stiff for me, there was a completely different feel to her driver. It was dead on. I did not drive any fades...the Jail break technology is pretty amazing and - I don't swing as fast as she does and so my fitter set me up with the Project X Cypher 40 4.0 shaft. (the shaft number 4.0 denotes my swing speed. I'm not a fast swinger and I'm not slow for a 61 year old woman and I like a pretty, I mean business style swing from my driver.)
Please know I don't work for Callaway nor know anyone who does so I'm not just advertising for them. I don't even play a full Callaway bag! I have my new Rogue driver and I have an Odyssey Exo 7 putter. the rest of my bag is Ping. I'm just a normal 61 year old golf fanatic who loves to swing my clubs and I really feel the business in this driver when I swing it.
This is a great driver and it is FUN to swing.
I don't believe enough is stated about driver shafts and how they can make, or break the feel of a driver (really, any club when it comes down to it). The beauty of the drivers where you can easily demo different shafts is a game changer. It's very cost effective to own several shafts if you want to experiment as well (for those who are never truly satisfied). Congrat's on finding your winner!
Good stuff as always, Pete. It's great that a lot of this affects and helps over 90% of players.
I weirdly have been waiting for this exact video and you delivered Pete !!!
I bought the Triple Diamond with my spec to replace my older PXG, I then tried the Max LS and wow what a difference, I could hit the triple diamond reasonably well but it was the odd hit which I would get a larger left or right than id like, the point being it was the odd shot that went in BOTH directions, so its hard to adapt to a both direction bad shot. I have now got the MAX LS and I absolutely love hitting it and it's also the longest driver I've been able to carry too.
I've been playing the PING G425 since it's release. It supplanted the Titleist and I couldn't be more pleased with it's performance!
I've also demoed the Callaway. Great performance. But the cost was quite a bit higher in my area.
As a relatively new golfer only really starting to play and practice often last Spring, my drives with the Rogue Max ST have been the most solid and forgiving by far. Callaway was running the the 50% bonus trade in credit and I would actually get more for my Maverick driver than I paid for it so figured why not. The driver has now become one of the best struck clubs in my bag. 🙌🏼
I bought a Callaway Epic Speed early this year from Callaway. I had a Razr Fit Extreme previously. I had Taylormade R11, R11s and then RBZ before the Callaways. I ended up purchasing the 3 and 5 woods to go with theEpic Speed Driver. Same technology as the Rogue. Very, Very Happy.
Have tested these recently (G430 max, tsr2, paradym x, aerojet). The paradym set up beautifully and had the most solid feel on hits across the face. Currently have Epic max LS and it has the same solid feel and consistent forgiving flight. The Callaways set up great with a square face. I only have a high 80's swing speed but have had good results with the LS version. I see the same in your situation, curious why they say the LS should be for higher swing speeds. Rogue ST max is now 399 which makes it a good deal.
I am an amateur golfer and I went to a Calaway fitting and the Rogue Max was magic. It changed my game. Just switching to 9 degree loft from 10.5 added 30+ yards to my drive. I just could not believe how well I was hitting it. I went to a scramble last week and drove over 300+ yards on a par 5 and shocked everyone (including myself). (I am over 50 with a bad back.) This was in a beginner scramble league and I have only been playing less than a year. I started last fall. I love this video because someone as well known and respected as you to confirm what I found to be true for me as a beginner makes the $549 price tag easier to swallow. I told myself I was not going to buy any new clubs until I learned to get better at golf but I couldn't sleep for 3 days until went out and bought it. (It improved my game that much.)
bullsh*t....lol
By end of the year could be hitting around 400 hey
Hahaha 300 yards. You wish. Maybe 300 feet. 😂😂😂
I went five years without a driver - I used a Taylormade mini driver. Early this spring my instructor fitted me for a Ping G425. On Sunday I played a round. I hit 12 of 14 fairways. I have a lot of confidence driving now.
The 425 max is almost like cheating
The Ping is still $549 in the U.S. it would be nice to see a price drop. I'm NOT surprised the red faced, overhyped and over priced TaylorMade driver is not on your list. A buddy of mine has it and it's long, but super unforgiving. I'll stick with my Sim Max. Great 👍 review as always.
Unfortunately, I have a terrible slice so I’m looking for a nice anti slice driver. I am new to golf and I have a package set so my driver isn’t great!
The Callaway Rouge ST max or LS will be my first tester to compare to my current TM 2016 M2. My M2 was custom fit 2 times in 2021 for shafts. Last and current one is an Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0. I averaged 1.48 smash factor on trackman.
Going to be fun comparing them also going try Titleist TSI2 or it’s next model too.
I hit the Rouge ST max 3 wood about a month ago at my local range. Amazing feel/sound and forgiveness. If the driver feels as good as their 3 wood I’ll be sold.
Thanks Pete. I dont currently carry a driver as it makes me feel under confident. The biggest club I have is a 5 iron and often toy should I get fitted and get one back in the bag.
Great video Pete, at the end of last year when I went for a driver fitting, I tried the g425 max , tsi 1 and sim 2 max all clubs I wanted. And In the end the Rad speed max was the best for me
I have an M-1 that I play. Works great. Got it last year. I've gained roughly 15 yards most good days. But bad days it's shorter. It's all about that strike. When that G-425 goes on the used market I will be getting it. Thanks
Don't know how the Wilson C300 driver would stack up here, but I find that the technology they have incorporated provides a good combination of distance and forgiveness - at a significant savings in the price too.
I’ve been playing with the D9 driver from Wilson and I have been loving it. Higher handicap but I hit a ton of fairways and my club head speed is up around 100 now. I’d suggest it for sure. Very forgiving.
I do like Wilson clubs, still very under appreciated
How far are you driving with 100 mph club head speed?
@@mrdune5479 depends on my smash factor, wind, altitude, etc. but I’d say anywhere from 245-275 on average.
And that’s total distance. My carry distance is a bit less than that
@@D9Beats I would be stoked to hit that far, thanks!
I love the channel man! I would love to see you interact more with your fans (play some holes on the channel). Keep doing your thing and I will most definitely keep on watching! 👌🏾🤙🏾
Great video Pete. I'd love to hear your review of the Cleveland XL Halo Drivers.
I have a SIM2 yes 280 yards, but bought a used Callaway Big Bertha Fusion last week for £25! ( Based on a review by Peter! )
Big Bertha Fusion I expected nothing, but wow! Makes 265 yards, so easy to hit and center of the fairway all day long. 3 * 18 hole round later 😱
Oohh its its now in my bag. 😎
I’m still a TourEdge junkie. The C721 is a fairway finder, forgiving and it’s LONG! I would love to see that club find its way into your top 4 and get more airtime….so to speak
When I got fit earlier this year the rogue ls was a major contender but the stealth+ gave me a little better numbers. What you said about high launch low spin drivers rings true if you've owned the sldr. That was the most unforgiving driver in existence.
I prefer the Maltby (GolfWorks) KE4 Tour TC. You have multiple choices of shaft materials, length, loft, lie, etc. It's a tack driver with high MOI.
Have been fitted with the Rogue ST max, and it performs exceptionally well. I have to put in a really bad swing to loose the ball left or right. Won the longest drive in my recent tournament. It's now my favourite club in the bag.
I still have a Cobra F9. Have tried newer ones but none have given that much of an improvement to warrant paying the extra money.
I have one too. Refitted it and it still works good and looks as good as the newer ones imo. Bought it “new “ after the Speedzone came out and saved a bit of cash.
I moved from the PING G410 to the Titleist TSi2 the forgiveness is very similar, but I am getting more ball speed from the TSi2 effortlessly.
Still rocking my M5, still love it and the adjustability it gives me
I’m a mid handicap golfer and I’ve tried many “forgiving” drivers (G425, TSi1 & TSi2, RadSpeed, Stealth, Rogue ST Max, Mizuno ST line). All of them were still causing me to slice my drives. Then I came across the Big Bertha B21, and instantly I was able to smash it 260 yards and less offline (had a 300+ yard drive yesterday). I think it’ll be difficult to replace it for a while.
What shaft did you get?
@@dry509 Mitsubishi Diamana BF 70 TX
Just picked up a Mizuno STZ to match my irons and I was very surprised how forgiving it is.
Mr Finch , enjoying your content . I have recently watched the “dropping of the iron “ video . Tried it and it’s great . But when I try to create whip in the swing ( I want more power ) I hit the ground before the ball . Can we have a video please. 👍
I’m currently using G-410 plus. Love it!!!
I have changed to the Cleveland Launcher XL Lite... Great driver and amazing value. There is Srixon technology in the driver. I am a senior single figure golfer. Don't ignore this driver... It works.
I agree the Cleveland drivers are crazy forgiving
Mizuno ST-Z 220 honestly deserves a lot more love from people than it’s been given. Not sure why it’s so overlooked by creators, but it’s gotta be right up there with the ping driver easily.
I got fitted for the ST-200 so last years one, Most forgiving driver I had tried at the time, but distance wise was always 30 yards ( sometimes more in winter ) behind other drivers I could hit. The callaway Max LS is a different animal, only thing I've found that compares to it is a PXG and I've had most drivers released in the last 2 years because of my unhealthy obesssion of buying crap lol
@@Adam_H_Official there is pretty much zero difference in all driver heads by the major manufacturers. 30yds difference is impossible unless 1) the shaft in it was completely wrong for it/you or, 2) see number one.
Loved the video
Keep up the good work Pete👍
This might sound strange but what do you mean when you say "average" golfer?
I assumed I was an average golfer due to the sort of scores I shoot (usually 16-20 over) but my issue with driver (and irons too for that matter) is too much height and probably losing distance because of it.
A forgiving driver is definitely appealing but it's consistency of direction rather than height where I need the forgiveness
Extra points for Nelly Korda playing the TSI1 too! Recently had a driver fitting, and hit almost everything. The TSI faces have such a weird shape, with that deep heel and pointing lil toe, it looked strange. And sadly, I couldn't manage to get an optimal fit out of the Rogue, in addition to still disliking that look and transition of the matte finish to the standard grey metal face. G425 was the only one that hit my optimal numbers compared to my Cobra. F9, so my new driver is the oldest from this video, ha. [Yeah the Stealth Plus is great too, but expensive and only good from the middle of the face, and VERY (too) low spinning]
Always good stuff probably my weakest club may need to pick up one of these as the golf game progresses
Had the Ping G425 max and even though it was really forgiving I couldn't get used to the noise 🙉
Got fit for the callaway rogue st max and absolutely love it 🏌♂️⛳️
I would have liked to see the strike spin numbers for the callaway that you had for the TSi1.
Great video, I do like the look of the callaway in those colours!
Could you do a video on building up your swing speed with driver? When I get a bit too excited on a par 5 and go for it, it feels like I’m tensing up, gripping on too tight and end up either duffing or a massive slice.
Cleveland 460 Launcher bought for £28.00 is my new gamer. Over 20 years old but easily the best I have ever used, straight and long even when miss hit.
For me the Callaway Rogue.. loving it... distance and forgiveness
Good video pete. I'm still rocking the cobra speedzone max and I find it very forgiving and long.
Hi Pete! What is the best anti-slice driver in your opinion? For someone who doesnt have time to practice much or take lessons!? Thank you!
Maybe in stead of playing a round take a lesson. In the end the driver can be draw biased but not a cure for a slice
Seems that club manufacturers have all "evolved" to the new concept of melding various materials together and using rear weighting for forgiveness and forward weighting for shot shaping and squeezing out a few more yards. It's surprising how close many of these clubs are. Going through the process of picking one and Cobra LTDX was the latest test. Really nice, but my current front runner is the Ben Hogan GS53 Max which really surprised me.
Went to the Callaway demo day. Tried Max and Max LS. The Max LS looked so much better behind the ball. It was very forgiving. Tried on course and shot my low 9 of the year. Haven’t bought it yet but I think I will.
I tested out nearly every driver from major manufacturers over the past 18 months. Landed on the G425 Max. Just wildly more forgiving than everything else. I did love the TSI2 tho, and like the New Cobra as well.
I sprung for the Rogue ST Max LS this year and love the thing. I'm a high handcap and have started finding fairways like crazy. Now, if the club could just cure my yips on forced carries off the tee I'd be all set.
Loved the video Peter! Anyway we can get you to compare the numbers between the max and the max ls at about 90 mph ?
What’s for forgiving… g425 max or the ts2? I need all the help I can get 🙃
I got a SIM Max and put it on a Diamana D+plus 72x shaft. I wish I'd had it 30 years ago.
I tested all of the new drivers this year and the rogue max LS was the best by far, it improved everything about my driving
That Callaway is on my list to pick up at some point this year
There are alot of different shaft and loft options. How do you know which is the best without getting fitted for a driver?
I would love to see the 2023 version of this!
I play TSi3. Heard TSi2 is more forgiving but it just doesn't suit my eye. I did hit a golf buddy's Rogue. Looked and felt great but was shorter than the TSi3 by 15 yds. TSr3 or 4 in the fall is my next demo.
Knew it had to be a Cally. I've heard good things about the Cobra F9 as well.
I played Titleist drivers for years switched to g425 lst this year and I’m driving it better than ever.
I haven't hit it yet, but based on your reviews and lot of others I've seen, for my swing speed (~115) and typically higher spin rate, I'm leaning toward the the Cobra LTDx LS, which seems to be forgiving and low spinning.
I have the LS and it’s massively forgiving. I used to play their XB driver from last year which is the forgiving model but the LS is even more forgiving than it IMO
the LTDX max seems like a VERY forgiving driver. just got it after my radspeed cracked, went to the range, and im excited to try it out soon on the course!
You will be impressed with the Cobra driver. Mine worked so well for me. My wife bought one as well. Huge improvement in forgiveness and distance gained.
Any chance of a review of the pxg 0811xf gen 4? This is at a really good price point....
As for me, I just using a complete sets of 90s Wilson's(not even Wilson Staff) Tour Limited edition 😁 which it is enough for me, and,.. the driver is just below 400cc clubs 😅. Still, rockin it 250++ yards.
P.s: Pete, would be a great appreciation for any modern driver from you sir. 😂
My favorite is the Titelist Ts2
Just got it and it is amazing
I have the original ts2 titleist and it is the best driver I have ever had, Iv had m2, epic, vapour drivers and the ts2 is fantastic
I'm currently gaming the Rogue LS, and it's an absolute monster! I love it
Tried a few drivers recently having decided to move on from Ping G400 Max , firstly went down the SIM route , thereafter G425 and purchased a Mizuno STG with loads of adjustment , 4 months later I scoured the internet and found my keeper!!
A brand new G400 max , I had tried to get a more penetrating flight spent a bit of cash and realised I wanted high draw back.
G400 max 👍👍
I’ve just bought a G400 max! Can’t wait to try it and see just how forgiving it actually is!
Best unbiased vid, I like
"Around for ages" = 2 years? My driver, my most recent club, was introduced in 2005 ( Callaway Fusion FT-3). Next oldest club (Taylor Made Burner midsize 3-iron) was from 1993. The rest a dozen years older are forged blade irons and Burner fairway woods. "Classic" refers to an item that is 25 years old at least. Are you playing golf or buying golf?
I’ve just bought the Rogue Max D, what’s your opinion on this?
I came for a 905R thinking I would get a tsi3. Nope...Ended up with a Max LS and love it. But what really surprised me was the Max 3 wood and 7 wood! So straight and unbelievably forgiving.
I regret selling my 905r. Looked so nice behind the ball and when hit out of the middle, it was loooong!
I have a Taylor Made Aero Burner set. Quite forgiving, very playable for a less than weekend warrior.
Great stuff Pete. A hugely welcome video to us, desperate for forgiveness bunch.
Hey pete question for you I'm looking at upgrading my 913 d2 driver I'm looking at the ts3 or 4 I'm looking for the least spin possible I'm a massive fader of the golf ball and want barely any spin what would you recommend out of those 2?
More spin makes it curve less. Higher backspin straightens out flight. And if you're a "massive fader" then you need to sort that out before even buying a new club. No new club will fix a "massive fade"( slice).
#ThatHitsTheSweetSpot I’ve got a Ping G425 Max this year and it has transformed my game. You just can’t beat consistency & forgiveness off the tee. Great content as always Pete. Well done to you and the team 👍🏻
It was g425 for me but hated the sound I couldn't stick with it so went to rogue st max D better sounding not as long as the ping but still helps me find fairways
I was fit for the 425 max but I lost so much distance I was in unhappy with it.
No love for the PXG 0211? Or their Gen4/5 XF drivers?
I heard the mizunos are up there this years, have you tested them ?
Cobra ltdx ls for me. Tried quite a lot of drivers before I settled on mine. Wouldn’t sell it for the world. Maybe two worlds
In you other driver video you said Calloway Big Bertha Fusion was most forgiving? Come on Pete, golf is hard enough without even more conflict 😂🤣
Brilliant video man
Rogue ST max for me is the best wasn't a huge fan of the feel in the LS but what a fantastic performing driver
I used a sim 2 max D that wasn’t fitted till a recent fitting where I walked out with a stealth 😂 but got very similar numbers with the callaway rouge st… a friend of mine has the ping 425 and I can honestly say it is so easy to hit I feel I can hit any shape I want with it which is a shape coz I can’t stand the sound the ping makes or how it looks
I’m going to assume your not the real peter finch replying to this message
Love my Titleist TSI 1 driver
What about the degree of loft. 9. 5 10 . 5 is not good for me as I am a high handy capper.
I'd love to try the G 425. I have the SIM 2 Max now. it's good
The original Taylormade M2 was the most forgiving driver I ever hit.
I have the Maverick fitted with a different driver and I added 20 yards any decent strike is good.
As a new golfer the best driver I have used is definitely my 3 wood 😂
At least I can hit that consistently!
Sim2 max by far my favorite driver
I have the Ping Max.. love it.. only one ‘but’. The sound… it should say ‘Pong’ on the bottom 🙄
Nelly Korda also uses a TSi1 if I remember correctly, and she’s one of the top women in golf.
I'm still using the original M2. Haven't hit anything I like that would convince me to stump up more money for a new driver.
Just got fit for a Ping G425 to replace my Rogue.