IRN Potemkin - Guide 078
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- The IRN Potemkin, a pre-dreadnought of Imperial Russian Navy is today's subject.
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Pantelimon is the name of an orthodox saint, considered patron of the medical profession and supposedly based on a real historical person who practiced medicine in the 3rd century in the city of Nicomidia (Byzantine empire). Miracle myths aside, he was famous for not soliciting any payment for his services and offering free medical care to the poor.
Saint Pantaleon of Nicomedia. Also a Catholic saint. His relics ended up in Porto and he was the city's patron until the 1980's.
@@CanalTremocos Whereupon he decided he'd had enough of all that and can now be found slumming it in a deckchair on a Jamaican beech drinking rum and smoking weed.
На Черном море была какая-то мания переименовывания кораблей.
Every film student knows this ship well, due to the movie "Battleship Potemkin".
Space battleship potemkin?
In the Star Trek Original series episode "The Ultimate Computer," the Potemkin is one of four sister-ships of the Enterprise involved in the climactic scenes (the others are Excalibur, Hood, and Lexington).
The Odessa Steps scene from that movie is replicated in the film, "The Untouchables" from the 1980s with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery.
Every student of history promptly ignores the film majors eyeing the Potemkin, and instead eyes the Avrova (Aurora) with the same appreciation. though a mere cruiser competing for adulation against a mighty battleship, she (the Aurora ) has 2 advantages; One, she fired the first shot of the Russian Revolution (from her forecastle signal gun) and Two, she is still floating and looking magnificent today. (im nobody's communist but a lover of history, a visit to her is on my bucket list) look her up folks.
Am a navel fan am 61 a captain and have never herd of the movie do not be presumptish
I used to have a plastic scale model of Potemkin back when I was a kid. SOOOOO many parts. Took me about 2 weeks to fully put it together. It was beautiful.
yep, i built her(him, Russians use masculine pronouns for ships) too. was a fun build
I have Potempkin serving in my fleet, a Soviet made 1/400 kit though the original moulds were French. The box are and cardboard quality say a lot about Soviet quality.
The insane history of Potemkin is what makes it the most recognized name of a Russian warship. I guess that's why Star Trek used it!
It always catches me by surprise how... antiquated the ships of the black fleet looked in the beginning of the 20th century. The flat vertical side panels and the "fat" plan view compared to other more slender ships of the age (HMS Dreadnought, HMS Warspite, etc.) with pointier bows and sterns all sort of add up to make them look more like bulk freighters than purpose built warships to me
Thanks for the human voice!
It's so much nicer to listen to than the robotic one.
Any stories about the Russian navy during the first and second world wars are generally a guide on what not to do.
Im pretty sure before the cold war the russian navy was essentially a training guide for other navys on exactly how to fail at being a navy, how to provoke war with someone you dont wish to fight and in turn how important it is to be able to distinguish between a fishing boat and a warship, how to lose a battle on paper you couldnt possibly lose, and lets not forget the main one how ships can be sunk by land based artillery if you let the enemy get a vantage point overlooking your entire fleet. Haha
@@Colt45hatchback Very different after that, though! No one who served in the USN during the Cold War had the slightest doubt that the Soviets, and especially their submarine force, would be extremely dangerous opponents if it ever came to a shooting war. They probably still would be, although I understand their general state of readiness is abysmal these days due to lack of funding.
@Bruce Tucker I mean people thought that at the time because of effective Soviet propaganda, but now that we actually have records of the Soviet Navy during the Cold War we know that it was almost as terrible as the Russian Navy has been throughout history.
@@brucetucker4847 Unfortunately for us Russians, lack of funding is a thing of the past. The military in general, and the navy, had sort of windfall financing in the last decade. Sure, most of this money is swindled and syphoned, but quite a lot is actually invested in new... kamchatkas. What a waste.
@@micfail2 lol man, Soviet subs kept their NATO adversaries on alert for the entire Cold War
Very enjoyable episode, thanks for making! I've always held a fascination for these pre-dreadnoughts. The actions in the Black Sea are quite diverse and interesting.
Just shows that reality can be stranger than fiction. The entire thing is quite ridiculous. Definitely had a colorful history. Thanks for this!
Most of the Black Sea Fleet ship names are religious or named after historical figures: "Tri Sviatitelia" are the three Holy Hierachs of Eastern Orthodoxy (Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, John Chrysostom), "Rostislav" is named after Rostislav I of Kiev and Prince of Smolensk in the 1100s.
Yes! I was waiting for this. Thanks for the video and the great job.
Sergei Eisenstein produced a masterpiece at the time, a brilliant film.
... Every Sailor ever: Renaming a ship is bad luck.
USSR: Hold my Rotten Borscht and mouldy bread.
"Hold my empty vodka bottle, comrade!"
Its not strictly bad luck, but there are specific renaming ceremonies which must be performed to avoid incurring the wrath of poseidon. Assuming these ceremonies are conducted properly, its a basic, routine thing.
USSR in 1905? Do you actually know anything?
@@lucianene7741 I wish you luck with your surgery. It must be a terrible trial to be born without one of the senses.
@@kentlindal5422
Nooo, I don't believe it was that sense. It seems genuine, the same as the rotten joke you people keep circulating around the internet for years and years.
Awesome videos, Drachinifel
Though on opposite sides, the tactical situation of Potemkin in Odessa parallels that of Warspite in Liverpool 14 year later.
According to David Woodward's The Russians at Sea 1955 the Russian Black Sea battleships were equipped with internal radio for bridge to gunnery communication.
I would imagine this was probably brought in as part of the upgrades in the 1900's, which would partially contribute to the increase in fire rate.
PS I should have added in WW I. I believe it was on the initiative of the admiral.
Ha, I misread that as being equipped in 1955, and was confused/amused
@@vespelian5769 Radio telephony emerged only after WWI; during the war, radio was limited to telegraph messages sent via spark-gap transmitters. This could not be used for intercom purposes, even in theory. I'd guess that Woodward meant something else, probably the radios connecting the fleet HQ with coastal batteries. This was deployed before WWI.
@Drachinifel if you are struggling to pronounce Russian names, just use google translate text to speech and clip those into the audio recording. Just a thought.
I never cared(nor do now) about maritime stuff, but the way you are putting information is really pleasant and that's why I am listening to your stories. I meant to say THANK YOU.
Great video! I love these derpy russian ships, they almost always have some convoluted or absurd story to them. Though i have to make a slight correction, you said that the best sailors were sent to the Tsushima fleet, however captains preferred to keep the best/most docile sailors to themselves, so instead they sent troublemakers, suspected revolutionaries, penalized sailors and such. I've read the memoirs of one of the survivors of the battle of Tsushima, who sailed on the pre-dreadnaught "Oryol", he mentioned how almost a 5th of the the entire crew consisted of such people, much to the horror of the ships second in command Sidorov.
I think he meant the original russian pacific fleet, then the mixed bag penal fleet...
if you are referring to Novikov priboy Tsushima, then keep in mind that it is very much doctored to fit soviet standards, depicting tzarist regime blah blsh...
Interesting history for this ship!
Q & A - Can you talk about the various forms of torpedo protection employed by warships such as bulges and the Pugliese system?
The uprising on Potemkin is one of the most interesting stories in history. I have a lot of literature on this topic, there is not everything as simple as mass history interprets.
Is it even Russian if it didn't have a mutiny
Best comment ever :D
The kamchatka didnt have any
@@angrydragonslayer WhaaT
@@jakemillar649 the SS kamchatka
the most cursed iron ship to sail the seas
I would say is it even Russian if "and then things got worse" does not apply to it
Love your content, please keep up the good work
More about old sail ships, eg. ships used by Columbus and Francis Drake. Great work!
Potemkin's crew: sailing to kill some imperialists under a red flag before it was mainstream...
Imperialists - What's better than some rotten maggoty food?
Communists - My family starving to death and me getting shipped off to gulag!
bearjew what duty? The empire was no better. Russia has always been screwed
They weren't part of the October revolution nor were they Bolshiviks, they were part of the 1905 uprising.
@@charlespolk5221 And say, what was their ideology?
@@TacoSallust it's a trick question you'll starve under both the tsar and the Soviet Union. It's a new marketing campaign and internal restructuring but the starving never changed too much.
Great video, as ways. And for me personally interesting, as my maternal grandparents had escaped from Odessa in 1904. My paternal grandparents had also fled Czarist Russia about 20 years earlier. My information on my dad's side of the family is somewhat sketchy, as my grandfather died when my dad was two years old, but I believe they also lived in Odessa. Feed the crew with rotten borsht? Sounds typical for the Czar and his cronies. I remember my grandmother spitting whenever she said the word, "Russia".
Because the Tzar wanted to be deliberately cruel to his troops? They were in the middle of a war and Russia had problems getting supplies to where they needed to be. Similar things happen to any country that's at war.
@@KageMinowara I was taught that the # 1 responsibility of every officer is to look after the well-being of the men (and women, today) under his command. The captain may not have been able to obtain better food, but shooting men for refusing to eat rotten meat is a gross command failure.
@@KageMinowara An officer's responsibility is to take care of his troops. There's no excuse for their failure to do so. If the crew had to eat rotten meat, the officers should've eaten rotten meat as well...including the captain.
///I remember my grandmother spitting whenever she said the word, "Russia".///
Jews?
@@thatdude3938 Yes.
I would personally love to see you do a review on the IJN Takao.
I've always wanted to see the movie.
Fun Fact : The Ship was named after Grigory Potemkin, Ekaterin's righthandman during her rule of Russia.
Ekaterina being the Russian name for the Empress known in English as Catherine the Great.
Great post thanks
Its almost as if someone were writing the story of a socialist mutiny as a noir comedy. If you have seen "Gangs of New York" & wondered why the US Navy bombarded New York City, it didn't. That was Scorcese's tribute to the movie "BattleShip Potemkin".
I find the comment about rate-of-fire interesting. If a combat ship has improved fire rate over their opponent, they essentialy have more guns. I heard somewhere that Bismarcks rof was half again faster than Hood, practically speaking, 12 guns to eight.
Splendid!
Could you make a video on the shipyards of Nikolaev on the Bug River?
This reminds me of Dostoevsky's The Idiot. The main character references Potemkin frequently. The person of course, not the ship, unrelated but the name brings me back to 10th grade status: Grounded. 😂
A fascinating video.
from watching these sorts of videos I have come away with the knowledge that, once you have a ship design set; YOU DON'T CHANGE THE DAMN THING IF YOU WANT IT MADE QUICKLY.
I honestly had to do a double-take and hit my back button after choosing a different video before this one to see the name. At first I thought it said IRN Pokemon...
Q&A I always hear about submerged torpedo tubes but never get any details or photos.
Ever seen the front of a submarine?
KILLED OVER A BOWL OF SOUP
I wonder how this ship battery worked since the bow turrent was higher than the rear turrent.
Alfedo Sierra I imagine the answer is the same as that for the Dreadnought battleships with their superfiring guns.
I actually have a model of the Potemkin. Compared to the the other ship models in the same scale it is tiny!
Id say each gun on each "level" aka the guns on the raised bow would be fired and aimed seperately from lower guns. However Id say the differebt in height was negligible.
Glad I didn’t have to pronounce those names.
"la corazzata Potemkin è una cacata pazzesca" (the battleship Potemkin it's massive ammount of crap) the pinnacle of italian commedy
Q & A why does the ? slide have a black dot on the left side
It's really annoying.
QA: How would the Russian Imperial Navy do Against the US Navy in the 1910s?
Jorge Warcrimes Badly. The US had one of the world’s great fleets by 1910, the Russians have always had trouble at sea and it was especially bad then
@@slimdiddyd ok. Do you have any knowledge of their power projection capabilities over sea in the 1910s?
@@slimdiddyd how do Russian Cruisers compare to their American counterparts,?
The Russian Imperial Navy was such a hot mess in the 1910s.
@@ironstarofmordian7098 none. They had badly made ships, woefully undertrained consprict sailors, many of which didn't see the sea before being drafted and very bad officers. Just look at the voyage of the 2nd Pacific squadron to Cushima.
Had to look twice when I saw all the boats and their davits scattered about the ship. How the hell would you fire the guns with all that crap in the way?
Another interesting thing about the movie "Ironclad Potemkin" - cruiser Aurora in Petersburg was refitted to play the "part" of the ironclad, and of course the movie has nothing similar with the real history.
how about the Connecticuts?
If Fantozzi had only seen the Drachinifel's version, he would have saved himself a lot of troubles...
Although the leaders of the mutiny were socialists, they weren't Bolsheviks.
Same shit different names just a bunch of uppity serfs that didn't know their place
Indeed--the distinction between the various flavors of socialism and the State Communism that evolved in the Soviet Union is a distinction lost on a huge number of people.
Drachinifel, I know it's not your specialty and I certainly don't blame you for avoiding the political as much as you can on a warship channel, but thank you nonetheless for taking the brief digression to point out the distinction!
First of all, Bolsheviks are socialists, and secondly, in the revolution of 1905 the bolsheviks weren't that big of a deal yet, only splitting from the social democrats in 1903. Drach even says in the video that the organisation that organised the sailors was called the "Central Committee of the Social Democratic Organisation of the Black Sea Fleet", notice the social democratic in the name.
What is it with Black Seas Fleet sailors and torpedo boats? XD
Their trademark B-movie villain quirk
Where is the potemkin buster
Czar Nicolas it is said to be the person who gave her new name
It's a shame that wargaming hadnt released this ship in wows
"...É UNA CAGATA PAZZESCA!"
Cit.
Me: expecting the mutiny is because of opposition to the government because of the movie.
The real reason for the mutiny: rotten borch soup.
O L E G
Her movie counterpart fared so much better
I knew they utilized cement on tanks in some cases, but ships? Both seem like a waste. Cool looking ship though!
It's a process of treating the steel armor, not what you think.
"Cemented" armour just means it was face-hardened steel rather than homogenous. Drach actually did a whole video on types of armour which covers this rather well.
Russian history is incredibly fascinating. The only drawback are all the Russian words and names.
That's peanuts compared to Polish names ;)
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I think the names are also fascinating.
My grandfather was cabing boy
Her rename loosely translate to Ugly or Dirty Peasant
I love Drach's content but the pronunciation of the ship's names made my ears bleed a little bit 🤣
For some reason I saw battleship pokemon at first.....
"Borets za svobodu" = "Freedom fighter"
Or infamous
The most problematic asset of the Russian Navy next to the Red October.
Kamchatka: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!!!
The Americans helped the Japanese in the battle of tsushima . 1905 the failed communist giuda revolution against Cristian Russia.
Good lol. Monarchs are cringe
Why do you employ robots to do the narration when there are very many humans with good voices who could a vastly better job? The machines often clipped off the end of sentences and fatally mispronounce many words. Also, what's with the question mark signs and the buffoonish gold-toned heads that keep popping up during the presentation?
You obviously put a great deal of work into this project and I hate to see it compromised by the items I've mentioned.
I suppose it's the for the best that the Potemkin never engaged the ex-Goeben, I can't imagine that ending well for her.
Least based russian battleship crew
When every decision made requires 1 litre of vodka.
I think you got it a bit wrong in the end, it doesn't really make sense to differentiate between communists and socialists as the two terms are generally synonymous it would have been more accurate to point out that the October revolution was Bolsheviek which was a specific communist party in Russia at the time which ended up taking the lead.
hedgehog3180 - The Russian Socialist (SR) party was a separate entity. At one point Socialists and Communists were actually fighting each other.
@@andrewemery4272 yeah,even back then the communists created the song lyric that mocked the SR right?
The terms are absolutely not synonymous.
IRN SHIPNAMES - 7; Drachinifel - 0. Maybe stick with translations? (Holy Trinity really kicked butt) ;)
Could do, I like to at least try the actual ship names if I can.
Understandable. Great channel.
@@Drachinifel These names are not so bad if you break them down, e.g. Potemkin=Pot-ham-kin, Tri Svyat-i-tell ya, Pon-telej-mon, Imperah-tri-tsa Mariah
I thought that Russians had only Potemkin villages and not Potemkin battleships o.O
This was the era of the ugliest warships ever built.
Ugly, but kind of cool in a steampunk way. 1930s and later battleships and cruisers definitely have much more graceful lines.
on the contrary, the era of the pre-Dreadnoughts is the most interesting ships.
cheers for distinguishing between socialist and communist
Обманутые моряки, которые хотели усидеть на двух стульях (в революции поучаствовать, и чтобы при этом не сыграть в ящик) заслуживают жалости да понимания. А броненосец был устаревшим, впрочем чтобы с соседями воевать таких тогда хватало, ибо в Ютландском сражении Россиия не собиралась участвовать.
Volodimir M а в чем их обманули? Царская россия была страной дворян, а в 195 году крестьяне платили выкупные платежи за освобождение в 1861 году и конца этому было не видно, в стране не было парламена, а женщины не имели грпжданских прав ну и так далее? Почему бы было и не восстать? Они всё прекрасно понимали!
Один корабль не может противостоять эскадре, а что морячкам навешали на уши (насчёт самого мощного корабля во флоте) несложно догадаться. И вообще революция 1905 года с крестным ходом к царю была нормальной ?!
It was also said that Potemkin's crew saw worms but is was normal spaghetti. Uneducated peasants in czarist russia had never seen such thing like spaghetti, so started riots, officers tried to calm the with gun fire, and you know the rest. Another rumour says that it was the ukrainian yellow-blue flag instead of the red one, so it was never the socialist riot but rather national ukrainian uprising.
You don't put spaghetti in Borche
You'd have to be a specific kind of stupid to think any human is incapable of mistaking noodles for maggots
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck Human no, a russian yes
The Russian Navy: so incompetent they can't even sink their own ship lol
Illiterate ignoramus! The squadron was actually in a state of rebellion. The sailors refused to shoot Potemkin
@@mrOL100 it was a joke smart guy oh, and if you knew your history you would know that the Russian Navy has a long and well-established history of gross incompetence.
Quit the emojis and question marks.. they're unbecoming and hurt the eyes
that is a horrible looking ship.
We’d have a lot in common, since I too never want anything to do with Communism.
sigh, could have at least pronounced it properly. Po-tyom-kin
"...É UNA CAGATA PAZZESCA!"
Cit.