Arrowhead Just Attempted To Kill Off Solo and Duo Play in Helldivers 2... But Why?
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Can we focus on adding things rather than taking away?
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@Cool_Hand_Luchs
• Patch 1.000.300 Patrol...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:26 What "Publicly" Happened?
2:02 Behind The Curtain Patrol Changes
5:30 Misleading Numbers
7:49 Who Is This Change for?
8:28 Encouraging Meta
9:33 Mismanaged Balance
11:02 Why Do This?
12:08 Conclusion
#helldivers #helldivers2 #helldiver - Ігри
thank you @swanqlord3048 from bringing this to my attention.
lets stop taking away things from players, it makes no sense.. no ones competing, everyone's just having fun
Here's to hoping its a bug
P.S.: Patrols on difficulty 6 nowadays spawn FASTER than it previously did on HELLDIVE difficulty
to give a better idea of how steep the change was
Difficulty 5 now is just slightly slower than what helldive used to be (for solo players)
p.s.2: gameplay videos back up after this video, i just wanna go back to shooting sh**
Why is the assumption that this was done on purpose? The patch notes indicate that the new patrol timers are a mistake and the intent is that the timers should scale with number of players. If anything it being a mistake makes more sense given Arrowhead's goofs in the past.
That's what I believe the issue is with the balancing. They're balancing like this is a competitive pvp shooter
I KNEW diff 6 was broken. A few times the spawn rate (bug breaches) of bugs completelly overwhelmed us. Once the team starts dying, you're just reinforcing into a meat grinder.
People are weird and butthurt over nothing. They can't just let a good thing be good. It's been like this since launch. They will always cry and bitch.@@Awesomesauce35
you're one of the hardcore solo players I've seen in HD2 though it got me curious, have you played HD1 in Difficulty 15 "Inner Circle of hell"? because as what I can see with the spawn rate for the scouts it's somewhat in the right range for Difficulty 9 in HD1, the only problem I can see is we lack the equipment to deal with such enemies is my issue here, hoping the modular system that AH is planning to add in HD2 fixes this concern because in HD1 once you have a fully upgraded primary it does make a whole lot of difference with its performance🤔
Frankly, it's silly that destroying bug holes and fabricators increases enemy spawn rate.
You would think the incentive should be to take them out in order to reduce the pressure on you.
To be honest. it wasnt until this video that i found out thats how it works. Makes absolutely no sense.
Bizarre
It's been a retarded metric since forever. You do anything on the map and the entire match gets harder. Destroying fabricators should drop difficulty. Or at least reduce random spawn rates. You're literally destroying their ability to produce units. Call in reinforcements from around the planet all you want, but stop spawning enemies out of thin air like a biznatch.
Destroying all outposts forces them to spawn at the edge of the map tho so value
Wait...I thought clearing those made it less. Guess I'm not clearing shit anymore. What's the point?
Finding out the main balancer is the same dude who fucked up the Hello Neighbor games really opened my eyes regarding this game. I now understand why the weapons are randomly balanced why the missions were poorly balanced, and why there seems to be some variety of "how could they do this" crisis with every update. ArrowHead NEEDS to fire this idiot, he's poison to whatever his incompetence touches and he has the history to prove it.
The balance when I first got the game was near on perfect. Now it is a nightmare all the time.
im starting to think its a poison pill hire and his resume was exactly what they wanted.
They need to fire his ass, dude failed for a reason
what if they fire him and then they hire someone with an even worse track record lol
@@alexanderbohm607wtf dude
Bold of Arrowhead to assume that me and THREE of my other friends with jobs and responsibilities can consistently get on this game together. The best I can manage is two friends and a random.
I'm a level 105 and have been playing exclusively with randoms since day 1. Helldive difficulty exclusively for over a month
@@Kira-qc4qiok?
You guys have friends?
You have friends that play this game? I wish I did. I just play with randos and boy is it a crap shootm
Most of the time i solo or with two friends...playing solo is still doable but the balancing doesn't make sense
It feels a lot like the classic ‘balance Dev gets butthurt you’re not playing as intended so now they are going to punish you until you behave.’
Compare that to players "We got a patch now my favorite weapons are trash and will never be good again because we're only ever going to get this one balance patch for all of existence" and its not really any better. Or what about "The devs made one little change to the game and thats not allowed because its my game and they can't make it what they want it to be" thats so much better right?
Alexis Kravchenko is such a shit dev
@@Damaged7 best thing is that if you complain about something every body get hurt and start ranting you since you are the problem
And then they lied about the nerf because they knew people would be angry. The real reason is that they want to force players together to encourage more microtransaction sales.
@@nidungr3496 tbh they should just fix bug and not random things like spawn rates
Bile Titans spawn faster than you could charge your Quasar Cannon lol
And they still walk with the silence of a veteran ninja lol
Yeah, we were playing the other day and had 4 spawn in...on a level 7. Wtaf. This wasn't helldive, this was 7! Supposed to be manageable but challenging.
@@supermodestmouse Yerrmmmm just use ure stratagems - alexus (probably)
Yeah... this is why I don't believe the QA team plays on the higher end difficulties. The QC is mid if EVERYONE has it where as before it was functional even if only ONE person had it. You could use it for more than just trying to delete a heavy target... which it now can apparently only do once every 20 seconds or so at best? Seems broken alright.... now make sure to deal with the other 3 heavy targets before the next wave shows up in 4 seconds (because you spent most of that cooldown time charging up the blast)
No lie detected
Part of the game used to involve avoiding enemies, but now it feels like there's a patrol around every corner.
And phantom spawns. I LITERALLY had a group of hunters materialize in front of me as I was running to extraction. What was the point if that? There's no skill issue on that - it's just bad cheese.
And if there isn’t 40 enemies spawn around a corner just to be annoying last match I played had to have hundreds of robots and like 5 hulks and it was on level 5
Yep, now if you get in trouble it's impossible to get away to get breathing room to call in ammo. You just run until you eventually die, then it drops you directly back on the exact same location.... to die again 😊
i dont even consider them patrols any more, the groups go STRAIGHT to you. before you might here a patrol in the distance and avoid. now you see you have enemies converging on you in all directions.
Here's your ghost spawns and your nerfed shit weapons. enjoy
It's actually frustrating that they're not focusing on fixing the glitches and bugs. Just last night my squad ran into an issue where we couldn't get into the pelican. Full clear with all the samples and survived extract just for the pelican to land and we couldn't get in. That's 40 minutes of my life that i can't get back and have nothing to show for it. I stopped playing last night because of that and i'm not sure i want to come back anytime in the foreseeable future because of it.
One of the things that i like to do is be the one solo player on the other side of the map looking for samples and mopping up poi's. ESPECIALLY if there is a radar station that reveals all the poi locations. That is my favorite way to play the game. I still play with 4 people, it's just more efficient to split up.
Arrowhead really needs to clean house. Whoever is responsible for stabbing this game to death with these patches needs to be fired. The game needs to be reverted back to release day balancing. And their insane vendetta against the players that don't play EXACTLY the way that they want you to play needs to stop.
Is the balance team and the bug/glitch fixing team the same teams? genuine question here
@@fourthknower9831 don't know. But everyone agrees that the balance team is ruining the game.
And imo the glitch/bug fixing team isn't doing enough.
@@fourthknower9831 There are like only 100 employees in AH but not all of them are developers. I saw a post in reddit that confirms that AH does not have enough people to make a dedicated team in one system like balance, content, bugs. and more. If they want to prioritize bug fixing, new content or balance they would need to pull some people like from different position to help them out but would result for something to slow down like only few people would be working on new content or balance if they focus on bug fixing at that time.
Alexus is the main balance dev. He is a hire from the (arguably) failed hello neighbor and hello neighbor 2. In his previous job he removes fan favorite features for the sequel as well as removing marketed features that people where looking forward to. He is the main problem. No ifs ands or buts, he needs to go.
This game had done what no game has done before. They came out swinging with a super fun game FIRST. THEN, with each patch they took OUT the FUN one at a time until it became the biggest disappointing frustrating blue ball experience ever. Its like they decided to do what all the other studios do these days, but reverse! Like usually the notorious studios will hype the game up to shit and come out with dirt. But this studio came out with a banger, then they somehow keep making it worse and taking Ls one by one, like each patch is so unbelievably disconnected from their massive audience. What a wild studio. What’s so irritating is its like the biggest tease, it’s like here is FUN! Now heres a little less…And now heres a little less…And now here’s a little less…And n-ETC. Anyways congratulations to Arrowhead on finding a new path to the fire dumpster where all studios seemingly eventually end up these days. Sigh, so sad.
i can think of one other game like this: Hello Neighbor, which coincidentally had the same balancing manager as this game does
I'm the author of the Patrol Analyses and Luchs is a close friend of mine. We're glad to see this getting some attention from the bigger channels and really appreciate the shout out.
Hopefully Arrowhead will at least address this change and confirm/deny whether this is even their intended result.
We love the game but think AH is making a lot of unforced errors and hope they can get on a better track.
You are doing Liberty's work
Thank you and your friends for their hard work. Your work is awesome!
Thanks for your work!
appreciate the research brother, researches like the ones you fellas did doesn't get as much love as it deserves.
your hard work is truly appreciated
Unforced errors really explains it. I really think think they are making too many changes too quickly. Need some more foresight
When I first started playing this game, I could wear scout armor and sneak past patrols if I wanted to. Now it seems like they aren't patrols anymore, they know your exact location and come straight to you.
Yeah I noticed this too
You can still stealth.
Absolutely possible.
Yeah it was a minor problem before. Now they just know where you are and its a matter of time until they find you to call in help. Stealth mechanics are destroyed.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 I know you still can vs bots but against the bugs it doesn't feel like it, could be a skill issue on my part but that's just been my experience lately.
tf are you yapping about i main heavy armor and bugs don’t aggro even after having a staredown with the patrols from like 20 meters away
It should be the other way around
4 player more enemies
1 player less enemies
Remember that Alexus killed Hello Neighbor 2 by making it challenging, and himself didn't try the game after his "Touch Up".
Same goes as Helldiver 2, he never tried to SOLO Helldive difficulty and his answer to community question was "Skill Issue" or "Get good". I think he do this just to be petty for his HN2 failure.
We should make a petition to change Alexus from the balancing team.
Let’s be real AH got lucky and released a very fun game initially. That game was what gave them popularity and prestige. However it was all on accident. You know how I know because after the very first patch it has lost fun.
Also every time they make a change they always follow it with an explanation of how this is how they originally wanted it to work. Let’s face it AH caught lightning in a bottle by accident and instead of going the fun route what players want they are going to kill their game to make the game into their vision. Just watch.
The day they understand it's not a competetive game will be a great day for this community.
Idk I feel pretty competitive when I peel off from the squad and start bombing factories or bug holes lmao
The day that happens the game is probably dead already
@@drew1921 How?
The day they fire alexus will be a great day
Yeah they stupid, you smart. Yep. They made this game, not you. Do you have the mental faculty to understand that ? You try to offend those who created what you like. Do you even like the game ?
It's kind of incredible how Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved games, to one of the most frustrating in such a short span of time. That Alexus guy is single-handedly trying to destroy the game.
I wouldnt say singlehanded, some awful CM's and snoy defo deserve some blame
@@Llama_charmer I beg to differ. Alexus has a literal track record of messing up a previous game and then leaving before it was released. He doesn't listen to community feedback from players. His design philosophy is "too many players are enjoying this weapon, so let's nerf it into the ground."
@@Jumbuck1151 Im not denying hes screwed it up, im just saying balance isnt the only reason people are turning away
that's exactly how it feels to me, It was so much fun and now every game is just so frustrating. I think I'm out tbh.
Why haven’t they fired him?
The whole design philosophy around the destruction of bug holes and bot factories somehow attributing to more enemies makes no sense and is frankly stupid. What is the point of the mission if doing the main and secondary objectives as well as sealing bug holes and bot factories just contributes more enemies? I think people would be less upset about this change if completing tasks and destroying the enemy's assembly points brought the level of patrols and enemies down, it would give people an even bigger incentive to do everything. But it's the direct opposite.
My girlfriend and I have stopped playing this because it seems the "balancing" maniac behind all of this is hellbent (no pun intended), on making everything unfun. We used to spend a couple hours after work together every day playing this duo, but now it feels like more work to play it than any actual fun with all the "balancing" changes of weapons and then having this piled on top. Like Christ, it's a PVE game, there is absolutely no need to make every weapon and aspect of the game unfun and bland. But I guess it's of no surprise, after doing a bit more research into the balancing team, I've found that Alexus Kravchenko, the man who is single handedly the one who destroyed Hello Neighbour 2, is the one balancing this game. The dude needs to be removed from the game altogether, otherwise there is a chance HD2 will share the same fate as Hell Neighbour 2.
I tried to find out the statistics about online of Hello Neighbour (both 1 and 2), And it seems like it wasn't popular since the beginning 1500 gamers is the max for the first game and 700 for the Second part. Why so many people speak about that?
Im a Deep rock galactic player ,not a Helldivers 2 one, so pardon me If I’m missing something, but If the devs want the action to increase over the course of the match, why don‘t they just increase the amount of bugs that spawn at the next bug breach every time you take one out?
The enemies know that you’re targeting the bug breaches after you destroy the first one and thus station more guards at the next one. and The more breaches you take out, the less they have to spread out their troops; meaning that they can pool them around the remaining bug breach.
Those bug breaches are the main way of reinforcement for them, yes? Defending them with the remaining arsenal left you have makes much more narrative and gameplay sense then thinning out your troops even further after you’ve already been attacked by sending everyone on patrol.
For example, in Deep Rock Galactic, there are these things that spawn as a mission modifier called Lithopage meteorites.
These will stun you and continually send bugs and special enemies your way until you remove them, and they‘re one of the main mission objectives. Cleaning these spots will spawn a big wave of enemies that you have to take down, but once they‘re sealed, those special enemies will be gone from the mission entirely, making the big waves of enemies that spawn normally easier.
Another thing I could compare the bug breaches to would be the egg collection missions.
In these, a set amount of alien eggs spawn in the walls that you have to collect to complete the objective. Every time you dig one out, either a small or large swarm gets spawned. Taking them means furthering the mission, but the more eggs you collect, the more likely you are to activate a large swarm. On the plus side, large swarms don’t spawn on this mission type otherwise, so you can plan around when you’ll choose to fight the bugs.
In both of these examples, taking down the bug breach similar objectives furthers your goal: taking down the meteorites lessens the difficulty other swarms will have later in the mission. Digging out alien eggs will come with a known danger, but further your quota progress.
The way the bug breaches work now sounds to me like if you cleaned out a Lithopage meteorite, but instead of that lessening the danger you will have to face when the next swarm comes, all the Lithopage bugs just get added to the swarm pool for the rest of the mission. Why would I take down the meteorites then? (Other than the fact that it’s mandatory.) Better to have the bugs in one spot where you know they will pose a danger if approached, than to increase the swarm size for the entire mission. It just sounds unintuitive?
Of course, this difference in experience could also be because DRGs devs are pretty generous about balancing. The last time the community got upset about weapon balancing was, ironically, the railgun, because a modification lost a lot of its crowd clear potential.
Point being, I feel like there are a lot of ways you could approach this kind of objective while also making progress feel rewarding. What do you think?
Arrowhead: "If you hate the problems we create, wait until you see our solutions."
I do not understand how destroying outposts and bug nests increases the patrol rate. You'd think it'd be the opposite, considering we're destroying their ways of easily reinforcing the area. There's no point in destroying the nests and outposts aside from the xp, req slips, and the funny little stars at the end screen because of this. When you're maxed out on slips, and there's no reason to continue leveling up due to having all stratagems already unlocked, there REALLY is no point. They should make it to where going out of your way to destroy these actually helps you when completing the main objective by reducing the patrol rates.
this is how i thought it worked. because logically that makes sense. idk if im gonna play this game anymore cuz all i do is play solo 😅
And EVERYONE loves doing it, every group im in i can tell they enjoy clearing out 2-3 of the big ones so idk why we're getting punished for it
I believe I remember someone from Arrowhead saying the idea is that you've pissed the enemies off from destroying their infrastructure and now they're more alerted to you.
@@TheLizardKing752 I get that sentiment, but it still isn’t logical that destroying most of their sources of troops/bugs in the area makes them come in THAT much faster. If it’s that easy for them to saturate the zone with forces WITHOUT their structures supporting the growth in numbers, what’s the point in destroying any of them?
@@Headlock123456789 I mean I get it-- Heat is from outside the zone; the fabs aren't the ones building the tanks, hulks, ATSTs, or Devs; they're basically small troop barracks and light infrastructure.
I think it makes sense that the more chaos you make in their infrastructure the more opposition you face as the mission gets longer and ground reinforcement has longer to reach your position from a logistics standpoint
I wonder if this is because of Alexus Kravchenko's infamous balacing fails again.
I mean pretty much mate they are the "balancing team" so explains a lot why we kept getting nerf specially the good or supposed "strong weapons".
Definitely a major factor. He's also rude, arrogant, and mocks people in discord when they express their frustration.
I love the game but tbh Arrowhead seems to employ alot of immature people who don't know how to speak with the public. It's beginning to become a problem.
@@millerkavanagh7915 Average Russian "human" right here ffs
He and his team should be fired.
@@moustachio05Z!!! Z!!! Z!!!
I have passed the comment before that the game should NOT be linear difficulty as the more players there is, the more niches can be filed and, in the context of coop, 1+1=/=2. A solo peron can only be in one place, cover one angle and has to carry a generalist build to be abble the deal with all threats. In my opinion, having been a team player in almost every game (the medic, the support gunner, etc...) a team of two can do the work of three, a team of three can do the work of five and a team of four can do the work of seven. For each player interaction added, it is usually worth the power of an aditionnal person. This would be a good balance imo.
I thought it was super interesting to note that, like you mentioned, harder solo does make that content more of a badge of honor, or something that makes your videos stand out as the achievement requires a ton of skill and practice. And after stumbling on your videos, it was your suggestions and methods that encouraged me to try solo helldive difficulty and it was fun (pre patch of course). It was super challenging and honestly I lost at least half the time, but being able to succeed at all and note how implementing your strategies and being more methodical allowed me to do so meant it was possible and I had room for growth.
Since the patch, I had to drop to 8 and then 7 and then 6 difficulty because I do absolutely get caught in infinite patrol spawns. I just can't keep up and I see the clock counting down before I even manage to get one objective done let alone the full match.
The fact that when you split off from your group means there are multiple patrols spawning on each of you makes so much sense now in hindsight, because when playing duos with my friend he was getting his ass kicked because we were both dealing with a horrifying number of enemies separately, something we didn't see before if I ran off on my own to do a quick side objective.
All in all thanks for vocalizing your feelings because it's validating to me as someone who knew something felt off but didn't have the data or research to prove it.
I'm so confused. They had a licence to print money. The game was fine, I don't know which vindictive person is pushing these balances.
Example - back when the distance of the arc thrower got reduced, it received increased stagger. Take something, give something. As of the last patch, or the one before, it does no longer stun hulks, guess how I found THAT one out last night. It means that my strategy of stepping in to protect my team in case the big bots get too close is no longer viable.
Also, YES, I AM STILL SALTY it no longer opens container doors 😂
Every balance since then has always had a sour taste to it. Like one or two useful things, and then a whole bunch of negatives.
It's just getting less and less fun.
That “person” is likely Alexus, “Bringer of Balance” killer of Hello Neighbor 2. I want everyone to know and curse that man until he finally stops being a terrible balance lead.
Bro you're perfectly justified in being upset about the changes. I'm incredibly disappointed and I've actually started playing other games in response.
Completely agree. I don't understand the logic here. They're pushing people to use the "meta" because they've made so many weapons basically useless.
Their balancing team and QA team are finishing with Sony started. My crew that we played with every day just got too frustrated and everybody left and moved on and I unfortunately am having to do the same thing. I should be able to solo if I want and not be murdered for it. Again this is like destiny to me if you don't have a group and a clan you're fucked for endgame
I've been using other weapons now, its actually quite refreshing to play more unique styles. I've been doing the juggernaut build with heavy machine gun, the new concussive submachine gun, and riot shield. In heavy armor. Stun grenade + machine gun into eye = dead hulk. But I think the sniper might be more useful than the heavy machine gun
Someone get Alexus away from HD2 before he destroys it like hello neighbor 2
Yeah, he is nerfing guns before release, chrarging plasma rifle from Polar warbond was shown to us as one-shot to striders, and on release strider getting laughed at it's shots, you can shoot all clip and strider not even budge.
and i thought spitz was bad. Alexus is a demon
@@Deviator87 "S-Tier all weapons" how could he actually say that?
@@Deviator87🤦🏼♂️
1,000,000,000 percent!
In all games I've played over the years this is the first time a solo player faces more difficulty than a 4 man team
I was waiting to hear your take on this. Great video and really appreciate you bringing this to a larger audience. Let’s hope to see some changes.
As much as this is a coop game first and foremost, personally, I’m here for the solo experience only.
I just don’t understand why they keep doing obviously stupid balance decisions. It’s so frustrating.
My friends have all stopped playing and I play once a week….but this game could be so much better
The balancing lead dev at Arrowhead is the guy that spiked Helli Neighbour 2 head first into the ground, laughed at everyone who bought it and quit the company.
This. it is getting quite tiring seeing fun stuff get nerf.
Thats because a nerfing philosophy in games encourages microtransaction economy. Its an indirect way rather than explicitly increasing MT prices
@@xreed8 thing is the new warbond is terrible it’s not even worth getting. And they basically committed a crime with the way they released and then nerfed the democratic detonation warbond. People (might have) paid for something and then had that thing taken away from them.
If they wanted to encourage MtX they’d make everything OP imo
@@Boamere This. It legit feels close to FOMO at this point its fucking crazy.
i was in a 4 man randoms and was on the 3rd mission when 2 of the members left. and then 3 factory striders were dropped on our heads at the extraction lol
I played on difficulty 8 with 3 randoms. All of them left. The spawn rate didn't change a bit. I swear to god. It was completely impossible to finish that round. There spawned like 5 bile titans an once and about 6 chargers chased me around the whole map. Ridiculous...
This is incredibly stupid
@@YaBoiFetzit should be called rundivers now with how much running we gotta do now. They nerf guns buff spawn rates and buff enemies. wtf are they doing lol
@@tonyoso1391 they seem to have the worst balancing team in the industry
they didn't leave. the game disconnects you sometimes. or crashes.
I agree with everything that is said in that video and kudos for the tone you used to pass on your arguments. I've seen many channels (not necessarily HD2 related) where its just mostly negative stuff day after day (as if they live from the negativity) but you clearly want to hang on the positive despite this. Really respect you and love your channel for it.
In my case, I play solo. I am mostly an introvert and playing with randoms kinda "scare" me. It would only take a few matches with trolls that it would put me off the game entirely... I did buy HD2 knowing it was a coop game but saw enough ppl playing solo that I thought it was viable and it indeed was and I was having lots of fun with it. I went as high as level6, was thinking of trying 7 but then I am down to 4 and made it by the skin of my teeth. I was doing a SEAF artillery and I was getting endlessly swarmed it was crazy, could barely load a round that I had another patrol at me and oh god the extract after clearing the map, it wasn't fun anymore. It went from "holy sh1t a charger! Its getting intense!" to "Damn a charger and ahh c'mon another behind it, and I see a 3rd one moving towards the area and I got a ton of hunters on me and one just called its friends, gimme a break..." So I shelved the game for now, will wait a bit until this gets more under control.
Let me have fun while solo. Let those in groups of 4 also have fun. You don't need to push me into groups, it's more stressful for me. I play because I love splatting bugs all over, blowing bots and just owning and kicking a$$. It's nice to have pressure too and keep the fighting tense, but when you can't breath between fights and just be defensive all the time, it gets much less enjoyable.
Your last video with what, 17 bile titans.... Don't need to say more. (ok it was level9 but when you need to spawn the boss 17 times.... something is not right).
Totally agree. I have social anxiety as well, bought the game knowing it’s a coop game, but was having fun playing solo. Now I rarely play simply because the game isn’t fun for me anymore, not much to say here.
This change absolutely needs to be reverted. I used to be able to play duo with a friend on helldive difficulty (because we NEVER get randoms joining on that high). Now if we play duo, we have to give up on the idea of extraction and beeline the main objective for a CHANCE to complete it before the 14 chargers and 70000000 hunters take us down in rapid succession.
It would have been less problematic if you could consistently get 4 person groups with the matchmaking, but you dont. If you want to play higher difficulties, you are almost always restricted to your friend group who is free that night.
FYI: "Luchs" is German for "Lynx" and it is pronounced like the English word "looks".
Today I learned.
That's cool, thx brotha
Also: Cool Hand Luke is a classic movie from 1967 starring Paul Newman. Excellent movie and highly recommend. No exaggeration, one of the best movies ever made.
@@tremas3329 ahm, okay cool bro but what's connection to my comment?
It's pronounced "Luke's"
Hence the @handle Cool_Hand_Luchs
Damn…
Luchs “Who was this change for?”
Alexus “For my ever growing ego”
Bro fr. Alexus doing his best to murder a second potentially wonderful game
They need to dump Alexus ASAP
I really appreciate you making this video for the average player. I love watching your videos because I feel like I learn something every one I watch and it's refreshing to watch someone better than me be successful at high difficulties.
I started playing the game when it first came out with 3 other friends and, as time has gone on, those friends have slowly stopped playing. I still enjoy the game, but I never had any intention of playing solo above like difficulty 5 or 6 before these changes. It's just not how I enjoy playing. But now I can barely play solo on difficulty 4, if that. I'm a pretty casual gamer now and I really enjoy Helldivers 2, but man it's just honestly an unenjoyable time anytime I load up the game recently, because I have only like one friend to play with and have no interest in playing with randoms that will potentially troll or sell aspects of a mission.
These changes are objectively not good for longevity and player retention, unless Arrowhead is keeping some information from us that's going to essentially override these changes and make the game more playable in the future for anyone playing in less than a 4 player party. I thought the game had a fair shot at being game of the year, even though we're early in 2024, but man, they've made some really questionable moves recently that can seemingly only hurt them.
I’d like to see the devs who made this change release videos of clearing 2 solo Helldive missions on each side, while using off meta builds.
Dude, THANK YOU for saying this. I agree with everything 1000% and have been saying the same things you have. It’s absolutely reductive to enjoyment when you punish the player base for not having full stacks. It really feels like the changes are so devoid of logic that it’s just purely pernicious. The devs that play the game play on diff 5-6 and get washed in 3 player groups, see someone clear a solo Helldive using a meta and rigid loadout just to survive, then make changes with trembling, closed fists to make people playing the game with smaller groups miserable and exacerbating the “meta.”
It’s really killed my enjoyment of the game because I play with a smaller group of friends, mostly only one or sometimes two at a time, and rarely keep a full stack for long. I also don’t like mixing friends with randoms in operations, because I prefer to have consistent coordination. These options are nice, and if they didn’t want it- they could disable playing with less than 4 players. Why should I be punished for what the game allows me to do for preferred play?
We don’t play the game as often as we used to anymore because running the same difficulties of 7+ is absolute misery. You never get a break in the patrols and defending extraction is not happening- your samples will not make it to Pelican 1, so it feels like a waste of time for the players that don’t need the medals or requisition. Knowing that full-clearing makes the issue worse also keeps us from doing things the game should be encouraging us to do.
Point is, we play the game much more conditionally now, and it’s annoying us. We love the game, but it’s abusive when it punishes us for not playing the way the devs want us to.
Yea the devs are garbage at playing the game
Currently lvl 7 bugs is managable even with 3 people, with full squad it is almost easy) Yesterday I managed to complete and successfully evac from lvl 7 mission with only one teammate due other dudes had constant disconnects and eventually not returned. So we done 2/3 of the 'rocket launch' missions in duo, and even managed to evac alive in emergency evac. But is was reeeeeally hard due to ridiculously small delay between spawns on 'evac' phase of the game.
my brother and i primarily duo, the most fun we've had in years. now after this change and killing off some of our favorite weps it went from "how many missions can we squeeze in tonight?" to "i'm good after this one mission". doing a level 8 bot last night with heavy devastator seed, its not that we couldnt beat the mission, its just any time we clear out an objective and start working on it we see 2 more large groups of patrols heading our way. its a slog and even our stratagems cant keep up. on top of that i now need to take a load out i don't enjoy so we can be successful. its not about dropping down to a lower diff, level 8 was a good challenge for us and we liked our load outs. Arrow head didnt agree :(.
PS. polar patriots wtf kinda premium warbond is this??
Yeah duo had that army of two fun. Now its just stress.
I feel ya. There's no excuse for the difficulty not being linear in a 1-4 player game.
Like most players I only enjoy coop with my friends, and among the 5 who own the game it's rare that schedules line up for more than 1 or 2 of us to play at a time.
Without the number of players being attached to spawn scaling finding a difficulty setting in that sweet spot has become way harder than it should be, and now the majority of our games are either too easy or too hard.
Really pathetic watching Arrowhead devs break something they already had working.
I feel that "I'm good after this one mission". Me and my friend used to play for hours at a time and it was always "Oh man look at the time I HAVE to get off, but just one more mission", now its "oh look we've been playing for an hour, lets take a break huh?" and then like don't even get back on that day most of the time. It used to feel fun to face the bots now it feels like we're getting slaughtered. Half the time we can't even extract, and sometimes we can't even get the mission done simply because every time we try to get there we are fighting multiple armies that require us to use ALL stratagems, and most or all our stims, grenades, and ammo. Now to be fair we're not exactly super amazing gamers, we're pretty average I would say, but it feels like if we are being punished for trying to play with our friends and not queue up with randoms.
Totally, 1 solo Tier 7 mission and I’m stressed and exhausted now. I’m 345 hours in and have no idea how I got there. I can’t do more than 40 minutes a night now and I’m pretty much “yeah that’s enough”. And extracting with Samples is more often a pie in the sky dream now….
@@adamcline8728 The difficulty already wasn't linear for less than four players. Outposts had the same amount of enemies, no matter how many people. Fixed spawns always had the same amount of enemies spawning. Primary objectives always take the same amount of time or numbers to complete. The only thing that solo play had going over group play was, that the map was a little easier to traverse.
This makes sense now if i wear heavy armour and cant keep up with the squad. I get overwhelmed and stuck in an infinite bug breach loop unable to move up
I enjoy getting seriously challenged and losing half of the time, but I am well aware that my kind of play can be frustrating for others, that's why I play solo. The change doesn't bother me that much but getting super samples is really tough now. I would love to see more difficulties added to the game. If the game was as challenging in a group, I would gladly suffer with strangers
Look, I'm not good at this game. So when I solo run missions, I'm on Medium difficulty. And I was averaging around 280-300 kills per mission. Now? 580-600. It DOUBLED the number of enemies for MEDIUM difficulty missions.
My brother and I duo on levels 4 to 7, and after this change the swarms of enemies have gotten insane. Even with scout armor and trying to dodge patrols, everything just gets drawn in when we have to start a fight to get an objective done. Then as we approach the extraction zone, it's already got 2 or 3 patrols walking THROUGH the landing pad, and a few more walking toward it from a distance. We haven't done a level 7 difficulty in a while now.
I hear you brother, I ranted in another comment here about the exact thing.
It's like Arrowhead is doing everything possible to get me to stop playing the game. 🤦♂️
It’s planned.
Either people are fiddling constantly to justify a paycheck or they are planning a quick death to get the servers shutdown early so they can maximize profit.
I really enjoy your content, keep it up. I feel like the problem isnt only the patrol rate, but the amount of bugs that spawn each breach (same on bots), from looking at your gameplay and the few times I had to complete missions solo due to disconnect bug, the amount of enemies spawned hardly differs from solo to 4 man (usually around 60-100 bugs either way) only heavies being a bit lower rate at best. (though OhDough in recent video getting 2 Factory Striders in a sinlge drop as solo player...). With how aoe, ammo and CDs work, its much easier as a group to clear a breach, even with 1-2 more titans and some extra chargers. This was kinda compensated by the lower patrol rate so giving the solo player more time to clear the potential breach, before the next patrol moves on in with the rest calling the next breach the moment the current is over. Even the old rates hit the spot just fine, being a harder experience than 3-4 man squads by a lot, I dont think the people behind the change ever played helldive solo, because if they did they would know it was already the hardest you could play the game at, nearly impossible to do a full clear. I hope they reverse this change.
Thank you for making this video. I feel this hasn't been covered nearly enough, and you bring up all the right points.
Ahhhhhh. The very genuine and supportive “get gud” comments. Love that some of us are stuck in 2010s CoD chat.
Yeah they need to do that garbage somewhere else where someone actually gives a crap about their opinion
Git gud(this is a joke i just like saying it)
Or the infamous “skill issue” comments 🙄
@@SEAF_Sniper personally i find it more awkward then difficult but im not the guy ypu were talking to.
It genuinely is just a "get gud" situation though. Nothing changed except for the amount of enemies.
“You guys like this game well let me fix that” balance guy probably
-Alexus most likely
Hey Takibo, I want to thank you for your inspiring videos to solo play. I can easily pull 1k+ kills per mission now. My record so far is 1164 kills per mission but I average barely above 1k. In total so far, I managed hit over 221k in kills since launch. The new spawn rate definitely made it feel like its starship trooper vibes, bugs and bots coming out of nowhere from every direction, every 10-12 seconds. Scary but cool at the same time!
Being split up is really really strong, most of the time when I'm playing with friends on 9 we spread across the map.
Example: 1 person to launch codes, 1 person to generator, 1 person to fuel, one person clearing side objectives and nests near the missile. Everyone does the stuff near them and you get done in around 15 minutes with 5 stars 😂
So getting consistently overrun by Terminids at extraction even on Suicide mission, where my squad of 3 was fine before wasn't just us somehow sucking more all of a sudden.
A patrol every 10 seconds, or even 12 or even 20 is complete and utter insanity, difficulty be damned.
It contradics their stated intention that primaries are not supposed to be able to deal with heavy enemies if they spawn 10 times as fast as the strategems we are "supposed" to use to deal with them come off cooldown.
Perfectly stated. That and it’s just more fun to shoot guns that are effective, vs just chucking a ‘magic spell’ and letting the games engine/ai do the heavy lifting. Big explosions are fun but we need kickass guns too.
Exactly, cool down is far too slow to keep up! and at extraction all the stratagems are going to team kill as it turns into chaos.
just ignore the 4 negative stratagem modifiers and use your stratagems
Their recent updates pushed me to do the unthinkable. I actually fired up assassins creed origins instead of this game to have fun on a Friday evening.
I used to spend a few hours a night on HD2 but between the solo changes, the crashes, still getting kicked for just existing on the map, I've loaded up State of Decay 2 and have been spending time on that instead, oh and gunpla, I've gotten back in to gunpla.
Thank you HD2 for helping me rediscover the joys of building gundams, something i stopped doing about a decade ago because I got way more in to games.
it has become 100% thinkable bro don't worry, i actually fired up minecraft personally.
I’ve been replaying Skyrim lol
Yup started playing Hedes myself. If I want a colonoscopy I will go to the doctor not my gaming rig.
these comments are peak commedy
The guys in charge of ‘balancing’ is killing this game
Thanks, Takibo. You’re a legend, man.
Great video hopefully the devs will notice it
Sad this is happening!
I stopped playing two weeks ago after over 200hrs. Got tired of them pointless nerfing and changing the fun stuff for me.
Same I was over 300 hrs in 😢
yeah the gane was a lot of fun, but the patch killed it for me (solo player).
Games just too hard, yea Maybe it's a skill issue, but I'm a regular dude trying to get super samples on 7 and 8 and I can't do it. It's just too hard for me now. Thank you Arrowhead, the game I was most excited for this year told me to fuck myself and push me away.
Thank alexus the clown. Dude destroyed hello neighbor and now here comes hd2
@quangthuyoan9576 what's the relation between them, I'm seeing that a lot but I'm not sure I understand
This is exactly how I feel about even level 7 difficulty. Before, I could MAYBE get out with my super samples and barely complete the primary objectives with 0-1 respawn available. It was VERY difficult, and I was probably level 40 with excellent accuracy and map awareness/resource management.
Now? I don't bother, because it's just me fighting patrols and bug breeches for 15 minutes at a time, dying, losing my support weapon/pack, running away while continuing to have an option to kill 7-12 mobs with an airstrike every 2 minutes.
I can't think of a better way to spend my free time. 😎👍
Stop playing higher difficulties on solo. Its a team game, squad up or drop in with randoms. I'm over 200 hours in and only play with randoms and have everything unlocked and purchased with tons of samples stockpiled for when they release something new. Less than 1% of my plays have I had problems with randoms.
@@everybodyhatesgresh he is now balancing your equipment bro
one of the worst game designers ever to walk this earth
Thank you for bringing it up! Now I fully understand how it changed after the patch. I used to be able to solo clear lv. 9 bugs and lv. 8 bots. I wonder what I can do now with those changes implemented. For me playing on helldive solo was already an impossible task on bots missions and and a very difficult task on bugs missions. Well I guess it is time to see how far I can push now.
Glad folks are talking about it. Extraction is an outright block party invitation since that patch for solo players.
HD2 is an extremely rare example of a game that was pretty much perfect at launch but got absolutely ruined in the months after. most weapons and stratagems got nerfed into the ground, the difficulty was steadily increased, and nowadays every second match I play ends in a crash / freeze / connection error. It's really sad because this game had so much potential. It's also somewhat fascinating from a pure development stupidity standpoint. I didn't think it was possible to create sort of a "reverse Cyberpunk 2077" cycle.
reverse cyberpunk! 🤣
This game was in no fucking way perfect at launch LOL. There was maybe a 2 or even 3 week collective, not in a row, where the game was decent and not stupid buggy and even then the overall balance of the game was STILL bad. From start to finish, this game has terrible developer support.
The reverse cyberpunk is spot on!
The balance at the first month of the game was absolutely terrible. It was nowhere near perfect or "almost perfect". There was only like 3 primary weapons you could feasibly use and antitank weapons sucked so much dick that the railgun was all we had, which then proceeded to get nerfed bcuz a significant portion of the community are braindead 5 and below difficulty players, on top of the idiot balance lead dev. For those who remember launch month, this is insane to hear someone say.
100%
"Who was this change for?" Nobody. This change was for nobody. Arrowhead's state reason was literally "we felt like it". I can't find the specific tweet, but it's literally because "we felt maps were a little empty".
People suggested it would be cool if we could have more urban environments so the maps seem less desolate and instead of doing that they decided to just populate the map with enemies. Less empty is less empty...right?
Yeah empty of new content
@@lacrossevCoruscant DLC confirmed?
@@DanielLazzara Doubt it. Devs don't listen. And they despise fun.
@@ikmalkamal5830 It isn't the devs, their balance leader has destroyed one game before with stupid 'balance' decisions.
My theory is that they want to push towards 4 player play for eventual microtransactions like weapon skins and color palettes since those are psychologically more effective with other players in front of you (with their stuff to entice you to spend) specially with the liberty-bucks or something down the line (different than super credits).
I can see both sides in this situation. From a gameplay/fun perspective it really sucks. It makes no sense. But from a LORE perspective, it makes sense. Helldivers are supposed to dive in a squad of 4 in the zones which have missions to accomplish. So a solo helldiver on a mission is not lore accurate so they make the mission harder to show a guy shouldn’t dive alone in a hostile planet. But well.. hope for proper balance.
I also want to repeat that 1 player is less than 25% as strong as 4 players, so even if the intended change had worked correctly it would not be fair exactly. Boosters stack, stratagem cooldowns can be rotated, firepower is more concentrated, you can cover more of the map, you can use some of the less powerful but interesting stratagems, enemy attention is split, and deaths decrease your firepower loss less the more players there are.
That's true except I would say deaths don't have to decrease your firepower more as a solo player.
If you don't rely on a support weapon, you don't have to run back to your last death location.
Last helldive I did: eagle cluster bomb, orbital airburst, orbital precision strike, orbital smoke screen.
Damn have I learned how strong smoke is recently.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 With the way the devs have nerfed the guns I don't see how you could go into a solo game without a support weapon, unless all your doing is full guerilla warfare hit and run to get the primary mission done and then don't even care about extracting, samples, or side objectives.
The only thing solo play ever had going for it was a bit of an easier map traversal. Because outposts always have the same amount of enemies, primary objectives don't change numbers, like you still need to save 30 people on helldive. You need the same kills for Eradicate. You need to hit that drill three times and always spawn the exact same amount of enemies, no matter if it's 1 or 4 players.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 Sure you don't need to run back to your last death location. But so often I have noticed, that the game kinda forces you into a death loop. Like even with advanced steering you often times can't get far enough away. Especially when you triggered something like gun ships. If you die to them, you are just shit out of luck, because you get dropped again too soon for them to reset, so they immediately aggro on you again.
I love how they took the eruption out of the eruptor and called it a buff 😂
Yeah, from their first notes about what they wanted to change, it read like they wanted to make it some kind of light grenade launcher in terms of impact, instead of that fragmentation. But then it jus... kinda got turned into a very mediocre bolt action rifle.
Thanks for making the video. I don't read patch notes much but I noticed the change. I was playing way less games the last couple of days because it was just more frustrating than fun. Now I know why.
I mostly duo with a friend, and now my enjoyment of the game is diminished quite a bit. At least I got 130 hours or so.
For solo, 1/6th honestly sounds about right. You may think, "1/4th, right?" Yet, you don't get any synergy bonus. Two people are more than twice the firepower of one person, because they can watch multiple angles, split sightlines, cover one another while reloading, and so on. I'm willing to give that up and just take the 1/4th. Yet, that is not what we got.
Man, I've been saying all this for a week now and getting, "git gud" and downvoted into oblivion. Thank you so much for this. Level 4 solo is hard as fuck now and not fun.
I can just about handle 4 comfortably, used to do 5 or 6 solo.
It's ridiculous now.
The thing I hate the most about the change is that arrowhead is again pushing the meta. When I play solo, I want to have an enjoyable time. 4 solo is usually still not a huge problem, but it's really not that enjoyable anymore when I try to take out an old loadout I haven't tried in a while.
Best part is everybody is expecting, and some even calling for, nerfs to guns like the Breaker Incendiary. For many it’s the only thing we have that keeps us alive even at lower tiers. Making even that less effective in current conditions will almost certainly be ‘game over’ for a big part of the player base. That gun is good, but really not game breaking at all.
@nubbins70 yeah, I played 4-5 solo pretty regularly and 5-6 was a big challenge for me. Now if i want to enjoy solo basically have to play 3 or maybe 4. I work a rotating swing shift so I go from days to nights regularly so friends aren't really an option and honestly after working 12 hours and then taking care of my kids and chores I want the experience I was having playing solo... not whatever the fuck it is now.
It’s weird how arrowhead is doing controversial decisions it was fine before the cleanup mission
Thank you very much for this video. I have been trying to convey these thoughts to my friends for weeks. This entire video is channeling my thoughts concisely.
From the wording of their update the devs very clearly stated they intended for 1 player to receive only 1/4th the patrols as 4 would rather than 1/6th. The current spawn rates are for sure bugged and not working as intended as they're all the same currently regardless of player count in the mission.
Also you appear to not know something about patrols I assume seeing as you mainly seem to play solo. In multiplayer lobbies while the players are spread out the patrols are not evenly distributed so if everyone is spread out 1 player can get all 4 patrols while the other 3 can get none, it's all rng. There's also a cap on how many enemy units can be active at one time, so eventually patrols and enemy alerts will stop spawning entirely if the player engage and kites enemies without killing them or letting them lose aggro and despawn.
You've pointed out everything i've been thinking since the patch dropped, and nobody seems to be talking about it. at this point i think the developers get some sadistic pleasure with how much they love to punish you for playing their game.
This explains why it feels so much harder. I'm a solo player and I can't extract with samples to save my democracy.
I do a lot of duo and trio play with my friends and the changes have been blatantly obvious. Never ending fights and continual running around the map out of ammo looking for a base to raid for supplies.
P.S. - We still complete the missions though. They're just way more hectic.
I love how arrowhead makes it so for solo players you will get no rest from enemies and then nerf our weapons into pea shooters you can’t do both and say it’s balanced
AH blew their creative load when developing the base game. Now they've fucked it up by "balancing" their creation like it's a PvP oriented game. Insane.
personally I absolutely hate it when devs try and force you into group play. Why do I get punished for doing things solo, when in my experience, games, that have group play, are always harder solo.
You don’t get punished they make it fair. It’s unrealistic that there are less enemies on a planet if you play solo. It was too easy for single players.
@@gurgelplus”unrealistic” bro shut up. Giant bugs can’t physically exist.
@@gurgelplus starfield had "realistic" planets with nothing on them. realism doesnt equal fun
@@gurgelplus Fair for who? The AI ? The Devs? What the actual fuck are you on about
@@shaneregan7745 Sure they can, they just require more Oxygen in the atmosphere that modern day Earth has. Earth had gigantic bugs in the past,
Twinbeard has confirmed they will now be reversing this patrol change.
i knew it felt like there was just neverending waves of enemies i didnt know it was this bad holy
Imagine you spawn in with three people and two drop their connection. This happened to me last night. I lost my super samples due to a pack of 60 hunters. (Literally 60 hunters not exaggerating) I was insta-killed and lost the mission and the samples. Arrowhead has to revert back to non-linear scaling of patrols. They of all people should know that people are not linear and our fun isnt an equation. Chaos (Entropy) is literally what makes this game so fun!
It happens, but not regularly. You don't always get to win. You have to accept some losses.
@@benjenkins183 His point is that we shouldn't have to rely on people to play the game with. I get it is a social game, but not every person has four friends that are constantly available to play on a 4 stack.
@@Justm3180
Kinda sad that not everyone has 3 friends.
@@Justm3180 You don't have to rely on them, just play at lower levels. Having the ego that you "should" be able to play solo on helldive is nothing more than the result of the "everybody gets a trophy" generation. Helldive level is meant to be just that....absurdly difficult with 4 fully stacked teammates. Thinking you should be able to play solo is just absurd.
Your fun is an equation though.
What they did is make is all the same regardless of the player count. That’s no equation.
What you’re saying is that you want the equation back.
I wonder how much giving Alexus Kravchenko the boot would fix in the longrun. Get someone that actually plays the Game for Fun in his position and were golden.
Thanks a lot for picking up this topic and rising awareness. I hope someone at Arrowhead will take it seriously finally. So far AH didn't comment on it, despite many request from solo/duo players.
Thanks for this clarifications. I usually play with a group of four but our schedules aren’t always aligned so often times it’s three of us or when it’s only my more skilled friend we could still handle duo 9’s. But the last few days when I would play alone to test weapons I went from easily soloing 7 on bots and bugs to barely finishing 1 in 3 or 4 games.
Here I’ve been thinking it was all the weapons I was trying are just trash cause I hadnt tested with my usual loadouts. Wonder how many other people out there are misjudging gear due to these changes
I can hear it in your tone, if this isn't fixed or addressed in the short future, it'll lead to many content creators stopping and players quitting. Rough.
With how quickly the next big hits come and go, youd think devs would be actively trying to prolong the life of their games
@@Llama_charmerpeople were saying the balancing lead Dev is not all the way there mentally, so as long as he's there it will get worse
honestly, this feels like the type of change where a random dev noticed an inconsistency with how scaling was calculated, and they just fixed the number without really understanding how it translated to in game exactly.
I also think crazy high spawnrates would be better if there wasn't a timer hard restricting how long you could stay in a mission - yeah I know why it exists, but it sucks because sometimes me and my buddy duo'ing the game at higher difficulties just have to say "well we'd love to fight off this massive horde rn, but we got 6 minutes left so let's just leave". It's really disheartening, and not often talked about by the community, so I doubt it'll ever change, but I would love some kind of change where after the mission timer finishes, instead of just calling extracting and auto leaving after 20 seconds, it instead gave you an incentive to leave quickly but let you stay in mission for as long as you want, say some kind of debuff like double the cooldown on everything including resupplies and reinforces, so you really felt it and had a good reason to leave. If something like that existed, then I could see the massive reinforce loops being doable.
I say this as a HD1 solo player who never stealthed, some of my favourite parts of that game was getting in a huge extended gunfight over say, disarming bombs objective which was insane in solo, but if you were good you could just keep fighting them off and use the slight downtime between patrols to do your objective, but it'd take like 15 minutes lol. I miss those huge battles of attrition, and easily my biggest issue with hd2 at the moment is that I can't do that, I'm forced to play fast and skip out on the fun because I want to take engagements instead of running away.
During the release of hd2 you could wait for your destroyer to leave and the emergacy pelican would stay as long as u wanted. The only difference is you could call in any stratagems nor resupplies once the destroyer left so you we still limited by whatever ammo u had left om the map
if arrowhead wants to keep this game good for both them and the community then they have to fire Aluxus
Fire Alexus
It seems like they have to fire half of the people working on this game (and CMs)
Gonna give the game 1 more month till the next warbond to see if some things still get nerf and we still get a mediocre warbond next month, and if so think I'm gonna take a break from the game. All of these nerf to my beloved guns are getting to me lads.
thanks for at least being reasonable about it
Same
Thanks for making this video, I'm glad I'm not the only one frustrated by the new patrol rate
Extracting solo helldive now seems pretty luck based honestly. Its pretty insane now
I am always up for a challenge but this is beyond silly, there is so much stuff coming at you that it is impossible to form a frontline of fire where you and your squad can hold and fight
now is just running around waiting for the eagle cooldown trying to find cover wherever you can
your most op weapon atm is your running speed, everything else is secondary
I want the game how it was at launch !
Stealth and mobility do feel a bit too necessary.
I think they need like an armor buff. So medium and heavy armor actually have traits that help you kill stuff.
And from personal experience, having more than one eagle is a mistake.
People talk about them having more charges, and how if you constantly spam the eagle strike you can throw more of them out.
But you can throw out multiple orbitals at the same time, and a lot of them have lasting effects, which both make clearing enemies and providing flank protection more likely.
Also people seem to tend to bring a support weapon and a backpack leaving them with only two massive AOE stratagem.
A lot of my solo helldives I do with three orbitals and one eagle.
Sometimes I'll replace one with a backpack or support weapon, or mix things up and take a defensive stratagem.
A lot of my solo helldives end quietly, just waiting for the pelican.
They need to fire the balancing dude because the game has been getting harder and harder for no reason especially for solo players, and some people (myself included) literally have no choice but to play solo.
I understand your take on apologizing for the negative tone but from where I stand videos like this are a positive! Poor balancing, poor testing, and patches that seemingly break the very component it focuses on NEEDS to be addressed. Videos like this alert the playerbase, including myself, to these changes and errors and helps us all as a whole communicate to Arrowhead that this ISN'T what we want. When you release a live service game the channel for constructive criticism and feedback has to be open. Those who just call it whining or complaining are the ones who seem to care the least about the future of this game. To sum it up, great video and keep up the good work!
Thanks for uploading this. I really hope more people bring this to the front so the devs take notice, because so far they haven't even acknowledged this bug. Even if it wasn't a bug, it should still absolutely be repealed. I mostly play solo or with just one friend, so this change has really affected us and made the game less fun. I used to play solo automaton helldives, now I'm just not good enough and I don't bother to solo anymore. Our duo matches are also severely increased in difficulty. It was so much better before the change. Sometimes we are just getting overrun and it seems impossible not to.
i am so confused... shouldnt it be the other way around... when u do stuff on the map you should get rewarded longer time between patrols...??
Logically yes, if you are reducing their numbers (destroying factories/nests), then theres going to be LESS enemies
I haven't played since the whole psn fiasco and after seeing how the game is trying to commit sudoku, I doubt I will anytime soon.
Seppuku
Seppuku not sudoku lmao
@@DavidBowring that's just a silly joke
@@DavidBowring r/whoooosh
The psn fiasco was a decision by Sony and was forced onto helldivers, the developers were actively AGAINST the psn change and encouraged players to resist it
Thank you for all the honesty and amazing content. I knew it was bad, but I didn't think it was this bad. I hope the less people thing wasn't due to PSN account linking, like, "Hey, do you have another buddy that can get on", or something similar. Wish all the best for your channel.
It’s another “DRG does it better” moment for me. Season 5 next month and i can’t wait!
We were doing bots on 7 last night and it wasn't just patrols spawning, groups were literally spawning in bases we just destroyed or places we had just looked and then looked away. It was beyond frustrating.
I don't get the logic behind this decision. It isn't fun...it actually pisses me off. We JUST CLEARED THAT AREA - How tf are bots just spawning in there and then calling in reinforcements?
They should just add an even higher difficulty at this point
As a co-op MP game, it should encourage group play but I agree it shouldn't punish solo or duo play. Maybe add bonus something when you are a full team if that is the vision of the game designer.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as the old saying goes. The more "noise" we Helldivers make by completing main and side objectives in a given mission, the bigger the "response" will be from automatons/bugs who are originally outside of the mission area. That's also why as outposts are destroyed, patrols become more and more forced to spawn from the edges of the map instead of in the middle.
We are technically reducing the local/in-the-mission reinforcements with each objective we complete, but that just means that more and more enemies from outside the mission area are going to be sent to find and exterminate use Helldivers. Hope this clears up the confusion!
That my man, is one HELL of a cope.
I think it`s good for arrowhead to have a direction where the game is going, but at the same time the player base love the game for what it is now. Drastically changing so is just betraying their player base.
They could just come right out and tell us they mean for mission success on higher difficulties to never be 100% and sometimes the maps are just BS even with a full team of decent players, and people would respect them for their honesty. They are trying to stretch the game by making you spend more time to progress in the game vs burning out from having no new maps and enemies and a few weapons are generally sidegrades from the rest of the lineup. The problem here is there is a fine line to walk between stretching the game to the point of frustration to keep your concurrent player numbers up without people burning out, and it doesn't seem to be trending towards stability.
I thought it was always implied that the highest difficulties should be difficult even for a well-organized team.
But it will be a difficult line for them to walk.
@@lacrossev the fact that they need to say that hard difficulty is supposed to be hard so ppl can understand is so funny to me
My friend and I usually run duo runs and we noticed something had changed. We avoided playing with random players because we usually had more of a stealth style of play with guerilla hit and run tactics we enjoyed. Most random players would just come in guns blazing, call in supplies for themselves away from us and leave us high and dry. This game just keeps going up and down with the choices they make every patch. I honestly wonder if they're trying to force players into 4 player games to reduce instances on the servers, so they can reduce servers again or something weird like that. Holding hope for now that the devs take a moment to step back, take a breath and thinks things through more clearly. Weapon buffs and nerfs that "aren't working as intended" just make it seem like they knee-jerk reacting without proper testing or thinking ahead. Still holding hope that the game stabilizes in a better path forward, but all eyes are on them and people will lose overall interest if this pattern keeps up. I feel like their game got notice because it was fun and different than the AAA half finished, overly monetized games that have become the norm. If they keep making changes that take away the fun aspect of the game, they will lose the faith of the players, and everyone will move on to something else.
Great video and loved how you incorporated Luchs into it. This doesn't even go into the argument of, what if I want four man groups to be crazy and hectic? The only group this helps are those that want to stroll around killing things and xvac with no real challenges.
I've noticed jetpack Automatons can now run as fast as you which means you can't kill them without being hit by their self-destruct, which likely kills you. A lot of them spawn even on Easy. I recently completed 5 missions on Suicide, Challenging and Easy but didn't manage to extract at all! No fun whatsoever.