Pyrion: "developers and directors need to stop listening to people online about how to make their games and movies" Also Pyrion: "Developers need to listen to their communities and make the games that I want to play"
Oh and they cant use Reddit or twitter or any social media as a means to listen to their communities because opinions given there are wrong by default. Such boomerism.
@@CriticoolHit they don't care, this is their show. I'm no boomer and I hate input from others, because 9 times out of 10 it's super self inflated entitled people that demand stuff from people who owe them nothing. there is no subscription (Especially for this podcast) we're paying to listen. Why should they be beholden to us? If you don't like what their saying, go elsewhere.
@@armchairphilosopher6880 "I'm no boomer and I hate input from others" "If you don't like what their saying, go elsewhere" Ayy Besides that, I don't think he was criticizing or saying he dislikes this podcast but instead joking about how much the daddies dislike boomer things and how vehement they are on not being boomers.
The part with Sips saying he doesn't moan about games or things he doesn't like unless he is really invested is funny. I watch loads of his streams, and whether he has played a game for 5 hours, 50 hours, or 500 hours, he is constantly moaning and groaning and saying things are stupid and broken and badly thought out, and usually its because he is being an idiot. :L Love you Dad.
I think their criticism and views of games and reddit are spot on. Most of the stuff before that was kind of garbage. But, the condemnation of reddit is quite welcome. Anywhere worth hanging out has been shitting on reddit as being fucking cancer for nigh on a decade now. At least 99% of the content on reddit & twitter is the verbal/written equivalent of a frothy chunky jet blast of the most rancid steaming hot diarrhea you can possibly imagine, directly into both eyes.
Flax describes Empire of Sin, Flax is told he described Empire of Sin, Flax balks at the comparison and shits on folks actually making a game. To quote Flax, "fuuuck off"
I'm not sure whether sales are a good indication by themselves of how good a game is. FIFA - which I think is an awful franchise - is basically EA's cash cow, and people have made tons and tons of videos about how awful and predatory EA and FIFA and Madden are. I think, in that respect, the opinions of people have to be considered.
And people will still buy, really want a football game that can actually rival fifa and make them actually make a new game instead of the same copy paste shit
@@gullyman7524 You are right, a lack of competition definitely hurts any innovation for a football game (outside of maybe PES?), but there HAS TO be an element of multi-dimension when assessing a game, otherwise, like you said, you'll just get shit like FIFA and Madden et al
Yeah, it's a really bad take from Pyrion. That's literally only how corporations and CEOs and shit think. CD Projekt Red have, IMO, proven that you really should listen to your fanbase and get their opinions on your product. Because they're probably going to make bookoo bucks off the back of Cyberpunk, and it's because they listened to the fans.
@My Subs Right. But Pyrion is saying that devs shouldn't listen to them, when in reality, they probably should. Especially if these people can convince others to not buy future games after reading their Reddit posts with 100k upvotes or a video with a million views. It's still a portion of the fan base that has to be listened to.
Personally, I think at-length criticism is good because it rightly points out mistakes and awful executions / ideas. People just need to accept that something can have serious or minor flaws and still be enjoyable. If your enjoyment of a movie is tainted solely becacuse somebody was able to name 100 issues with said movie, that's on you.
I work in an office. Most days go like this: I finish whatever is planned within the first hour of starting work, then there's 2 options: You either ask for more work, in which case they'll give you an insane amount of stupid work, which they will use against you if you do not finish in time, or you just shut up, listen to podcasts and act like you are working. So you can guess once what literally everyone chooses. Working from home changes nothing for our company, as all we do is computer based online stuff, productivity (or lack thereof) wasn't impacted at all. Yet, still they are making us come back to the office which is in the highest corona-hit area of the country to basically make sure we're at least acting like we are working. When we were working from home (after 30 people in the company got infected so they literally didn't have any other option), my asshole middle manager was constantly sending skype messages to give us more dumb work, and getting furious when you did not react within 30 seconds "because you were obviously not working". I hate my job, and as soon as corona allows it I'll look for something else and hope it is at least marginally less toxic than the shithole I work in now.
I know my opinion means nothing but, it is frustrating to hear Pyrion put down everything anime because of the crap sold on steam for 50p, and sounding to never be willing to try or hear anything positive made in the style.
Your opinion always means something to someone. And yeah i agree, for instance i just finished rewatching gintama and out of every piece of media i have seen in my life nothing has ever and prolly never will top it. But of course people will just see this as a "weeb" talking out their ass.
Drek was born on Orxon, an industrialized planet in the Shadow Sector of the Solana Galaxy. At some point, due to overpopulation and pollution by Drek Industries,[4] the planet became uninhabitable. Drek then planned to construct an entirely new planet using the best pieces of other planets in the galaxy. Though he told the blarg and the rest of the galaxy that this was a solution to build them a new home,[5] he was actually motivated by profit and planned to pollute the next planet and restart the entire process.[4] Drek also hired galactic celebrity Captain Qwark to be the highly paid spokesperson for his new planet.[6]
I have a really vague memory of two puppets from the bbc teamed up with walkers crisps and it was called something like "someone and zack's totally crazy / wacky competition" where it has a really high chance of winning but the prizes were random trash. I won a piece of string (they sent it to me in my stamped addressed envelope) and my friend won a die where every side was a 1 anyone else remember this? I was at primary school at the time so its a vague memory EDIT: It was golden wonder and "zig and zag" only a few people online seem to have memories of this competition :D
The problem with game designing is, the reality is never what you imagined in your head. You start out with a great idea and the constraints steadily wither it down to shit.
Lewis talking about game creators not putting in stuff that mod makers have made totally reminds me of “a letter to notch” from all those years back about notch “stealing” potions
I like that Flax is talking about America like someone who has never seen a highway before. Gave me a good laugh sips trying to explain why things are so spread out in North America.
Honestly. But hey, when you live in a smaller country (or on a tiny island) it must be difficult to conceptualize driving for 5 hours and still being in the same damn state. That said, Pyrion gave perhaps the worst (best?) example of a city you can't walk around in. L.A. is a GD nightmare to get around in with any form of transportation.
The way they describe America makes it sound like a hellscape of just roads and no way of getting out and walking, I could not live any where like that!
i got a pair of sunglasses when i was a kid from bazooka joe, lasted about 2-3 months and then i took a dodgeball to the face and they broke. And the incident pyrion is talking about at 22:20 happened when tucker carlson was a host of Crossfire and they had john stewart on. Tucker tried to make himself look important by hurting stewarts credibility as reporter. John stewart countered with he is not a reporter he is a comedian, the show on before the daily show at the time was crank yankers. john tore carlson apart pointing out crank yankers is a show with puppets making prank calls about jacking off. where as carlson is supposed to be a reporter and he is seen as a joke. John stewart made such good points during the interview on crossfire, that the executive in charge of the show said john stewart was right and cancelled the show with in days. if you can find it, its worth a watch the entire interview is gold.
I doubt the Dads would ever play it, but the best indie game I've played in a while was Spiritfarer. Highly recommend to anyone looking for something a bit different.
I got Elite earlier this year and put about 77 hours into it. I enjoyed it but did ultimately get bored of it purely because of its slow pace. At the start it was fine because everything I was doing was relatively close so time spent travelling between stars was a lot less but then I decided to Engineer my ship and began the process of gathering the resources and unlocking the Engineers and it killed the game very quickly for me. I literally for a couple of hours just to make 'reasonable' progress driving a circuit around an abandoned research station picking up materials for about an hour over and over again and that materials I got still only lasted for one or two upgrades before I had ran out again. That and the travel time was beyond stupid, would take me literally an hour to get to where I was going and that whole time was just jumping between stars and scooping fuel, mind numbingly boring. I don't want to play a game for an hour and literally make zero actual progress and have no enjoyment, killed the game for me and I stopped playing.
I dont catch these every week usually. But when I go on long car trips and stuff I put these on and it really helps the time fly by. I'm starting a new job as a gas station kiosk clerk, so I get a lot of time to myself. I'm hoping to start catching these more often.
I've dabbled in modding and programming and the biggest problem I've run into is that no one wants to take ownership or put in any work what-so-ever for the things that they want.
If someone guesses the ending of a show before it finishes who cares the creator should have some creative integrity and keep the ending regardless, that's the problem not reddit.
Tucker Carlson and the critics of those late show hosts probably weren't criticizing their journalistic integrity, but rather how they only seem to make fun of one side of the political aisle and not the other.
Man, the part about the roads are so true. In Florida, it's so annoying just trying to get coffee or Wendy's or anything without a car. Their would be like 4 or 5 lanes on some roads with people who couldn't give less of a fuck of pedestrians and other drivers. It shouldn't be a hike just to go out for coffee. Like everything is soooo spaced out for some reason. Thank God Target and the liquor store is at least close enough to walk to lol
ik this is hella late, but for the E:D conversation, yall are absolutely right. i love elite, its one of my top3 in terms of games overall, but its also the game i play when im drinking and listening to music, with no desire for anything urgent
I love elite dangerous and this is my honest opinion about it. It's a background game. You play it while watching Netflix or UA-cam. As for docking? The auto docker is a great thing to buy and it's not expensive.
I think the next indie game I'm really excited about is "12 minutes". If you haven't seen anything of it, just wait it out and go in blind. Very small team, very good core idea. Hopefully it's as good as it looks.
@@HellBent_ LUL cancel culture existed long before social media. In the 60s with Red scare many holywood and artist was label as socialist and was blacked listed.... McCarthy era BS was cancel culture. See the satantic panic the US in the 80s, trying to get DnD banned, metal banned etc. Then you have religious people firing people for being gay before CRA protected gays from discrimination. Even in the 90s with Tipper Gore trying to limit what music people can listen to. Which is why their are labels on music and video games saying these are not for kids. I rather people be canceled for being bigoted twats than being gay, playing a pen and paper RPG, or for a political belief.
@@HellBent_ People getting canceled for bigotry isn't an issue, and that is what you see from libs/leftist. Trump want to use government force to lock people who burn the US flag. That is government canceling people. Trump calling for peaceful protesters to be locked up. That is scary and literally infringing on human rights.
@@HellBent_ a joke... that uses a slur is a bigoted joke. Jokes can be racist. Which if you look at the rise of the Alt right was in part due to bigoted jokes. It is a way they can mask their bigotry, it is just jokes bro. I wish I saved an article that showed how people like Richard Spencer was using "jokes" about blacks to spread their message. And what people been cancelled for wasn't harmless comments. They been racist comments. Pewdiepie... with the whole death to Jews joke is a joke, but is a bigoted joke. I don't think he is racist or hate Jews, but I have hard time wanting to defend him after he called someone the n word in heated gaming moment. It came out way to easy for him not to use fairly regularly. And the only people I know that use the N word that often where they can slip up like that are normally bigoted. And since he is face of youtube with that joke, and that slip of the tongue, will hurt their bottom line. Companies don't want to be associate with that so they will pull ads. Thus taking money from youtube. Part of his apology " said the worst word I could possibly think of, and it just sort of slipped out. I’m not going to make any excuses as to why it did, because there are no excuses for it." First half is an excuse, and i really don't buy it just slipped out, since he said he was thinking for the worst thing to say. But I have to say he has done good since then, donating to BLM, and not slipping up. Again I don't think he is racist, but he might be... I don't know. And most companies if one of their employees did that would be fired for creating a hostile work place. Which is a just firing. Because those foolish acts creates distrust and other negative BS with the company they worked for. That is about close to over reaction i ever saw from libs/leftists with cancel culture... but UA-cam was going come down on him hard due to what I said about hurting the bottom line. Many people who are against cancel culture feels entitled to a private owned platform.... and no one is. If you ask me that is where the real entitlement is. I want to say you have very measured thoughts on this. But lets be real, business are the one with power to cancel people outside the government. Yes, the masses can influence a company protests, boycotts. Which to limit cancel culture could end up limiting people who are calling for people to be fired speech.
@@HellBent_ Yeah, my thing is anti bigotry. Insults are offensive speech but allow them so long the person insulting another isn't harassing them. If I called you dumb, fine. But if I went around and calling you dumb everywhere you went that is harassment. Or spamming it on social media. So for me it isn't all offensive speech. It is just bigotry, and again I am not calling for government action. And those who want to outlaw hate speech I disagree with. Because if you do they will just go underground. And when underground it harder to know who is a bigoted jackwagon. But if you try to limit "cancel culture" you would have to use government force to do so, I can't see it any other way of doing it. Because people if they don't like something they should, and have right to speak out about it. And a company should have right to fire someone that would bring bad PR to their company. Thus an actually violation of freedom speech, and freedom of association. Your right to free speech doesn't trump a business freedom of association, or others right to speak out against you. You don't have right to a job, if you violate that company HR policy. You don't have right to a privately own platform that you don't own. None of that violates people right to free speech if they get fired because people told your work place about you being racist, or if someone reports you to youtube, twitter for breaking tos. They have right to say what they want, others have right not to associate with you if you do. Now ask yourself how can you stop "cancel culture" without violating others rights. I don't see how with out having some laws pass that would limit freedom of association, and speech. And for me that is much scary than bunch of individuals using their rights to speak out against someone, or not associating with someone.
Pyrion and Sips complaining about companies paying too much attention to reddit is pretty funny in light of them kicking Madcat out because of a reddit mob. Lewis just sits quietly and listens.
There is a big difference between kow towing to the Game of thrones sub because they guessed the ending and firing people who sexually batter or assault (reminder that assault includes threats and "jokes" towards someone in a sexual manner that was unwanted)
@@thegrandimperialist168 non consensual sexual jokes that make the target uncomfortable are. Look up the legal definition (which is what companies align their morality to)
@@valerieblackwell5765 Sexual jokes (non consensual as all jokes are) are not assault. The burden of proof is on you for such a ridiculous claim. After you look and are unable to find evidence for such a claim, then consider why they kicked someone out of the Yogscast for making a few girls on the internet jokes.
Dude, Pyrion, enough with the complaints. Maybe talk about things you like instead of staring at things you dislike & telling everyone how much you dislike staring at a bad thing.
I find it pretty ironic that 3 people part of one of Britain's biggest media groups don't know how to handle and use critisism. Weird, but I quess that's part of their charm.
The problem with game development, especially indie but applies across the board, it the ability to make money. Game design is like every other entertainment industry the goal is to make money. There's a scope where it doesn't matter if you spend 12 months on a game or 3 year you'd make roughly the same amount of money. So what's happening are Game Devs rather than having a passion project that takes years are churning out 'bog standard' games with just enough development that they work but are ultimately boring in order to keep their revenue up. There's no way to tell if your game is just going to sub par average or sell exceptionally well, none at all its all guess work. So from their pov why spend three years on a game when they can spend one year on it and make roughly the same amount. There's no incentive for developers to really push and dedicate themselves to making a really great game. That said if their game does do really well its often greatly improved over time, Minecraft been the best example but there are many others. If you look at the best selling Indie games on steam most of them have a varied amount of development time and there was no idea that they'd do as well as they have.
As an American, I have no idea what they're talking about with it being hard to walk places here. Maybe it's just because I'm a Coloradan, but I walk places every time I have to go somewhere that's not too far away. Admittedly, I've never been to California--let alone L.A., but I've never been anywhere across the US where you couldn't walk anywhere you needed to go. When I was still going to high school, I'd walk 1.5 miles there and back every day, and I walk to the grocery store in addition to the restaurants near me all the time.
it would be amazing if someone went through and time stamped topics and interesting moments for those who can't catch the full podcast or want to skip parts.
Game Idea: Zombie cleanup crew. The infection is long over, but theres still a few infested areas. Your job is to work with your team to clear them out. Theres no combat, everyone is vaccinated against the virus by now. Instead you have to lure the zombies into containment units so they can be cured later. Think that one episode of wallace and gromit with the rabbits, but with zombies.
No reddit user ever use the up/down vote system in the way it's intended. You're not supposed to downvote stuff just because you disagree with it, yet if you go against the grain on any popular opinion you can see your karma start to tank no matter how eloquently you phrase your arguments. Getting actual discussions going is also like pulling teeth, you can make a multiple paragraph post inviting counter-arguments, but the only thing you'll ever get in response is a one-line 'ur wrong' and a downvote. Trash site.
The immense amount of shit games that flood steam and stuff these days is 100% due to the ease of access to game dev tools. In this day and age some Clive down in Slough can download a dev. Software and pump out a “game” in an afternoon and have it on steam next game.
Reddit has got its problems for sure but its still the best platform we've got. I mean what's the alternative really? Some people might argue Twitter but personally I can't stand twitter, the layout imo has always sucked, methods of finding new content sucks, character limits I mean really?! It doesn't come close to reddit for my personally.
Iratus: Lord of the dead is just Darkest Dungeon, but your the villian. And It's good. If you like Darkest dungeon, you'll like Iratus. It's not a "Slay the Spire" type game. Their both turn based and rogue-likes, but still very different games. If you don't like the graphics, fair enough. If it's not your type of game, fair enough. But saying it's not good because it's like slay the spire, but worse is not a fair comment. That's like saying "I don't like DOTA because it's like the Sims, but worse". Maybe that's a bit extreme, but it get's the point across.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE DENNIS THE MENACE FANCLUB I NEVER GOT THE WALLET BUT I HAVE A COOL T-SHIRT WHICH STILL VAGUELLY FITS ME IT'S LIKE A CROP TOP BECAUSE I AM NOW FAT AND IT IS FOR AN 8 YEAR OLD
also next time you're at EGX check to make sure that the beano artists are there, they have been the last few times! You could go over and say hi! they're very grumpy!
I love private eye! I follow one of the cartoonists on twitter. It's so good all the investigations private eye do. It feels like "Why isn't everyone talking about this!" when they have the investigations into how tax is hidden and the money laundering done through UK banks.
This episode : 1. The guys only think the US is LA and New York, and that sidewalks don't exist here. 2. Pyrion - comics are fun but are completely racist wow im virtuous. *but never said anything back then about it*. 3. Left wing comedy is so ground breaking journalistically but when held up to a microscope, "its just comedy man, cmon bro, cmon its funny haha laugh with me". Christ, when did they become so woke? I only ever came for sips but this is embarrassing.
"The confidence of ignorance" 100% describes Pyrion's views on games. He is the embodiement of old man yelling at clouds.
Pyrion: "developers and directors need to stop listening to people online about how to make their games and movies"
Also Pyrion: "Developers need to listen to their communities and make the games that I want to play"
Oh and they cant use Reddit or twitter or any social media as a means to listen to their communities because opinions given there are wrong by default. Such boomerism.
@@CriticoolHit they don't care, this is their show. I'm no boomer and I hate input from others, because 9 times out of 10 it's super self inflated entitled people that demand stuff from people who owe them nothing. there is no subscription (Especially for this podcast) we're paying to listen. Why should they be beholden to us? If you don't like what their saying, go elsewhere.
@@armchairphilosopher6880 they're*
@@armchairphilosopher6880
"I'm no boomer and I hate input from others"
"If you don't like what their saying, go elsewhere"
Ayy
Besides that, I don't think he was criticizing or saying he dislikes this podcast but instead joking about how much the daddies dislike boomer things and how vehement they are on not being boomers.
@@3DRiley_ You're acting like people aren't allowed to have conflicting opinions. But yeah, I get the irony.
The part with Sips saying he doesn't moan about games or things he doesn't like unless he is really invested is funny.
I watch loads of his streams, and whether he has played a game for 5 hours, 50 hours, or 500 hours, he is constantly moaning and groaning and saying things are stupid and broken and badly thought out, and usually its because he is being an idiot. :L
Love you Dad.
Love how consistent you guys are bringing these out thank you guys
well they really can't go any where... and them going trips normally kept them from a weekly uploading every week.
I'm happy to. Gj Triforce
Covid-19 FOREVER!
I can't keep up with them now tho, I'm like 4 episodes behind O_o'
Just what I need while I wipe wednesday's diarrhea off my ceiling
Shouldn't point it towards the ceiling!
Some sort of strange genius involved with this comment.
Not again Duncan...
@@zoravar.k7904mushrooms r bad mmkay
Lol pyrion talking about awful communities and mentions LSF as one he watches
Typical boomer
It's funny when they talk about all these "shit" games that they've just seen in like the Steam recommended when they've never played them.
I think their criticism and views of games and reddit are spot on.
Most of the stuff before that was kind of garbage. But, the condemnation of reddit is quite welcome.
Anywhere worth hanging out has been shitting on reddit as being fucking cancer for nigh on a decade now.
At least 99% of the content on reddit & twitter is the verbal/written equivalent of a frothy chunky jet blast of the most rancid steaming hot diarrhea you can possibly imagine, directly into both eyes.
Flax describes Empire of Sin, Flax is told he described Empire of Sin, Flax balks at the comparison and shits on folks actually making a game. To quote Flax, "fuuuck off"
I'm not sure whether sales are a good indication by themselves of how good a game is. FIFA - which I think is an awful franchise - is basically EA's cash cow, and people have made tons and tons of videos about how awful and predatory EA and FIFA and Madden are. I think, in that respect, the opinions of people have to be considered.
And people will still buy, really want a football game that can actually rival fifa and make them actually make a new game instead of the same copy paste shit
@@gullyman7524 You are right, a lack of competition definitely hurts any innovation for a football game (outside of maybe PES?), but there HAS TO be an element of multi-dimension when assessing a game, otherwise, like you said, you'll just get shit like FIFA and Madden et al
Yeah, it's a really bad take from Pyrion. That's literally only how corporations and CEOs and shit think. CD Projekt Red have, IMO, proven that you really should listen to your fanbase and get their opinions on your product. Because they're probably going to make bookoo bucks off the back of Cyberpunk, and it's because they listened to the fans.
The main attraction for the new sport games seem to be higher detail on sweat beads ... The gameplay doesn't seem to change
@My Subs Right. But Pyrion is saying that devs shouldn't listen to them, when in reality, they probably should. Especially if these people can convince others to not buy future games after reading their Reddit posts with 100k upvotes or a video with a million views. It's still a portion of the fan base that has to be listened to.
This weeks sponsor segment was the first time I laughed out loud in a long time! The music build up and cut was hilarious.
Flax after waking up: Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Personally, I think at-length criticism is good because it rightly points out mistakes and awful executions / ideas. People just need to accept that something can have serious or minor flaws and still be enjoyable. If your enjoyment of a movie is tainted solely becacuse somebody was able to name 100 issues with said movie, that's on you.
I work in an office. Most days go like this: I finish whatever is planned within the first hour of starting work, then there's 2 options: You either ask for more work, in which case they'll give you an insane amount of stupid work, which they will use against you if you do not finish in time, or you just shut up, listen to podcasts and act like you are working. So you can guess once what literally everyone chooses. Working from home changes nothing for our company, as all we do is computer based online stuff, productivity (or lack thereof) wasn't impacted at all. Yet, still they are making us come back to the office which is in the highest corona-hit area of the country to basically make sure we're at least acting like we are working. When we were working from home (after 30 people in the company got infected so they literally didn't have any other option), my asshole middle manager was constantly sending skype messages to give us more dumb work, and getting furious when you did not react within 30 seconds "because you were obviously not working". I hate my job, and as soon as corona allows it I'll look for something else and hope it is at least marginally less toxic than the shithole I work in now.
Just don't work in retail.
wow that sucks man, hope things get better
I really agree with what Pyrion and Lewis were talking about with Reddit
If only they followed their own advise when it came to their own Subreddit
You guys are making stage 4 worth struggling through
Ayyy are you a fellow victorian.
@@carlhilber2275 reporting for incarceration sir!
Ahh shit I thought you were talking about cancer
Needs trigger warning for poor workers who've all suffered the Middle manager micromanaging . Sips was spot on!
"When I was a kid I couldn't play games so I played games with my mind." My girlfriend plays games with my mind all the time!
For PFlax: Drek is a Dutch word and translates to something like filthy or slimy dirt, and it is used in the way you used it.
I love Pyrion, he is one of my favs but damn, he was whiny this week.
I know my opinion means nothing but, it is frustrating to hear Pyrion put down everything anime because of the crap sold on steam for 50p, and sounding to never be willing to try or hear anything positive made in the style.
Your opinion always means something to someone. And yeah i agree, for instance i just finished rewatching gintama and out of every piece of media i have seen in my life nothing has ever and prolly never will top it. But of course people will just see this as a "weeb" talking out their ass.
shutup weebs
Now you understand the feelings of other fandoms, like furries, and console players.
true i feel bad for lewis who always has to quietly listen to flax boomer rant about it, flax needs to just get his head out of his ass
Drek was born on Orxon, an industrialized planet in the Shadow Sector of the Solana Galaxy. At some point, due to overpopulation and pollution by Drek Industries,[4] the planet became uninhabitable. Drek then planned to construct an entirely new planet using the best pieces of other planets in the galaxy. Though he told the blarg and the rest of the galaxy that this was a solution to build them a new home,[5] he was actually motivated by profit and planned to pollute the next planet and restart the entire process.[4] Drek also hired galactic celebrity Captain Qwark to be the highly paid spokesperson for his new planet.[6]
Sips: "I never give my opinion on a game beyond if it's good" *goes and listens to old podcasts and watches his streams where he does it all the time*
I have a really vague memory of two puppets from the bbc teamed up with walkers crisps and it was called something like "someone and zack's totally crazy / wacky competition" where it has a really high chance of winning but the prizes were random trash.
I won a piece of string (they sent it to me in my stamped addressed envelope) and my friend won a die where every side was a 1
anyone else remember this? I was at primary school at the time so its a vague memory
EDIT: It was golden wonder and "zig and zag" only a few people online seem to have memories of this competition :D
How come Lewis wrapped up the end of the podcast quickly, Sips was talking about making a game. :)
seems to always happen so suddenly.
@@PetterAndersson I mean... it might do to ask him. He's ruined a few good conversations by shutting down seemingly out of the blue.
Man's got a schedule
@@lemuhnn femboy *
But I agree about the schedule.
@@sandrojones8068 kinda trash femboy
51:45 IDK, a _Troggle Trouble Math_ crossover with _Rise of the Triad_ sounds like a good time...
The problem with game designing is, the reality is never what you imagined in your head. You start out with a great idea and the constraints steadily wither it down to shit.
Lewis talking about game creators not putting in stuff that mod makers have made totally reminds me of “a letter to notch” from all those years back about notch “stealing” potions
That tv show that changed because of reddit was Westworld I'm pretty sure
I like that Flax is talking about America like someone who has never seen a highway before. Gave me a good laugh sips trying to explain why things are so spread out in North America.
Honestly. But hey, when you live in a smaller country (or on a tiny island) it must be difficult to conceptualize driving for 5 hours and still being in the same damn state.
That said, Pyrion gave perhaps the worst (best?) example of a city you can't walk around in. L.A. is a GD nightmare to get around in with any form of transportation.
32:44 Everybodys free to wear sunscreen
The way they describe America makes it sound like a hellscape of just roads and no way of getting out and walking, I could not live any where like that!
i got a pair of sunglasses when i was a kid from bazooka joe, lasted about 2-3 months and then i took a dodgeball to the face and they broke. And the incident pyrion is talking about at 22:20 happened when tucker carlson was a host of Crossfire and they had john stewart on. Tucker tried to make himself look important by hurting stewarts credibility as reporter. John stewart countered with he is not a reporter he is a comedian, the show on before the daily show at the time was crank yankers. john tore carlson apart pointing out crank yankers is a show with puppets making prank calls about jacking off. where as carlson is supposed to be a reporter and he is seen as a joke. John stewart made such good points during the interview on crossfire, that the executive in charge of the show said john stewart was right and cancelled the show with in days. if you can find it, its worth a watch the entire interview is gold.
Its been a while since i've tuned in, this podcast helped me through some sad times. The intro brought a smile to my face :)
I doubt the Dads would ever play it, but the best indie game I've played in a while was Spiritfarer. Highly recommend to anyone looking for something a bit different.
I got Elite earlier this year and put about 77 hours into it. I enjoyed it but did ultimately get bored of it purely because of its slow pace. At the start it was fine because everything I was doing was relatively close so time spent travelling between stars was a lot less but then I decided to Engineer my ship and began the process of gathering the resources and unlocking the Engineers and it killed the game very quickly for me.
I literally for a couple of hours just to make 'reasonable' progress driving a circuit around an abandoned research station picking up materials for about an hour over and over again and that materials I got still only lasted for one or two upgrades before I had ran out again. That and the travel time was beyond stupid, would take me literally an hour to get to where I was going and that whole time was just jumping between stars and scooping fuel, mind numbingly boring. I don't want to play a game for an hour and literally make zero actual progress and have no enjoyment, killed the game for me and I stopped playing.
I dont catch these every week usually. But when I go on long car trips and stuff I put these on and it really helps the time fly by. I'm starting a new job as a gas station kiosk clerk, so I get a lot of time to myself. I'm hoping to start catching these more often.
There is a name for what flax is talking about. Its the effect of the vocal minority vs the silent majority.
I've dabbled in modding and programming and the biggest problem I've run into is that no one wants to take ownership or put in any work what-so-ever for the things that they want.
From what I saw of Barn Finders with Tom's playthrough, it looked pretty good.
Don't listen to pyrion, the man plays dota
If someone guesses the ending of a show before it finishes who cares the creator should have some creative integrity and keep the ending regardless, that's the problem not reddit.
You’re right, Reddit is a problem for many other things.
Sips: I just need a couple million dollars to make a game.
Yogventure backers ........... go on............
Tucker Carlson and the critics of those late show hosts probably weren't criticizing their journalistic integrity, but rather how they only seem to make fun of one side of the political aisle and not the other.
Alright, time to try and get caught up on Tri-Force. - *looks at date* - Am I really over a year behind?!?!
Man, the part about the roads are so true. In Florida, it's so annoying just trying to get coffee or Wendy's or anything without a car. Their would be like 4 or 5 lanes on some roads with people who couldn't give less of a fuck of pedestrians and other drivers. It shouldn't be a hike just to go out for coffee. Like everything is soooo spaced out for some reason. Thank God Target and the liquor store is at least close enough to walk to lol
I'd play dude sim Alaska.
Bullshit Jobs by David Greaber is a great book about many of the problems mentioned at the start of this episode
ik this is hella late, but for the E:D conversation, yall are absolutely right. i love elite, its one of my top3 in terms of games overall, but its also the game i play when im drinking and listening to music, with no desire for anything urgent
I love elite dangerous and this is my honest opinion about it. It's a background game. You play it while watching Netflix or UA-cam. As for docking? The auto docker is a great thing to buy and it's not expensive.
If you wondered what the other guessed show ending was: it was LOST
I think the next indie game I'm really excited about is "12 minutes". If you haven't seen anything of it, just wait it out and go in blind. Very small team, very good core idea. Hopefully it's as good as it looks.
It’s **been** time
There are few good sub reddits, yet there are alot of toxic ones.
@@HellBent_ LUL cancel culture existed long before social media.
In the 60s with Red scare many holywood and artist was label as socialist and was blacked listed.... McCarthy era BS was cancel culture.
See the satantic panic the US in the 80s, trying to get DnD banned, metal banned etc.
Then you have religious people firing people for being gay before CRA protected gays from discrimination.
Even in the 90s with Tipper Gore trying to limit what music people can listen to. Which is why their are labels on music and video games saying these are not for kids.
I rather people be canceled for being bigoted twats than being gay, playing a pen and paper RPG, or for a political belief.
@@HellBent_ People getting canceled for bigotry isn't an issue, and that is what you see from libs/leftist.
Trump want to use government force to lock people who burn the US flag. That is government canceling people. Trump calling for peaceful protesters to be locked up.
That is scary and literally infringing on human rights.
@@HellBent_ a joke... that uses a slur is a bigoted joke. Jokes can be racist. Which if you look at the rise of the Alt right was in part due to bigoted jokes. It is a way they can mask their bigotry, it is just jokes bro. I wish I saved an article that showed how people like Richard Spencer was using "jokes" about blacks to spread their message.
And what people been cancelled for wasn't harmless comments. They been racist comments.
Pewdiepie... with the whole death to Jews joke is a joke, but is a bigoted joke. I don't think he is racist or hate Jews, but I have hard time wanting to defend him after he called someone the n word in heated gaming moment. It came out way to easy for him not to use fairly regularly. And the only people I know that use the N word that often where they can slip up like that are normally bigoted.
And since he is face of youtube with that joke, and that slip of the tongue, will hurt their bottom line. Companies don't want to be associate with that so they will pull ads. Thus taking money from youtube.
Part of his apology
" said the worst word I could possibly think of, and it just sort of slipped out. I’m not going to make any excuses as to why it did, because there are no excuses for it."
First half is an excuse, and i really don't buy it just slipped out, since he said he was thinking for the worst thing to say.
But I have to say he has done good since then, donating to BLM, and not slipping up. Again I don't think he is racist, but he might be... I don't know.
And most companies if one of their employees did that would be fired for creating a hostile work place. Which is a just firing. Because those foolish acts creates distrust and other negative BS with the company they worked for.
That is about close to over reaction i ever saw from libs/leftists with cancel culture... but UA-cam was going come down on him hard due to what I said about hurting the bottom line.
Many people who are against cancel culture feels entitled to a private owned platform.... and no one is. If you ask me that is where the real entitlement is.
I want to say you have very measured thoughts on this. But lets be real, business are the one with power to cancel people outside the government. Yes, the masses can influence a company protests, boycotts. Which to limit cancel culture could end up limiting people who are calling for people to be fired speech.
@@HellBent_ Yeah, my thing is anti bigotry. Insults are offensive speech but allow them so long the person insulting another isn't harassing them. If I called you dumb, fine. But if I went around and calling you dumb everywhere you went that is harassment. Or spamming it on social media.
So for me it isn't all offensive speech. It is just bigotry, and again I am not calling for government action. And those who want to outlaw hate speech I disagree with. Because if you do they will just go underground. And when underground it harder to know who is a bigoted jackwagon.
But if you try to limit "cancel culture" you would have to use government force to do so, I can't see it any other way of doing it. Because people if they don't like something they should, and have right to speak out about it. And a company should have right to fire someone that would bring bad PR to their company. Thus an actually violation of freedom speech, and freedom of association.
Your right to free speech doesn't trump a business freedom of association, or others right to speak out against you.
You don't have right to a job, if you violate that company HR policy. You don't have right to a privately own platform that you don't own. None of that violates people right to free speech if they get fired because people told your work place about you being racist, or if someone reports you to youtube, twitter for breaking tos. They have right to say what they want, others have right not to associate with you if you do.
Now ask yourself how can you stop "cancel culture" without violating others rights. I don't see how with out having some laws pass that would limit freedom of association, and speech. And for me that is much scary than bunch of individuals using their rights to speak out against someone, or not associating with someone.
Pyrion and Sips complaining about companies paying too much attention to reddit is pretty funny in light of them kicking Madcat out because of a reddit mob. Lewis just sits quietly and listens.
There is a big difference between kow towing to the Game of thrones sub because they guessed the ending and firing people who sexually batter or assault (reminder that assault includes threats and "jokes" towards someone in a sexual manner that was unwanted)
@@valerieblackwell5765 Sexual jokes are not sexual assault you absolute lunatic.
Yeah, they still mad about sjin and turps leaving
@@thegrandimperialist168 non consensual sexual jokes that make the target uncomfortable are. Look up the legal definition (which is what companies align their morality to)
@@valerieblackwell5765 Sexual jokes (non consensual as all jokes are) are not assault. The burden of proof is on you for such a ridiculous claim.
After you look and are unable to find evidence for such a claim, then consider why they kicked someone out of the Yogscast for making a few girls on the internet jokes.
Thought that said "It's time to bum reddit"...🤣😂
ur youtube channel is 14 years old wow
Dude, Pyrion, enough with the complaints. Maybe talk about things you like instead of staring at things you dislike & telling everyone how much you dislike staring at a bad thing.
I find it pretty ironic that 3 people part of one of Britain's biggest media groups don't know how to handle and use critisism.
Weird, but I quess that's part of their charm.
I’ve had dreams about having a beard. I get it Pflax. I get it.
I had a dream recently in which I'd accidentally shaved off my beard, and it felt exactly like those 'suddenly in my underwear at school' dreams
The problem with game development, especially indie but applies across the board, it the ability to make money. Game design is like every other entertainment industry the goal is to make money. There's a scope where it doesn't matter if you spend 12 months on a game or 3 year you'd make roughly the same amount of money. So what's happening are Game Devs rather than having a passion project that takes years are churning out 'bog standard' games with just enough development that they work but are ultimately boring in order to keep their revenue up. There's no way to tell if your game is just going to sub par average or sell exceptionally well, none at all its all guess work. So from their pov why spend three years on a game when they can spend one year on it and make roughly the same amount. There's no incentive for developers to really push and dedicate themselves to making a really great game.
That said if their game does do really well its often greatly improved over time, Minecraft been the best example but there are many others. If you look at the best selling Indie games on steam most of them have a varied amount of development time and there was no idea that they'd do as well as they have.
Lewis underestimates the passion and toxicity of spider-man twitter
Nicely positioned ad there when Flax is talking beano gags being a metaphor "you think there's gonna be more then there isn-"
I live In The IE (Inland Empire) and it’s pretty hectic. Homeless people are a big thing out here aswell.
As an American, I have no idea what they're talking about with it being hard to walk places here. Maybe it's just because I'm a Coloradan, but I walk places every time I have to go somewhere that's not too far away. Admittedly, I've never been to California--let alone L.A., but I've never been anywhere across the US where you couldn't walk anywhere you needed to go. When I was still going to high school, I'd walk 1.5 miles there and back every day, and I walk to the grocery store in addition to the restaurants near me all the time.
Greetings fellow American, I also walk everywhere.
Yeah bc colorado isn’t a desert.
They clearly haven't experienced enough of America to make a real call here.
it would be amazing if someone went through and time stamped topics and interesting moments for those who can't catch the full podcast or want to skip parts.
Drek is the bad guy from the first Ratchet and Clank game (if I remember correctly)
Every time sips mentions dude sim Alaska I get excited. They really need to get someone to make it
Game Idea: Zombie cleanup crew. The infection is long over, but theres still a few infested areas. Your job is to work with your team to clear them out. Theres no combat, everyone is vaccinated against the virus by now. Instead you have to lure the zombies into containment units so they can be cured later. Think that one episode of wallace and gromit with the rabbits, but with zombies.
I love you guys you are helping me through a difficult time
Pflax is right, Drek is an actual word, in multiple languages too!
Or "Dreck", e.g. in german.
No reddit user ever use the up/down vote system in the way it's intended. You're not supposed to downvote stuff just because you disagree with it, yet if you go against the grain on any popular opinion you can see your karma start to tank no matter how eloquently you phrase your arguments. Getting actual discussions going is also like pulling teeth, you can make a multiple paragraph post inviting counter-arguments, but the only thing you'll ever get in response is a one-line 'ur wrong' and a downvote. Trash site.
The immense amount of shit games that flood steam and stuff these days is 100% due to the ease of access to game dev tools.
In this day and age some Clive down in Slough can download a dev. Software and pump out a “game” in an afternoon and have it on steam next game.
The sips advert was perfect
I'm just super excited for how good Dude Sim Alaska 2 is gonna be with that billion in revenue to work with. Don't blow it all on anime games plz sips
Working from home is heaps better for the environment. Screw the service stations honestly
Reddit has got its problems for sure but its still the best platform we've got. I mean what's the alternative really? Some people might argue Twitter but personally I can't stand twitter, the layout imo has always sucked, methods of finding new content sucks, character limits I mean really?! It doesn't come close to reddit for my personally.
If we could get back to our regular scheduled broadcasting of Seinfeld and fart jokes and less of Pflax political rant time that would be great!
I'm surprised by how much I enjoy Element TD 2.
32:45 spooked me.
Iratus: Lord of the dead is just Darkest Dungeon, but your the villian. And It's good. If you like Darkest dungeon, you'll like Iratus. It's not a "Slay the Spire" type game. Their both turn based and rogue-likes, but still very different games.
If you don't like the graphics, fair enough. If it's not your type of game, fair enough. But saying it's not good because it's like slay the spire, but worse is not a fair comment. That's like saying "I don't like DOTA because it's like the Sims, but worse". Maybe that's a bit extreme, but it get's the point across.
Woo I really needed one of these today
ahahah on lewis's 2nd mention of sips hometown flight sim tour i watched it again.
Yeah, America was built for people but demolished for cars.
Listening with the Helltaker soundtrack playin. Good stuff. XD
Didn't they just rant about how much they didn't like skyscraper? Now they're angry about people reviewing and criticizing things?
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE DENNIS THE MENACE FANCLUB I NEVER GOT THE WALLET BUT I HAVE A COOL T-SHIRT WHICH STILL VAGUELLY FITS ME IT'S LIKE A CROP TOP BECAUSE I AM NOW FAT AND IT IS FOR AN 8 YEAR OLD
also next time you're at EGX check to make sure that the beano artists are there, they have been the last few times! You could go over and say hi! they're very grumpy!
I love private eye! I follow one of the cartoonists on twitter. It's so good all the investigations private eye do. It feels like "Why isn't everyone talking about this!" when they have the investigations into how tax is hidden and the money laundering done through UK banks.
I think it's the game of thrones ending which was changed because people guessed it, they were going to have sansa take the crown afaik
thats a very good and interesting episode to show to friends and recommend this podcast to them
Hmmm hey Flax maybe you could learn how to make video games and then make us the games we all want.
I can't believe after all this time Sips is still trying to make Dudebro Alaska Sim a real thing
man they sound particularly angry in this one
for real reddit is a mess
Yeah, haven’t watched the podcast yet but agree with the title. Reddit needs to end
how many people first heard drek from shrek is drek I wonder
Pyrion is getting rolled on this episode 😳
Pyrion has a furry gnasher? oh my
'Drek' is slav for poop
Just what I need while I clean🥰🥰
Can we have a long haired Lewis triangle head please? X
This episode : 1. The guys only think the US is LA and New York, and that sidewalks don't exist here. 2. Pyrion - comics are fun but are completely racist wow im virtuous. *but never said anything back then about it*. 3. Left wing comedy is so ground breaking journalistically but when held up to a microscope, "its just comedy man, cmon bro, cmon its funny haha laugh with me".
Christ, when did they become so woke? I only ever came for sips but this is embarrassing.
Wokeness really does spread like a cancer.
WTF is with all the ads this episode?
I agree with flax about the shit games on steam.
Am I the only US military listening to this?
so was it long enough to talk about Sjin or not?