Tips on Artistry | How the Vaganova taught me to Express!
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Hello Everyone!
Here are my initial thoughts on artistry! I am planning a course on this for the future on my website as there is much more in depth detail to this but I think it's often a subject which isn't fully understood both by students and teachers. Can you teach someone to be artistic? is it just something someone has? Can you bring it out of a student?
Let's discuss.
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I believe "it" is called the thing you can't teach because it is that person's self. You can't teach another person how to be their authentic self. You can't make another person care or have passion. Technique is the means in which one expresses themselves. It's like a palette and painting tools.
yes agree!
OMG yes PLEASE make a course on this!!! I'd love to specifically know how they go about teaching and developing this in students at Vaganova Academy.
It's in the works!
This is the video I was looking for! I wanted to cite this on a paperwork. I'm doing a Master's in Dance Teaching, but have been teaching for a decade. I teach artistry through getting students' attention to things like épaulement. Also, with music, I will say things like "can you hear when the music goes (...)? That's when you do allongée." And, like you said, that will not give them the star quality, but it will certainly change their understanding of the movement and, consequently, the way they execute it.
I believe we should do the barre with artiscm, too! Moreover artiscm is the key to make a simple movement telling a story or symbolising something! In my opinion a variation is something special when even the tiniest movements or movements of a part of the body are connected to each other and the music is put in the movement! The own personality should shine through the acting, too. In this way, it's enjoying to dance and watching the dance!
Respectfully, I disagree. Unless you're working on a role and really want to get into character, Barre and class should be done as a centering or neutralizing practice. When one is centered and in their own energy you can create and mold characters when needed. If everything is done with "artistry" it becomes inauthentic.
Vaganova technique is all about doing things artiscally as well as technically, you won't see a dancer lift their arm without their head for example, or "not" respond to the music. This is all artistry. You don't have to be a character to still move artistically. Artistry can also be so subtle, even though we are at the barre, you can breathe, use your arms and upper body showing your artistic expression. I think you are slightly limiting the range of what artistic expression is. :-)
Eluzabrth Weiss, couldn't agree more!
@@balletwithisabella i never understood all this until I met with a teacher who taught me Vaganova technique and there is so much to do epaulement even at barre that by the time I get to centre and performance time everything was just second nature.
I swear your voice is that of an angel
I’m really loving the thoughts and conversations this video has triggered!! I’ll reply soon. Keep them Coming ❤
100% agree on your analysis of the value of Character class for any dancer. In these traditional folk dances the expressive angles of the body show the passion and spirit of the countries portrayed. Just take a look at the Moiseyev Company videos. I think that a certain amount of Artistry can be cultivated and fostered by example, from your teachers and other dancers around you, but ultimately it needs to come from within, from your soul, to be authentic. I think music creates Artistry more than any other thing. Music tells you how to move, how to use your back, your head, your shoulders, your eyes....Technique can be trained. Artistry needs to come from within.
Great answer!
Folk dance is for the amateur folk. Character dance is theatricalized folk/ethnic dance which requires extended Ballet and Character dance training of many years. These two do not overlap. The value which Vaganova tradition gives to training and performance of Character Dance is marvelous, and well deserved, as are the reputation and professional skills of the Moiseyev and other Character dance companies. American schools need more authentic Character dance training, by authentic Character teachers. A noisy stamp of the foot does not make a Mazurka!
@@susanpaul4752 Hi! I beg to differ on one point, these two *do* overlap. Character dances were derived from "folk" dances since the beginning of time. They were not done by trained specialists but still definitely influenced the Character dances that we see today. I do agree however, that Character dance training in American schools is (for the most part) sadly lacking.
Plz make this course ASAP! I literally cannot wait and need your detailed tips so bad!
I'm planning it :-)
for me, in ballet class it helps to simply imagine that i'm performing. i pretend that i'm a role in a famous ballet like kitri or giselle and i act like it's my solo. it's fun, too!
I am sure you've probably already thought about this but I believe you're in a really great position to create a Vaganova teaching certificate type of program grades 1-8 and graduation level. I know that's a LOT to think about but it would be extremely valuable. I think about this as I see many companies doing contemporary work which is fine But the standards of classical ballet must be clearly understood . Sometimes when I take class and suggest to a student ( I was a professional dancer and teacher for many years) how to do the correct arms in a tour jete and they fling the arms through first and tell me, "I don't do that...(doing arms correctly that is) " , I think about how the classical vocabulary gets watered down and careless and how really necessary it is to again define and delineate what Vaganova style is and how it all works. Thank you again!
So wish I could push the like button more often than once. Well said 👏👏👏👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺
Can one differentiate between artistic expression, letting loose what you feel for yourself, and artistic performance, captivating others within what you feel? Essentially, is all expression a performance that only would-be performers can relate to?
Very interesting response! I think letting loose for yourself is what all humans can do to express their emotions within, the skill of an artist is to be able to bring that expression out in such a way, be it through movement or a painting or acting, the list goes on so that others around watching can not only understand what it is you are feeling but unlock those same emotions within themselves.
I’d love to hear your story sometime!! I enjoyed the video. You have a very calming voice. :) Yes, tutorial please! Esp use of head.
I very much enjoy your videos, thank you for making them. My professional life was in opera, retired many years now, but returned to ballet classes to maintain contact with music, really. I wonder if in ballet, as in opera, the expression has to be baked in from the very beginning, not a process of mastering a movement and then adding expression afterwards?
I heard that a "prima ballerina" appears once each ten years. What do you say about that? Why Dishneva, Zakharova or Guillen are so much above average?
At Vaganova they appear every year haha! But I think the very very special ballerinas who have something extra are every few years or so.
Thanks again for the Video ❤️❤️My feedback always starts with "the artistry is excellent but..." I was even told to forget artistry completely at the lesson to the level of not moving my head/eyes/chest at all during the whole class in order to "get everything 100% correct" ...I don't think I am "too much" or "wrong" at all, I only do the basic épaulements at most... Do you have to forget artistry to improve techniques? Are those 2 even separatable? I'm so confused... 😳😳😳
This what Kamila Valieva has as a figure skater. She has "IT."
You feel the Russian nature very subtly 😊