Hugh Makes a Decision
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Geordi and Picard ask Hugh if he wants to stay with them or go back home with the Borg. Hugh, not understanding that he has a choice says that he must go back with the Borg. After Picard and Geordi explain that he has a choice in the matter, Hugh says that he would like to stay with Geordi, but that it can not happen because the Borg will never stop looking for him. Not wanting to put his friends in danger, Hugh decides to go back with the Borg.
0:44 He is essentially saying in his own way "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" This is what leads him to his choice to go back to the Borg. He fears that the Borg will come for Geordi and everyone else he has befriended on the Enterprise, as well as everyone else they know and care for. he placed their needs above his own.
Sadly, just like real life.
I just noticed that. Hugh understands Spock’s greatest belief.
Its way deeper than that. What he is saying is that moral relativism is WRONG. That one collective/group can be morally wrong compared to another group, and so the individuals you weigh the happiness of can be excluded based on their moral character.
He is a little gay for Geordi.
@@seanwebb605 Really?
Self-sacrifice. The highest virtue of individuality. Magnificent.
1:13 _"Choose . . . . . what I want . . . ."_
That has to be an incredible concept for a Borg.
Believe or not, it is an incredible concept for many human beings, even in our real world. I think thats what Hugh's character is exploring here, the ability to think for ourselves, to make decisions on our own.
We humans take it granted that we only live for ourselves, deciding our own paths. When in actuality it takes a very hard work and a lot of time to realize who we are and what we actually want.
Space Communists aren't that different from real Communists in that regard.
I'm in my mid 30s and I still have trouble choosing what I want I never properly learnt how to make life decisions
@@Knowbody42 It's amazing how despite his communist sympathies Roddenberry managed to convey the beauty of individuality through Hugh.
And then he went back with the Borg to the Delta Quadrant, he liberated a large group of Borg drones and formed a group of individual Borg known as the Cooperative.
+RED Soldier Wasn't that the group Chekoti ran into?
Andrew Singleton Nope. The Cooperative is a non-playable faction in the game Star Trek Online, introduced in the Delta Rising expansion. They travel through the Delta Quadrant, freeing Borg from the Collective in order to end their reign of terror and allow the galaxy to be a slightly safer place.
+Redis the Kestora No, you are confusing the two groups.
The Cooperative was a group of former drones separated from the Collective because of an accident (an electrocinetic storm hit their cube and created a short circuit; about 1100 drones died but 8000 were separated from the hive mind and colonised a planet in the Delphic Expance).
Here Hugh was found from an other cube, it has not to do with the one of the Cooperative.
See you soon.
Guido.
Guidogregotti Then how do you explain Hugh actually being _with_ the Cooperative when you encounter them in Star Trek Online? From the looks of it, he pretty much leads the Cooperative.
I have not seen the videogame, probably an alliance, even if I have some news about this game,
I just realized something that I'd never noticed till now, something that makes Hugh's choice all the more profound. Throughout the episode we hear him with a double voice of sort, a side effect of his augmentations. But that final word, that 'yes'... It's in just his natural voice. Hugh, the organic being still inside that augmented form, made that choice purely of his own volition with no input from his mechanical parts.
Yeah, he's a fruitcake
No it doesn't. You wrote all that because of what you thought you heard, a year ago now. I hope that during this time you have 1. thought about what you have done. 2. Gotten your hearing checked. 3. Updated your entrainment system and or phone to accommodate superior audio components so you may listen with detailed clarity in the future. I am very disappointed with your comment and i will be awarding zero stars as you have failed.
@@nepntzerZer Hahahahahahahaaaaa!!! Nice!!! ASSIMILATE!!! ASSIMILATE!!!!!!
@Apsoy Pike No.. he sound like the Borg lol
Unfortunately, I can hear the voice doubling effect when he says "yes". To be fair though, it's _very_ hard to hear, as the sample it's applied to is short in length. That being said, I think the meaning you took from it is still entirely valid, and that he is making this choice on his own.
Even when given the chance to be liberated from the Borg, he chooses to go back in order to keep his friend Geordi as well as the rest of the enterprise crew safe from Borg pursuit.
#Respect
Not only is it beautiful that Hugh chooses the safety of Geordi over his personal wishes.. it's incredible that members of Starfleet would risk themselves to protect the wishes of a single Borg drone. All to uphold an ideal of a humanity that will fight to the end for even a single life. Even the life of a perceived enemy.
It's what makes Star Trek so special, and what makes nu-Trek such a disappointment. I miss the optimism and idealism, it was a defining part of my childhood.
we have people here on Earth who are worse than the borg, sending people to death without any problem
Especially Picard, as Locutus he personally destroyed 39 starship and over 11,000 lives at Wolf 359, and he remembered it all. The Borg kidnapped him tortured and m altered him basically full mind a body rape and forced him to kill. To the time here, takes a strong man to let "your enemy" make the choice
What I like about this was that Picard had to put on the "Locutus" facade and truely make Hugh realise that the way forward isn't assimilating all life, it's living life to the fullest as one.
That scene still gives me the chills
This was one of the saddest, most tear-jerking episodes i have ever seen in all of star trek...if not THE most...
+Daniel Cannata Hugh recognizes...the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. He is sacrificing himself, virtually everyone believes this (including Hugh), to save the Enterprise.
Mine was when Data's Lal died...
The Ressikan flute...
Sarjenka's plea for help...
"I should have done this years ago." "You were always welcome."
Lal's death...
Picard and Robert in the mud...
This episode was good but can't hold a candle to any of the moments mentioned above.
@@Tigerman1138 That's because he loves Geordi. I never felt that Hugh was concerned about the ship and its crew so much.
Agreed
This is friendship. This is someone who has been brought up to believe something starts thinking and feeling for themselves.
youtube: lets recommend this 9 years and 3 days later
Appropriate considering Hugh just died on the Picard series!
10 years 1 month 14 days later give take a few seconds.
It's always so sad that Hugh made the decision to return to the Borg. You can really see it in his one human eye when he says "Yes." He doesn't want to go back, but he has to so his friend Geordi will be safe (for a time, at least...) And that last second when he beams away with the Borg, and looks at Geordi. Always gives me the chills. So powerful in that final moment, that he would remember his friend.
you can also hear it in his voice. When Geordi asks if this is what he really wants, Hugh says "yes." but not in a borg voice, where as if there are multiple people talking at the same time saying the same thing, but in a normal voice that doesn't have any other "collective" voice to it.
I like to think that Hugh hadn't lost his individuality, that there was a person inside there, when he glanced at Geordi. I think it was to dangle the hope the his presence would alter the Borg collective, and undo their hive mindset. I haven't watched Picard yet, so I'm not sure it Hughs reintegration eventually had this effect.
I never noticed that about his voice before. Later episodes of TNG have borgs separated from the collective because of the sense of individuality Hugh brought back with him. And he has a real presence in some early episodes of Star Trek: Picard.
It looks like Hugh learned the lesson of friendship... all too well. He sacrificed himself to prevent the collective from coming after him and harming Geordi and the crew of the Enterprise. 😭
It’s amazing how, with Hugh displaying free will, the dynamic shifted from a question of freedom or collection to self-sacrifice or self-preservation. A very human question.
It seems like they are not very good at free will actually. Geordi says, “…we’re GIVING you a choice”. If they valued him, they would say, ‘we will honor your choice’, ‘it is your choice’, etc.. It is interesting to see the difference between those who think rights are constructed horizontally, vs. those who think they must be respected horizontally.
Hugh was a fantastic character and deserved a far better fate than what he got.
I agree, Hugh deserved better than what he got in Picard. We could’ve had a Geordi/Hugh reunion in Season 3.
Jordi and Hugh, the first interstellar bromance.
Not really.
Cutest borg ever!
I didnt cry Until I saw that look of Raw emotion in Patrick Stewarts face. Sadness, Admiration for someone he started out hating, love for that person, and finally......Rage. Rage at the Collective for taking this innocent soul away. Rage because he can't save Hugh unless he is prepared to sacrifice others. Rage....because the Borg got one thing right and he knows it : the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. All that mixed into one look. Jesus how did I not realizs this watching this as a child. Only now watching these again do I fully appreciate this series.
Hugh even references the "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" philosophy. xD
Which is interesting, since it's the central aspect of many political systems... things can be pushed too far.
We could also assume it might have been rooted in an issue of peer pressure. Basically, the many can overwhelm the few with their preferences.
It gets really 'fun' when you examine the borg collective as an expression of democracy. 😉
@@jasoncarswell7458 True, Spock & Hugh showed us how to apply that philosophy the right way, whereas the Borg demonstrates the point where it has been push way too far.
@@jmwoods190 Yea. The Borg are basically the ultimate communists; militant communists, as well, basically.
IMAGINE IF HUGH HAD STAYED, GONE TO STARFLEET ACADEMY AND BECOME THE FIRST BORG IN STARFLEET!!!!!!!!!
STEJTHEGREATEST well the Borg would „rescue“ him
They would probably help him to become a human again just like they did with Annika (7 of9)
@@ichtrageheiderkleider6780 That's what Hugh thinks but pretty much as soon as he got back, the individuality he learned from Geordi ended up corrupting the other Borg in his cube and they were cut off from the Collective. It would have been interesting if he went back to Alpha Quadrant after that, but he decided it was more important to liberate other Borg
@@jangtheconqueror hugh is in Picard
Well, now we know that Hugh stayed in Kelvin timeline and went on to lead the Borg reclamation project!
And that, my friends, is what love is.
Diamond Grader I want to know what love is. I want you to show me.
well played
You will be assimilated. Your love will be added to our own.
It says something when a borg can learn more humanity in a week than some people can in their whole lives
Stephen Furlong The T-800 in T2 learned about humanity, friendship, and even emotion in the span of perhaps 36 hours...and in amounts greater than many could in a lifetime.
@@Tigerman1138 And don't forget Bishop from Aliens. He had been far more human than a human Burke! And of course Data, who would've probably found commonality with Hugh!
If Levar Burton is on the new show and the showrunners don't give Geordi and Hugh a tearjerking reunion scene complete with a big hug, I will NOT be pleased.
This didn't age too well...
Watch out Data, Geordi's got a new best robo friend.
He still goes back, but the important thing is that HE made the CHOICE to do so. He thought about it and came to his own decision. That is the crux of this moment. What Hugh WANTS and NEEDS as an individual is that the people of the Enterprise not have to be in an eternal game of cat and mouse with the Borg. So I see it more as how Kirk said, "The needs of the One were more important."
It's called "integrity".
A whole movie can be based on this episode and it would be beautiful. I wish
I could write a script where Hugh commands a Borg vessel and swoops in to save the day from perhaps species 8472.
The one species that can actually destroy the Borg?
star trek online, he is a member of a borg cooperative.
@@rjframe4410 He's the founder.
Or an alteration to First Contact where instead of Data saving Picard, Hugh fires a disruptor at the queen and kills her.
You got your wish.
Hugh has a Borg Cube in Picard.
"I would choose to stay with Geordi."
But instead he met with Picard after long time, let's hope Geordi'll meet him again in Picard series
A very noble decision. He understood he would prefer to stay, but he cares too much about Geordi to endanger him.
Also: There's a theme of breaking through doublespeak here. Reminding him of words you can use to express forbidden concepts.
It's cool that they are continuing the Hugh storyline in the new Picard series.
Be prepared that he will look very differently. They will probably change his entire costume, his entire appearance. His final scene on TNG was? Season 6? So that will be somewhat 25 years later?
It will be interesting to find out what happened to him on that planet but also shocking if he gets a too extreme change of look & behavior.
Oh jesus, really? That is going to suck.
Hugh would have made a better borg crew member than Seven of Nine did.
I agree. Sadly, it's hard to compete with Jeri Ryan and her two voluptuous ti.....I mean acting talent.
Hugh might have been on a par with Seven of Nine. Nobody batted an eyelid at Spock's logical thought processes. It's obvious he was assimilated late in life, whereas Seven was assimilated as a 6 year old. As a consequence she was more of a tactician and fighter than Hugh, but Hugh would have more of his humanity from the moment he "disconnected" from the Borg collective permanently
You, sir, have obviously missed the point as to the circumstances surrounding Jeri Ryan's casting.
Crowbar, catsuit...you’re on love
Jeri Ryan.... An unfortunate casting decision.
In the end the Borg regretted taking him back. His individuality started to spread to the collective.
David Henderson Regret is irrelevant. They were following procedure.
"you are many, I am one"
"not quite, we are all one, but we choose to be many"
He back in Picard! and he looks VERY cool!
yeah....
((Lmao, as an abuse victim this was the single saddest part of the episode for me. Hugh's first decision for himself in his entire life, and he chooses to return to a place where he has no voice of his own because it's still safer than going against them.))
It really showed how far he came. His first choice, and he chose to sacrifice his free will to protect his friends. And then he started a Borg rebellion, because even the Borg couldn't destroy his newfound individuality. Hugh is actually a pretty awesome character.
As an abuse victim, why would you "laugh your arse off"? You think abuse is funny?
JanetFunkYeah Every abuse is different. Just because one person chose to laugh doesn't mean you can just generalize it by using the term "You think abuse is funny". Besides, only the victim of each case can answer that question.
Or maybe he/she just misspelled some other phrase. Who knows. Try not to go 100% serious defensive mode so easily though.
Jagar Tharn racist codes? Are you ok dude?
@Jagar Tharn What the fuck, man?
Hugh knows what Asylum is but not Doctor.
If they assimilate species and learn about them by doing so then they should know a lot more things like what choice is and what friendship is.
"Hugh will assimilate your fish, captain"
Dumb Comment Do BORG ever attempt to assimilate non-sentient (on a large scale) animals? Fish for example?
@@Tigerman1138 I don't know, in the TV saga I have never seen such a thing.
In a novel written by William Shatner, we see two assimilated Labrador Retrievers, but I have never seen animal assimilated by Borg.
Guido.
Tigerman1138 no they don’t. They only assimilate species that are technologically advanced and ways of doing things that the borg didn’t previously know of
"I would choose to stay with Geordi".
Thus setting up the spin-off sitcom 'Geordi and Hugh', about two opposite friends and roomates in the Federation. LOL!
It would have been great to see hugh as part of the crew
Wow! One word! ..."Noble".
This is from Star Trek TNG: Season 5, Episode 23. "I Borg"
Best episode of the series.
Free Will is universal so powerful Star Trek is the best television show ever produced
rolf stamenov Assuming it exists as we understand it, if at all. Star Trek isn't a television show either. It's a brand.
Hugh is so adorible. OH I WANT HIM!!! XD
This is the episode that bothered me in terms of how Picard was in First Contact. Certainly, he was suffering from PTSD, and irrational anger can be a symptom, but he knew. He'd been rescued from the Borg, Hugh (who had apparently been born into the collective) had developed individuality and a conscience. He knew that assimilated drones could be freed, and he still killed members of his own crew under the theory that they'd rather be dead than Borg.
Then Lilly calls him "Captain Ahab," and it suddenly made sense: he'd gone so far around the bend that everything he *knew* took a back seat to everything he *wanted to believe*: that he could hurt the Borg, could have revenge, could apply a simple solution (violence) to a complicated problem and expect the results to be anything other than disastrous.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I just realised this is what he was saying. Holy crap mind blown.
Imagine if he chose to stay. By nature of Hugh being there, the Enterprise and the Federation would be in danger. But by the same token, I think it would also give them an advantage. With the study of Borg technology, there could've been many breakthroughs and advancements that could help resist another invasion. Having a Borg Drone with its individuality returned to it in Star Fleet would have a profound impact.
Borg would be very useful as communication officers.
Instantaneous communication across the galaxy
Notice how the borg would chase down and rescue even a single drone, even though you'd think that would be pointless: Why risk any more drones, a ship, an entire cube perhaps, for one drone? It's a fascinating inversion of the recurring theme of "The needs of the many": you'd think if anyone took that saying to heart, it would be the borg, but they repeatedly discredit it and go to great lengths to bring drones home.
It's part of what makes the borg such an interesting and compelling villain: whatever else they are, they're a _family_ : the collective brings safety and kinship to everydrone, and they miss it when they're disconnected, and their family will risk life and limb to bring their family back home to that safety.
i see your point
Everybody loves Jordy.
Aside rrom Data Hugh is one of my favorite characters in the franchise.
Look at this dude he has the sun in his eye
Is there a reason they all believe that the Borg will never stop pursuing Hugh, while also believing the Borg have stopped pursuing Captain Picard? If Picard can get away with being ex-borg, why can't Hugh? Why is Enterprise safe with Picard on board but they can't liberate Hugh in the same way?
(Haven't seen full episode in long time so maybe there is a reason I've forgotten.)
Care for others at one selfs personal risk. This is what we all should care about, not economic or ego driven drives. Star Trek follows Roddenberry’s ideals. This is why the show attracts so many.
One lump ? Not good enough, dammit ! I want two lumps in my coffee..
Loved this episode! 😊
I saw an episode somewhere that Data's evil twin was involved with. Hugh goes back and his individualism is as fatal to the collective as Picard had hoped. A great many of them follow Hugh and Data's brother Lore, to a planet where they establish their own colony. It doesn't end well for them as I recall.
HUGH is SO cool!!
Picard: uh hugh I'm human again I left
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Didn't know I could feel empathy for a Borg
That last look picard gives is the " he broke away on his own something i couldent do , realizes the danger of the collective and the value of what he has learned and would bravley return to the collective just for one man against his own wishes knowing he will lose himself again " look followed by the thought of even i cant stand up to that or do that.
very good scene
Imagine an alternate version where Hugh chooses to stay on the Enterprise. They strip off most of his tech parts, and we gat a male version of 7 of 9. Before Janeway rehabs 7 of 9 back to humanity. We could have had this guy finding his Hugh-manity.
I will forever believe that not giving him the self destruct geometry was the moral equivalent (and far FAR worse objectively speaking) of not stopping the Holocaust because doing so would required the death of a single innocent German child.
Why didn’t they just remove his cybernetics like seven or Picard? That would have made it so he was disconnected
They probably could of faked Hugh's body being vaporised on the surface...
Could *have* faked ...
There is no "of" in that construction of a sentence. What you people hear is "Could've" from "Could have". The ['ve] is not to be replaced by "of", ever!
Except the borg may have ludicrous capability to detect a fake, along with any tracking device on hugh
@DrMadolite
actualy, i have a further piece of the puzzle, the borg come back full strenght and attack the federation again in Star trek online, i think Hugh may have lead a splinter group away from the borg and to the federation where they were "liberated", as the battle group attacking the borg has a large number of liberated borg drones serving in it, he might even be one of the leaders, im not sure.
How Geordi almost became a daddy.
They made the wrong call here. All it took was for the Borg to encounter one advanced race like the Iconians, and it's game over for the Federation. They were lucky that the Borg were roughly on their technological level when they met during TNG.
aww sad :( Hugh learns about sacrifice...
0:00 Wonder if that security guard was nervous, being alone with Hugh???
Home... he probably doesn't understand the concept any more
it is curious in voyager Commander Janeway did not want to hear the opinion of seven of nine and literally forced her to be disassimilated.
That's Voyager for you. It's full of moral quandaries with no right answers, Janeway did what she thought was right for the situation.
bullshit!!!!!! instead of getting rid of her outright, aunt Kathy opted to follow security advice of Chakotay and in such decision and action she gave Seven opportunity to live a true life that had been stolen from her partly because of the arrogance of her parents as stated in VOY:Raven episode.. whereas there´s lil´ to none known about Hugh.. You gotta consider that Seven had been raised by the Borg and she almost completely identified herself with it.. not to mention that many times she was absolutely right in her views about human ways, things and customs.. like when she played a game with janeway and sais - "Impossible is a word humans use far too often".. (episode Hope and Fear). Seven of Nine is a briliant figure with way broader framework of characteristics, talents, emotions and features that Hugh and to deal with them can hardly be compressed into a single episode !! And there of course is One.. from episode "Drone".. , Icheb, Mezoti (i omit the twins the weren´t seen much)..
Damn, here comes the tears again🙁😭
74 borgs liked this.
One Borg
Many Borg
There is no "Borgs" ...
0:00 Someone shoulda said, YOU AREN'T GONNA ASSIMILATE THE FISH, ARE YOU, HUGH??????
He didn't have to stay in the show as a character (although, as you know, he does return to the show once more in his drone form).
"no borg leaves the collective" picard: "ya know what geordie fuck it, send him back he's pissing me off"
volume too low
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...
I felt that too. It was likely a reference.
I WISH HE CHOSE TO STAY!! 😭😭😭💔💔💔
the best acting on television ever is Star Trek...........
what i never got with Hugh,why doesn't he remember the time before being assimilated? could it be he is a Pure Born Borg, somehow created in a lab (fertilization clinic style) and grow up in a Maturation chamber?
Borg assimilate, they do not do cloning. It's likely he was assimilated as a child with no memories that could be recalled at the surface level.
Or a brother. :) in my version, Hugh stayed.
Its like explaining electricity to the Amish
Choice?
I dont have ...Choice
Do I?
*BSOD*
I Borg. (Season 5, Episode 23.)
The borg would assimilate the new data from Hughs experience so it is easier for them to get a hold on the enterprise. They should have turn him back to his original state.
Remember the time thousands of Enterprises were brought to one location and we witnessed one of them from the universe where the Borg were everywhere. It was because Hugh chose to go with them.
where do you know that?
I don't think I've seen that episode. name?
do you know the episode where the enterpise first makes contact with the borg , i have some weird nostalgia and i want to watch it :)
freewill....
Well where is your dead Rabbit then?
It should of been cool if Hugh should of stay in the enterprise, he should of added a lot of powerful tech
@shadow11479 You're right, and actually the story develops further in the last STO expansion (Delta Rising), where *SPOILER ALERT* Hugh is indeed leading a faction of liberated Borg known as the Cooperative. Their goal is no longer to assimilate sentients, but only to offer them to willingly join the Cooperative in order to experience life as a Borg. During the campaign, they also help the player fight off the expansion's main antagonist, the Vaadwaur. *SPOILER ALERT*
Did they got killed when they fought the vaadwaur? I hope not.
bigblockman11 No, they emerge victorious like the rest of the allies you gathered in the course of the storyarc, then they presumably leave to go on with their original goal of freeing more Borg from the original Collective and offer them the gift of free will.
Good because the last time I met them their ship weapons is so weak.
@DrMadolite Hugh becoming the leader would have been a great twist for First Contact that having that stupid Borg Queen
its a cooperative, so its "leaderless", it uses the borg hive mind tech to basically take a vote on everything. basically its a representative republic with every instantly able to provide and discuss all facets of society at all times.
I wonder how this conversation affected Picard's mental state??
All the comments about "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - wasn't the only Starfleet philosophy presented. Look up the scene in TOS where McCoy annoyingly responds to Spock about an entity that is killing millions "To save 10 allow 5 to die - is that your simple logic Mr Spock?" - Kirk is as always looking for 'that third alternative'. I prefer that ideal, the ideal of looking for the win-win scenario rather than one of many win-lose or lose-lose outcomes.
Can a borg be kinda cute?
Borg as Bodhissatva
00:44 Nice Spock callback.