UPDATED VIDEO HERE ua-cam.com/video/tyFqMCjvsAk/v-deo.html FROM THE 1ST APRIL 2020 The Grant for chargers is DROPPING from £500 to £350 This video was uploaded October 2019 so please adjust prices mentioned in video! I've also now switched to sending people to evnick.com/charge as they will find the BEST national prices for you... I'm now reviewing EVERY charger made so check out my reviews and this video will be remade SHORTLY. For octopus deals check out evnick.com/energy
I know it's personal preference, but I have a choice of a Zappi or an EO mini pro. I don't have solar, nor am I likely to anytime soon, so will just be looking at a straight comparison of which is the best charger. What would you go for if you had this choice, and why, ie which charger in your opinion is the better one?
Really good, honest video which I found very informative. Until now I had no idea some models require an earht rod (or more than one!) so that's good to understand. Thanks for posting! 👍
Pod Point one of the most reliable and safest ones.on the market ,.great customer service . Same price for 7 klw tethered or unthetherd £359. They do their own insulation and in my case it was a brilliant neat job
Just had a 7kw Podpoint installed. Cannot fault the application process with email support and quick installation. (He had to drill through two walls and didn't have a problem). I wish they would push through and update to have scheduled charging! keep up with the competition or they'll lose the race and sales.
An excellent video. Thank you. It would be terrific to see an updated video now that at least one of these chargers has been updated. I would love to see how the EO Pro 2 compares with the Zappi when charging an EV exclusively using rooftop solar.
Video is on its way! Just getting a collection of the chargepoint sent to me hoping to film and reccord it start of new year maybe Feb with a 4 week release time
@@NicolasRaimo THANK YOU. This is excellent news. We are buying our first EV in approximately March and want to charge only from our 6.6 Kw rooftop solar. In Australia we have limited options of both EVs as well as chargers. The Zappi is available and I know it charges very well using solar only. The EO Pro 2 has only just gone on sale and though it can charge only from solar, I can't find much information about this. I have subscribed and I look forward to your future videos. Thanks.
The Tesla unit shown, doesn't connect to the internet. However, you can control the charger (stop and start) from the Tesla app through the car's correction to the internet
I am an electrician and I reiterate all the work is in the 1st rod. Once that is done, screwing an extra rod and banging it down is not difficult. I think pricing at £50 foe each extra rod is taking advantage of a customers lack of knowledge. By the way the contractor who installed my Rolec including the earth rod was less than £200 after the £500 allowance
Each earth rod which is put in the ground faces the same risk as the first one, checks still need to be completed before installing one, then extensive testing and inspection after it’s in the ground.
How things have changed, Ocopus prices now now is: Eco 7 Electricity Day unit rate: 39.04 p/kWh Night unit rate: 22.71 p/kWh Standing charge: 24.12 p/day Electricity Unit rate: 35.33 p/kWh Standing charge: 24.03 p/day
The prices quoted of 5p and 14p where NOT for eco7, Octopus best deals are smart deals using a smart meter see evnick.com/energy for best unit rates... currently as i write this an offpeak rate of 7.5p and 30.15p PEAK means for my ev charging i pay an average unit rate on a month of 19.20p and the CHEAPEST fixed anywhere is 36p for my area.
Earth rods not always needed. Completely depends on supply earthing arrangement. Zappi has a CT that monitors the CPC and will trip when the voltage rises to a dangerous level.
@@NicolasRaimo There's now a solar diversion version of the EO unit as well now so those that want a nice clean looking unit can have solar charging too.
@@deanfielding4411 Theres a chance if you lose the neutral supply to your house with a PME system that the vehicle body would be live and you touching the bodywork on a rainy day would then be the neutral conductor.. I assume if this was the case the new charge points would not allow the car to charge. I made my own charger so can't comment on how the different chargers work
When we got our charge point installed, we went for untethered because of concerns over wear-and-tear on the cable. However after a year of use, I’d now go for a tethered unit, because when it’s been raining you get wet and mucky unplugging and stowing the charging cable in the car.
Am split, I prefer the visuals of not having cable wrapped round the outside but... it’s also a bit of a pain to wrap cable up when it’s belting down with rain ☔️
How do you arrive at £50 for each “extra” rod as they cost about £6 and take 5 min to install. All of the work is in the first rod in terms of wiring and location of initial rod
Michael Joseph £50 is a very fair price, if you want to instal your one you’re more than welcome to, but there are many factors we have to cover including the fact we usually can’t fit another job in afterwards, ground scanner, the fact that it usually disturbs driveways and con include builders work to make good. They don’t take 5 min to install properly.
The price of an earth rod may be low, but it’s the fitting and testing which can add up considerably. They need to test the ground below to ensure they’re no electricity cables or water/gas mains which could lead to a catastrophic disaster, I think £50 is a pretty good price!
As above but 3 people beat me to it... 5 minutes to shove it in ground but wouldn’t you rather than check there’s no pipes, cables or gas main... and if they lifted flags etc.. would you rather them leave the site as they found it or a mess? I’ve seen some installers charge £35 per earth rod but left such a mess it cost the house owner more to fix the issues they left
It's either patented or secret - the two are mutually exclusive. The whole point of the patent system is to get people to reveal stuff which they might otherwise want to keep secret.
haha sorry its been in my brain to make this video for a good 12 months plus but timescale and also getting all the units in one place has been tricky sorry its late!
Hi Scot, how do you mean the other 60 plus comments seemed to of followed the video... maybe if I give you the context... these are electric car chargers which you fit to your home if your have an electric car
The Zappi has a 12 week delay from ordering to arrival, I am hoping to get mine delivered here in France before Brexit, as then I will have to pay duty and customs handling charge. I am getting one because I have solar panels, be interested to know how many EV owners also have solar.
Are all these chargers ASEFA ev ready as required by Renault and nissan. (For people how don't know this is protection for welded electrical contacts in the vehicle main contactor)but generally ev chargers are far safer way of refueling compared to fossil vehicles
No word about dynamic load balancing? That is on top of my checklist for my next charger. Very important if you potentially use a lot of devices at the same time (cooking, charging, boiler). Zappi has that, and can also be used in a master/slave setup, if you have two chargers (correct me if I'm wrong on this). Especially important if you want to charge a Zoe at 22kW.
Clemens you’re correct! The Zappi is able to dynamically adjust its charging rate depending on the house lid to avoid tripping the main house fuse! EcoPlugg also sets this up as standard as part of the install.
There’s a video all about zappi on my channel from launch about zappi2 which goes into finer detail, issue with going into everything in a video like this is for some people it doesn’t apply or interest them and people won’t watch videos that are over a certain time so I tried to get as much info on the charge points I could while keep it light and fresh
@@NicolasRaimo If you're talking about overheating not one part from plug to plug is even warm. I've also had many responses from Tesla owners who only use 3 pin.
@@derekbland5253 there is other safety conditions of charging a DC device and earthing issues plus there’s a few other big reasons see this weeks video not only that your buying a tesla.. a £43,000 car at least and worrying about paying for a charge point come on!
@@derekbland5253 it’s a requirement under olev to supply a method of charging your EV, Renault and other car makes fit a free home charger for you instead of the cable, the 3 pin cable is ok for very in frequent use in an emergency 🚨 get out of jail card so to speak. See this weeks video I got experts and researched the facts to the end of earth
Interesting question, perhaps:. How many months or years would an average driver using each home charger at an average electricity price take to break even over paying public charger tariffs? A few real-world examples might be the best way to show the information. Thanks chaps.
home charging connivance is priceless so unable to put a value on that. Your home electric costs are fixed for a set period of time where public charging is not. But 2500kwh for a year on octopus go is £125 plus home charger Public charging can range from 15p to 40p if we go in at say 25p which is lower than the average but more likely if NOT using rapids 2500kwh is £625 but no home charger. but thats just YEAR 1. Also while there's a public charge grant prices shown included governments OLEV £500 grant so its worth snapping it up while you can.
Zappi can handle this quite easy but 2 EV chargers is only 64amps anyway so unless your using an electric shower same time as charging or have a low main fuse should be no issue
@@NicolasRaimo thanks adding another Zappi was top of the options. Our supply is fuse is only 63A, hence Zappi load sharing is probably the best option.
zappi can load share easy, even if your other charger isn't a zappi it can load share depending on your houses use with its CT clamp, contact EcoPlugg and ask for George who can explain this in more detail
3 months ago a PHEV arrived to complement a Nissan Leaf. Only 1 garage space, 25 ft Clipper Creek L2 unit. After an evaluation period, I elected for a J-1772 21 ft extension cable vs. costly electric upgrade & 2nd EVSE. While the original cable would reach it involved parking the Leaf behind the Ioniq PHEV blocking access. Not a big deal except with rain, snow, cold wx conditions an inconvenience. For about $200 USD this has been the lowest cost, very convenient and no need to valet cars. With the length, the garage is accessible while charging the second car. The Ioniq takes about 2:15 to charge; the Leaf goes days w/o charging and then it’s about 3:00 or so for my driving needs. Best wishes and good luck in the search for a solution to your needs. Thanks
Slightly aside but I cannot understand how the government AFR at 4p per mile for business users is any kind of incentive to drive a EV when even on a low overnight tariff rate it costs you more than you can claim eg. £14 full charge / 180 mile range = 7p per mile.
Your getting the 2 things wrong way round you can claim for business use on your personal car the full 40p. The 5p rate is for using your work provided car for personal use
@@NicolasRaimo nope. I’m taking only about the AFR (advisory fuel reimbursement rate) which is 4p per mile for EVs. This means if I pay the charging costs (home / public) I can only recover business mileage at 4p per mile! Company car not personal car
@@EVil-ob8in I think your looking at it wrong Please see www.att.org.uk/electric-cars-afrs-workplace-charging Which is about AFR if driving a company car However if it’s a personal owned car you use for business it’s at 45p a mile as outlined on www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-business-travel-mileage/rules-for-tax
I only picked chargepoints I’d recommend to my subscribers, my channel is based on me being honest and fair and I can’t honestly recommend rolec from personal experience with them, EcoPlugg can fit them on request however
@@NicolasRaimo Fair Enough Nicolas...from asking questions on a couple of EV forums I beleive some earlier ones did have probs with faulty components but consensus seems to be that its been sorted and current ones are fine...I respect your opinion though and keep up the good vids :)
They fixed the issue with the RCD yes however there are other issues within rolec when I spoke to group of OLEV installers and people who used to fit them I’ve asked rolec for interviews and comment in past and been promised they’d meet and then get the cold shoulder, never had this issue with any other charge make
Hi it would help if the video covered the connectivity aspect of wall chargers bas well. Which are sim.enabled and what is the cost of ownership long term where wall chargers have sim rather than WiFi connection
The remit of this video was to give as much info as possible about the most amount of chargers on market. I’ll attempt to tear into each charger 1 by 1 this year as companies send me there’s for testing
Can these chargers be mounted on a post instead of a wall? My driveway is a good three metres distant from my house, so a charger on a post would be the preffered option.
Yes some have dedicated post made by the manufacturer others your mount of a wooden stake message EcoPlugg for a quote let them know I sent you to claim your £15 discount and there sort a price out when they call you!
the smart tech so to speak isnt in the EO its in the hub and there's just switching in the main housing also stuff like zappi has in built RCD and other protections where again EO mini its fitted somewhere else
Help me please! I’m tossing up between zappi 2 @ £780 installed or Pod-Point @ £600 installed. Have a Tesla model 3 that has timing function etc. Is there any reason to get the zappi over the pod-point? No plans for solar or anything like that.
Between them 2 it’s a no brainier get the Zappi use rightcharge.co.Uk/evnick for a quote see if price comes better. I have an in-depth review of Zappi due in 3 weeks if you can wait! But in summary you have the chance of solar but even if not you can take advantage of using octopus go and agile and have the charger react to price changes see my video about getting paid to charge your car!
Because the car apps are less than reliable on most car platforms also the time is best on the car company server if there is a breakdown with server it can mean it doesn’t charge or charges at wrong time
Am personally not a rolec fan so I’ve never really recommend or checker them in great detail the early models didn’t but your car end locks 🔐 I suggest looking at zappi unit
At 6.50 you talk about the Zappi 2 design, stating that the non-earth rod feature is both top secret and patented. Well a patent describes to everyone how the feature works, so it is not top secret. And there is a very good description here if you want to know; ua-cam.com/video/gwmiGf6tChE/v-deo.html
You need to correct this video. The Tesla HPWC DOES NOT have connectivity. Your Tesla will most likely we be connected to web via Tesla smartphone app. You also failed to mention charge rates, as the majority of EVs won’t take more than 7.6kw. Charging your EV is already confusing to the average consumer, this video just adds to it.
Quite a few EV's take more than 7.6kw, very few take over 11kw however. BUT to take advantage of these you'd need 3 phase and most people only have single phase at there home and that's going to be there deciding factor on which unit speed they get. Yep your correct Tesla unit uses the TESLA car to update its firmware ALL tesla's hold the latest firmware for the unit and exchange this with the handshake
Nicolas Raimo exactly this! They’re a lot better charge points out on the market! If you want a charge point that is going to last then look into the charge points in the video
@@NicolasRaimo It was a great video (and loved this topic) but to my mind, it was lacking as it doesn't present a balanced view showing the popular and available chargers in the UK. My Rolec is outside and has been faultless charging everyday/night in all weathers. If you have a problem with Rolec and aren't willing to put them on a level playing field, wouldn't it be better to invite them to an interview, so we can understand more clearly whether it is a problem with a very old unit or something that was down to poor installation or misuse. To my understanding, the Rolecs are Kitemarked and meet or exceed all necessary regs. Keep up the great work in the video and I can understand why a recent personal experience could colour judgement; but if Rolecs do have a problem, we'd all like to know; if they don't or are as good as the most of the rest, then it is only fair to have them represented in some way.
Hi Oliver to be counted as smart for OLEV A HUB is needed, all price’s quoted are after OLEV grant on video therefore in the video we’ve included the HUB in the price of this zappi 2
How is it that my electric shower doesn't need an extra earth rod? If the charger is drawing 7.4 amps from the consumer unit of the house, why an extra rod?
Your shower will be protected by an earth leakage protection device, this works independently from the earth rod (you in the shower becomes the earth!) a car is isolated from the earth by it's tyres, requiring the charger to have a separate earth.
Pretty much this but if the charger was fitted inside your garage in a way that stopped you charging your car outside the garage then you also don’t need an earth rod
Should you get a charger at all. Is it creating more environmental waste and pollution. Most people can slow charge on three pin plug,enough for normal use and still take advantage of octopus agile with home charger. Lastly,fast charge on budget with commando socket,if you must?
3 pin charging wasn’t designed for every day use and I’ve seen loads of them catching fire 🔥 so yes you should have a socket designed for a load like this. It’s technically greener as your be consuming more power at time it grids greener rather than trickle charging when grid may be dirty. A commando socket installed to same regs for EV charging is fine but by the time you done it to regs you might as well just got the EV charger and grant
@@NicolasRaimo so ohme should not be selling three pin plug chargers if,as you suggest,they are dangerous. The ohme can,as you know come into use at green periods. There seem to be a number of bids and forum posts that indicate you can get commando socket installed for couple hundred Quid,the ohme commando charger has presumably been produced as an alternative,as you know for £200 with octopus. So the cost is considerably less.
Granny cables should be used an an top up, agile does mean switching every 30 minutes so Ohme is unlikely to hit high heats for long periods but with this in mind you may be charging for more than 30 mins to get how much charge you need. Issue with 🔥 doesn’t tend to be fault of chargers more down to your house electrics not being checked or maintained. It can also be you didn’t push socket in fully as unlike dedicated EV sockets they don’t have a firm lock 🔒 ev chargers have the shortest pin being coms so if it wasn’t in fully the car would disconnect. Ohme make a product if you buy the product it’s down to you and the installer to ensure it complies with regs. If a socket of any form is being installed for the purpose of charging an EV it must meet regs that’s if it’s a comando or even a 3 pin socket. Issue is people say “fit me a comando socket there please” and they won’t have the earth rod installed. £200 plus price of install of a comando your not saving much on an installed Ohme under grant of £550 I do wish octopus and Ohme would offer the walllbox with grant at a discount but they would unlikely be able to cope with the number of installs
@@NicolasRaimo £200 fully installed(commando). If three pin was so dodgy,they would not supply them with car,a bit scaremongery. Iam just concerned that we are being conned into being environmentally friendly by "needing" uneccesesary products.
Read the manual that comes with ones for car it says for occasion use and some used to say emergency. £200 isn’t fully installed it’s the cable with the comando end you still need that socket fitting in your home 🏠 Again it’s not environmental charging at slow speeds if the grids dirty, it’s much greener to suck up as much as fast as possible in the short window of low co2 from National grids. I also don’t think car makes should supply 3 pin cable I think that’s a waste of resources. Some car makes agree like Renault not supplying one instead with there new cars there pay for a charger
Do you guys know what the longest cable length is for a tethered Zappi? Or if anyone reading for this can advise? I'm looking for the the absolute maximum. Thanks
@@NicolasRaimo I have a new build and my driveway is situated 9 metres away from the back of my house. Essentially my garden is 9m long, then a fence and then my driveway. The front of my house is a road. If the tethered units cable is 10 metres long it should just be about long enough to reach. Thanks for the info.
You could mount the charger on a POST near to the drive way or get an untethered unit and get a 15m cable, give EcoPlugg a ring quote EVnick and am sure there come up with some ideas 💡
@@NicolasRaimo Yeah thanks. It may need to be mounted closer to the car somehow. It may just look untidy. I've sent some drawings to be looked at to see what's the best option
Pod Point and Zappi both have patent pendings... Are they both using the same technology created by Mynergi? And are they both currently the only ones that doesn't require earth electrodes?
Zappi’s is using a pen fault detection system and I believe Pod-Point measure the difference of current over the earth. I personally think the zappi is the safer way to do it and soon as I can set a mock up of why I will
@@NicolasRaimo I had a look at POD POINT website and it says the Pod Point hardware using this technology is being used to satisfy this requirement should be noted in the departures section of the installation certificate issued by the installer, example statement below: “This pod-point EVCP includes a proprietary patent pending system that isolates PEN if a fault is detected, No rod is required as it provides at least the level of protection as BS7671:2018 722.411.4.1: (iii)” If it satisfies that regulation then why should it be a departure as REG 722.441.4.1 clearly says a PME shall not be used, unless XYZ and in this case it complies. Or are they saying it doesn't comply but offers the same protection?
@@NicolasRaimo I just had a look, it didn't comply with the 18th edition regs because it only monitors voltage between line and neutral, on the new amendment which is going to be edited I believe, it complies with the new indent (iv). However... I just watched a video how indent (iv) is potentially dangerous. ua-cam.com/video/ZedTmlTLH2w/v-deo.html
Hi Dave, this video is already sitting at 19 minutes long and to include EVERY electric car charge point would mean this video would be super long and sadly the way youtube works VERY few people would even click the video if its over 20 minutes long. Due to this i only selected units i PERSONALLY recommend based on quality and functions on the units. Sadly the 2 you mentioned don't meet my requirements at the time of recording this video. EcoPlugg are able to install Rolec on request but i request you pick a unit mentioned on this video.
Quick question not strictly related to this particular video, if I was to part ex a battery leased Zoe, is the dealer I part ex it with liable for the lease payments while the car is waiting to be resold, or are they able to freeze the lease payments? Just thinking it may make dealers reluctant to take them in as part ex if they are liable?
If there a RENAULT main agent then they get 3 months free however if an independent like my self then NO, however not put me off taking them in or buying them for stock
@@dpthomas1973 Pleasure Paul please check out www.patreon.com/raimonick here you can help support my channel for about £1.20 a month and have a direct message function within it direct to me
Best information I have seen on home chargers. I picked up my first EV in September 2019 - BMW i3. Love the car, but just using the Granny charger at the moment, mainly because home chargers seem over priced and confusing at present.
Hopefully this will help you select a home charger, really you shouldn’t be using the granny cable for charging everyday it’s not safe I’ve seen many electrical fires also no DC leakage protection or earth protection. Little fact it’s also less efficient meaning it’s more expensive
Assuming your the Europe then yes we use a type 2 plug which is the same as every other electric car so yes same speed your free to pick any of these units! even the tesla unit
Jim Boyle Wi-Fi, hardwired Ethernet, or mobile SIM are required to make the charge point “smart” in order to qualify for the £500 grant after 1st July 2019. Section 7 of the minimum technical requirements document from then on says a charge point has to be able to “receive and process information”, “react to information received by adjusting the rate of the charging or discharging”, “monitor and record energy consumption, and be able to transmit this”, “be accessed remotely...by utilising...Open Charge Point Protocol (OCPP) 1.6 or above, or an equivalent” Including a SIM card will have a higher cost to the manufacturer when compared to using the customers broadband via Wi-Fi or an Ethernet cable, although presumably they would be able to negotiate a fixed cost for it as it is a very little data.
So... one of the companies mentioned in this video installed my charger. And because of the way it was installed, I failed a home EICR. According to my electrician, the RCD was not properly earthed. The company concerned disagree. Not sure how to get this resolved. Anyone had anything similar?
@@NicolasRaimo Yes. The installer claimed the installation complied with regulations. It's a technical detail relating to the thickness of the earth wire.
Guys what is the best Electric Vehicle Charger to use with my solar panels? Anyone know what type Peugeot UK supply? ( via third party) or is it up to installers on day to decide .Happy pay a little more if a specific model works better with my solar panels to charge the EV (when I get one).Be nice to have detailed stats and confirmation of zero charge if using excess electricity.
Hi Dream Box, i PERSONALLY rate the zappi unit. Peugeot will likely recommend one of 3 companies which meet demands of fittings LOTS of units and supplying them. There likely not be able to do solar diversion and your likely get a faceless sub contractor doing the install rather than a privately owned company like Ecoplugg that fits national and prides it self on service. Issue with providing speeds of charge rate is it depends on many factors and EVERYONE will have different results. Then adding solar to the mix will depend again "how big is your solar array" "how much electricity your house may be using when plugged in" "how sunny is it" With the Zappi unit you can do one thing which is say "Charge using excess solar, however by 4pm I want to add at least 25kwh of power to my battery" It will then use the grid to ensure you get the full 25kwh of power requested. Remember calling EcoPlugg and stating "EV Nick" gets you £15 off quote.
For a video to do well on UA-cam it’s got to be under the key 20 minute mark I either showed every charger known to man and had an hour video or hand picked my favs and reccomend Units.
Separate video on ohme on my channel, time of recording this ohme weren’t Olev approved and ohme have signed they want to partner with my on a video again
The Zappi uses a CT clamp on your export (solar cable) then another CT clamp on your home supply and then ensures you only charge with what you make and if house uses goes up car charger goes down
Nicolas Raimo the Zappi actually only requires 1 CT clamp to monitor solar usage... but having the other CT clamp gives better monitoring on the screen and app.
Oliver Dawson yes it can 🙂 it only needs one, it can still sense the house usage and see excess solar being diverted to the grid which it can then use.
Oliver Dawson re read my reply, I said it only needs 1, this will be placed after the main fuse and before the electricity meter, it then allows the Zappi to see excess solar and see what’s being imported/ exported
Doesn’t work out cheap at all! The peak is fairly high and the hours of cheap electricity doesn’t beat octopus go! I ran the calcs and my smart meter data and am still much cheaper with 5p between 12:30-:4:30!
Dean should pick up on this shortly and let you know I imagine they are all rated very high there an external electric connection with 32amps and some of these can also do 3 phase but am not an installer so just hang around and await the answer shortly
@@NicolasRaimo Hi Nicolas The main problem with all charger, you can't place them where there is wind and rain, even if it is rated IP67, the rain will get in, it is just a question about time ! www.webasto.com/fileadmin/webasto_files/documents/country-folder/denmark/car/data-sheet/20180828_Datasheet_Webasto_LIVE_ENG.pdf
Are any of these chargers happy to connect to a solar system WITH A DC COUPLED battery? I've been given a quotation for a Zappi but apparently the Zappi will empty my solar battery, and I don't want that. Any solution to this problem? Thank you! 😊
Sounds like installer doesn't know how to install zappi correctly please ring EcoPlugg quote "EVNick" and tell them what your wanting to do, it will require Extra CT clamps to deal with battery but won't empty it when setup correctly
@@yt-paolo its includes VAT but these are typical prices your pay everyone's home and job is different for example if you need a LONGER run of cable or groundwork also remember the grant drops from the 1st of April to a lower amount so ACT FAST
Hello, one of your subscribers here I've been driving a 2015 22kw zoe for just over a year now . I need some help and got question for you. just wandering is there a way to contact you to answer these questions for me
Also (6:45) having a patent on it should mean that it exactly the opposite of top secret as a patent is a trade in getting exclusive rights for a period of time in exchange for making an invention public?
Hi Chloe welcome to my channel, i wanted to make this video all about the charge points and try keep it within a strict max time limit. I have a series of videos called "how does your electric car work" which will explain cables, plug types etc.... in far more detail ensure you click subscribe and that bell icon not to miss out
Can’t final conclusion as everything does something different for everyone. I have a recap of this video coming soon with in depth reviews on each charge point very soon click subscribe
The socket cost around £300 and material £20 as it was a back to back with the consumer unit So £700 less £320 = £380, not bad for 2 hours work As it happens I did have a problem which was to do with the compatibility between Rolec and The Jaguar communicating and they came back twice to sort it which they did All officially approved contracts have to guarantee units for 3 years otherwise they lose their licence Your comments are all unfounded in my case, but unlike you I will not speculate as to why you are so Negative about Rolec. Perhaps they have rocked the boat about contractors charging £500 + plus the government allowance of £500 for half a days work plus the socket and limited material
It's a rip-off. The amount the installers get is ludicrous compared to a normal rate charged by an electrician. If I do get a unit fitted when I move it will be a comando unit. Had a quote for one in garage which already has electric and fitted cost is £150
You will pay a high way duty tax when you charge at home or any were , then a tax on the charger. then pay a electrician to install. then a inviro. in pack fee. then a fee for the wify. how long will the batt last. to replace the batt you will pay a tax on purchase then a tax to dispose the old batt. the volt batt replacement is 15,734.29 dollars. the volt batt last eight years. how many used ele cars are going to be resale. the biggest scam on the driving public ever.
My first gen zoe is 2015 still 97% of its battery capacity, fault battery packs and replacements don’t happen anywhere near what people Like you think maybe see my other videos researched on this subject before guessing
It would cost around £320,000 minimum to get 1 point installed. Which country are you if a country with a good 3 phase supply to every home maybe a 22kw charger be better and getting a Zoe than can charge at that rate AC much cheaper
Janet this is the cost of a unit that complies to safety and new electric regs that have come in. Prices of units took a huge increase in January 2019 due to safety reg changes. Also cost of a qualified electrician doesn’t come cheap. Then again when you work out the fuel savings made the EV unit gets cheap. I did mention and display zappi2 does solar divert and when you divert by solar then the unit really does pay for it self
NONE. Love plug-in hybrid: No range anxiety, no waiting in long public charging lines for your turn, no waiting for long charging times at public charging stations.
aww bless your catch up with the rest of us soon and realise, there's no range anxiety, no waits for public charging and most your charging is it home. Bless ya thou for commenting.
@@NicolasRaimoHey, so I am very new to the EV game, hence thinking of getting the zappi smart ev charger! Just need to find out if it is compatible with the Tesla model 3 :).
UPDATED VIDEO HERE ua-cam.com/video/tyFqMCjvsAk/v-deo.html
FROM THE 1ST APRIL 2020 The Grant for chargers is DROPPING from £500 to £350 This video was uploaded October 2019 so please adjust prices mentioned in video! I've also now switched to sending people to evnick.com/charge as they will find the BEST national prices for you... I'm now reviewing EVERY charger made so check out my reviews and this video will be remade SHORTLY. For octopus deals check out evnick.com/energy
I know it's personal preference, but I have a choice of a Zappi or an EO mini pro. I don't have solar, nor am I likely to anytime soon, so will just be looking at a straight comparison of which is the best charger. What would you go for if you had this choice, and why, ie which charger in your opinion is the better one?
What is the price and what can l order now?
Would be great to see an update of this video
@@watcher24601 on the cards
@@NicolasRaimo When you update the reviews may I ask you to take note of my comments below please.
Zappi 2, nothing better,superb unit.
Really good, honest video which I found very informative. Until now I had no idea some models require an earht rod (or more than one!) so that's good to understand. Thanks for posting! 👍
Thanks Robert please consider clicking subscribe and checking out my other videos
Pod Point one of the most reliable and safest ones.on the market ,.great customer service . Same price for 7 klw tethered or unthetherd £359. They do their own insulation and in my case it was a brilliant neat job
Very informative video, the Zappi untethered unit that can lock the cable sounds great!
Just had a 7kw Podpoint installed. Cannot fault the application process with email support and quick installation. (He had to drill through two walls and didn't have a problem). I wish they would push through and update to have scheduled charging! keep up with the competition or they'll lose the race and sales.
How much did you pay including install please ?
@@Mogsoni £350. But prices have changed since.
@@Tom-to8wv I take it the £350 was just install including vat as the units are around £5-600?
An excellent video. Thank you. It would be terrific to see an updated video now that at least one of these chargers has been updated. I would love to see how the EO Pro 2 compares with the Zappi when charging an EV exclusively using rooftop solar.
Video is on its way! Just getting a collection of the chargepoint sent to me hoping to film and reccord it start of new year maybe Feb with a 4 week release time
@@NicolasRaimo THANK YOU. This is excellent news. We are buying our first EV in approximately March and want to charge only from our 6.6 Kw rooftop solar. In Australia we have limited options of both EVs as well as chargers. The Zappi is available and I know it charges very well using solar only. The EO Pro 2 has only just gone on sale and though it can charge only from solar, I can't find much information about this. I have subscribed and I look forward to your future videos. Thanks.
The Zappi update to allow the cable to be locked to the untethered Zappi was released at the end of September, works very well.
Haha yes this video was recorded pre September
Nicolas Raimo i wonder who gave you that pre-release information 🤔🤔
ex zappi employee ;)
Great review. Uncomplicated; clear information about each unit. Excellent.
Just ordered a Zappi 2 tethered black charger. Your video was a great help. Subscribed.
Thanks Nic- My EO charger does not work with my Model 3- waiting for them to fix it- will keep you posted
I heard about this issue and been told EO are on the case keep me posted. Leo thanks for your support also
The Tesla unit shown, doesn't connect to the internet. However, you can control the charger (stop and start) from the Tesla app through the car's correction to the internet
Why would anyone not charge at a night rate. Why would any home charger not have charge scheduling?
If the car has it
Now that's a perfectly timed (for me) and really informative video. Thanks for posting.
Pleasure! Please share it with family and friends or groups you may be in
If you have any questions the team at EcoPlugg are always on the end of the phone and are happy to help you choose the right charger for you!
I am an electrician and I reiterate all the work is in the 1st rod. Once that is done, screwing an extra rod and banging it down is not difficult. I think pricing at £50 foe each extra rod is taking advantage of a customers lack of knowledge. By the way the contractor who installed my Rolec including the earth rod was less than £200 after the £500 allowance
Was this a pre 2019 install on the older regs
Also I have an rolec... as mentioned end of video I wouldn’t buy one again and many installers who did fit them won’t again
Each earth rod which is put in the ground faces the same risk as the first one, checks still need to be completed before installing one, then extensive testing and inspection after it’s in the ground.
Nicolas Raimo yes it was
Michael Joseph Also try getting the original installer out when you’ve only paid £200. Rolec have no proper warranty.
It's almost like somehow u knew I was on the market for a home charger and made a video to help me! 👍🌟
Nice video about the differences between chargers, You guys make a great double act.
Which famous double act would you compare us to... maybe we just make this a competition...
How things have changed, Ocopus prices now now is:
Eco 7 Electricity
Day unit rate:
39.04 p/kWh
Night unit rate:
22.71 p/kWh
Standing charge:
24.12 p/day
Electricity
Unit rate:
35.33 p/kWh
Standing charge:
24.03 p/day
The prices quoted of 5p and 14p where NOT for eco7, Octopus best deals are smart deals using a smart meter see evnick.com/energy for best unit rates... currently as i write this an offpeak rate of 7.5p and 30.15p PEAK means for my ev charging i pay an average unit rate on a month of 19.20p and the CHEAPEST fixed anywhere is 36p for my area.
Earth rods not always needed. Completely depends on supply earthing arrangement. Zappi has a CT that monitors the CPC and will trip when the voltage rises to a dangerous level.
Hi Neil as we mentioned some charge points don't need earth rods and some homes also won't require them.
The EO Pro is a very neat unit if you want untethered. What's not to like? What features do other untethered units have over and above the EO Pro?
It’s a nice clean unit I agree! They also do a tethered version! Zappi untethered does solar diversion which means your charger can pay for it self
@@NicolasRaimo There's now a solar diversion version of the EO unit as well now so those that want a nice clean looking unit can have solar charging too.
I just have the old style tethered zappi, to work with my solar, which is kick ass today as the Australian Sun is is doing it's normal thing.
driving on sunshine!
Depending on your home earthing arrangement, I have read that an earth rod is needed if you have a PME/TN-C-S earthing.
I’ll have dean pop along shortly...
EV-Rob It depends also on the type of charge point that you have too.
So not need at all on Zappi 2? What it ifs a TT earthing system?
@@deanfielding4411 Theres a chance if you lose the neutral supply to your house with a PME system that the vehicle body would be live and you touching the bodywork on a rainy day would then be the neutral conductor..
I assume if this was the case the new charge points would not allow the car to charge. I made my own charger so can't comment on how the different chargers work
@@NicolasRaimo TT and TNS should be OK.. TT however generally have a high earth loop fault impedance so should have a RCD main switch.
Easy to assemble,fun to use
When we got our charge point installed, we went for untethered because of concerns over wear-and-tear on the cable. However after a year of use, I’d now go for a tethered unit, because when it’s been raining you get wet and mucky unplugging and stowing the charging cable in the car.
Am split, I prefer the visuals of not having cable wrapped round the outside but... it’s also a bit of a pain to wrap cable up when it’s belting down with rain ☔️
Maybe it’s time for a charger upgrade? 🤔😂
Or buy a 2nd cable and leave it on? (I know they are expensive though)
How do you arrive at £50 for each “extra” rod as they cost about £6 and take 5 min to install. All of the work is in the first rod in terms of wiring and location of initial rod
Some charger £100 for an earth rod!!
Michael Joseph £50 is a very fair price, if you want to instal your one you’re more than welcome to, but there are many factors we have to cover including the fact we usually can’t fit another job in afterwards, ground scanner, the fact that it usually disturbs driveways and con include builders work to make good. They don’t take 5 min to install properly.
The price of an earth rod may be low, but it’s the fitting and testing which can add up considerably. They need to test the ground below to ensure they’re no electricity cables or water/gas mains which could lead to a catastrophic disaster, I think £50 is a pretty good price!
As above but 3 people beat me to it... 5 minutes to shove it in ground but wouldn’t you rather than check there’s no pipes, cables or gas main... and if they lifted flags etc.. would you rather them leave the site as they found it or a mess?
I’ve seen some installers charge £35 per earth rod but left such a mess it cost the house owner more to fix the issues they left
It's either patented or secret - the two are mutually exclusive. The whole point of the patent system is to get people to reveal stuff which they might otherwise want to keep secret.
Charge scheduling should be standard. With new home electricity meters being rolled out, one off peak rate is coming to an end
See my video "go vs agile"
Already got a podpoint where was this video when I needed it lol could have done with this advice 6 months ago.
haha sorry its been in my brain to make this video for a good 12 months plus but timescale and also getting all the units in one place has been tricky sorry its late!
I ordered a podpoint but they mucked me about so I ended up ordering an Andersen. Being installed in 2 weeks. Hopefully, it's as good as it looks.
Patents are open, not top secret.
question. we need to install a ev charge point in a workshop with no internet.. is that possible ?
Course but it won’t be smart unless it’s got a built in SIM card which some do check out my charger reviews just released a new video today
@@NicolasRaimo thanks Nicolas, your films have been really helpful to us, buying a new Zoe. cheers
@@ProfSimonHolland glad I’ve helped, please check out my UA-cam membership option if you want to help support me thanks
Sorry, very difficult to understand. No intro to what you are talking about.
Hi Scot, how do you mean the other 60 plus comments seemed to of followed the video... maybe if I give you the context... these are electric car chargers which you fit to your home if your have an electric car
Good video Guys, any news on type 2 V2G chargers?
No cars offering V2G on type 2 yet just chademo
Nicholas Wood We’re working on it 😉
oh please tell me more Dean! you didn't mention this!
The Zappi has a 12 week delay from ordering to arrival, I am hoping to get mine delivered here in France before Brexit, as then I will have to pay duty and customs handling charge. I am getting one because I have solar panels, be interested to know how many EV owners also have solar.
the Emon EVSE also can handle solar similar to zappi, lead times in UK shorter due to domestic customers being first and also less shipping costs
Are all these chargers ASEFA ev ready as required by Renault and nissan. (For people how don't know this is protection for welded electrical contacts in the vehicle main contactor)but generally ev chargers are far safer way of refueling compared to fossil vehicles
Thanks for the info Nic and Dean. My question - does the Tesla HPWC need an earth rod? I may have missed the answer
Yes to follow the Electric regs for the UK
No word about dynamic load balancing? That is on top of my checklist for my next charger. Very important if you potentially use a lot of devices at the same time (cooking, charging, boiler). Zappi has that, and can also be used in a master/slave setup, if you have two chargers (correct me if I'm wrong on this). Especially important if you want to charge a Zoe at 22kW.
Clemens you’re correct! The Zappi is able to dynamically adjust its charging rate depending on the house lid to avoid tripping the main house fuse! EcoPlugg also sets this up as standard as part of the install.
There’s a video all about zappi on my channel from launch about zappi2 which goes into finer detail, issue with going into everything in a video like this is for some people it doesn’t apply or interest them and people won’t watch videos that are over a certain time so I tried to get as much info on the charge points I could while keep it light and fresh
Going to use 3-pin. Am retired, no commuting and plenty of chargers if I need to top up and very occasional long journey.
Using a 3 pin to charge your car regularly isn’t safe see this Saturday video for why!
@@NicolasRaimo If you're talking about overheating not one part from plug to plug is even warm. I've also had many responses from Tesla owners who only use 3 pin.
@@derekbland5253 there is other safety conditions of charging a DC device and earthing issues plus there’s a few other big reasons see this weeks video not only that your buying a tesla.. a £43,000 car at least and worrying about paying for a charge point come on!
@@NicolasRaimo I'll do some more research but Tesla are at fault for supplying the adapter then if it's not a safe way to charge. Come on!
@@derekbland5253 it’s a requirement under olev to supply a method of charging your EV, Renault and other car makes fit a free home charger for you instead of the cable, the 3 pin cable is ok for very in frequent use in an emergency 🚨 get out of jail card so to speak. See this weeks video I got experts and researched the facts to the end of earth
Interesting question, perhaps:. How many months or years would an average driver using each home charger at an average electricity price take to break even over paying public charger tariffs? A few real-world examples might be the best way to show the information. Thanks chaps.
home charging connivance is priceless so unable to put a value on that.
Your home electric costs are fixed for a set period of time where public charging is not.
But 2500kwh for a year on octopus go is £125 plus home charger
Public charging can range from 15p to 40p if we go in at say 25p which is lower than the average but more likely if NOT using rapids 2500kwh is £625 but no home charger. but thats just YEAR 1.
Also while there's a public charge grant prices shown included governments OLEV £500 grant so its worth snapping it up while you can.
Adding to Nicks reply. Slow charging (ie at home), is better for battery than frequent rapid charging.
Do a video where there are 2 EVs in the house please.
2 charge points, load sharing etc.
Zappi can handle this quite easy but 2 EV chargers is only 64amps anyway so unless your using an electric shower same time as charging or have a low main fuse should be no issue
@@NicolasRaimo thanks adding another Zappi was top of the options. Our supply is fuse is only 63A, hence Zappi load sharing is probably the best option.
zappi can load share easy, even if your other charger isn't a zappi it can load share depending on your houses use with its CT clamp, contact EcoPlugg and ask for George who can explain this in more detail
3 months ago a PHEV arrived to complement a Nissan Leaf. Only 1 garage space, 25 ft Clipper Creek L2 unit. After an evaluation period, I elected for a J-1772 21 ft extension cable vs. costly electric upgrade & 2nd EVSE. While the original cable would reach it involved parking the Leaf behind the Ioniq PHEV blocking access. Not a big deal except with rain, snow, cold wx conditions an inconvenience. For about $200 USD this has been the lowest cost, very convenient and no need to valet cars. With the length, the garage is accessible while charging the second car. The Ioniq takes about 2:15 to charge; the Leaf goes days w/o charging and then it’s about 3:00 or so for my driving needs. Best wishes and good luck in the search for a solution to your needs. Thanks
Good work guys
Cheers Bruce which charge point do you have
@@NicolasRaimo I have two podpoints 3.5kw tethered type 1 and 7kw untethered for new car
Slightly aside but I cannot understand how the government AFR at 4p per mile for business users is any kind of incentive to drive a EV when even on a low overnight tariff rate it costs you more than you can claim eg. £14 full charge / 180 mile range = 7p per mile.
Your getting the 2 things wrong way round you can claim for business use on your personal car the full 40p.
The 5p rate is for using your work provided car for personal use
@@NicolasRaimo nope. I’m taking only about the AFR (advisory fuel reimbursement rate) which is 4p per mile for EVs. This means if I pay the charging costs (home / public) I can only recover business mileage at 4p per mile! Company car not personal car
@@EVil-ob8in I think your looking at it wrong Please see www.att.org.uk/electric-cars-afrs-workplace-charging
Which is about AFR if driving a company car
However if it’s a personal owned car you use for business it’s at 45p a mile as outlined on www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-business-travel-mileage/rules-for-tax
I too noticed (as in another comment) that no Rolec was dispalyed or discussed.
I only picked chargepoints I’d recommend to my subscribers, my channel is based on me being honest and fair and I can’t honestly recommend rolec from personal experience with them, EcoPlugg can fit them on request however
@@NicolasRaimo Fair Enough Nicolas...from asking questions on a couple of EV forums I beleive some earlier ones did have probs with faulty components but consensus seems to be that its been sorted and current ones are fine...I respect your opinion though and keep up the good vids :)
They fixed the issue with the RCD yes however there are other issues within rolec when I spoke to group of OLEV installers and people who used to fit them I’ve asked rolec for interviews and comment in past and been promised they’d meet and then get the cold shoulder, never had this issue with any other charge make
Hi it would help if the video covered the connectivity aspect of wall chargers bas well. Which are sim.enabled and what is the cost of ownership long term where wall chargers have sim rather than WiFi connection
The remit of this video was to give as much info as possible about the most amount of chargers on market.
I’ll attempt to tear into each charger 1 by 1 this year as companies send me there’s for testing
None! Put the money towards a nice little turbo- diesel instead! Simple!!
Did you really get that bored you decided to troll my video with by far the least witty response ever?
Do I need to have a smart meter in my home to run a smart charger ??
No, but if you want to have special pricing deals like octopus offer you will need one fitting which are of course free
what if i wanted to import one ecoplug unit to kenya for my mercedes B250e...would you consider importing it for me???
Hi Ben have you clicked subscribe? Email ecoplugg see if they can send you the item!
Can these chargers be mounted on a post instead of a wall? My driveway is a good three metres distant from my house, so a charger on a post would be the preffered option.
Yes some have dedicated post made by the manufacturer others your mount of a wooden stake message EcoPlugg for a quote let them know I sent you to claim your £15 discount and there sort a price out when they call you!
Why is the EO so much smaller? It makes the others look ridiculous.
the smart tech so to speak isnt in the EO its in the hub and there's just switching in the main housing also stuff like zappi has in built RCD and other protections where again EO mini its fitted somewhere else
Help me please! I’m tossing up between zappi 2 @ £780 installed or Pod-Point @ £600 installed. Have a Tesla model 3 that has timing function etc. Is there any reason to get the zappi over the pod-point? No plans for solar or anything like that.
Between them 2 it’s a no brainier get the Zappi use rightcharge.co.Uk/evnick for a quote see if price comes better.
I have an in-depth review of Zappi due in 3 weeks if you can wait! But in summary you have the chance of solar but even if not you can take advantage of using octopus go and agile and have the charger react to price changes see my video about getting paid to charge your car!
Good information, however I have a question why have a unit with scheduling when many EVs have that function in there own apps or in car interfaces?
Because the car apps are less than reliable on most car platforms also the time is best on the car company server if there is a breakdown with server it can mean it doesn’t charge or charges at wrong time
What does Tethered and untethered mean?
Another video on that however lead or no lead
Hi, I can we why you say tethered is best,but if you have a Leaf and plan not to have a Leaf in a year or so, surely non tethered is better?
If your never planning on having a hen 1 leaf or an older car then all cars now are type 2 including the later shape leaf
Nicolas Raimo Good, I have a type 2 cable from my old BMW 330e👍
This video was all over the place...
Question, where did you guys get the display stands to mount the chargers? I wanted to get something similar. Thanks
They were specially made for display
Nicholas Raimo, great video! do you know if the Rolec Homesmart charger untethered unit locks the cable when required? I don’t want them stolen :-)
Am personally not a rolec fan so I’ve never really recommend or checker them in great detail the early models didn’t but your car end locks 🔐 I suggest looking at zappi unit
At 6.50 you talk about the Zappi 2 design, stating that the non-earth rod feature is both top secret and patented. Well a patent describes to everyone how the feature works, so it is not top secret. And there is a very good description here if you want to know; ua-cam.com/video/gwmiGf6tChE/v-deo.html
I mentioned it had PEN fault and i thought this was for the earth rod... Did you see my early video on Zappi 2 Launch Party in London?
You need to correct this video. The Tesla HPWC DOES NOT have connectivity. Your Tesla will most likely we be connected to web via Tesla smartphone app. You also failed to mention charge rates, as the majority of EVs won’t take more than 7.6kw. Charging your EV is already confusing to the average consumer, this video just adds to it.
Quite a few EV's take more than 7.6kw, very few take over 11kw however. BUT to take advantage of these you'd need 3 phase and most people only have single phase at there home and that's going to be there deciding factor on which unit speed they get. Yep your correct Tesla unit uses the TESLA car to update its firmware ALL tesla's hold the latest firmware for the unit and exchange this with the handshake
I wonder when these will appear in the US?
I believe zappi now ship to the USA 🇺🇸
Be great if you could also include the Rolec HomeSmart EV. I have an older Rolec unit which is actually upgradeable now to the Smart unit.
Maybe I did mention the rolec 😉
EcoPlugg will be able to fit the Rolec units on specific request 🙂
However I’d request you go for one in video
Nicolas Raimo exactly this! They’re a lot better charge points out on the market! If you want a charge point that is going to last then look into the charge points in the video
@@NicolasRaimo It was a great video (and loved this topic) but to my mind, it was lacking as it doesn't present a balanced view showing the popular and available chargers in the UK. My Rolec is outside and has been faultless charging everyday/night in all weathers. If you have a problem with Rolec and aren't willing to put them on a level playing field, wouldn't it be better to invite them to an interview, so we can understand more clearly whether it is a problem with a very old unit or something that was down to poor installation or misuse. To my understanding, the Rolecs are Kitemarked and meet or exceed all necessary regs. Keep up the great work in the video and I can understand why a recent personal experience could colour judgement; but if Rolecs do have a problem, we'd all like to know; if they don't or are as good as the most of the rest, then it is only fair to have them represented in some way.
Pod-Point, You say it dosnt need an earth Rod but the graphic say it does. Can you clarify. Thanks
pod-point.com/electric-car-news/note-pme-supply-without-earth-rod
Do the costs for the Zappis include the hub unit for connecting them to the internet and for use with the myenergi app?
Hi Oliver to be counted as smart for OLEV A HUB is needed, all price’s quoted are after OLEV grant on video therefore in the video we’ve included the HUB in the price of this zappi 2
How is it that my electric shower doesn't need an extra earth rod? If the charger is drawing 7.4 amps from the consumer unit of the house, why an extra rod?
Your shower will be protected by an earth leakage protection device, this works independently from the earth rod (you in the shower becomes the earth!) a car is isolated from the earth by it's tyres, requiring the charger to have a separate earth.
Pretty much this but if the charger was fitted inside your garage in a way that stopped you charging your car outside the garage then you also don’t need an earth rod
Should you get a charger at all.
Is it creating more environmental waste and pollution.
Most people can slow charge on three pin plug,enough for normal use and still take advantage of octopus agile with home charger.
Lastly,fast charge on budget with commando socket,if you must?
3 pin charging wasn’t designed for every day use and I’ve seen loads of them catching fire 🔥 so yes you should have a socket designed for a load like this. It’s technically greener as your be consuming more power at time it grids greener rather than trickle charging when grid may be dirty.
A commando socket installed to same regs for EV charging is fine but by the time you done it to regs you might as well just got the EV charger and grant
@@NicolasRaimo so ohme should not be selling three pin plug chargers if,as you suggest,they are dangerous.
The ohme can,as you know come into use at green periods.
There seem to be a number of bids and forum posts that indicate you can get commando socket installed for couple hundred Quid,the ohme commando charger has presumably been produced as an alternative,as you know for £200 with octopus.
So the cost is considerably less.
Granny cables should be used an an top up, agile does mean switching every 30 minutes so Ohme is unlikely to hit high heats for long periods but with this in mind you may be charging for more than 30 mins to get how much charge you need. Issue with 🔥 doesn’t tend to be fault of chargers more down to your house electrics not being checked or maintained. It can also be you didn’t push socket in fully as unlike dedicated EV sockets they don’t have a firm lock 🔒 ev chargers have the shortest pin being coms so if it wasn’t in fully the car would disconnect.
Ohme make a product if you buy the product it’s down to you and the installer to ensure it complies with regs.
If a socket of any form is being installed for the purpose of charging an EV it must meet regs that’s if it’s a comando or even a 3 pin socket. Issue is people say “fit me a comando socket there please” and they won’t have the earth rod installed. £200 plus price of install of a comando your not saving much on an installed Ohme under grant of £550
I do wish octopus and Ohme would offer the walllbox with grant at a discount but they would unlikely be able to cope with the number of installs
@@NicolasRaimo £200 fully installed(commando).
If three pin was so dodgy,they would not supply them with car,a bit scaremongery.
Iam just concerned that we are being conned into being environmentally friendly by "needing" uneccesesary products.
Read the manual that comes with ones for car it says for occasion use and some used to say emergency. £200 isn’t fully installed it’s the cable with the comando end you still need that socket fitting in your home 🏠
Again it’s not environmental charging at slow speeds if the grids dirty, it’s much greener to suck up as much as fast as possible in the short window of low co2 from National grids. I also don’t think car makes should supply 3 pin cable I think that’s a waste of resources. Some car makes agree like Renault not supplying one instead with there new cars there pay for a charger
Do you guys know what the longest cable length is for a tethered Zappi? Or if anyone reading for this can advise? I'm looking for the the absolute maximum. Thanks
I think it’s about 10meters why do you need it so long?
@@NicolasRaimo I have a new build and my driveway is situated 9 metres away from the back of my house. Essentially my garden is 9m long, then a fence and then my driveway. The front of my house is a road. If the tethered units cable is 10 metres long it should just be about long enough to reach. Thanks for the info.
You could mount the charger on a POST near to the drive way or get an untethered unit and get a 15m cable, give EcoPlugg a ring quote EVnick and am sure there come up with some ideas 💡
@@NicolasRaimo Yeah thanks. It may need to be mounted closer to the car somehow. It may just look untidy. I've sent some drawings to be looked at to see what's the best option
keep me updated!
Pod Point and Zappi both have patent pendings... Are they both using the same technology created by Mynergi? And are they both currently the only ones that doesn't require earth electrodes?
Zappi’s is using a pen fault detection system and I believe Pod-Point measure the difference of current over the earth. I personally think the zappi is the safer way to do it and soon as I can set a mock up of why I will
@@NicolasRaimo I had a look at POD POINT website and it says the Pod Point hardware using this technology is being used to satisfy this requirement should be noted in the departures section of the installation certificate issued by the installer, example statement below:
“This pod-point EVCP includes a proprietary patent pending system that isolates PEN if a fault is detected, No rod is required as it provides at least the level of protection as BS7671:2018 722.411.4.1: (iii)”
If it satisfies that regulation then why should it be a departure as REG 722.441.4.1 clearly says a PME shall not be used, unless XYZ and in this case it complies. Or are they saying it doesn't comply but offers the same protection?
@@MrSJT it didn't comply under new regs however regs run behind technology, there is an change to regs to add this section to it however.
@@NicolasRaimo I just had a look, it didn't comply with the 18th edition regs because it only monitors voltage between line and neutral, on the new amendment which is going to be edited I believe, it complies with the new indent (iv). However... I just watched a video how indent (iv) is potentially dangerous.
ua-cam.com/video/ZedTmlTLH2w/v-deo.html
Nick, how come you missed out Rolec and Chargemaster, as they're both pretty common units?
Hi Dave, this video is already sitting at 19 minutes long and to include EVERY electric car charge point would mean this video would be super long and sadly the way youtube works VERY few people would even click the video if its over 20 minutes long. Due to this i only selected units i PERSONALLY recommend based on quality and functions on the units. Sadly the 2 you mentioned don't meet my requirements at the time of recording this video. EcoPlugg are able to install Rolec on request but i request you pick a unit mentioned on this video.
What about BP Chargmaster unit?
What’s it’s unique part?
Quick question not strictly related to this particular video, if I was to part ex a battery leased Zoe, is the dealer I part ex it with liable for the lease payments while the car is waiting to be resold, or are they able to freeze the lease payments? Just thinking it may make dealers reluctant to take them in as part ex if they are liable?
If there a RENAULT main agent then they get 3 months free however if an independent like my self then NO, however not put me off taking them in or buying them for stock
@@NicolasRaimo Cheers pal. Appreciated.
@@dpthomas1973 Pleasure Paul please check out www.patreon.com/raimonick here you can help support my channel for about £1.20 a month and have a direct message function within it direct to me
Every time I hear "Anderson unit", I think "bomb shelter" ... :/
maybe am too young.....
Best information I have seen on home chargers. I picked up my first EV in September 2019 - BMW i3. Love the car, but just using the Granny charger at the moment, mainly because home chargers seem over priced and confusing at present.
Hopefully this will help you select a home charger, really you shouldn’t be using the granny cable for charging everyday it’s not safe I’ve seen many electrical fires also no DC leakage protection or earth protection. Little fact it’s also less efficient meaning it’s more expensive
Nicolas Raimo so it doesn't need to be a Bmw Wallbox to charge the i3 a bit faster through a standard power outlet?
Its universal plug in?
Assuming your the Europe then yes we use a type 2 plug which is the same as every other electric car so yes same speed your free to pick any of these units! even the tesla unit
Why would i need Wi-Fi when installing a domestic ev charger
Jim Boyle Wi-Fi, hardwired Ethernet, or mobile SIM are required to make the charge point “smart” in order to qualify for the £500 grant after 1st July 2019. Section 7 of the minimum technical requirements document from then on says a charge point has to be able to “receive and process information”, “react to information received by adjusting the rate of the charging or discharging”, “monitor and record energy consumption, and be able to transmit this”, “be accessed remotely...by utilising...Open Charge Point Protocol (OCPP) 1.6 or above, or an equivalent”
Including a SIM card will have a higher cost to the manufacturer when compared to using the customers broadband via Wi-Fi or an Ethernet cable, although presumably they would be able to negotiate a fixed cost for it as it is a very little data.
@@Bin216 Thks for that Bryn
So... one of the companies mentioned in this video installed my charger. And because of the way it was installed, I failed a home EICR.
According to my electrician, the RCD was not properly earthed. The company concerned disagree.
Not sure how to get this resolved. Anyone had anything similar?
Company? You mean charge points make?
@@NicolasRaimo Yes. The installer claimed the installation complied with regulations. It's a technical detail relating to the thickness of the earth wire.
which unit, which company?
@@NicolasRaimo Pod Point.
Was it also installed by them? Wanna tweet your pictures to me and I’ll have the electrician from EcoPlugg check it
Guys what is the best Electric Vehicle Charger to use with my solar panels? Anyone know what type Peugeot UK supply? ( via third party) or is it up to installers on day to decide .Happy pay a little more if a specific model works better with my solar panels to charge the EV (when I get one).Be nice to have detailed stats and confirmation of zero charge if using excess electricity.
Hi Dream Box, i PERSONALLY rate the zappi unit. Peugeot will likely recommend one of 3 companies which meet demands of fittings LOTS of units and supplying them. There likely not be able to do solar diversion and your likely get a faceless sub contractor doing the install rather than a privately owned company like Ecoplugg that fits national and prides it self on service.
Issue with providing speeds of charge rate is it depends on many factors and EVERYONE will have different results. Then adding solar to the mix will depend again "how big is your solar array" "how much electricity your house may be using when plugged in" "how sunny is it" With the Zappi unit you can do one thing which is say "Charge using excess solar, however by 4pm I want to add at least 25kwh of power to my battery" It will then use the grid to ensure you get the full 25kwh of power requested.
Remember calling EcoPlugg and stating "EV Nick" gets you £15 off quote.
@@NicolasRaimo Thanks for feedback.Just found out Peugeot Group have exclusive deal since December with Pod-Point for all installations.
@@talkandplay Thats just what they recommend you don't need to go with that unit you can get your own like one above and podpoint DOESN'T do solar
@@NicolasRaimo Ecoplugg does not cover my area, they confirmed this morning so just going with pod-point.
@@talkandplay are you northern ireland?
Hey, where is the go E Charger?
For a video to do well on UA-cam it’s got to be under the key 20 minute mark I either showed every charger known to man and had an hour video or hand picked my favs and reccomend Units.
You guys make me laugh 😂 😂
Which one was the Ohme?
Separate video on ohme on my channel, time of recording this ohme weren’t Olev approved and ohme have signed they want to partner with my on a video again
How do some of these detect the solar usage. Do the ones that do come with a separate meter to sit pass your inverter ?
The Zappi uses a CT clamp on your export (solar cable) then another CT clamp on your home supply and then ensures you only charge with what you make and if house uses goes up car charger goes down
Nicolas Raimo the Zappi actually only requires 1 CT clamp to monitor solar usage... but having the other CT clamp gives better monitoring on the screen and app.
@@lincsevs4341 Without the CT on the incoming supply the Zappi would not be able to regulate the charge rate according to the demand within the home
Oliver Dawson yes it can 🙂 it only needs one, it can still sense the house usage and see excess solar being diverted to the grid which it can then use.
Oliver Dawson re read my reply, I said it only needs 1, this will be placed after the main fuse and before the electricity meter, it then allows the Zappi to see excess solar and see what’s being imported/ exported
Have a look at EDF Energy 98 hours of cheaper electricity -9pm to 07am + all weekend - Wow!
Doesn’t work out cheap at all! The peak is fairly high and the hours of cheap electricity doesn’t beat octopus go! I ran the calcs and my smart meter data and am still much cheaper with 5p between 12:30-:4:30!
Plus look out for high standing charge for EDF
Pass! Nuclear power
video tip - don't contradict.
What is the IP rating on the units ? Is it able to be placed where the wind and rain hits the unit directly ?
Dean should pick up on this shortly and let you know I imagine they are all rated very high there an external electric connection with 32amps and some of these can also do 3 phase but am not an installer so just hang around and await the answer shortly
@@NicolasRaimo I found that the Webasto LIVE is IP 54 and that is = Protected from limited dust ingress. That is insufficient.
thats SUPER low! i think zappi is much higher
@@A2an IP67 is zappi's this ip54 rating you seen for webasto where did you find that it doesn't seem correct at all
@@NicolasRaimo Hi Nicolas The main problem with all charger, you can't place them where there is wind and rain, even if it is rated IP67, the rain will get in, it is just a question about time !
www.webasto.com/fileadmin/webasto_files/documents/country-folder/denmark/car/data-sheet/20180828_Datasheet_Webasto_LIVE_ENG.pdf
Are any of these chargers happy to connect to a solar system WITH A DC COUPLED battery? I've been given a quotation for a Zappi but apparently the Zappi will empty my solar battery, and I don't want that. Any solution to this problem? Thank you! 😊
Sounds like installer doesn't know how to install zappi correctly please ring EcoPlugg quote "EVNick" and tell them what your wanting to do, it will require Extra CT clamps to deal with battery but won't empty it when setup correctly
Thank you! I will. It sounds like Dean knows what he's talking about 😊👍
Nicolas Raimo, one more question: do these prices in the video include vat?
@@yt-paolo its includes VAT but these are typical prices your pay everyone's home and job is different for example if you need a LONGER run of cable or groundwork also remember the grant drops from the 1st of April to a lower amount so ACT FAST
Nicolas Raimo, Thank you 👍
Hello, one of your subscribers here I've been driving a 2015 22kw zoe for just over a year now . I need some help and got question for you. just wandering is there a way to contact you to answer these questions for me
I try my best to answer on comments on videos however everyone who supports me via www.patreon.com/raimonick can direct message me
Why would you Power over Ethernet? Or do you mean Ethernet over power? Very different things
Where did I say this...? You got time stamp code for reference
Nicolas Raimo 2:45
Klaus Dudas ahh your right!!!! I meant Ethernet over power not POE!
Also (6:45) having a patent on it should mean that it exactly the opposite of top secret as a patent is a trade in getting exclusive rights for a period of time in exchange for making an invention public?
Which one comes free with the Zoe.....
Currently non, they used to supply chargemaster unit with zoe on new purchases but in my mind it’s not very smart or clever and a bit ugly
This is excellent. However to be honest they presume too much knowledge.
Hi Chloe welcome to my channel, i wanted to make this video all about the charge points and try keep it within a strict max time limit. I have a series of videos called "how does your electric car work" which will explain cables, plug types etc.... in far more detail ensure you click subscribe and that bell icon not to miss out
Copper Rod doesn’t rot.
no it degrades and can be kicked out the ground. It does suffer from copper erosion which is kinda what i meant saying rot
Can you put your final conclusion which is the best from all the chargers?
Can’t final conclusion as everything does something different for everyone. I have a recap of this video coming soon with in depth reviews on each charge point very soon click subscribe
seems weird not to include rolec
Maybe rolec was mentioned..... and left out for that reason
david coe Just had bad experience with them and they have had high failure rates and poor to nothing in terms of warranty pay out and cover.
@@deanfielding4411 Did you have one of the early ones we have 3 fitted(familly members) all work fine
The socket cost around £300 and material £20 as it was a back to back with the consumer unit
So £700 less £320 = £380, not bad for 2 hours work
As it happens I did have a problem which was to do with the compatibility between Rolec and The Jaguar communicating and they came back twice to sort it which they did
All officially approved contracts have to guarantee units for 3 years otherwise they lose their licence
Your comments are all unfounded in my case, but unlike you I will not speculate as to why you are so
Negative about Rolec. Perhaps they have rocked the boat about contractors charging £500 + plus the government allowance of £500 for half a days work plus the socket and limited material
It's a rip-off. The amount the installers get is ludicrous compared to a normal rate charged by an electrician. If I do get a unit fitted when I move it will be a comando unit. Had a quote for one in garage which already has electric and fitted cost is £150
You will pay a high way duty tax when you charge at home or any were , then a tax on the charger. then pay a electrician to install. then a inviro. in pack fee. then a fee for the wify. how long will the batt last. to replace the batt you will pay a tax on purchase then a tax to dispose the old batt. the volt batt replacement is 15,734.29 dollars. the volt batt last eight years. how many used ele cars are going to be resale. the biggest scam on the driving public ever.
My first gen zoe is 2015 still 97% of its battery capacity, fault battery packs and replacements don’t happen anywhere near what people
Like you think maybe see my other videos researched on this subject before guessing
Hehehe "I still like me tethered"
I want to buy a 150 or higher charger now!
Why?
@@NicolasRaimo imagine 150kW charger. Any car "filled" in about an hour
But why do you need this at home? It’s completely pointless your car spends 90% of a 24 hour period being parked up most of this time is at home
@@NicolasRaimo I'd like to install it on my aunt's house. I like to travel and she lives in a very strategic place. My country is full of mountains
It would cost around £320,000 minimum to get 1 point installed. Which country are you if a country with a good 3 phase supply to every home maybe a 22kw charger be better and getting a Zoe than can charge at that rate AC much cheaper
Earth rods do not cost 50 pound each rod cost per rod is about and UpTo 10 pounds each. Stop lying
To buy yes.... to fit NO
All overpriced if you want ev's to succeed this is another item that should come down in price // did not mention that the Zappi is ideal for solar
Janet this is the cost of a unit that complies to safety and new electric regs that have come in. Prices of units took a huge increase in January 2019 due to safety reg changes. Also cost of a qualified electrician doesn’t come cheap. Then again when you work out the fuel savings made the EV unit gets cheap. I did mention and display zappi2 does solar divert and when you divert by solar then the unit really does pay for it self
No point in getting any of these, you don't charge faster, the car needs juice you fill up.
Guys you need to organized, don’t know what each one does and which is and isn’t wifi
NONE.
Love plug-in hybrid: No range anxiety, no waiting in long public charging lines for your turn, no waiting for long
charging times at public charging stations.
aww bless your catch up with the rest of us soon and realise, there's no range anxiety, no waits for public charging and most your charging is it home. Bless ya thou for commenting.
Need American advice
Hi John am reviewing chargers that also supplied a S sold in US
Don t understand your Britisch English. Sorry
Turn subtitles on ;)
Nicolas Raimo Not used to using subtitles. Excellent idea. Thank you.
Erik Krols is it my accent or Deans you can’t understand
Nicolas Raimo Yours Nicolas. I am sorry.
It's almost like somehow u knew I was on the market for a home charger and made a video to help me! 👍🌟
Which you going for then....
@@NicolasRaimoHey, so I am very new to the EV game, hence thinking of getting the zappi smart ev charger! Just need to find out if it is compatible with the Tesla model 3 :).
All are with model 3 all type 2 standard socket here in the UK
@@NicolasRaimo wow, thank you for confirming that! Subscribed!
Cheers! If your going for a zappi and ring EcoPlugg don’t forget to quote EVnick from £15 off