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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- With onboard SATA and Gigabit network switch how good is this little SBC?
Is the Banana Pi Router fast enough for your needs?
Will there be any end to these fruity wars?
Find out in the first part of this video review.
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1:45 As suspected, 2tb limit sata connector. What would be great is if it supported port multiplier. I'd take this banana pi over as raspberry pi anyday however, simply for the sata port it has. Moreover though, a pci-e port on any board (especially x86) is best!
I was about to order this unit. Good thing I watched your performance review of the product. Will reconsider now. Thanks
+Terry #
Thanks!
I've been on the fence for this for a while, I really appreciate the review, I had a hard time believing that it would support 5 gbe ports and you confirmed my assumption. However the idea is solid, perhaps if they built one using the pi compute module and just provided the required accessories so we could take advantage of the emmc storage as well.
+Daniel Stinebaugh
It's actually pretty good for the price. If you needed a Pi compatible and a, (near), Gigabit speeds, then it's pretty cheap.
But, yes, if you're looking for decent speeds then look elsewhere.
I like your dad jokes and your dad skits, they are a nice combination of refreshing and revolting. Seriously keep it up
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoy them!
Hello, MickMake ! Is it possible to make a similar review testing the value of Banana Pi model R2 for a NAS or a router ? I have a feeling it has better chances with its 3 USB3 and its WAN port independant of the 4 LAN ports, plus other stuff :)
+Darth Killer
I do have it on my list, but not sure when I'll get to it.
To make a cheap portable NAS, get a TP-Link portable Router (Battery Powered!), put OpenWrt on it and Bobs your Uncle! Don't forget to use a USB Harddisk.
I reckon so.
Seeing this gave me an idea. Considering the fact that it runs off 5vcc it could conceivably run off a portable USB power bank. That being the case it could make a decent portable data cloud for phones and other WiFi enabled devices. Also, it might be possible to attach a Bluetooth device to it and make it accessible to devices that way too. In that sense it might actually be useful for on the go data backup while keeping that data "local" more or less. I think it would be interesting if you could do a video on this. Even with the reduced speeds, the convenience of a portable NAS might prove pretty useful.
+ExStatic Bass
Yup that's a great use for one of these. As long as you're not disenchanted by the slow SATA speeds would work well.
+ExStatic Bass
And also worth a video!
Oooo, when did you get your Teensies?
As for this Bananarouter, I guessed right from the beginning that it'd make for a terrible router. Even worse is that they couldn't even bother to update the OpenWRT to the final release of Chaos Calmer, let alone the security-update from March this year. I am delighted, however, that you went to all the effort try it out properly, that's real nice!
Yup. You see that Broadcom chip in a lot of cheap Chinese routers. Works as advertised, but very slow.
This board my son had lying around and he wanted to use it as a NAS box. I had my doubts about it too.
MickMake I wouldn't use ARM for a NAS-box anyways. They're either too underpowered or only have one SATA-port, or both, and then there's the whole thing with unstable software-landscape. At least on the x86-side of things you can get much higher performance and/or more ports, depending on what you want, and the software side of things is a lot more stable and there are several good NAS OSes to choose from.
Nita Vesa
Yes exactly! It's ok if you want a low bandwidth web server or something, but a full on 4K video server. Nope.
+Nita Vesa
BTW Teenies I got as samples from an importer. Long before my Kickstarter arrives!
MickMake You just enjoy making me envious, don't you? :P
Oh, btw, yes, your videos have improved quite a lot. I still find it funny how you pronounce WiFi, but at this point you can just chuck it as one of your trademark quirks! Still wish you'd grow back some of that furry cover on your chin, though. So much of a babyface-thing going on right now :D
Not even PFSense for Banana Pi Router.
I was looking into a Banana Pi VS. a Raspberry Pi as a Wifi Hotspot. The Gigabit Port on the Banana is a great addition, but the hotspot crashed every half hour.
Same configuration on my Raspberry, and no problem.
+Michi Lo
Yup I had a similar unreliability issue on the banana Pi. The WiFi was a little flakey under Linux. Was ok under OpenWRT. Not sure why because OpenWRT is essentially Linux.
MickMake I think as OpenWRT is specialised on router stuff, it has different network drivers than distros like raspbian or Archlinux. Which work better on "less reliable hardware".
I was looking at one of these as a travel router or a bit but decided I was too lazy to configure the open-wrt stuff and found a cheaper board that I can convert to a wifi pineapple nano now that I'm back. Thanks for reviewing this, going to pass now for sure.
+EyesofNova
Yup. As a travel device probably better to have your switch/access point separate.
lol i am new to this stuff. I am tying to make a nas system for myself, I was thinking of using a banana pi but this video probably saved me a bunch of money on a bad boad. Thanks Mick :D. Can you suggest me a good board for nas? I dont mind learning a bit ( a reason i am not going into the more conventional raspberry) but i am getting confused with all those boards out there
thanks Mick, another good' n. I'm getting a bit sick of some of the trash that's being released. Keep up the good work.
+mike conroy
Thanks Mike.
Yup, there's certainly a lot of "interesting" boards around and they are all doing it wrong.
They're all trying to be better than the Pi.
What they should be doing is: be different.
Being different means that they are then honestly filling a need instead of just "being yet another Pi".
Indeed. have you thought about putting something together yourself? You clearly know your stuff.
mike conroy
Actually I have, but I still need to be certain of the need that I have in mind. I can see a gap in the industry, and even though I'd end up making it open hardware I'd prefer to avoid spilling the beans far too early.
Only real possible use for this could be as a Router with a large cache drive on the SATA drive for scenarios where a number of users all browse similar pages. That and could store a copy of Wikipedia dump and possibly host it on the WRT and redirect all Wikipedia urls to it for an educational setting.
+Robin Hilton
Yup. That'd be a nice use for low bandwidth/offline internet situations. Although if you have a 100Mbit feed it'd be faster getting direct from the source instead of through a BPi.
I have two raspberry pis that act as my squid cluster. I'm actually finding now it's slowing things down for me.
+MickMake
I now have a 1000 down/500 up (mbit) connection so not running any caching myself.
However the Offline Wikipedia mirror would be better for rural areas or third world countries and have a system whereby they could cycle 2 drives to get the latest data dump every month or three and send the older data one back.
*****
You're absolutely right. Even at US$60 + US$50 for SATA it's a perfect scenario for low bandwidth situations.
Unfortunately I have to spend a bomb on high speed internet because it'd take me a week just to upload my videos.
But good point. I'll add this to part 2 of this video.
I used to run a cache at home when I had dialup but I just haven't seen any obvious benefit compared to the many drawbacks, since having broadband.
After all, if a user visits the same sites a lot they will be cached on each client anyway. Perhaps on mobile devices with a smaller local cache?
at the end of the video it shows support for Wifi AC but on the OpenWRT website it says that banana pi r1 does not support wifi AC.
The Banana Pi R2 is out. Any thoughts on this new version that seems a lot better ?
Could you also test, validate and review the R3?? Since yes, there is already a Banana Pi BPI-R3 out!
Yup, that’s on my list.
A shame it's performance is so poor, with the SATA connector and those Ethernet ports it could have been useful.
+Izzie
Yup, it did look promising.
Upon expansion of the MickMake empire, you should begin creation of the perfect SBC.
Izzie
Ha ha. I have been tossing around that idea.
I second that idea. We need a more raspberry Pi styled board that doesnt require banana software(lol), that has onboard SATA and Gigabit network switch like this, and possibly a Core/Memory upgrade. Toss the Mic if you see fit...haha.
why is everyone trying to shove raspbian on non pi boards raspbian is setup to only have support for pi hardware so anything that isnt a pi is of course not going to work
I've been wanting to put together a very 'consumer-grade' NAS setup and am having a hard time comparing SBCs. I don't expect to need more than 2TB of storage space. If price is
Well done once again Mick! I was thinking about buying the BPi Router to try a pfsense router. Now I know better. Thanks for saving me the $$(US)!
Thanks mate.
Don't forget there's a newer banana Pi out now, that should be a lot better. Haven't had a chance to review it yet.
I quite like the black tie/white shirt Dr. Who look ...
+Richard T
All I need is the manic stare and I'll be set!
Awe damn. I was hoping for a router oriented OS test, not raspbian :(
so i have a orignal xbox, ps2 and xbox 360 all modded, will this be a good device to be able to have all of my ps2 isos, roms and music on as a dual nas/router for older systems that i need a nas box for? ive played alot with the raspberry pi zero 2 and 3. but would love that but with a network switch to not only stay connected to the internet but also have a SMB folder going at the same time and pop in a ssd
thanks for the info, have you try this with nrf24l01usb ???
I'm going to slowly try to build my own Tablet with the features I want, but i'm having trouble finding an sbc with the features I need and a compatible 10 inch touch screen. Do you have any suggestions?
+fungunfanatic
What primary features are you looking for?
Unfortunately with SBCs there's always a compromise.
Well I'm not so worried about price, as for the tablet I had the idea that If I build it around an sbc I can always upgrade and swap the sbc as needed. I have thought about purchasing a tablet, but none of them seem to have ALL the features I want. I want a high resolution 10 inch screen, I want to be able to install and use any OS I want (Linux/Windows/Android). I assume to achieve the OS' I want I would have to use a 64 bit sbc like LattePanda instead of an arm based sbc. One of the downsides to Lattepanda is the heat. I dunno, I can handle all the building but I'm just not 100% on really any of the hardware. The reason I want to build a tablet instead of buy one is that I absolutely cannot come up with or save 300-500 dollars, but I can purchase the individual parts over time as needed.
The theory is great, but I think in practice it wouldn't work. I was thinking of this a while back, but then you see things like the Ockel Sirius, (www.indiegogo.com/projects/ockel-sirius-a-the-world-s-most-versatile-mini-pc-mobile-design--2#/), on IndieGoGo.
That has everything you need and when it gets old there will be something else around. Only issue is that it's a little pricey.
Or you always pick up a PocketCHIP. Not as powerful, but lasts a long time on a small LiPo.
One year later and this hardware is so out of date and replaced .... and thats good. Google for
"Banana Pi BPI-R2 MTK 7623N" to get 2x SATA 6GBit, 2x USB3 and a much more powerfull CPU with 2GB RAM.
I can even run my MySQL test database on this router now.
+Lothar Scholz
Yup, I have one sitting on my shelf here waiting for a review.
Could you recommend an alternative sbc or sbc combo? Thx.
Please review the R2 and the R64
That remote control IR pulse was groovy
Is there support (does it work at all) for any of the gpios with-in open-wrt ?
+DarkAxi0m
Not sure, but something worth checking. I'll add it to Part 2.
Hi I know this one sounds crap, but I noticed an r2 version and wanted if that has been tested.
Not yet, but it's planned.
MickMake
OK it's just I am after a wifi extender and wander if there any good for that. I do have a nas already tho I may still use it as one to backup cctv footage from my garage. Though I have a open source router,I kinda think the pi version you could do better as the pi was easier to code that a normal router. This is why I was tempted, and plus more customisable, though slower it could have advancagers, if the effect is but in.
can u please make a video on the humingboard and the up squared
+mann2.0
I'll be doing a review on the Up2 once I get mine delivered. The Hunmingbird might be a while away as I have a bucket load of reviews to get through.
I had hopes this would be better 😢
+Annabella Williams
It's not too bad for the price, just don't expect it to respond like a $500 router and NAS box.
MickMake Problem I have is I'm using PFsense on a old PC and finding something low powered that I like.
*****
Thanks. Yup, it's hard to get around all the boards quickly, but that's my intent. To cover every board out there!
Annabella Williams
Yup, it's hard. At lower prices there's always trade offs.
*****
I'm tending to stay away from plain old PC motherboards as they're not really Maker boards per se. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference, but my general rule of thumb is if it doesn't have GPIO pins, then I probably won't review it.
Otherwise my list would be endless!
you just reminded me of the teacher had I in electrical engineering class, he was terrible and wrong about so many things contridicting the book and always being corrected by the class.
+KCOWMOO
Which parts are incorrect? I'm always prepared to be corrected. So, if you can point to the bits that are wrong I'd be happy to correct.
MickMake hey your up, no your not incorrect I very much enjoying the video and get into the technical aspects of the board, what I mean is at the beginning of the video when you had the bow tie and funny glasses with the schematic on a board behind, I had a flash back of school long ago :)
+KCOWMOO
Ah yes. That was the intent. I had a similar experience as well. The guy lecturing analog electronics was hopeless.
MickMake lol yeah it was a great acting scene you did, I had good laugh this guy had as teacher was so bad but the good thing is can laugh about it today 😂
MickMake your channel is great and thanks for all the work and time you have done reviewing these different boards its awesome and helps so much when looking into the best boards for invest into, thanks so much
I am thinking to get one of these but not to use as a router but more like a nas and file sync server. I thought about tossing in a 2tb drive and use it as a file container to sync, backup and occasional stream video from. So far I am doing the same with a raspberry pi 2 and though I had absolutely no issues, the whole external hdd , ethernet cable, power cable are kinda hanging ungracefully. This seems a lot more like a complete unit. embedded sata and wifi has me sold. Anyone used it as a nas?
+John doe
It'd be ok for a NAS, but don't expect blazing performance from it. It'd be fast enough for 1080p and probably 4K.
I was looking for alternative for Raspberry Pi found this one suite my needs
Nice! There is a more recent version of the router.
Could it be used as a DNS server? and yes i know this is a ´older´ video and you wont do another one about this but just asking
Yup, absolutely!
I seems like someone took a network switch and put a interface and hard drive connector on and said hey it's a computer. Switches are layer 2 devices this looks like it would be great for QoS, traffic shaping, maybe a firewall of sorts, plus a good place to hide one's stash of adult literature or plans for world domination which ever you fancy. I wonder if it could handle layer 3 switching... I know it sounds like an oxymoron but it beats trying to subnet a subnet
>100Mbit with OpenWRT, Adblocker, OpenVPN, TOR-Router instructions on : Anleitung auf deutsch : sven-goessling.de/10/02/2015/openwrt-banana-pi-router-bpi-r1-firewall-und-schutz-vor-den-provider/
Thanks for that link.
It'd work well as a DSL router with low speeds, but if you are looking for true 1GBit speeds on the local switch then it'd have trouble keeping up.
Super Typ, danke dir :-D
PF sense Firewall support ??
Love the gag ! It reminds me of something similar ;-)
+Philip Gevaert
I used to have a teacher exactly like that. Very sad!
A good reason for a mic on a PCB is for voice control ala Apple Siri and Amazon Alexa.
+Mike Schinkel
Yup. True. But would be interesting to see if it does actually pick up anything once in a case.
My team is working on a device that could ultimately benefit from simple voice control. Not planning to use this board, but voice control in general.
Mike Schinkel
Have you seen my last Weekly Roundup, (ua-cam.com/video/ysfVFrK1OJk/v-deo.html)? There's a simple voice "recogniser" www.seeedstudio.com/Grove-Speech-Recognizer-p-2708.html
Might do the job for you if you don't need complex voice control. Great for offline...
Or else ReSpeaker? A bit more pricey, but has offline mode.
Yeah, I saw that. Probably not workable. We can probably do what we need using just software. That said, voice control won't be part of our initial MVP.
Mike Schinkel
What's the product you are working on? Or is it hush hush?
Is this board compatible with repeat start i2c?
+Suraj Grewal
Another good question and it's a test I can easily add in future, but I'll add it to part 2 of this review.
thanks
Perfect PfSense Basic Router for wifi captive portal!
+mediacoregroupph
Yup, there's always a use for something.
As far as I know PfSense does not support ARM architecture CPUs. Correct me if I am wrong. If it'd support, it'd definitely be awesome.
how about testing vlan performance?
Yup. I'll add it to the list for part 2.
Could you try this with pfsense?
I try to do as many tests as possible, but there's a lot I don't have time to do. So, I try to get the raw low level tests done.
If I have time during a follow up video I might do a pfsense test
MickMake I think many of the viewers would like to a test/review of the banana pi with pfsense :) due to the low power consumption and compactness
swedisch elite hacker system!!!!!!
I could probably fit it into a comparison video. I'll add it to my list anyway.
MickMake awesome! Thanks. looking forward to it
is there a part 2 review?
+1strog
Not yet!
well then I'm looking forward to see part 2
Part II please?
So I have a foot ethernet from the kitchen to my room out in the garage and need a router to ethernet my ps4, xbox one and switch and laptop and I can attach a 2tb drive to make a nas to store my music and movies and some roms and use my movies for Plex
Please do a review of the "Banana Pi Router 2" they promise a lot better
+Lothar Scholz
I do have one on order. So will be soon.
I thought you might leave us with an overal opinion of the device, especially suggested by the title. But I'm unclear if you are happy with the device or feel it is trash.
+Dylan Durdle
I try to avoid opinions as they can be... well... opinionated and prefer to let the viewer decide. I do, however, give it a rating based on how it works according to its intent.
If you are going to use it as a router then it'll work, but there's a speed issue. For some people this might be an issue and for others it's not.
I've been watching this device for about 1.5 years, debating. Originally I had the belief, if I buy it, I should use OpenWRT on it. There were so many issues with OpenWRT in the first years (think wifi didn't work). I know OpenWRT support has improved on it. Now I'm leaning towards just a Debian Jessie distro. It's been a number of years since I used OpenWRT, I have been exclusively using Tomato on my WRT router for at least the past 8 years. And since Tomato will likely never be supported, no sense going back to OpenWRT.
I have many Raspberry Pi boards, and I use a Banana Pi and Cubieboard2 powered on 24/7 on my network. I only get about 2.5MB/s throughput. I expect the same limitations on this since it is a Banana Pi with LAN switches.
I'm still very much on the fence on this device. I know it's only about $60-$70, but I'm trying to deduce the number of inexpensive toys I buy that collect dust. My junk drawers are full of them already :)
More context, I'm still using a 100Mbit router and G. Old WRT router bought in 2002 that stands the test of time. It is not like I'm expecting 1Gbit speeds or N. My only wired LAN devices are printers, one or two IOT things and a Banana Pi and Cubieboard. Everything else is wifi.
In that case this is probably a decent device for you. It won't give you the 1Gbit speeds of a $1000 switch, but good enough in your case.
I picked it up and I've been using it for a few weeks. Meets my needs, still working on getting everything working in Debian, but all looks well so far.
This obviously sucks so what hardware would you recommend for a good open linux router/firewall/AP ? Preferably under $100USD
Has anyone tried running BSD on this?
You sir are a sadist. BSD is evil atleast the flavor I used was. Open BSD
Are we serious here. You expected a banana pi to perform close to actual servers designed for handling hundreds of connections at once? This device should be compared to other routers like Dlink... as an alternative in the same price range.
+Jake Abel
Hi Jake. With my reviews the expectations I have are the ones given to me by the company selling the product. If they say it'll do XYZ, then I'll test that. If it does or doesn't do it I'll let you guys know.
Generally what you pay for is what you get and things like the Banana Pi is cheap, so you're going to get cheap results.
For some people that's OK!
MickMake The only problem I have is the bench marks you compare it to are of $2000+ systems. Did they actually state it competes with those systems or is it an entry level device for smaller networks of 10-14 devices on at same time.
A good summary of my review is: The network is slow and so is SATA, but you get what you pay for.
For some people, they want faster network and SATA, in which case they'd move up to an UpBoard2 or Jetson TK1.
I just test and present the information; the rest is up to the viewer to decide what's best for them.
MickMake I suppose that is accurate. When you said it is not even on the list under some of the tables because you are looking at a table filled with much more expensive systems. You should find a table filled with items in simulator price/specs to be comparing to. To me it looks like you are comparing Jet engine speeds to how fast can the fastest person in the world run. When you do that you make them look very slow. Should try and find tables with similar priced/spec items for comparing.
+Jake Abel
Yup, it's a little hard as I seem to be the only one going into this depth for SBCs, but as time goes on my uploaded results will add to the list and we'll get a better picture.
hahahaha - good beginning
Are you from Australia? :D
Indeed I am
Nice channel! Earned a sub :)
Thanks mate!
banana pi cluster?
+Didymus 1999
Yup, but there's better boards for a cluster.
MickMake I meant use it for a banana pi cluster as the router if possible. the banana cluster!
Ha ha. Nothing like a banana cluster
lol Turkish Flag on 5:00
how about making it the nsa easy 😂😂😂
Frank`s github for BPI-R2
frank-w do many work on BPI-R2 , also write many documents for it. thank frank-w do the hard wrok.
github.com/frank-w
FW-Web Wiki
fw-web.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:bpi-r2:start
Slow, but sufficient
+philip dias
Yup, that was my thought. If you're not worried about the speed then there's nothing wrong with it.
MickMake needs an updated soc.
the comedy stuff makes your videos unwatchable ...
Sorry to hear that. I'm not one to just sit there and talk. I try to provide the information so its easily digestible.
+Inevitable Crafts Lab
BTW I also provide a way of skipping the gags. There's an annotation up the top which say "Short on time? Click here to skip the gag."