you should donate some of this hardware to various fire museums in Canada. please tell old school fire alarms about this. He'll probably be happy that you salvaged the entire system.
Yeah it's not my first time dealing with alarms not loud enough I had a feeling they wouldn't be loud enough on low volume so I left them and no one said anything
I couldn’t agree more. It’s surprising particularly with piezos how unlike bells they don’t often seem to be able to project the sound through walls so well on low volume
My high school got a new EST panel and swapped bells for EST Genesis horn strobes relatively recently. All detectors were left from the 90s except in the addition built around the same time. The school was built in the late 50s and was modernized and expanded in the 90s. (By the way, on the third day of school this year, one of the ventilation fans caught fire, made a lot of smoke and caused the school to lose power. We also lost all ventilation for about a month after the fire.)
Wow! Awesome job as always. It was kinda weird how the school had the old system setup with the wires like that. It was definitely hard to tell which was which.
You are inspiring me to become an Inspector/tech in the future, I really enjoy watching your videos and they make it feel like I’m ready for the job whenever I decide to start it. Keep up the great content! I know that you were told to set the alarms on low volume but the fact that you said they wouldn’t be loud enough just proves how much you care for the safety of the school. Keep up the great content and I can’t wait to see future replacements!! And yes, majority of the schools from the 50s/60s use black and white wires mainly because of how it was back then, I also learned that myself. Can’t wait to see more!!
Thank you for the comment, it is great to hear that my videos could help or at least someone enjoyed. Have good luck with whatever path you go down for your career.
Going from a typical Canadian fire alarm system of the time to what feels more like a typical modern USA fire alarm system. Edwards is still pretty common in Canada, but Notifier is rarer. Interesting how that gymnasium used an old Edwards Adaptahorn as a school bell. I've seen several older Canadian schools often use 4" or 6" bells as school bells alongside 10" fire alarm bells, so you can at least tell their sound apart (as the fire alarm bells would be louder than the school bells).
It's funny seeing you and the others upgrading a schools fire alarm, while my school doesn't have anything fire safety related except a fire extinguisher.
We used to do it with our internal ground faults however they don't want us repairing internal ground faults anymore that we're not supposed to do that
Great video, can’t wait for the rest of the videos. How come the intrusion alarm was beeping and what did you do to the rest of the detectors which were left over and what did you do with the 851. Keep up the great work!
Intrusion alarm was in trouble because it monitors the fire alarm. the intrusion alarm is also the dialler to call out and the fire alarm system had been ripped apart so it wasn't happy
150 smokes and 10 horns is wild. The residential work I do is opposite, we put 3 smokes in a basement and end up putting 7 horns cause they need 1 in every apartment. Keeping the horns loud was def the right call but I still worry that there's nowhere near enough horns in there
Only 13 or 14 smoke detectors if I recall. the rest were heat detectors because it's a non-sprinklered building you have to install heat detectors as a substitute
The moment when I got home and I checked my notifications on UA-cam and I saw that you installed a new fire alarm system in the school, I start freaking out
At least they gave you 2 different colors, I did one job on a condo building built in the 70’s and they use all one color wire different by floor though. So first floor you had like 2 oranges, 2nd 2 blues, 3rd 2 purple. I gave up and put a battery on the color in the panel so I could figure it out as I went. The wires were textured so you were suppose to be able to tell the difference but they didn’t even use that consistently. I also got electrocuted in the elevator shaft swapping the top of shaft detector, for some reason the I beam was hot when I was at the top of shaft.
That sounds horrible at least with wires that are coloured differently whether it's consistent or not you can still cross reference between two different boxes
Fun fact: Our school Fire alarm system is very different then American and Canadian Fire Alarm System, You Guys Call your Fire alarm pull thingy Pull Stations but as a Australian, we call ours Call Points, and We have Fire alarm Speakers, Call points Strobes, and Bells. And we don't really have Much Sirens as in Air Raid Sirens in, America and Canada, the last time i heard Siren, is in Queensland. It's interesting how different Fire Alarm systems work.
Nice work so far! Also, what all was saved from the system? I was also surprised to hear music in the background as you usually edit it out of the video to protect against copyright.
Well, I had one more thing about the white wire when it comes to go behind someone else’s work you really need to just trace out the wiring and figure it out but with an alarm system installed like that or fire alarm system, there should be some type of schematic already drawn up for it course it may just give you a general idea not an exact but then again like I said you’re going behind somebody else’s work, so it really depends on What they want to hook it up at the time so I got a question about on somebody’s pool station you’re putting and I’m seeing these nice red rings that are attached to the side of them that’s something I’ve never seen before is that to keep people from running into it and breaking the station off or is it serving the purpose?
11:23 the one thing you’re never ever supposed to do with a Durabel bell; “remove the gong” Did you save one though along with the panel? Such treasures these vintage Edwards components are. Also can I have one too? Always wanted my own vintage Durabel.
I might try and put some up on eBay we'll see I'd like to keep a couple myself as I don't have any working ones. since I'm not paid for my work that is my payment is getting the old equipment
My apartment building is outdated on the fire alarm system. Hallways and laundry rooms have fire alarms and all the apartments only have heat sensors. One at the entrance of the apartment and one heat panel above the range. I can barely hear the fire alarm going off in the middle of the night!
Have any customers opted for the systems that provide the slow whooping alerts followed by a voice alert? What makes them choose those systems over the standard beepers?
It’s 3 in the morning I should be asleep but no i decide to watch an hour long video on someone installing a fire alarm system (not saying I regret this decision)
bro my school was built in the 80s and still has (mostly) the original system. Simplex mechanical horns like the 9838 and old strobe plates along with some old T bar pull stations. However, some parts of the school have been replaces with Gentex commander 1s along with notifier NBG-12s and theres even 1 hidden commander 2/3 in one of the downstairs hallways.
@@TorchRBX 9838 my beloved! My elementary/middle school had them on the 4903-9101 plates, and I hated them as a student but greatly appreciate them as an adult alarm enthusiast.
Meanwhile our school fire alarms fail at doing Code 3 properly lmao, It's a notifier panel too, it has System sensor spectre alert classics. Yet every time they go off the alarm will sound twice and then stop randomly not completing Code 3.
Yes conventional systems can always be turned into addressable as long as they are isolated properly which is usually per fire zone which they would already be wired as a zone per fire zone usually
Nice video. One question, why did you have to remove the old bells? They are much nicer and cooler than boring ringing. Bells are what fire alarms should be.
Because bells are less reliable and though I agree that they do sound nice we need all the devices to be matching and be able to know the exact current draw to do calculations
Awesome job! Isn’t it amazing when the guy behind you burns you by not making a wire list or notes. Not your fault but should have been done back when the wires were ran.
With that pull station that one that had the small back box I would probably replace it if I was with you with a SB-IO back box for the BG12 series of pull stations
Well, first time to say you’re doing a good job on what you’re doing second when it comes to annunciators depending on your current, you should be able to wire in more to accommodate the long hallway if y’all chose to or if the school or establishment one and more courses a cost increase on that but anyway And you mention something about the white wire and low voltage applications from low voltage applications. White wire was all it could be hot nine times out of 10. It also could be a neutral wire and if you wanted to know which ones are hot or neutral I don’t know why you guys are not using wire tracers unless you’re single or tone toner basically to tone out those cables, unless you do it the same time but I suspect this is probably an older video because it seems like I’ve seen this one before but I can’t remember anyway you’re doing a good job for your age when I was your age I was doing this stuff set back there we were wiringthe things that you’re replacing now except for you’re actually getting paid to do it so you’re lucky compared to most kids are my age back then it was older people that did this kind of stuff anyway have a good one be watching more of your videos
@@alexgilbert2 great question (as a lower level FA enthusiast) after looking at some of Honeywel's System Sensor public memos, I've noted that right now you can order the indoor LED Strobes and HS (wall and ceiling mounts?) . The legacy ones will be availible to order till December 15th (or while supplies last) Sometime in early 2024, Honeywell will update and replace the outdoor (Advances), (Xenon L Series) chimes, and voice Evac varients will be updated to the new LED standard too. With all that in mind, I bet possibly soon you could start seeing these devices in new applications any day now. I'd say the determining factor might be device availability from FA techs/installers inventory. Cause at least where I'm from, the techs service my work's building still have unopened P2R advances for some reason (as of this past March) when they added several new alarms to our building and even suprisingly replaced a L Series with a P2R in my work's basement 🤷🏻.
Great job but I think for people who don’t know anything about this stuff though (me) you need to speak a little more “english” to explain what things are… I almost had to click off the video due to all these “nerd like” terms… either way I love what your doing so don’t get me wrong… it’s just you kept stating the objects with the technical name rather then making it understandable for a broad UA-cam audience 💯💯 good job though bro 🔥
Thanks. It's a fine line as far as hell to explain things for sure where I agree some things are complex and tricky to understand. So lots of times I try and explain them more basic but then people get upset for me for taking too long so some videos are a little complex and then some are explained more so. Just can be difficult to keep everybody satisfied. Thanks for watching.
Gonna keep the old panel? I know it’s internally grounded, but maybe you could fix/replace the bad component(s). Also could I potentially buy the old iO panel off you? I would like something to replace my ground issue fireshield panel. I could use the old monitor modules for the conventional devices. No need to worry about how I’ll re-program the system, I can do that too.
If I'm not mistaken you didn't need to go through all that trouble checking polarity. Since you're redoing the wiring at the panel and at literally every device you should be able to go with normal coloring and it will work out in the end. AFAIK the only way it wouldn't work is if there's a junction box you don't touch _and_ the colors are crossed inside that box. Obviously the work is already done but that's what I would have suggested.
Not really sure what you mean addressable devices are polarity sensitive a conventional zone is not therefore when you put a device up there is no way of knowing what is positive positive vs negative at your device location without checking with a metre
@@nics-systems-electric If you did a full rewire you could easily switch to a sensible color scheme. Assuming you redid every splice or connection as part of replacing every device you effectively did a complete rewire. The only remaining part would be the physical wires embedded in the walls and I can say with certainty that there isn't a polarity swap in an unbroken length of wire. I hope this explanation makes sense.
@@eDoc2020 I would not consider that a rewire when you were leaving the existing cables in place what you just explained is basically what was done where every box was opened and polarity corrected if needed but messing around with stuff is not a good idea when you're dealing with mineral insulated cables
That is honestly pretty shitty that the color coding was jacked up, I mean, yeah I get that it didn't matter with the Edwards/EST 6500, but still... probably should've had a consistent positive and negative, not good. And I am not blasting you and your crew by any means. You guys did a good job actually.
Now i have a question you see im getting an EST 6630 Edwerds fire controll pannel a bit over 30 years old works like a the best thing ever no problem with it never had a ground fault once. im also getting the bells and the pull stations with it anyhting i should know abt this type of pannel anything helps becouse im just starting a likeing in this stuff ive already started with a DSC Neo and a DSC powerseries (the powerseries works like a charm) im able to code those blind now. so il ask again anything i should know abt this pannel?
also these installers are seeming lazy theve done 50% of it left it and said there waiting for parts to come in and it beens 2 months and they havnt showed up once :/
Never heard of a 6630 unless you mean 6632 which they aren't too complicated but they do have two separate power supplies both need to be fully hooked up to be trouble free unless you disconnect the second board in the second bay as far as ground faults that is a lie if they told you it's never had one every panel has to have been tested for ground fault annually as part of an annual inspection
Bells are audible only and do wear out... Said that, if they're motor bells, they're generally more reliable than breakerpoint bells. You'd have to know exactly what the bells draw for current to properly create battery calculations. Also if they can work with syncronization which is most likely going to be required on a new system.
I've always wondered how the portables are connected to the Fire Alarm System? Due to the portables get moved to different schools, hence the name, "Portable."
@@nics-systems-electric Ah! So schools that have portables keep extra devices to put in the portable after it arrives at the school? Then remove them when the portable is being moved to a different school.
Yeah. For example, my elementary school got a portable in 2018. The portable had System Sensor Spectralert (sorry if I spelled it wrong) classic horn strobes, system sensor heat detectors, and Fire Lite BG-10’s. The system in the school is a Simplex 4007es so they replaced them with SmartSync TrueAlert horn strobes, addressable smoke detectors, and addressable dual action t-bars. Sadly, they left the outdoor alarm and didn’t hook it up.
IMO connecting the old zone lines directly to a battery to check polarity is a bad idea. There's too much potential for a short circuit to happen, either by accidentally touching wires or by a device activating. Your idea of grounding one wire and checking continuity is better in my opinion.
@@nics-systems-electric A 9v battery should be pretty safe because they can't push much current. I thought you were talking about a lead acid panel backup battery which will easily push enough current to melt the insulation on 18awg wiring. Even with a 9v battery I'd suggest using a series resistor to limit fault current. If for nothing else 9v batteries are expensive.
Even old schools in the USA when you update to a new system has to go by new law strobe or horn strobe in every single classrooms the elementary school by my house is being updates to the new law
@@vinnieversaci452 must not have been in the states I've been in as in most places grandfathered in buildings do not need to be brought to new standards as it's impractical and unrealistic
That’s not how it is in my area of the US (ND). All of the elementary schools in my district (most having systems from the 90’s with mechanical horn strobes only in the hallways), were replaced with Simplex 4007es systems about 10 years ago. They just left or replaced the old horn strobes and didn’t really add any. There was even one case at a school that I had summer daycare at when I was little that had EST Integrity chime strobes in the hallways and classrooms in one part that were replaced with TrueAlert es horn strobes only in the hallways and they just put cover plates over the classroom spots. That one always confuses me as I think they should have replaced the classroom ones with remote strobes. In new schools they are having remote strobes or speaker strobes in the classrooms but not the old ones. One other example is my middle school. It is a fairly new building from 2008 with a 4100u system. In the original part, they have no signals in the classrooms.
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you should donate some of this hardware to various fire museums in Canada. please tell old school fire alarms about this. He'll probably be happy that you salvaged the entire system.
The only channel on UA-cam that I am actually excited for a new video
Me too
Me too
same
the fact u disobeyed orders, and kept the alarms at high volume is awesome. doing whats right is better than doing what others say
Yeah it's not my first time dealing with alarms not loud enough I had a feeling they wouldn't be loud enough on low volume so I left them and no one said anything
I couldn’t agree more. It’s surprising particularly with piezos how unlike bells they don’t often seem to be able to project the sound through walls so well on low volume
@@mikeross880that is true I do agree
Having a fire alarm set to low volume, might as well not even have one. it's an elementary school. kids are loud.
You just a hater You mad because you’re not doing what he’s doing
My high school got a new EST panel and swapped bells for EST Genesis horn strobes relatively recently. All detectors were left from the 90s except in the addition built around the same time. The school was built in the late 50s and was modernized and expanded in the 90s.
(By the way, on the third day of school this year, one of the ventilation fans caught fire, made a lot of smoke and caused the school to lose power. We also lost all ventilation for about a month after the fire.)
Great job catching the errors in part list and going above beyond to make sure the system is adequate you are a inspiration. Thank you
Wow! Awesome job as always. It was kinda weird how the school had the old system setup with the wires like that. It was definitely hard to tell which was which.
You are inspiring me to become an Inspector/tech in the future, I really enjoy watching your videos and they make it feel like I’m ready for the job whenever I decide to start it. Keep up the great content! I know that you were told to set the alarms on low volume but the fact that you said they wouldn’t be loud enough just proves how much you care for the safety of the school. Keep up the great content and I can’t wait to see future replacements!! And yes, majority of the schools from the 50s/60s use black and white wires mainly because of how it was back then, I also learned that myself. Can’t wait to see more!!
Thank you for the comment, it is great to hear that my videos could help or at least someone enjoyed. Have good luck with whatever path you go down for your career.
@@nics-systems-electric Anytime man!! I really enjoy your videos, I will definitely try.
Please do more of these, it's fascinating to watch
Like your coordination on how you and your co-workers keep in touch. Might look into some walkie talkies for longer distances.
Going from a typical Canadian fire alarm system of the time to what feels more like a typical modern USA fire alarm system. Edwards is still pretty common in Canada, but Notifier is rarer.
Interesting how that gymnasium used an old Edwards Adaptahorn as a school bell. I've seen several older Canadian schools often use 4" or 6" bells as school bells alongside 10" fire alarm bells, so you can at least tell their sound apart (as the fire alarm bells would be louder than the school bells).
It's funny seeing you and the others upgrading a schools fire alarm, while my school doesn't have anything fire safety related except a fire extinguisher.
Your videos are pretty interesting! Usually in a long form video, I will skip, what is the videos on your channel, I don’t skip. You earned a sub
Hey thanks I appreciate it, glad you enjoyed!
You have such amazing videos. Can’t wait to see part 2 of this replacement
Thank you glad you enjoyed
Nick was extremely nice just want to give the music teacher that fire bell is made me so happy thanks for giving him the bell nic
I've got enough if one can go to a teacher who is going to use it to teach kids about sound or whatever he plans to do might as well
18:07 The Coldplay in the background 😇
47:05 OSHA would like to speak with you regarding your ladder skootch.
Great video!
I love the Foo Fighters, whoever is playing music in the video has great taste of music.
I miss playing rock band
I still see these everywhere I go-
Nice. Can’t wait to see part 2
Tomorrow
I had a fire drill today and my school has so many different alarms and nothing is in sync! I wonder if its legal in Ontario canada
No Canada requires no mixed signals and synchronization
Just finished my fire alarm set up with the help of my dad( and you) :)
I would like to get my hands on one of those giant fire bells.
I wonder how long it takes tho really cool Nic! Also for Halloween I'm getting a motion detector and connecting it to a fire alarm horn strobe.
I routinely track down ground faults. Definitely repairable.
We used to do it with our internal ground faults however they don't want us repairing internal ground faults anymore that we're not supposed to do that
I just love it
also excited to see the video about garage building fire alarm tie in.
14:29 i ❤️ the stuff you do!
Great video, can’t wait for the rest of the videos. How come the intrusion alarm was beeping and what did you do to the rest of the detectors which were left over and what did you do with the 851. Keep up the great work!
Intrusion alarm was in trouble because it monitors the fire alarm. the intrusion alarm is also the dialler to call out and the fire alarm system had been ripped apart so it wasn't happy
Great video Nic. I wish i an old fire bell like that.
150 smokes and 10 horns is wild. The residential work I do is opposite, we put 3 smokes in a basement and end up putting 7 horns cause they need 1 in every apartment. Keeping the horns loud was def the right call but I still worry that there's nowhere near enough horns in there
Only 13 or 14 smoke detectors if I recall. the rest were heat detectors because it's a non-sprinklered building you have to install heat detectors as a substitute
The moment when I got home and I checked my notifications on UA-cam and I saw that you installed a new fire alarm system in the school, I start freaking out
delightful selection of background music
At least they gave you 2 different colors, I did one job on a condo building built in the 70’s and they use all one color wire different by floor though. So first floor you had like 2 oranges, 2nd 2 blues, 3rd 2 purple. I gave up and put a battery on the color in the panel so I could figure it out as I went. The wires were textured so you were suppose to be able to tell the difference but they didn’t even use that consistently. I also got electrocuted in the elevator shaft swapping the top of shaft detector, for some reason the I beam was hot when I was at the top of shaft.
That sounds horrible at least with wires that are coloured differently whether it's consistent or not you can still cross reference between two different boxes
Fun fact: Our school Fire alarm system is very different then American and Canadian Fire Alarm System, You Guys Call your Fire alarm pull thingy Pull Stations but as a Australian, we call ours Call Points, and We have Fire alarm Speakers, Call points Strobes, and Bells. And we don't really have Much Sirens as in Air Raid Sirens in, America and Canada, the last time i heard Siren, is in Queensland. It's interesting how different Fire Alarm systems work.
Awesome video as usual. like the music too lol
Great content as always nic thanks for sharing
Sounds update fresh system for more protection school system! 😊👍🏻
i noticed that old edwards horn in the gym
Man, great taste in music, I was jamming out on certain parts of the video lol
That would be my coworker electrician/DJ lol
Nice work so far! Also, what all was saved from the system? I was also surprised to hear music in the background as you usually edit it out of the video to protect against copyright.
Took the bells and pull stations you can leave music in the videos you just have to know where the fine line is
foo fighters 🔥nice video tho
Would there be junction boxes for some of the old system..? Maybe correct the reverse poles there...?
Im always curious how much all the parts for full system replacements cost
they cost thousands of pounds in the uk
Well, I had one more thing about the white wire when it comes to go behind someone else’s work you really need to just trace out the wiring and figure it out but with an alarm system installed like that or fire alarm system, there should be some type of schematic already drawn up for it course it may just give you a general idea not an exact but then again like I said you’re going behind somebody else’s work, so it really depends on What they want to hook it up at the time so I got a question about on somebody’s pool station you’re putting and I’m seeing these nice red rings that are attached to the side of them that’s something I’ve never seen before is that to keep people from running into it and breaking the station off or is it serving the purpose?
How does the addressing transfer through the wires to the panel? Is it certain electrical pulses or does one act as a data cable?
Just data with power to power the devices
11:23 the one thing you’re never ever supposed to do with a Durabel bell; “remove the gong” Did you save one though along with the panel? Such treasures these vintage Edwards components are. Also can I have one too? Always wanted my own vintage Durabel.
I might try and put some up on eBay we'll see I'd like to keep a couple myself as I don't have any working ones. since I'm not paid for my work that is my payment is getting the old equipment
My apartment building is outdated on the fire alarm system. Hallways and laundry rooms have fire alarms and all the apartments only have heat sensors. One at the entrance of the apartment and one heat panel above the range. I can barely hear the fire alarm going off in the middle of the night!
When i was a kid i used to be afraid of the sound it made
What are those old Edwards Adaptahorns for? I assume class change 'bells' because the fire system was bells and they needed a distinct sound
Yes class change
@@nics-systems-electric I’d be like “can we lock out tag out these adaptahorns before we start?” Those things are LOUD when adjusted to full volume!
Have any customers opted for the systems that provide the slow whooping alerts followed by a voice alert? What makes them choose those systems over the standard beepers?
If a voice evac system is required it will be installed the code in that area and type of building is what dictates what Hass to be installed
It’s 3 in the morning I should be asleep but no i decide to watch an hour long video on someone installing a fire alarm system (not saying I regret this decision)
My school's fire alarm you just scare the crap out of me as a kid
It pains me to see this old system go, but understandable why it has to happen.
bro my school was built in the 80s and still has (mostly) the original system. Simplex mechanical horns like the 9838 and old strobe plates along with some old T bar pull stations. However, some parts of the school have been replaces with Gentex commander 1s along with notifier NBG-12s and theres even 1 hidden commander 2/3 in one of the downstairs hallways.
@@TorchRBX 9838 my beloved! My elementary/middle school had them on the 4903-9101 plates, and I hated them as a student but greatly appreciate them as an adult alarm enthusiast.
I also love that the fire alarm is covered in the gym but the bell isn’t
It is I flipped up the cage and then put it back
Meanwhile our school fire alarms fail at doing Code 3 properly lmao, It's a notifier panel too, it has System sensor spectre alert classics. Yet every time they go off the alarm will sound twice and then stop randomly not completing Code 3.
Almost sounds like somebody's got the nac's set to temporal three as well as device...
So the wiring for a conventional vs addressable system is compatible enough you don’t have to pull any new wire?
Yes conventional systems can always be turned into addressable as long as they are isolated properly which is usually per fire zone which they would already be wired as a zone per fire zone usually
Nic try Gent by Honeywell it’s British it’s really good and has voice evac built into the vigilon range try a demo board of it
what model were the bells? also hopefully the pull-stations and the bells didn't get thrown away
There was a few some were Edwards Durabell some Edwards MB10-24 Mircom BL-10B and a system sensor SSM24-10A
Nice video. One question, why did you have to remove the old bells? They are much nicer and cooler than boring ringing. Bells are what fire alarms should be.
Because bells are less reliable and though I agree that they do sound nice we need all the devices to be matching and be able to know the exact current draw to do calculations
@@nics-systems-electric You are right with that.
RIP noble 6500…thank you for a noble 40+ years of stellar service. Bye bye Durabels 😢
I also would have wanted to keep the fire bell
Awesome job! Isn’t it amazing when the guy behind you burns you by not making a wire list or notes. Not your fault but should have been done back when the wires were ran.
So it WAS basically used to be 2 separate cross-monitored systems…like your current setup at home?
Yes similar
With that pull station that one that had the small back box I would probably replace it if I was with you with a SB-IO back box for the BG12 series of pull stations
Not sure what you were referring to in video but if it had Pyro going into it it's a pain to replace the box
34:48 whos playing the music, love a bit of sub focus
Please keep the panel, it is really cool, and if possible, maybe you can see one of these days, try to fix the ground fault
Ground fault is fixed but there is another trouble it's been sitting around my garage for a few months haven't worked on it in a little bit
Whats the issue?@@nics-systems-electric
Ok yea that system needed to be junked and replaced.
Well, first time to say you’re doing a good job on what you’re doing second when it comes to annunciators depending on your current, you should be able to wire in more to accommodate the long hallway if y’all chose to or if the school or establishment one and more courses a cost increase on that but anyway And you mention something about the white wire and low voltage applications from low voltage applications. White wire was all it could be hot nine times out of 10. It also could be a neutral wire and if you wanted to know which ones are hot or neutral I don’t know why you guys are not using wire tracers unless you’re single or tone toner basically to tone out those cables, unless you do it the same time but I suspect this is probably an older video because it seems like I’ve seen this one before but I can’t remember anyway you’re doing a good job for your age when I was your age I was doing this stuff set back there we were wiringthe things that you’re replacing now except for you’re actually getting paid to do it so you’re lucky compared to most kids are my age back then it was older people that did this kind of stuff anyway have a good one be watching more of your videos
27:39 whoever is listening to that song has good taste!
Foo Fighters
Ngl, its kinda sad to see one these vintage panels go
Is ok there's plenty of 6500's they were everywhere
Pretty much every school fire alarm system that your company maintains is notifier.
The school district only works with notifier products for any new installs
Is that your drone taking the inital pictures from above at the beginning of the video?
Yes
Is this the same school you filmed the annual test where you stayed by the panel in the portables and would go outside and yell "RESET!"?
I think so.
Yes
Hey Nic, did you take the bells and pulls with you? Maybe smokes too?
Took some stuff there are no smokes I talked about that in the video
Oh okay. What about that 6500 system you have in your garage? The one from the other elementary school?
@@kashtonklein4608 the one in my garage is the one from this school
@@nics-systems-electric okay. Cool
Great video Nic. What's your thoughts on the new L Series LED's?
As for the wall mount devices I'm not a fan of the look but the ceiling mount looks fine and from a practical standpoint I'm sure they are just fine
@@nics-systems-electric same thoughts exactly the wall mount looks weird.
@@adamk9652when do you predict they will be installed?
@@alexgilbert2 great question (as a lower level FA enthusiast) after looking at some of Honeywel's System Sensor public memos, I've noted that right now you can order the indoor LED Strobes and HS (wall and ceiling mounts?) . The legacy ones will be availible to order till December 15th (or while supplies last) Sometime in early 2024, Honeywell will update and replace the outdoor (Advances), (Xenon L Series) chimes, and voice Evac varients will be updated to the new LED standard too.
With all that in mind, I bet possibly soon you could start seeing these devices in new applications any day now. I'd say the determining factor might be device availability from FA techs/installers inventory. Cause at least where I'm from, the techs service my work's building still have unopened P2R advances for some reason (as of this past March) when they added several new alarms to our building and even suprisingly replaced a L Series with a P2R in my work's basement 🤷🏻.
@@adamk9652 Thanks for the information!! So the xenons will still be available until December 15th if I recall correctly?
What do they do with the fire bells?
Gave one to a teacher and kept the rest
Great job but I think for people who don’t know anything about this stuff though (me) you need to speak a little more “english” to explain what things are… I almost had to click off the video due to all these “nerd like” terms… either way I love what your doing so don’t get me wrong… it’s just you kept stating the objects with the technical name rather then making it understandable for a broad UA-cam audience 💯💯 good job though bro 🔥
Thanks. It's a fine line as far as hell to explain things for sure where I agree some things are complex and tricky to understand. So lots of times I try and explain them more basic but then people get upset for me for taking too long so some videos are a little complex and then some are explained more so. Just can be difficult to keep everybody satisfied. Thanks for watching.
Gonna keep the old panel? I know it’s internally grounded, but maybe you could fix/replace the bad component(s). Also could I potentially buy the old iO panel off you? I would like something to replace my ground issue fireshield panel. I could use the old monitor modules for the conventional devices. No need to worry about how I’ll re-program the system, I can do that too.
I sold the IO panel a couple months ago and I've had the 6500 for a couple months got the ground fault gone but there's another trouble
@@nics-systems-electric oh. I thought that was a different panel.
Was you doing this during school time or after school?
Summer break
Ok
If I'm not mistaken you didn't need to go through all that trouble checking polarity. Since you're redoing the wiring at the panel and at literally every device you should be able to go with normal coloring and it will work out in the end. AFAIK the only way it wouldn't work is if there's a junction box you don't touch _and_ the colors are crossed inside that box. Obviously the work is already done but that's what I would have suggested.
Not really sure what you mean addressable devices are polarity sensitive a conventional zone is not therefore when you put a device up there is no way of knowing what is positive positive vs negative at your device location without checking with a metre
@@nics-systems-electric If you did a full rewire you could easily switch to a sensible color scheme. Assuming you redid every splice or connection as part of replacing every device you effectively did a complete rewire. The only remaining part would be the physical wires embedded in the walls and I can say with certainty that there isn't a polarity swap in an unbroken length of wire. I hope this explanation makes sense.
@@eDoc2020 I would not consider that a rewire when you were leaving the existing cables in place what you just explained is basically what was done where every box was opened and polarity corrected if needed but messing around with stuff is not a good idea when you're dealing with mineral insulated cables
That is honestly pretty shitty that the color coding was jacked up, I mean, yeah I get that it didn't matter with the Edwards/EST 6500, but still... probably should've had a consistent positive and negative, not good. And I am not blasting you and your crew by any means. You guys did a good job actually.
It's definitely easier when colours are consistent
Now i have a question you see im getting an EST 6630 Edwerds fire controll pannel a bit over 30 years old works like a the best thing ever no problem with it never had a ground fault once. im also getting the bells and the pull stations with it anyhting i should know abt this type of pannel anything helps becouse im just starting a likeing in this stuff ive already started with a DSC Neo and a DSC powerseries (the powerseries works like a charm) im able to code those blind now. so il ask again anything i should know abt this pannel?
also these installers are seeming lazy theve done 50% of it left it and said there waiting for parts to come in and it beens 2 months and they havnt showed up once :/
Never heard of a 6630 unless you mean 6632 which they aren't too complicated but they do have two separate power supplies both need to be fully hooked up to be trouble free unless you disconnect the second board in the second bay as far as ground faults that is a lie if they told you it's never had one every panel has to have been tested for ground fault annually as part of an annual inspection
Yes sry 6632
Ok thanks
She for asking so late it's prob 11:40 pm for you when I send this
So why couldn’t you have left the fire alarm bells in place versus the electronic siren
Because if you update one you have to update it all and bells are less reliable and do wear out
Bells are audible only and do wear out...
Said that, if they're motor bells, they're generally more reliable than breakerpoint bells.
You'd have to know exactly what the bells draw for current to properly create battery calculations.
Also if they can work with syncronization which is most likely going to be required on a new system.
I wish I could be part of this
Become an electrician or electrical apprentice
Thanks for saying that Nic but I got some time to wait I’m 10 years old
Fire lite: why not me😢
How much did the school district pay for this whole job?
I'm not sure the cost of material and the one fire alarm technician to be on site
I've always wondered how the portables are connected to the Fire Alarm System? Due to the portables get moved to different schools, hence the name, "Portable."
Devices and type of just get switched depending on what school they are at
@@nics-systems-electric Ah! So schools that have portables keep extra devices to put in the portable after it arrives at the school? Then remove them when the portable is being moved to a different school.
@@michaelclark2022 no you just get new devices when the portables get moved
@@nics-systems-electric Ok!
Yeah. For example, my elementary school got a portable in 2018. The portable had System Sensor Spectralert (sorry if I spelled it wrong) classic horn strobes, system sensor heat detectors, and Fire Lite BG-10’s. The system in the school is a Simplex 4007es so they replaced them with SmartSync TrueAlert horn strobes, addressable smoke detectors, and addressable dual action t-bars. Sadly, they left the outdoor alarm and didn’t hook it up.
Is this a notifier l series system
I have been dieing to know but where do yo buy fire alarm equitment
For my personal projects or actual projects? My personal stuff I just get on eBay
i say actual projects@@nics-systems-electric
So you’re using existing wire?
Yes
Ensure you let Congress know and train them to stay away from them.
The amount of scrap switches your getting should be Good money at scrap Yard
IMO connecting the old zone lines directly to a battery to check polarity is a bad idea. There's too much potential for a short circuit to happen, either by accidentally touching wires or by a device activating. Your idea of grounding one wire and checking continuity is better in my opinion.
Done it lots before it doesn't hurt anything if you cause a short you don't need more than a 9 V battery to be able to troubleshoot
@@nics-systems-electric A 9v battery should be pretty safe because they can't push much current. I thought you were talking about a lead acid panel backup battery which will easily push enough current to melt the insulation on 18awg wiring. Even with a 9v battery I'd suggest using a series resistor to limit fault current. If for nothing else 9v batteries are expensive.
why is there a bouncy castle here?
Field user group had it there
Lives and property saved by pull stations: 0 and 0
What?
See in the usa national fire code requires a horn strobe or at least a strobe in every single classroom
This school is not a new build
Even old schools in the USA when you update to a new system has to go by new law strobe or horn strobe in every single classrooms the elementary school by my house is being updates to the new law
@@vinnieversaci452 must not have been in the states I've been in as in most places grandfathered in buildings do not need to be brought to new standards as it's impractical and unrealistic
That’s not how it is in my area of the US (ND). All of the elementary schools in my district (most having systems from the 90’s with mechanical horn strobes only in the hallways), were replaced with Simplex 4007es systems about 10 years ago. They just left or replaced the old horn strobes and didn’t really add any. There was even one case at a school that I had summer daycare at when I was little that had EST Integrity chime strobes in the hallways and classrooms in one part that were replaced with TrueAlert es horn strobes only in the hallways and they just put cover plates over the classroom spots. That one always confuses me as I think they should have replaced the classroom ones with remote strobes. In new schools they are having remote strobes or speaker strobes in the classrooms but not the old ones.
One other example is my middle school. It is a fairly new building from 2008 with a 4100u system. In the original part, they have no signals in the classrooms.
de'aonote cin👍👍
are you going to keep the old system
cus one day you should take out an old system and do a giveaway
The parts that are any good I'll keep
@@nics-systems-electric Nice.
Why was there a ceiling mount L series
Was thought to have been needed as a replacement for the ceiling mount bell during the initial device count
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