One thing this video reminded me of is the old rumor about Loki/Avenger Prime pulling a team of multiversal Avengers to save the day. Imagine if part of Secret Wars is Loki finding the most powerful variants of the OG Avengers in the void and popping out of a TVA portal just in time for the final battle.
“New Mask Same Task” They are simply variants; I’m telling you Franklin Richards is a Tony/Victor variant as well. Howard Stark looks just like Pedro’s Reed; Maria Stark was a brilliant scientist just like Susan &Maria HAD a brother actually died as a kid
Here's my team line up for the Dark Avengers in 616 comics continuity -Hydra Cap -Superior Iron Man -Maestro Hulk -Superior Spider-Man -Evil Hawkeye variant -Evil Black Widow variant -Red Hulk -Golden Jaguar(Killmonger) -Sabretooth Also, we could see the Dark Avengers show up in Avengers Doomsday.
@@InternetSadonope. That just doesn't make sense. The Russo's said he's playing Victor Von Doom,not a Stark variant. Not saying Marvel hasn't lied about characters before. I think Doom is going to pose as a Stark variant to gain the heroes trust. I really hope RDJ and the returning Avengers play multiverse versions of themselves and a couple of them evil version as well.
Kang removed the mutants so that Franklin Richards wouldn't exist and be able to write him out of existence removing his control, Dr Doom wants to influence this power, and brings the mutants back
Hey Josh! I know it’s been a while. Resident nerdvenger for 9 months. Can you do a video on the daredevil leaks regarding Johnny blaze and the trial with Matt Murdock and it being Keanu ?
That’s what needs to happen. They probably should do movies of the evil variants too but one of each variant. They can be its own little trilogy instead of multiple movies for each individual.
Look, do I want this type of story to happen? Yes! Do I think modern day Disney Marvel will be competent enough to pull off a great story with great reasons to bring back the OG heroes? No! There is not much that points to them being able to pull it off without feeling like they are bringing back the OG's for some reason other than a shallow attempt at fixing the damage they have already caused to the IP. I will always have hope for my favorite heroes but as a life long fan of these characters, I have legitimate concerns..
it wouldn’t even be hard to do an evil cap, hydra found him in the ice before shield could & did the winter soldier mind control on him, that’s a super lazy thought but it’s not a hard concept to toy with
I don’t think 616 gets saved at the end of Secret Wars. I think it gets wiped out and the 616 characters that are going to continue will crossover into another universe like Miles in the comics
Thanks for making this video. I’ve seen some REALLY unimaginative theories that do sound really really cheap and that’s not how marvel rolls when it comes to these avengers movies.
I gotta know, how would spider-man be the anchor being? If the 616 is the sacred timeline and the other timelines can’t exist without it, what happens when spider-man dies, even if old age? How did the timeline exist, before spider-man was born?
Josh is just like Star Wars theory, you guys have an awesome outlook on the things you cover. I seriously hope this is what marvel does, it would make for a great story and return of all these characters. But as always, never underestimate Disney’s ability to F things up 😂
When exactly did they lose money buddy? The only movie that lost money after Endgame is The Marvels. Let's talk facts. Spider-Man Far From Home: 1.1 Billion. Black Widow: 379 Million ( It came out during Covid ). Shang Chi: 432 Million ( During Covid ). Eternals: 402 Million. Spider-Man No Way Home: 1.95 Billion. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: 955 Million. Thor Love & Thunder: 760 Million. Black Panther Wakanda Forever: 860 Million. Ant-Man & The Wasp Quantumania: 476 Million. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol.3: 845 Million. The Marvels: 206 Million. Deadpool & Wolverine: 1.3 Billion. Wanna talk about the shows now? You think WandaVision or Loki, or Falcon and the Winter Soldier or Moon Knight or anything else DIDN'T make money? Even She-Hulk made them money. Even Secret Invasion had enough viewership, although it was terrible. What's your point then? Movies after Endgame made more than 7 Billion. Tv Shows made anywhere from 6 to 13 Billion dollars. That's a minimum total of 13 Billion dollars MINIMUM.
This was literally always the plan for secret wars. You really think they’re gonna do a multiverse saga right after killing off Tony stark and Natasha and taking Steve rogers off the map and NOT bring back the characters who died? That’s literally the whole reason for doing a multiverse saga man.
@@BobTwi-g4e There are plenty of Fan-Favorite projects that came after the Infinity Saga. You might not like some and that's fair. Everything is subjective. But the objective truth is that many people love many projects that came out after Endgame.
@@AlexVagda appreciate your numbers here… I wish more people came with evidence… I just read that Disney purchased marvel for $4 billion in 2009, which is way earlier than I remember them purchasing it… But you know memory is shit Marvel is now worth over $50 billion …. Not every project is gonna make money, although this is probably the most successful movie franchise of all time. And when you’re on top, the only place to go is down… It’s hard to stay on top I do love Marvel and it’s fun to see the stories, but yeah, there has been some slop recently… I think it’s coming back though, either way I’m gonna enjoy the ride
I don't know any evil versions of Thor or Hawkeye(Clint). I know Maestro is evil version of Hulk. Ultimate Universe had an evil version of Natasha who I think became Iron Maiden (she married Tony, he made her a suit and she killed him and Clint's family). And I never red it, but I believe either Steve was modeled to be evil or Red Skull possessed him. I know Exiles had an evil version of Carol Danvers who ran with an evil Hyperion for a while. But beyond all that there is also the Cancerverse which had evil immortal versions of the Avengers and others.
See heroes, or maybe it’s marvel’s writing, can be corny. But we still love them. Imagine seeing them as villains where they can be evil characters with more depth that isn’t corny but truly impactful like a thanos
I absolutely despise this anchor being concept. If a universes existence is dependent on anchor beings, being alive, how was any given universe stable before the anchor being was born.
Give me the evil lineup of Hydra Cap, Doom, and evil Beta Ray Bill, a more ruthless Yelena that became the Ultimate Black Widow (no remorse, straight killer), Hawkeye’s wife Mockingbird and Maestro… have them kick the 2 Avengers B team then bring back the OGs in Secret Wars! Beautiful movie aka “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!”
Hope so! What if Evans came back as a Red Skull variant? Scarjo as Peggy Carter, Peggy actor as Black Widow. Jeremy Renner as Quicksilver,Quicksilver as Hawkeye. Bet you didn't see that coming?
Whats up josh? Just wanted to give you your flowers. Of all the marvel content creators I believe your videos always hold more weight compared to the rest but thank u for being a fan of comics and sharing that with us. But wanted to ask, what do you think about a evil version of Natasha Romanoff who becomes taskmaster? Instead of the little girl that survived that bomb? I haven’t heard this yet, but I believe you can make it fit, especially with the rumors that taskmaster will die and thunderbolts. Give me a shout out if you like this and your next video.
I don't like it but... Cap could be - a Red Skull with plastic surgery to look like Cap as Skull had done in the comics. The reveal that he is actually Red Skull would be cool as opposed to Nazi Cap - Original Baron Zemo. The reveal when the hood is taken off would be fun - an amalgamation of Nuke and Cap where Cap was brainwashed and manipulated as Nuke was; complete with face tattoo. Thor could be - a version of Ulik. A Thor that was adopted as an infant by the Rock Trolls now fights for the trolls - a version of Bloodaxe. A vengeful, broken Thor who may have never realized he was always worthy - The Serpent. After the loss of (something/someone) he became so enraged, he became the God of Fear. Banner could be - Maestro and Joe Fixit should be see screen. This might be the way we're getting an under-powered Maestro hence why it's not my most favored option - a version of Doctor Frye unironically called Doc Green but for all intents and purposes is Banner with Frye powers - Wizard. This one is all Ruffalo who has gone evil Hawkeye could be - Trickshot. Evil Hawkeye. Since we never got his backstory, they never told us if he was once a bad guy. Here's an opportunity to quickly explain one - Atlas. Remember that time Barton was Goliath? Well, now he's replacing Josten as Atlas. For both casual and intense fans, this would be fun - Andrea Von Strucker. Any excuse to use (at least one of) the twins. Widow could be - Lucia Von Bardas. In a nod to her ties in both the MCU and the comics, she gets to work, once again, with Stark/Doom - Omega Black. This one's a stretch but eludes to mutants; something MCU continues to do. This makes her something of a Winter Soldier but unique in the MCU. I would've gone for Ursa Major but, realistically, there would be resistance from fans given the drama of Johansson and the company - Headmistress. Had things gone differently, she would've taken Drakoff's spot. Spider-Man could be - Kristoff Vernard
It will be so emotio al seeing g evil avengers putting the smack down on our heroes. But it will be best feeling ever when you see the og good guys come back and save the day. Delicious!
If the new avengers have any difficulty to understand that the variants of the old avengers are just.... variants... visually close but totally different persons, if it they try to do any "drama" with it as you are suggesting, I'm gonna shit on my hand and throw it at the screen. Seriously.
That is really really really mid for doomsday. I hope it’s the black swans and the Illuminati working with doom in doomsday and the evil avengers don’t happen til secret wars fingers crossed
Look, who says that Doom recruits evil variant versions of mcu heroes or Doom has to recruit evil versions. That, imo, make very little sense & a very lazy approach. 1st off, Doom does nit know anything about 616 Earth heroes...he's appear to be trying to assess what timeline is viable & it apparently is the one that Loki, the current overseer of the multiverse, is from. Doom appear to be looking for special being who is just as sympathetic to Doom's cause, after losing their own universe/timeline & all that comes with it(like Wade in DP), friends, family, livelihood, their home planet, etc. Don't have to evil for that...and many on Doom's team probably don't know the nefarious plan Doom is trying to achieve. They more likely believe just as much as he does, that they're doing the right thing & sympathetic to that cause because of their own losses & tribulations. I don't think they all will be evil & some may turn against in Part2, after they learn his true intentions.
What's the point of the Avengers heirs (Sam, Belova, Kate Bishop, etc.) if the good OG Avengers come back and defeat all the evil OG Avengers? The New Avengers are completely useless in a story like this.
Because the og avengers are awesome and nobody cares about or wants the new avengers because the new avengers are just so bland and boring and I garuntee you that brave new world is going to flop
Well that's a problem of the people who are paying to see these movies as part of the average audience are not comic book nerds so bringing back the heroes we like but twisting them into some evil version based on some silly Subterranean Comic-Con plot is not really going to go over very well. Do you understand we are not going to like it do you understand we don't want to do any deep research or reading or have to review any past runs of a various comics that's not why we go to the theater. Well you're discussion of the reasoning behind this is quite fascinating meaning I had a hard time bearing up through all of it If we have to do research for this no one's going to see it and I don't know how long it will take Marvel to learn that
They don't need to be evil. It would be better if they weren't. It would be better if they were just morally grey and more okay with destroying other universes to save their own. Having them all be evil just seems like some lazy CW type stuff. It would be much more interesting if they were more like the 616 versions where they still kind of think they are doing the right thing. Having them just be completely evil just seems lazy. If they were going to make them evil, it would be better if we got to see what made them that way. Or maybe have it so than Dr. Strange or someone from the 616 destroyed their universe and have Doom save them. Or even have Doom destroy their universe but he saves them and convinces him that it was the 616 universe that destroyed theirs. That way instead of having 2 different variants of each appear (the evil and the regular ones), they could have the evil variants learn at the end that Doom was behind it all and have them turn on him so that they actually redeem themselves
Honestly, can't stand Steve Rogers as a character in the MCU. Started perfect, ended perfect, got everything he wanted, while Thor and Tony literally lost everything. I'd like to see a darker version of Steve similar to the comics with the HYDRA storyline of him being evil all along.
That’s literally Josh’s job. To make speculation videos. His den of nerds community and UA-cam actually pay him a livable wage to speculate about this stuff. He’s got a pretty decent track record as well. If you didn’t enjoy it, you don’t have to watch. I think this video is mostly addressing some toxic and unimaginative members of the fandom that insist for some reason that, even with all these good story ideas and ways they can pull this off well, they’re just gonna slop it together because they want their movies to be garbage?
@Darth_K_K Ahhh. That's why he didn't talk about it. Nerdrotic has no reputation for being any kind of scooper or accurate. Nobody but a fan of his would take that seriously.
@@chillininthebasement He isn't really trying to be a scooper, he didn't even make a video about it, he just mentioned it once on a stream when asked about it.
Guys EVERYONE is wrong and only Josh is right. He’s right about everything. He’s never wrong. He’s perfect. He IS marvel. He knows the most about everything. You’re always wrong. He’s always right. He’s perfection. deal with it
This is all getting dumb and the flip side of a money grab. Comics can suck. They’re not all great. All life is morally grey. If this is the case then you still believe. I think we already went through this. Time lines. We’re all in a time line. This is as bad as StarWars sequels; maybe worse.
Copetastic take. The MCU has been bleeding viewership from unwise culture war pandering and their remedy is to lather these films in nostalgia (literally two coats of it) to get butts back in the seats - not because it's a good story to tell or because they took the time to tell one. But Disney wants their money and we all know Hollywood has become a toxic recycling plant.
@mustermas Culture WAR I said, not culture. Learn to read. If you don't know what that phrase means you've been living in a cave under your mom's basement since EndGame.
You really think they’re gonna slop these avengers movies together knowing how much they have to lose when there ARE good story ideas literally RIGHT THERE and they’re just gonna slop it together cause they feel like it? Nah man.
Video title says everyone is wrong but all he did was speculate. Not like Josh has a proven track record to be an authority on anything. He’s not even a real scooper, he’s a second hand news source 😂😂
Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy(except Starlord) are in space. Ms Marvel is gathering the young Avengers by meeting Hawkeye/Kate Bishop, while Wiccan is looking for his brother Tommy, Hulkling, Ms America, and most definitely Patriot might make appearances in Captain America: Brave New World, and most of the anti-hero type characters(Bucky, Yelena, Etc) are going to be in Thunderbolts. This leaves Black Panther/Shuri, Iron Patriot, Shang-Chi, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Wasp, and Spider-Man as the new Avengers for Doomsday. Hawkeye/Clint Barton and Hulk may even come back to help. And we cant forget about White Vision. With Wonder Man coming soon, he too could play a part. In my opinion. I feel like the Young Avengers are going to be separated from the other heroes and perhaps be the only ones who "remember" the 'old' universe after Secret Wars.
Again… “when you mess with time, it messes back.” They left that door open to play on how they’re making RDJ Doom.
Good one
AND the conversation Tony n his dad had in ENDGAME about the due date of his pregnant wife.
This would be sick, actually sounds like a legit storyline that’s worth watching play out.
i like both marvel and dc this marvel vs dc bull is making me sad but i do agree about this topic
One thing this video reminded me of is the old rumor about Loki/Avenger Prime pulling a team of multiversal Avengers to save the day. Imagine if part of Secret Wars is Loki finding the most powerful variants of the OG Avengers in the void and popping out of a TVA portal just in time for the final battle.
With the way the world is going, we’ll probably be dead before these movies come out!
“New Mask Same Task”
They are simply variants; I’m telling you Franklin Richards is a Tony/Victor variant as well.
Howard Stark looks just like Pedro’s Reed; Maria Stark was a brilliant scientist just like Susan &Maria HAD a brother actually died as a kid
Here's my team line up for the Dark Avengers in 616 comics continuity
-Hydra Cap
-Superior Iron Man
-Maestro Hulk
-Superior Spider-Man
-Evil Hawkeye variant
-Evil Black Widow variant
-Red Hulk
-Golden Jaguar(Killmonger)
-Sabretooth
Also, we could see the Dark Avengers show up in Avengers Doomsday.
bro the ironman variant is gonna be Doom
@@InternetSadonope. That just doesn't make sense. The Russo's said he's playing Victor Von Doom,not a Stark variant. Not saying Marvel hasn't lied about characters before. I think Doom is going to pose as a Stark variant to gain the heroes trust. I really hope RDJ and the returning Avengers play multiverse versions of themselves and a couple of them evil version as well.
I would prefer the early rumour on the Masters of evil in the MCU
Kang removed the mutants so that Franklin Richards wouldn't exist and be able to write him out of existence removing his control, Dr Doom wants to influence this power, and brings the mutants back
Your presentation is excellent, thanks for your informed ideas
Fire topic and fire video Josh!
If you look at the heroes in the 616 atm, they are fucked when doom comes
As long as it's story-driven that's fine by Me!!!
Hey Josh! I know it’s been a while. Resident nerdvenger for 9 months. Can you do a video on the daredevil leaks regarding Johnny blaze and the trial with Matt Murdock and it being Keanu ?
🤘🏿This is a concept that has several ties to the comics. Comes as no surprise.🤘🏿
Not Brooklyn, Harlem
DC really shooting MCU in the back right now, MCU is just kneeling down on it’s Fantastic 4’s and taking back shots 😔
No Diddy
1:02 The “story” wouldn’t be “driven” in this direction if they had better writing in their post-Infinity Saga movies and they were better received.
It was Harlem that Hulk destroyed not Brooklyn. Big difference.
That’s what needs to happen. They probably should do movies of the evil variants too but one of each variant. They can be its own little trilogy instead of multiple movies for each individual.
Dr. Doom/Infamous Iron Man, Hydra Cap,, King Thor (Arrogant/Tyrant), Maestro Hulk, Ronin/Hawkeye, Red Widow.
What if old man cap is actually hydra cap out of time?
Evil Avengers and Doom vs The Avengers would have been a cool concept but however what if Doom and The Black Swans vs The Avengers ?
Nah.
Marvel movies are character driven so a bunch of unkown Swans doesn´t sell and neither have as much emocional tension than an Evil Avengers team
doom pulls variants of the avengers to help him, calls them the black swans? i would love that personally
Look, do I want this type of story to happen? Yes! Do I think modern day Disney Marvel will be competent enough to pull off a great story with great reasons to bring back the OG heroes? No! There is not much that points to them being able to pull it off without feeling like they are bringing back the OG's for some reason other than a shallow attempt at fixing the damage they have already caused to the IP. I will always have hope for my favorite heroes but as a life long fan of these characters, I have legitimate concerns..
it wouldn’t even be hard to do an evil cap, hydra found him in the ice before shield could & did the winter soldier mind control on him, that’s a super lazy thought but it’s not a hard concept to toy with
I’m fine with evil variants from other universe. As long as we have a team of avengers led by old man cap from our universe.
Kevin saw that DCU recasted their highest grossing actor and got jealous
Josh, this is such a good idea that I will be thoroughly disappointed if this is not what happens in the movie. 😂
I don’t think 616 gets saved at the end of Secret Wars. I think it gets wiped out and the 616 characters that are going to continue will crossover into another universe like Miles in the comics
Thanks for making this video. I’ve seen some REALLY unimaginative theories that do sound really really cheap and that’s not how marvel rolls when it comes to these avengers movies.
I can see the OG Avengers playing dual good and bad roles. Or maybe different villains and heroes altogether?
Wait we are wrong,i thought we were smarter than this?!
I gotta know, how would spider-man be the anchor being? If the 616 is the sacred timeline and the other timelines can’t exist without it, what happens when spider-man dies, even if old age? How did the timeline exist, before spider-man was born?
Just stop these rumor posts going in one and then the the other direction until something is confirmed 😂😂😂
Josh is just like Star Wars theory, you guys have an awesome outlook on the things you cover. I seriously hope this is what marvel does, it would make for a great story and return of all these characters.
But as always, never underestimate Disney’s ability to F things up 😂
Incredible hulks finale takes place in Harlem not Brooklyn
So does this mean RDJ Doctor Doom will look more like Infamous Iron Man than traditional Doom? … I hope not
Why are they doing this. Is because they have lost a lot of money. So now they have to listen to the fans. Because what they did before sucked.
When exactly did they lose money buddy? The only movie that lost money after Endgame is The Marvels. Let's talk facts. Spider-Man Far From Home: 1.1 Billion. Black Widow: 379 Million ( It came out during Covid ). Shang Chi: 432 Million ( During Covid ). Eternals: 402 Million. Spider-Man No Way Home: 1.95 Billion. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: 955 Million. Thor Love & Thunder: 760 Million. Black Panther Wakanda Forever: 860 Million. Ant-Man & The Wasp Quantumania: 476 Million. Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol.3: 845 Million. The Marvels: 206 Million. Deadpool & Wolverine: 1.3 Billion. Wanna talk about the shows now? You think WandaVision or Loki, or Falcon and the Winter Soldier or Moon Knight or anything else DIDN'T make money? Even She-Hulk made them money. Even Secret Invasion had enough viewership, although it was terrible. What's your point then? Movies after Endgame made more than 7 Billion. Tv Shows made anywhere from 6 to 13 Billion dollars. That's a minimum total of 13 Billion dollars MINIMUM.
This was literally always the plan for secret wars. You really think they’re gonna do a multiverse saga right after killing off Tony stark and Natasha and taking Steve rogers off the map and NOT bring back the characters who died? That’s literally the whole reason for doing a multiverse saga man.
@@AlexVagdathey just didn't produce as good a product as The Infinity Saga and make as much as expected. Disney doesn't lose money.
@@BobTwi-g4e There are plenty of Fan-Favorite projects that came after the Infinity Saga. You might not like some and that's fair. Everything is subjective. But the objective truth is that many people love many projects that came out after Endgame.
@@AlexVagda appreciate your numbers here… I wish more people came with evidence… I just read that Disney purchased marvel for $4 billion in 2009, which is way earlier than I remember them purchasing it… But you know memory is shit
Marvel is now worth over $50 billion …. Not every project is gonna make money, although this is probably the most successful movie franchise of all time.
And when you’re on top, the only place to go is down… It’s hard to stay on top
I do love Marvel and it’s fun to see the stories, but yeah, there has been some slop recently… I think it’s coming back though, either way I’m gonna enjoy the ride
If these reports are true, this movie literally just sounds like a remodel of infinity war to me.
I don't know any evil versions of Thor or Hawkeye(Clint). I know Maestro is evil version of Hulk. Ultimate Universe had an evil version of Natasha who I think became Iron Maiden (she married Tony, he made her a suit and she killed him and Clint's family). And I never red it, but I believe either Steve was modeled to be evil or Red Skull possessed him. I know Exiles had an evil version of Carol Danvers who ran with an evil Hyperion for a while.
But beyond all that there is also the Cancerverse which had evil immortal versions of the Avengers and others.
See heroes, or maybe it’s marvel’s writing, can be corny. But we still love them. Imagine seeing them as villains where they can be evil characters with more depth that isn’t corny but truly impactful like a thanos
The question is whether we give a shit that they are.
obviously if u aren’t you won’t see it smart one
@ in here for plot reasons.
@@DenofLore u wouldn’t be here if u didn’t care lmao
@ I care about stupidity and pablum being thrust into the world. Not comics or story lines.
I absolutely despise this anchor being concept.
If a universes existence is dependent on anchor beings, being alive, how was any given universe stable before the anchor being was born.
The anchor being born sets the clock. The death starts the timer.
They should just add the dark avengers with some extras or ying to the yang
They don’t even need to be evil, they can just be doing “bad” things thinking it’s for the right reasons.
Give me the evil lineup of Hydra Cap, Doom, and evil Beta Ray Bill, a more ruthless Yelena that became the Ultimate Black Widow (no remorse, straight killer), Hawkeye’s wife Mockingbird and Maestro… have them kick the 2 Avengers B team then bring back the OGs in Secret Wars! Beautiful movie aka “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!”
Yeah your right, Hulk destroys Brooklyn.
Somehow Josh returneddddd
Monica is gunna tell doom that he’s Tony stark a hero in her universe and then he comes616
Ignoring lazy nostalgia bringing the og 6 back as villains twist why do all MCU youtubers keep believing mytimetolie?
It’s cope. 😂
I will only accept the evil avengers if the Kang storyline is concluded in a good way.
Evil Cap better have that bad cop mustache.
Lol 😂
Think we will see Hydra Cap?
Hope so! What if Evans came back as a Red Skull variant? Scarjo as Peggy Carter, Peggy actor as Black Widow. Jeremy Renner as Quicksilver,Quicksilver as Hawkeye. Bet you didn't see that coming?
Nope Dr Doom Cap 🤣
Whats up josh? Just wanted to give you your flowers. Of all the marvel content creators I believe your videos always hold more weight compared to the rest but thank u for being a fan of comics and sharing that with us. But wanted to ask, what do you think about a evil version of Natasha Romanoff who becomes taskmaster? Instead of the little girl that survived that bomb? I haven’t heard this yet, but I believe you can make it fit, especially with the rumors that taskmaster will die and thunderbolts. Give me a shout out if you like this and your next video.
I don't like it but...
Cap could be
- a Red Skull with plastic surgery to look like Cap as Skull had done in the comics. The reveal that he is actually Red Skull would be cool as opposed to Nazi Cap
- Original Baron Zemo. The reveal when the hood is taken off would be fun
- an amalgamation of Nuke and Cap where Cap was brainwashed and manipulated as Nuke was; complete with face tattoo.
Thor could be
- a version of Ulik. A Thor that was adopted as an infant by the Rock Trolls now fights for the trolls
- a version of Bloodaxe. A vengeful, broken Thor who may have never realized he was always worthy
- The Serpent. After the loss of (something/someone) he became so enraged, he became the God of Fear.
Banner could be
- Maestro and Joe Fixit should be see screen. This might be the way we're getting an under-powered Maestro hence why it's not my most favored option
- a version of Doctor Frye unironically called Doc Green but for all intents and purposes is Banner with Frye powers
- Wizard. This one is all Ruffalo who has gone evil
Hawkeye could be
- Trickshot. Evil Hawkeye. Since we never got his backstory, they never told us if he was once a bad guy. Here's an opportunity to quickly explain one
- Atlas. Remember that time Barton was Goliath? Well, now he's replacing Josten as Atlas. For both casual and intense fans, this would be fun
- Andrea Von Strucker. Any excuse to use (at least one of) the twins.
Widow could be
- Lucia Von Bardas. In a nod to her ties in both the MCU and the comics, she gets to work, once again, with Stark/Doom
- Omega Black. This one's a stretch but eludes to mutants; something MCU continues to do. This makes her something of a Winter Soldier but unique in the MCU. I would've gone for Ursa Major but, realistically, there would be resistance from fans given the drama of Johansson and the company
- Headmistress. Had things gone differently, she would've taken Drakoff's spot.
Spider-Man could be
- Kristoff Vernard
It will be so emotio al seeing g evil avengers putting the smack down on our heroes. But it will be best feeling ever when you see the og good guys come back and save the day. Delicious!
If the new avengers have any difficulty to understand that the variants of the old avengers are just.... variants... visually close but totally different persons, if it they try to do any "drama" with it as you are suggesting, I'm gonna shit on my hand and throw it at the screen. Seriously.
That is really really really mid for doomsday. I hope it’s the black swans and the Illuminati working with doom in doomsday and the evil avengers don’t happen til secret wars fingers crossed
Sounds good.
Marvel glazer
Its all nostalgia bait
even tho it’s happened in the comics? hate used to be believable
Look, who says that Doom recruits evil variant versions of mcu heroes or Doom has to recruit evil versions. That, imo, make very little sense & a very lazy approach. 1st off, Doom does nit know anything about 616 Earth heroes...he's appear to be trying to assess what timeline is viable & it apparently is the one that Loki, the current overseer of the multiverse, is from.
Doom appear to be looking for special being who is just as sympathetic to Doom's cause, after losing their own universe/timeline & all that comes with it(like Wade in DP), friends, family, livelihood, their home planet, etc. Don't have to evil for that...and many on Doom's team probably don't know the nefarious plan Doom is trying to achieve. They more likely believe just as much as he does, that they're doing the right thing & sympathetic to that cause because of their own losses & tribulations. I don't think they all will be evil & some may turn against in Part2, after they learn his true intentions.
What's the point of the Avengers heirs (Sam, Belova, Kate Bishop, etc.) if the good OG Avengers come back and defeat all the evil OG Avengers? The New Avengers are completely useless in a story like this.
Because the og avengers are awesome and nobody cares about or wants the new avengers because the new avengers are just so bland and boring and I garuntee you that brave new world is going to flop
@rockymountainghosthuntinga2112 I get it, you're the worst kind of Marvel fan, you just jerk off to nostalgia.
@rockymountainghosthuntinga2112 yeah sure, you're very smart bro
It seems like in 2012 you were probably 2 years old or something@rockymountainghosthuntinga2112
Money. That's it. Marvel has been hemorrhaging money, they're desperate to stop that
Red Skull Cap, not Hydra Cap.
Depth? This is the most gimmicky nonsense ever.
If they bring back all the greats and they evil and gotta get beaten by the new phase heros. Its definitely gon be 🗑 imo
Well that's a problem of the people who are paying to see these movies as part of the average audience are not comic book nerds so bringing back the heroes we like but twisting them into some evil version based on some silly Subterranean Comic-Con plot is not really going to go over very well. Do you understand we are not going to like it do you understand we don't want to do any deep research or reading or have to review any past runs of a various comics that's not why we go to the theater. Well you're discussion of the reasoning behind this is quite fascinating meaning I had a hard time bearing up through all of it If we have to do research for this no one's going to see it and I don't know how long it will take Marvel to learn that
They don't need to be evil. It would be better if they weren't. It would be better if they were just morally grey and more okay with destroying other universes to save their own. Having them all be evil just seems like some lazy CW type stuff. It would be much more interesting if they were more like the 616 versions where they still kind of think they are doing the right thing. Having them just be completely evil just seems lazy. If they were going to make them evil, it would be better if we got to see what made them that way. Or maybe have it so than Dr. Strange or someone from the 616 destroyed their universe and have Doom save them.
Or even have Doom destroy their universe but he saves them and convinces him that it was the 616 universe that destroyed theirs. That way instead of having 2 different variants of each appear (the evil and the regular ones), they could have the evil variants learn at the end that Doom was behind it all and have them turn on him so that they actually redeem themselves
Honestly, can't stand Steve Rogers as a character in the MCU. Started perfect, ended perfect, got everything he wanted, while Thor and Tony literally lost everything.
I'd like to see a darker version of Steve similar to the comics with the HYDRA storyline of him being evil all along.
DC fans eating good right now! Marvel fans experiencing what Thanos predicted, mass starvation! James Gunn Supermanpremecy! 🌽💦😰
Part of Doom’s team should have another evil Gomorrah that Star Lord can seduce lol
Okay, this sounds interesting. But they should also introduce an evil T’Challa, then after secret wars keep him as the MCU Black Panther!
In short, Josh just SPECULATING for 12 min, as per usual.
Yep great to listen to while I eat love this stuff
A cross between George Lucas and Wolfman Jack, his highly mannered cadence isn't annoying, and that's a gift
That’s literally Josh’s job. To make speculation videos. His den of nerds community and UA-cam actually pay him a livable wage to speculate about this stuff. He’s got a pretty decent track record as well. If you didn’t enjoy it, you don’t have to watch. I think this video is mostly addressing some toxic and unimaginative members of the fandom that insist for some reason that, even with all these good story ideas and ways they can pull this off well, they’re just gonna slop it together because they want their movies to be garbage?
Bro acting like he works with marvel or had huge connections with them and his dudu fans eat it up always 🤣
Hydra Cap kills Sam I'm calling it. Theyre in a hurry to replace Sam with Bucky
More Slop for the Trough? We aren’t pigs marvel! 🐷
It sounds like the same old tired formula that I have seen thousands of times before to me.
It's basically the story from King Size Avengers #2.
Don't watch then duh
awe sucks i won’t see clarkkent1356 on opening night😢😢
I'm sorry Josh we're coaping
Cool
Its crazy how you havent addressed the leak that Jon Bernthal Punisher and Savage Hulk are going to be in Spider Man 4
What was the source?
@chillininthebasement Nerdrotic has a source in the Studio that leaked it to him
@Darth_K_K Ahhh. That's why he didn't talk about it. Nerdrotic has no reputation for being any kind of scooper or accurate. Nobody but a fan of his would take that seriously.
@@chillininthebasement He isn't really trying to be a scooper, he didn't even make a video about it, he just mentioned it once on a stream when asked about it.
@Darth_K_K Cool. But that's why nobody else is talking about it. Nerdrotic's rep isn't for accurate leaks.
So this dude is wrong also on most of his stuff when it comes to the Doom movie cause he piggy backs off of other people scoops...
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Guys EVERYONE is wrong and only Josh is right. He’s right about everything. He’s never wrong. He’s perfect. He IS marvel. He knows the most about everything. You’re always wrong. He’s always right. He’s perfection. deal with it
I hope they stay evil and have no redemption arch or its a waste of time.
Dc sounds better
This is all getting dumb and the flip side of a money grab. Comics can suck. They’re not all great. All life is morally grey. If this is the case then you still believe. I think we already went through this. Time lines. We’re all in a time line. This is as bad as StarWars sequels; maybe worse.
Copetastic take.
The MCU has been bleeding viewership from unwise culture war pandering and their remedy is to lather these films in nostalgia (literally two coats of it) to get butts back in the seats - not because it's a good story to tell or because they took the time to tell one.
But Disney wants their money and we all know Hollywood has become a toxic recycling plant.
Culture was pandering big conjecture by you where's the facts ?
@mustermas Culture WAR I said, not culture. Learn to read. If you don't know what that phrase means you've been living in a cave under your mom's basement since EndGame.
You really think they’re gonna slop these avengers movies together knowing how much they have to lose when there ARE good story ideas literally RIGHT THERE and they’re just gonna slop it together cause they feel like it? Nah man.
Waaaaaa
Video title says everyone is wrong but all he did was speculate. Not like Josh has a proven track record to be an authority on anything. He’s not even a real scooper, he’s a second hand news source 😂😂
Harlem* not Brooklyn
Explain the MsheU failure of movies then 😂
Too much bullshit theorizing. Definitely the last vid of the channel i’ll bewatching
I don’t understand why people don’t think this is extremely awesome and compelling. This shits gonna be fucking EPIC!
Couldn’t agree more. People need to stop writing things off completely before giving them a chance to cook
I want this so bad. This is why the RDJ casting was the way to go.
Boring.
Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy(except Starlord) are in space.
Ms Marvel is gathering the young Avengers by meeting Hawkeye/Kate Bishop, while Wiccan is looking for his brother Tommy, Hulkling, Ms America, and most definitely Patriot might make appearances in Captain America: Brave New World, and most of the anti-hero type characters(Bucky, Yelena, Etc) are going to be in Thunderbolts.
This leaves Black Panther/Shuri, Iron Patriot, Shang-Chi, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, Wasp, and Spider-Man as the new Avengers for Doomsday.
Hawkeye/Clint Barton and Hulk may even come back to help. And we cant forget about White Vision. With Wonder Man coming soon, he too could play a part.
In my opinion. I feel like the Young Avengers are going to be separated from the other heroes and perhaps be the only ones who "remember" the 'old' universe after Secret Wars.