I really appreciate your engineering approach to this problem, and I’d never deny anyone a reason to play with a 3D printer. A couple thoughts from my own experience (engineer here too). Think big. Make the most of that 4” hose, because that’s wheee your flow is! A 2’ section of small hose will rob more flow than a 2” section… also, getting rid of any turns will help, and consider a smooth pipe section to get closer to the DC. My solution, and I should make a UA-cam video so you can see, is a box. And yeah the saw gets dusty, but nothing is airborne, and that’s what’s important. And with the full 4” port right there I can toss small chunks of wood and they get sucked right into the bin, AND just blow the dust off the machine without making a mess. I’m super happy with it.
I just made a box and agree that it does a great job with the airborne particulates and audio catching the bigger stuff in the box. I currently have a toilet flange on the bottom to hook my dust collector to and it's not great. I'm replacing the flange with a Big Gulp dust hood to funnel the dust into the collector and not have to sweep, blow, or vacuum the box out. But as others have said the best way to keep dust out of the shop is to cut as much as you can outside.
Another easy addition to help contain the dust that I did in my shop was to add a small wall/panel the extends down from your cabinets to the edge of your counter top where your mitre drop down section starts. This will just help keep saw dust off your counter top and contained within the sunken mitre area. Less vacuuming. Great video, I am going to try something like this on mine. Thank you for the great content.
As a retired aerodynamics guy one simple improvement you could make would be to put a generous round lip on the front edge of your shroud where it draws the air in. That way it will take air from the front and the side. Less dust will get past the intake. It still won’t be perfect but it will improve it. Using your big dust collector with a larger duct you will reduce the cross sectional area. What that will do is increase the local speed of the airflow proportional to the duct cross section. This will actually help you pull dust in. It looks like you are catching a high percentage of dust which is a huge win.
I'm glad to see someone share something I go through as well. It's the modelling vortex, looking to get that satisfaction of clean fit and solid use case, it's so rewarding
After years of struggling with dust collection on my miter saw, I finally came up with the solution that TOTALLY solved the problem: I removed the blade.
Really appreciate the time and extent you took to walk through the thought and design process. It is sometimes just as helpful to see and understand the development ideas that didn't work, as it is to see a completed outcome. Thanks!
I think it comes down to cfm. In our shop, we have a very big cyclone. Our old 12” Makita slide/compound has a curved box behind it. The cyclone evacuates all of that, and very importantly, grabs a lot of the small particles. In our small satellite shop, we have a Mini Gorilla. I bought a Rousseau cloth enclosure for that, and it works pretty well. For a portable or small shop with a shop vac sized collector/extractor, the scoop style you’ve made is awesome. The ideal is still the large enclosure and big collector, because that can capture the small particles before they get suspended in the breathable air. Kudos! Great video.
the variability in the speed, trajectory, mass, and shape of the dust bits depending on the blade, wood species, stock size, and how fast you ram the spinning blade through the wood all add up to make this a particularly difficult nut to crack - Kudos for sticking with it!
What I like best with your solution is that it moves with the blade meaning when you do miter cuts, instead of 90 degree cuts, the dust collection chute still collects the dust. I have seen many dust collectors that basically work great for 90 degree cuts but not so good for miter cuts. Also I want to thank the commenter who said they use a downdraft table to collect the stray chips. That's something I will consider in addition to your dust collector.
Everytime you see that something doesn't work - you have learned something. So all the work you have put into the solution is very helpful to all of us. Off to my Dewalt Miter Saw and throw some drawer liner at it? ?? ???
Travis it was and is a great step in the right direction. I'm sure I speak for thousands of people watching you that it is appreciated and or just damn good entertainment. Thank you again for that.
I largely solved this problem several years ago. I bought a Kapex which does a much better job collecting dust than the Rigid, but I added a downdraft table under the saw. Game changer. A good 5hp cyclone dust collector can pull enough air to gather the chips off the blade and pull the dust that escapes into the cyclone. Super clean cuts!
Thanks for showing the process. Really appreciate it and totally understand the rational for each design. Following the blade and catching the dust as close to the source before it has a chance to ricochet and deflect looks like the best avenue to pursue from your tests. Thanks for the content and well thought out designs!
I purchased this for the same exact saw - to say it works is an understatement - I am blown away by how well it works - THANK YOU! (The router table is next)
Travis. .. I will tell you, I just got the dust collector attachment for my Delta Cruzer. IT IS A GAME CHANGER! I almost returned the saw because the Saw Dust was everywhere. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into the development. I really appreciate it!
SWEET ! At your expense , I really enjoyed this series of two videos. I actually made a similar dust chute with drawer line use the stock chute and I also added some drawer liner to the top section so I'm covering that exposed part which allows for the dust to shoot back in the air flow, it helped for sure. I just bought my first 3D printer so I will print a better designed chute with an angle as you mentioned. You're awesome and inspiring and your video editing is siiiick! Super entertaining and funny so it doesn't go unnoticed. Kodus man!
I have a similar contraption built with drawer liners and it works great. Captures most of the dust the previously bounced all around the saw. I still get some dust on the base or at the back of the saw. But nothing on my table. Thanks for making this video, it has a lot of research already done for me to try to fix my setup. 😀 Correction: I should not have said similar. Mine just extends the dust shroud to make it longer. Then i have two more pieces mounted to the sides to make U shape around the blade. Larger sides are what keep dust from flying around. Sides extend all the way up to the orange arm on left side of the blade.
You are not kidding! The dust collection on this saw out of the box is horrible. My old craftsman 12" miter saw was so much better. I want to say thank you for designing this. The improvement is huge. I printed this up as soon as I ordered the saw, but I had to try it out of the box before installing. Just so I could see the difference for myself. And...WOW! I would tell anyone with this saw to do this upgrade. Well worth it. Thanks again!
Last weekend, I tried the Chris Harpster on my DeWalt (non sliding) miter saw. It just so happens that I had ordered a dust hood. So yes, the dust hood works well, but it's cumbersome and takes up a lot of space. And I'm only using a Fein vacuum (with Dust Deputy) so it's not like I have 1,000+ CFM. But the hood did a great job with a caveat that I had to clean the hood when I was done. Two days later, I found and tried Chris Harpster's simple dust shoe. And lo-n-behold, it was almost as good as the hood. Plus I don't have to clean the hood when I'm done. I'm really happy with "very good" and don't need perfection either. Enjoyed your journey!
I'm happy with my simple solution. I have four heavy 4'x8' rolling workbenches made from structural pallet shelving (one is metal top). They are all the same height and can serve as feed tables for my Table Saw, Router Table, or Compound Sliding Miter Saw, which each have there own rolling tables to match height. All seven units use ratcheting leveling casters that raise the caster wheels off the ground and are leveled via tiny ratchet handles inside (Amazon). Then I just line everything up close to my big 16' high x 20' wide workshop doors. If weather is nice I leave the doors open if not, when finished I just open them long enough to use a big leaf blower and everything exits the workshop.
Hey, just a quick comment from a fellow mechanical design engineer. I too have failed pretty miserably at taming my saw. Your last solution is quite promising. Looking at the slower motion footage at the very end of the video, it definitely "looks" like you are potentially losing a lot of valuable air flow through the top of the flexible "U". If you close that within a fairly tight tolerance to the blade I bet you'll get a decent increase in performance. One other note is that it looks like in the resting position of the saw, the plastic safety shroud gets too in the way of the area of the "U" that needs to be closed and would cause the need to step the design of the dust shoe and would cause significant loss during cuts, so cutting and shortening the safety shroud would be ideal. Note that by cutting it you're probably not decreasing safety because the dust shoe would become part of the safety shroud system as a separate stationary part. Great series of videos and data collection. I can imagine it was exhausting and frustrating.
Great work. Some areas to consider, if you’re still trying. It’s not only suction, but where the make up air comes from. If you can get the air from where the particles come from, and get them entrained in that air flow, you may have more success. Look to the sides of the blade guard. It’s wide open. Too large with no particles. Wasted airflow. The air holes in the back of the blade guard may be opened to help draw the chips. My shop is 40x40, so I’ve just resolved to clean up once a week, and deal with dust. It’s faster for me.
Condolences to you and your family on the loss if your uncle. i am sure he is looking down upon you and cheering you on as you tackle this new chapter of your life as a full-time UA-camr. As a fellow "Daytonian", I hope you have as much success as those folks that helped man conquer powered flight., improved automotive starting, invented the cash register, even reach for the moon.
If solving this problem was easy, the manufacturers would have done it already. I have an old Dewalt 708 which I don't want to replace, and despite repeated attempts to make something to catch the clouds of dust, the best I have come up with is a damned tent over it. Keep going Travis ......
As the blade rotation is already throwing the dust upwards, yeah, good idea to utilize the direction of flow. Downwards is fighting against the high velocity already established. Your final method is still reminiscent of the Milwaukee 12" sliding bevel saw system of ten years ago. It works pretty well without vacuum attached, as in it fills an 18" dust bag attached in a days hard use. Not perfect, but dang good for a no vacuum attached system. The bag attachment is a flattened oval about 4" x 1-3/8" . 3D printed adapter and you may be surprised. Yep, I have three other miter saws as a comparison, none being Dewalt, but that saw is well covered by other comments.
I admire your persistence. The amount of dust will also depend on *how* you cut the piece. If you start on the end nearest to the user, it'll likely spray way more as the dust just slams into the end of the cut and gets ejected upward by the blade.
As frustrating as it is riding the struggle bus (or getting run over by it) we all appreciate the hard work and time you’ve committed to solve this! Thanks Travis!
I spent over $700 on that new Bosch miter saw and the dust collection is horrible! I find myself not using it sometimes just cause I don’t wanna clean up the mess, and I have the same dust collector you have!…🤦♂️. Great video! I feel your pain!
I solved this problem… I sold my mitre saw and use my table or track saw instead 😎 That aside, I really enjoyed watching your iterative design process. I too am a 3D printing nerd and your designs were impressive. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺
Hi Travis, looking at both videos, it got me thinking that the static's electricity created by the blade "rubbing" the wood must be charging the saw dust particle. Using an antistatic air gun and blowing air through your dust collecting system may improve significantly the efficiency of the dust collecting system. I wonder if the saw dust could be more easily directed in the dust collecting system when the static's force keeping the dust on the surfaces is less important... A lot of industrial process have to manage static electricity in dust to get ultra clean process. Especially in microelectronics semiconductor fab... .. It could make a cool 3rd video... Thanks for all the inspiration for my shop over the year.
Hola! 🖐 Try and Fail, Try and Fail, and Try and Fail again; you mean not every attempt is a WIN!!! I'm shocked 😲😱 Lots of credit to you for staying on this. I really enjoyed this video, it affirms to me that the best way to find a solution is to eliminate a lot of options that do not work BUT not give up. I think this version is a vast improvement on your last effort, looks like you are getting better than 80% efficiency compared to your baseline. Looking forward to future Shop Greatness videos. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
I love the fact that you get it about a 12" miter saw - I don't want a Kapex. Also, your second option can handle an angled cut. Version 1 didn't look like you could do anything but a straight cut. Great videos. Thanks
I think part of the struggle, or problem, is that everyone is trying to find a solution for dust collection for a tool that was originally designed for outdoor use by construction workers. It was never really meant to have good dust collection. Construction workers would use these so they didn't have to carry around contractor saws any more. Either way, I think you've done an amazing job trying to conquer this issue. I've enjoyed watching your progress and thank you for sharing. I'll probably be more concerned with my dust collection tactics when my Ryobi chop saw from 2003 (I think) finally dies and I upgrade to what ever is good and new at the time. Until then, I'll keep watching makers like you. Cheers!
Thank you for exploring this! I have been working on a version for my Bosch based on Chris Harpsters idea using some shelf liner and aluminum strips. Like you said, it can be complicated. I think channeling the flow towards a single direction, but the flexibility to work with different size materials while moving with the blade is mind bending. Maybe even seperate pieces, both stationary and moving with the blade to corral as much as possible and still work with different angles and materials? Looking forward to what else you come up with and hoping it will be available for different saws. 😉
So now you need to add a Shop Good Enoughness shirt to your Etsy store. Keep up the hard work. I always get a laugh at your dry sense of humor. We all struggle, most of us don't put in UA-cam for others to laugh at us.
I run the Cruzer on job sites as a trim carpenter so I know the struggle! I love everything about the saw except the dust collection issue, so I’ll definitely give this a try. The best saw for dust collection that I’ve used is hands down the makita, but that saw has other issues that make me like the cruzer better.
I took one of those rectangular dust collection ports and attached it sort of on top of the dust collection chute hole but it extends over the sides and the end. It captures the dust as it moves with the blade. 100% improvement.
Your final design is similar to the dust collection on a Festool Kapex. The dust collection on my Kapex is very good. It is better with a "6 hp" shop vac than with my high cfm dust collector. The cfm at the saw seems to be higher. The Kapex is designed to be used with one of the Festool dust extractors. They are more like a shop vac. You might want to try your design with the shop vac. Dust collection at job sites is highly regulated in Europe. That is why all of the Festool tools have excellent dust collection. They are also a real pleasure to use. I am slowly switching from the more popular brands to Festool. Slowly because Festool tools are so expensive.
Awesome effort Travis. I really appreciate the trials. Once you have it all final and complete, I will definitely be purchasing it from your store. Jim
I was really surprised how much cutting power (and torque) this saw had out of the box. I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Man I enjoyed watching you trying to solve this major problem. My kobalt makes a huge mess and I have built a box around it tried other things that of course didn’t work. This has given me a new idea to try for my saw. ❤️❤️👍
Your efforts to find a solution just go to show how difficult the problem is. I've wondered if using two ports (the original one on the saw), and a 2nd one down low would work well? Everyone who has attempted to fix this seems to have the best success with using the original port, along with a larger flexible extension, like your final solution here.
I have a couple of ideas for you: 1. You open up a black hole behind the the saw that would pull all of the dust into it, and compress the dust molecules into nothingness. Bam! problem solved, or 2. Now this one may seem way out there, but hear me out. You could just shop vac the work area after each use of the saw😅🤣. Ha I'm just yanking your chain. I love watching you working you way through this problem. Thanks for sharing Travis. Keep up the good work my friend.
for my delta cruzer(the replica of the ridgid you have), day one i removed the little rubber flap and used a larger piece of shower tub liner(drawer liner) as a chute, i also 3d printed an adaptor to connect the dust collector hose to the saw, but im still trying to improve ,like you. another note, cfm may not be as important as water lift(static lift) when trying to gather the debris from a concentrated area, and dust collectors dont have quite the lift as a good wet dry vac, with high water lift. ive tried both with interesting results, using my 1300cfm harbor freight with a modified larger impeller(+ a cyclone seperator) vs a VacuMaid GV50BLKPRO Professional Wall Mounted Garage and Car Vacuum with 138 in water lift and 740 aw(140 cfm) , the vacumaid did a little better
Travis, I really enjoy your thinking out loud style. Closest thing to a brainstorming video. You mentioned you may have achieved a 80 or 90% reduction but you have no way to actually measure. What I haven't heard is what your aim was. Were you looking for a dust free environment? A 97.5% reduction? A 95% reduction? While you may have found many ways not to achieve 100% dust reduction you clearly succeeded in accomplishing a great amount of reduction. What else were you looking for? One measurement that could be taken but would require a very precise procedure to follow is the time it took you to clean up the dust with all of the various incarnations. But again, what would you have been looking for to judge success? If we hadn't reinvented the wheel we'd be driving around on stone tires. Did you significantly reduce the amount of dust generated by your saw? Take yes for an answer. Good work. Don
Sorry man was drinking last night - my last comment - should probably stay away from the keyboard when whiskey is around. Good solution and great video. I worked in the woodworking machinery space for years and dust-collection is for sure the number one thing that can be improved on literally every tool. Here's a product idea for you. We were trying to make an inline separator like the "Gyro" from Harvey. Which actually got pretty close but never produced it. Definitely something that can fit on your prusa. Its just a cone that's in a t junction that gets put downstream the dust collection line closest to low pressure from the motor. Problem we had was trying to keep pressure but i always thought that having them on little 5 gallon buckets next to each tool would work nicely.
The only miter saws on the market that have a great dust collection are Makita and of course Festool. They both have the traveling shoot and the stationary that is made of rubber. Maybe if you want some suggestions for your design, check them out.
Great video. The struggle is real! It looks like you could smooth out the "stepped" transition inside the final product. Anything that reduces turbulence at the intake would seem to be a step in the right direction.
Been there done that, my close enough solution was to pot a bunch of 1 inch holes in a 3 inch piece of pvc behind the saw and using my same as yours dust collector. Not as good enough as yours but good enough for my unicorn hunt to be over. For a while
Travis - great approach to solving the problem. I am using the box approach and can’t stand it - so I’m still looking at alternatives. 2 questions for you - 1) how do you like the saw now that you’ve had some time with it, and 2) how does effective is the chute at angles less than 90 degrees?
You, sir, are a bloody hero! I have been struggling in a minor and messy way with bits of wood and cardboard and goo and stuff, with some but unexciting success. You have inspired me to go back and try again. Nice to see some failures, unlike some who I suspect just delete the videos 😂😂
Great video! Thanks for all the exhaustive research on this! I have the Delta Cruzer and while I love the saw, it throws a ton of dust! Would be great to have a bolt on dust cowl for it!
Been looking at getting a new miter saw recently, specifically a shallow slider like this or the bosch or something, and I will probably end up getting this ridgid simply because I know there will be a great dust chute available soon. Nice work!
i have 2 Bosch miter saws and love them. as a lefty the fact that i can release the trigger safety with either hand means i'm not crossing my arms or other funny lefty things and so i'm safer.
I really think the traveling chute is the answer, but encapsulating as much of the saw blade as you can without interfering with the cut material. Like the Festool Kapex.
Correct. Also like the makita saw. I went from ridgid to makita for my 12” mitre saw and they have a dual chute setup. One at the back and one traveling with the blade. Works awesome
something flexible that extends down the sides of the blade guard helps a bit too. mine doesn't slide, but I used 4in 100mph tape to make a flexible chute into the stock dustport and flexible blade guard extensions. both hit the table when cutting.
Good video... and yes, I watched both with great interest. I have an idea for you... consider how table saw dust collection works and that a mitre saw is kind of like a table saw upside down. I have the Dewalt DWE7491RS and it has dust ports both on the back (which sucks from the bottom of the cut) and on the blade guard (which sucks dust from the top of the cut). I purchased a 4" Y-adapter that splits into two 2.5" hoses... I connected one to the back of the saw and one to the blade guard. With less reduction in air volume than a simple 4" to 2.5" reducer, I get more air flow above and below the cut. It works surprisingly well when I can put up with using a blade guard. So.... I did this with my mitre saw... I connected one of the 2.5" hoses to the back of the saw (where it is supposed to go) and I put the other one beneath the mitre saw. That's right... I set the mitre saw on top of a surface that had a hole in it and connected the other hose in such a way that created a down draft from beneath the saw. It also worked surprisingly well. You might give it a try.
Ha Ha Ha.... I did the same thing, but with an added deal. I tried to make a box type thing so it would be a zero clearance! Miter saws truly are the unicorn generators in the shop!
This was fun to watch and a great example of iteration and picking more than one horse for the race. Looks like you are moving on but wondering if anyone else in the comment section has tried using smoke/fog to track vacuum/airflow/vortices?
Wonder if an air dam would work? For example use an air compressor and mount some nozzles in a way that knocks down all the particles, or corrals them into an area that easier to collect? I ended up going with the box method myself and using a pit style trap so I could just sweep everything off the saw down into the pit for collection lol. Thanks for taking us on your journey lol!!
Escape velocity of dust in slight vacuum breeze basically describes Miter saw dust. Once you realize that it's only possible to collect the particles after they've collided with something unless they're heading straight up the pipe, It's all about making a deflection target, increasing air speed by occluding your openings and removing a relatively static cloud of redirected dust, you can have your cake and eat it too.
I'm enjoying watching your attempts. You should try hooking up some small PC fans or compressed air nozzles on each side of the blade to try and direct the air to the spot you want it to go. Obviously requires a compressor or something to power the fans but it might work better than trying to catch them all.
I'd be careful with PC fan components in the work area. Since they're not rated to handle workshop dust and metal bits. Though perhaps a mesh filter will ensure the fan is safe.
I love that woodworkers all eventually take a run at this issue. There really is no 100% solution. I have been content that my set up removes the fine particulates and it's only the bigger particles escaping. I have a Festool vacuum connected to the standard exhaust on my Bosch miter saw. YT wood shop videos reveal so many different ideas and chop saw set ups that it's made me curious to see if I can improve my own set up. I'm in the process of tieing the shops cyclonic system into a surround I've built around the saw to add a second vacuum to the chop saw station.
I appreciate the struggle of product design and trying to make the shop more efficient. Great points in the video. Curious if it has any issues with mitered cuts with it hitting at all? Thanks for the video!
Thank you for attempting this. I was going to go with the box method, but so far I just let the sawdust fly on my Ryobi miter. I’m beginning to rethink that.
I always hated to have to use my miter saw because of the mess it created. I ended up making the miter saw station that Jay Bates made. I added a Harbor Freight dust collector with a Rikon upgraded impeller. Works great. I still have a tiny amount of dust that makes it's way out but it is very manageable. It is frustrating that manufactures can't come up with a good solution.
The traveling one is the best solution because the sawdust will always goes up, with the traveling one you are catching up what is going up, hits the "wall" and goes up and other complex thinggy that is in the bottom us trying to change the trayectory is like a pitcher trying to catch the hit that goes to the center field. Also try the traveling one with the small vaccum too much cfm's is not always the best.
looking at the slow mo it looks like the saw is throwing bits that have the energy to bounce back from the dust collection and defeat the air flow pull. a slight turn in at the edge may have those brought back into the slip stream when they are low engery enought to be pulled into the dust collection system. smoking the air flow will also help. like used in HVA/C air handler testing.
Ha, as far as miter saw dust, I have a perfect solution, I use my neighbors miter saw. And depending on the time of day, I might get a free frosty beverage while visiting. 😁👍
Love your design! Unfortunately I have the Hercules 12” sliding dual compound. It’s been a fantastic saw! I know HB is a bit hit or miss (mostly miss) with things that have motors, but I’ve been very happy with the Hercules miter saw. Especially for the price. Hopefully I can take your idea and change the design to fit my saw. I’ve been playing around with so many way more complex ideas. BUT…You are definitely drastically reducing your CFM by not using PVC for the majority of the length. The ribbed hoses really reduce your air flow, compared to the smooth walls of PVC, and by having your hose take a sharp 180 turn. So you’ll find you can make it work even better by ensuring your dust collector setup is following best practices. IDEALLY, it’d be great to be able to change out the standard dust port and make it 4” without needing a reducer, but there’s a limit to how much modifications we can make. But it totally looks like an oversized she-wee 🤣 I have NEVER used one, but it seems like they were all over the internet a decade or so ago!
Whether your efforts are experienced as a struggle or something else is determined by the context you hold it in. The story goes that when Edison was asked on the 999th failed attempt at building a light bulb, was he going to risk doing it again and possibly failing 1000 times! He replied, "I didn't fail 999 times, I just discovered 999 ways to not make a light bulb." That's the power of context on experience. I sharing this in response to your talking about being burnt out on the dust collection project. Let me suggest that EVERYTHING we do is failing all the time, and when something happens that we call success, it's just that for a while, the RATE of corrections exceeded the RATE of failure. Happy correcting!😉
That's probably as good as it's going to get for a chute or hood on the saw. Next step is a downdraft path in the bench behind the saw. Those are fairly effective in capturing a good portion of what doesn't go up the OEM extraction shoot, or the end-user's modifications.
Hi and thank you. I enjoy your channel very much. I built your versatile work bench and it came out great. I was wondering if you have designed a dust collector for the 12 inch Bosch miter saw. Thank you.
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You have completely and utterly convinced me … that the best dust collection is to do it outside. Thank you for your dedication!
I really appreciate your engineering approach to this problem, and I’d never deny anyone a reason to play with a 3D printer. A couple thoughts from my own experience (engineer here too). Think big. Make the most of that 4” hose, because that’s wheee your flow is! A 2’ section of small hose will rob more flow than a 2” section… also, getting rid of any turns will help, and consider a smooth pipe section to get closer to the DC. My solution, and I should make a UA-cam video so you can see, is a box. And yeah the saw gets dusty, but nothing is airborne, and that’s what’s important. And with the full 4” port right there I can toss small chunks of wood and they get sucked right into the bin, AND just blow the dust off the machine without making a mess. I’m super happy with it.
I just made a box and agree that it does a great job with the airborne particulates and audio catching the bigger stuff in the box. I currently have a toilet flange on the bottom to hook my dust collector to and it's not great. I'm replacing the flange with a Big Gulp dust hood to funnel the dust into the collector and not have to sweep, blow, or vacuum the box out. But as others have said the best way to keep dust out of the shop is to cut as much as you can outside.
Purchased this saw a week or so ago and at the same time ordered your dust collection fix. VERY HAPPY with it Thanks for all the work you put into it!
Another easy addition to help contain the dust that I did in my shop was to add a small wall/panel the extends down from your cabinets to the edge of your counter top where your mitre drop down section starts. This will just help keep saw dust off your counter top and contained within the sunken mitre area. Less vacuuming. Great video, I am going to try something like this on mine. Thank you for the great content.
That's kinda what I was trying to explain but you said it much better and easier than I did lol
As a retired aerodynamics guy one simple improvement you could make would be to put a generous round lip on the front edge of your shroud where it draws the air in. That way it will take air from the front and the side. Less dust will get past the intake. It still won’t be perfect but it will improve it. Using your big dust collector with a larger duct you will reduce the cross sectional area. What that will do is increase the local speed of the airflow proportional to the duct cross section. This will actually help you pull dust in. It looks like you are catching a high percentage of dust which is a huge win.
I'm glad to see someone share something I go through as well.
It's the modelling vortex, looking to get that satisfaction of clean fit and solid use case, it's so rewarding
After years of struggling with dust collection on my miter saw, I finally came up with the solution that TOTALLY solved the problem: I removed the blade.
Really appreciate the time and extent you took to walk through the thought and design process. It is sometimes just as helpful to see and understand the development ideas that didn't work, as it is to see a completed outcome. Thanks!
I think it comes down to cfm. In our shop, we have a very big cyclone. Our old 12” Makita slide/compound has a curved box behind it. The cyclone evacuates all of that, and very importantly, grabs a lot of the small particles. In our small satellite shop, we have a Mini Gorilla. I bought a Rousseau cloth enclosure for that, and it works pretty well. For a portable or small shop with a shop vac sized collector/extractor, the scoop style you’ve made is awesome. The ideal is still the large enclosure and big collector, because that can capture the small particles before they get suspended in the breathable air. Kudos! Great video.
the variability in the speed, trajectory, mass, and shape of the dust bits depending on the blade, wood species, stock size, and how fast you ram the spinning blade through the wood all add up to make this a particularly difficult nut to crack - Kudos for sticking with it!
What I like best with your solution is that it moves with the blade meaning when you do miter cuts, instead of 90 degree cuts, the dust collection chute still collects the dust. I have seen many dust collectors that basically work great for 90 degree cuts but not so good for miter cuts. Also I want to thank the commenter who said they use a downdraft table to collect the stray chips. That's something I will consider in addition to your dust collector.
Everytime you see that something doesn't work - you have learned something. So all the work you have put into the solution is very helpful to all of us. Off to my Dewalt Miter Saw and throw some drawer liner at it? ?? ???
Travis it was and is a great step in the right direction. I'm sure I speak for thousands of people watching you that it is appreciated and or just damn good entertainment. Thank you again for that.
I largely solved this problem several years ago. I bought a Kapex which does a much better job collecting dust than the Rigid, but I added a downdraft table under the saw. Game changer. A good 5hp cyclone dust collector can pull enough air to gather the chips off the blade and pull the dust that escapes into the cyclone. Super clean cuts!
I bought and installed one of these on my 12" Delta, unbelievable how much better the dust collection is
Glad you’re enjoying it!
Truly the definition of pursuing "Shop Greatness"!
So glad to see the follow up on this!
Thanks for showing the process. Really appreciate it and totally understand the rational for each design. Following the blade and catching the dust as close to the source before it has a chance to ricochet and deflect looks like the best avenue to pursue from your tests. Thanks for the content and well thought out designs!
Well done. Your effort and humility are equally appreciated!
I purchased this for the same exact saw - to say it works is an understatement - I am blown away by how well it works - THANK YOU! (The router table is next)
Travis. .. I will tell you, I just got the dust collector attachment for my Delta Cruzer. IT IS A GAME CHANGER! I almost returned the saw because the Saw Dust was everywhere. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into the development. I really appreciate it!
SWEET ! At your expense , I really enjoyed this series of two videos. I actually made a similar dust chute with drawer line use the stock chute and I also added some drawer liner to the top section so I'm covering that exposed part which allows for the dust to shoot back in the air flow, it helped for sure. I just bought my first 3D printer so I will print a better designed chute with an angle as you mentioned. You're awesome and inspiring and your video editing is siiiick! Super entertaining and funny so it doesn't go unnoticed. Kodus man!
I have a similar contraption built with drawer liners and it works great. Captures most of the dust the previously bounced all around the saw. I still get some dust on the base or at the back of the saw. But nothing on my table.
Thanks for making this video, it has a lot of research already done for me to try to fix my setup. 😀
Correction: I should not have said similar. Mine just extends the dust shroud to make it longer. Then i have two more pieces mounted to the sides to make U shape around the blade. Larger sides are what keep dust from flying around. Sides extend all the way up to the orange arm on left side of the blade.
You are not kidding! The dust collection on this saw out of the box is horrible. My old craftsman 12" miter saw was so much better.
I want to say thank you for designing this. The improvement is huge. I printed this up as soon as I ordered the saw, but I had to try it out of the box before installing. Just so I could see the difference for myself. And...WOW! I would tell anyone with this saw to do this upgrade. Well worth it. Thanks again!
Last weekend, I tried the Chris Harpster on my DeWalt (non sliding) miter saw. It just so happens that I had ordered a dust hood. So yes, the dust hood works well, but it's cumbersome and takes up a lot of space. And I'm only using a Fein vacuum (with Dust Deputy) so it's not like I have 1,000+ CFM. But the hood did a great job with a caveat that I had to clean the hood when I was done. Two days later, I found and tried Chris Harpster's simple dust shoe. And lo-n-behold, it was almost as good as the hood. Plus I don't have to clean the hood when I'm done. I'm really happy with "very good" and don't need perfection either. Enjoyed your journey!
I'm happy with my simple solution. I have four heavy 4'x8' rolling workbenches made from structural pallet shelving (one is metal top). They are all the same height and can serve as feed tables for my Table Saw, Router Table, or Compound Sliding Miter Saw, which each have there own rolling tables to match height. All seven units use ratcheting leveling casters that raise the caster wheels off the ground and are leveled via tiny ratchet handles inside (Amazon). Then I just line everything up close to my big 16' high x 20' wide workshop doors. If weather is nice I leave the doors open if not, when finished I just open them long enough to use a big leaf blower and everything exits the workshop.
Hey, just a quick comment from a fellow mechanical design engineer. I too have failed pretty miserably at taming my saw. Your last solution is quite promising. Looking at the slower motion footage at the very end of the video, it definitely "looks" like you are potentially losing a lot of valuable air flow through the top of the flexible "U".
If you close that within a fairly tight tolerance to the blade I bet you'll get a decent increase in performance. One other note is that it looks like in the resting position of the saw, the plastic safety shroud gets too in the way of the area of the "U" that needs to be closed and would cause the need to step the design of the dust shoe and would cause significant loss during cuts, so cutting and shortening the safety shroud would be ideal. Note that by cutting it you're probably not decreasing safety because the dust shoe would become part of the safety shroud system as a separate stationary part.
Great series of videos and data collection. I can imagine it was exhausting and frustrating.
Great work. Some areas to consider, if you’re still trying. It’s not only suction, but where the make up air comes from. If you can get the air from where the particles come from, and get them entrained in that air flow, you may have more success. Look to the sides of the blade guard. It’s wide open. Too large with no particles. Wasted airflow. The air holes in the back of the blade guard may be opened to help draw the chips.
My shop is 40x40, so I’ve just resolved to clean up once a week, and deal with dust. It’s faster for me.
Great job. You’re almost there. Please continue and finish this series. I’d love to see you enclose the final traveling shoot.
Condolences to you and your family on the loss if your uncle. i am sure he is looking down upon you and cheering you on as you tackle this new chapter of your life as a full-time UA-camr. As a fellow "Daytonian", I hope you have as much success as those folks that helped man conquer powered flight., improved automotive starting, invented the cash register, even reach for the moon.
If solving this problem was easy, the manufacturers would have done it already. I have an old Dewalt 708 which I don't want to replace, and despite repeated attempts to make something to catch the clouds of dust, the best I have come up with is a damned tent over it. Keep going Travis ......
Festool solved it pretty well. It was a part of the product design, unlike other brands, dust collection is an afterthought.
@@What_Other_Hobbies very true....unfortunately though the Kapex is way too expensive for me
@@davidhull2060 too expansive for a lot of people. I’m working on a solution to improve my bosch glide 12”.
On nice days I saw in the driveway. On other days I saw at the edge of the garage with the door open….because of this.
@@What_Other_Hobbies just got a Kapex, and I would call the collection far from solved. Their claims of 90% are laughable.
Well done!! Love your persistence and I’ve watched every episode of your pursuit for better miter saw dust collection.
As the blade rotation is already throwing the dust upwards, yeah, good idea to utilize the direction of flow. Downwards is fighting against the high velocity already established. Your final method is still reminiscent of the Milwaukee 12" sliding bevel saw system of ten years ago. It works pretty well without vacuum attached, as in it fills an 18" dust bag attached in a days hard use. Not perfect, but dang good for a no vacuum attached system. The bag attachment is a flattened oval about 4" x 1-3/8" . 3D printed adapter and you may be surprised. Yep, I have three other miter saws as a comparison, none being Dewalt, but that saw is well covered by other comments.
I admire your persistence. The amount of dust will also depend on *how* you cut the piece. If you start on the end nearest to the user, it'll likely spray way more as the dust just slams into the end of the cut and gets ejected upward by the blade.
As frustrating as it is riding the struggle bus (or getting run over by it) we all appreciate the hard work and time you’ve committed to solve this! Thanks Travis!
I spent over $700 on that new Bosch miter saw and the dust collection is horrible! I find myself not using it sometimes just cause I don’t wanna clean up the mess, and I have the same dust collector you have!…🤦♂️. Great video! I feel your pain!
I solved this problem… I sold my mitre saw and use my table or track saw instead 😎 That aside, I really enjoyed watching your iterative design process. I too am a 3D printing nerd and your designs were impressive. Cheers 👍😎🇦🇺
Hi Travis, looking at both videos, it got me thinking that the static's electricity created by the blade "rubbing" the wood must be charging the saw dust particle. Using an antistatic air gun and blowing air through your dust collecting system may improve significantly the efficiency of the dust collecting system. I wonder if the saw dust could be more easily directed in the dust collecting system when the static's force keeping the dust on the surfaces is less important... A lot of industrial process have to manage static electricity in dust to get ultra clean process. Especially in microelectronics semiconductor fab... .. It could make a cool 3rd video... Thanks for all the inspiration for my shop over the year.
Thank you so much for what you are doing--you deserve the thumbs up for doing what the saw manufactures SHOULD be doing...
Hola! 🖐 Try and Fail, Try and Fail, and Try and Fail again; you mean not every attempt is a WIN!!! I'm shocked 😲😱 Lots of credit to you for staying on this. I really enjoyed this video, it affirms to me that the best way to find a solution is to eliminate a lot of options that do not work BUT not give up. I think this version is a vast improvement on your last effort, looks like you are getting better than 80% efficiency compared to your baseline. Looking forward to future Shop Greatness videos. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Don't give up. You are heading in the right direction.
I love the fact that you get it about a 12" miter saw - I don't want a Kapex. Also, your second option can handle an angled cut. Version 1 didn't look like you could do anything but a straight cut. Great videos. Thanks
I think part of the struggle, or problem, is that everyone is trying to find a solution for dust collection for a tool that was originally designed for outdoor use by construction workers. It was never really meant to have good dust collection. Construction workers would use these so they didn't have to carry around contractor saws any more. Either way, I think you've done an amazing job trying to conquer this issue. I've enjoyed watching your progress and thank you for sharing. I'll probably be more concerned with my dust collection tactics when my Ryobi chop saw from 2003 (I think) finally dies and I upgrade to what ever is good and new at the time. Until then, I'll keep watching makers like you. Cheers!
Great to see you follow up and kudos on the hard work. Love the idea of making them printable and available to purchase. 👍🏼
Thank you for exploring this! I have been working on a version for my Bosch based on Chris Harpsters idea using some shelf liner and aluminum strips. Like you said, it can be complicated. I think channeling the flow towards a single direction, but the flexibility to work with different size materials while moving with the blade is mind bending. Maybe even seperate pieces, both stationary and moving with the blade to corral as much as possible and still work with different angles and materials? Looking forward to what else you come up with and hoping it will be available for different saws. 😉
I would buy the Bosch version right now!!!!
So now you need to add a Shop Good Enoughness shirt to your Etsy store. Keep up the hard work. I always get a laugh at your dry sense of humor. We all struggle, most of us don't put in UA-cam for others to laugh at us.
I run the Cruzer on job sites as a trim carpenter so I know the struggle! I love everything about the saw except the dust collection issue, so I’ll definitely give this a try. The best saw for dust collection that I’ve used is hands down the makita, but that saw has other issues that make me like the cruzer better.
I’m glad someone finally solved this issue. Once I get my shop set up, I’ll buy the files and have my friend print it for me, way out of my league
I took one of those rectangular dust collection ports and attached it sort of on top of the dust collection chute hole but it extends over the sides and the end. It captures the dust as it moves with the blade. 100% improvement.
Thanks for all your work on this project Travis.
Your final design is similar to the dust collection on a Festool Kapex. The dust collection on my Kapex is very good. It is better with a "6 hp" shop vac than with my high cfm dust collector. The cfm at the saw seems to be higher. The Kapex is designed to be used with one of the Festool dust extractors. They are more like a shop vac. You might want to try your design with the shop vac. Dust collection at job sites is highly regulated in Europe. That is why all of the Festool tools have excellent dust collection. They are also a real pleasure to use. I am slowly switching from the more popular brands to Festool. Slowly because Festool tools are so expensive.
Awesome effort Travis. I really appreciate the trials. Once you have it all final and complete, I will definitely be purchasing it from your store.
Jim
I was really surprised how much cutting power (and torque) this saw had out of the box. I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Love your tenacity!! Your a unicorn hunter and my bet is your going to find one 🙂
Man I enjoyed watching you trying to solve this major problem. My kobalt makes a huge mess and I have built a box around it tried other things that of course didn’t work. This has given me a new idea to try for my saw. ❤️❤️👍
I am impressed by your perseverence Travis, I would have stopped a long time ago.
Good work Travis! Not perfect but you’re getting there. Thanks for sharing all your work 👍🏻
Your efforts to find a solution just go to show how difficult the problem is. I've wondered if using two ports (the original one on the saw), and a 2nd one down low would work well? Everyone who has attempted to fix this seems to have the best success with using the original port, along with a larger flexible extension, like your final solution here.
I have a couple of ideas for you: 1. You open up a black hole behind the the saw that would pull all of the dust into it, and compress the dust molecules into nothingness. Bam! problem solved, or 2. Now this one may seem way out there, but hear me out. You could just shop vac the work area after each use of the saw😅🤣. Ha I'm just yanking your chain. I love watching you working you way through this problem. Thanks for sharing Travis. Keep up the good work my friend.
Now I want to see it redesigned using a flexible pink Shewee. 💗
Haha!
for my delta cruzer(the replica of the ridgid you have), day one i removed the little rubber flap and used a larger piece of shower tub liner(drawer liner) as a chute, i also 3d printed an adaptor to connect the dust collector hose to the saw, but im still trying to improve ,like you. another note, cfm may not be as important as water lift(static lift) when trying to gather the debris from a concentrated area, and dust collectors dont have quite the lift as a good wet dry vac, with high water lift. ive tried both with interesting results, using my 1300cfm harbor freight with a modified larger impeller(+ a cyclone seperator) vs a VacuMaid GV50BLKPRO Professional Wall Mounted Garage and Car Vacuum with 138 in water lift and 740 aw(140 cfm) , the vacumaid did a little better
Travis, I really enjoy your thinking out loud style. Closest thing to a brainstorming video. You mentioned you may have achieved a 80 or 90% reduction but you have no way to actually measure. What I haven't heard is what your aim was. Were you looking for a dust free environment? A 97.5% reduction? A 95% reduction? While you may have found many ways not to achieve 100% dust reduction you clearly succeeded in accomplishing a great amount of reduction. What else were you looking for? One measurement that could be taken but would require a very precise procedure to follow is the time it took you to clean up the dust with all of the various incarnations. But again, what would you have been looking for to judge success? If we hadn't reinvented the wheel we'd be driving around on stone tires. Did you significantly reduce the amount of dust generated by your saw? Take yes for an answer. Good work. Don
Sorry man was drinking last night - my last comment - should probably stay away from the keyboard when whiskey is around. Good solution and great video. I worked in the woodworking machinery space for years and dust-collection is for sure the number one thing that can be improved on literally every tool. Here's a product idea for you. We were trying to make an inline separator like the "Gyro" from Harvey. Which actually got pretty close but never produced it. Definitely something that can fit on your prusa. Its just a cone that's in a t junction that gets put downstream the dust collection line closest to low pressure from the motor. Problem we had was trying to keep pressure but i always thought that having them on little 5 gallon buckets next to each tool would work nicely.
The only miter saws on the market that have a great dust collection are Makita and of course Festool. They both have the traveling shoot and the stationary that is made of rubber. Maybe if you want some suggestions for your design, check them out.
Great video. The struggle is real! It looks like you could smooth out the "stepped" transition inside the final product. Anything that reduces turbulence at the intake would seem to be a step in the right direction.
Been there done that, my close enough solution was to pot a bunch of 1 inch holes in a 3 inch piece of pvc behind the saw and using my same as yours dust collector. Not as good enough as yours but good enough for my unicorn hunt to be over. For a while
Travis hooked me up! (I paid for it) I love how much cleaner my 12” Delta Cruzer sliding miter saw stays after installing his product! Thanks 😊
Travis - great approach to solving the problem. I am using the box approach and can’t stand it - so I’m still looking at alternatives. 2 questions for you - 1) how do you like the saw now that you’ve had some time with it, and 2) how does effective is the chute at angles less than 90 degrees?
You, sir, are a bloody hero! I have been struggling in a minor and messy way with bits of wood and cardboard and goo and stuff, with some but unexciting success. You have inspired me to go back and try again. Nice to see some failures, unlike some who I suspect just delete the videos 😂😂
Great video! Thanks for all the exhaustive research on this! I have the Delta Cruzer and while I love the saw, it throws a ton of dust! Would be great to have a bolt on dust cowl for it!
Been looking at getting a new miter saw recently, specifically a shallow slider like this or the bosch or something, and I will probably end up getting this ridgid simply because I know there will be a great dust chute available soon. Nice work!
i have 2 Bosch miter saws and love them. as a lefty the fact that i can release the trigger safety with either hand means i'm not crossing my arms or other funny lefty things and so i'm safer.
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I really think the traveling chute is the answer, but encapsulating as much of the saw blade as you can without interfering with the cut material. Like the Festool Kapex.
Correct. Also like the makita saw. I went from ridgid to makita for my 12” mitre saw and they have a dual chute setup. One at the back and one traveling with the blade. Works awesome
There's a phrase along the lines of "don't let perfect get in the way of good enough" which seems to be perfect for this situation.
something flexible that extends down the sides of the blade guard helps a bit too. mine doesn't slide, but I used 4in 100mph tape to make a flexible chute into the stock dustport and flexible blade guard extensions. both hit the table when cutting.
Good video... and yes, I watched both with great interest. I have an idea for you... consider how table saw dust collection works and that a mitre saw is kind of like a table saw upside down. I have the Dewalt DWE7491RS and it has dust ports both on the back (which sucks from the bottom of the cut) and on the blade guard (which sucks dust from the top of the cut). I purchased a 4" Y-adapter that splits into two 2.5" hoses... I connected one to the back of the saw and one to the blade guard. With less reduction in air volume than a simple 4" to 2.5" reducer, I get more air flow above and below the cut. It works surprisingly well when I can put up with using a blade guard. So.... I did this with my mitre saw... I connected one of the 2.5" hoses to the back of the saw (where it is supposed to go) and I put the other one beneath the mitre saw. That's right... I set the mitre saw on top of a surface that had a hole in it and connected the other hose in such a way that created a down draft from beneath the saw. It also worked surprisingly well. You might give it a try.
Ha Ha Ha.... I did the same thing, but with an added deal. I tried to make a box type thing so it would be a zero clearance! Miter saws truly are the unicorn generators in the shop!
I feel your pain. I've been working on a dust chute for the DeWalt. I've had more defeats than victories, but we have to keep going.
This was fun to watch and a great example of iteration and picking more than one horse for the race. Looks like you are moving on but wondering if anyone else in the comment section has tried using smoke/fog to track vacuum/airflow/vortices?
Wonder if an air dam would work? For example use an air compressor and mount some nozzles in a way that knocks down all the particles, or corrals them into an area that easier to collect? I ended up going with the box method myself and using a pit style trap so I could just sweep everything off the saw down into the pit for collection lol. Thanks for taking us on your journey lol!!
Escape velocity of dust in slight vacuum breeze basically describes Miter saw dust. Once you realize that it's only possible to collect the particles after they've collided with something unless they're heading straight up the pipe, It's all about making a deflection target, increasing air speed by occluding your openings and removing a relatively static cloud of redirected dust, you can have your cake and eat it too.
Great idea keep at it you will solve it. Looking forward to see next development.
Love the channel and your design skills and effort. Thank you!
I'm enjoying watching your attempts. You should try hooking up some small PC fans or compressed air nozzles on each side of the blade to try and direct the air to the spot you want it to go. Obviously requires a compressor or something to power the fans but it might work better than trying to catch them all.
I'd be careful with PC fan components in the work area. Since they're not rated to handle workshop dust and metal bits. Though perhaps a mesh filter will ensure the fan is safe.
I love that woodworkers all eventually take a run at this issue. There really is no 100% solution. I have been content that my set up removes the fine particulates and it's only the bigger particles escaping. I have a Festool vacuum connected to the standard exhaust on my Bosch miter saw. YT wood shop videos reveal so many different ideas and chop saw set ups that it's made me curious to see if I can improve my own set up. I'm in the process of tieing the shops cyclonic system into a surround I've built around the saw to add a second vacuum to the chop saw station.
Keep watching, I made it better
I appreciate the struggle of product design and trying to make the shop more efficient. Great points in the video. Curious if it has any issues with mitered cuts with it hitting at all? Thanks for the video!
Thank you for attempting this. I was going to go with the box method, but so far I just let the sawdust fly on my Ryobi miter. I’m beginning to rethink that.
Purchased the 3D print files. Works like a champ! I can now tear the down the box around my saw. Nice work!
The Bob Vila pictures really made me laugh. Nice work as always!
I always hated to have to use my miter saw because of the mess it created. I ended up making the miter saw station that Jay Bates made. I added a Harbor Freight dust collector with a Rikon upgraded impeller. Works great. I still have a tiny amount of dust that makes it's way out but it is very manageable. It is frustrating that manufactures can't come up with a good solution.
The traveling one is the best solution because the sawdust will always goes up, with the traveling one you are catching up what is going up, hits the "wall" and goes up and other complex thinggy that is in the bottom us trying to change the trayectory is like a pitcher trying to catch the hit that goes to the center field. Also try the traveling one with the small vaccum too much cfm's is not always the best.
The she-wee outtake had me dying!!!!! LMAO It would have been nice to see how the she-wee worked with the shop vac setup.
looking at the slow mo it looks like the saw is throwing bits that have the energy to bounce back from the dust collection and defeat the air flow pull. a slight turn in at the edge may have those brought back into the slip stream when they are low engery enought to be pulled into the dust collection system.
smoking the air flow will also help. like used in HVA/C air handler testing.
Ha, as far as miter saw dust, I have a perfect solution, I use my neighbors miter saw. And depending on the time of day, I might get a free frosty beverage while visiting. 😁👍
This guy living in the year 3000...
Love your design! Unfortunately I have the Hercules 12” sliding dual compound. It’s been a fantastic saw! I know HB is a bit hit or miss (mostly miss) with things that have motors, but I’ve been very happy with the Hercules miter saw. Especially for the price. Hopefully I can take your idea and change the design to fit my saw. I’ve been playing around with so many way more complex ideas.
BUT…You are definitely drastically reducing your CFM by not using PVC for the majority of the length. The ribbed hoses really reduce your air flow, compared to the smooth walls of PVC, and by having your hose take a sharp 180 turn. So you’ll find you can make it work even better by ensuring your dust collector setup is following best practices. IDEALLY, it’d be great to be able to change out the standard dust port and make it 4” without needing a reducer, but there’s a limit to how much modifications we can make.
But it totally looks like an oversized she-wee 🤣 I have NEVER used one, but it seems like they were all over the internet a decade or so ago!
Whether your efforts are experienced as a struggle or something else is determined by the context you hold it in. The story goes that when Edison was asked on the 999th failed attempt at building a light bulb, was he going to risk doing it again and possibly failing 1000 times! He replied, "I didn't fail 999 times, I just discovered 999 ways to not make a light bulb." That's the power of context on experience. I sharing this in response to your talking about being burnt out on the dust collection project. Let me suggest that EVERYTHING we do is failing all the time, and when something happens that we call success, it's just that for a while, the RATE of corrections exceeded the RATE of failure. Happy correcting!😉
Don't give up, Travis! You'll figure it out.
That's probably as good as it's going to get for a chute or hood on the saw. Next step is a downdraft path in the bench behind the saw. Those are fairly effective in capturing a good portion of what doesn't go up the OEM extraction shoot, or the end-user's modifications.
Hi and thank you. I enjoy your channel very much. I built your versatile work bench and it came out great. I was wondering if you have designed a dust collector for the 12 inch Bosch miter saw. Thank you.
The cutting blade is not only a sling, but also a super concentrated fan... better use it at your advantage indeed!