I'm a stone cold unbeliever; however, I have to thank you for your videos. The UA-cam "faith-tech" community's generosity has made it possible for me to figure out multiple audio tracks in Abelton Live and a lot of midi control nonsense for the tribute bands I'm in. It doesn't make me any more religious, but I have a warm place in my heathen heart for the tech staff at churches. Thanks Again!!
You sir have had an experience with Jesus through their videos. They don't do this because of their own desire to share. That's literally Jesus through them. Being a believer isn't about being religious, it's about a friendship with your Creator.
What you should do in order to lessen signal dropout is to use a better access point for your router because normally the antennas in those routers even in the high end ones are not fully capable of streaming to multiple clients with QoS and low dropouts therefore for a whole setup with a band you should have a separate router with QoS capability. In my case i have a ubiquiti edge router that assigns the ip address to the iphones and manages them quickly enough but doesnt waste its cpu resources in wireless processing as that is handled by a separate wireless acces point (ubiquiti AP pro nano) that runs multiple clients and at a much higher bandwidth(1300mps) this allows for a) being able to have the router in one location with multiple Access points deployed on stage so there is no dead zones or weak signal areas that a traditional router may encounter and then b) I am able to hang those access points on stands minimizing 5ghz dropouts that are caused by simply blocking the device from the routers antenna as 5ghz signal is much more faster but easier to disrupt than traditional 2.4ghz which is slower but can bounce and travel around walls, objects, humans, etc. To put it simply a traditional router from best buy does the roles that a network has 1)routing 2) ethernet switching 3)wireless accespoint and while it does a good enough job it is not a master at any of them. I can say that for a full band setup in the future you should use a dedicated router and dedicated acces points to have the best wireless coverage and signal the only limitation/ bottleneck here would be the iphones antenna and sorry for the long comment but i am a sound guy and a network nerd and just wanted to give my idea that works with my band to help out others too.
@@vf_goldkmphogina9570 That's not difficult. CAT-5 is the most widely used quality of cable mostly due to it's value. It can be ran up to 100 meters = 328 Feet without signal loss/quality. CAT-6 isn't much more expensive and is slightly better isolated from any interference. In either case your communication protocol is the same, just the quality of cable that's different. You would plug one end of that CAT-5 or CAT-6 ethernet cable into the Mac/PC where you're running the software, and run it all the way to the stage (you can run it overhead, or along with the normal snake that you'd run from your console - doesn't matter much). Plug the other end into your wireless access point which you would keep on stage and all of your musicians and singers who are using the system are in much closer proximity to the wifi access point, so the signal doesn't have to travel very far. This is far more reliable than keeping a fancy router with powerful antennas next to your console/pc way in the back. Because between you and that console you have a crowd of people who are presumably using wireless devices.
Great video showcasing an exciting way to get into wireless monitoring. My only downside is when you go to adjust your mix it just looks like your on your phone checking a text or something. The visual just isn’t great. But great video!
To the latency topic: You can't notice the latency, if you only listen to the signals coming from the same (maybe delayed) source... You should compare the signal of the iPhone to the signal from your bodypack to see, if there is any latency
@@Churchfront Have you check some recordings from "outside" (e.g. service recording, ...) to see if you're on point with the others? I mean, if all your IE-Monitoring is delayed, YOU can't notice that you're off, but everybody else could... would be interesting to check
I’m hoping to get a quick response from you. We just got 3 performers up and running for a test run of this system. I am wondering if you first noticed that the quality of sound was a little more “digitized” than normally used to. That’s the best way I can explain my result so far. It almost sounds like a doubler effect is on each channel through this IEM system. What has been your experience so far? Otherwise, we love it. We even set up a room mic and the ambience gives so much more feel back to the IEMs.
So did you ever implement this in your church ? We tried it in our youth building but felt it was not yet ready for prime time , The latency was the biggest isssue along with drop outs. Just wondering if it was more successful for your team ?
Excellent follow up to your previous test video. I’m a skeptic however your experience is moving me to become a believer. We have android users in the band so I’m early interested that there may be a application for these users somewhere on the horizon. Keep making videos. What makes them different is your honesty. Well done and thanks for spending the time so we don’t have to. Cheers
With low’ish cost, minimal cabling, and your willingness to be a crash test dummy, this is the in-ear option I’m trying out. Got the crazy space ship router on refurb (Lord, please let it be healthy), buuut I got a i7 Mac Pro Mid 2012 w/ Qu-32, I’ll see if it works for us! Thanks for the post!
With it coming over wi-fi, I wouldn't expect there to be latency, as long as there's enough bandwidth in the wi-fi to handle all of the devices. There should probably be a separate wi-fi router for AV than for everything else or you could have so many devices connected to the network that it couldn't keep up.
Great Video ! I would love to see you post more of you worshiping at your church. It helps with seeing everything you show us put into action. You are one of my favorite UA-camrs
this is awesome. this is waht I was always dreaming monitoring system. thank you for the videos. I'm really excited now. but one thing is that I still worried about latency. I JUST WANNA TRY THIS!!
Awesome, i remember seeing a similar approach a few years ago, but it was really early stage, this looks more stable, we currently use the X32 mixer with P1 wired Amps, but our WL didn't feel confortable with the hanging cable. I'll propose this, thanks for the info!
Thanks for all the great information and inputs. Just for curiosity have you tried using this setup with bluetooth earbud or earphone, just to be completely cable free. Let me know if you have.
Hi... you still use this system? Did you agree other person to the monitoring system? It works ok? If it does it would be great to heard again with more people.. Im thinking to implement this Soundcaster to my church.. thanks
I have a situation when one church building gathering different church groups and they all use the same sound system. My mixer is Presonus StudioLive 32 digital. My question is; can I use AudioFussen purchase line for deferent church group worship team, or they all need to purchase separately which will cost a lot of money. Let's say if I have 10 in-ear purchased can all church groups use that in different iPhones?
I remember introducing some new vocalists to our in-ear packs, and showing the Presonus phone app that controls what gets sent to that pack. Then the following week, they say it’s not working.. only to find they’ve skipped the pack and tried to plug into their phone.. I think this solution is what a lot of churches are looking for.
Quick question. How did you capture the audio from your mix? Where you able to record using an iOS based audio recorder or something like that? I’m asking because I’m curious if the iOS based mixer could be used to create a mix for something like iOS based live stream using this tech
thanks for making these videos brother. i noticed one "problem" with using this system. Every time a musician adjusts anything on the performer app app during worship, they would look a little inappropriate, like they're checking their text messages or updating their facebook during worship.
Great video Jack, super usefull, Does the company had told you how much time it's gonna be for the app to be able at Android devices? Greetings from Argentina
Awesome man !! I just ordered the same router to try in our youth services. Couple quick questions which iPhone where using? Also noticed in your tracks left and tracks right the left was pretty heavy. Did you pan each track respectively? Sure would be nice to see stereo linking in future updates. Is that a Shure sm7B ?
Hi Jake, Love the new technology! Keep us updated on this! I've got a quick question. Do you use mic's to mic the crowd to mix in the in-ear mix? And if yes, what kind of mic's do you use for this? I couldn't find them in the ministry toolkit. Hope you can help!
We have a sound craft digital board that we can adjust our iem's from iPads and iPhones and android stuff, would be cool if they could add the sound capability to it like that...we're going to have to replace all of our iem's because of the change in useable frequencies...
I know right?!? I'm the audio engineer at my church and we use an Expression 3 for audio. I love the ViSi apps for Android/iOS, but I wish they had audio output built in. That would be amazing.
@@Churchfront The problem with this is that it's so dependent on so many things. In the future, if this company does release the android app they will get a lot of 'hate' from people with cheap android phones where this won't work because the 5ghz WiFi signal is lacking. The same will happen when mixers will implement this functionality. People will not read the manual and think: "this 50$ wifi router will be good enough" and will have a bad experience. I like that this is working for you and I'm curious for the future development. As a WiFi expert (pro WiFi in the enterprise) I'm curious how this will work with multiple connected devices. With the current standard (802.11 AC) there can only be one device "talking" through a WiFi channel at the same time because of interference (which thus adds latency when more devices are connected to that one network). Also the traffic is only possible in one direction (half duplex). With the coming standard (802.11 AX), that issue will be resolved. BUT it only works when EVERY connected device supports 802.11 AX, otherwise it will fall back and have added latency.
Looking forward to see the demo of streaming to 16 musicians which definitely will put huge pressure to the app and router. If it works well, it's really worth looking into it.
Hey Jake this is really cool it's hard to believe that it's actually reality now to use your phone as a mixer for in ears wirelessly on a side-note do you know if Loop Community for Prime app is down we have not been able to reach them for a few days now just curious thanks for any info you can help us with.
We tried this a few months ago - but when we were using it we were getting latency issues. Was there any delay in sound for you? It was under a second of latency but it was just enough that it could cause timing issues.
Unfortunately my church isn’t willing to spend the money it would take to have this. We have 5 band members. And in order to get them all a signal (if I read correctly) it would cost me $499.00 to send each of them signals from the soundcaster app on my MacBook Pro. And I still have to purchase the interface and router. Am I correct?
I've been creepin' on your channel for a while, Jake. Gotta say, you do a great job keeping me abreast of the latest tech. Hope to see this tech mature across Android and iOS... I'm sure it will. Curious: can you send music from your phone into the board using this app? I use the Worshiptutorials pads and neutron (thanks for those vids BTW) when we play and I'm curious if this eliminate the cable from phone to mixer.
Thank you! You could definitely use this to send audio back to your mixer. Probably not the indented use but it should work! Just use an aid cable to plug it in!
I want to buy the software audiofusionsystems, I can use Director or not., My trial version cannot control each input channel separately, Looking forward to support
BeatBuddy Worship I’ve been using clicks for years and it definitely does take a little getting used to but you learn to keep it as a backbone in your mix and it helps in the role of drums (except it’s always on tempo) lol I have noticed once you and your band get the hang of it you will be tighter than ever as well as being able to use multi tracks to fill in the music too!
When you're on stage, and you have bleed from other instruments, the click (which isn't part of on stage volume) sounds softer than the other instruments, so boosting it a little makes sense. I play bass and have bass in my ears, but obviously less than I need it, because I still have a bass amp on stage which helps.
Hey Jake thanks for the review. I did some beta testing with this but didn't have a ton of time to troubleshoot with the way our current church is setup. Are you also recording your service to a DAW while running this? I am using an XR-18 but I record the service as well and was seeing if you are doing something similar and if it was working alright for you.
Jérôme PEREZ I might give it a go in the test mode and see. When I beta tested it I had some weird latency and audio issues but I also had just an airport express.
Do you think this system would hold up with an average sized band, probably 5-7 while also using the same router to run pro remote and the stage display app on a few devices?
Don’t know yet but I plan on increasing the number of users in the near future. I’ll create an update video later. Don’t see what that wouldn’t work, but they recommend keep the in ear monitors on it’s own dedicated router.
@@Churchfront Now i understand how they make it possible to add that many licenses and connected users. That means that for every person you need extra: 1 WiFi router, à 300 euro.
It was really great to see you and your team in your space leading worship too! I've been curious over the last couple months. "What does Jake's worship team sound and look like?" haha! This was awesome!
Question? Where do you recommend I place the WiFi router? I am like 50 feet away from the stage, which I can install up high above the people. Please advise.
What type of router are you running? Did you also select the optimal channel and change the width to 40hz on the router? The only other thing I can think of is maybe there is a ton of interference at your church? I know at my office there are dozens of wifi networks, so maybe it was just harder to find a clean one there and would never be perfect. But at the school we meet at there are not nearly as many.
I use the same Linksys 5400 that you guys use. There are a good amount of wireless signals running off of the 2.4GHz band but pretty much nothing else on the 5GHz band. Right now I have it set at 80hz but I’ll change it to 40 to see if that helps. Hopefully it works. I love this system and I really want it to be successful! But if the pops and stuff don’t go away idk what I’m gonna do. Brandon from Audiofusion came up to my church to try and troubleshoot but he didn’t find any reason for it either... just gonna keep tweaking things till it works I guess lol.
Hi Jake, nice test you've done here. I'm really curious to see how it will behave when more clients will be connected to your dedicated WiFi. I'm just into IEM (I mean real ones, not a headset like I used before) since a few weeks, and this solution will be nice on other platforms. Crash test dummy 😂 (for the glory of God 😇)
Jake have you tried singing and or talking in to your mic while the channel is soloed? I just cant get the Latency low enough. In the mix its not as noticeable but when by itself it sounds as if there is a chorus Effect put on my voice and I am not sure what or how to combat that. In the mix with Ableton running it was not noticeable but when soloed by itself it shows up , Sound is so clean and really want to move forward with it just not sure about the Latency issues.
Yeah, the latency is definitely noticeable when it's just me and I do know what you mean about the chorus effect, but the upside of the clarity of the mix totally outweighs that minimal latency.
Great job showing how this CAN work in a REAL setting. So Good Jake! My question : How are you using WiFi in a mobile set up? Are you logged into the venues main line? Thanks for the help and continuing to equip us. You rock!
We recommend that you set up your Wi-Fi router as an independent network (LAN) just for the band; not even connected to the internet. You won't have to depend on the venue's main line
My church is using the same setup. Everything works very well in practice sessions but we always experience short drop out and whenever the real worship session starts as the hall is filled with members. Not sure how to solve this issue. The modem is already placed at the ceiling right above the centre of the stage
At the moment Performer and SoundCaster will return to the settings you used last time you connected. We do have plans on our roadmap to add saving of 'Scenes' or 'Snapshots'. We'll continue to roll out those developments to the app for free.
Hey Jake, so i’m a worship leader at a small church as well and our worship team is trying to become more organized so i was wondering if you could do a video and scheduling worship sets, i’ve heard some people use the Planning Center app but it’s kind of confusing for me, thanks if you do a video on this it would help so much
Planning center is a great tool for any church, but especially for bigger churches. You can schedule people, set rehearsals and what not; it's great. My church uses most of the features that are available through it.
Hi Jake Thanks for all the great work you are doing. This looks like a great idea to expand our monitor system. We are using the Yamaha TF5 console and are using all it outputs already between monitor mixes, parents room and an induction loop. Do you have any idea how to set up the Audifusion with the Yamaha? Especially grouping channels together like you did with your drum channels. If you know or hear of anybody using a Yamaha digital mixer I would love to speak to them about this.
Thanks Eugene! My guess is you should be able to replicate this setup on Yamaha. If you can make a subgroup mix with your drums and then route that mix out the digital sound card, it should work great.
Mine works 95% of the time but then randomly glitches and skips for 3-4 seconds and I cannot figure out for the life of me why. It makes it unusable live for us. Do you have any suggestions?
4 years ago I was a stone cold atheist. My wife is a believer although she really never had a relationship with Jesus. That’s really the idea. Anyway , I decided that I would talk to God everyday and truly seek the truth. Regardless what the truth is I want to know. By the way, believing in evolution takes way more faith. My journey took about 2 years. I now have a rock solid relationship with Jesus and can’t believe just how stupid I had been. The Bible actually makes sense to me now when I read it. If you truly examine all the evidence and look at everything with an open mind you can only conclude one thing. Jesus died on the cross for our sins. I remember as an atheist thinking that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. I now know and understand there was no other way. Tears still come to my eyes every time I talk about it including now.
I used to be a Christian, following His word with full compliance, but I finally found that Scientology was the real answer. Evolution is clearly a distraction made by Satan to make lots of money, and when I first heard Metatron's voice instructing me to follow Jesus I wasn't sure it was real, but I went along anyway. Long story short, learning about Lord Xenu from the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard has set me on a path, and now I feel so stupid for having been a Christian. Blessings to the messiah L. Ron Hubbard. Lord Xenu loves you, and wishes everyone peace.
Typically, you can get 3 to 4 hours plus on a full charge with an iPhone 6 or newer. You should turn off the screen between adjustments. Some of my band like to keep the iPhone open on a clip on the mix stand and they will get 2~3 hours with the screen on the whole time.
I'm a stone cold unbeliever; however, I have to thank you for your videos. The UA-cam "faith-tech" community's generosity has made it possible for me to figure out multiple audio tracks in Abelton Live and a lot of midi control nonsense for the tribute bands I'm in. It doesn't make me any more religious, but I have a warm place in my heathen heart for the tech staff at churches. Thanks Again!!
You sir have had an experience with Jesus through their videos. They don't do this because of their own desire to share. That's literally Jesus through them. Being a believer isn't about being religious, it's about a friendship with your Creator.
@@earlem9771 True
Glad I can help Andrew!
Why the need to feel you must tell your lack of belief?
@@siphondhlovu1153 Conviction and pride.
What you should do in order to lessen signal dropout is to use a better access point for your router because normally the antennas in those routers even in the high end ones are not fully capable of streaming to multiple clients with QoS and low dropouts therefore for a whole setup with a band you should have a separate router with QoS capability. In my case i have a ubiquiti edge router that assigns the ip address to the iphones and manages them quickly enough but doesnt waste its cpu resources in wireless processing as that is handled by a separate wireless acces point (ubiquiti AP pro nano) that runs multiple clients and at a much higher bandwidth(1300mps) this allows for a) being able to have the router in one location with multiple Access points deployed on stage so there is no dead zones or weak signal areas that a traditional router may encounter and then b) I am able to hang those access points on stands minimizing 5ghz dropouts that are caused by simply blocking the device from the routers antenna as 5ghz signal is much more faster but easier to disrupt than traditional 2.4ghz which is slower but can bounce and travel around walls, objects, humans, etc. To put it simply a traditional router from best buy does the roles that a network has 1)routing 2) ethernet switching 3)wireless accespoint and while it does a good enough job it is not a master at any of them. I can say that for a full band setup in the future you should use a dedicated router and dedicated acces points to have the best wireless coverage and signal the only limitation/ bottleneck here would be the iphones antenna and sorry for the long comment but i am a sound guy and a network nerd and just wanted to give my idea that works with my band to help out others too.
You should make a UA-cam video on this setup.
Actually, all you have to do is run a single CAT6 to the stage and set up the wifi access point onstage instead
I don't fully understand everything mentioned here but I would love to learn more about it
Please do a vide on this explanation. Also if you understand this CAT6 comment by luckyal if you could explain that as well. Thank you
@@vf_goldkmphogina9570 That's not difficult. CAT-5 is the most widely used quality of cable mostly due to it's value. It can be ran up to 100 meters = 328 Feet without signal loss/quality. CAT-6 isn't much more expensive and is slightly better isolated from any interference. In either case your communication protocol is the same, just the quality of cable that's different. You would plug one end of that CAT-5 or CAT-6 ethernet cable into the Mac/PC where you're running the software, and run it all the way to the stage (you can run it overhead, or along with the normal snake that you'd run from your console - doesn't matter much). Plug the other end into your wireless access point which you would keep on stage and all of your musicians and singers who are using the system are in much closer proximity to the wifi access point, so the signal doesn't have to travel very far. This is far more reliable than keeping a fancy router with powerful antennas next to your console/pc way in the back. Because between you and that console you have a crowd of people who are presumably using wireless devices.
Really excited to hear that this worked well for you! Thanks for not only being a guinea pig for your team but for other worship leaders out there!
thanks bro!
Thanks Jake on the strength of your video we are going to give this system a shot... God Bless
Thanks Jake for the update! I’m definitely going to be recommending this to my Pastor and sound team. Excited to try this! God Bless!
Awesome!
Do you still use audio fusion? Or have you found anything better in five years?
Great video showcasing an exciting way to get into wireless monitoring. My only downside is when you go to adjust your mix it just looks like your on your phone checking a text or something. The visual just isn’t great. But great video!
To the latency topic: You can't notice the latency, if you only listen to the signals coming from the same (maybe delayed) source...
You should compare the signal of the iPhone to the signal from your bodypack to see, if there is any latency
Latency wasn’t an issue using this with my band
@@Churchfront Have you check some recordings from "outside" (e.g. service recording, ...) to see if you're on point with the others? I mean, if all your IE-Monitoring is delayed, YOU can't notice that you're off, but everybody else could... would be interesting to check
@@LJTobek I think he would notice solely based on his own vocals being delayed coming from his own mouth to his own ears through this system.
I’m hoping to get a quick response from you. We just got 3 performers up and running for a test run of this system. I am wondering if you first noticed that the quality of sound was a little more “digitized” than normally used to. That’s the best way I can explain my result so far. It almost sounds like a doubler effect is on each channel through this IEM system. What has been your experience so far? Otherwise, we love it. We even set up a room mic and the ambience gives so much more feel back to the IEMs.
@Jake do you still recommend this as an in-ear monitor solution? Wanted to know your thoughts after you had more band members use it.
So did you ever implement this in your church ? We tried it in our youth building but felt it was not yet ready for prime time , The latency was the biggest isssue along with drop outs. Just wondering if it was more successful for your team ?
I would smash the like button multiple times if I could, this is amazing and you did a great job on both of these videos! Thank you!!
🙏🏻Thanks Justin! Appreciate you, brother!
Excellent follow up to your previous test video. I’m a skeptic however your experience is moving me to become a believer. We have android users in the band so I’m early interested that there may be a application for these users somewhere on the horizon. Keep making videos. What makes them different is your honesty. Well done and thanks for spending the time so we don’t have to. Cheers
With low’ish cost, minimal cabling, and your willingness to be a crash test dummy, this is the in-ear option I’m trying out. Got the crazy space ship router on refurb (Lord, please let it be healthy), buuut I got a i7 Mac Pro Mid 2012 w/ Qu-32, I’ll see if it works for us! Thanks for the post!
Awesome Evan!
How's this going for you? I'm curious to hear some real life reports of this being used in action, not just testing.
Quick question do you need an actual digital mixer to make this thing work? or you'll be good just a phone and in-ear monitor? thanks in advance.
With it coming over wi-fi, I wouldn't expect there to be latency, as long as there's enough bandwidth in the wi-fi to handle all of the devices. There should probably be a separate wi-fi router for AV than for everything else or you could have so many devices connected to the network that it couldn't keep up.
This is really exciting! I'm glad the test went this well. Thank you for teaching us all you know. Bless you!
Thanks Joey!
Great Video ! I would love to see you post more of you worshiping at your church. It helps with seeing everything you show us put into action. You are one of my favorite UA-camrs
Thanks Cesar! I hope to do that some day soon!
Thanks for demoing this. I ha r been looking at this option but haven’t pulled the trigger yet!
DO IT!
this is awesome. this is waht I was always dreaming monitoring system. thank you for the videos. I'm really excited now.
but one thing is that I still worried about latency. I JUST WANNA TRY THIS!!
Give it a try with their gear test mode!
Awesome, i remember seeing a similar approach a few years ago, but it was really early stage, this looks more stable, we currently use the X32 mixer with P1 wired Amps, but our WL didn't feel confortable with the hanging cable. I'll propose this, thanks for the info!
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Thanks for all the great information and inputs. Just for curiosity have you tried using this setup with bluetooth earbud or earphone, just to be completely cable free. Let me know if you have.
I have not. I'm sure it works but the latency would be too much for a live music situation.
Hi... you still use this system? Did you agree other person to the monitoring system? It works ok? If it does it would be great to heard again with more people.. Im thinking to implement this Soundcaster to my church.. thanks
Instead of using a laptop for the mixer, can you use an iPad ? Or does it need to be a laptop?
This program seems great for studio sessions or just playing at home without having to be stuck to your laptop with headphones.
Yes there are a lot of other great applications for this.
I have a situation when one church building gathering different church groups and they all use the same sound system. My mixer is Presonus StudioLive 32 digital. My question is; can I use AudioFussen purchase line for deferent church group worship team, or they all need to purchase separately which will cost a lot of money. Let's say if I have 10 in-ear purchased can all church groups use that in different iPhones?
I remember introducing some new vocalists to our in-ear packs, and showing the Presonus phone app that controls what gets sent to that pack. Then the following week, they say it’s not working.. only to find they’ve skipped the pack and tried to plug into their phone.. I think this solution is what a lot of churches are looking for.
That's hilarious and not surprising.😂
Aaron Young great skip the pack. golden!
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THANKS Jake, Thanks Jesus ! GOD bless you !
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Nuff respect!! ✊ that you used your own time and $$ to make an honest review
Thanks!
Keep up these amazing videos brotha
Thanks Darryl!
Well done jake!!!! Thanks a lot!! How do you route or make sure that you can hear effect, I’m on try mode and I can’t seem to figure it out.
Quick question. How did you capture the audio from your mix? Where you able to record using an iOS based audio recorder or something like that? I’m asking because I’m curious if the iOS based mixer could be used to create a mix for something like iOS based live stream using this tech
thanks for making these videos brother.
i noticed one "problem" with using this system. Every time a musician adjusts anything on the performer app app during worship, they would look a little inappropriate, like they're checking their text messages or updating their facebook during worship.
I think people would think they’re looking at lyrics not texting lol
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Great video Jack, super usefull, Does the company had told you how much time it's gonna be for the app to be able at Android devices? Greetings from Argentina
Out of curiosity, do you have floor wedges also? If not, what do the musicians use when they don’t use the audio fusion stuff? Wired?
Awesome man !! I just ordered the same router to try in our youth services. Couple quick questions which iPhone where using? Also noticed in your tracks left and tracks right the left was pretty heavy. Did you pan each track respectively? Sure would be nice to see stereo linking in future updates. Is that a Shure sm7B ?
iPhone X. I think I accidentally adjusted the tracks like that. Yes it’s a SM7b
Hi Jake,
Love the new technology! Keep us updated on this!
I've got a quick question. Do you use mic's to mic the crowd to mix in the in-ear mix? And if yes, what kind of mic's do you use for this? I couldn't find them in the ministry toolkit.
Hope you can help!
thanks Herrie! I don't have a congregation mic yet but I plan on trying that in the near future.
If you have in ear headphones can you use a dongle to convert to the iPhone input? Would it still sound good?
please keep us updated on this, this is amazing
still works great
Cound/nt you just connect your iphone directly to your digital sounddesk wifi connection while using the performer app?..
Hey Jake, at 4:40 it looks like you are checking your phone for messages :) I wonder if anybody in your Church noticed?
We have a sound craft digital board that we can adjust our iem's from iPads and iPhones and android stuff, would be cool if they could add the sound capability to it like that...we're going to have to replace all of our iem's because of the change in useable frequencies...
Yeah I think eventually the digital console manufactures will add this functionality.
I know right?!? I'm the audio engineer at my church and we use an Expression 3 for audio. I love the ViSi apps for Android/iOS, but I wish they had audio output built in. That would be amazing.
@@Churchfront The problem with this is that it's so dependent on so many things. In the future, if this company does release the android app they will get a lot of 'hate' from people with cheap android phones where this won't work because the 5ghz WiFi signal is lacking. The same will happen when mixers will implement this functionality. People will not read the manual and think: "this 50$ wifi router will be good enough" and will have a bad experience.
I like that this is working for you and I'm curious for the future development. As a WiFi expert (pro WiFi in the enterprise) I'm curious how this will work with multiple connected devices. With the current standard (802.11 AC) there can only be one device "talking" through a WiFi channel at the same time because of interference (which thus adds latency when more devices are connected to that one network). Also the traffic is only possible in one direction (half duplex). With the coming standard (802.11 AX), that issue will be resolved. BUT it only works when EVERY connected device supports 802.11 AX, otherwise it will fall back and have added latency.
Looking forward to see the demo of streaming to 16 musicians which definitely will put huge pressure to the app and router. If it works well, it's really worth looking into it.
Hi. Thanks for the video. What app are you using and do we have similar app for Android user?
As far as I saw there is still no support for Android and Windows. :-(
Can you do a video on the best universal in ear monitors for under $100?
Awesome! Thanks for sharing the updates with us! What is the distance between router and you on stage?
I think it’s like 50ft!
Just answer this question. What is the latency Delay with this system?
Hey Jake this is really cool it's hard to believe that it's actually reality now to use your phone as a mixer for in ears wirelessly on a side-note do you know if Loop Community for Prime app is down we have not been able to reach them for a few days now just curious thanks for any info you can help us with.
We tried this a few months ago - but when we were using it we were getting latency issues. Was there any delay in sound for you? It was under a second of latency but it was just enough that it could cause timing issues.
This is exactly what I assumed with this set up....
Unfortunately my church isn’t willing to spend the money it would take to have this. We have 5 band members. And in order to get them all a signal (if I read correctly) it would cost me $499.00 to send each of them signals from the soundcaster app on my MacBook Pro. And I still have to purchase the interface and router. Am I correct?
I would love to hear a follow up on how his is going for you so far
I have a question would this setup work with airpods ? And or there is a delay in audio not recomemded for live performance .
I've been creepin' on your channel for a while, Jake. Gotta say, you do a great job keeping me abreast of the latest tech. Hope to see this tech mature across Android and iOS... I'm sure it will. Curious: can you send music from your phone into the board using this app? I use the Worshiptutorials pads and neutron (thanks for those vids BTW) when we play and I'm curious if this eliminate the cable from phone to mixer.
Thank you! You could definitely use this to send audio back to your mixer. Probably not the indented use but it should work! Just use an aid cable to plug it in!
How is this system holding up after a few months of use? Are more band members using it?
I use it every week still, and sometimes others use it. Works great
Are you still running this rig? Still working without issues? I'm currently trying to decide between this and traditional in-ears for my church.
Yes, still running it with two musicians. Still works great
Would it be possible to use airpod pros you think?
Thanks. Was the mac you ran this on running anything else for the service in addition?
Yes we run ProPresenter and our lighting computer with this mac
I enjoyed watching your video bro! Hugs and blessings from Chile!
Sort of unrelated, but I dig the new sm7b. I could hear the “smoothness” created by the mic. Yes. I’m a mic nerd.
Haha thanks Matthew!
I want to buy the software audiofusionsystems, I can use Director or not., My trial version cannot control each input channel separately, Looking forward to support
I would reach out to audiofusionsystems.com if you need support with this product.
I have never used IEM, because of the pricing, but that guide track sounds so distracting to me...does it take some time getting use to?
BeatBuddy Worship I’ve been using clicks for years and it definitely does take a little getting used to but you learn to keep it as a backbone in your mix and it helps in the role of drums (except it’s always on tempo) lol I have noticed once you and your band get the hang of it you will be tighter than ever as well as being able to use multi tracks to fill in the music too!
Takes a little time but I’m totally used to it. Maybe took just s few weeks
Thank you very much! This is very helpful, we’ve been looking for a wireless solution to in ear monitoring.
Glad I can help!
Really cool system!!! Omg why is your click track so loud tho
Lol. I NEED MORE COWBELL
When you're on stage, and you have bleed from other instruments, the click (which isn't part of on stage volume) sounds softer than the other instruments, so boosting it a little makes sense. I play bass and have bass in my ears, but obviously less than I need it, because I still have a bass amp on stage which helps.
Hey Jake thanks for the review. I did some beta testing with this but didn't have a ton of time to troubleshoot with the way our current church is setup. Are you also recording your service to a DAW while running this? I am using an XR-18 but I record the service as well and was seeing if you are doing something similar and if it was working alright for you.
I'm using the same board, if you find a solution I'll be glad to know. If you have some tips, I'll be your first audience ;)
Jérôme PEREZ I might give it a go in the test mode and see. When I beta tested it I had some weird latency and audio issues but I also had just an airport express.
I also have the same question
Do you think this system would hold up with an average sized band, probably 5-7 while also using the same router to run pro remote and the stage display app on a few devices?
Don’t know yet but I plan on increasing the number of users in the near future. I’ll create an update video later. Don’t see what that wouldn’t work, but they recommend keep the in ear monitors on it’s own dedicated router.
@@Churchfront Now i understand how they make it possible to add that many licenses and connected users. That means that for every person you need extra: 1 WiFi router, à 300 euro.
Hey!
is there any update on this system? is it still working for you?
How far was the router from the stage? I imagine that makes a difference.
I think it would be good to have feedback from you when you try connecting more people to the network used for this inear monitoring
I plan on doing that this Sunday.
It was really great to see you and your team in your space leading worship too! I've been curious over the last couple months. "What does Jake's worship team sound and look like?" haha! This was awesome!
Haha yep! I’ll eventually make more videos like this. It’s just so dang hard trying to setup and lead rehearsal and make videos. Lol
Question? Where do you recommend I place the WiFi router? I am like 50 feet away from the stage, which I can install up high above the people. Please advise.
We have ours in the tech booth, about 50ft away. works great, even with people in between. i think it would help putting it on stage.
Churchfront with Jake Gosselin thank u!!!
So glad it worked man!!! How did you get rid of those pops and drops? We are still having issues with it.
Jon Burton
He said he boosted some gains in his mix and it worked
You might want to try it
What type of router are you running? Did you also select the optimal channel and change the width to 40hz on the router? The only other thing I can think of is maybe there is a ton of interference at your church? I know at my office there are dozens of wifi networks, so maybe it was just harder to find a clean one there and would never be perfect. But at the school we meet at there are not nearly as many.
I use the same Linksys 5400 that you guys use. There are a good amount of wireless signals running off of the 2.4GHz band but pretty much nothing else on the 5GHz band. Right now I have it set at 80hz but I’ll change it to 40 to see if that helps. Hopefully it works. I love this system and I really want it to be successful! But if the pops and stuff don’t go away idk what I’m gonna do. Brandon from Audiofusion came up to my church to try and troubleshoot but he didn’t find any reason for it either... just gonna keep tweaking things till it works I guess lol.
@@jonburton3517 I saw a HUGE difference by narrowing the frequency to 40hz. I bet that would help. It's not 100% perfect but 99.9% there.
Good to hear! I will definitely do that!
Hi Jake, nice test you've done here. I'm really curious to see how it will behave when more clients will be connected to your dedicated WiFi. I'm just into IEM (I mean real ones, not a headset like I used before) since a few weeks, and this solution will be nice on other platforms.
Crash test dummy 😂 (for the glory of God 😇)
Thanks Jerome! I’ll keep you updated.
Nice info 💪🏽🙏🏽
Jake have you tried singing and or talking in to your mic while the channel is soloed? I just cant get the Latency low enough. In the mix its not as noticeable but when by itself it sounds as if there is a chorus Effect put on my voice and I am not sure what or how to combat that. In the mix with Ableton running it was not noticeable but when soloed by itself it shows up , Sound is so clean and really want to move forward with it just not sure about the Latency issues.
Yeah, the latency is definitely noticeable when it's just me and I do know what you mean about the chorus effect, but the upside of the clarity of the mix totally outweighs that minimal latency.
Great job showing how this CAN work in a REAL setting. So Good Jake! My question : How are you using WiFi in a mobile set up? Are you logged into the venues main line? Thanks for the help and continuing to equip us. You rock!
We recommend that you set up your Wi-Fi router as an independent network (LAN) just for the band; not even connected to the internet. You won't have to depend on the venue's main line
Yeah we use our own router.
@@AudioFusionSystems Perfect, and will do. THANK YOU.
Would love to hear your thoughts now that it has been 2 months
What camera and lens dis you use for recording this video? Is it full frame?
Canon 6d mii with 24mm f/1.4
You have us in suspense man. I asked for a follow up 2 months ago and again 6 days ago with no response. Would love to hear your thoughts
Could you play a backing track with vocals in the ear monitors?
Sure. You could use the prime app or multitracks app for this
My church is using the same setup. Everything works very well in practice sessions but we always experience short drop out and whenever the real worship session starts as the hall is filled with members. Not sure how to solve this issue. The modem is already placed at the ceiling right above the centre of the stage
Try hiding your ssid. It will free your modem of answering all people phone asking for all available modems.
Does the app make "snapshots" possible? As in, can you save mixes for different songs and such?
At the moment Performer and SoundCaster will return to the settings you used last time you connected. We do have plans on our roadmap to add saving of 'Scenes' or 'Snapshots'. We'll continue to roll out those developments to the app for free.
Hey Jake, so i’m a worship leader at a small church as well and our worship team is trying to become more organized so i was wondering if you could do a video and scheduling worship sets, i’ve heard some people use the Planning Center app but it’s kind of confusing for me, thanks if you do a video on this it would help so much
Hey Elijah! I’ve got a complete online course in this at www.worshipleaderschool.com
Planning center is a great tool for any church, but especially for bigger churches. You can schedule people, set rehearsals and what not; it's great. My church uses most of the features that are available through it.
Hi Jake
Thanks for all the great work you are doing.
This looks like a great idea to expand our monitor system. We are using the Yamaha TF5 console and are using all it outputs already between monitor mixes, parents room and an induction loop.
Do you have any idea how to set up the Audifusion with the Yamaha? Especially grouping channels together like you did with your drum channels. If you know or hear of anybody using a Yamaha digital mixer I would love to speak to them about this.
Thanks Eugene! My guess is you should be able to replicate this setup on Yamaha. If you can make a subgroup mix with your drums and then route that mix out the digital sound card, it should work great.
Thanks
DId you use the same router (Linksys) for all your other wifi connections - iow your mac running Ableton, lights, pro presenter, ect?
What is the cost of soundcaster per musician? In other words, how many musicians can have in-ears? thanks
It's $99/per musician
Thats great... awesome video
Thanks Manuel!
Few month has past i wonder how is going ? do u still use it? do you find it worthy?
Still use it. Works great.
Are you still using the AudioFusionSystems stuff? Is the rest of the band on it yet?
Yes, I use it every week and sometimes other members use it. Gonna make an update video soon.
Mine works 95% of the time but then randomly glitches and skips for 3-4 seconds and I cannot figure out for the life of me why. It makes it unusable live for us. Do you have any suggestions?
What are your IEMs?
Cómo lo puedo comprar en México? Pon el link por favor
Once you get used to hearing a click track, it becomes like another instrument in the band. The end result is a super tight performance.
However if your timing is bang on.. you wont hear the click at all ... just sayin lol
is there detectable latency?
How was battery life using it?
Please let us know this. Your phone.... How bad is the drain from using?
FYI: still watching but I love this song 5:00
Thanks!
Ah, yes, the never-ending set-up-tear-down for Sunday morning service. It's a love/hate relationship.
Can you add reverb
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Gene Miller I do not see this comment in combination with this video. How did that happen?
Eric has a good point, but also a great testimony 👍🏻
I used to be a Christian, following His word with full compliance, but I finally found that Scientology was the real answer. Evolution is clearly a distraction made by Satan to make lots of money, and when I first heard Metatron's voice instructing me to follow Jesus I wasn't sure it was real, but I went along anyway. Long story short, learning about Lord Xenu from the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard has set me on a path, and now I feel so stupid for having been a Christian. Blessings to the messiah L. Ron Hubbard. Lord Xenu loves you, and wishes everyone peace.
does it work with an analog board?
Yes but you will need additional gear like an audio interface
How was your battery life on your phone?
Typically, you can get 3 to 4 hours plus on a full charge with an iPhone 6 or newer. You should turn off the screen between adjustments. Some of my band like to keep the iPhone open on a clip on the mix stand and they will get 2~3 hours with the screen on the whole time.
My phone had 50% battery after using it from 8:00am to 11:15am
But does it work with AirPods?
Ha I’m sure it works but latency would be horrible