LGBT Pride: A new religion?
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- With its own dogmas, rituals, calendar and even language, has LGBT Pride become an established religion? We asked Revd Dr Matthew Roberts of Trinity Church York.
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“Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18 esv)
The more self-centered you are the more miserable you will be. The more Christ-centered, the happier.
The saying goes - Pride comes before a Fall. Thank you for the clarion call that the humble in spirit will inherit the world. God bless and keep us all
Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
Excellent, thank you - I will be passing it on. It's tragic that many church leaders have taken it all on board - thank God for the African bishops who are not ashamed to speak for truth on these issues!
Thank God African leaders do not speak for us in the west especially as the persecution torture and execution of LGBTQ people is shocking as well as the butchering of young girls, many aspects of African Christianity exists alongside the darker side of pagan practices.
Africans don’t even have souls
Yes, these precious Bishops may be forced to leave and join all those with the same convictions.. But God will provide for them xxx
Their* truth. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it true.
Yes!
When these sort of situations have arisen in our history, wether it be religious cults, political extremism or dangerous moral practices, there have always been level headed people in places of authority that see through them and prevent them from causing too much harm to society. But this Pride LGBT stuff seems to have cut through any kind of safety barriers and brainwashed anyone that could reasonably put a stop to it. I do pray that the Lord will save us from it. And I pray for the safety of our children that risk being irreversibly harmed in these worrying times. Thank you for having this discussion and for the bravery you display to stand up to it.
We're seeing backlash from the majority now against this movement particularly against companies that support LGBTQ. I hope it doesn't go to far the other way though
@@mattpowell6291 Of course, that would be bad too. Let's hope for some amount of balance.
Hopefully it is in the lord's plan to see who has the courage to stand for truth. It is a comfort to read so many comments here from people who don't buy into this pride crap.
I’m currently reading Matthew’s book and it’s extremely enlightening. I highly recommend it to everyone who wants to understand what’s currently happening in our culture. Excellent interview btw. Thank you.
Yes x Matthews great on what we see happening today x and if you check out REVELATION ch 13... Here you will see we're AI (Elon Musk and Co) play a big role concerning the 'Mark of the beast'. Enjoy your Bible, it's hot on the press today xxx
what else is your magic book with fairy tales telling you?
@@ArtVandalay-m7g You know, even an atheist can take lessons from the Bible. You don't have to be religious to find the morals in stories, and arguably it's your degree of faith on whether or not you take them literally.
So instead of insulting "their magic book", perhaps you might enlighten yourself instead of being a prat?
@@ArtVandalay-m7g It is telling you, my friend, to repent - before it is too late. It is telling you that Jesus loves you, that He died for you. and can save you.
@@ArtVandalay-m7g if you bothered to do your research, youd realise that matthews book, while being beautiffuly christian, also uses the facts you atheists claim to care so much about.
Thank you for this warning, and for upholding Biblical truth. There is a way which seems right to man, but its end is the way of death. Proverbs 14:12
Yes, indeed
It's a religion for people who want to go to Hell, but don't want to have to wait in line.
@@stephenkalatucka6213 Homophobe alert lol
@@ecdagod3495 Is that the equivalent for heretic in your cult
Well done to such a clear statement and may God bless you bob elliott
Thanks for this clear and concise explanation of Pride. I live in Finland and all of this applies here. I hope and pray for a spiritual and moral change in the nation.
Won't happen though. cheers
@@morganclare4704 agree, the scriptures already state this: the progression of evil and rebellion against God and His judgement. However, we are to watch, pray, and preach the gospel, that the Lord will save His chosen by His sovereign grace 🙏🏿
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
I really recommend the excellent Return of the Gods book by Johnathan Cahn. He shows the astonishing connections between LGBTQ movement and ancient gods.
@@morganclare4704 It has happened before in British history eg. According to Wood, S. (1978) The Burning Heart. London: Bethany House.There was an awakening of the national conscience in the second half of the 18th century that transformed the British empire. According to historian Nicolson, H. (1962) The Age of Reason 1700-1789 London: Constable & Co Ltd. p. 368 "The first half of the 18th century was a period of moral disorder". There is every reason to think that in a time of moral decay the conditions become ripe for renewal and reform again.
It’s literally the OPPOSITE of medieval Christianity! I would call it an anti-religion rather than a religion. Religion is intended to lead a person closer to God not away from Him.
No, religion always takes you away from God, it replaces God with Man. Christianity is a personal relationship with God, as the old Billy Graham chorus says - 'Perfect Submission'
@@beverleykelly4637 But don’t you consider yourself a Christian? Christianity is a religion (like Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, etc…). Perhaps you are really opposed to people performing religious rituals without having a relationship with God, as opposed to people performing religious rituals as an expression of their love for Him.
@@sandraelder1101 Rituals have their place but they must not be the main focus of our relationship with God. What sort of marriage would it be if the husband set aside a couple of hours with his wife to do the same thing each week and then virtually ignored her for the rest of the week? Our relationship with God should be a living one 24hrs a day. Religion is man's way to tame God into his image by demanding certain observances and commitments. Regretfully, every fresh re-awakening that occurs ends up turning into a denomination.
@@beverleykelly4637 Do you believe the religions of Judaism and Christianity are man-made attempts to tame God into our own image of Him? I would argue the Bible and Church history show they were ordained by God Himself.
How could a religion get to closer to 'god' (singular) if you followed a religion that had multiple gods? Seems like a terrible definition.
True believers know that God creates all souls equal in value and love from God.
Sorry to splatter gun comments but - follow your heart is a bad thing? Unless my heart tells me to follow jesus...? and then if i do that i must follow instead scripture...? but not just scripture but someones interpetation of it..? so basically a man of some description and time....? but my open hearet is what brought me to jesus, and now i must close my heart to the suffering of gay people? Come on guys it is 2023. This is not rational thinking.
Christians always seem to fall back on labeling (a movement, belief system, etc.) a "religion" when it is something they don't agree with. They do this quite often with the scientific community. Get this straight - religion is defined as a system of belief that has a godhead or some form of transcendence that is beyond the temporal. Don't muddy the waters with inaccurate descriptions.
A religion is a system of faith and worship, something followed with great devotion. Pride and the alphabet people are a religion full of dogma, assertions, threats, faith, adherence, belief etc. You are in a religion if you are in the pride dogma or alphabet people.
It's a cult
@@mattpowell6291 Yes, Christianity is. And it has caused, and still causes much harm to society.
@@pompidom No the LGBTQ is. It has nothing to do with love but rather forcing your own beliefs on others and attacking them when they don't pander to it.
Jesus commanded everyone to love thy neighbour. The LGBTQ activists might want to listen to Jesus otherwise the pushback against them will be even worse.
@@mattpowell6291 "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object." The pride "movement" doesn't have any devotion directed towards a particular figure or object, it is, by design a movement that encompasses a large range of views and doesn't have any specific "beliefs" so definitionally cant be a cult.
These are the end days ,prophecy is being fulfilled. ,the lords return is very near , Look-up for your redemption is nigh .
How come y’all always sit and talk on and on about what gay people believe when you could just invite one and ask what they think?
I'm sure plenty of them still think being gay is contagious...
Why don't gay people invite religious people on their platforms?
As their religion is obsessed by sex, they have nothing interesting to say.
This is not only a "cause" it is a human right. That's why it is treated exceptionally different.
It is not a human right for a man to demand to be a woman just cos he says so. You are deluded.
No, you or they are fulfilling prophecy. Everything is going as planned. Book of Romans, Corinthians, Thessalonians. Days of Noah, reprobate minds, debased, mockers of God. Demon spirits here on earth. Jesus is drawing nigh. The time is at hand. Repent and be saved. Christ is the answer.
An excellent conversation. Spot on.
It is only spot on if you're a christian though, that is the problem with dialogue like this. you are not going to convince anyone that doesn't already agree with you because this stuff has been said by Christians for as long as I'm alive at the very least. most of the world is not christian, although americans seem to forget that sometimes
@@croozerdog I'm not Christian, but I also think that this conversation is spot on.
@@adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder yikes
The rainbow is not a 'Pride' flag. It is God's covenant with man that he would never again destroy the world by flood.
Fun fact, if there was enough water on earth to flood the earth, then it would always be flooded. Think about it.
The whole thing is rebelliousness. Pride comes before a fall.
Every Business and everyone proclaiming support for 'Pride' will ultimately face disaster. An example is John Lewis, which actually allowed one of their lorries to participate in a London parade a few years ago and is now struggling badly.
As for Google and other large concerns, their end will come one day.
Exactly.
Wickes will fall next...
Jonathan Cahn’s book Return of the Gods makes a case for Pride having many similarities with ancient worship practices of the goddess Ishtar, including colors, Pride Month (Tammuz), and sexuality.
The dice game is horrific!
"As in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall the last days be". Scripture must be fulfilled, but blessed is the God-fearing believer who will not bow to the Baals of the age
Thank you for this very excellent interview. Well done.
Excellent interview! Thank you so much for your wonderful work!
Very balanced & detailed discussion.
how was it a balanced discussion? Surely for balance a dissenting voice is needed no?
Balanced? Two people who agree with one another isn't a balanced discussion. Where's the counter argument?
Very well done! Thank you 🙏🏻
Worship of self is so appropriate for the narcissists in Pride.
100%
Whats really discouraging to me is that many churches either dont or wont talk about these issues. They talk about safe issues Prayer, Study, family etc. But these pastors will not Shepard the Congregation, because Laws are being made now that makes Christianity into a hateful religion. Intolerant and uses an ancient book, that promotes an unloving message. But the Gospel is intolerant. God hates Sin in whatever form. Jesus paid the price for Sin. But dont be fooled, the sinner not the sin will be sent to a real place of torment and suffering, Why? Because God is Holy . Hes justice demands it. Thats why we need Jesus. To Save us from God. I wish Christians would read there Bible and Live.
It's an old religion. it's first "congregation" was exposed at sodom and gommorah, and as with Lot in the days of Lot and even Noah we must be ready to leave without notice. those that stay will forsake and take the mark of the beast and therefore are the apostate of 2 Thessalonians 2.
Keep going, press on and stand firm. For Christ and Covenant.
Bye then
@@thecreativescot6180 farewell
The mark of the beast, is being owned or coerced buy another.
Jesus would be ashamed of you.
Well, at least the Pride religion hasn't demanded that its bishops and religious officials are awarded seats in the British House of Lords.
Oh, wait...
A spot-on analysis and very helpful. And as with all false religions and man-made ideologies, there is no mercy, forgiveness and grace for those who question it or step out of line. Interestingly, I spoke with an older man in Leicester recently, who claimed to be an atheist: he also believed that LGBT had become Britain’s new dominant religion.
A conversation of two people afraid of something they do not understand, backed up with gut feelings and blatant lies = a spot on analysis? How very low that bar of you has to be...
And kudos to you that you found another old person who's clueless about wtf they're talking about... not even anecdotal proof anymore, just nonsense.
@DANIEL Olsen Most rational LGBT believer
Matthew is a gift to our times
It's the Ideology of Narcissism.
And immorality.
And hedonism to the extreme
Hi, I have only listened to this in part. Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has written a most excellent book entitled The Return Of The Gods. The Bible is very clear, telling us how things will play out in end times. When people discuss pride, homosexuality, gender topics, they seem to ignore the spiritual side. I would recommend reading Jonathan's book to gain understanding. 8:32
He also has videos on You Tube for those of us whose eyesight makes reading difficult.
Excellent conversation! Our church in El Salvador probably has a larger percentage of people of other ethnic groups than any in the country, even though most of us are quite conservative. A person who is gay or even a person who has had a sex change would not be singled out or ostracized. One of our elders is/was from Uganda, a former child soldier, married to a woman from Canada. He has preached and we have great respect for him and his wife. One of our worship team last year was from Ghana. His wife, from Trinidad and Tobago, served in Sunday School as Christ’s handmaiden and was a witness to her husband’s devotion to God. Their children were models of good behavior, even during covid, except for the adorable toddler, of course. The problem is the indoctrination of our children and youth, I think. My marriage is not God’s best but most in our church espouse values centered around family and faith more than almost anything else. Leaders are held to a very high standard I don’t meet, either, but I know of only one man who was eventually asked not to return. He had been harassing the teenage daughter of one of the elders on line. Even then, the pastor was discreet and few people knew what had happened. (Matthew 18:15)
A hopeful message for all when we trap ourselves into thinking the SELF is god: "...we were trapped by our sin and the desires of our heart are our problem because they've been spoiled by our rebellion against God. But Christ has come to free us from these things we naturally want to do and to transform us by His Spirit and to forgive us through the blood of His Son so that we can become what God wants us to be." Thanks. Spot-on!
It's not because it's becoming impossible to refuse the ideology of LGBT that it's automatically a religion. The right to not be killed is I think accepted by everyone in Europe and asking for murder is illegal. It's not religion even though. Refusing the right to be homosexual is becoming the same. The reason there is such a massive display every where is because the shift was so sudden. Only seventy years ago, Alan Turing (acknowledged as war hero by the queen, but first and foremost a pioneer of computational science) was condemned to chemical castration (as an chosen alternative to prison) because of his homosexuality. The fact that such an act would now be almost consensually disapproved, only 70 years later, and that homosexual people are regularly killed by law in other contries in the world is the reason so many corporation regularly show support (and the fact that around 5% of the world population is homosexual, although it is extremely hard to estimate globally, for obvious reasons). That doesn't mean it's becoming a religion.
I've really grown to hate the world that I am living in.
"Do not love the world or anything in the world".
I used to be merely annoyed by the self indulgence associated with this “deadly sin” of pride month. But I have felt more threatened by it in recent years. We were encouraged to be simply “tolerant” of LGBT in the past. However, this is NOT a movement of tolerance. Far from it. The corporate culture and remarkable public/private funding/promotion is both evangelical and vitriolic. Therefore, as with any religion bent on doing others harm must be actively denounced and resisted. Now, we have promising boycotts underway that offer an Avenue of public resistance. Annheuser Busch and Target are actively challenging mainstream values. Now, the L.A. Dodgers are unapologetically defaming Christianity with their blasphemous support of the Sisters of Self Indulgence. We are at a point where, if we do not come together as believers/sympathizers of all faiths, we should come to expect wholesale destruction of society.
The usual process goes like this:
1) Tolerance
2) Acceptance
3) Celebration
4) Participation
We are now at level #4.
This is a top - down political movement that pretends to be a pseudo-religion (more like a death cult). It isn't a new movement created by the masses. It has been created, over many decades now, by wealthy elite men with an evil agenda based on s3×. These men want to pervert us all and change us into cyborgs because they want to usher in their vision of utopia. Transgenderism is simply the first stage of their plan and the final goal is transhumanism. I have to constantly go back and check my comments after I post them to make sure it they are still there because youtube ALWAYS deletes them when I talk about this topic. I usually copy & paste it elsewhere and return to see if the comment has gone. Then I re-write it by scrambling the words.
@@Chicharrera. Bingo!
It is a deeply cynical use rainbow symbols as a Trojan horse to bring about neo Marxist communism. It's a cult.
Good thing that a huge chunk of Christians simply accepts their fellow human beings for what & whomever they are. If it's not your movement then it's not about you, just let it go...
"if we do not come together as believers/sympathizers of all faiths,"
@@shoelacedonkey no, it’s about probing the general principle of “tolerance” and understanding where “aggression” is inserted instead. The LA Dodgers betrayal of tolerance gives way to this aggression. The simplest of mental exercises reveals the truth. If any other religious group, any other minority group, any other ethnic or racial group, was being mocked so openly it would not tolerated. But they will make an exception for Christian intolerance? How and why? As for Christian “intolerance” of the past and present….everyone should be free to speak out for and against all evils. Is that what the LA Dodgers are doing? There is a time, place, and manner for all things. If this is not true for businesses, and consumers are not free to hold them accountable, then how are we to hold others accountable for their aggressions? Even the political Left would agree with that. I will boycott these businesses because it it clear to me that they are not principally committed to the public good in any way.
Nothing new under the sun. Sodom and Gomorrah anyone? How did that turn out?
"Pride is the right word for it." Amen.
There are principalities behind the gay agenda, e.g. Ishtar, Mollok, Baal. Please read Johnathan Cahn's book the Return of the Gods.
First do no harm, HARM its mutilation of a God given body, God protect our children
All the sponsors are into this stuff. Can't avoid it! Why? Many other causes are more worthy, eg cancer awareness. But don't get this attention.
I and many will not submit.
Wow, fantastic talk!!!! I'm happy with Jesus in my corner :)
It's from the pits of hell.. The devil is out there seeking whom he can devour.. The church will have a lot of deliverance to do..
All part of a global agenda as an attempt to remove the teachings of the Bible on sin and salvation. For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish; but unto us who are saved, it is the power of God. (1Cor1 v18). As many know, 'Pride before a fall' and the LGBT movement will fall into ruin, as believers resist/refute this cancer. When you're proud of you sin, unrepentent and show no regard for the Word of God, then there's only judgement (starting with the Church)! Such an abomination!
There is nothing surprising about the popularity of the pride flag.
Do ye realise how long these people suffered being classified as "Intrinsically evil"?
This is merely an expression of freedom as Jesus would have it..If some of ye guys were around when slaves were freed
This is a good analysis by Matthew, and it is so obvious that the Bible gives us the answers. The problem of 'self' is nothing new, but when it gets out of the bottle as it has in our days, we are reminded that, "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes." (Judges 21:25) and so we enter a period of social chaos in which there is much damage done. Remember Gibeah. 1 John 2:15 to 17 encourages us to overcome, and "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." Yet, we have good news. Jesus saves sinners. I will pass the link to others. Thank you Matthew...
Thank you so much for speaking plainly about evil.
You may mean well but your take on this is giving them more ideas.
Well done for inspiring them on such a platform
Giving who more ideas? The LGBTQ has no idea
@@mattpowell6291 You actually made my day 😂😂😂😂
@@magdalenegoodwill5878 That was a very, very low bar then.
maybe invite an LGBT person instead of another straight christian if you want to actually learn about the LGBT or something idk
According to Johnathan Cahn it is just paganism returning from the bible…..
Such a great analysis of the so called pride movement.
So, if I was to accept that it has become a 'religion' (which I do not, but for the sake of philosophical charity, I will allow it), how would this be problematic for a christian organisation to witness? Emancipation movements can find themselves lost in a media and corporate hoopla; and if one is involved (as I am, as a trans woman) in the movement itself, one may find themselves and their colleagues having great reservations as to whether that saturation is counterproductive. Do not imagine the queer community does not have it's own concerns about the hype that surrounds us; and how our core concerns (health access, public violence, employment inequities, etc) get lost in a tsunami of corporate PR. A religion? If only it was; because church has often effectively challenged state on it's lack of care, because of the defference still afforded the church. I came to this page as a result of admiring Atkinson's speech about free speech on your channel; so I can see the intent here is to have an open discursive forum. I strongly disagree with much of what the Reverend has to say but I have no ill feeling here; just wished to present a counterpoint.
pride comes before a fall there aint nothing to be proud about sinn satan sure is having a field day right now but jesus is a coming back thats all we need now
There is nothing new in new religions ..since Satan enthroned himself on earth and demanded worship ,lesser beings have followed suit...enrobed in ideologies and opposed to the Catholic church ,the bride of Christ,they have recruited many
I was stunned to see this video. As of late I have been contemplating these issues. And I was hesitant because the “proud community” seemed very polarizing and militant. I was cautious.
After watching this video, however, it seems very clear that intelligent, open-minded people working against the religious right have good reason to be defensive.
These two men are completely captured by organized religion and are beyond hearing any real discussion of the issues. They are both terrified of the possibility that young people might hear any alternative to the religiosity these men are pushing. Both of these men admit that they are haunted by impulses to do things that God forbids. They are projecting their own guilt and anger onto others, (and making money while doing so).
I hope some of the more clear-headed watchers will reject this kind of heavy-handed manipulation and look elsewhere for information. Our children are facing difficult times. We should support them. We should not restrict our children from hearing alternative viewpoints. They deserve that level of trust.
This listens more like an islamic extremist sermon than a Christian chatting to a christian. Very eye opening.
Love it when Christians start talking about ideology with furrowed brows. "Not just a symbol, but there's an ideology behind it as well" said without any irony. The LGBT community were murdered by Christians throughout history, because they believe that "God said its ok". LGBT people have died for the right to be treated with the same rights and humanity as anyone else and pride is a symbol now not just of the winning of that freedom, but a symbol of the secular moral philosophy that every human being has equal rights. I wonder if these two speakers understand the irony of sitting and equating the pride movement to religion, on a channel which openly promotes religion. It would be like me thanking god that people like this channel don't hold the reigns of power any more. Stay in your churches.
"doesnt talk about god... some of THEM do ..." Mask slipped there for a second.
Religion: "the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods." - Simply not. Poor title.
This "dogma" hasn't happened in a vacuum as is inferred here. This conversation ignores the years of discrimination, hate and harassment of gay and lesbian's over decades. The response by gay and lesbian and transgender people is a response to that. This conversation ignores all of that and is insubstantial because of that
There is no hate like Christian love...
Because this is objectively worse then "Christian love" in every aspect.
The difference between religion and pride LGBT is that religion divides and LGBT brings everyone together by loving and accepting everyone as they are, what a lovely time we are in.
LGBTQ+ groups regular attack people, church groups, Christians, those who are not lefty sheep. Look how trans activists have regularly attacked women who stand up for their rights against men who pretend to be women.
Well said.
Until it leads you to eternal torment for mocking the creator of the universe 😢
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You are kidding me. The LGBTQ persecute their own if they don't bow down to their ideology. I can feel the love now 🤦♂️ stay away from kids
@@rosebetime1029 Nah... God likes me just as much as he likes you. No hell nor damnnation for me 😊🌈
I am no Christian, nor do I follow any religion, even though I still believe in god. But I must say THANKS for the great work of this channel! In the recent years of society insanity, I have seen more and more examples of only religious people standing up for morals and truth, while the rest sheepishly noddes along with the mainstream propaganda.
This is called 'Engagement in trivilities', they will involve you in trivial illogical matters so that you don't question them in important ones. Tommorrow they will have cat pride, ant pride and piles pride.
No, it did not capture imagination - it is sheer coercion, mandatory "liking and support". It is propaganda to seep into everybody's mind, into everybody's everyday life. That it is grassroots demand is a lie. Most of the people are sick and tired of this compulsory celebration.
You're describing Christianity, right? The religion that's been terrorizing the world for decades, centuries even... based on a fairytale from a book that's been rewritten countless times. Sick and tired indeed.
I made the same comment on another vid. I have no issues with LGB pride events etc. I do have issues with the rest of the letters that have hijacked those three letters to advance their own agenda. LGB is all about attraction, L's are physically attracted to women, G's are physically attracted to men, and B's are physically attracted to both sexes. The rest of those letters have absolutely nothing to do with attraction, instead these letters are all about how these people see themselves. We really need to start seeing the difference between these two groups of people instead of painting them both with as the same brush.
Pride is very divisive and discriminatory, I now feel my freedom to speak and to choose is being threatened.
It's a Trojan horse designed to silence you, and it's working
It really is not discriminatory nor divisive though. It's just a group of people who are how they are and proud of it. You can be a proud Christian. You can be a proud father. A proud Arsenal supporter for all I care... the discrimination begins with people not understanding or wanting to understand whatever said group is proud about and thinking it's about them. It is not.
Stephen... it is not about you. Sorry.
@@shoelacedonkey why do non participants in these beliefs need to understand? You do what you do, so long as it does not harm or interfere with other people doing what they want to do.
But it is interfering in other people's lives.
And if it is about inclusivity, where is the 'H' in the alphabet title?
@@Thunderbloke2 The 'H' are more than welcome to join in, and they do very much so. The difference is that the 'H' are so much overly represented in every day life, and for centuries as well, that they do not really need their own pride movement anymore, they're established already. Again, it is not about you, it is about the people who have been repressed for centuries and, luckily through freedom of thought and speech, can finaly be themselves and are proud of it.
"But it is interfering in other people's lives." That's a moot point. It's as interfering with other peoples lives as heterosexuality, Christianity or any religion is in ours... perhaps a lot less even. It's always been there, the people have always been there... we just got the freedom to speak out about it more than before so it may seem new to you. You do not need to understand per se but if you're speaking out against anything negatively it would help to understand where it's coming from, either way you can expect a reaction.
Thank you Christian Institute for this.
Is there some sort of petition that we who aren't great at writing letters can sign to object to the dice game you mentioned and to protect children from being exposed to that kind of filth?
... if only there was a petition to protect the rest of the world from stupidity.
How has this collective (LGBTIQ+++?) movement gained so much traction and influence in the world? (With a whole lot of assistance from Satan) 😏
What I find incredibly sad is that the original rainbow was a Covenant between HOLY GOD and man. Using something good and using it for evil. 😢😢😢
Research anti Christ, expressly uses Christian values and Synology in an inverted way. If it was just evil that would be one thing, but no this is almost literally the anti Christ we are dealing with, and I'm not particularly religious.
There's nothing to be proud of.
That's because you are born a sinner...
I for one am happy to have found some semblance of self acceptance. Proud of it.
@@shoelacedonkey You are a sinner also. Will you change your ways?
We've been given authority to bind the devil's work and loose Jesus Kingdom on earth..
Interesting talk. It seems to me that the ecology is quite similar type of movement: rituals, salvation, punishment, saints etc...
As it's a religion. Why can't it be criticised as a religion? Pride is full of assumptions about society beyond any objective criticism. Very individualistic.
What god do they worship?
"Pride is full of assumptions about society beyond any objective criticism." Don't mistake the LGBTQ movement for your own archaic rhetoric. Pride is nothing more than people who accepted who they are and are proud about it. It has nothing to do with you, it has no diety, no assumptions about society and it is in fact trying to make the world less individualistic by showing who and what they love.
@@CalebScott1991 Buddhism doesn't worship any god/gods either and its still a religion isn't it.
@@valkerionrides9879 No, it is not. Mainly because it does not worship a deity... it's more a “way of life” or a “spiritual tradition.”. But because it's such a well known and followed movement it's often called a religion.
@@valkerionrides9879 Religion : the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
Who would be the God of LGBTQ I wonder...
that’s really eye opening, never thought that it has become more than just a kind of parade
It is not the desire of the body. It is the true soul inside that that LGBTQ.
I think the best way to understand the present culture is to look back at the past.
The example you gave of Alan Turing is a great one. Alan Turing was a fantastic man, who had so much to offer the world.... but he was born with homosexual desires. In the 1940/1950s homosexuals faced extreme persecution, so extreme that it often ended up in death. As was the unfortunate case of Alan Turing.
Homosexual people have been persecuted for 1000s of years, and in the present day. There are still countries in the modern world that punish homosexuality by DEATH.
This is extreme persecution, that only in the last 20 years has started to fade in the western world. This is why the LGBT movement is massive, because these likeminded people (homosexuals) faced millennia of unjust persecution and they are finally able to express themselves, so they are. Now I don't really care about what your religious perspective is, I am a believer in freedom of speech and thought and you are justified to think and belive whatever you desire, but what you need to understand is that for many people homosexuality is not a choice, it is a part of that persons identity. We should never ever suppress people, for being the person they were born to be.
I agree with you on many points, the issues surrounding children are very concerning, but from a purely adult perspective I think the most fair and rational thing to do, is to just let people be happy, if that happiness is not at the detriment of others. I have no problem with people being gay, I don't see why that should be the case in anyway.
The problem with religion, is you do not live in the rational world. Your perspective is different from reality. As I said, you have the right to practice your religion, but I don't think anyone thinking out side the bounds of reality should be able to argue against things that are REAL problems. Just makes you seem foolish to most modern rational people.
This is well put, and I thank you for that. I am also an advocate of free speech, I believe everyone should be able to believe what they want. But that is not going to deter me from the debate.
I am gay myself. It is not something I chose. I do not feel indoctrinated. I feel happy that I have a loving family and friends who accept me for who I am. I also appreciate that this means I am lucky, because it is still a crime in many countries and faiths, and something people are murdered over.
If we are all made in the likeness and image of God, and God loves us all equally, how can this not be a blatant violation of everything Christianity stands for?
I agree there are issues surrounding the implementation of some laws and concepts, but the issue is not pride. I am a Christian (unless you believe my homosexuality prevents me from being), and I believe instead of condemning the concept of pride, it would be far more just and truly Christian to understand the real issue, embrace the ever-growing support, and advocate for change where it really matters.
@@harrybrock5529 Thank you, don't let these people mock you or make you feel ashamed to be gay. You have every right to love whoever you want, and the majority of the people in the UK support you. I agree, the core of Christianity is loving one another and living a pure and honest life, being gay doesn't affect that. Keep being you :)
@@harrybrock5529 "I am a Christian (unless you believe my homosexuality prevents me from being)", if you are a professing Christian then there should be no one to tell you otherwise. That's between you and your God.
Besides that I completely agree with Telos' last comment. It's great that you have a supporting enviroment. Be proud :D
Nobody was persecuted for being a homosexual.
It were specific sexual acts that were outlawed and actually you had to be quite pushy with this. Unless somebody tried to frame you with this.
@@harrybrock5529 I agree with much of what you say here but know the pendulum has been pushed too far to the left. It will come back and swing much too far in the other direction. The prejudice will be much worse then. I don’t choose this to happen but, as I have studied and taught history, I have seen it happen. There is so much discrimination where I live: racial, ethnic, sexual orientation, social, etc. It is a wonderful place to live but open borders have flooded the USA with many people who have not been educated to have a sincere and deep appreciation of other cultures, other ethnic groups, the rights of all human beings, the need to be good stewards of God’s creation, etc. They can probably fake it better than those of us who hope for progress but protection for our children.
God is love. Physical love is not god. When God is left out of the equation selflife becomes the religion.
You're assuming that people can't live without religion. With no argument at all to say why one wouldn't be able to...
@@shoelacedonkey She said 'God', not religion.
You only have to read through the comments section here to realise why Pride is so important.
If everyone conducted temselves like these presenters, I'm sure we could have a respectful and diverse conversation about LGBTQ+ and Pride in our society
On the other hand, this comment section is full of references to people going to hell and destruction, simply because of their sexuality. Many of these comments are also peppered with examples of scripture. I'd say that the world is just waking up to how oppressed people have been for centuries...and religious doctrine has been right at the heart of supposed morality throughout it all.
You have only to read your comment to see the shameless misrepresentation you lot do. Shameful. What gaslighters you are.
Pride is not good. It's selfish. It doesn't care about anyone else and it pushes their ideologies on the vulnerable particularly women and children. It's a cult
This is spiritual warfare. God is not mocked.
Have you ever seen how a woman has to be a slave to her husband to be considered a good wife to a Buddhist? Compare the treatment of wives in Ephesians 5 with the treatment of women in any other world religion of such power today. A woman is to respect her husband but the husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the Church and gave His life for us all: all genders, all ethnic groups (I believe we are of one race.), all who will simply accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and repent of our sins. We are of one blood, created in the image (spiritual rather than physical) of God, in my opinion. Am I wrong?
Its a very interesting philosophical discussion but I could not help to chuckle when they moved on from stating that we cannot say something that we know not to be true over to god manifesting himself through Jesus and conversation about angles and demons ect. ect.
Surely discussing sexual experimentation discussed is schools is illegal sexual harassment?
It should be but they go into schools and indoctrinate kids into trans. They start off by saying 'Gender is spectrum' and put barbie at one end and GI Joe at the other and then they ask kids where they fit on the spectrum. They indoctrinate kids into gay stuff too.
Thank you for the enlightenment of this interview
I'm not getting this.
There was a time, during the Roman Empire, when being Christian was considered immoral because Christians refused to pay taxes and didn't want to join the army. Because, you know, the Golden Rule of Jesus, which probably condenses everything the Gospel can teach in just one phrase. And also they, the early Christians, had rituals, dogmas, calendar and even a language... so what?
And now these so called "Christians" now thinking of doing the same things that Romans did to them for centuries?
Thank God not every Christian has the same opinions as these two individuals, actually the majority has accepted the fact that it is way more damaging for everybody as a society not to recognize equal rights to everybody regardless of sexual orientation, which in any case should be part of the constitution.
So what? I don't think this resistance to change is any way related with religious beliefs. This is just mere resistance to change.
Probably this same people about 30 years ago were saying the same things about men and women of african descent because you know, things change and they don't want it to be.
Change is difficult, change makes you challenge your inner self. But God doesn't want you to refuse change.
let's recall Ephesians 4:22-24 :
"You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."
I /AM/ bisexual. you can not like it, you can insult me, you can discuss and try to convince me. but you can not stop me, I am as free as you. the fact that i have to be afraid to walk hand in hand with another guy makes me angry and it made me consider myself LGBTQ-.. and the letters I forgot, I call it gay, to feel more safe and understood.
It is a cause against violence and oppression, christian views are fine, but some people take it too far and actively fight against my existence.
that being said, rainbow capitalism is gay (heh). they use the rainbow flag to seem accepting simply to draw more customers, they do not give one heck about us gays. Being gay is not a religion, it's how we were born. we use pride to show that we're not afraid against violence. most of us aren't the loud twitter users and I think most of us don't give a heck about banks or boris hecking johnson.
you saying that our idea of self is not god and therefore there are some pretty serious destructive effects is your religious point of view, change in religion and cultures happen, discuss it all you want but be respectful and mindful that other people have different views and are entitled to the same freedoms as you and anyone else.
Nobody cares. Yawn... Do what you want just stop being so melodramatic and attention seeking.
I am not Christian but you are making so much sense. I love new Christianity because it is becoming more spiritual. All these crazy evil situations in the world do put all spiritual and commence sense thinking together. It is a blessing. Amen to all spiritual people because there is only once source and it is the truth.
What a nice thing to say. God bless. Respect is important
@@mattpowell6291 Respect is only important when you think it is, right Matt?
@@shoelacedonkey Respect is important in general. Having respect doesn't mean I have to agree with every point someone else makes. That's the reason why we have free speech. Do you know what free speech is?
@@mattpowell6291 Sure I do. Have you seen Rowan Atkinsons speech about it on this very channel? It's very misplaced here but still inspiring...
@@shoelacedonkey Absolutely I agree he's inspirational. Free speech is an important part of society which has been under threat from both the left and the right.
THE HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS AND DESPERATELY WICKED WHO CAN KNOW IT!
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DEMONIC
Oh because religions are bad?
It's a new religion but not a popular one more like a cult
You're a bit dense with definitions aren't you, Matt.
Cult : a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
You try and see to what this definition fits better...
@@shoelacedonkey I said MORE LIKE a cult 🤦♂️ I didn't say it was a cult. Look that up in the dictionary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mattpowell6291I ask again, to what does this definition fit better... your Christianity or the LGBTQ movement? You're great with one liners that say & prove nothing but I've yet to see you answer a single question in this entire comment section. Your emojis really do not make your 'argument' any stronger either.
@@shoelacedonkey It doesn't fit Christianity if you have ANY clue what a cult is. The LGBTQ is more like a political party then a cult. A fascist political party.
It is a religion, and the US and UK must recognize this. The US would therefore not be able to recognize it.
Pride month, for me, is a call to arms. I started praying and fasting the week before June 1 as I’m reminded in Matthew 17 that Jesus told his disciples that “some come out only by prayer and fasting“. He was referring to the disciples’ inability to cast out a demon. In my book, this is demonic and calls Christians to at least pray against evil forces. Those caught up in all of this are precious people loved by our Savior and redeemed by him. Let us help loose the bonds of these dear people!
You're an insane person.
i love how he presents his argument in a almost totally unbiased POV while still being a christian
It’s almost like not every Christian is a bigot. Crazy right?
Jesus would believe in this religion :)
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Seperate the political movement from the actual people, catagorising people into your cults, churches or movements is a sure way to making you hate a thing.