Mars Samples By 2031 // Starship Launch // Oumuamua NOT Interstellar?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- China is planning a Mars Sample Return Mission. James Webb tracks water moving towards planets. The Hubble Tension has gotten even more tense.
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00:00 Intro
00:12 China's Mars Sample Return Mission
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02:36 Active Oort Cloud
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04:40 Amateur supernova discovery
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06:54 Vote results
07:29 JWST sees water transfer
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09:13 Lunar swirls
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10:42 Regolith landing problem
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12:48 Hubble Tensions gets worse
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14:24 Starship Launch
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15:03 More on interstellar objects
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Producer: Anton Pozdnyakov
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Dude, you're a space content machine
I know. Cranking out content even while traveling!
I agree :)
No proof anyone goes to space... so...
@@CyberBrySkyNet plenty of evidence you just chose to ignore/discredit it
The story of PA 30 parallels so many of the discoveries made in Earth science and biology, where people go out & collect samples & photos/plates, file them away in various natural history museums, and then a hundred years later someone FINALLY gets around to examining them in detail, only to find something we never knew existed.
This is just another classic example of why record keeping and archive maintenance & data retrieval is SO important, in every scientific field.
Blown away by the quality of your round up, Fraser. Congratulations to you and your team.
Props to the cameraman in space filming the galaxies.
I don't care who is gonna win, i just want global collaboration for an achievement, doesn't it sound cooler?
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Hear hear! 👍
Agreed. Really wish we could.
Getting the samples is more important at this point.
China is probably lying.
I think Euclid in time is going to throw some more mystery into the hubble tension. Those initial images had a lot of red shift galaxies but also a lot of blue shift.
What blue shift galaxies?
Basic Newtonian mechanics could eject material from the Solar system? Indubitably! That being said, I am unconvinced that Oumuamua is anything other than interstellar. Thank you, Frasier, for this awesome "mysteries" stream.
It is calming and comforting to know Fraser is watching the skies, so we don't have to. Even if we did, few of us know what the hell is going on up there. So I, for one, am going to sit back on my office chair in Toronto and let him lay out the facts and hypotheses. Hats off to Fraser!
apparently Fraser is really excited about the traveling first i thought my player was at 1.5x speed XD hope you're visiting some beautiful place, enjoy!
Thanks for all the news, Fraser! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
what's happening in Canada? Weather phenomenon?
@@galaxia4709 I'm not Canadian, I don't care.
Hey Fraser, thanks as always for such great content. In regard to the Lunar swirls, how big are they? Could they be a good place to have a lunar base due to decreased radiation?
Excellent, first class information fraser.
Imagine getting samples from other planets and moons too!
I almost certainly won’t live to see it, but a Venus sample return would be amazing. The logistics and engineering alone would be a sight to behold.
Id like to see a sample from every celestial body in a museum
@@StickCannon EVERY celestial body?… that would be… difficult.
Ummm....don't forget The Andromeda Strain (bestselling book and scary movie). I don't wanna be the one who gasps (inhales sharply) as the sample case is opened for the first time. Might need a sick day afterwards!
@@marktwain368 did you seriously just feel the need to define the word gasp
I want someone to make an interactive map of the CMB that shows us how it really looks from, say, the center of the Earth as you twist around. By moving around your view you can get a completely non-distorted and unbounded view in all directions that makes a lot more sense than the rectangular one we see all the time.
I think someone will make a lot of money when they produce a much better map of the CMB that shows us what it really looks like.
I doubt they would make much money at all, but it would certainly be nice to have.
A quick search turned up a 360 YT video of the CMB. If you have a VR headset to view it, you can have exactly what you're asking for.
If there's anything that will help save the budget for the sample return mission it is the possibility of being beaten to the punch by a rival so go China
I'm sure I saw a postulation once that the Oort cloud maybe stretches half way to the Centauri system and, the edges may interact with the Oort cloud analogue around that system and if so, peturbations may cause objects to cross over from one cloud to the other.
Maybe the Sample Return Mission should get a Patrion account?
Either that or a kickstarter
Would be interesting to know if something is coming from the ort cloud towards us
A 3-body interaction can't explain the observed hyperbolic excesses... unless there were an absurd number of undiscovered massive planets.
Show me your calculations, please.
It would be crazy if Fraser had a video concerning the discovery of vast numbers of interstellar objects-I dub them "rogue planets". Obviously they don't exist any more than the video exists.
I am wondering who got the flowers and if you are in a hotel room with those paintings on the wall. 🙂
The ambition for test flight 2 is only to fly around the world and fall into the ocean but you probably know that.
I hope there won't be problems with regolith storms from landings. It will already cause enough problems other ways. I can't see how it would get into a circularized orbit.
Thanks a lot 👍
Frazer Cain a Space Reporting Agency, I like that😉 It is also accurate!
Thank you 🙏
Question. Are photons destroyed and recreated when they get absorbed by atomic orbitals? Are the new photons actually "new"?
When photons are absorbed by atomic orbitals, they cause an electron to raise to a higher energy level. The atom can then lose energy (drop the electron back down) and release a photon. Since all photons are identical, just differing wavelengths, calling it same or different is a moot point.
Atoms can release or absorb energy only in discrete amounts. That and associated discoveries have shaped physics since the early 1900's. Look up Einstein and the photoelectric effect.
Putting my reply here so I can find out too when someone smarter replies!
You'll have a tough time defining "new" for subatomic particles. While this won't help you answer your question directly, consider the thought experiment of the One Electron Universe. It was noted that the positron is effectively an electron going back in time, so for every normal electron moving forward in time, you'd find a number of positrons going backward in time. Assuming this was true, every single electron in every single atom and interaction, ever, could just be the very same single electron doing everything, moving forward and backward in time nearly countless times. I'm not sure of a similar thought experiment exists for photons, maybe because they don't really have an anti-particle equivalent, but you'll still have a tough time determining which photon was/is which, and how they were created (emitted), moved round, or destroyed (absorbed).
I would say, tho, that based on our day-to-day understanding of what absorbing and emitting means, it would be a new photon. The energy from the photon actually transforms, briefly, into the kinetic and binding energies of the electron (which is also mediated by photons, but lets not add more complications here), and when it emits a new photon, that photon is made up of all the energy that was added to the electron initially. This conversion leads me to believe it's changed forms entirely, and is now a new entity. If you ground down a chair into wood pulp and then somehow reorganized all the dust back into the original chair, in shape and form, would that be the same chair? Some Ship of Theseus vibes going on here.
You might also consider quantum teleportation. If you teleport the quantum state from one particle to another, did you perfectly replicate the particle? And in measuring all the original particle's states that particle is entirely disturbed and is no longer anything like it was, and then you recreate that particle elsewhere, did you just teleport the particle? What if you did that to every particle in your entire body? Are you a new person or the same person?
Lots of similar thought experiments and paradoxes have sprung up related to this question.
Yes they are new photons. There are the quantum creation and annihilation operators (basically changing the state of atoms, or a field, by adding or removing a particle, in this case a photon). When an electron absorbs/emits a photon it changes the EM field around it, adding or removing energy (photon) from or to the EM field.
Thanks
If there becomes a real and contentious issue of large landers with huge thrusters kicking up orbit-achieving regolith, maybe one of or some of the following could be viable mitigation means:
1: before touchdown, a large, suitably-weighted shroud is lowered to the touchdown spot and a column of tank water (maybe the tank is staged for join-up separately from lunar lander launch event) is just ahead of the landing thruster efflux, or
2. A separate, even heavier vehicle carrying a tank of water (suppose only ("only") one ton is sufficient) releases water and perhaps a form of quickrete (or, just a heavier bit of regolith once wetted, but still needs to be contained or recaptured) to sets up initial pads that can be used as lily pads, meaning that they're internationally used, so that vehicles with rovers can strategically use them without every rover mission kicking up regolith.
Alternatively, a vastly slower landing speed assisted with very large chutes, with high-up reverse thrusters might help, but, I imagine the landing weight would be vastly inferior to thruster-slowed lander payload-carrying vehicles.
Alternatively still, semi-mobile landing pads have to be landed in advance at internationally agreed-upon sites to get all the major regolith-kick-up events over with, doing say, 5 per every ten years until better tech and engines/thrusters are around.
Parachutes won't work because the Moon has no real atmosphere. A sky crane could act as a replacement, but you would need to re-orbit it before it crashes in order to avoid roughly the same problem. The Starship high-mount engines should also serve to reduce the problem. Another fix is sending smaller utility landers to build a landing pad before big landers. Also important to consider is that the most troublesome landers (the big ones) are also likely to be associated with longer-term missions that can justify ISRU equipment, which itself should be usable to build and improve landing pads. Finally, for the really long-term missions, mass drivers are likely to be constructed over the longer term, eliminating the problem entirely from such sites.
@@absalomdraconis Thanks 😀!
I love Euclid and it's images. I don't trust it's geometry in all cases but it's imagery can't be beat. ;)
I honestly kind of love that the Hubble tension just keeps getting worse. It's like the universe is making fun of us.
Hey, I have a question for you. If we run the clock backwards toward the beginning of the Universe, it seems we would make a gigantic black hole at the upper possible limit well before all the matter got compressed in that point, especially if it turns out to be an infinite universe. We should be able to run the universe equally backwards as forwards, shouldn't we? What am I missing?
2:45 Correction, Oumuamua is disc shaped.
They should give the amateur discoverer, a professorship now.
Space X will definitely win the who can burn up the most money comp.
I try to stay in a 2 body dynamic cuz that 3rd body is quite a bump up in dynamics 😂
What happend with one of the latest interview about antimatter interstellar spacecraft? It disappeared from the channel
Because the guy was claiming stuff that was in factual.
Wasn’t the NASA/ESA Mars sample return mission cancelled just a few weeks ago?
Dr. David Kipping once suggested using a Planetary gravity field like Jupiter to boost the resolving power of a Radio Wavelength Observatory. Could that also be use in-concert with a small fleet of satellites flying in an Interferometer arrangement? - Or turn it on its head, in order to beam power from say a Moon base to the satellites to power them?
Honestly, anything like Jupiter is probably going to be too "noisy" to be a good choice, and even Jupiter is probably too small to be worth bothering with.
Hello. I recently watched an interview in this channel with a lawyer obsessed with an antimatter space engine. It was fascinating but I can't find it anymore. Can someone help me with a link to the video or the expert's name? Thanks!!
Is it possible to know the month, day, and year (the hardest one) by looking into space? I know month and day would be the easiest ones of the 3, but how about the year? Is there another piece of data(single piece), that could always get the year if we knew this 1 other piece of data?
@@nurk_barry : The month is a rough approximation of how long it takes the Moon to complete an orbital cycle as observed from a single point on the surface of the Earth. Most old calendars had a month equivalent that actually _did_ try to follow the movements of the Moon, (that's what Lunar New Year is about- it follows a _Lunar_ calendar), but it involved a fair amount of work to keep track of things so that the calendar wouldn't drift out of sync (corrective periods were called e.g. Jubilees). Julius Caesar had the job of doing the corrections at the same time that he was campaigning off in Gaul (resulting in the corrections just not happening at all), and when he finally got back he decided to just reinvent the calendar from scratch in conjunction with an Egyptian priest he'd met that had the same job, which resulted in the Julian calendar- it wasn't perfect, but it lasted until around the 1500s without major revision, even then only needed a once or twice a century correction, and that revised form has become the standard world calendar for almost all purposes. The day, similarly, is based on the Earth's rotation rate, while the year is based on Earth's orbital rate.
Tl;dr: the day, month, and year _are_ all based on something. That it isn't e.g. the movements of a galaxy or magnetar doesn't change that.
I never realized that the massive factor of time, was effected by something the size of a particle.@@nurk_barry
For clarity:
The answer is YES, there are millisecond pulsars that we can pinpoint out in space and tell the exact time with accuracy to a few milliseconds or less because they are so regular and so accurate
That is to say you could measure elapsed time if you have a prior data point of the Earth YY:MM:DD + time and then used these Pulsars to measure further elapsed time.
The angle of the sun / earth’s axial tilt will tell you the approx. season, but not the Month/Date/Time
Measuring the month/date is based on Prior Knowledge of earths Date, so the measurement is arbitrary
There’s nothing we could measure that says “it’s June 4th 2027” unless you start with the current date and make observations after that fact.
TL:DR;
Yes, millisecond pulsars are the obvious choice to measure time by making observations
However,
The MM:DD:YY only have meaning because everyone on earth agrees to them, they’re arbitrary labels. astronomical events in space don’t say anything about the month / date / year,
The moon’s 28-day orbit doesn’t tell you the date on Earth, unless you already know it
is the boeing space freighter real? If so are they making any progress on it?
If those UAPs could just give us a lift, i bet the trip wouldn't take thoem THAT long...
Time will probably crunch before then.
Would it be possible to create a gravitational lens using spin gravity?
No, that would require a huge amount of mass density.
The earth has always had water. Nobody had to bring it here
Hi Fraser, looking forward to your cover of the second flight of Starship, and I was wondering; is it tested with its max payload capacity? One would expect that for a more realistic future scenario, but do they? If yes, what do they fill it with?
I’ve heard knowledgable commentators answer this and say it’s probably empty for these test missions to increase the chance of it achieving its objectives. Unless Elon / SpaceX comment we don’t know for sure though.
Thank you Glyn.
Scholz's star bumped oort clouds with us only 70,000 yrs ago. It came within 1 light year, I wonder if Borisoff or Oumuamua can be correlated with that event? I don't know Scholtz's stars Inbound and Outbound trajectory but I would be curious to know if it could have skewed objects thought to be influenced by Planet 9. The two oort clouds must have interacted like lumps of Wax in a Lava lamp and still have lasting imprints. Perhaps JWST could try to map the Scholtz star oort cloud shape? Could Scholtz's star oort cloud's long tail still be pointing in the general direction of some part of the Solar System? Should we expect more visitors from that general direction?
Those are better questions than average.
@@absalomdraconisAgreed
I vaguely recall someone positing that ‘oumuamua had been drifting through interstellar space for billions of years, but I don’t remember nearly enough details to say anything with any confidence.
Also, I’m fairly sure that if we can’t directly detect our own Oort Cloud, we won’t be detecting any other star’s any time soon (with the possible exceptions of some sort of absurdly extreme circumstances)
15:59 Bingo!
What exactly defines a stars' atmosphere? Is there a pressure around its surface like a planet, or is it just a sort of extra hot and radioactive 'vacuum'?
They need to get it back for them to win...
Why can't we get good clear pictures and videos in colour of the moon's surface? Why is it always in black and white?
14:54 Is this a new game?
I think the samples should have been placed in small rockets and launched to orbit individually and, caught by an orbiting return craft.
Every rocket has a bit of "unoptimizable" mass that reduces it's performance (due to a mix of financial, schedule, and construction limitations). The larger the rocket, the smaller the percentage of mass that can't be optimized. As a result, the more rockets for some certain payload, the more rocket mass needs to be provided in order to actually launch that payload.
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I beleive the earth was like titan and moved in during Jupiter's grand tach. The earth may have just been thrown into this position and then thawed like titan would if the same was done to it
Question: Iv heard same small percentage of asteroids where made of metal. Do those asteroids build up frost on them due to the extremely cold temperatures in space? Could that be why we have water?
They would only build up frost if they were surrounded by moisture, which itself would either get blown away too soon to explain anything, or be enough to explain things on it's own.
Let's piss them off and open a Panda Express before they get there!
I'd rather collect in person than rely on drones -- people respond to the unexpected way better than any drone.
Why do two planets of almost equivalent mass like Earth and Venus have such different atmospheric pressures?
A large part is off-gassing. Cool Worlds has a good video on it.
venus has a much thicker, more dense atmosphere. The venusian atmosphere quite literally weighs more...
There was likely a catastrophic collision with a large planet billions of years ago which altered the surface, slowed Venus down (it actually spins in the opposite direction to what it should). This may have caused most of its water to be lost, leading to any plate tectonics stopping and the build up of heat in the mantle. Then this heat melted the surface crust, for a short period, (perhaps 600 million years ago was the last time this happened) and caused outgassing and volcanism and the build up of a hot thick atmosphere of CO2 before the crust solidified again. This may have happened several times over billions of years.
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Let's hope this Starship doesn't have to be euthanized by the RSO.
Do black dwarfs still have gravity Could a future civilization still live on after the heat death if their planet is positioned to orbit one? Also, what would happen if numerous black dwarfs collided into one another?
#question Hi Fraser! Do you know how much a Falcon weighs when it's landing? Also, do you think a human will ever ride one down?
22 tonnes, plus a few more tonnes of propellant and liquid gases.
China does not just have 3x more people than the USA , china has 3x the intelligent people to apply to advancements in all tech areas.
We have samples from mars no?
Ejecta from impact that fell to earth?
Hi Fraser! Is there any theory what would happen to red dwarfs when they die?
They just become white dwarfs and then cool down to the background temperature of the Universe.
FYI it is not hard to actually collect sample back, I mean, it is but it's not.. Heres why.. They are working on a budget.. Which means no 99% of the ideas on the mission gets rejected, no fancy stuffs, all minimal because of tight budget. China have no budget.
Loiter probes!
Is China going for the 'back up' samples left behind by perseverance?
No, they're going to land in a different spot.
After today's massively successful starship launch I think it's time to put 100 volunteers on board the next launch to simulate a moon mission ! If another R.U.D. RAPID ON SCHEDULED DISASSEMBLY occurs The crew will experience a R.U.R.T.C.B.S. RAPID UNSCHEDULED RETURN TO CARBON-BASED STATUS !
The Starship launch was NOT massively successful, it was not even a little successful. The objective of the flight, to orbit Starship most of the way round the Earth for a landing in Hawaii, was not even remotely achieved. In fact Starship blew up twice!
@@olivergrumitt2601nah it was successful. SpaceX said beforehand they would consider it a success if they got past hot staging and it got a fair bit beyond that. It’s a test flight of an in development system.
Fraser, your audio here seems off. Is this a new set up?
Yeah, I'm traveling so I'm using a different mic. It's an echoey room, but I'm improving the sound baffling.
@@frasercainDid you decide to go see the Starship launch? My sister took all our kids down and they are gonna get to watch it launch in person.
@@918BoyzFingers crossed.
Hi Fraiser, I suggest you move the mic closer to your mouth. Doesnt matter if it is in the camera view. It will reduce the room sound in the audio signal.
It's a lav mic, it's as close to my face as possible before it gets blocked by my chin.
Maybe being beaten to some space milestones again will motivate the US to get its space program back in high gear
space race 2: martian boogaloo
Umm, didn't their lunar ship just leave a giant crater?
Mostly guesses
Some right mostly clueless
If The Tension exists its telling us something else....important.
If Starship were configured for passengers at the same density as an airliner, how many passengers could it hold?
How many casualties* could it hold....
It was over 100 wasn’t it if I remember correctly. Though there’ll be a hundred or more launches to test it thoroughly before they put humans on board.
Are really sure that nasa will give us accurate data?
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What’s up with the audio?
Dude is talking about a 7 year space program like we will have mars samples tomorrow
We have clear objectives.
Life is a gift so let’s house it. Everyone born is granted the construction of house and Land in the country of birth. Tradable of course at the granted age and life required objectives completed.
Logistical towns integrating nature and civilization. Safe zone for for communities to escape to in times of disasters.
Everyone has a job to do to keep secure the population and should be plenty busy aiding in getting us off this planet knowing how rare it is and how vulnerable it is in an infinite cosmos.
The fact that we are I. Such an advanced state we are at the frontier to push the unlimited potential of what we can imagine that our lives on earth should be the least of our worries and issues having clear historical examples of what we should be doing and what we shouldn’t.
It unfortunately matters in the real world 😢
The real mystery is why you won't say the words "The Great Attractor"!
How can I join as a patriot on even though I don’t have any money when I poke Frasers face icon I try to find where I would go to become a veterinarian, but I don’t know how.
Question for the question show:
Hi Fraser, you mentioned recently that Hot Jupiters are very unusual insofar as they shouldn't be a thing - so big and so close to their parent stars.
How about the possibility that they are energy managing devices for advanced ET civilizations - i.e. rather than building Dyson spheres to capture all their star's radiation; they instead place a tidally locked 'planet' as close as possible to their home star to collect as much energy as possible and then they use the 'cold' side of the planet to distribute that enormous power to wherever they require, in their own solar system and beyond?
That seems like a stupendously inefficient way of gathering power.
If they can simply “place a tidally locked planet as close as possible to their home star”, they can build a Dyson sphere.
I think hot Jupiters are vastly more likely than a solar panel for aliens!
Cant you help me.
Goodbye
What happened to the audio?
I'm traveling so I don't have my regular studio gear.
Say Superman hit a perfect golfball while standing on the surface of the moon with an indestructible golf club.
Do you think it is physically possible for the golfball to reach orbit with just one swing?
If he hit it in exactly the right way and somehow managed to get it up to orbital velocity without obliterating it, then sure, I don’t see why not. Though it’d have such a low periselene that it probably wouldn’t make it two orbits before something messed it up.
Different Microphone this vid?
Yeah, and an echoey room. Need to set up more blankets.
It was still informative and enjoyable.
Keep up the excellent work. You're one of my favorite science communicators. :)
Why is it necessary to make this a competition? We don't need this to become a sporting event !! Geez...it's science... Let's try to work together please.
Starship will never land on the moon. It's just going to continue to fail. They haven't fixed the Raptor engines burning their throats out and spewing burning copper out of the nozzle... It's going to be another epic explosion!
ROFL at you not understanding how prototyping works and thinking it wasn't supposed to explode. What would the largest and most successful rocket company in the world know about rocket building though?
I know just like they will never be able to land a rocket booster. Let alone land one on a drone ship in the middle of the ocean. Nor will the ever be able to become the largest launch provider by far accounting for over 80% of all payload to orbit.
Boom boom
And lunar exploration dies for another 50 years
Aaaaaannnd how about that. I was right. Was another epic explosion... Twice 😂
@@demcomp It was actually a successful launch, separation and 2nd stage suborbital burn. The Raptor engines performed very well. With any prototype failure is likely and is part of the design plan.
Nice using CE .. LOL
Even if some of the objects came from the Ort Cloud they are interstellar objects now on their way out.
Different Mic?
Different place. Fraser is traveling.
@@ReinReads I should have noticed the background...
Nasa
Oumuamuam was NOT cigar shaped. .. It was pancake shaped to 90% certainty. .. From the data.
Actually, it was phallic shaped... As they say, the biggest wins.. and that one was a planet killer. 🤣
Did it have maple syrup?
That is certainly not the consensus from the studies I’ve read including from NASA. Please provide your sources.
That's new to me, thanks. So it looks like the Millennium Falcon...
@@ReinReads Two new papers, although I don't know how accurate they are:
From "1I/‘Oumuamua as an N2 Ice Fragment of an exo-Pluto Surface: I. Size and Compositional Constraints":
We find that ‘Oumuamua was small, with dimensions 45 m × 44 m × 7.5 m at the time of observation at 1.42 au from the Sun, with a high albedo of 0.64. This albedo is consistent with the N2 surfaces of bodies like Pluto and Triton. We estimate ‘Oumuamua was ejected about 0.4-0.5 Gyr ago from a young stellar system, possibly in the Perseus arm.
Is space in the solar system different from interstellar space? I don't know! But could Voriger 1 do an experiment? Seems a waste since we have a super cool space probe out there that should have died years ago. I mean, really, can't we get a frigin experiment out there... if it's possible? =]. Have a nice day.
I don't care who gets the samples. Space should be the one thing that brings all of us together but China in space is like giving a 5-year-old a loaded gun. China has repeatedly ignored safety standards on all topics for the last 40 years.
So far we have two Villages burning to the ground, a uncontrolled re-entry of a station and a explosion on the surface of the Moon, the most recent dispersal of debris around the Earth. That one put several space vehicles at risk. Both man and satellite. Then there's those metal spheres crashing into Vietnam. They sort of look like ballast tanks or something, I don't know if that was ever confirmed but they were pointing to China as well.
I want to see everybody out in space but China's not ready. They are more interested in Saving Face than actual science research. Look at the construction projects in China, how many of them built horribly with the results of lost in life. A tremendous amount of people die in China on a regular basis because of shoddy workmanship, subpar materials and the complete ignorance of any safety standards.
NASA's biggest problem is over-engineering
CORRUPTION , hundred dollars screw driver WTF
CHINA WELL NOT SHARE MARS SAMPLES
Whatever and whomever moves the human race ahead im fine with it!