One problem however with specializing the school system, which I have noticed is that most teenagers simply don’t know what they want to do. I’m currently in high school and among the people which I talk to, barely any of them have any detailed idea of what career they would like to pursue in the future. Often they might say stuff like ”I want to work with something that has do do with computers” or ”I want to work with something creative” but there are only a few handful of people that has actually got a clear idea of what they aspire to do. Thus specialising the education can be bad in that sense, especially if the students just follow their parents advice and end up with a career they never wanted. I hope we can find a path of balance in terms of this, but I really doubt a highly specialised school system is going to be helpful for most people.
There is some validity to this. It might even be bad for a majority of students if they were ripped out of their current bad education context and expected to pick a direction for the rest of their life relatively quickly. But that isn't how personalized and well designed education would be for the vast majority of it's students. I loved history through every year of elementary school. I was blessed with actual good teachers and resources and curriculum during those years. I still remember a lot of what I learned then. When I was in middle school and high school in the 80s I was subjected to a lot of growing idealogical crap and revisionist history agenda and just bad teachers, some weren't very smart and some simply didn't teach at all and every single one of them seemed to be clearly lacking wisdom. I rediscovered my love of history quickly in a small Christian college with small class sizes and excellent intelligent teachers who cared tremendously. To this day I'd never regret any amount of specialized research or education into history regardless of not becoming a historian or anything related. In my adult life I discovered a love of anatomy and physiology classes. And that's ok to love to learn as an adult and to change your life. It's truly a terrible wrong that we have a system that actively, structurally beats the love of learning out of the majority of the students. It's grown so bad that it looks beyond saving to a lot of people who do absolutely have valid reasons for their views. People who love their children and people who care about the future need to be working hard to create new pathways operating very differently than the world of formal "schooling" of my lifetime.
I'm from South Africa and work mostly abroad. I see all the same policies that destroyed my country being implemented and espoused in the West. Dark days ahead.
Re: math - students should also be taught at least the basics of statistics: how they work, how they can be helpful, how they can be manipulated/misrepresented. This ties in with critical thinking skills and particularly when it comes to news media and propaganda.
This was a great conversation. I don't usually get the chance to listen to these all in one sitting, but I always really enjoy them, in bits and pieces all the way through until i finally get to the end, lol. Thanks to all of you for putting these out.
These podcasts are probably the most important productions at present. They essentially bring to the surface all the major issues America is and will be facing. Within this conversation alone, they touched on practically everything one would hear from Elon Musk or Daniel Schmachtenberger when asked the question "what are the biggest problems facing America currently." It seems to me a way to make actual change in this world is to bring to light old ideas from the past that are tuned in just the right ways to face the issues today. They must come from individuals who genuinely care and aren't necessarily at the whim of whatever bureaucratic system employs them. There needs to be, in my opinion, a larger general awareness from the populus as a whole regarding issues that affect them. The founding fathers provided us with a system that, I say not encouraged, but demanded every citizen to be informed on government and issues at the present. However, I am also aware that change doesn't happen automatically when a sufficient quantity of ideas come together; there needs to be a way to unify the best of each idea and there needs to be people who have the necessary incentive to the action. I can only hope that those with the requisite skills- the idea makers and the action takers- can come together regardless of their political ideology, and work together to improve the current system. Nothing creates unity like a common enemy, as history tells us, look no further than the American Revolution itself. There are too many problems to list but perhaps the three biggest are the current world economic structure, the declining birth rate, and the massive mental health crisis. These are the things we need to create unity around and fight with all the vigor we have. I can only hope that we do this sooner rather than later.
I definitely regret not paying enough attention in maths class. Not even due to any practical downside but simply because the a lot of the mechanics of how the world works on a fundimental level require a good understanding of it to grasp.
I have listened to a few of these podcasts so far and it feels like no matter the guest, the conversation always ends up talking about school and education. Which I don't doubt is important and something the hosts are (very) passionate about but it gets repetitive.
I mean their education system is barely making it's students literate. I'd have a hard setting that aside if it was my country. Ironically you'd be a good guest on subjective, given your knowledge of the over competitive and overeducated east asian systems.
@@jimmyjones8676 "barely making its students literate" is just hilariously disconnected from reality. They could absolutely be way better, but schools do much more than that.
@@vautryahh yesss. Leftoids taking away accountability and denying that its happening. Listen literally every single last american school has injected mongo***loid leftoidism IN EVERY SINGLE FAUCET OF ITS EDUCATION. Of course if you are the leftoid you will be denying all that. You always do. You never ever ever take accountability for your actions. Blm mongs, LGBT insanity, uhhh schoolbooks which tell children how to give blowjobs to the tranzez and this and that. The Critical race theory which makes maoists out the children of course esspeccially black children, of course they also gets taught at home that they need to be looking behind their back at all times, because otherwise the white supremasismus will come and lynch his ass on the spot that is The Talk BTW. Totally not hateful at all and another thing that the leftoid will not admit its happening.You know the state of the educational system and the way it is on right now IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CALIFORNJANJA LEFTOID. And the goverment helping them of course. And you cant deny that. Period.
@@vautry Between 10 - 20% of Americans are below a basic level of literacy and most of them write below the level expected of a 6th grader. Unless you're using the "Can parse street signs" standard they're falling short.
One thing I majorly disagree with is the gym class take. I dont know how gym class is different over the ocean in America, but here in Europe its half playing sports and half physical activities to make the kids atleast a little healthier. Instead, this should be expanded to have a gym class every day of the week to combat the obesity pandemic with 3 physical activities a week, 1 sports and 1 class we used to have in Czechia called Military education, which teaches you how to use a gun, how to throw a grenade, how to survive in a war zone, self defense, etc. It would boost military recruitment, boost physical health among the population and make everyone tougher. One thing I agree with however is that specialisation needs to be way stronger. Here in Europe with high schools specialised for a lot of jobs, like factory working, woodworking, programming, etc. and even collaborations with local businesses to teach how work is actually done, which is something I dont think you have in America. But there are subjects that still dont have any high schools but instead are only specialised in college. Good examples of this are physics, history, or literature. Lets say someone wants to study history. You cant go and directly specialise in it, but instead you have to go to an unspecialised high school and then to a university, instead of going directly into a history school for multiple years longer instead of learning subjects like maths, physics, biology, etc. which you wont need in a history setting. Specialised schools need to be more specialised with less subjects a person wont need for the field and there should be more specialised schools in general.
I definitely fall into the neurotic/borderline autistic camp and I did very well in school, but I'll be the first to admit that people like me shouldn't be running everything. Also, it amazes me that I am more functional than a lot of people despite having those shortcomings. That's when I realized how messed up modern society really is. I'm capable of handling some aspects of modern society such as the loneliness better so I can't imagine what it's like for people who are not naturally like that and are stuck in those situations. I am not perfect and have a long way to go but at least I've been able to recognize my shortcomings and slowly improve while honing my strengths, which has largely been self taught or through advice from people close to me.
I love Europe and I love discussions on what we could do about Europe's problems. I hope it can believe in itself again someday. C'mon France, I believe in you.
So from personal experience, the education systems is very harmful to the things people enjoy. Through my highschool career i never got the classes i asked for and that made my young self dislike the school system to the point where i just quit going. If you want children to succeed and have aspiration, the system needs t let the choice be the students. You gentleman are amazing, thank you for the great content and giving a glimmer of hope.
Unfortunately for marketing purposes this was obviously not going to do well Long days of no content to drop someone from BTS that we never heard of But damn actually this was a great interesting episode that I wished lasted longer and maybe got interrupted at its peak like Spider-Man across the Spider verse
I would disagree about Marek's analysis of the classes. I think that the middle class while the most important in democracy is also the most ignored. The rich know how to evade taxes or lobby the politicians to influence the system itself. On the other hand the poor don't have that influence but they have the support of the politicians. Politicians talk all the time about how no one should starve, how we must support the poor etc. But the middle class basically pays everything and doesn't have enough power to influence things as easily as the rich.
To be honest I think you guys need help on the marketing side of things. These podcasts are some of the most interesting content out in UA-cam, you get huge names and they are a highlight of my week, but you get no attention You guys need to work a bit better in self promotion, find people who would be willing to sponsor you, get into circles of people who are interested in the same topics and just do what you can to get the word out.
The idea that respect only accrues from living to 60 in a place and time where few do, is not only immature and foolish, it's ignorant and incorrect. I'm 54 and the idea everyone was just dying off was never true of my generation, my parent's generation, or my grandparent's generation. It's also historically skewed towards an ideology or attitude rather the fact based, in light of the history of the world where various societies had varying levels of higher mortality for many different things such as child birth or infant mortality or loss of children up to certain young-ish ages OR sometimes deaths in young adulthood from a variety of very specific factors for some societies. The concept of respecting parents and elders is a societal need that serves a purpose and is taught in multiple societies but abandoned in this particularly weird society that we are in with relatively stupid justifications to make rebellious thinking seem smart to people who just want to think that way. My generation certainly did a lot of that particular brand of stupidity as did a the generation before mine. Having good examples of your parents being wrong about something is just reality. But it does not equal any of what was apparently concluded here about the topic. Reasonably wise people work through learning from the good and the bad of previous generations who effected them while striving to be the best they can be in their own ever changing context. All of the ideas that followed had merit on their own without the need for the rebelliousness justified argument. Do that. Make good and valid points about the merits or lack thereof of gym classes and overly emphasized and poorly structured stem, and results based analysis of said supposedly well intentioned programs.
17:00 kids shouldn't have access to social media till 10 or 12 imo 24:00 the whole point of learning differentiation, algebra is just a signal to show this kid is smart...i agree it's stupid, I'd prefer those Waldorf schools tbh 55:40 i guess that can count as "democracy", even in autocratic countries, the dictator actually needs a "win" 1:00:00 middle class always seek stability, and now they're being squeezed as some do not have financial acumen for investments, etc... they're risk adverse
Nah, I like him. It’s also good to see another perspective since most people brought onto here are young and also a bit more right leaning. This podcast was about finding common ground after all
He’s saying the same garbage from Dave Rubin 5 years ago. “We need to have a conversation and agree to disagree”. Yeah, except the enemy is insane and destroying society, are religious and can’t be persuaded away from their religious conviction in building an anti human future.
@@MrReedlingagree on more effort to find a Common Ground - too much of an echo chamber at the moment However - you can only go so far left and still find someone willing to discuss in good faith!
Gonna be a keyboard warrior and stand up for my martial art. If you actually train traditional martial arts like you're going to use them (spar, do cardio, lift heavy shit) they are just as good as anything else. When the older gentlemen was training there was a lot of watered down martial arts tho
One problem however with specializing the school system, which I have noticed is that most teenagers simply don’t know what they want to do. I’m currently in high school and among the people which I talk to, barely any of them have any detailed idea of what career they would like to pursue in the future. Often they might say stuff like ”I want to work with something that has do do with computers” or ”I want to work with something creative” but there are only a few handful of people that has actually got a clear idea of what they aspire to do. Thus specialising the education can be bad in that sense, especially if the students just follow their parents advice and end up with a career they never wanted. I hope we can find a path of balance in terms of this, but I really doubt a highly specialised school system is going to be helpful for most people.
There is some validity to this. It might even be bad for a majority of students if they were ripped out of their current bad education context and expected to pick a direction for the rest of their life relatively quickly. But that isn't how personalized and well designed education would be for the vast majority of it's students.
I loved history through every year of elementary school. I was blessed with actual good teachers and resources and curriculum during those years. I still remember a lot of what I learned then. When I was in middle school and high school in the 80s I was subjected to a lot of growing idealogical crap and revisionist history agenda and just bad teachers, some weren't very smart and some simply didn't teach at all and every single one of them seemed to be clearly lacking wisdom. I rediscovered my love of history quickly in a small Christian college with small class sizes and excellent intelligent teachers who cared tremendously. To this day I'd never regret any amount of specialized research or education into history regardless of not becoming a historian or anything related. In my adult life I discovered a love of anatomy and physiology classes. And that's ok to love to learn as an adult and to change your life. It's truly a terrible wrong that we have a system that actively, structurally beats the love of learning out of the majority of the students. It's grown so bad that it looks beyond saving to a lot of people who do absolutely have valid reasons for their views. People who love their children and people who care about the future need to be working hard to create new pathways operating very differently than the world of formal "schooling" of my lifetime.
I'd love a discussion with Kraut about Europe more than anything
Where is he these days?
@@TheBottlenose33 he makes vids and keeps to himself.
I'm from South Africa and work mostly abroad. I see all the same policies that destroyed my country being implemented and espoused in the West. Dark days ahead.
go to SE Asia👍
@@yux.tn.3641 I live there bro
Only fools think race is skin deep.
@@dewetmaartens359me too
I mean living in Thailand
Re: math - students should also be taught at least the basics of statistics: how they work, how they can be helpful, how they can be manipulated/misrepresented. This ties in with critical thinking skills and particularly when it comes to news media and propaganda.
The most profound realization I gleaned from my university experience was the surprisingly scant value it contributed to my learning journey.
This was a great conversation. I don't usually get the chance to listen to these all in one sitting, but I always really enjoy them, in bits and pieces all the way through until i finally get to the end, lol. Thanks to all of you for putting these out.
These podcasts are probably the most important productions at present. They essentially bring to the surface all the major issues America is and will be facing. Within this conversation alone, they touched on practically everything one would hear from Elon Musk or Daniel Schmachtenberger when asked the question "what are the biggest problems facing America currently." It seems to me a way to make actual change in this world is to bring to light old ideas from the past that are tuned in just the right ways to face the issues today. They must come from individuals who genuinely care and aren't necessarily at the whim of whatever bureaucratic system employs them. There needs to be, in my opinion, a larger general awareness from the populus as a whole regarding issues that affect them. The founding fathers provided us with a system that, I say not encouraged, but demanded every citizen to be informed on government and issues at the present. However, I am also aware that change doesn't happen automatically when a sufficient quantity of ideas come together; there needs to be a way to unify the best of each idea and there needs to be people who have the necessary incentive to the action. I can only hope that those with the requisite skills- the idea makers and the action takers- can come together regardless of their political ideology, and work together to improve the current system. Nothing creates unity like a common enemy, as history tells us, look no further than the American Revolution itself. There are too many problems to list but perhaps the three biggest are the current world economic structure, the declining birth rate, and the massive mental health crisis. These are the things we need to create unity around and fight with all the vigor we have. I can only hope that we do this sooner rather than later.
Can we please get more episodes soon? Love this type of content. Thanks whatifalthist!
I definitely regret not paying enough attention in maths class. Not even due to any practical downside but simply because the a lot of the mechanics of how the world works on a fundimental level require a good understanding of it to grasp.
I have listened to a few of these podcasts so far and it feels like no matter the guest, the conversation always ends up talking about school and education. Which I don't doubt is important and something the hosts are (very) passionate about but it gets repetitive.
I mean their education system is barely making it's students literate. I'd have a hard setting that aside if it was my country.
Ironically you'd be a good guest on subjective, given your knowledge of the over competitive and overeducated east asian systems.
@@jimmyjones8676 "barely making its students literate" is just hilariously disconnected from reality. They could absolutely be way better, but schools do much more than that.
@@vautryahh yesss. Leftoids taking away accountability and denying that its happening. Listen literally every single last american school has injected mongo***loid leftoidism IN EVERY SINGLE FAUCET OF ITS EDUCATION. Of course if you are the leftoid you will be denying all that. You always do. You never ever ever take accountability for your actions.
Blm mongs, LGBT insanity, uhhh schoolbooks which tell children how to give blowjobs to the tranzez and this and that. The Critical race theory which makes maoists out the children of course esspeccially black children, of course they also gets taught at home that they need to be looking behind their back at all times, because otherwise the white supremasismus will come and lynch his ass on the spot that is The Talk BTW. Totally not hateful at all and another thing that the leftoid will not admit its happening.You know the state of the educational system and the way it is on right now IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CALIFORNJANJA LEFTOID. And the goverment helping them of course. And you cant deny that. Period.
@@vautry Between 10 - 20% of Americans are below a basic level of literacy and most of them write below the level expected of a 6th grader.
Unless you're using the "Can parse street signs" standard they're falling short.
One thing I majorly disagree with is the gym class take. I dont know how gym class is different over the ocean in America, but here in Europe its half playing sports and half physical activities to make the kids atleast a little healthier. Instead, this should be expanded to have a gym class every day of the week to combat the obesity pandemic with 3 physical activities a week, 1 sports and 1 class we used to have in Czechia called Military education, which teaches you how to use a gun, how to throw a grenade, how to survive in a war zone, self defense, etc. It would boost military recruitment, boost physical health among the population and make everyone tougher.
One thing I agree with however is that specialisation needs to be way stronger. Here in Europe with high schools specialised for a lot of jobs, like factory working, woodworking, programming, etc. and even collaborations with local businesses to teach how work is actually done, which is something I dont think you have in America. But there are subjects that still dont have any high schools but instead are only specialised in college. Good examples of this are physics, history, or literature. Lets say someone wants to study history. You cant go and directly specialise in it, but instead you have to go to an unspecialised high school and then to a university, instead of going directly into a history school for multiple years longer instead of learning subjects like maths, physics, biology, etc. which you wont need in a history setting. Specialised schools need to be more specialised with less subjects a person wont need for the field and there should be more specialised schools in general.
I definitely fall into the neurotic/borderline autistic camp and I did very well in school, but I'll be the first to admit that people like me shouldn't be running everything. Also, it amazes me that I am more functional than a lot of people despite having those shortcomings. That's when I realized how messed up modern society really is. I'm capable of handling some aspects of modern society such as the loneliness better so I can't imagine what it's like for people who are not naturally like that and are stuck in those situations. I am not perfect and have a long way to go but at least I've been able to recognize my shortcomings and slowly improve while honing my strengths, which has largely been self taught or through advice from people close to me.
I love Europe and I love discussions on what we could do about Europe's problems. I hope it can believe in itself again someday. C'mon France, I believe in you.
So from personal experience, the education systems is very harmful to the things people enjoy. Through my highschool career i never got the classes i asked for and that made my young self dislike the school system to the point where i just quit going. If you want children to succeed and have aspiration, the system needs t let the choice be the students. You gentleman are amazing, thank you for the great content and giving a glimmer of hope.
9:11 where are the maps?
came here to post this lol
@@RealMajora bro is lazy lol 😂
Totally agree on the reteaching of schools in America
I love the fact he considered an encyclopedia published in the 90's old. So is anyone older than 30 ancient?
Unfortunately for marketing purposes this was obviously not going to do well
Long days of no content to drop someone from BTS that we never heard of
But damn actually this was a great interesting episode that I wished lasted longer and maybe got interrupted at its peak like Spider-Man across the Spider verse
Your manager should be perm cohost
Marek get Rudyard a MVS mic from Shure.
It will make him sound awesome.
Interview Dr. Warren Farrell
You should bring on redeemed zoomer to discuss modern Christianity in America
shut up frank
Don't know who he is, but this would be an interesting discussion topic
Get sneako on
Would be such a dumb episode pure entertainment 😭😭
@@rezzerx5315 we need some entertainment G…..
I would disagree about Marek's analysis of the classes. I think that the middle class while the most important in democracy is also the most ignored.
The rich know how to evade taxes or lobby the politicians to influence the system itself. On the other hand the poor don't have that influence but they have the support of the politicians. Politicians talk all the time about how no one should starve, how we must support the poor etc.
But the middle class basically pays everything and doesn't have enough power to influence things as easily as the rich.
Interview Nick Fuentes!
Please no, the man has the anti-midas touch.
30:20 It's actually magnified with children since they need even more simulation in order to focus on something
Basic algebra is need. Gotta be able to solve for x in business. Like 10+x=20 solve for x basic.
What’s in the Box??!😂
To be honest I think you guys need help on the marketing side of things. These podcasts are some of the most interesting content out in UA-cam, you get huge names and they are a highlight of my week, but you get no attention
You guys need to work a bit better in self promotion, find people who would be willing to sponsor you, get into circles of people who are interested in the same topics and just do what you can to get the word out.
The idea that respect only accrues from living to 60 in a place and time where few do, is not only immature and foolish, it's ignorant and incorrect. I'm 54 and the idea everyone was just dying off was never true of my generation, my parent's generation, or my grandparent's generation. It's also historically skewed towards an ideology or attitude rather the fact based, in light of the history of the world where various societies had varying levels of higher mortality for many different things such as child birth or infant mortality or loss of children up to certain young-ish ages OR sometimes deaths in young adulthood from a variety of very specific factors for some societies. The concept of respecting parents and elders is a societal need that serves a purpose and is taught in multiple societies but abandoned in this particularly weird society that we are in with relatively stupid justifications to make rebellious thinking seem smart to people who just want to think that way. My generation certainly did a lot of that particular brand of stupidity as did a the generation before mine. Having good examples of your parents being wrong about something is just reality. But it does not equal any of what was apparently concluded here about the topic. Reasonably wise people work through learning from the good and the bad of previous generations who effected them while striving to be the best they can be in their own ever changing context. All of the ideas that followed had merit on their own without the need for the rebelliousness justified argument. Do that. Make good and valid points about the merits or lack thereof of gym classes and overly emphasized and poorly structured stem, and results based analysis of said supposedly well intentioned programs.
17:00 kids shouldn't have access to social media till 10 or 12 imo
24:00 the whole point of learning differentiation, algebra is just a signal to show this kid is smart...i agree it's stupid, I'd prefer those Waldorf schools tbh
55:40 i guess that can count as "democracy", even in autocratic countries, the dictator actually needs a "win"
1:00:00 middle class always seek stability, and now they're being squeezed as some do not have financial acumen for investments, etc... they're risk adverse
You have common ground with your manager? Youdon'tsay.jpeg
Fr
Bring Frank DiStefano
Get rid of the boomer and this podcast is golden
Lol he the only boomer on our side
@@treyjan2712 he constantly talks over everyone
Nah, I like him. It’s also good to see another perspective since most people brought onto here are young and also a bit more right leaning. This podcast was about finding common ground after all
He’s saying the same garbage from Dave Rubin 5 years ago. “We need to have a conversation and agree to disagree”. Yeah, except the enemy is insane and destroying society, are religious and can’t be persuaded away from their religious conviction in building an anti human future.
@@MrReedlingagree on more effort to find a Common Ground - too much of an echo chamber at the moment
However - you can only go so far left and still find someone willing to discuss in good faith!
Gonna be a keyboard warrior and stand up for my martial art. If you actually train traditional martial arts like you're going to use them (spar, do cardio, lift heavy shit) they are just as good as anything else. When the older gentlemen was training there was a lot of watered down martial arts tho