Death of Georges Guynemer - France's most celebrated ace | 54 victories
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- On 11th September 1917 Capitaine Georges Guynemer took off in a SPAD XIII from Saint Pol-sur-Mer at 0825 with Sub-Lieutenant Benjamin Bozon-Verduraz. Sergeant Risacher had engine trouble and did not join them. Guynemer was last seen attacking a Rumpler near Poelcapelle while Bozon-Verduraz avoided a number of German planes; Guynemer was later found to have crashed after being shot through the head, but who exactly shot down Guynemer remains a mystery. Originally German ace Leutnant Kurt Wissemann of Jasta 3 was credited with shooting him down but the more likely possibility is that the gunner of the Rumpler, Leutnant der Reserve Max Psaar, flown by Flieger Georg Seibert, scored the fatal hit.
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Please enjoy this video!
Note: The Rumpler is represented by a DFW as this is modelled in IL-2 Sturmovik
An Excellent video. It has to been the observation plane that shot him down.
You should do the story of the death of James mccudden
@@tyleringle7382 ..Looks like thas was to be correct..and with mere rifle-caliber 7.9mm rounds, mind you!!
@@samburkes7552 Those 7.92x57 bullets are bigger than the 303 and 30-06.
@@tyleringle7382 Yes but not by very much! 7.62mm (30 cal/30-06, M2 Ball), 7.7/7.8mm(303 British cal, what the Vickers guns fired). Not much there. Luck to the Jerry gunner, had his deflection techniques down. BTW ,I work as a firearms restorative tech and ballistics consultant in an E. Miss gunshop..Also an a reloader. The 7.9mm Mauser cartridge has a bit more powder charge behind its slug. Standard German rifle/machine gun round for many years..
Guynemer was known by his colleagues to be a humble, softly spoken man with iron courage and an unbending sense of duty to his country. Rest in peace Old Charles, you were a true warrior.
Ernst Udet, Germany’s highest scoring ace to survive the war, wrote of an aerial duel with “Old Charles” in the book “Ace of the Iron Cross”.
With his guns jammed, Udet was at the mercy of the superior Guynemer. The Frenchman, seeing this, flew inverted over the seemingly doomed German but looked down at him, waved and flew away. A class act.
@@tyleringle7382 You didn't read properly
Sorry about that yes Ernst Udet was the 2nd highest scoring ace.
And, from what I know about Udet, this act of mercy affected him deeply all his life.
That duel was in April 1917 when Udet was in Jasta 15 in the Champagne and had just became an ace with 5 kills. Guynemer was wrecking havoc in his squadron and Udet was seeing his friends go down one by one until he requested his CO Guntermann to be transferred out to Jasta 37.
Both an extraordinary pilot and remarkable man.
Rest In Peace Georges Guynemer. 🇫🇷
According to the accounts I have read, Guynemers' ID was recovered by a German infantryman before his plane was destroyed; yet the German authorities never informed the French about it. For a pilot as famous as Guynemer, this was most unusual.
I knew about this! When I was a kid I got fascinated by first world war flying aces. Who knows why. But I read every book on the subject I could get my hands on. Great to see this. You brought me back some great memories. And good video.
Yes, it is a great video! Forgot over the past 60 yrs what happened to Guynemer..Now I know..Kudos to you, for your intense self education on this fascinating piece of WWI history!!
I know someone who teaches at the Air Force Academy. He told me some French pilots were visiting out there, and they got to talking about Guynemer. They told him that they considered Guynemer their ideal role model.
As a child I always fantasized what it would be like... in your biplane, heading towards the front. A cold dawn... constantly scanning the skies for enemy fighters. Nothing between you and the clouds but a bit of canvas and wood...
Thank you for another fantastic video my friend.
I too have the "Snoopy Syndrome!"
The French erected the George Guynemer Memorial - which forms a roundabout at the junction of the N313 and N301, at the west end of the village of Poelkappelle, France. It is surmounted by the famous "Stork" emblem in mid-flight with its' wings down. The Stork faces NE, being the direction in which Sous-Lt Bozon-Verduraz had last seen Guynemer flying.
Poelcappelle is in Belgium not France .
Did you know that Georges Guynemer descended through his mother from King Louis XIII of France?
Captain Guynemer will be credited with 53 homologated victories and 35 probable victories.
While knowing that the conditions for homologous victories were incomparably stricter in the French army, more than any other nation that participated in air combat in this war.
Untrue. Why is it each nation's partisans repeat the same cliche's but only for thier side?
What the hell is homologated?
Excellent, your work is amazing! I instantly was transported back in time, almost as if I were there! Sadly he never was laid to rest!! The “Great One” rest in peace ancient warrior!!
" He flew so high he simply couldn't come back down."
Yes! Back in High School (55-odd years ago) I read a book about the various WW-1 aces. That's when it was thought he'd disappeared into a high cloud bank. That's exactly the myth the French ascribed to his disappearance. 👍
@@kennethrouse7942 If it was Flying Aces of World War I, by Gene Gurney (Published 1965), I read it too! That's where I remembered the quote from.
Your videos are masterpieces of historical research, objectivity and visual beauty. Thank you so much for these great stories.
He was only 22 when he died, on this september 11, 1917 😯
Quite incredible, he survives eight times after his plane is shot down !
4:19 Great cinematic shot. Wow. Another great video from SC. Very much enjoying the shows on WW1. Keep up the good work and thanks again.
Well done! I'm a big WW1 AERO enthusiast. New subscriber, thank you.
I have a 1/32 scale model of Vieux Charles. A Frenchman deserves a spot in my model collection
Hey Rex, loving your work here too! Guynemer was a hero and did a lot for early war fighting
I always look forward to your releases!!!
These are great little documentaries...really enjoy watching them. Thank you.
Great work as usual Soto 👍
Thank you, much appreciated, more please 🙂
It's hard to believe that pilots in World War 1 flew as high as 20,000 feet without oxygen. At that altitude the danger of becoming hypoxic must have been ever present. One of the side effects of lack of oxygen is impaired brain function. From all accounts it is like being slightly drunk. For a fighter pilot flying over enemy territory, having one's judgement impaired would have constituted an invitation to disaster. It is easy to imagine an enemy pilot possessing a superior physical constitution sneaking up behind you while you are in a befuddled state and blasting out of the sky.
You should know that G. Guynemer while being a volunteer in 1914 had been returned to his home because he had lung problems and had been deemed too weak to be part of the army by military doctors.
The will and the courage one makes follow the body until the end.
Plus it is often well below zero in temps
Can’t wait to see you pay respect and bringing this great man’s final mission to life!! I wasn’t born yet, always wondered what happened to him!! As so many airmen during this ginormous struggle it was as if he disappeared and was lost to history, now we can see what happened and introduce a new generation to this brave ancient warrior 💜 long live his memory ✅
“Ginormous “ IS NOT A WORD!!!🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🐒💩👎
@@shanebailey9128 Buhwahaa 🤣🤣🤣okay!!!
Great work
Thank you for sharing! Very well done.
Dear Soto !! Always a pleasure to watch.
Excellent video history! This was exceptionally well "illustrated!"
A fascinating and enlightening surmising a significant aerial mystery of the Great War
Pity “Dogfights” never showed this. Sigh History Channel missed so much.
Well done! I can see how is was so loved at the time. He just looked angelic not at all brash. To mother's and father's at home it must have tugged at hearts. So many boys lost. Literally a lost generation.
I think I had read somewhere that the population of France and other European countries permanently decreased after WW1,i don't know for sure though,so someone correct me if I'm wrong
I wish that the crash physics of IL-2 were better, the aircraft seem to hit the ground and bounce, relatively intact, even following full power dives into the ground. In truth they would partially bury and then shatter and/or burn.
This takes nothing from your meticulous research and carefully crafted videos, which are absolutely excellent.
Hi Sota, impressive graphics and video thanks. A lot of research obviously goes into these videos 😁
very interesting story- at least sometimes the underdog two-seaters - recce and bomber planes - fought back effectively.
By all account, it seemed the Rumpler was a respected machine by its adversaries.
Spa 3 was one of 4 squadrons of Les Cigognes (Storks) group. the others were Spa 26, Spa 73 and Spa 103
I have a model, from Hallmark, of Guynemer's SPAD XIII hanging from my bedroom ceiling... 🇫🇷
Another great video.
Merci pour ce bel hommage
Quando alguém vai produzir um filme sobre esse Grande Às da Primeira Guerra Mundial?
Awesome video 😊😊😊!
Nice that video games like IL2, Rise of Flight and Rome Total War can animate history so we can visualize what really happened. War is hell.
I have been studying the air war in WWI for over 50 years. I have read many books on the subject and this is the first time I have ever heard this version of Guynemers death. Where does your info come from? For years it was reported Guynemer disappeared without a trace and that Wisseman was credited by the Germans and he in turn fell shortly after a victim of Rene Fonck. I had read that Guynemer's body and aircraft were obliterated by shelling in the area where he fell.
Check sources in the description, what is shown in the video is the most widely accepted version and is more recent research
If he was flying at 19,500,he would have to use oxygen.Thank you Soto for yet another splendid video.
Yes you would ! my question also... unless they were just that good LOL
That was not uncommon to fly higher than 17000 feet and the Rumpler was a high altitude reconnaissance aircraft (German high altitude aircraft crews were equipped with the first models of oxygen masks in the later phase of the war) The ceiling of a Spad XIII was over 18000 feet. Nothing weird about that.
@@kaa13 I did not know they used oxygen bottles in 1914,or15,or 16,or 17.Go figure.
@@markpaul-ym5wg Rickenbacker himself (and without oxygen mask flying a Nieuport 28):
"As I have said, I reached my very highest altitude before going forth to this tryst. Some Nieuports have a higher ceiling than others. It depends upon the quality and natural fitness of the motor. My 'bus reached 18,000 feet that morning. It had just been fitted with two Vickers guns instead of the one it formerly carried. This additional weight of thirty or forty pounds hampered the climb somewhat and lowered my ceiling by at least 500 feet.
Try as I would I could get her no higher. As we approached each other, No. 16 and I, the Rumpler was at 20,000 feet and was still climbing. My Boche friends knew perfectly well they could climb higher than any Nieuport. It might make their photographs a little indistinct but even those were better than our own taken from 12,000 feet."
@@markpaul-ym5wg later phase of the war , I did not know I did not write it . I can tell you they were patrolling way over 15000 feet
Fantastic video 🎉
Many great French warriors. Love you all. ❤
Guynemer chevalier du ciel !
Nice vids I love them!!
what about Guynemer's secret weapon? The 37mm cannon firing through the prop?
Very well done, better than others.
Flying at 19,000 feet without oxygen would induce anoxia.
This accident is almost similar with Red Baron 's Von Richtofen. Who shoot it down? Roy Brown with his Sopwith Camel or a full barrage fire from infantrymen troops in trenchs ???
Sgt. Cedric Popkin of an Australian anti-aircraft machine-gun company probably fired the shot that killed Manfred
Roy Brown was attacking the Baron from up high. The bullet that killed the Baron entered from the side and low. The Australian ground machine gunner got him. The Baron had been grazed with a bullet on the head in a previous encounter and his whole demeanor changed consistent with Traumatic Brain Injury, depression and PTSD.
It was his Target Fixation that made him follow a plane over what was for him enemy territory, contradicting his own rules. That, at the end, is what finished him. The Allies gave him full military honors.
It was a beagle flying a doghouse that took out The Red Baron.
@@thomasswafford250 Incorrect. It was the beagle in his plane chaising the Red Baron that set him up for the Australian gunner on the ground, named Charlie Brown, to finally shoot him down. The Baron had tricked Charlie Brown with the old "kick the football" trick too many times and Charlie put an end to it. It is suspected that Lucy is the daugter of the Red Baron and she continues his tricky legacy against Charlie's son who is also named Charlie... Don't forget that Lucy's last name is Van Pelt... (cue in Twilight Zone's musical theme).
@@philalcoceli6328 I never knew the complexity of the situation
Are you open to sharing the assets (group files) you create for these videos? I'd love to turn these scenarios into playable historical reenactments
0:44 Love the Spad equipped with electric start. Bwahahhahaah! And routinely flying without oxygen at over 19,000 feet? Really?
Yes! James McCuddenn VC would fly at such heights, too, in order to be in the best position above the German observer aircraft (who flew at 17000') to launch his attacks in his SE5a.
Не отдано ничего, если не отдано всё! Жорж Гинемер.
Interesting video. His plane and his body were both pretty much blasted into oblivion, before the Germans could retrieve his body out of the area. What is left of his body and plane are probably still buried in that spot. Thank you very much, for a very interesting video.
Considering most of the plane was wood and fabric i doubt anything remains except the metal parts
Good vidéo Guynemer good Pilot normal im french Man good Luck for news vidéos thank you
Anothr great pilot whose contraversial death (and colours of his arcraft) was Werner Voss. Read the superb book about this pilot - "September evening" by Barry Diggens. His exhaustive analysis of the evidence relating to Voss' last combat proves that it wasn't Rhys-Davids who shot him down. 👍
Please see my video on his final dogfight ua-cam.com/video/CkKhIZJCjY0/v-deo.html
Well done!
Always too much exhaust.
Roy Brown was incorrectly given credit for shooting down the Red Barron.
I will discuss this when I cover Richthofens final flight
Even Brown himself was very modest about his part in the downing of Richthofen.
Did the SPAD have electric engine start?
Dont you need O2 above 14,000 feet??
If he was flying at 19,000’ he was dying of oxygen depravation.
Guynemer was great, but the real French ace was René Fonck. And if you check how the French confirmed a victory, he may be even better than the Red Baron. Certainly not as a «chevalier du ciel», as Guynemer, thought. He survived the war
72 kills and lived
🙏
no one talks about the best Allied ace why?
Because old Rene Fonck was accused of collaborating with the Nazis even though the accusations were mostly false.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
impatience.... Always a killer...
Sad, war is evil.🌷🌻🥀
Encore un Héro mal connu.
La France n'honore que ses Lâches !
WDYM most celebrated.
I thought that it was Rene Fonck?
Fonck was pretty full of himself and not well-liked by his fellows.
Most celebrated does not mean most successful with air victories
Brave German pilots!! 😺💪💪👍💪
They were ALL brave on ALL sides.
Anybody who does his duty in a war when all senses tell him to run away is brave.
The greatest bravery however is to stand up in real life and fight for those who can't fight themselves.
These biplanes didn’t have a self starter. They needed another man to spin the prop
That´s all?
Or as the Germans called him - “The Old One”