I don't like being judged or inspected by box-ticking narcissists. Not do I like being subjected to what are basically protection rackets. That's why I've let all my "cards" expire and have no immediate desire to work in the electrical industry again. The irony being that these organisations are also responsible for the one-day slideshows with open-book tests that are being used to circumvent real training by replacing it with liability transfer.
I hate to say it, but hearing stories like this make me thankful for the system we use instead. It sounds like to me, engerneres who couldn't be a electrician are telling people that the clipboard says the job is done wrong just to justify a pay check. We have them on some jobs too, but its more or less a construction companys rep rather then being a state appointed moron.
That´s a proper rant. They do that in the food industry, too. If someone fails as a butcher, they can always be health inspectors, because they take everyone they possibly can. Nobody wants to do that job just shouting at people every day and leaving very expensive fines and constraints. You could complain, but if you do, they´ll send someone over to add something to the list and they can shut your business down instantly. As one of those guys was about to retire, he basically apologized for what he´s done for decades. He tried to be nice in the end. Nice move, but too late.
Perhaps the reason why you need to label them is because not everyone can see colors..... And to make it more idiot proof or something like that or should I say idiot resistant. 😂
This seems sufficiently widespread that someone ought to compile a representative sample and confront Ozev about it, pointing out the losses their subcontractors' errors have caused, and OZEV's potential legal liability for costs of unnecessary work dealing with it, as well as reputational damage by informing customers that work is substandard when it isn't. A FOIA request for the process used to appoint their subcontractors might also be interesting. Assuming the auditors are known, and are members of a professional body, a complaint to that body is also probably in order.
@@tcpnetworks One would hope their respective NICEIC, NAPIT or other approved contractor body would be firmly on their side. Not in bed with EV auditors.
Sounds like MOTs for cars. I've had advisories on mine one year, then magically not the next year. A friend of mine who does up cars said its due to the MOT tester. If you get one on the take, they'll make stuff up which magically disappears the next year if its either a different tester or the original tester just doesn't remember what they made up the year before.
I had the same problem with my audit of an EV charge point install. I referred all of the C2 C3 and the whole audit report to NICEIC. This is a widespread issue and many contractors have complained to NICEIC who have now taken this up at senior level with OZEV and SRElectrical who did many of the audits. After a while NICEIC came back to me and rebutted all four of the C2s saying they were either invalid or C3s at worst. Many of the other points on the audit were nonsense. It has caused a bit of a shitstorm and I am more worried about reputational damage because the loons doing the audits also write to customer of the install saying there are problems. Really pissed me off but thanks to NICEIC for standing up against this.
If it was my house I'd want to know if there was a chance my electrical installation was defective or dangerous. Customer's house, customer's money = customer needs to know.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 he is certainly not complaining that people receive a letter is something is below par. It is a massive issue that the inspectors are not good enough.
Too much obsession with codes and getting the right code. It's more important to list the defects, provide that to the customer and make a recommendation which ones must remediated, and that is determined as to whether there is an electric shock risk or fire risk.
Hi Cory, as a serving firefighters the need to apply metal fixings to a cable located 200mm from the floor is absolute rubbish. The reg was introduced after firefighters died after being entangled in a high level retro fit install. If those original cable clips are going to fail prematurely, there won't be fire crews any where near it! Great work 👏
As a full-time electrical inspector, I agree with you fully Cory. Every time I note a defect it has to have an ACTUAL regulation that it relates to, but this takes nit-picking above and beyond anything reasonable.
Is it reasonable to assume the man was ignorant of the work being done and therefore thought all points regarding retrospective and non applicable works were valid?
My Grandad lives in a sheltered accommodation,,and recently he had a radiator put in,,,,1 guy came to put it in....2 guy came to check it had been done appropriately. 3 guy came to check the checker...........
@@JoneKone The IET regulations are NOT law. The Building Regulations are the law. If you fail to follow IET regulations you can't be prosecuted. If an accident occurs and someone is injured, then the HSE can come down and take a look at what happened, and they take into consideration the failures to comply with the IET Regs.
reminds me of a free mot test i got done at halfords, it passed but boy did he nitpick the hell out of it. brake pedal rubber a bit worn and slippery - it was just a little bit worn, not slippery at all. phone mount on windscreen - every other mot tester just removes it - they had to put it on the mot results. i chalked this up to that they have to show their superiors that they are scrutining the work and giving it an easy pass so they nitpick and find any fault they can record.
Get the inspector to explain why he said what he said, and to show onsite what he thinks is wrong, Cory please keep up the good work you are one in a million.
It's just an auditor on a power trip. These types have so little power everywhere else and are insecure about it to the point they are now going mad when they get into any positions which has some form of it.
@@snackentity5709 at the same time not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. But these will get kicked back and make them look worse to the boss imo
@@migo70 I get that not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. I'm just trying to imagine the range of possible motives behind the behavior. The place I work has a company-wide auditor that comes in every year and he's real cool and practical. But then we have a customer auditor that comes in when we work on projects for them and he seems nice, but always finds SOMETHING to write down, no matter how inconsequential. He doesn't appear to be power tripping or have a big ego, which is why I'm wondering about other motives like trying to appear diligent and impactful for the boss-man. Buy yea I agree, if an *astute* boss sees a lot of junk write-ups, they would probably not like that from a reputation perspective.
When I used to do final production test of nuclear medicine instruments, we had a QA inspector who felt he had to find something to write up. He would spend a half day looking until he found something. We got to where we would leave a loose screw so he could "find" it.
NICEIC "auditors" worked like this in the region I used to work. One of my colleagues was in exactly the same situation: his company always left an easy to locate "noncompliance" for the auditor to write up. The auditor always looked pleased to have been able to tick all the boxes and complete the paperchase and made everyone's day go much more smoothly. "I have to find something" he said, "no installation is perfect." My colleague's favourite was to leave one light cable trailing over the ceiling grid not clipped up on the suspenders, or in one room he'd "forget" to earth the grid. Of course he couldn't include the same fault every time because that would be written up as "issues unrectified, failure to improve"! This is one reason everyone I worked with used to hate dealing with NICEIC, back in the days before they merged with Elecsa. No idea what they are like today; I'm not in that part of the industry currently, but I'd be interested to know...
There are people like this everywhere. I worked with a few in the software world. Usually older, close to retirement age types that seemed allergic to enthusiasm. Eventually we learned to leave low hanging fruit for them. One guy, we'll call him Calvin, would always quote 2 or three problems with any software plan we'd put together for some work. So we'd make two or three obvious gaffs, prepare solutions for them in advance, wait until he took a week of being idle to cite them, fix them and get the plan cleared. It became a bit of a joke in the end.
@deang5622 Yes, my father had an audit done a while ago for his taxes. He kept meticulous notes and complied 100%. He got audited, auditor was there 3 days going over everything and and eventually gave my dad some really BS minor couple things that were basically non-issues.. My dad asked him what was wrong with what he did. He said, okay look, my job is to audit stuff and to find things wrong, if I dont find something wrong then it doesn't look good on me. You did extremely well, and anyother time I would never even notes these, but I cant come back with an empty report. Going forward my dad always left something minor that was somewhat easy to find that wouldnt result in a fine to speed up the process
It should be mandatory that the audits are done while the installer is present. Like the yearly NIC EIC assessment, then discussions regarding C1's, 2's and 3's can be had at the time. The last thing a contractor or a customers wants to hear is that an install that cost a lot of money is ' DANGEROUS ' . Things like this can badly damage people's businesses. Another government cash cow 🐄 scam if you ask me
There’s tons of dodgy findings on these audits for a whole bunch of installers I know! We had a finding which I totally disagreed with, I’ve challenged the findings, and they’ve passed off the audit with no further action. Crazy. This is definitely some kind of profiteering exercise for the auditing companies.
Jordan should be able to have the inspector meet you on site to discuss his findings and Artisan Electrical should also be able to complain to the inspectors employer. If I was the inspector I would have no problem appearing on your vlog to discuss the issues
You guys need to go to the mgt of OZEV and have a sit down on camera with them about this, and show them what they are reporting on exactly. I would pay to watch that. 👍💲💲
Atleast we can all be glad that the NICEIC is now building a case to audit the auditors due to a very high number of complaints of incorrect details and classifications.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Would a good electrician serve in a regulatory body rather than do real work? What do you think? :-)
Brilliant! Definitely something odd behind these audits, either inexperience or some form of payment for failed installations. Follow the money. This was also riveting, and I suggest should be on prime-time TV. “Code 2, you’re covered in poo” 😜
I would like to say to Cory, congratulations with maintaining your smile and positive, moderate and frankly superhuman demeanour during your 'rant'. Me, I'd have been hurt, then angry, then steaming. It's absolute corruption, and I hope that the company who performed this audit and the others you've heard about get publicly shamed. It's toxic and has no place in British industry. I'm very tempted to write to my MP which I've only ever done once!
It's not corruption. It's the inspectors justifying their jobs and in turn the inspector's boss happily bean-counting the defects to show his boss, and so on up the chain. Good old British bureaucracy. Plus ca change,........................
They Just shouldn’t be able to bid behind the screen, if he’s coding an install u have done as unsafe you should be able to ask why and question him on it.
@@corynoahmac if at first u don’t succeed try try and try again. It would be worth it just to give u peace of mind and reassure urself your not going loopy 🤔🤔😉😉😉😉. After all that elec van JORDAN got is as much use as a horse 🐎 and u might of been confused with a 🤠🤠🤠 if u turned up in that ( after a 24 h journey with 5 charging stops) 💦 🦆 🔙
Can you all appeal en-mase to whoever decides who should get audited? A class action in the OZEV court of appeal as it were. If nobody complains "offically" it'll just continue
Hey. I've been watching a lot of your videos. I would rather hire you guys, rather some random spark (we need some work done). The quality and professionalism that I see is outstanding
From the States, I had a city inspector swing by today and check my hardwired EV charger that was installed Friday. He literally just looked at the charger and looked at how it was mounted. Stepped back and said "well, the lights are on, does it charge the car?" And it does charge. He just asked a couple questions about the wire and how it was routed into the basement. He said "I'm sure they got it wired correctly in the breaker box" and that was really it. He never asked to go into the basement to take a look. This was not an audit but I assume my city would be at least a little more concerned and do a better inspection. I mean, we didn't open any panels at all and we didn't even plug in my car which was right there next to the charger.
Well, the UA-cam button on the back of your filming booth would be a code 2. It is neither labelled multiple times as being a button, nor is it secured against premature collapse! 😁 Well done video and the build of the booth really pays off in my opinion, the shots look great!!!!
Only realy recommend to client if they stay in a high lighting strike area . Some insurance companies now want it and there is maps for venerable areas due to claims
I’m not a qualified electrician but I am an electronics engineer!! I love watching you guys work as your work ethic is brilliant and with what I know about this I cannot understand their problem? Something smells around here and I’m wondering if the reply’s you gave are the same inspectors!! And why now what about all the installations you guys have done!! So sorry I don’t like Twitter so can’t watch there
Personally I wouldn’t of touched nothing like you just did in the video! I would of made a complaint and ask for the auditor to audited or for it to be re audited while being there.
Agree, correcting reported stuff for the sake of it when it's not 'required' sets up a president. Cory's attention to detail aside, setting presidents for no reason will hound you for life.
I agree with most of what you've said here, bare in mind I'm not an electrician I just enjoy this type of content. That said at 12:50 you stated if you can't identify by colour you shouldn't be inside the consumer unit. That isn't true. Some electricians are colour blind. There's no law stopping them from being an electrician. Just pointing this out. Not intended to nit pick or anything. Keep up the great content
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen! Fair play for doing the completely unnecessary remedial work! This is just another reason why I'm happy I don't do EV
I’ve dealt with auditors now for the last 3 years where I work and I get the feeling that when a company hires another company to audit they always find something to justify them being there and that’s what it’s about they have to find something probably to get paid. Quoting a non existent regulation. What’s that all about? Funny thing is I bet if you looked at their work it would be substandard you tend to find.
Sounds like someone needs to audit the auditors- because they are obviously quite incompetent at their job... I would be getting together with the other elecs that got these ridiculous checks and get the auditing company to back up EVERY single claim- or get shut down...
I share your frustration !!!!I am a retired electrical technician ,I have designed and installed three phase breaker boards and carried out three phase installations and single phase installations in commercial industrial and domestic situations .I was part regulated for a time ….my opinion then and even more so now it’s a joke ,a money making scam for organisations /regulators .Why someone who has past all the required exams and have all the qualifications now has to do a course so they know how to install 3 phase supply so they can fit outlets for car charging !So glad to be out of the trade .
Cory as a fire prevention company in ireland that cable clipped is in no way an issue with premature collapse or will affect exit from house in event of fire in my opinion
Lots of the charge points have over voltage detection built in. I'm terms of the EV work most probs covered in the product. Fire clips as you identify unlikely to be an issue but we need them regardless. I guess they have to mention that. I have seen some shocking audits. Terrible ones. Keep on trucking and well done for shinning a light on this
I’m a firefighter in Australia. The first thing done at a domestic house fire is to turn off the main switch! The only wiring that worries us is the connection between the street and the main switch. Damaged cables will have tripped before we get there usually FFS. Keep up the good work
The regs mentioned here to do with firefighters aren't about the cables being live. It's about making sure cables aren't going to fall down in the event of a fire (for instance if held by plastic clips that quickly melt) which could entangle anyone still in the building. And the clown doing the auditing here saw that armoured cable, running about ankle height straight along the outside wall, and decided it posed a risk of the clips melting and the cable entangling someone. Ridiculous.
Thats absolutly ridiculous, I hope you (and the other sparks) complained to the inspectors registration scheme so they can inspect their poor inspecting.
where are these guys on the drive by eicrs that happen all over the country.I build commercial control and instrumentation panels some half a million plus …and sometimes when the consultant sends an inspector in mid and after build you just cannot win …. He has to and will find fault to justify his fee ….it’s so frustrating doing unnecessary remedial work just to satisfy a tick box on a report . Guys nothing wrong with Artisans work …above and beyond in my opinion your work is head and shoulders above others I have high standards and don’t like getting trades in my own house because most disappoint …but I would happily engage the Artisan team having followed your work . Keep it up …and fight your corner
We had code 2's on an industrial site to do remedials on where they claimed the pfc was giving readings of 14 and higher, when tested highest came out at 3.7 all on 10KA breakers in board too
In Canada if you legally have to choose the expensive option but the customer doesn't want it. You walk away or call inspector. You don't do the cheap option anyway. Anything clearly dangerous you have to fix. It an ethics thing.
We bought a property in Lincolnshire, that required some work. A local sparks told us he couldn't do any work unless he changed the plastic consumer units for metal ones. I'm not as green, as I am cabbage looking. He didn't get the job.
Brilliant video - your knowledge, passion and (entirely justifiable!) outrage shine through. My key question that I'd love to see covered is how will you and all the other sparkies that have been unfairly hit with these erroneous codings fight back? Personally I think the private contractor that did these 'surveys' shouldn't be getting paid by OZEV for starters! Really pleased you raised the issue but this definitely needs challenged.
I live in Canada. I have a multiple mains panels. Everything is labeled with fading labels. Its an older house that has to be at least 40+ years old at the minimum. I have no idea what the mains power switch is. The switches are all black. When the breakers go off because a circuit is overloaded I have to go in and switch them all off and then back on. Sometimes multiple times till the circuit that is off comes back on. I have no idea what I am doing! A nice label would be really awesome! Knowing which switch is the mains would be super helpful.
They told me to insulate a furnace exhaust pipes one time because it said "vent pipes must be insulated IF they pass through an unconditioned space" But outside is outside, not an "unconditioned space". That's a space that is sealed but not heated. But it's easier to just do it than argue. I circled the IF and "unconditioned space" and told the customer to show him that when he came to inspect my correction. It sucks when that happens.
Unbelievable! Our company used to get inspected by a firm called morgan lambert, the stuff they used to pull up was embarrassing!! You should name and shame these fools!
At 12:25, here in Brazil people put numbering on the cables to know which cable goes where, so some installers can see a potential issue and know which MCB is attached to which circuit (useless if you have the right equipment/common sense, but good practice), the numbered plastic pieces clip onto the cable and stay latched
Re the use of plastic clips ... if you use metal clips it is likely that the heat on the metal clips will melt the cable insulation and short out the wiring. Also ... the mains electricity (and gas) can be switched off by the fire fighters relatively easily as the main switch and main gas tap are inside the grey wall receptacles shown in the video !!
I love the video and I'm an electrician myself. One thing :D You've read the label on the mains SAYING ''Switch mains before removing the cover'' and you still removed it without switching the mains OFF! :D I'll be honest, I do that myself but it's hilarious how you've just read it and still didn't do it :D
My road is a great example of old regs as down the road still has a Bakelite box plus my house until the 2000s had one and according to my mum “curly wiring”
Obviously regulations here in Denmark are quite different, but auditors here are licensed by the local government or the state, depending on what line of work they have to audit, and you have to pass a (fairly easy) test to get the auditing license. But, when they do the auditing, these days any and all faults they find must be backed up by photographic evidence. If they can't prove their statements, then the entire audit is invalid and must be redone, and we have an appeal process for nearly everything here (though it's not brilliant and quite often it ends up being evaluated by the same people that did the audit). Unfortunately the random audit process we're supposed to have, doesn't really exist because installers are not required to report what they do unless they touch the main supply, so it's only if a particular electrician is suspected of doing a bad job it'll get audited. That said, if any work an electrician (or any other trade) does turns out to be faulty, they are 100% liable for it can be fined if it's a serious violation, and even lose their license if it's really bad. If the worst happens and someone dies due to their sloppy work, they can be charged with murder. These days where everyone have a camera in their pocket, it's quite common to take pictures of everything you do, as prove you've done it properly. That way you're also able to prove it wasn't your fault when the customer fiddles with your work and break something
An audit should be conducted when all parties are present, otherwise the argument 'it was ok when I left it' can be used. It is also helpful so that any issues can be discussed as they are found.
I always tell my customers when going over my PV systems when they ask if the electricians who will work on their house in the future will know how to shut off the solar electric connection to the grid. I always tell them if the electrician doesn't know how to shut off the solar power with all the stickers and disconnects that are connected to it then you should not let him work on your house. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are my favorites lol
The Earth wire is green and yellow for the very reason that colour blind people will be able to identify it! (It’s the most important conductor to get right to avoid live casings etc) so it’s two colours, thus no matter how you perceive colours, you’ll see it’s the only cable that’s striped.
I'm a plumber. I was called out for not putting a stop valve where the water enters the house. I turned the water line through the floor and put a stop valve there... because no-one could operate a valve in a 4 inch crawlspace. I was told that I had to put a valve in, or it would not pass inspection. We had to cut a hole in the floor to put a valve in, as there was no way to access it any other way. Luckily the home owner was on the same page as me, and it didn't cost me a customer. Sometimes the inspectors just lack common sense, and are too "by the book". Those who know, do.... those who are learning , teach... and those who think they know, Inspect.
No such thing as ambulance drivers. Paramedics, who as part of their life saving duties is to safely drive their rigs/ bus often at high speed to get to you and your loved ones. Ex FDNY Paramedic
What about the cable between the EVCP and the car? Maybe we should start looking for some kind of metallic mechanical arm to support the cable. 😂😂 On a serious note, do the surface mounted supply cable’s usually running at high level around the outside of loads of houses in the uk all have metallic fixings??? I think not!
1). I hope Jordan is defending you...... 2). Please invite Mr D Savery to review this as I'm sure he'd love to get involved with the regs ;-) Keep up the good work!!
Clearly the auditors have no idea ,this is not the first time I've heard lads say they have been picked up during an audit . I think the auditors need to be audited for qualifications and experience
On a slightly separate note, I HATE that things are called 'zero emission' now, as though that's the answer to all our problems. So - from tyres and brake pads, the gradual using up of batteries, the support infrastructure, and the energy generation itself - there are no emissions then? 'Low emission' did the job. It told the story, and it was honest. 'Zero emissions' is patronising, and papers over the lies.
The first rule of Fight Club: Don't talk about fight club. The first rule of oldschool sparks with overinflated regulator egos: Don't shittalk about shitty sparkies on youtube. More power to ya! 💯
Once had a home inspector take a picture in a crawl space of where the gas line entered the house with the note "Gas line is not bonded". Literally on the other side of the wall and in one of their other pictures, was where the gas line was bonded on the outside, clear as day and in the open.
The root problem is probably the outsourcing model used. I am not a spark, so will not offer opinions about whether it is wise for fire services to employ borrowers who might have a cable next to the ground fall on them. BUT, my wife (sadly now departed) used to work for the NHS. VAT, as applied to the NHS was beyond peculiar, and my missus got very good at navigating its rapids for the hospital she worked at. At one stage the Trust - at a level way above my wife - nonetheless decided that they should get in a consultant to identify VAT savings that could be made. The terms of the contract were that they were to be paid a proportion of the savings they identified. As it happened, all or nearly all had been identified by my missus. And already documented. So when my wifes boss stepped in and said the work was done already and asked that the consultants accept they be paid only based on savings that had NOT been identified already. The consultants would not accept that. Almost certainly your auditors were to be "paid by results" so HAD to find fault, and in their company promotional material they will be able to claim that they have been making the industry safer, and helping to weed out cowboys. As someone else has said - follow the money.
I was talking to the my new neighbour next door…we were discussing putting electrics into his new garden building… He said, and I quote…”I’ll be doing it myself, I’m not paying an expensive electrician….I work as a Handyman, so I can do it fine”….I said, great, no problem, just make sure you comply with 18th Edition”… He said, “You mean 19th Edition, I’ve just been on a course and we were told about it”…. I said, trying to keep a straight face (😂)…”Really, well I never, didn’t know that”…. !!!!!!!!
Not an EV install, but we had a rental property EICR come back with £250 unnecessary work (zone 2 fan, I think). Asked for a 2nd quote from another sparks - went back and challenged it as not in zone 2, got passing cert issued. Lesson - don't use openrent for electrical inspections.
I could see the need for a surge protector, a very energy-dense battery is being charged off that circuit and is a potential fire hazard if it catastrophically malfunctions... Except 1. Cars have their own, probably faster-acting protection circuits, and 2. If it were necessary, it should be a separate clear requirement "EV charging circuits must have in line surge protection in the consumer unit" or something like that.
Sideways thought: do lots of printed labels present a hazard within a consumer unit? Or any switchgear for that matter? Flammable material? This is something I will have done hundreds of times and only now thought of 😂😵💫😵💫😵💫
That exterior cable run is way neater than our domestic charge point install. ( Not done by yourselves. ) Ours must be a C2 as well by the auditors reckoning. We actually had the DNO ( Scottish Power ) out to inspect ours as we are on a looped supply. They had no issues with the install.
Fascinating video, thank you. A question. A few years ago, we, as private landlords, were required to change a consumer unit following an electrical inspection of a tenanted property. The property was a 1995 build and everything was fine BUT because not ALL cirecuits were RCD protected the regulations were represented to us as requiring a new modern consumer unit. We paid something like £500 for a replacement unit. The original unit was bang up to date in 1995 and still operating fine until it was ripped out and replaced. In this video the regulations are apparently not applied rertrospectively. SO, was we ripped off or was it a genuine problem. Nobody was ever in danger whilst using the older consumer unit and having watched this video I am starting to wonder wether we have been made mugs of ?
Well done, and THANKYOU for making a stand, against JOBSWORTH inspectors….. My point would be, having viewed your vid… That by labelling up individual cables within the DB, you’ve now provided a Combustible FIRE source.????
Northwest USA electrician here. When I get this level of nonsense "calls" on inspection I either call the inspector's cell directly (they're supposed to provide them here) and make them explain to me what they want and why, or if I can't get ahold of them just resubmit it for inspection and note in the inspection request what they got wrong. I've also definitely left a snarky label on a panel cover for an inspector I could tell was being too lazy to open up and look inside like they're supposed to.
Respect for putting this video out there. I can see you take pride in your work, which follows through in your nice installs. It’s unfortunate that the poor and even dangerous workmanship is not picked up… or is it ?
There's a Bavarian electrician who goes by ProofWood who got slapped in a similar way. Not for the work he did in the field, but for the way he interpreted some regs. Most of them specify a way to install something has to be done AND THEN state "or in a similar, sufficiently safe manner".
If you are an inspector how do you justify your position ? That would be by finding faults with someone's work. I suspect it is an uncommon event when the inspector comments that this was an excellent job. This is a floored process and need to change. Retired electrician from New Zealand.
Regarding the issue of premature collapse for the cable outside you can say the same as things for any cable outside for example a satellite cable is absolutely stupid they bring this up that armoured cable is not an issue not like it's above the doorway so it's not going to get in the way if there was a fire
I'm wondering if there is any financial benefit for an auditor needing a return visit to ensure these "code violations" have been rectified? Ridiculous stuff. Chin up Cory, I'd be proud claiming your standard and that of all the guys at Artisan Electrics work as my own.
I am an auditor… I hasten to add in the Food Manufacturing industry for food safety. I also used to work in the same industry for 22 years and WAS audited. We always check for conformity and not nonconformity. Where a non-conformity has been raised it HAS to be against a specific clause (I believe they are ‘regs’ in your industry). However, if they are raising the NCN but there’s no place in the regs then surely can’t you challenge what was raised? If I raise something that isn’t in the ‘standard’ I’m auditing against (which I never do) then would I expect to be challenged. Couldn’t Jordan have challenged some of these unjustified actions? I think you guys as well as the others you mentioned should get together and appeal whichever company is carrying out these audits. And bloody challenge what they’re saying!!! Going back and rectifying these bogus issues is fuelling it.
I understand that as a jealousy from someone saw a successful young guys doing great job and want to demoralise them.. GO ARTISANS and never look back.
Color blindness isn't a problem. I I suffer with it. And i glue n twist cables together all the time..!! Most of my customers are quite impressed by how their lights flicker at Christmas in a thunderstorm. 😅
I don't like being judged or inspected by box-ticking narcissists. Not do I like being subjected to what are basically protection rackets. That's why I've let all my "cards" expire and have no immediate desire to work in the electrical industry again. The irony being that these organisations are also responsible for the one-day slideshows with open-book tests that are being used to circumvent real training by replacing it with liability transfer.
If bigclive accepts, I accept with my eyes closed lol
Yes, this spiv bureaucracy has driven me from the profession earlier than would otherwise have been the case.
I hate to say it, but hearing stories like this make me thankful for the system we use instead.
It sounds like to me, engerneres who couldn't be a electrician are telling people that the clipboard says the job is done wrong just to justify a pay check.
We have them on some jobs too, but its more or less a construction companys rep rather then being a state appointed moron.
That´s a proper rant.
They do that in the food industry, too.
If someone fails as a butcher, they can always be health inspectors, because they take everyone they possibly can. Nobody wants to do that job just shouting at people every day and leaving very expensive fines and constraints.
You could complain, but if you do, they´ll send someone over to add something to the list and they can shut your business down instantly.
As one of those guys was about to retire, he basically apologized for what he´s done for decades. He tried to be nice in the end. Nice move, but too late.
Perhaps the reason why you need to label them is because not everyone can see colors..... And to make it more idiot proof or something like that or should I say idiot resistant. 😂
You should make a formal complaint about the inspector citing the regulation that doesn't exist.
This seems sufficiently widespread that someone ought to compile a representative sample and confront Ozev about it, pointing out the losses their subcontractors' errors have caused, and OZEV's potential legal liability for costs of unnecessary work dealing with it, as well as reputational damage by informing customers that work is substandard when it isn't.
A FOIA request for the process used to appoint their subcontractors might also be interesting.
Assuming the auditors are known, and are members of a professional body, a complaint to that body is also probably in order.
Good idea. Do you have a trades body on your side for that?
@@tcpnetworks One would hope their respective NICEIC, NAPIT or other approved contractor body would be firmly on their side. Not in bed with EV auditors.
someone hit lawfull masses youtube channel?
Sounds like MOTs for cars. I've had advisories on mine one year, then magically not the next year. A friend of mine who does up cars said its due to the MOT tester. If you get one on the take, they'll make stuff up which magically disappears the next year if its either a different tester or the original tester just doesn't remember what they made up the year before.
I was gonna say FOIA is an American bill but apparently the U.K. has a bill with the exact same name in FOIA 2000.
I had the same problem with my audit of an EV charge point install. I referred all of the C2 C3 and the whole audit report to NICEIC. This is a widespread issue and many contractors have complained to NICEIC who have now taken this up at senior level with OZEV and SRElectrical who did many of the audits. After a while NICEIC came back to me and rebutted all four of the C2s saying they were either invalid or C3s at worst. Many of the other points on the audit were nonsense. It has caused a bit of a shitstorm and I am more worried about reputational damage because the loons doing the audits also write to customer of the install saying there are problems. Really pissed me off but thanks to NICEIC for standing up against this.
glad to hear i had the same drama
If it was my house I'd want to know if there was a chance my electrical installation was defective or dangerous. Customer's house, customer's money = customer needs to know.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 he is certainly not complaining that people receive a letter is something is below par. It is a massive issue that the inspectors are not good enough.
@@duplicitouskendoll9402 Do you want a letter stating the inspector does not know what colour the line and neutral wires should be?
Too much obsession with codes and getting the right code.
It's more important to list the defects, provide that to the customer and make a recommendation which ones must remediated, and that is determined as to whether there is an electric shock risk or fire risk.
Hi Cory, as a serving firefighters the need to apply metal fixings to a cable located 200mm from the floor is absolute rubbish. The reg was introduced after firefighters died after being entangled in a high level retro fit install. If those original cable clips are going to fail prematurely, there won't be fire crews any where near it! Great work 👏
Thanks!
As a full-time electrical inspector, I agree with you fully Cory. Every time I note a defect it has to have an ACTUAL regulation that it relates to, but this takes nit-picking above and beyond anything reasonable.
Is it reasonable to assume the man was ignorant of the work being done and therefore thought all points regarding retrospective and non applicable works were valid?
So your oppinion here is "They are more of guide lines, not rules."?
My Grandad lives in a sheltered accommodation,,and recently he had a radiator put in,,,,1 guy came to put it in....2 guy came to check it had been done appropriately. 3 guy came to check the checker...........
@@JoneKone The IET regulations are NOT law. The Building Regulations are the law.
If you fail to follow IET regulations you can't be prosecuted.
If an accident occurs and someone is injured, then the HSE can come down and take a look at what happened, and they take into consideration the failures to comply with the IET Regs.
reminds me of a free mot test i got done at halfords, it passed but boy did he nitpick the hell out of it.
brake pedal rubber a bit worn and slippery - it was just a little bit worn, not slippery at all.
phone mount on windscreen - every other mot tester just removes it - they had to put it on the mot results.
i chalked this up to that they have to show their superiors that they are scrutining the work and giving it an easy pass so they nitpick and find any fault they can record.
Get the inspector to explain why he said what he said, and to show onsite what he thinks is wrong, Cory please keep up the good work you are one in a million.
he probably wrote the report from his cubicle lol
@@Lewdacris916 I wouldn't be surprised if that was all copy and paste report, and look like all the others
I hope the person who did the audit see’s this. It seems like they need the feedback so they can learn to do their job properly
I reckon Artisan electrics should audit the auditor and send him/her a report about his audit 😆
It's just an auditor on a power trip. These types have so little power everywhere else and are insecure about it to the point they are now going mad when they get into any positions which has some form of it.
@@migo70 Is it ego or is it more like "I have to find a handful of 'things' to show my boss that I'm working/valuable"?
@@snackentity5709 at the same time not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. But these will get kicked back and make them look worse to the boss imo
@@migo70 I get that not finding faults doesn't mean they're not working. I'm just trying to imagine the range of possible motives behind the behavior. The place I work has a company-wide auditor that comes in every year and he's real cool and practical. But then we have a customer auditor that comes in when we work on projects for them and he seems nice, but always finds SOMETHING to write down, no matter how inconsequential. He doesn't appear to be power tripping or have a big ego, which is why I'm wondering about other motives like trying to appear diligent and impactful for the boss-man.
Buy yea I agree, if an *astute* boss sees a lot of junk write-ups, they would probably not like that from a reputation perspective.
When I used to do final production test of nuclear medicine instruments, we had a QA inspector who felt he had to find something to write up.
He would spend a half day looking until he found something. We got to where we would leave a loose screw so he could "find" it.
NICEIC "auditors" worked like this in the region I used to work. One of my colleagues was in exactly the same situation: his company always left an easy to locate "noncompliance" for the auditor to write up. The auditor always looked pleased to have been able to tick all the boxes and complete the paperchase and made everyone's day go much more smoothly. "I have to find something" he said, "no installation is perfect." My colleague's favourite was to leave one light cable trailing over the ceiling grid not clipped up on the suspenders, or in one room he'd "forget" to earth the grid. Of course he couldn't include the same fault every time because that would be written up as "issues unrectified, failure to improve"!
This is one reason everyone I worked with used to hate dealing with NICEIC, back in the days before they merged with Elecsa. No idea what they are like today; I'm not in that part of the industry currently, but I'd be interested to know...
@@Dranok1 Probably thinks that he will be out of a job if he keeps finding nothing wrong.
There are people like this everywhere. I worked with a few in the software world. Usually older, close to retirement age types that seemed allergic to enthusiasm. Eventually we learned to leave low hanging fruit for them. One guy, we'll call him Calvin, would always quote 2 or three problems with any software plan we'd put together for some work. So we'd make two or three obvious gaffs, prepare solutions for them in advance, wait until he took a week of being idle to cite them, fix them and get the plan cleared. It became a bit of a joke in the end.
@deang5622 Yes, my father had an audit done a while ago for his taxes. He kept meticulous notes and complied 100%. He got audited, auditor was there 3 days going over everything and and eventually gave my dad some really BS minor couple things that were basically non-issues.. My dad asked him what was wrong with what he did. He said, okay look, my job is to audit stuff and to find things wrong, if I dont find something wrong then it doesn't look good on me. You did extremely well, and anyother time I would never even notes these, but I cant come back with an empty report.
Going forward my dad always left something minor that was somewhat easy to find that wouldnt result in a fine to speed up the process
7:23 - “we don’t offer surge protection; we just do it.”
Absolutely the right attitude. 👍
It should be mandatory that the audits are done while the installer is present. Like the yearly NIC EIC assessment, then discussions regarding C1's, 2's and 3's can be had at the time. The last thing a contractor or a customers wants to hear is that an install that cost a lot of money is ' DANGEROUS ' . Things like this can badly damage people's businesses. Another government cash cow 🐄 scam if you ask me
There’s tons of dodgy findings on these audits for a whole bunch of installers I know! We had a finding which I totally disagreed with, I’ve challenged the findings, and they’ve passed off the audit with no further action. Crazy. This is definitely some kind of profiteering exercise for the auditing companies.
Jordan should be able to have the inspector meet you on site to discuss his findings and Artisan Electrical should also be able to complain to the inspectors employer. If I was the inspector I would have no problem appearing on your vlog to discuss the issues
You guys need to go to the mgt of OZEV and have a sit down on camera with them about this, and show them what they are reporting on exactly. I would pay to watch that. 👍💲💲
Atleast we can all be glad that the NICEIC is now building a case to audit the auditors due to a very high number of complaints of incorrect details and classifications.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Would a good electrician serve in a regulatory body rather than do real work? What do you think? :-)
Brilliant! Definitely something odd behind these audits, either inexperience or some form of payment for failed installations. Follow the money. This was also riveting, and I suggest should be on prime-time TV. “Code 2, you’re covered in poo” 😜
surely that's a defo code zero - hit the panic button and wait for help to arrive 🤣
Inspectors love adding their own twists to the code here in America as well.
I would like to say to Cory, congratulations with maintaining your smile and positive, moderate and frankly superhuman demeanour during your 'rant'. Me, I'd have been hurt, then angry, then steaming.
It's absolute corruption, and I hope that the company who performed this audit and the others you've heard about get publicly shamed.
It's toxic and has no place in British industry.
I'm very tempted to write to my MP which I've only ever done once!
It's not corruption. It's the inspectors justifying their jobs and in turn the inspector's boss happily bean-counting the defects to show his boss, and so on up the chain. Good old British bureaucracy. Plus ca change,........................
I want to hear Jordan’s view on this.
Was there no way of being able to get hold of the inspector and give him a call, these job worths needs a talking to
I tried, strangely enough he was unavailable
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They Just shouldn’t be able to bid behind the screen, if he’s coding an install u have done as unsafe you should be able to ask why and question him on it.
@@corynoahmac if at first u don’t succeed try try and try again. It would be worth it just to give u peace of mind and reassure urself your not going loopy 🤔🤔😉😉😉😉. After all that elec van JORDAN got is as much use as a horse 🐎 and u might of been confused with a 🤠🤠🤠 if u turned up in that ( after a 24 h journey with 5 charging stops)
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@@corynoahmac your a decent chanter 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Can you all appeal en-mase to whoever decides who should get audited? A class action in the OZEV court of appeal as it were. If nobody complains "offically" it'll just continue
Hey. I've been watching a lot of your videos. I would rather hire you guys, rather some random spark (we need some work done). The quality and professionalism that I see is outstanding
This auditing lark is a cash cow really. Everyone has a snout in the "green" trough and everyone wants in on the action.
you think they have to have a certain number of fails to reach a quota ......like traffic wardens have to give out tickets ?
@@memecoinmafia2732 Yes.
And the things they pulled you up on hardly even justify a C3 let alone the C1 and C2 they coded it as.
I'd love to see David "The Rave" Savery wade in on this!
From the States, I had a city inspector swing by today and check my hardwired EV charger that was installed Friday. He literally just looked at the charger and looked at how it was mounted. Stepped back and said "well, the lights are on, does it charge the car?" And it does charge. He just asked a couple questions about the wire and how it was routed into the basement. He said "I'm sure they got it wired correctly in the breaker box" and that was really it. He never asked to go into the basement to take a look.
This was not an audit but I assume my city would be at least a little more concerned and do a better inspection. I mean, we didn't open any panels at all and we didn't even plug in my car which was right there next to the charger.
Well, the UA-cam button on the back of your filming booth would be a code 2. It is neither labelled multiple times as being a button, nor is it secured against premature collapse! 😁
Well done video and the build of the booth really pays off in my opinion, the shots look great!!!!
Surge is to protect against transient voltages……not over current. But i do agree it isn’t a requirement if the client doesn’t want it
Only realy recommend to client if they stay in a high lighting strike area . Some insurance companies now want it and there is maps for venerable areas due to claims
I’m not a qualified electrician but I am an electronics engineer!! I love watching you guys work as your work ethic is brilliant and with what I know about this I cannot understand their problem? Something smells around here and I’m wondering if the reply’s you gave are the same inspectors!! And why now what about all the installations you guys have done!! So sorry I don’t like Twitter so can’t watch there
Personally I wouldn’t of touched nothing like you just did in the video! I would of made a complaint and ask for the auditor to audited or for it to be re audited while being there.
Agree, correcting reported stuff for the sake of it when it's not 'required' sets up a president. Cory's attention to detail aside, setting presidents for no reason will hound you for life.
It‘s actually „would‘ve“ like in „would have“. Sorry about the quotation marks.
I agree with most of what you've said here, bare in mind I'm not an electrician I just enjoy this type of content.
That said at 12:50 you stated if you can't identify by colour you shouldn't be inside the consumer unit. That isn't true. Some electricians are colour blind. There's no law stopping them from being an electrician.
Just pointing this out. Not intended to nit pick or anything. Keep up the great content
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen! Fair play for doing the completely unnecessary remedial work! This is just another reason why I'm happy I don't do EV
I’ve dealt with auditors now for the last 3 years where I work and I get the feeling that when a company hires another company to audit they always find something to justify them being there and that’s what it’s about they have to find something probably to get paid. Quoting a non existent regulation. What’s that all about? Funny thing is I bet if you looked at their work it would be substandard you tend to find.
Sounds like someone needs to audit the auditors- because they are obviously quite incompetent at their job... I would be getting together with the other elecs that got these ridiculous checks and get the auditing company to back up EVERY single claim- or get shut down...
I share your frustration !!!!I am a retired electrical technician ,I have designed and installed three phase breaker boards and carried out three phase installations and single phase installations in commercial industrial and domestic situations .I was part regulated for a time ….my opinion then and even more so now it’s a joke ,a money making scam for organisations /regulators .Why someone who has past all the required exams and have all the qualifications now has to do a course so they know how to install 3 phase supply so they can fit outlets for car charging !So glad to be out of the trade .
Cory as a fire prevention company in ireland that cable clipped is in no way an issue with premature collapse or will affect exit from house in event of fire in my opinion
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The saddest part about any of this, is idiots think the vehicles they drive are actually "zero emission" when they aren't at all.
Lots of the charge points have over voltage detection built in. I'm terms of the EV work most probs covered in the product.
Fire clips as you identify unlikely to be an issue but we need them regardless. I guess they have to mention that. I have seen some shocking audits. Terrible ones.
Keep on trucking and well done for shinning a light on this
Are we sure the auditor wasn’t a Mr N Bundy ? 😆😂
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I’m a firefighter in Australia. The first thing done at a domestic house fire is to turn off the main switch! The only wiring that worries us is the connection between the street and the main switch. Damaged cables will have tripped before we get there usually FFS. Keep up the good work
The regs mentioned here to do with firefighters aren't about the cables being live. It's about making sure cables aren't going to fall down in the event of a fire (for instance if held by plastic clips that quickly melt) which could entangle anyone still in the building. And the clown doing the auditing here saw that armoured cable, running about ankle height straight along the outside wall, and decided it posed a risk of the clips melting and the cable entangling someone. Ridiculous.
@@Mattja1 especialy when the only place that would be a reasonebel risk is at the door wher the cabel is under a lip presented by the door sil.
Thats absolutly ridiculous, I hope you (and the other sparks) complained to the inspectors registration scheme so they can inspect their poor inspecting.
where are these guys on the drive by eicrs that happen all over the country.I build commercial control and instrumentation panels some half a million plus …and sometimes when the consultant sends an inspector in mid and after build you just cannot win …. He has to and will find fault to justify his fee ….it’s so frustrating doing unnecessary remedial work just to satisfy a tick box on a report .
Guys nothing wrong with Artisans work …above and beyond in my opinion your work is head and shoulders above others I have high standards and don’t like getting trades in my own house because most disappoint …but I would happily engage the Artisan team having followed your work .
Keep it up …and fight your corner
I am a plumber in Germany... we are ought to put F90 isolation on metal pipes that go through the ceiling... on a property that has F30 ceiling...
I’d love to hear Dave Savery and Nigel’s opinions on this 😂.
😂😂😂 I can imagine. That would be a brilliant video
He did say he rang some brain box
@@AndyK.1 That might be JW though
Their opinions would probably get their channel taken down by UA-cam.
We had code 2's on an industrial site to do remedials on where they claimed the pfc was giving readings of 14 and higher, when tested highest came out at 3.7 all on 10KA breakers in board too
In Canada if you legally have to choose the expensive option but the customer doesn't want it. You walk away or call inspector. You don't do the cheap option anyway. Anything clearly dangerous you have to fix. It an ethics thing.
We bought a property in Lincolnshire, that required some work. A local sparks told us he couldn't do any work unless he changed the plastic consumer units for metal ones. I'm not as green, as I am cabbage looking. He didn't get the job.
Brilliant video - your knowledge, passion and (entirely justifiable!) outrage shine through. My key question that I'd love to see covered is how will you and all the other sparkies that have been unfairly hit with these erroneous codings fight back? Personally I think the private contractor that did these 'surveys' shouldn't be getting paid by OZEV for starters! Really pleased you raised the issue but this definitely needs challenged.
I live in Canada. I have a multiple mains panels. Everything is labeled with fading labels. Its an older house that has to be at least 40+ years old at the minimum. I have no idea what the mains power switch is. The switches are all black. When the breakers go off because a circuit is overloaded I have to go in and switch them all off and then back on. Sometimes multiple times till the circuit that is off comes back on. I have no idea what I am doing! A nice label would be really awesome! Knowing which switch is the mains would be super helpful.
They told me to insulate a furnace exhaust pipes one time because it said "vent pipes must be insulated IF they pass through an unconditioned space"
But outside is outside, not an "unconditioned space". That's a space that is sealed but not heated.
But it's easier to just do it than argue. I circled the IF and "unconditioned space" and told the customer to show him that when he came to inspect my correction.
It sucks when that happens.
Unbelievable! Our company used to get inspected by a firm called morgan lambert, the stuff they used to pull up was embarrassing!! You should name and shame these fools!
At 12:25, here in Brazil people put numbering on the cables to know which cable goes where, so some installers can see a potential issue and know which MCB is attached to which circuit (useless if you have the right equipment/common sense, but good practice), the numbered plastic pieces clip onto the cable and stay latched
Re the use of plastic clips ... if you use metal clips it is likely that the heat on the metal clips will melt the cable insulation and short out the wiring.
Also ... the mains electricity (and gas) can be switched off by the fire fighters relatively easily as the main switch and main gas tap are inside the grey wall receptacles shown in the video !!
I love the video and I'm an electrician myself. One thing :D You've read the label on the mains SAYING ''Switch mains before removing the cover'' and you still removed it without switching the mains OFF! :D I'll be honest, I do that myself but it's hilarious how you've just read it and still didn't do it :D
My road is a great example of old regs as down the road still has a Bakelite box plus my house until the 2000s had one and according to my mum “curly wiring”
Obviously regulations here in Denmark are quite different, but auditors here are licensed by the local government or the state, depending on what line of work they have to audit, and you have to pass a (fairly easy) test to get the auditing license. But, when they do the auditing, these days any and all faults they find must be backed up by photographic evidence. If they can't prove their statements, then the entire audit is invalid and must be redone, and we have an appeal process for nearly everything here (though it's not brilliant and quite often it ends up being evaluated by the same people that did the audit). Unfortunately the random audit process we're supposed to have, doesn't really exist because installers are not required to report what they do unless they touch the main supply, so it's only if a particular electrician is suspected of doing a bad job it'll get audited. That said, if any work an electrician (or any other trade) does turns out to be faulty, they are 100% liable for it can be fined if it's a serious violation, and even lose their license if it's really bad. If the worst happens and someone dies due to their sloppy work, they can be charged with murder. These days where everyone have a camera in their pocket, it's quite common to take pictures of everything you do, as prove you've done it properly. That way you're also able to prove it wasn't your fault when the customer fiddles with your work and break something
An audit should be conducted when all parties are present, otherwise the argument 'it was ok when I left it' can be used. It is also helpful so that any issues can be discussed as they are found.
I always tell my customers when going over my PV systems when they ask if the electricians who will work on their house in the future will know how to shut off the solar electric connection to the grid. I always tell them if the electrician doesn't know how to shut off the solar power with all the stickers and disconnects that are connected to it then you should not let him work on your house. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are my favorites lol
The Earth wire is green and yellow for the very reason that colour blind people will be able to identify it! (It’s the most important conductor to get right to avoid live casings etc) so it’s two colours, thus no matter how you perceive colours, you’ll see it’s the only cable that’s striped.
I'm a plumber. I was called out for not putting a stop valve where the water enters the house. I turned the water line through the floor and put a stop valve there... because no-one could operate a valve in a 4 inch crawlspace. I was told that I had to put a valve in, or it would not pass inspection. We had to cut a hole in the floor to put a valve in, as there was no way to access it any other way. Luckily the home owner was on the same page as me, and it didn't cost me a customer. Sometimes the inspectors just lack common sense, and are too "by the book". Those who know, do.... those who are learning , teach... and those who think they know, Inspect.
Time to audit the auditors and for the benefit of doubt, Sharing knowledge and continuing improvement.....It would be prudent to meet with OLEV .
No such thing as ambulance drivers. Paramedics, who as part of their life saving duties is to safely drive their rigs/ bus often at high speed to get to you and your loved ones. Ex FDNY Paramedic
What about the cable between the EVCP and the car? Maybe we should start looking for some kind of metallic mechanical arm to support the cable. 😂😂
On a serious note, do the surface mounted supply cable’s usually running at high level around the outside of loads of houses in the uk all have metallic fixings???
I think not!
1). I hope Jordan is defending you......
2). Please invite Mr D Savery to review this as I'm sure he'd love to get involved with the regs ;-)
Keep up the good work!!
Clearly the auditors have no idea ,this is not the first time I've heard lads say they have been picked up during an audit . I think the auditors need to be audited for qualifications and experience
Those who can, do; those who can't, become an OZEV auditor
That's right the auditor in question is not even on the OZEV EV Charger approved installer list! (at least under the same trading name)
They are talking about the effects of hitting the switch. So, if you can't see a device controlled by a switch, you need a label.
On a slightly separate note, I HATE that things are called 'zero emission' now, as though that's the answer to all our problems.
So - from tyres and brake pads, the gradual using up of batteries, the support infrastructure, and the energy generation itself - there are no emissions then?
'Low emission' did the job. It told the story, and it was honest. 'Zero emissions' is patronising, and papers over the lies.
The first rule of Fight Club: Don't talk about fight club.
The first rule of oldschool sparks with overinflated regulator egos: Don't shittalk about shitty sparkies on youtube.
More power to ya! 💯
As someone has already said. Auditing is a cash cow for the auditors .
Once had a home inspector take a picture in a crawl space of where the gas line entered the house with the note "Gas line is not bonded". Literally on the other side of the wall and in one of their other pictures, was where the gas line was bonded on the outside, clear as day and in the open.
The root problem is probably the outsourcing model used. I am not a spark, so will not offer opinions about whether it is wise for fire services to employ borrowers who might have a cable next to the ground fall on them. BUT, my wife (sadly now departed) used to work for the NHS. VAT, as applied to the NHS was beyond peculiar, and my missus got very good at navigating its rapids for the hospital she worked at. At one stage the Trust - at a level way above my wife - nonetheless decided that they should get in a consultant to identify VAT savings that could be made. The terms of the contract were that they were to be paid a proportion of the savings they identified. As it happened, all or nearly all had been identified by my missus. And already documented. So when my wifes boss stepped in and said the work was done already and asked that the consultants accept they be paid only based on savings that had NOT been identified already. The consultants would not accept that.
Almost certainly your auditors were to be "paid by results" so HAD to find fault, and in their company promotional material they will be able to claim that they have been making the industry safer, and helping to weed out cowboys.
As someone else has said - follow the money.
I was talking to the my new neighbour next door…we were discussing putting electrics into his new garden building… He said, and I quote…”I’ll be doing it myself, I’m not paying an expensive electrician….I work as a Handyman, so I can do it fine”….I said, great, no problem, just make sure you comply with 18th Edition”… He said, “You mean 19th Edition, I’ve just been on a course and we were told about it”…. I said, trying to keep a straight face (😂)…”Really, well I never, didn’t know that”…. !!!!!!!!
my breakers are labeled on the outside of the cover that protects the busbar been touched .no fuses are labeled directly onto the breakers
Not an EV install, but we had a rental property EICR come back with £250 unnecessary work (zone 2 fan, I think). Asked for a 2nd quote from another sparks - went back and challenged it as not in zone 2, got passing cert issued. Lesson - don't use openrent for electrical inspections.
I could see the need for a surge protector, a very energy-dense battery is being charged off that circuit and is a potential fire hazard if it catastrophically malfunctions...
Except 1. Cars have their own, probably faster-acting protection circuits, and
2. If it were necessary, it should be a separate clear requirement "EV charging circuits must have in line surge protection in the consumer unit" or something like that.
Always double or triple check every install take pics video and save backups too
Sideways thought: do lots of printed labels present a hazard within a consumer unit? Or any switchgear for that matter? Flammable material? This is something I will have done hundreds of times and only now thought of 😂😵💫😵💫😵💫
That exterior cable run is way neater than our domestic charge point install. ( Not done by yourselves. ) Ours must be a C2 as well by the auditors reckoning. We actually had the DNO ( Scottish Power ) out to inspect ours as we are on a looped supply. They had no issues with the install.
Fascinating video, thank you. A question. A few years ago, we, as private landlords, were required to change a consumer unit following an electrical inspection of a tenanted property. The property was a 1995 build and everything was fine BUT because not ALL cirecuits were RCD protected the regulations were represented to us as requiring a new modern consumer unit. We paid something like £500 for a replacement unit. The original unit was bang up to date in 1995 and still operating fine until it was ripped out and replaced. In this video the regulations are apparently not applied rertrospectively. SO, was we ripped off or was it a genuine problem. Nobody was ever in danger whilst using the older consumer unit and having watched this video I am starting to wonder wether we have been made mugs of ?
Well done, and THANKYOU for making a stand, against JOBSWORTH inspectors….. My point would be, having viewed your vid… That by labelling up individual cables within the DB, you’ve now provided a Combustible FIRE source.????
Coming back here to reminisce on my Saturday morning 😂❤
labels don't go on the breakers , they go on the plastic lid.
Northwest USA electrician here. When I get this level of nonsense "calls" on inspection I either call the inspector's cell directly (they're supposed to provide them here) and make them explain to me what they want and why, or if I can't get ahold of them just resubmit it for inspection and note in the inspection request what they got wrong.
I've also definitely left a snarky label on a panel cover for an inspector I could tell was being too lazy to open up and look inside like they're supposed to.
hold the auditor personally liable and sue his ass....
Respect for putting this video out there. I can see you take pride in your work, which follows through in your nice installs.
It’s unfortunate that the poor and even dangerous workmanship is not picked up… or is it ?
There's a Bavarian electrician who goes by ProofWood who got slapped in a similar way. Not for the work he did in the field, but for the way he interpreted some regs. Most of them specify a way to install something has to be done AND THEN state "or in a similar, sufficiently safe manner".
If you are an inspector how do you justify your position ? That would be by finding faults with someone's work. I suspect it is an uncommon event when the inspector comments that this was an excellent job. This is a floored process and need to change. Retired electrician from New Zealand.
15:37 - I found an issue: The left and right hands were not clearly marked as LEFT HAND and RIGHT HAND.
Regarding the issue of premature collapse for the cable outside you can say the same as things for any cable outside for example a satellite cable is absolutely stupid they bring this up that armoured cable is not an issue not like it's above the doorway so it's not going to get in the way if there was a fire
I'm wondering if there is any financial benefit for an auditor needing a return visit to ensure these "code violations" have been rectified? Ridiculous stuff. Chin up Cory, I'd be proud claiming your standard and that of all the guys at Artisan Electrics work as my own.
Always remember if you cant do the job become a tester and who audits the auditors.
I am an auditor… I hasten to add in the Food Manufacturing industry for food safety. I also used to work in the same industry for 22 years and WAS audited. We always check for conformity and not nonconformity.
Where a non-conformity has been raised it HAS to be against a specific clause (I believe they are ‘regs’ in your industry). However, if they are raising the NCN but there’s no place in the regs then surely can’t you challenge what was raised? If I raise something that isn’t in the ‘standard’ I’m auditing against (which I never do) then would I expect to be challenged. Couldn’t Jordan have challenged some of these unjustified actions? I think you guys as well as the others you mentioned should get together and appeal whichever company is carrying out these audits. And bloody challenge what they’re saying!!! Going back and rectifying these bogus issues is fuelling it.
Reg 519.1.5 don't cause fire risk by excessive labelling ;)
I understand that as a jealousy from someone saw a successful young guys doing great job and want to demoralise them.. GO ARTISANS and never look back.
Color blindness isn't a problem. I I suffer with it. And i glue n twist cables together all the time..!!
Most of my customers are quite impressed by how their lights flicker at Christmas in a thunderstorm. 😅
Wel Corey I love the rant and yes it’s ridiculous infact it’s laughable if enough complain it will be rectified
But dnt let em put you off
I doubt the person who did this audit even has an electrical qualification.
"maybe they were from a commercial background?".... I would call them a jobs worth! keep doing the good work you are doing!!