KURZWEIL PC3 sounds good

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
  • Recorded back in NOV 2011 - using Model "PC3"
    All sounds are default - no expansion or tweaks etc
    This lets you hear how good the sounds are on this keyboard.
    Thank you keyboard lovers for sooo many views!!

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  • @antoniozuffolato123
    @antoniozuffolato123 Рік тому +2

    I don't know how many times I listen to this video. I dont' have PC3 but I like how it sounds.. And you played very well.. the right sound for the right song 😁👍

  • @PLAVOLASEC
    @PLAVOLASEC 12 років тому +2

    Thank you for great altruistic presentation of PC3 sounds.
    For taking so much time for us, you must be a very good person.

  • @MrStanq
    @MrStanq 11 років тому +2

    I just try a PC3K 88 in my local shop. I order one. Thanks a lot for your demo, your answer and all people in YT helping each other to compare, hear and get interested in synth.

  • @voicetube
    @voicetube 6 років тому +5

    Yes, it helped me decide: the Kurzweil PC 3K8 is right for me :-)

  • @synthlab
    @synthlab 12 років тому +1

    Thank you. At last, one good video showing the sounds of the PC3 !
    Very useful, congratulations.

  • @flotopo
    @flotopo 12 років тому +3

    Motif XS strong points: 1. It comes loaded with sounds that already sound great. 2. the DA converters on the yamaha motif line are very warm, which is always a good thing, this is way lots of people talk about the "yamaha warmth" in motif keyboards.
    Kurzweil PC3 strongs: 1. It comes loaded with already amazing sounds that you can use for any genre successfully. 2. If you know how to use and program the V.A.S.T. technollogy, you can get even better sounds than Yamaha Motif. 3. KDFX efx=the best!

  • @ifly65
    @ifly65 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for playing the mellotron sounds. I might pick one of these soon and I'm pleased with what I hear.

  • @MrStanq
    @MrStanq 11 років тому +1

    Done ! I like it very much, so nice sounds to play keys. Perfect companion for the Jupiter 80. Boths are killer synth for keyboard players.

  • @celvinrivera4110
    @celvinrivera4110 7 років тому +1

    GREAT VIDEO + MONSTER KEYBOARD I LOVE IT. sounds really good.

  • @MordeanGrey
    @MordeanGrey 12 років тому +1

    Nice! I picked up a PC3 last year and love the sound quality. Thanks for making a demo that shows a good variety of the sounds.
    I think the PC3 series is one of the best values available right now. The new PC3K series with sampling is great as well, but if you don't need the sampling and compatibility with older "K" series sounds, you can't go wrong with the PC3.
    They have the same sound patches and setups, but the PC3s can be found under $1,500 now since Kurzweil released the PC3K series.

  • @das250250
    @das250250 10 років тому +1

    I love the choice of songs ..every bit as good as the synth ...

  • @instrumentallife
    @instrumentallife 9 років тому +3

    Thank you for share this video with the sounds of the keyboard.This put in my way the good decision of buy it,and i do not regret.The sounds are just amazing,and i have to say that the hammonds sounds are one of the strong points of this keyboard.Just terrible sound.Difficult to program but once you get it it´s a world of possibilities.

  • @jagjenterprise
    @jagjenterprise 12 років тому

    Yes it is right for me! Thanks for the demo, I think it's the most comprehensive one I've seen so far.

  • @md65000
    @md65000 11 років тому +3

    1:20 I'm impressed that you "got" the name of the patch and knew exactly what to play!!

  • @osakaben10
    @osakaben10 11 років тому +1

    the "imagine" sound at about 2:30 was fantastic.

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  11 років тому +1

    Fantastic !!
    I hope you get your keyboard soon and Im sure you will like it very much........
    best of luck

  • @LCRLive687
    @LCRLive687 2 роки тому

    Such a unique sound characteristic. Nothing sounds so marvelously liquid 80s and 90s. Ths doesn't have that forward plastic to the sound like Roland does. This sounds like it has nice analog grit on softened digital ones.

  • @LeoGren
    @LeoGren 10 років тому +2

    Great video, thank you! Also, love the Steely Dan tune at 10:54! :)

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  3 роки тому

    Thank you Jim ! Its great that you found it of use, with this model being quite 'dated' now........ Best of Luck

  • @MrJmcortez
    @MrJmcortez 10 років тому +5

    Oh, me mataste con los sonidos de Supertramp, excelente.

  • @St_Modler
    @St_Modler 12 років тому +1

    @walt9427 In Kurzweil terminology a voice is called a program and a performance is called a setup. The PC3 can layer and/or split" up to 16 programs in each setup. A voice in the Motif XS can have up to 8 elements. In the PC3, a program can consist of up to 32 layers (a layer is roughly comparable to an element in the Motif, just even more advanced).

  • @user-KORG
    @user-KORG 2 роки тому +1

    Демо такого аппарата ни в п.зду,ни в красную армию! Стрёмно! Аппарат намного круче ,чем на видео!

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому +2

    @idunnia - Previously I only used weighted keybs (Yamaha) but there is NO problem with the semi-weighted on this - grew to love it really quickly, wouldnt really want fully weighted now. good luck.

  • @JoelCG
    @JoelCG 12 років тому

    Excellent demostration

  • @jimprescott4955
    @jimprescott4955 3 роки тому

    Thats the kind of synth demo I want to see. Thanks and it does sound good

  • @mysterio77690
    @mysterio77690 12 років тому +2

    that keyboard sounds good! mellotron 's sounds are great! also the strings!! It's such a shame Kurzweil products are so few sold in France...

  • @walt9427
    @walt9427 12 років тому +1

    @ModlerX Thank you for you response. I just brought a PC3 LE7 so waiting on it to arrive so I can compare it to the sound quality of my Motif XS8. I'm sure they are very different in sound quality both I think I have the best of both worlds now. IMO I think Yamaha and Kurzweil are the best out there.

  • @paddlehard5722
    @paddlehard5722 6 років тому +1

    Wish my Kurz had such a big screen.

  • @javiceres
    @javiceres 10 років тому +1

    If the LE edition sounds this good I must sell some superfluous gear and buy thi ASAP. To think that you have this mrvellous presets plus the whole VAST engine... Gorgeous tones and tunes in your video.
    Congrats!

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

      Ramon - I am sorry for the late reply. Actually the LE versions do NOT sound identical to this - I know this to my cost - I bought one then returned it. I beleive the core sounds are meant to be identical BUT the effects processing is not as complex that makes suprisingly big difference. I dont really recommend the LE versions if you really like quality sounds........

    • @javiceres
      @javiceres 9 років тому

      Thanks for the information, in addition to the demo !!
      Cheers!!

  • @PerryCallas
    @PerryCallas 9 років тому

    Thank you! Excellent video.

  • @AlexLaptschenko
    @AlexLaptschenko Рік тому

    It was a very nice Instrument

  • @SylvainMartelFairlight
    @SylvainMartelFairlight 12 років тому +4

    Not only do I love the sounds (currently waiting for my PC3LE7, it has practically all the same sounds and presets than the full PC3), but I love the songs you used in your demo! Is that a Fleetwood Mac song at 8:54 (the bass riff)?

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому +2

    Luigiperso - the SONY camcorder has camera tripod hole in bottom. I used a microphone stand with a gooseneck attachment then a "mic/camera" thread adaptor to attach the camcorder high up but looking straight down.... hope that helps......

  • @masonarchard
    @masonarchard 11 років тому

    thank you so much for the respond, been trying for the longest to figure out that Joe Jackson tune. love your music on that expensive board. (smile)!

  • @GabePickles3837
    @GabePickles3837 2 роки тому

    Nice! My most favorite sounds are at 2:35-2:55, 5:15-6:34, and 13:17-14:27. Also, the Jazzy Ballad Vox sound reminds me of the dream sequence from that one Rugrats episode, In the Dreamtime.

  • @holdsg
    @holdsg 12 років тому

    well done. I have a PC3LE7, I do the same thing when I have 20 spare minutes, just scrolling thru and trying new programs I haven't played yet.

  • @voicetube
    @voicetube 12 років тому +2

    22:35 one of the best KB patches E V A R!!

  • @musicbecker
    @musicbecker 12 років тому

    This will be my fav next keys!

  • @litteratus5845
    @litteratus5845 7 місяців тому

    the mellotron sounds: flutes, choir are truthfullness realistic

  • @MrStanq
    @MrStanq 11 років тому +1

    Very nice vid. Lot of work to incrust the lcd screen. Thanks a lot ! Is that standard presets from the PC3 ? Your presets ?

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому +1

    Thanks Joe !
    - and thanks to all for 47,000 hits !!

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  11 років тому +1

    Mason!
    Thank you so much. Sound #260 Brighter CP Tone I played melody from "Joe Jackson, 'Steppin' Out'" - its on you tube. Great jazzy romantic 1980s british pop tune........

  • @EvilDragon666
    @EvilDragon666 12 років тому

    Their next workstation will have bigger screen. You have to understand that when PC3 was in its beginnings Kurzweil were just 5 people, and it was supposed to be just a little bit upgraded PC2, carrying over the looks from K2600 but slimmed down. They used whatever resources they had at hand... and a shiny, flashy big touchscreen was not their priority at all.

  • @Jon_Mar
    @Jon_Mar 11 років тому +7

    Very high quality sound. Significantly exceeds the"PLASTIC" Kronos...

    • @snuppssynthchannel
      @snuppssynthchannel 4 роки тому +2

      The Kronos is a vastly superior instrument, for all the plastic sounds there are plenty of great sounds to counter those. Its the ultimate synth workstations with its 9 synth engines. Still, Kurzweil V.A.S.T is no joke either!

    • @HammadKhan-tl6bb
      @HammadKhan-tl6bb Рік тому

      @@snuppssynthchannel you said it very early, that person is dead or alive there is no update

    • @danaowens30
      @danaowens30 5 місяців тому

      Beleive it or not the Korg is Vastly a awesome sounding instrument the Kronos has its own HI synthesis sound killer on my M50 61 and the AI 2 SYNTHESIS SOUNDS AWESOME AS WELL. FM ENGINE IS GREAT TO HAVE AWM1 AWM2 I HAVE ALL SOUND SETS FOR ALL KEYBOARDS INCLUDING KURWEIL,YAMAHA, ALESIS,CASIOS, HAMMOND,SOUND CANVAS ROLAND YOU NAME IT KORG X3R NOT BAD OF SELECTIONS I HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM. ROLAND JV Sessions,SrJV08 Keyboards of the 60s and 70s too i got it all sets

  • @oysterlovers
    @oysterlovers 12 років тому

    Nice vid thanks !

  • @morrisman64
    @morrisman64 11 років тому

    Sounds good

  • @AlexLaptschenko
    @AlexLaptschenko 4 місяці тому

    thanks dude. I have the same tool. Do you have CORE64 as well?

  • @allanyamaha
    @allanyamaha 12 років тому

    awesome

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому

    I wish Kurzweil would come out with a new workstaion with large screen and more memory.
    Plus some sample feature to make your own samples.

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому

    Evaplavalaguna -Actually that one I just jammed it at the time.. it wasnt any particular tune that I know of....... thanks for your interest. AB

  • @Erwin90125
    @Erwin90125 12 років тому +1

    16 sounds of 32 layers = 512 sound at one time!

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому +1

    mysterio77690 - "Im not in love" by 10cc !

  • @patrykwalentowicz2959
    @patrykwalentowicz2959 3 роки тому

    I have IT😃.It's nice

  • @organeu
    @organeu 12 років тому

    very very good keyboard, only one instrument not good: HAMMOND sound, all the rest very perfect.

  • @gareebee
    @gareebee 12 років тому +1

    Now if I could only hear the rest of the mellotrons... :)

  • @davidsalomon1484
    @davidsalomon1484 4 роки тому

    Thnk U

  • @evaplavalaguna
    @evaplavalaguna 12 років тому

    then your jam sounds nice sir!

  • @vanmusicproduction
    @vanmusicproduction 10 років тому +1

    always wanted kurzweil keyboard love its piano sounds like the best in the game but iam done with buying equipment i have a great set up enought power check my vids to see me in action

  • @idunnia
    @idunnia 12 років тому

    Thank you for the responses nanoholic and burgemusic :) I'm looking for a piano that can emulate many instruments for studio applications. Well, as long as you can find the sounds listed in the manual with the search function that's the important thing. As to the big numbers or good sounds, why settle for just the one? Hehe, I want it all!
    Btw, I was thinking about going for the PC3 rather than the PC3x to save some money - do any of you have comments on the feel of the semi-weighted action?

  • @nanoholic
    @nanoholic 12 років тому +1

    @arnstein86
    Unfortunately, some sounds do not appear in the list. For example, sounds like GM Aplaus or helicopter or gunshot .... For one year I thought that they are not there, but they are! New OS 2.03 has 1,086 programs - the last number is 4223 and it is confusing!

  • @cleifeitosa9529
    @cleifeitosa9529 7 років тому

    7:36 Nothing compares to you

  • @AlexLaptschenko
    @AlexLaptschenko 2 місяці тому

    What's better Pc3k or PC3A in the practical reality?

  • @АлександрЛапченко-н4е

    Hi if you ll show how to record to USB drive. Thanks.

  • @juanroca6966
    @juanroca6966 9 років тому +1

    The first song" I am not in Love " not the real chords.....but cool demos and great sounds

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  11 років тому +1

    Mr Stanq - all the sounds are standard presets included with the PC3 !
    The very first sound is a 'collection' of standard presets that I stored together - but again all sounds you hear come default with the keyboard - thanks for yr comments.

  • @GrzegorzPreysing
    @GrzegorzPreysing 11 років тому

    Very nice)

  • @mysterio77690
    @mysterio77690 12 років тому

    supertramp whurl!!! A W E S O M E!!! the rest of the sounds is marvellous too!

  • @wellingtonmoreira1076
    @wellingtonmoreira1076 3 роки тому

    A kurzweill tem excelentes sons mais seus timbres de piano se assemelham demais,e parece nunca inovar,mais sejamos sinceros é um sr.teclado.

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому +1

    Can you sample sounds with the PC3K8

  • @kenyee88
    @kenyee88 10 років тому

    very nicely done...is this the PC3LE6?

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

      actually PC3 76 note - see above comments the LE versions are NOT identical in sound.

  • @douglaswilliams8336
    @douglaswilliams8336 6 років тому

    I see that the big K has done some serious work with maybe Borg Algorithms in the drawbar sounds. I was looking at some thing about Quantum Theory when I heard the fellow do a sweep with an organ+distortion+fast Leslie patch. nice. I like the cachet of owning a Big K keyboard, but I'm a Chancel Musician at a southern black gospel church. with no Hammond. I'd consider buying my own but the organ patch's must be pristine, superb believable. the other sounds are quite serviceable but its the drawbar sounds that would get the most workout and most notice from me as well as the other heart eating musicians. they would have to stand on their own without other instruments to mask then. can this synth do it?? do you have more uploads that I may hear more. I'd prefer just 2 K's to cover all sounds. I know they more then hold their own without qualifiers,but the drawbar sounds is my main concern. what say you Sir? a rather creamy upload btb. my thanks

  • @fabioage1
    @fabioage1 12 років тому

    crazy

  • @burgemusic
    @burgemusic  12 років тому +2

    Thanks everyone for your responses - glad its helped some of you !
    @arnstein ~ yes I agree about 1000 programs ~ I have seen some with 4000 series numbers when I used the 'search' function - but theres not that many seperate programs - anyway - do you make music with big numbers ? - or with good sounds ? !!

  • @masonarchard
    @masonarchard 11 років тому

    what was the name of the piece you played with the brighter cp tone. i appreciate any reply, great playing!

  • @arnstein86
    @arnstein86 12 років тому

    I'm confused: In the musician's guide for pc3 available at kurzweil.com it says that there are 4223 programs, but at 17:38 in your video it seems like it's only 1024. Where are the rest of the programs (some of which are important for my wanting to buy a pc3x)? Can anyone clarify this?

  • @javiceres
    @javiceres 11 років тому

    Ole!

  • @T4Cification
    @T4Cification 9 років тому +1

    I am on the look out for a workstation and was wondering is this a rompler like many are, or is it acting on waveforms etc...i'd rather an instrument that I can tweak and create my own sounds with

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

      T4C This model (PC3 76note) is not a ROMpler - but other versions that DO do that are in the Kurzweil range...........
      best of luck

  • @organeu
    @organeu 9 років тому +1

    Actually this keyboard is rather impressive! Excellent sounds which remind me legendary DX7 Yamaha. Is the touch really heavy? It would seem that the mechanics is of origin FATAR (ITALIA) ? HAMMOND sounds are mediocre, may be they would be better by connecting this keyboard to the real one LESLIE.
    What is the origin of manufacturing ?

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

      Thanks Eric. The keyboard is a FATAR TP8. No it has quite a light touch! You can get other versions with fully weighted keyboard if you prefer. Lots of info on the KURZWEIL web site. I believe they are manufactured in Taiwan. Good Luck....

  • @tehwildfire2000
    @tehwildfire2000 10 років тому

    It sounds so good. Its just to bad that they cost so much I need more money.

  • @acbyoutube9252
    @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

    Jeff - Hi there, Actually it is a PC3-76 ie a bit older than then the "K" models - Since making this I now have a PC3K6 - and all the same sounds you hear here are in there too for sure. THANK YOU to all for the great comments this video has had. Seasons greetings!

  • @dirklentfer383
    @dirklentfer383 4 роки тому

    My Kurzweil PC 2X doesn't seem to have most these sounds or do they ?

  • @walt9427
    @walt9427 12 років тому

    Can someone tell me how many sounds can be layer and played at one time on the PC3. I have a Motif XS8 and I can layer 4 different sounds at once in performance mode. I am looking at getting one of these but need to know if it is able to layer sounds. I love the sound it is not as warm as my Motif XS8 but that is great because my Roland KC-550 has to much punch to go along with my Motif and its very warm sound. Thinking this PC3 will balance and sound better from what I am hearing from it now.

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому

    Have you tried out the new KORE 64 from Kurzweil on your system yet.

  • @mysterio77690
    @mysterio77690 12 років тому

    hi! i cant remember the name of the song you play at the beginning! nice sounds in the whole!

  • @RosarioDiLeo
    @RosarioDiLeo Рік тому

    Is it PC3 K8 or A8?

  • @555ontario
    @555ontario 6 років тому

    Do you remember what firmware was installed for these sounds? I realize this video was made over 6 years ago but was just wondering whether these would be the original stock sounds or updated. Sounds pretty good to me.

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 6 років тому +1

      Robert A. - Its not easy for me to check that (!!) but I am certain these were stock sounds - the keyboard did have the "KORE64" expansion but if you look at the preset numbers in the video inset Im not really using that bank. Ill stick my neck out and "guarantee" that what you hear is included on any PC3K keyboard !

    • @555ontario
      @555ontario 6 років тому

      Thanks. I'm looking at the original PC3 which someone is selling which is why I asked about the sounds. I was wondering if the basic model had those sounds as this board he has only has the first firmware in it. I guess you have traded up to the PC3k. I'm pretty sure once updated, even without Kore64, it should have most, if not all of those sounds.

    • @burgemusic
      @burgemusic  6 років тому

      my bad! this video is of a "PC3 76" i think they called it NOT a PC3K which, yes, I later obtained.... and that PC3 didnt not have any expansions or updates added - good luck on your purchase....

    • @555ontario
      @555ontario 6 років тому

      Thanks very much. There was a velocity issue with one key and hopefully it's only a contact replacement fix. Just got it and sent it to sick bay lol. Will also update to the most recent firmware while it's there. Cheers.

  • @wackenthaljef
    @wackenthaljef 9 років тому

    Mr burgemusic,is it a pc3k8?

  • @LuisBarbozaJack
    @LuisBarbozaJack 12 років тому

    Interesting and beautiful tones! ... As I write,,,, 779 Scat Vocals ... oh!
    Lindos e Interessantes timbres!...enquanto escrevo,,,,779 Scat Vocals...oh!

  • @loicduffar
    @loicduffar 8 років тому

    HI,
    Please what is the very well knowed tune at 00:50 ?
    Thanks for the demo, I look for what model to buy

    • @marioleonora5682
      @marioleonora5682 8 років тому

      Or A Whiter Shade of Pale by Procol Harum...

    • @loicduffar
      @loicduffar 8 років тому

      No for sure, as "@ACB UA-cam" said, the 00:50 tune is Bach's "Air on G String". www.8notes.com/scores/9752.asp
      But the chords progression is quite similar as "A Whiter Shade of Pale". Amanzing.

    • @marioleonora5682
      @marioleonora5682 8 років тому

      strictly speaking you are perfectly right.

  • @GabrieleTofi1
    @GabrieleTofi1 12 років тому

    What's the song that starts at 2:55? Fuck, i don't remember...
    However, great synth and great playing. I'm looking for an used PC361, I hope someone would like to sell his one :)

  • @szymono7
    @szymono7 12 років тому

    Hello
    What is the song at 12:50?

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому

    Have you ever played a Nord Stage 2.

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому

    Why would you buy a Kurzweil over a Motif XF8?????

  • @alphasxsignal
    @alphasxsignal 12 років тому +1

    Im sure the Motif XF8 can produce the same sounds with all of its third party sounds
    and Ipad control and 2 Gigs of flash memorey.
    Kurzweil need to get a new model out with more memory.

  • @rikihartop
    @rikihartop 10 років тому

    Is this the 76 key or the 88 key?
    Just looking at the keybed action

    • @acbyoutube9252
      @acbyoutube9252 9 років тому

      It is the 76 note version of PC3.......

  • @evaplavalaguna
    @evaplavalaguna 12 років тому

    what is the song at 05:25 ??

  • @jwillis35
    @jwillis35 12 років тому +1

    Not a bad board, but the Korg M3 Xpanded sounds are better in many areas, and the Korg has way more features. The sequencer on the PC3 is just outdated and difficult to navigate with that old screen. The Yamaha Motif is also a fantastic board that I think is way ahead of this thing. Kurzweil is still good, but they fell behind. Let's see what their next move is. I know they can build a beast.

  • @user-KORG
    @user-KORG 2 роки тому +1

    Почему дрожит дисплей?

  • @GrzegorzPreysing
    @GrzegorzPreysing 12 років тому

    Beautiful sound.
    Sell Korg M3
    G. PreySING

  • @israelfwm
    @israelfwm 8 років тому

    Hey buddy, whats is the exactly model of this keyboard? There are plenty of versions. Is there any kantele or autoharp sound to play Alan Parsons Project or something like that? Thank you!

    • @burgemusic
      @burgemusic  8 років тому +1

      Israel- it is a "PC3 - 76 note model" They just called 'em "PC3" back then.
      The current equivalent would be PC3K7.
      Be wary of the "LE" series - I tried one and they do NOT sound as good.
      Sorry but I cant give you a good answer on the other question!
      best of luck
      AL

    • @israelfwm
      @israelfwm 8 років тому

      I can get that Wurlitzer sound like the Alan Parsons Project live (in this days)?? Sounds like a Wurlitzer from Korg Tritton X Pro!

    • @dynamitekid8967
      @dynamitekid8967 7 років тому

      burgemusic which is better the Kurzweil PC3K8 or the Korg Kronos 2 2015 model 88 keys, or compare Yamaha Motif FX8 or Kurzweil PC3K8? Thanks. hope you can do all 3 side by side. Thanks.

    • @burgemusic
      @burgemusic  7 років тому

      Israel, The model name is simply "Kurzweil PC3" and mine was the 76 note version. It is not made anymore. The PC3K7 is the equivalent. I dont own it anymore so cant give advice on individual sounds Im sorry !!
      best of luck

    • @burgemusic
      @burgemusic  7 років тому +1

      Hi Dynamite - Sorry I cant be of much help there - I have never had the chance to side by side compare with either of those keyboards.
      Choosing between different manufacturers is VERY personal anyway - even if I said one was "better" - it might not be what YOU think !! Best of luck