Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance - Satan Hard (No DLC/NG+)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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Okay for real though, this was a pain in the ass to do. I don't even know if there is any other way to beat him on Hard specifically. The main issue is his Megido Ark skill which from my knowledge is a guaranteed ohko if you have 3 demons on the field, so either you fight the boss solo for minimum damage from Megido Ark or you make a situation where he doesn't get to use it at all. He only uses Megido Ark in his final press turn when he gets to act again, this is significant because if he were to lose press turns before for any reason it would never reach to him again to use Megido Ark. This is why we have Luminescent Mirage which makes Nahobino guaranteed to dodge the first attack he is hit with. Because of this, he loses 2 press turns and doesn't get to act again later. Although if you are hit with Figment Slash which Arahabaki and Ganesha love to use (and rarely miss????), it is guaranteed crit which offsets the turns he lost and can use Megido Ark. To prep for that scenario we have to have Enduring Soul on everyone and hope that he doesn't use it on the same demon whom he hit on turn 1. And since we are using Luminescent Mirage, the best move to go for is Paraselene Blur since it is the strongest DPS Nahobino has access to with the caveat that it can only be used if you evaded an attack the turn before. That's not an issue since we are guaranteed to evade one attack due to Luminescent Mirage. The idea is to then setup 6 acting turns to do massive burst damage with Paraselene Blur.
We need Beelzebub's trait to do double debuff using debilitate. Baal's trait gives you an extra full press turn when the opponent uses any debuffs, this is a massive wincon that can be helpful during the burst turn. Norn's and Dis's trait allows them to get withdrawn to stock on their turn without consuming any press turns. Although this didn't come into use in my run, but Mithras' trait allows him to give a free +1 buff to all stats once he is summoned.
The way you get the burst damage turn is either opponent uses debilitate which activates Baal's trait or Nahobino dodges twice (one is guaranteed, other is rng). I had to wait till he absorbs Kaiwan so he gets a Light weakness and then you see what's in the video. You can do this earlier as well if you get both of them at the same time giving you 7 turns to work with (here you would need to change Baal after using Omagatoki Charge to Mithras to get the buff to offset the debilitate) but I went with the more consistent strat.
The "We have Beast Eye at home" strat strikes again!
That's actually pretty accurate lmao.
Great video/technique. Really enjoyed the watch
Honestly SMT5's innate skills really push this game to new heights. I've seen so many different strats on how to deal with the superbosses taking advantage of them. I managed to beat this boss on hard with no NG+ today.
My team was Protag, Cu Chulainn, Scathach and Konohana Sakuya.
Cu was in slot 1, and his job was to just constantly crit with gae bolg with both force pleromas, critical zealot and high restore. He was also responsible for using the combo ability raging whirlwind which does pretty good damage and nukes offense/defense. I used this instead of debilitate and I have to say it was pretty reliable
Konohona was slot 2, basically just heal botting and passing. Occassionally using a fire move or a gem for press turns
Scathach was slot 3, her job was to just spam figment slash on the boss or minions. Her passive that makes her moves never miss if Cu is in the party is insanely good and is probably why I was able to win using this team. Full phys set up as well, crit zealot both phys pleromas etc. She also had impalers in case of phys resist
Protag was in 4th slot and his main job was purely casting Mirage and not much else, I built him with a phys figment slash build but he couldn't hit Satan reliably so I used him to weaken the minions. Him being in fourth meant if he got a 2nd turn and missed right at the end, it didn't matter since it was only one turn anyway.
And lastly I had Michael in my stock for the emergency case of Satan absorbing someone with big bang, I'd have cu switch out then use god's shield.
@@blackquill9776 Nice strat!
Finally, a real fight on Hard. Thanks for upload
Very well done fight. Since others are sharing their strategies, I think I’ll tell the one I used to beat him.
My main demons were Konohana Sakuya, Panagaia Yoko and the Demi Fiend.
Sakuya is basically Idun on steroids and can more than sustain everyone’s MP for most of the fight.
Yoko is basically Tao but actually good. Her skill is a slightly weaker Tandava which causes Debilitate AND Dekaja. Great for constantly applying debuffs and getting rid of Satan’s buffs if he uses Fairy Banquet.
Lastly I mainly used Demi Fiend for guaranteed crits with Deadly Fury and Chaotic Will to half Satan’s turns. Oh and Gaea Rage on Omogatoki Critical turns
As for Bino, I had a standard Murakumo build with Luminescent Mirage and Intercalation. For whatever reason using Luminescent Mirage completely dumpsters Satan’s AI and he’ll never use Megido Ark. And Intercalation ensures an extra action when I dodge.
Seems interesting! But I did this fight before Demi-fiend and even Shiva lol. When I was doing this fight, it was still proof of concept strategies until I saw him plunder Kaiwan and thought of the current one.
you can replace impaler's glory for omnipotent succession, it works just fine.
@@J.aime_le_pain181 Omnipotent Succession would actually do more damage with my strat. But obviously this was when I was still trying to figure this fight out so I wanted to get the pierce effect from glory since satan drains light naturally.
Wait, so in all your testing he never used Megido Ark as his first action? He did that plenty of times to me, even in my kill. It feels like there has to be something triggering him to do that.
Oh, also, was him eating Kaiwan there RNG, or does he just always eat the right one when he insta eats after summon?
I've always left him a demon to eat, so I never saw him instantly eat.
Yes he never used Megido Ark as his first action. It may be that using Luminescent Mirage makes him do that because he may think that if he targets Nahobino, it will miss. But once that wears off after an attack, he can just use it without any issues.
@@Canivir In my testing if he is about to plunder his demon in the next turn but you kill both of them just before it, then he'll summon the next set and immediately plunder one of them. Him plundering Kaiwan was just rng though, many times he ate Kumbhanda instead. If that happens then you stall a little bit more.
@@DebeshMishra03in my testing he has to plunder every other summon rotation, if you kill every summon twice he’ll just instantly plunder the third time, kill timing didn’t seem to have much to do with it, I would drop one of his allies (generally picking the preferred affinities/easier magatsuhi skills to deal with) and make sure he plunders them at low hp to minimize the healing
@@fakeN31337Very possible, it's just my attempts were normally like this so probably that's why I thought the way I did.
broooo that was so clean
Thanks!
I fought him few days ago on Godborn Hard difficulty with Demi Fiend on the team.
Damn, hopefully it's not too hard haha.
They really said hold my beer after demi-fiend
I thought megido ark only triggers if you're above 4 stages of buffs or debuffs on all targets (you can fully debuff satan but not satan and his adds), on my clear i've maintained myself at +1 on all buffs and stuck to either -1 on all debuffs or -2 atk/def and never saw him cast megido ark after the first cast, as soon as the debuffs would even go to -5 (-2 atk/def and -1 evasion) he'd immediately go for megido ark
That may be the case, I'm not sure so can't completely discount it.
Finally a strat that uses demons i can get from law route vengence, i gotta try this
@@azure4622 I think the only demons exclusive to chaos vengeance is Innana and Yoko. Not sure if they are actually that good here, maybe Yoko is for debuffing but Beelzebub is better.
@@DebeshMishra03how do ypu get masakado in vengeance?
@@ghoulishgoober3122 You don't in a new game file. You need to beat him in the creation path and then you can fuse him in the vengeance path in the new game plus.
@@DebeshMishra03belial is also chaos exclusive and is used to debuff defense with omagatoki strategize
@@KishinAubrey yeah I mentioned specifically for vengeance chaos. Belial is exclusive to creation chaos.
good job man. I don't have much time to play but I was thinking of trying to beat him with a support build and without using guaranteed dodge (not trying to minimize your strat, the damage turn setup was beautiful). I was thinking using zeus for single target damage, yoko for debuff + aoe damage, and demeter for magic damage + overheal. Nahobino would be full vitality and using kannabi veil to survive megido ark and would use revival chant to bring back demons in 1 turn. The issue would maybe be damage being too low and therefore going OOM, but maybe using energy drain would solve this? Or farming incenses for zeus dmg.
Good luck with that. I don't think the issue will be that you don't have the damage output, I think the issue will be that even through Kannabi you'll be taking a lot of damage and potential ohkoes from Megido Ark.
How did you get him to plunder the same turn he calls allies? and is it 50/50 that he picks kaiwan?
@@JeSSuspiria If you kill his minions then his Magatsuhi Plunder turn gets delayed but doesn't get skipped. It's still not documented by how much it gets delayed but if you manage to kill his minions twice in a row then he'll consume the third set immediately after summoning. It's 50/50 on whom he chooses however.
@@DebeshMishra03 thanks I actually beat him using your method, but I didn't skip the second plunder. I tried to kill the other demon so he had to plunder kaiwan, but I got lucky and he chose him after I didn't do enough damage.
How did he never heal? I get him down to like half and he pops back up?
Well I don't know if he is supposed to heal when he goes to half. The only time he healed for me was when he plundered Hariti whose racial magatsuhi skills fully heals HP and MP. That's why it is a priority to kill her first. Regardless my strategy didn't allow him to heal because I burst him down from i think 80ish percent.
Now do a 150 god born fight with only level 99 team 😂😂😂😂😂
Huge
ure a beast
Thanks!
I've had him Megido Ark on his first action a bunch, it's been less than great :/
The luminiscent mirage thing almost seems like an oversight. I mean satan could use megido ark on ally demons right? The megidoloan barely does 300-400 damage while losing two press turns and it kinda feels like the repel phys strat for demifiend on base smt v.
Well im not complaining, tanking megido ark is a pain in the ass.
I'm pretty sure it was done so that you couldn't cheese it using mirage + taunt strats. The Devs wanted Megido Ark to be actually unavoidable lol.
Could Impaler’s Glory also be paired with Omnipotent Succession to maximize damage or do they not stack?
They won't stack. Both are considered as a charge effect.
That's awesome
Question, do you know the exact multiplier of Impaler's Glory?
Yes it's 3.6x
@@DebeshMishra03 thank you, I have an idea now.
Very awesome strat, I think I'll adapt it in my own way to get godborn in ng
@@DebeshMishra03 really? i think its already been nerfed, thats why my max yoshit on 1st run dont do dmg:(
@@xcezz7979 Impalers glory may be different than Impalers animus, as glory is a Magatsuhi skill
@@PianoCrab ahh i forgot, which race hold it?
How you unlock the baal fusion?
You need to do the Demeter quest lines. The third quest in that is to fight Baal. Defeating him unlocks him for fusion.
@@DebeshMishra03 I've already completed all of Demeter's missions, but I still don't know how to fuse Baal, is it a normal fusion?
@@juanlealmedina8719 Yeah I believe so. In case of any doubts, use the fusion calculator by aqui
How do you have 6 press turns?
I explained in description on how my strategy works!
How did you farm so many aiding sutras?
Didn't really have to go out of my way to grind. Just speak with your navigators often and they find you stuff. I was getting those stuff even in the first area.