Test Bench from USA vs China - HighSpeed PC Top Deck Tech Station and QDIY PC-D008
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To get a bit of a discussion going, which test bench would you go for, and why?
I would go for chinese because it more sturdier and it has lots more stuff you can do with it
D008 is what id go for, cable management is nice to have & those long metal screws looks better then the plastic stuff that looks like its from a plastic cutting board.
Kind of have a self made test bench from an older compaq tower from 2002 most panels were pretty much removable so its fairly bare bones & 5.25 bay can also rotate the drives so it works as a desktop pc.
I find things that I don't like in both, and to be honest, I wouldn't buy neither one of them. I consider them both pricey, and both are flawed, at least regarding my criteria. Though, I consider the QDIY is a better option overall.
For "quick and dirty" I'd just go the loose (motherboard box) route, while for a semi-permanent (card tester), there doesn't seem to much advantage (and certainly more cost) compared to a cheap case with the side left open.
I know some people run a permanent testbench / skeleton / open setup, but personally, the Cougar Conquer is the pug-ugliest thing I've ever seen
The Chinese one seems well designed. I would even go further and use a no-slip drawer mat (similar to the rubber mat the HighSpeed has) and ignore using the mounting brackets for the power and drives. Also, once you screw in 2 screws on opposite sides for the motherboard, you don't need to do anymore. With these two things in mind, I don't see the HighSpeed one being "faster."
I started watching your channel when you made the 10 reasons p4 for windows 98, and so happy at your progress. You were using motherboard boxes as test benches, and now you got sponsors, other big youtubers like LGR commenting on your vids. Goodluck for 2018, hopefully you reach 1 million subscribers.
Thank you Adam! I still use motherboard boxes, nothing comes close in terms of speed :D
S P E E D !
HOLY-COW! Being in the US, I cannot recommend getting the QDIY just for the price alone. The cheapest I can find is AliExpress (link in description) for $53 USD but $47 USD for shipping. Other sellers sell them for $200 USD! (Performance PCs, modDIY, FrozenCPU) I can get a steel Lian Li test bench for $100 with some nice features too. I'm thinking that the QDIY is less of a test bench and more of the base of a custom acrylic case. They sell different acrylic side panels to attach to this thing.
Heh, when I was younger I was convinced computer components in the future would come with a built in cover, and you would just snap them together like lego. I'm still waiting lol.
I had a nice steel motherboard tray that I just drilled some holes in and riveted some rubber feet on it. It's got all I need and it looks nice :)
Pretty much what I did except that I put legs on mine and connected it to a metal baking sheet
Oh sweet, my Top Deck Tech Station is arriving today!
Cool, do let us know how you find it :D
I have the china one. All I did is replace the standoffs with similar standoff with the US one.
A very tidy for quick testing mobos, gpu addons cards. The psu and drives are permanent with psu seasonic 800watt and ssd with win10.
Definitely heaven sent for computer shops for quick testing
I made my own PC test bench out of pine wood. Made a few design flaws, however, it still works pretty well for swapping out parts. Keep up the great videos!
LOl, I feel so stupid. I though that you've builded your test bench yourself all those years.
I had no idea they sold this just, haha.
I never really thought about it:D
I like the QDIY PC-D008 best but will prob do some diy rubber feed for mb. Nice video again m8
Thanks!
Nice, finally get to know what test bench that is :), good review!
I gave up after answering 30 "what is this test bench" questions :P Now at least I can link a vid :D
Between those two I would go with the Top Deck because it is designed to swap out hardware quickly. However, I would probably just cut up an old PC case and use that as a test bench.
Thanks for sharing. Nice compare
4 years ago I bought a QDIY PC-D008. I bought it instead of a computer case. a good open stand.
I currently use a 1956 Pontiac shop manual as my "test bench." It holds the board being tested high enough off the work bench for the mounting brackets on the plug-in cards to hang down, and it supports the entire motherboard so that it doesn't flex when plugging in cards, RAM, power connectors, etc. Of course, this doesn't address the problem of where to put the HDD/optical drive and PSU, but I have plenty of work space.
I was using a phone book, but I was a bit concerned about giving away my location during live streams.
Left one (Top Deck) is awesome as you can replace motherboard on it in seconds - just unscrew 2 screws and that's it. If you have one motherboard for a long time it's better to use some sturdier ones, like QDIY one or Lian Li PC-T60. Also Top Decks are known for a problems with ESD. I didn't have them, but I heard of couple boards dying due to that. Also Top Deck have issues with some VGA cards, as they don't have clearance for plastic support.
Wow, I didn't realize how over priced they are. I wouldn't go for either. I find it insulting they are charging as much as actual cases. Generally for the same price or cheaper you get a nice case with multiple fans and rgb. The US version looks especially cheap and I always assumed it was $50 or less.
Fair comment. I think it comes down to numbers sold of cases vs test benches. Other test benches cost even more, these are really some of the cheapest ones. For what I do a case is just way too much hassle, but I do get your point of view.
You make a good point and that is something I thought about until ikea was mentioned and I realized how much of an ikea type product the US version was.They actually have a small shelf that looks suspiciously like the US version. I love the videos btw.
Michael Hatch For the same price you can buy a Deepcool EarlKase Rgb.. with free prime shipping.. you could even buy a Deepcool Tesseract and mod it into a test bench easily.
Great comparison video! :-) I have an Asrock formula, 3.1 2011-3 X99 EXTENDED ATX board. Will that work with one of these being a slightly larger board than an ATX?
Good explain and show down
Thank you!
Hi Phill. Please, were dis you buy this banchs? I cant find them on Amazon. Thanks.
This is better than My Mate Vince!
Computers vs. Consoles
I like the China model. Just get standoffs with round nuts on top and you can swap the board as easy as usual.
I vote for the D008. The mounting for the optical drive and the power supply is fine. I guess that you dont change both to often.
True, you can just leave in there for all the builds.
Up until about 14:47 I thought you'd filmed the assembly of one test bench, and then the other. But you had two sets of the exact same components!
Personally I prefer the Top Deck, as the whole point of a test bench to me is the ability to swap hardware out quickly.
Even with all of the mounting solutions on the D008, I'd still be wary of jostling it too much.
I use one that came with my motherboard. It's made of cardboard and doesn't need any screws or anything.
Yes, it is a motherboard box :D
They both look really nice But it's too bad We don't have a Phil's computer Lab Test benchThat would definitely be cool
Hi Phil, Does any of these test benches fit the old AT motherboard?
It seems strange to me that I find that the Chinese test bench seems to be better for use as a testbench for modern hardware. My reasoning is that generally you would be likely to re-use the same PSU, optical drive and hard drive/SSD for each lot of hardware on test. The main downside is the traditional spacer and screw in combo for attaching the motherboard. To me it makes more sense when building a test bench to invert the spacers so that you would simply be placing the motherboard over the spacer threads for faster hardware changes, just having a couple mounted in the standard manner (for instance at opposing corners) would be absolutely fine for securing a motherboard. One thing I would change from this kit is to change from regular screws for mounting the motherboard to thumb screws - being tool free just saves time and effort.
Also having the switching pre-installed on the bench itself is neat, it is just one less thing that you can lose. In the use case here where there are a lot of systems using either IDE or SATA I would want to load up an extra caddy tray so that when you switch to between vintage and modern hardware rather than taking the tray out, removing old drives and installing new drives before sliding the caddy back in you would just slide the old caddy out and then the new one in.
I think that if you need a more permanent build, you might as well use a regular case, which also protects the electronic components. The quick one is still useful, though!
I'd vote for D008. Looks better equipped and is cheaper. I just hate the plastic beam on the Top Deck. I would also not worry about the possibility of dropping a screw while the machine is running. I usually change stuff only in off state anyway. Never did anything screw-wise on a running PC.
Thanks Phil , I like Both but from a cost standpoint , here in the U.S. i would go with the Top Deck. so far i just use an old case or the Motherboard box
Cheers.
Where are the processors? XD
I personally have the Open Benchtable, as i do switch hardware quite often for benching. My personal rig is on a case, however i do tend to test a lot of CPUs and video cards, and needed some sturdy test bench setup, especially since my cooler choice is the Thermalright TRUE Copper, which alone weighs 1900g. The OBT is a very sturdy yet lightweight test bench.
If i were to pick between those two, i think i'd go with the Tech Station, just because of the sturdiness it has, but i'd replace the PCI-E holder with a metal bar or something better. I love the QDIY PCI-E holding mechanism tho, it seems to be very similar to the one in my OBT and it is a well made mechanism.
Ah, nice bench, I've seen that OBT before and I think Linus uses it?
Yup, i saw it used on the Titan V video today.
Definately over priced on both, but ideal for those that do multiple system reviews a day and have sponsors that have paid for them or was given free for a review itself, but as an individual... i like the "Top Deck" version for the quicker build, but would love to see a hybrid from both of these combined.
Thanks Phil. I'm in the market for a test bench. The cheaper one gets my vote. I like the standoffs, and quality of the HighSpeed, but I'd rather save myself a few bucks and go with the QDIY.
Thanks :D
Did you ever see that mini itx test bench that looks like a "spider" from Lian Li. A spider with 4 legs, heh. I think it was the PC-T1R model. Came out several years ago. It did seem a bit over the top and was fairly expensive at the time.
I think Lian Li also released another test bench not too long ago, the PC-T70. Can accomodate up to EATX motherboards. I wanted a test bench before, but couldn't justify the price as I don't change out components that often and I do have extra cases sitting around.
Yea all these test benches cost premium dollar. I often just use a motherboard box, I mostly use these benches for the videos, they are just neater and better looking :)
Did you just use an IDE cable? Wowza
I think that if you turn around the optical drive mount it will be easier to use the system and, as its aligned towards the back of the bench it will ensure space to open de optical drive tray. Maybe give it a try and tell us what you think.
Best regards from Brazil.
Yea there are lots of options. This is my current DOS build. I use it for my sound card reviews, and maybe other, future projects: twitter.com/philscomputerlb/status/940484220513689600
Are there mATX test benches available?
I like the Chinese one better; looks far more professional, and I don't like the card tilt on the Top Deck...I know it's not _that_ much of an issue, but I still don't like it. In addition, the integrated front panel buttons on the D008 makes it a bit more convenient, and the fact that it _does_ include so many extras means that you have more options in how you want to set your test bench set up. And I like my options when it comes to computer equipment. I don't personally mind having to take a few extra minutes to set something up.
Great feedback. They do have other stations, and some are uATX, but not like this one. AFAIK this one only comes in an even larger size, EATX.
Found it 😊
Both are too expensive for what they are ....DIY is way to go.
Nice video phil ;) I use my homemade test bench from motherboard tray ;) i think that both of those test benches are overpriced...
Or make one from an old case and some screws and a baking pan for the bottom for less than $20
Or how about just using an obsolete PC for no money
QDIY D008S costs 328 Yuan($52)(ATX)/398 Yuan($63)(EATX) in China on Taobao.com, a website just like eBay, BUT on the same website with the same brand you can find some cheaper test benches, which cost about 200 Yuan or $32
i need a Test Bench lol
I've built my own, from an old case.
Y'all are so fancy, I just hook it all up on a workbench :(
my actual test-bench is a cardboard box (quite small to be honest, it's largest surface is smaller than the surface of an atx board and also of a micro atx board) it's only aim at the moment is to keep isolated the electronics from the desk surface, i'd like to get something better, but actually there not cheap options, like i am looking for, but i can consider an investment because i do a lot of test-bench stuff, if you know anything that will ship to Italy and it's cheap and quite durable, let me know
Step 1: Buy the cheapest and shittiest PC case possible that has some half decent cable management
Step 2: buy a hacksaw
Step 3: cut up the case into a test bench
Step 4: Profit?
i know that way, but i just like to have a standard test bench i am not so good in modding and disassembling stuff
Where's that nice black and yellow PhilsComputerLab test bench for this vs video? It could have been USA v China v Australia.
I don't know if I'd go for either. Everything just sits there with the HighSpeed, just waiting to slide off. With the QDIY, switching back and forth from different board layouts looks to be troublesome. You have to move the standoffs around for ATX and Mini-ATX and if that base board is plastic, you'll eventually strip the holes for the stand-offs. If I had to choose, I'd go with the HighSpeed but only after adding something to hold stuff in place underneath and doing something about that expansion card bar.
You can replace a few of the rubber things with standoffs on the Top Deck, but not all of them. The black and yellow thing is my own creation, and cost much more than these, can you believe it? Because it is custom and gets built in the US.
Where is your philscomputerlab branded open bench?
That's my own creation, you can't buy it anywhere :)
DIYPC is hard to beat for the price.
A variant of PC-D008, the PC-D008s comes with optional acrylic panels on Taobao for ~50USD - given the much more efficient logistics I can get from Taobao to my location, I'll definitely go for that one.
PS: It seems that QDIY has an even cheaper version called YJ-ZJM08 (sub-10 USD) without dedicated layer for PSUs?
I heard of Taobao, what is it? How does one access it?
China's domestic edition - or more specifically, the origin - of AliExpress.
Most sellers on Taobao don't ship worldwide, some surely does that however. I dunno if there is package transferring companies that does business from here to worldwide; if there is, it's definitely going to be a bargain if you get Chinese products in bulk and import them in one go.
This is better than My Mate vince
I built one myself, mostly from left over parts. It kost me only a few euro's.
I always thought test benches were a waste of time myself. I always threw my parts out on a dielectric mat and was done with it. Throwing everything on a test bench always took too much time back when I used to build computers regularly. (Then again test benches weren't really a thing back then were they?)
Yea, for me it's also about the aesthetics, shooting videos, and making it look a bit nicer and all of that :)
That Chinese one looks really nice but I don't like the way the test bed flexes. That's a big negative on an otherwise great setup.
Does it accept AT motherboards?
Uploading at 8pm? Must have been busy shopping or something.
Great video! i really liked the QDIY, all it needs to be perf for me is to buy some standoffs that have pins in them on ebay, instead of screws. i need a permanent motherbard testing bench and that looks dope!
Yea I was really happy when I stumbled over this one on AliExpress. There is not much to choose from and this one does a lot of things really well.
i'll prolly order it in jan, if the account balance lets me :P
What a ridiculous waste of money, I use a rubber mat and and an old front panel from a pc case found out the front of a house. Been going strong for years.😊
If I were just testing (and comparing) graphics cards,sound cards and other cards that fit in slots I would opt for the QDIY PC-D008 if you kept the other parts in there for a long time.
For testing (and comparing) motherboards I would opt for the Top Deck Tech Station.
Just my opinion here.
That's pretty much my thoughts as well.
Hey Phil I just received my Sierra Screamin 3D (Rendition Verite v1000) graphics card absolutely new in the sealed box today December 16,2017.
Since it's so rare (from 1996 or 1997) I just can't open it as a collectors item though I'd love to try out the 3D accelerated games that it came with.
I only paid $23 USD at a eBay auction and was the only bidder.
I've had that exact Techstation for over 15 years and pre-built at least a dozen PC's with it and it still looks new. I don't care for the D008 at all. For one thing the flexing of the motherboard deck is a major issue. Installing RAM and expansion cards will flex a board and what it's mounted to needs to be solid even if its temporary to prevent damage. For another thing speed is key with a test bench like this as the whole point is to easily and quickly get the system built. Too much fussing with mounts on the D008. Back in the bad old days warranties were very short and testing your components the minute you got them was very important. Nothing is worse than waiting 3 months to build a system and finding out you've got a bad board, RAM or CPU that's now out of warranty. These are not meant for long term use. There are open-design cases meant for that. The D008 is more open case than test bench as I see it. Metal standoffs and card retainers bear that out. BTW mine came with a hard drive mount that fit on the underside of the motherboard deck. There are other options like that available as well.
I did mentioned the hard drive mount...
the flex is easily fixed with a small wood dowel, and the speed aspect is fixed by using screw rods about a centimeter long into the top of the standoffs so the motherboard can just slip on.. and I use on screw in the middle to make it stable.
I prefer the Chinese one- has a lot more features and much better value.
Build 3 systems in a row on it and see if you still have that opinion. Where you see features I see gimmicks and needless complexity.
is the US made in US? or made in China as well
Like they said in a old Italian movie, “il mio falegname me la faceva meglio con 10.000 lire”
Why not just make a DIY test bench?
Pic of yours?
To be honest until I saw this video I thought the USA bench Phil had been using was home made!
same here
I bought a jacked up Corsair 200R at a thrift shop for $10, used a die-grinder and hacked it up and mounted it to plywood and a couple 2x4's. Its ghetto but it works well. The DIYPC Alpha isnt a bad set-up either.
I like the chinese one much better, I believe it wins hands down for versatiity
I use the atx motherboard mounting plate from a old case as Test Bench, looks like trash but it cost me 0$
Yes that works great :)
I personally tried to do that, but my cases screw holes can't hold standoffs. The metal from there has fallen of already, because metal is so thin.
I never understand how a testbest is that expensive. I just use some cardboard with some screws and standoffs
Take an economics class :)
Awesome video. I'd take the chinese one cause im From middle europe so the shipping cost would be a lot less And it would be a lot cheaper. I have a question are 2 x79 untested but straight pin ASRock motherboards worth 100 bucks. I need a anwser ASAP cause if yes i need to pick them up today
I would never pay tha tmuch for something that is "untested"
one from china looks more premium smh
edit: just saw price whoops
High price doesn't always mean high quality, though.
what tragedy happened to asus on topdeck
I'd buy QDIY.
Even though the Top Deck is more expensive it looks much cheaper (not to mention the tacky bracket for the cards)
with high inflation, its better to buy cheaper one
why are test benches so damn expensive though?
I can get a normal case for cheaper...
Well of course, simple economies of scale. But a case isn't a test bench.
Hi All - com·pli·ca·tions beat me 2 hours ago :(
I made my first one out of plywood and 50mm x 50mm times, plenty of space between bottom layer and deck to cover the large AT power supplies.
On the plywood was a old PC case base that must have had about 20 stand off holes ( one size fits all ) i had probably 10 plastic stand offs in it and 4 to 6 stand offs with where threaded to make a holding down screw from the motherboard.
The card edge holder was again a cut of from the end panel where the card blanks were cut from the original pc case
On the other side ( not the isa card side ) , i had mounted a front panel cut of with power , reset , turbo , hdd led , power led and speaker - again from another old PC case that sort of looked like it fitted in a 5.25 drive bay blank card ( hmm the pc had some 5.25 bays but all the front swithgear and lights were in a panel that resembled a 5.25 blank , sort of how the usb / multi media / sd cards units look like
Overall i had a plastic lunch box to contain all screws ,sata , ide , floppy cables and molex double adapters
Looking back yes, i did keep all the extra long cables, i never thought to use a jig saw and run a few slots in the top layer to allow a shorter route for cable management
Freight to Australia is expensive, and i am suprised the asian one was that expensive in freight
Why are they so expensive????? You can buy a decent case for only 50$ and these are just sheets of metal with legs in between...
Simple economics.
And here I am with a poorly built K'nex bench.
I think the semi-permanent style of the D008 is because power supply and drive config isn't going to change much for most reviewers and secure motherboard installation is probably better so when you start pulling cards off the board it doesn't pull off with them, I like the look of it a bit better and the fact that the power/reset buttons and LEDs are built in is really nice, I watch some reviewers who take a key to short the power button leads and I cringe every time, it's not that it's dangerous, but c'mon you can afford a GTX 1080 Ti, buy a $0.30 power switch...
why did they use a plastic support rail? Seems like they just saved money. Don't understand why they do that for $100
I also like the holes on the QDIY test bench a lot. the other one looks quite messy.
The US one is just two pieces of wood with standoffs for 100 USD? Wow that’s a rip off
Chinese test bench is definitely better.
The chinese one is just miles better.
I ended up no using it, too clunky for frequent system changes. The Tech Station is my favourite apart form just using a motherboard box :D
@@philscomputerlab The good old motherboard box! Not having to screw on the mainboard does seem extremely handy upon further reflection. I wonder if such a setup could be achieved in the chinese one, somehow. In either case, the "doob" is no longer sold apparently. :)
butbutbut whats the point.... unless youre doing reviews and benchmarks or something, theres really not much point.
Well guess what I'm doing?
i know i know... but as a viewer working in the PC service industry I dont know anyone that would ever need a test bench :)
still an awesome comparison video though, dont misunderstand me
Yea a LOT of people keep asking me for "what is this test bench". So I have a video to show them :D
keep up the amazing videos anyway dude, maybe there could be a chance of seeing some old OGL cards benchmarked against somewhat newer cards in workstation productivity, like a early generation quadro cards vs a high end gaming card (of the era) obviously the price differerences at the time would have been HUGE but now , notsomuch. might be interesting to see what the comparative performance would have been back in the day.
:)
There is one video I did, with the Quadro2 Pro comparing it with the equivalent GeForce2 Ti :) ua-cam.com/video/ku9Cp3o13QI/v-deo.html
you just can't beat the chinese
Yeah, you can but nobody cares to try so long as Apple gets a new Iphone out every year made by people being paid next to nothing.
that's exactly why you can't beat them
working for nothing is slavery, only available in china and we all over the world agree with that because things are less expensive for us
The China crap uses Bosch profiles, maybe the 20mm ones? These go for
I want one for christmas 🤗🤗💾💾