I just turned 53 years old and I am playing and practicing with people in the early and mid 20s and I win some and lose some. That’s an age difference Coach! Happy New Year to you and everyone here my friend.
48 and 42 are considered the same age bracket. There's not an older vs younger player here in terms of competitive tennis. If he's 60, then you can say that.
As a 4.0-4.5 player, I have been beaten by a 65 year old....and I've beaten 22-25 year old 4.5 players. There is always someone who can defy the odds and do the unthinkable in tennis. The way to win is what makes the game forever interesting
@mundi352 Then maybe that 65 year-old is above your level. I am 60 and had also beaten players in their 20's, but they were below my level. But no way I would beat a much younger player at the same level, especially over 3 single sets. In college, we were taking tennis for PE at the intermediate advanced level. The instructor was a former college player. He was about 65 also. Knowing that we all could play at a decent level, he offered the deal that he would give us two games. If we anyone beat him, that guy would automatically get an A and wouldn't have to show up to class, but if we lost, we'd get an F. Needless to say, no one dared take him on because we all knew he's a couple of levels above.
@tomsd8656 i think most of the time your point and theory is correct, a young 4.0 vs a much older 4.0, the younger person prevails, however, I have experience instances where aspects of a players game created a lot of problems for me. Think about what your saying. All of the pros would generally be considered on the same wave length. Anyone in the top 30 to 50 are very comparable players to one another. A skill level can only translate so much. If every 4.0 player was totally equal, how would one dominate another or win 8 out of 10 matches? The answer in my mind is simple, there is much more going on than a USTA rating.
@mundi352 Yes, you're right. I was just talking about the age. Take your example of the pro ranked from 30 to 50, there is no way a formerly ranked 30 pro, who is 65 now, can beat the current 50 ranked. In amateur play, it's a lot more forgiving, but it's not that forgiving. If you're 35 playing a 65 year old and you can see that his movement is less than yours, but you still lose, then that means your game is not at his level. If you see that he moves just as well as you, then either he's super fit, or you're not that fit, then age difference doesn't really matter there.
There are so many levels of players in tennis. I thought it was an ironic title but I was wrong. But you actually believe 1. He is much older than you and 2. that he represents all “older players” as if that is a category/way to describe a game style. Older or young players have different gamestyles from aggressive to more baseliner styles. Your oppononts style is a mix of baseliner and some aggressive smart play. Moves well and makes fewer mistakes. Very consistent and makes fewer mistakes so he doesnt give that many free points away and makes you work harder to win points. Nothing to do with age. You are both in a +40 category and his level is higher than yours. 😊
This is cute. 48 vs 42 year olds… I’m 48 and play against under 30s that are either D1 or ITF level. How to beat me? Out work and our smart me. I still hit aces, I still run everything down. I learned never to underestimate an opponent no matter what age. I played against a 60 y/o retired premier league soccer player who ran down every ball! Never count us out or assume we can’t just because of our age. Oh and pro-tip… always warm up you’ll reduce injuries.
Out of curiosity, who is the retired premier league player? Also, it’s very impressive that you play against under 30 and itf level players in spite of the age difference
Thanks for the video. I'm not sure why this video is titled how older players defeat younger (players) though I'm over 70 years old and expected to see at least a 65 year old playing someone in his 30's or younger. Even people in their 40's are still pretty nimble and able to compete with strong players half their age. I think you enjoy playing - but not really at a competitive level. When I was 17 I played the number 1 ranked 65 (H. Hyde out of Texas) and even though I was a strong junior lost the first set. I received a lot of steady angles, slices and junk shots and was exhausted by the time we were even set wise. Some of your tips are good though.
Don´t fall on his style of play (sometimes you hit your forehand like the opponent). On all the serve returns (and on many rallies), your split step is way too late. You have a good serve, but I didn´t see any serve and volley until the last minutes. On some of your forehands you move to the side or backwards just in the contact, so you mishit. The unit turn, specially on the backhand is always late, it should be quicker. On the rallies, you tend to always hit 2, 3, 4 forehands to the same side. I think, when being in a good position, you have to make him run. And the volleys.. you have to practice them. I think you´ll beat him soon. Some wall practice would help. Recreate there the type of balls he gives you.
What this guy said above, and you need to practice generating pace on your balls, quite a lot of your shots just float hight to the middle of the court he then can place the ball where he wants to, in all honesty a better player would finish you off a lot faster instead he just runs you from side to side till you make a mistake whilst you keep returning the ball to his hitting zone. Look at it like this if you don't put this player under any pressure then they can put you under pressure, you have a good serve and it puts him on his back foot. That's the pace you need to generate on your forehand. I would remove your slice from your game as I didn't see a low slice once and just try to get better at driving the ball back with top spin forehand and backhand.
Lmao.. your getting comments about the age difference cause there is no difference. You guys are the same generation. Once your over 40 the same physical issues plague us all. It's the title that's miss stated. The age gap has to be wide enough for there to be an inherent advantage for the younger player ie: speed, no injuries, stamina. This is just two 40 year old playing tennis.. lol.
Hey genius...Im using the video as a background and playing deliberately to teach something. I state the ages in the beginning for the hell of it. Don't worry I'll be posting a future video where one of these 40 year olds do actually make a twenty something look like a beginner.
I will offer this advice against older players: Begin by improving your service games with this subtle change. In a given service game, play the older player even to get to 30-30 or deuce.. At that point, don't go for aces because you'll double fault just as many times. Instead aim for the older player's body and force yourself to serve and volley. Here's the key: you have to put the ball away immediately on the volley or short ball that follows the serve even if that involves slightly greater risk. Otherwise, you become a sitting duck at the net. Good luck! .
Sounds like he beat you because he didn’t feed you balls where you like them. He basically just played his game and it worked in you. Looks like he had a little strategy and it was enough. Not trying to be mean but if you improve your fundamentals you’ll do better. Bend your knees on low balls, hit with more topspin on the slower ones he gives you. Try treating them like approach shots. His ball didn’t bounce much because it’s flat so you have to shape it more. Your volleys went straight to him instead of down the line. You were choosing really hard targets. Don’t be afraid to move your Allen up and back and not just laterally. You hit some good shots bro you just needed more of them. God job keep at it. Look up approach shots
LOL this had nothing to do with age. First, the age difference isn't that significant. Second, and probably most important, you never acknowledge the fact that in this case you probably lost because you employed the wrong strategy. You talked about his serve but his 2nd wasn't that great to the point where you could have taken some chances to hit more aggressive shots. At the end of the day it wasn't his age it was that he simply was a better player with a better strategy to win than you did on that day.
This is typical 3.5 maybe the white shirt is 4.0, recreational tennis, dark shirt has no backhand at all, it's more 2.5/3.0 level. The reason why players like the dark shirt win is because they are cagy and crafty players. They don't have natural ability so they use their 'brains' to win. Tennis is a unique sport, I truly consider it an activity than a true sport in that in tennis one doesn't need to possess athletic ability or natural anything in order to win, they use their brain and craftiness wins for them, they outsmart their opponent and cause much frustration to their opponents resulting in their opponents over hitting and becoming so frustrated that they commit unforced errors and they essentially lose their cool. He wins by mind over matter, pushing the ball and keeping the rally going just enough that drives the opponent to mis hit in frustration. Too many of his opponents think they are better than him, that is exactly what he wants them to think. The opponents have to realize they are a 3.5/4.0 as well. The gray shirt will not rise to other level, he is where he is, permanently, as the high level players will overwhelm him, but not all the time, there will be a 4.5 player who succumbs to the same frustration as the lower levels do, but a good high level 4.5 + will manage their way to overcome his strategy. The reason why tennis IMO is more of an activity than a true sport is that tennis has many players like dark shirt, many crafty players, hence why the tennis world is loaded with smart professionals, but many are void of pure athletic ability, they use their brains instead, this attribute doesn't work in sports, yes brains are important (QB, Pitcher), but they also come with pure natural athletic ability as well, where in tennis you can be an overweight computer nerd who never engaged in any sport, and actually become club champion.😂😂
There are topfit players around which play the zero risk strategy and just defend their ground. If you want to get them on the hook, you will have a hard time on the court.
@vanlendl1 The reason amateurs can play the zero risk defend game and win is because there isn't any offense from the other side. In order to do offense, you need to be able to produce enough pace and accuracy to make your opponent run, reach. If you can't do that then it's just a who misses first match.
I just turned 53 years old and I am playing and practicing with people in the early and mid 20s and I win some and lose some. That’s an age difference Coach! Happy New Year to you and everyone here my friend.
48 and 42 are considered the same age bracket. There's not an older vs younger player here in terms of competitive tennis. If he's 60, then you can say that.
Haha.
As a 4.0-4.5 player, I have been beaten by a 65 year old....and I've beaten 22-25 year old 4.5 players. There is always someone who can defy the odds and do the unthinkable in tennis. The way to win is what makes the game forever interesting
@mundi352 Then maybe that 65 year-old is above your level. I am 60 and had also beaten players in their 20's, but they were below my level. But no way I would beat a much younger player at the same level, especially over 3 single sets.
In college, we were taking tennis for PE at the intermediate advanced level. The instructor was a former college player. He was about 65 also. Knowing that we all could play at a decent level, he offered the deal that he would give us two games. If we anyone beat him, that guy would automatically get an A and wouldn't have to show up to class, but if we lost, we'd get an F. Needless to say, no one dared take him on because we all knew he's a couple of levels above.
@tomsd8656 i think most of the time your point and theory is correct, a young 4.0 vs a much older 4.0, the younger person prevails, however, I have experience instances where aspects of a players game created a lot of problems for me. Think about what your saying. All of the pros would generally be considered on the same wave length. Anyone in the top 30 to 50 are very comparable players to one another. A skill level can only translate so much. If every 4.0 player was totally equal, how would one dominate another or win 8 out of 10 matches? The answer in my mind is simple, there is much more going on than a USTA rating.
@mundi352 Yes, you're right. I was just talking about the age. Take your example of the pro ranked from 30 to 50, there is no way a formerly ranked 30 pro, who is 65 now, can beat the current 50 ranked.
In amateur play, it's a lot more forgiving, but it's not that forgiving. If you're 35 playing a 65 year old and you can see that his movement is less than yours, but you still lose, then that means your game is not at his level. If you see that he moves just as well as you, then either he's super fit, or you're not that fit, then age difference doesn't really matter there.
There are so many levels of players in tennis. I thought it was an ironic title but I was wrong. But you actually believe 1. He is much older than you and 2. that he represents all “older players” as if that is a category/way to describe a game style. Older or young players have different gamestyles from aggressive to more baseliner styles. Your oppononts style is a mix of baseliner and some aggressive smart play. Moves well and makes fewer mistakes. Very consistent and makes fewer mistakes so he doesnt give that many free points away and makes you work harder to win points. Nothing to do with age. You are both in a +40 category and his level is higher than yours. 😊
This is cute. 48 vs 42 year olds… I’m 48 and play against under 30s that are either D1 or ITF level. How to beat me? Out work and our smart me. I still hit aces, I still run everything down. I learned never to underestimate an opponent no matter what age. I played against a 60 y/o retired premier league soccer player who ran down every ball! Never count us out or assume we can’t just because of our age. Oh and pro-tip… always warm up you’ll reduce injuries.
Out of curiosity, who is the retired premier league player?
Also, it’s very impressive that you play against under 30 and itf level players in spite of the age difference
Thanks for the video. I'm not sure why this video is titled how older players defeat younger (players) though
I'm over 70 years old and expected to see at least a 65 year old playing someone in his 30's or younger. Even people in their 40's are still pretty nimble and able to compete with strong players half their age. I think you enjoy playing - but not really at a competitive level. When I was 17 I played the number 1 ranked 65 (H. Hyde out of Texas) and even though I was a strong junior lost the first set. I received a lot of steady angles, slices and junk shots and was exhausted by the time we were even set wise. Some of your tips are good though.
Should be titled "How average players beat other average players"
Don´t fall on his style of play (sometimes you hit your forehand like the opponent). On all the serve returns (and on many rallies), your split step is way too late. You have a good serve, but I didn´t see any serve and volley until the last minutes. On some of your forehands you move to the side or backwards just in the contact, so you mishit. The unit turn, specially on the backhand is always late, it should be quicker. On the rallies, you tend to always hit 2, 3, 4 forehands to the same side. I think, when being in a good position, you have to make him run. And the volleys.. you have to practice them. I think you´ll beat him soon. Some wall practice would help. Recreate there the type of balls he gives you.
What this guy said above, and you need to practice generating pace on your balls, quite a lot of your shots just float hight to the middle of the court he then can place the ball where he wants to, in all honesty a better player would finish you off a lot faster instead he just runs you from side to side till you make a mistake whilst you keep returning the ball to his hitting zone. Look at it like this if you don't put this player under any pressure then they can put you under pressure, you have a good serve and it puts him on his back foot. That's the pace you need to generate on your forehand. I would remove your slice from your game as I didn't see a low slice once and just try to get better at driving the ball back with top spin forehand and backhand.
I am 61 and I play against players of any age in club or ETF or social tournaments. Two players in their 40s are of the same age.
Lmao.. your getting comments about the age difference cause there is no difference. You guys are the same generation. Once your over 40 the same physical issues plague us all. It's the title that's miss stated. The age gap has to be wide enough for there to be an inherent advantage for the younger player ie: speed, no injuries, stamina. This is just two 40 year old playing tennis.. lol.
Hey genius...Im using the video as a background and playing deliberately to teach something. I state the ages in the beginning for the hell of it. Don't worry I'll be posting a future video where one of these 40 year olds do actually make a twenty something look like a beginner.
Remember no matter the age fitness eventually comes into play.48 is fit!
I will offer this advice against older players: Begin by improving your service games with this subtle change. In a given service game, play the older player even to get to 30-30 or deuce.. At that point, don't go for aces because you'll double fault just as many times. Instead aim for the older player's body and force yourself to serve and volley. Here's the key: you have to put the ball away immediately on the volley or short ball that follows the serve even if that involves slightly greater risk. Otherwise, you become a sitting duck at the net. Good luck! .
Sounds like he beat you because he didn’t feed you balls where you like them. He basically just played his game and it worked in you. Looks like he had a little strategy and it was enough. Not trying to be mean but if you improve your fundamentals you’ll do better. Bend your knees on low balls, hit with more topspin on the slower ones he gives you. Try treating
them like approach shots. His ball didn’t bounce much because it’s flat so you have to shape it more. Your volleys went straight to him instead of down the line. You were choosing really hard targets. Don’t be afraid to move your Allen up and back and not just laterally. You hit some good shots bro you just needed more of them. God job keep at it. Look up approach shots
LOL this had nothing to do with age. First, the age difference isn't that significant. Second, and probably most important, you never acknowledge the fact that in this case you probably lost because you employed the wrong strategy. You talked about his serve but his 2nd wasn't that great to the point where you could have taken some chances to hit more aggressive shots. At the end of the day it wasn't his age it was that he simply was a better player with a better strategy to win than you did on that day.
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This is typical 3.5 maybe the white shirt is 4.0, recreational tennis, dark shirt has no backhand at all, it's more 2.5/3.0 level. The reason why players like the dark shirt win is because they are cagy and crafty players. They don't have natural ability so they use their 'brains' to win. Tennis is a unique sport, I truly consider it an activity than a true sport in that in tennis one doesn't need to possess athletic ability or natural anything in order to win, they use their brain and craftiness wins for them, they outsmart their opponent and cause much frustration to their opponents resulting in their opponents over hitting and becoming so frustrated that they commit unforced errors and they essentially lose their cool. He wins by mind over matter, pushing the ball and keeping the rally going just enough that drives the opponent to mis hit in frustration. Too many of his opponents think they are better than him, that is exactly what he wants them to think. The opponents have to realize they are a 3.5/4.0 as well. The gray shirt will not rise to other level, he is where he is, permanently, as the high level players will overwhelm him, but not all the time, there will be a 4.5 player who succumbs to the same frustration as the lower levels do, but a good high level 4.5 + will manage their way to overcome his strategy. The reason why tennis IMO is more of an activity than a true sport is that tennis has many players like dark shirt, many crafty players, hence why the tennis world is loaded with smart professionals, but many are void of pure athletic ability, they use their brains instead, this attribute doesn't work in sports, yes brains are important (QB, Pitcher), but they also come with pure natural athletic ability as well, where in tennis you can be an overweight computer nerd who never engaged in any sport, and actually become club champion.😂😂
Haha...I love it. "loaded with smart professionals." That is so true lol. If Im playing 3.5 -4.0...I'm a 3.5-4.0 who is hitting aces and tweeners. ;)
Totally wrong. At lower level, athletic ability doesn't matter. But at high level, if you're slower, weaker, you lose.
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There are topfit players around which play the zero risk strategy and just defend their ground. If you want to get them on the hook, you will have a hard time on the court.
@vanlendl1 The reason amateurs can play the zero risk defend game and win is because there isn't any offense from the other side. In order to do offense, you need to be able to produce enough pace and accuracy to make your opponent run, reach. If you can't do that then it's just a who misses first match.
Older defeats younger??? What a stupid title 48-42??????????????????????????? practically same age 48-22 more interesting
I was using the match as an example to what I was teaching. I'll post one 48 -22 at some point :)