All electric bus. How does it all work? | Van Hool CX45E
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- So many of you sent me so many technical questions after my last video from my trip to Orlando, Florida to visit ABC companies.
Well, here you are. A super technical video from a certified EV Coach Technician, James Moora, to take you guys through the guts and inner workings of an all-electric battery-powered coach bus. The Van Hool CX45E!
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Technology is changing so rapidly. Wow.
It looks like 90 percent of the bus volume is dedicated to the EV system, with nothing left for stuff like passenger luggage.
Simple just follow european ultra low cost airline rules with some small alterations. Something like this: One (1) SMALL carry item on that fit in front of your legs under the seat for free and one (1) regular carry on for an additional fee. (small print) Carry on that does not fit into the overhead compartment WILL be left behind NO EXCEPTION!
Good for short, excursion trips.
A 250 mile range is plenty to travel from one end of the Netherlands to the other. Ideal for shuttling tourists between the various tourist traps here. They don't carry their suitcases, only backpacks, to the different things to visit.
I haven't seen electric buses at my local tourist trap yet, but the public transport is going fully electric later this year.
Very nice job 👍 and very professionally shot and edited. It really was a great presentation! You get better at it every time you do it. Keep up the great work. And I feel sorry for your wife and kids cuz you truly are a Bus 🥜
Thanks Michael! LoL 🤣 yeah especially my wife. Sometimes I think she thinks im not right in the head.
I agree with that your editing is awesome wish I could have got to see how you do it in person
Thank you, this video answering my question. This bus is most definitely a conversion. However, this is the most well tought out vehicle conversion I am aware of. You, dont, for example, have the passengers sitting up against the roof (which is how Mercedes does their SUV conversion). Being a conversion is the root issue leaning to the loss of space. A ground up EV design would easily solve the space issues.
Clearly, these are for shuttles and quick airport transfers. There's not much luggage room underneath. But it's a good idea.
Luggage space is definitely something the engineer designers would have to consider when they seem to have figured out how to make the coach buses travel further…Not too certain if Van Hool has the same duct work design down the center of the luggage bay ceiling as MCI does…But I have had coffee spill on the floor inside the interior of the coach and found drips of it inside the luggage bay…Not setting the tone to skeptical, but came to mind…I thought the UA-cam presentation was very informational toward the efforts of next generation’s attempt to impact the environment and the influence EV’s are having on transportation so far…Now, you will have to do similar videos…But for MCI & Temsa…LOL…Take Care…
Thank you for the comment. Well said. I would love to do something similar to MCI and Temsa... So far no one has invited me other than ABC, and one other coach bus manufacturer... But thats coming up in a future video so It will have to ramain a surprise.
@@MotorcoachWorld U Bet…Your channel…Your show…
My city has been testing some electric slinky busses and just this week put them into service and they are on my route. Super cool to see all these systems before I get to ride on it!
After watching this, and the other video with ABC Companies, it is clear they are passionate about everything buses. Everyone is very knowledgeable and passionate on what they do. Clearly everyone from the top down cares.
I wonder how the luggage issue can be addressed, I guess that is the million dollar question. Get that solved, and range (which is easier to solve) and this could be a great coach bus for the future. I'm sure one day it will happen.
The ABC video was so good. ❤
Where are the passengers luggage stored? Not much space underneath this coach. Minuscule for passenger luggage. It is all taken up by the AC, cooling, batteries etc..etc...etc...Is there enough over head space in the coach? I don't think so. As pointed out in the last video about ev buses right now it is not practical for line hauls. I think the range is 280-300 miles. BUT in a few short years all that will be solved as technology improves with these EV coaches day by day....We shall see. Great video. Very informative! Thanks for posting.(-;
I think these will likely be limited to local/regional day trips at least for now. Depending on fuel operating costs this might be an good alternative for that?
@@dossphosmedia but that EXTREMELY LIMITS the versatility of the bus!
Aren’t most power plants in Illinois and Indiana fueled by fossil fuels? How is this a “zero emissions” vehicle?
@@johnp139 yeah I completely agree this thing is quite limited I would say most smaller coach services probably would have a hard time justifying this. The only way I could see this bus making sense is if a company was frequently running local services and had access to cheap electricity.
@@johnp139 it limits the vehicle emissions from being directly in your neighborhood.
You _flew_ to Florida? You should have taken the bus! 😉
James, this episode is a keeper! Thank you. I think this phase of EV mass transit is like the Sputnik phase was for space travel. Components will keep getting smaller, hence more luggage space. Battery chemistry and regeneration will keep getting more efficient. Maybe we will see your 20th Anniversary episode on some yet to be developed communications platform showing the 2040 model EV motor coach. Blessings.
Thanks Donald. Haha maybe... Im not sure what ill be doing in 2040 LOL. But that would be cool.
@@MotorcoachWorld Clearly, that bus was created from a fully kitted out diesel bus. Everything was mounted in the luggage lockers or engine bay. The luggage locker walls correspond to frame nodes in the structure. An EV bus must be fully redesigned for compact EV equipment. It appears bus manufacturers don't have this capability as they have long relied on compact packages from engine/drivetrain suppliers. It is going to take a Tesla, Bosch, Continental, Magna, etc to enter the market to supply the powertrain and a body design.
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I love the technology that an EV Coach has on it but it just doesn’t seem very practical for the average charter company. That range just doesn’t cut it.
Thank you for the deep-dive on how electric technology is being implemented in these busses. While like you mentioned its not there "yet" its making leaps and bounds to get better and better each day. Its pretty amazing as a bus owner to see all of the components that make a bus work being carried out by electrical counterparts... like air system, hydraulic steering system, air conditioning and heating, etc. It'll only get better and more integrated as time goes on. Theres not a lot of "transparency" in the bus space so I appreciate yourself and ABC for making these videos. While the initial price for entry into one of these EV's is probably exponential in comparison to the fossil fuel current versions its obvious that their long term TCO is much lower maintenance wise.
Love this channel. Thanks James
Hey thanks for the kind words Glen
Informative video. RTD of Denver has had electric busses in several of their in-town routes since 2016. Nice not to have all that deisel exhaust downtown! I could see RTD using the busses in this video for thier work comunters from the bedroom communities outside the greater Dnever area (Ft. Collins, Loveland, Longmont, etc.). I agree with you, the lack of luggage space does not really lend itself wewll to tour busses. But intercity commuting might be the nich (at this point in time) for ABC's busses. Thanks for the video!
Interesting! For now it’s perfect for local transport like airport shuttle or transfer bus from train to bus. It should be enough for a couple round trips maybe then it’s off to a charging break. I’m sure the technology will improve to have more space for luggage and longer range to be practical for charter services.
I want to see PCC use one on the Christmas break to thr airport.
Not enough range to make that round trip. Would have to send a relief bus... Which would mean higher ticket prices for the passengers for the extra fuel, driver pay, etc..
If Peoria comes to the DC area let me know I'll do that gig you told me about
EV tech would be great for city buses since the lack of luggage space is not a factor, also EV motors are a lot more efficient for stop & go traffic.
Ha, ha..that was my second question after range, must be a serious drain on the batteries.
Super cool
Love the new vanhoul
Enjoyed the video James 👍👏😊♥️🇺🇸
Glad you made this video cause I really wanted to know the details and workings of this
Ev coaches or buses would be great for Cities since you'd probably always be near a charge station. But for long range trips the tradtional diesel bus is gonna be here for awhile Until we get better battery techology or some sort of say nuclear battery, or maybe hydrogen fuel cell bus
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The luggage space is a major issue. I can see it being used as a commuter bus or a local tour bus but not for any OTR trips. If the company I used to work for in Maryland took a day charter to NYC it wouldn't work. It's roughly 240 miles each way and 4 hours to get there depending on traffic. It's hard enough to find parking it's going to be worse trying to find a charging station. An average day trip to NYC the groups stays there for 6 hours. If the electric coach has a max range of 250 did they consider the load of the heat and AC, electronics as well as the power inverters for the AC outlets? The outside temps. It seems fine for a commuter bus where it can sit and charge all night but that also means the bus company has to buy charging stations for all the buses. I am sure that is something you already asked.
The only time I drove an all electric vehicle was the Ford Mustang Mach E. That thing took off so fast I was at 70 MPH before I knew what was happening.
How was the acceleration? How many motors and were there any in the front?
Take care and be safe.
Gave Denim Dads a sub....not that theyre off topic for me lol. I got the winch and electrical done up on my Jeep. Now I just need time for some mudding or maybe snow?
Thanks Alex!
@@MotorcoachWorld How you been? Everything ok? Its funny...I know you said you were looking for techs, and now Im looking to get hired. Im tired of not having purpose...and YT just isnt working out for me, so Im trying to work for Dodge well...because I love the old ones (not sure about the electric stuff...but yeah, not easy interviewing after being my own boss lol
its gonna be interesting when its perfected, but i am afraid its going to be a while because its not logical for long tours etc
Hello James 👋
Good video hasn't been here for a month
They should have made the Regen braking power go to the water heaters that would be more efficient
AWESOME!
Also, it's kind of sad you don't have the Level 2 AC charger built in and just DC fast charging! I know AC would be DOG SLOW but it's always nice to have backups for those bad days! hopefully they can get the DC charging up to 250 or 350 KW, might be able to get that 3 hour charge down to 2 or 1 hours!!
I was a bit surprised too to see this doesn’t support level 1 or level 2 charging. I guess if it did there would be even more luggage space taken up by equipment. Even at level 2 though, 7kwh charging up a 600 kWh battery would be dog slow like you said.
So where do you put the passengers luggage
Up in the cab.
Exactly!
on the roof ... 🤗
Maybe ok for a transit operation, But not for charters, as there is no luggage space.
That is most likely what this one will be used for. Based on the branding it's going to be used as a shuttle service between a bay area tech company and the local metro/rail stop. I am curious how they're going to get it they are from Florida. That's a lot of towing or a lot of recharges.
@@jeansdavid The range mentioned in the video is for a full load. Empty it will go about 50% longer.
@@jeansdavid I would guess ABC & Van Hool will set up a public relations tour. They could drive, stop for show & tell, recharge, sleep, and do it all over the next day. (And have a good old fashioned diesel chase rig with a portable high-capacity generator just off camera. 😎)
I wonder if they charge it via level 2 j1772 ? I have a j1772 port on the back of my van to grab power from charging stations to run my stuff in the van
I like all electric but on these coaches where are all the bags in et cetera located for example greyhound has 3 underneath the bus for spare tires bags etc
That's a good question. It wouldn't work for long distance trips where people would bring luggage...
Omg. Where would the luggage go???
Carry on luggage only
hey i got a question about the mci d4505 and you can do more vids.
Hey. U did show the emergency exit windows before but do they have alarms on them like school buses do?
250 range? damn
My gut prediction is that within 5 years the major carriers will be using Ev's for 50% of their fleets. Maybe less time, but it won't be long. The technology is improving every day. Bus travel will be revolutionized.
So my question is what’s going to happen to all the diesel technicians?
Thanks for the comment. As mentioned in my previous video.. it's not that much of a transition for. Diesel tech to be able to work on EV buses. The training is available and not very demanding.
I think there will continue to be a shortage of competent, conscientious and committed hands-on Technicians in the US. Our culture must shift from high-debt / useless college degrees to skilled, well paid hands-on technicians.
Luggage no goes on customers laps
Cool. How much that bus cost?
How big is the battery? And how much range?
Yes it is zero emission,how about short circuit or overload i mean overcharging the high voltage,maybe it's dongerous to the passenger inside the bus while travel?..
is it using Lihtium ion Phosphate cells [LIFE/Lipo4]? or standard lithium-ions ? also orange high volate is what volage ? i used to say EVs are much simpler than combustion engine...i think i'm wrong based on what was shown...hahahaha..
So you lose all luggage capacity
It's all done very nicely and I am sure it also works very nicely, however, this bus is basically useless. I did not count the seats, but it has to be between 47 and 56. Now tell me where the luggage goes? You need to pull a trailer. All European buses have not much room for luggage to begin with. Now with that e-system there is no more luggage space. Just great!
Too little luggage space, and very little consolidation of components. It would be far cheaper to buy a Telsa Semi for $200K and deploy $180K of it (all except the shell of the cab) into a bus - might be cheaper than a diesel bus, and all, or nearly all of the luggage space will be retained.
OK, I just have to leave another comment. Apparently these buses have more than twenty thousand pounds of batteries somewhere. Has anybody ever seen an EV burn? I have and it's not something I want to see ever again. I don't even want to think about what would happen if one of thoses buses catches fire. You need an evac plan for the passengers! Thanks, but no thanks, that's all I say.
Double the price, half the range, no luggage space, electricity rates going up, little infrastructure, right. it's quieter. So what. I like the sound of the hum and lullaby motor. it pollutes less. but where does the power come from? Today's busses gave that figured out.
I'll buy 10. 10 desktop models that is for my kids.
Lol 😂
Knowing that lithium batteries is a fire hazard , you do know that once these batteries go through a thermo melt down once you see the tell tail white smoke can you get everyone off of the bus in 10 seconds, also remember that the white smoke is highly toxic. With those batteries being under the bus inside the luggage compartment I would not be wanting to be on that bus.
@Elizabeth Cherry There are different lithium ion battery chemistries already. Also battery shutdown circuitry in each block to prevent runaway reactions. Very strict temperature control parameters is also crucial to fire prevention. I think I would order a dry chemical fire suppression system just in case.