I wish I liked these new Games Workshop miniatures more
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- The new Liberators have been revealed and... they're fine. They're ok. They're missing a lot of the personality of the old ones though.
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Stormcasts losing a bit of personality with a new version of them is very meta, considering their lore.
Facts
They had personality?
@@____________838 more than space marines, yes.
@@cooljoe500 I kind of disagree with that statement, as an army they have more personality but individual characters I think there are better spacemarines are better
Which is funny, because some of the biggest complaints about them at the 2015 AoS launch were that they looked like clones without any personality.
The nose guard looks like it’s taken inspiration from ridge helmets, I don’t mind them!
Reminds me of the man in the iron mask. Which fits thematically as they slowly louse their identity.
I like it a lot. It feels more medieval and gritty.
I prefer them, honestly. Nice to see them moving more towards something I could buy as real armour, and away from the old Warcrafty "so, you want Space Marines, but prefer pure fantasy" look.
I even prefer the scalemail skirts replacing the loincloth-tabard-things (they're not quite either, but eh). Those tabards have always felt like a cheap way to disguise the wonkiness that you often get around the groin when casting minis in plastic, IMO, so having actual armour instead is something I'm a fan of.
they would immediately become like 20x more horrifying if you put a blindfold/metal band over the eye holes- like some horrible silent hill creature especially with some more barbed wire and brutal weaponry. Could be a really fun ‘Fallen Stormcast’ army
green stuff makes it so
@@eryk335 yessss lmao
Id have loved it to go the other direction. Have them be death masks blood angels style. The expression they were making when they first died.
These guys are basically Primaris Intercessors of AoS whereas the old ones were sternguard.
Took everything interesting and ornamental out of them.
Id have to disagree, the old stormcast in my eyes were busy and overdetailed. Esp for an "intro" faction
Im pretty sure that they will make the spear guys and hammers guys a dual purpose kit, hence why they look so similar now.
Stormcast are not really my favorite faction but I have them because of the starter boxes and with this one having Skaven I'll get it because Skaven are one of my favorite, but I still prefer this design for Stormcast over the previous ones so I'm still happy
I really like the new design. Proportions seem to be better, less under body suit and more Greco style armour. Put one next to a cities of Sigmar human and they’ll look huge!
The shields are the only thing I think don’t match the lore, although they look cool.
Liberator shield walls are a thing and those newer ones look more for massed melee than regimented shield wall.
But overall looking mega!
I wonder if the bulkier armour of other new ‘retributor’ style units will fill the gap for you?
The face-helmets have ‚always‘ been my pet-peeve with the SE - which is why I started changing those with 3D-printed knight-helmets. Makes a ton of a difference. That‘s why I am not to worried about the weird new heads, but I do like the very rest of the resculpts. I think the tabard might have been to bulky for their slimmer silhouette now.
Man, I had a whole rant I was gonna do about the Eldar, and ya just nipped that in the bud right at the end. Cheers!
I kinda love the fatcast its grown on me overtime so ill probably get one of each unit before they get replaced
I loved the slimmer weapons and chunkier shields of the old models. I loved the, kind of, next gen in the form of the Sequitors, slimmed armour, but still impressive weapons and shields. These guys feel a little off.
Well I guess I'm in the same league.
I liked the old liberators, got into AoS with the them at the very beginning. I like the greco-roman-fantasy take, the large surface for the shields (my scheme includes a gradient on them), the helmets. But I also felt they were a bit bulky, especially the shoulder pads (which were a pain to assemble). So it was ok to have a newer kit...
But I, too, dislike some aspects : the loss of the tabards, the shields too small (especially vertically) and the hammers too big, the notches, the pointy helmets. And I would have preferred if they had deopped the double hammer. I like the fact they're more slim, and the thunderstrike is cool... but it's also too different.
In the end, for my armour-painting itch, it makes me think about turning to Chaos ! 😄
Edit : on the other hand, the new clanrats are very cool and mix much better with their previous iteration.
For me they look really, really good. Although i can follow you on the shield size.
I really like the original Stormcasts, in particular their tankyness. And although I never played AOS, I bought a few boxes of their first wave of release. To me, the general new design makes them lackluster, faceless (pun^^), beanpoles and, if not for their height, but for their looks, watered down to some kind of mortals with an armor that wants to imitate the immortals.
I think some grey knight/deathwing termie helmets on these guys would be really cool
Not sure about the GKs, but the deathwing helmets would be extremely goofy, they are really elongated to fit the terminator plate.
@@yhormthemidget I think the scale difference would compensate for that a bit, but I won't actually know until they release these models lol
@@torrentstridestudios6928 true. But I still think it will be iffy. At the very least you have to sand off the gorget to put on the huge beanheads, and the big pauldrons might screw with the head positioning. But if you can make it work, it will look awsome.
I do like it but then again I like almost anything stormcast. However yeah you put into words that feeling of somethings missing for me I just couldn't place it now I won't be able to unsee it.
Give them the old shield design and swap the head with a knightly helmet, then it'll look great.
I think the helmets don't look that bad, they remind me of helmets on Protectors. My problem is with leg armor, as well as shield, and shoulders, as they are exact copy of Vindictors. I would like it if they made these Liberators more unique looking. Right now if you want that, your only option will be conversions, to make them more interesting
Looks like the 1998 "man in the Iron Mask"....
I just can't with the storm cast the closest I came to liking them was when they gave them capes. But the fully metallic and kinda generic armour doesn't cut it for me, it lacks personality but not in a way that let you easily create your own like for the generic space marines
I'd actually say the NEW Liberator's chestpiece looks more overly detailed than either the old one, or the Vindicator's. The other two looked more practical by not etching out the SO many muscles. (Though the new Liberator still beats out the old in practicality thanks to the less-ridiculous armor). I will also admit the loin-tabard thing looked good for the Stormcast main line.
I want to know why they're bothering to update the liberators because there are a lot of age of Sigmar armies that could do with new models
I always hated painting the tabards of old SC. I paint mine as if they're living statues now anyway so it's not a real issue anymore. I'll be getting the new AoS edition but I'll probably sell the skaven
They look more phobos-y which does clash with the weapons. I also miss the old shields. I liked the hammer and bolts logo
It feels like they're taking away the identity of the different chambers and just making everyone into these sleeker, more Primaris styled Thunder strike models.
They don't look bad per say, and I know the older models had fallen behind with scale creep but still...
I like the new Liberator, but I still prefer the robed Sacrosanct models.
stormcast fell for the mewing meme
I prefer the new look tbh - the Thunderstrike armor just looks so much better, imo? I am with you on the helms generally though.
That said - the face helms are excellent as bits for adding to Slaanesh stuff. I'm just saying, you want to make a character look super vain? Give em a Stormcast mask on their knee or pauldron that looks kinda like their face. So, just make Stormcast helmetless and steal the leftover helms for the Perfect Prince. .>
It's great if you're a fan of a very particular race from Dr Who...
I like it for the most part, the only thing I miss from the old libs is the shield
Yeah the new stormcast should of had anihlator type shoulders :(
Kinda prefer the old liberators, although misproportioned looks more stronger than the new liberator.
I don't like the helmets, I don't like the new hammers. I didn't like the old hammers either but they were marginally better than the new one. I agree with you on almost every point.
If they want to go gritty, they need to make the proportions more real-world, less cartoon like, and unfortunately the size of those bloody hammers just undoes everything. The size of the hammer heads alone makes them look like they're from WoW.
Of everything in AoS, I dislike the storm cast the most, and this coming from a Space Marine player and fan since 3rd Ed.
Well I miss the old Kirioth! Pink was better than turquoise-blue! And they would've reviewed the White Scars Stormseer Consul! (I'm joking I don't notice any difference)
Not going to lie, I prefer the updated design over the old one... but the overall design doesn't 'excite' me, and never did.
I mean, I'd really like more variation for their head style. Something that isn't just the molded 'face' mask.
My local game stores still have boxes of Dominion still sitting on the shelves but here we are with another version of AOS...im sure this game is popular somewhere but I cant help but feel GW is in to deep with all these lines they are trying to carry and support. They really should have let AoS stagnate and let the old world get the new models...hell maybe just stop releasing new models and start actually replenishing your current stocks. Everytime i go to their website half of everything is out of stock.
i actually think theyd look pretty good with the old helmets, the new ones look so bad imho
At least the miniature looks less bulky.
Never liked the way over top design od aos both for the fantasy space marines and the aos orcs
I mean its not like you are forced to use the new sculps, and those old Liberators are dirt cheap
Theres an obvious design change from games workshop moving from all the old to the new and although not an aos player i font like the new liberator or the new stormcast too clean and slim
For me the massive weapons ruined it. I understand that heroic scale weapons was something to do with casting technology in the 1970s and 1980s and it sort of stuck, plus, if you look at the true-scale gladius on the original Warlord Games Roman Legionnaire set it "feels" undersized even though it's not.
But.
The weapons are too large for the model's hands; the warhammers they're carrying are too large for them to use one-handed; the face of the hammers being so large and so flat would distribute the force of the blow over too wide an area - defeating the armour-breaking purpose of a warhammer; the shields are too thick for protracted fighting... ...unless Stormcast Eternals are as strong as Space Marines? I don't know (despite repeated attempts) the lore of AOS so if they are that strong, ignore everything I said aside from the physics of how a warhammer is designed to work.
I hear you on the face helmets, I really don't like them too!
GW has really had a few downgrades recently. The new mark 3 armor and the liberators are some examples. Primaris vs tactical marines are another thing. Gw is really shying away from generic models that have so much personality.
Yeeeah can't say i'm a fan either.... I just keep staring at the nose too tbh.
The new models are much better!!
Thunderstrike = primaris
never really likes the SCE but I can barely tell the difference
We're a real fandom now lads, we actually old enough that we have veterans complaining about how the new models are shit. Brings a tear to my eye. /s
I knew we would get there... soon enough...
You know what brings tears to my eyes? That you all cannot except opninions anymore if they aren´t overall positive. You are the real problem here.
dude I been complaining since second edd.
specially about the prices.
Squidward Eternals.
Squidmarines?
@@yhormthemidget Stormwards. Which actually sounds like a name GW would come up with; the Stormcast and Imperium ranges don't have a lot of imagination.
Tbh I don't see it
Patrick Chaosstar
The vanguard armour is more high fantasy, the old liberator armour has always been a little too chunky, too close to marines.
I think I prefer the old shields though.
I disagree the old sigmarines looked extremely high fantasy and these new guys look like a Fallout 4 mod... aka retro near future.
I actually heard people say that about the new Steelhelm troopers too that they look Fallout dudes cosplaying as medieval infantry.
Oddly fitting since they’re all in a post-apocalyptic setting trying to rebuild on the chaos blasted wastelands.
When Age of Sigmar released I throw the fantasy setting of the old world to cope. And with a little time I started to like what games workshop was doing with it then I felt it went back to its old world roots and left AoS in a weird spot. To me Stormcast Eternals were reborn heroes in forged bodies of magic kinda like Rubric Marines or Necrons. So it makes sense to look like space marines. When they died I imagined there souls go to heaven like when zealot protoss died in starcraft. Then they release helmetless heads and my head canon shattered.
@@ce4879 I honestly wish that the human troops kept that renaissance HRE aesthetic from Warhammer Fantasy.
AoS in general lacks that vibe of regular mortals struggling against inevitable end of the world caused by literal demons and gods. Now it's just superpowered gods fighting each other all around.
You're mentally ill if you think a guy in full plate armour looks anything like the trash you see in Fallout. Apart from being painted silver, and made of metal, you've got nothing.
I actually kinda like it
I like them too, I feel like they have a better weight to them and just look more balanced, which I myself like. I do however understand if others don't enjoy it, that's fair too.
@@SirRoy oh yeah definitely I agree. It's a very unique style that I can see some people not liking it. I like the redesign because it makes them stand out as elite but separates them as lower tier from some of the super elite bulkier stormcast units.
Why? Probably because they got sick of people calling Stormcast "Ground Marines."
So they made them look even more marine like?
you mean sigmarines?
Eh they look better overall now@@LSOP-
Sides, helmet can always be swapped since i like both helmet sculps equally, cuz i like face casted masks in fiction armor but the armor is waaay better now
Fatcast
@@LSOP- *less
I think what bugs me about this redesign is that all the initial thunderstrike units, while based on the same basic armor design, were obviously different. Vindictors had the short chainmail skirt with no cloth elements. Vanquishers had the cloth skirts. Praetors had the capes and longer chainmail loincloths. Vigilors had both capes and skirts. And Annihilators were BIG. They all had clearly distinct silhouettes. Meanwhile this guy is almost identical to a Vindictor, with the only differences besides weapon loadout (helmet, notches on the shield, chest badge) being so minute that in most armies they would just be part of the slight variation within a unit. Two random battle sisters from the same sprue have more distinctions than this Liberator and the Vindictor does.
I think they’re going to consolidate the vindictors into the liberators and remove the sword options that liberators currently have & replace it with the spears as the current vindicators kit is etb with no options whatsover
I have to admit the loin-tabard thing looked good for the Stormcast main line. I'd actually say the NEW Liberator's chestpiece looks more overly detailed than either the old one, or the Vindicator's. The other two looked more practical by not etching out the SO many muscles. (Though the new Liberator still beats out the old in practicality thanks to the less-ridiculous armor).
Anyway Canoness, I'm just impressed you even remembered all those names, and typed all this out.
According to the Facebook post today they’re a separate kit you can customize with hammers + shields or all dual-hammers & champion prime with Grandhammer. This will all be possible in the starter box.
No Vindictor crossover. I think it’s because they’re gonna be a bit bigger than the spears despite a similar looking build.
Intercessors and Assault Intercessors are identical but have different weapons, clearly GW is doing the same thing in AoS that they did in 40K. It's just so they can have a simple and recognizable design pattern across the range, one that even new players walking in a store can attribute to a single faction.
@@brainstorm90 the problem with that is it’s boring & a way for gw to monetise the same kit but with a different weapon option in it it’s awful value for money as it’s essentially just a weapon swap kit with it still having less options than the previous one had its what makes the primaris line so awful & it will suck here to if that’s the path gw are taking with aos
Re: the helmets being faces, I read something recently that made me like them more. They're not just supposed to be helmets, they're death masks.
Also, Vindictors were always supposed to effectively be Liberators with spears in the lore. The only reason why we've seen them as different is because Vindictors were in the new armor, and Liberators weren't.
I'm not the hugest fan of the nose guard, but it works a LOT better on the model than it did in the video game it was first shown in, a few months ago. I'll hold off on a final opinion on it until I have them on my painting table.
As long as they don't turn green headed and exclaiming "Ssssssmokin'!" all the time, I could possibly live with this MASK for a helmet
That's right Wendy. We all wear masks metaphorically speaking
Glad I'm not the only one that saw that
Proportions look much better, feels like the Stormcast and AoS are coming into their own. Sure the heads could be better but you can absolutely swap them out.
It looks like a Knight from WhF/tOW with a sigmar head.. it doesnt look like a stormcast eternal
i'd also argue this is easies to kitbash as space marines than the last lot
But you can't swap the heads if older liberators are no longer sold.
There are always recasters, of course, but not everyone will follow this logic
Why are the hammerheads twice the size of the original Liberator ones. They look like bricks.
Old liberators were a bit better for golems in d&d likes. New liberators look better to me, less Space Marine.
This actually solves my big problem with Stormcast in them feeling like Fantasy Space Marines. I mean, it's still there in their DNA, but it's buried deeper now
I think it looks fine, much better then the older ones imo.
They simplified them to be easier to paint as the launch faction
That's true, they are very easy compared to old Liberators now. I don't know why people said old Liberators were easy to paint. I had easier time painting Chaos Warriors or Beastmen. Many more armies are easier to paint than Stormcast, cause they don't have golden trim, and flat surfaces everywhere. But these new Vindictors, and Liberators too, are at least a bit easier to paint than old Liberators and Sequitors (these are even a level harder)
Yea I was thinking they would be a lot easier to paint for people who are just getting into the hobby.
Well at least its more believable that a goblin could take one of these down
I like that they look more like golems and less like Space Marines, make more sense with their lore and make them more distinct.
I really like this new helmet, with a Hood they will look like DR. Doom
All my stormccast are bare heads, its the sundial fins i'm not massive on. But I like these minis updated to the newer armour.
Bare heads as in naked? Or with the head crests removed?
@@Raygun9000 helmetless heads, I can't be bothered with filing off all the crests 😂
in concept i completely love the idea of unspacemarining the stormcast range further. in that regard they look fine, great even. still feels strange to completely loose their signature chonkiness, and the way they softened some aspects of their design indead loses them quite a bit personality. ceeping the loin cloth and maybe more aspects of the helmet device would certainly have helped. i would even gone farther and make armored loin cloth their thing and add it to the back too.
I actually like thst it's similar to the Vindictors. It makes the army feel cohesive. I much prefer the chainmail to the long loincloth. The hammers are a touch on thr large side but yhr the lsdy with the grandhammer is perfect.
As for the whole Primaris argument, I thought the thing people hated about them was the lore. The new liberator is like a new mark. It's the same Stormcast getting refitted with new armour. GW have said you can still use your old models.
Man in the iron mask vibes. Totally agree the cloth would have changed them up a bit. Slightly longer shield or even given them a smaller round shield could have been cool.
Thats why these are the only sigmarines i like. Or rather these are the only ones i am aware of that look good. It wasn't until the World of Warhammer-ification of the old (?) models was pointed out in this video that i realised why i dislike the entire aesthetic of the range. Spent way to many years and hours in WOW, i dont need to be painting up WOW style models.
@@jamesmaybrick2001 hey if you like them dude. More power to you. Get an army going. I just wish I liked them more. I want AOS to succeed
Gw really just did primaris ground marines
Can't make this stuff up
i strangely see some interesting opportunity with these new helmets. if you sand off the lips sculpted on the helmet i bet they would start to take on an interesting dehumanized feel that would definitely fit the lore about how they have magic super dementia that's changing them from the inside out.
Between the lack of specific ornamentations, the occasional way that the helmet and war gear is structured, and the silver color scheme of the Hallowed Knights, I think that they are trying to communicate the grimness and more dour nature of the Warhammer settings. I think it is a fantastic and very interesting choice, that they need to do when the next edition of 40K comes around.
This is just the first step In making all the redeemer units the same warscroll with a different weapon in hand.
Not complaining just can see the writing on the wall for an edition or two down the road
I already have 30 old ones . These don't make me want more
This is exactly what i needed to be conviced to start a Stormcast army. The 4th edition box will not be shared for me lol
I would like to turn these stormcast into hammerguard veterans fir my salamanders.
It looks more robotic to me. Also scaling them down makes the base look massive
Maybe I'm a bit strange, but I look at the sprues of the Stormcast Liberators and they say 2014, and then I look at the sprues of the Eldar Dire Avengers and they say 2006. Still, GW has chosen to put out new Liberators instead. Warp Spiders, Fire Dragons and Swooping Hawks aren't even plastic.
I know these are two separate systems with two separate teams, but I guess the Liberators just FEEL newer to me, more than other models that been getting updates.
Hmm, Their was something that was bothering me about the new model, but I couldn't tell until it was side by side. First, without the scale loin cloth Drawing your eye up into the abs, their legs feel Bare and boring, i understand why they are smaller, to avoid ground marine jokes, But Without either Big thick armour their or something to draw the eyes up, The bottom half just looks boring, a single unbroken colour.
Secondly, the shield. I hate the smaller shield. This might be minor, But I fucking Love tower shields, I love Bigass shields that could substitute for a wall. The shield is now smaller, And With that open stance, It leaves his core, already feeling Sammy because of the bottom half, Also feeling bare, unlike the original who's chest is partially covered, Drawing your eye to the shields heraldry. personally, My eyes from the base, To the Loincloth, Up to the chest, Flick over to the shield and then his face on the first model, which does have it problems, but it know how to draw the eyes. The new model lacks that, It feels to open and with al of the core being silver, it lacks details to focus the eyes.
Helmets good though, I actually like the Big ass nose guard way better then the plain golden mask.
I like them, I think the new ones look more imposing, like something that is human, but kinda off.
If anything worries me, it's probably the rumours I am hearing that they won't come with a sword option, I quite liked the variation.
When AoS released Stormcast Eternals look like their armor trapped the soul of a reborn hero of the old world. I think it was Dope, like a medieval rubric marine or necron and in the new setting a Sigmar Angel. I always liked the idea that there were no bodies inside the armor just pure thunder energy and the soul and when they died they get released and fly back to heaven in a light stream sorta the Noah movie with rusell crowe when the rock fallen angels got killed. Man I remember getting so depressed when GW released a photo of a Stormcast without a mask/helmet just the bare head
The old models just invoke the feeling of "shieldwall", they look unmovable.
The new ones are just dudes in armour, that have hammers for some reason. I think if they retained the sword options they would look less "off"
To me, these new stormcast models are fantastic. I detest the old bulky look. That being said, i think that it was a poor choice to lead with this guy for the first model shown from the new box. I think that they should have gone with something more showy.
I don't collect AoS, but your feedback seems fair. It seems that they were put in line with the Vindictors and it's weird how some parts of them stand out. The comically large hammers are fine if they are meant to represent their greater strength, if paired with a shield that can match the size. The more slender knight builds are also a bit unfortunate because I always considered Liberators to be kind of the Space Marines of AoS in that it gave bulky standout "human" units for the forces of Order; they worked as a beautiful counterpart to the typically bulky warriors of Chaos armies (and yes, I know that them being an AoS counterpart to Space Marines is a complaint for some). In contrast with these models and also with models like the Vindictors I feel like I just see a horde of Balthasar Gelt's, lol.
As for the line down the middle of their helmet... at first I wasn't bothered by it but the more I look at the models the more it starts to bother me. It's like they absolutely wanted them to resemble some sort of Spartan helmet or any helmet with a nose cover... by reinforcing it on the outside? Like, it literally looks as if it's riveted on there. Why? At least the halos represent a sun, light and order (despite being impractical) and historically speaking there were armies that on occassion used impractical helmets to intimidate their foes, but the reinforced nose seems like... they just wanted a nose (cover) riveted on? I feel like this is the typical artist mistake where you keep adding fluff for your fantasy character/model and thus end up making something worse. If the thing itself doesn't explain why it's there, you probably shouldn't add it in the first place.
With that said, the lion shoulder pad looks cool. The lack of scapular/groin armour/tabard and being replaced with like an armoured skirt is fine from a practical and historical usage of armour point of view, but it does feel like the model lost some character. It's all a bit of a mixed bag, really... but thematically the old Liberators look like a more complete, more fitting and faction identifying model.
I wouldn't go as far as to call them a "beautiful counterpart" to chaos warriors. If anything they utterly nullified the intimidation factor of chaos. Stormcast have always been mistake in that regard. Now they're a better proportioned mistake, minus the goofy hammers.
I actually kind of like the new helmets. At least they are better than the existing Liberator ones, I always hated them.
At least they don't look like sh*tty 40k knock offs so much anymore. But still don't like the AoS designs.
New proportions are great. The new helmets are Dr Doom, but not really digging them either
Really? I found the old models to thick and clunky and just not great proportions
I find their lack of Loin cloth disturbing
Just a space marine for aos. Same design.
I think that those hammers are waaaay too big, they give a kinda comical look.
Increase their shields by 20%, decrease their hammers by AT LEAST 30% and the whole figure is more balanced.
The lips are giving Overlord from the IDW transformers comics
I loved the old sigmarines and these new guys look out of place in the high fantasy setting of AOS... Like very grounded powerarmor looking like a near future version of Fallout power armor.
One of those where I don't feel a massive need to rush out and buy a bunch of the new version of the thing. I quite like this new design having said that. I would be very happy if they do this revamp for Judicators as I had held off on picking up the old ones, I like their design a lot less than classic Libs.
Is wrong that I kind of miss the chunkier Stormcasts? If they had more typical knight helmets rather than the death masks, they’d probably be one of the best factions aesthetically.
Kitbash them then
Honestly I thought the old ones looked like obese men, rather than strong soldiers.
I'd just flat out replace stormcast with cities of sigmar, normal humans just fit the setting better, feels like fantasy arc berserk.
I really hope the evocators and sequitors don't get hit like this in the future.
Hard agree on a lot of this. Generally upgraded sculpts, but with plenty of hangups that make it difficult to love. Like the prominent "schnoze", the shoulder pads that are now just slightly _too_ small for the intended bulk the unit is supposed to convey.
I think my creative differences with these sculpts is that, irrespective of the aesthetic value, they fail to fully capture the visual language of the originals. The loss of the tabards, the changed shield, the helmet band. They all deviate from qualities that made Liberators what they were. If you showed these to a Stormcast player but didn't tell them they were new Liberators, would they be able to tell that's what GW was going for? I don't know that they would. Enough distinctive details are altered that they just don't jive.
The resculpt should have taken the original design and given it "proper" proportions. Undeniably the ones we got solved major problems with the originals. They LOOK like the armor fits them now. At the same time, they don't look enough like Liberators anymore. They look like a completely new unit, that was then handed hammers.
It's sort of the same problem I have with the Demon's Souls remake versus the original. Undeniably looks good. But with design changes that alter the details or intent of the original. Enough that it kind of bothers me.
I like them, but they’re also a bit more bland looking.
They’re missing some of the flair, and tassels, and… I guess soul of the originals from- oh god almost 10 years ago???
Again though, I like them! I really do! But I hope GW sells them as an Alternative to the old kit, rather than a replacement.
I adore it way more than the old one...might actually grab some models for painting reasons
Also you mean they swapped scapulas for tabards.