i dont care what people says behringer is the future of poor mix and mastering engineers at last now i can break plugins and use hardware for just a fraction of the cost thank you BEHRINGER
Just be smart, in a few years these will pop everywhere on reverb/websites alike for half of its price, i'll make sure to get mine when the time comes!
Thanks for featuring Somewhere or Nowhere as the first song on this shootout. Your vocals transformed the song to different heights. I was thinking about ordering one of these, sounds like it will need replacement knobs out of the box. Would love to see you do a video running busses/stems through this. Behringer might have something here.
I'm sorry to hear about the front panel knobs. I'll buy it anyways at the current price point and will use my large collection of old knobs to replace the current ones when it arrives. It's till a great deal and it will sit next to my SSL compressor to A/B and use as an alternative mix buss compressor.
The 369-KT didn't stand out nearly so much as your Neve 1073 preamps (which aren't even meant to be compressors). I see other comments calling for driving the input harder to get better color, but I'm guessing you'd hit clipping before those Midas transformers warmed up. Still, I did like high-ratio fast attack -- it gave your mixing style a radio-like broadcast limited sound, which is a great effect for your usual 80s styling. It evoked memories of listening to my boom box ages ago, and does a good job bringing your voice front and center. On a short release, it didn't totally squash your effects either, which is a nice distinction. Too bad about the front panel. 👍
I'm happy you noticed. This was indeed a real-life session as I'm slowly, one by one, putting all of my back catalogue up onto my channel, into a playlist. So I'm remastering a lot of the songs and since I had this in I wanted to use it on few songs. That 80s radio sound is exactly what I was going for hence the threshold level and little to no saturation from the transformers. Cheers :)
Great song!! you are really "the 80's" alltrough,.. even the watch on your wrist is looking like a Casio f-91W or such, love the new KT-396 results,...thanks Dear Espen
these knobs are stepped resistance attenuations, not crappy potentiometers, this is mastering grade, I guess you can make them less grippy adjusting them
I would have preferred an attack knob instead of a slow/fast switch, personally. Shame about the build quality though. Seems like a decent, affordable piece of gear, otherwise.
Aww..every since the Waves L1 plug in came out.....everything got smashed to oblivion. Even I did it. But I still use a TL Audio C-1 tube compressor to control the the vocals. Cheap, sweet and warm.
sorry but I dont hear any difference when you're tweaking... I have the same 369KT and it makes big difference when pushed hard. I honestly dont hear any sound changing on this video... are you shure you plugged it right? Just guessin... I loooove the 369, it sounds like silk when desiderd (like my my Phoenix by Thermionic) but on drums it really push everything on front (Led Zeppelin sound). maybe its just my ears... but I've just checked ather videos and I can definitely hear the difference (by pass/on)
@@EspenKraft sorry I didnt meant to be disprespctful, it was an honest comment just to find out what was wrong with it... sorry buddy, its alright I'm happy with mine to a looking for my next purchase: the 1273
Nothing is wrong with it. I just didn't push it in this particular demo. I did a part 2 where I do push it. As a bus compressor I just want it to smooth things over. If I'd used it on bass or drums, for parallel compression I'd pushed it more.
I would like to know more about what you meant by you didn't like the"tactile" feeling of the unit. You mentioned that under another comment saying that's why you got rid of it. Thx 😀
@@Rareos all depends on the source material level - especially so with hardware. For especially hot "Professional" Line-Level or Eurorack Modular sources -20 would be exactly what you'd use to bring levels down to a realistic level when going into a mic-pre or standard interface/"consumer" line mixer level.
@@goonfish no the threshold isn't bringing the input level down, it's setting the level at which the compressor/limiter begins to react. So based on what the meters are doing here while threshold is set to -20db, the input signal is weak. The transformers at the various stages in this unit want more voltage, driving them to get into the harmonic content they impart is an important part of this unit's character. Go look at any other demo of a 33609 and check where the threshold is.
Drive transformers into transformers (you have 1073 clones that can btw additionally simulate mixing console summing bus) and that compressor is probably better for natural instruments instead of synths…but there are no rules really. Best on buses and for master. That compressor has more character then SSL Bus for example. Behringer won’t and should not be transparent!
I think the ping pong bass makes it very difficult to hear the compression. Even when compressor is bypassed the type of bass track almost sound like it's compressed.
Knobs make zero difference to the sound, they're purely aesthetic, and will reduce the cost by maybe 10-30 bucks. That might be a lot to some people. They are easy to change up if you want to.
@@TheDavidPoole I understand all that, but 10-30 USD won't be gamechanger for anyone who pays 400+... maybe when not Finance will drive procurements... this is a phenomenon in all businesses. In the meantime all of them markets with sustainabe future and green... Shame.
I don't know who hears what from the demo, but choosing compressed music as a source is not very lucky. Let's say it's pointless, and you can't even hear what the test subject is actually doing.
Ridiculous product strategy by Mehringer 😂 Their usual customers never had solid exposure to the original units anyway and are easy to fool by similar looks. But if they're happy, it's all good 🎉
I own several Behringer products, most of which I have had, or used the originals. I can say that their clones are very good and the build quality is so much better than it was 20-30 years ago.
If your contention is correct, that people easily will be fooled by looks, whether it sounds close or not, then it actually would be a GOOD business strategy for Behringer to design around looks rather than sound. But that's your assertion, that it doesn't sound close. Personally, I've heard more emulations than the real thing, and I don't think Espen smashed this very hard in the examples, or explored more extreme settings. It's hard for me to actively dislike the mild compression from this video. My main concern is, if you're going to make the knobs so tight to turn, don't use flimsy knob caps. Some side to side comparison would be helpful to know whether it sounds like the original.
@@StatetrooperBillyBill I have a TD-3 and rarely use it for generating sound, because it has a certain sound that always comes through. No matter how many effects you cover it with 👨🏼🍳 Then, there's the OG TB-303 which I always like. So I keep the TD-3 just as a storage unit for patterns that are not yet great enough to be on the TB-303, yet not too shabby either.
@@GizzyDillespee I worked with the original unit for years and also with many other studio staples and never heard a convincing emulation of those. There are certainly great tools in the digital domain, but those are not emulations of hardware units, but rather modern and unique and creative approaches.
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i dont care what people says behringer is the future of poor mix and mastering engineers at last now i can break plugins and use hardware for just a fraction of the cost thank you BEHRINGER
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wait until it breaks. These cheap units are not repairable.
Rubbish thats a fanboy speach
Hit it harder, let those transformers show their true colours. thanks for the demo.
Part 2 is out now. Cheers
Just be smart, in a few years these will pop everywhere on reverb/websites alike for half of its price, i'll make sure to get mine when the time comes!
we are living in a great time! Great gear for reasonal prices. Love it!
wait until ww3
Thanks for featuring Somewhere or Nowhere as the first song on this shootout. Your vocals transformed the song to different heights.
I was thinking about ordering one of these, sounds like it will need replacement knobs out of the box. Would love to see you do a video running busses/stems through this. Behringer might have something here.
It turned out alright and very happy with it too. ;-) The Behringer is gone now. Couldn't stand the tactile feel of it. It sounded good though.
Sounds great on the first song. When you engage it, It really pulls the bass and drums up from the back. Sounds full but not muddy.
It sounds really good on these mixes.
I'm sorry to hear about the front panel knobs. I'll buy it anyways at the current price point and will use my large collection of old knobs to replace the current ones when it arrives. It's till a great deal and it will sit next to my SSL compressor to A/B and use as an alternative mix buss compressor.
The 369-KT didn't stand out nearly so much as your Neve 1073 preamps (which aren't even meant to be compressors). I see other comments calling for driving the input harder to get better color, but I'm guessing you'd hit clipping before those Midas transformers warmed up. Still, I did like high-ratio fast attack -- it gave your mixing style a radio-like broadcast limited sound, which is a great effect for your usual 80s styling. It evoked memories of listening to my boom box ages ago, and does a good job bringing your voice front and center. On a short release, it didn't totally squash your effects either, which is a nice distinction. Too bad about the front panel. 👍
I'm happy you noticed. This was indeed a real-life session as I'm slowly, one by one, putting all of my back catalogue up onto my channel, into a playlist. So I'm remastering a lot of the songs and since I had this in I wanted to use it on few songs. That 80s radio sound is exactly what I was going for hence the threshold level and little to no saturation from the transformers. Cheers :)
Eapen- so pet shop boys influence on this track
Great tracks
Cheers!
Great review thank you
Sounds better than plug ins thats for sure
Awsome Mr. KRAFT... You Rock!.... Or You Synth Pop!!!
Nice song!
Thanks!
Sounds killer, and great track! What’s doing bass ?
Thanks! Can't remember. It's, been years since I mixed both of these tracks.
A knob kit would do it. I hope Behringer gets the memo and makes the improvement.
Great song!! you are really "the 80's" alltrough,.. even the watch on your wrist is looking like a Casio f-91W or such, love the new KT-396 results,...thanks Dear Espen
Cheers!
these knobs are stepped resistance attenuations, not crappy potentiometers, this is mastering grade, I guess you can make them less grippy adjusting them
Hey, I really loved that TR 808 mix !! ... The arrangements are really good
Thanks!
I'm just here the synthy vibes.
You do sound like the petshop boys!
I like it
I would have preferred an attack knob instead of a slow/fast switch, personally. Shame about the build quality though. Seems like a decent, affordable piece of gear, otherwise.
Aww..every since the Waves L1 plug in came out.....everything got smashed to oblivion. Even I did it.
But I still use a TL Audio C-1 tube compressor to control the the vocals. Cheap, sweet and warm.
👌
nice song Bytheway
Thanks!
Which I buy first vocal comp 369 or wa 2a or bluey?
sorry but I dont hear any difference when you're tweaking... I have the same 369KT and it makes big difference when pushed hard. I honestly dont hear any sound changing on this video... are you shure you plugged it right? Just guessin...
I loooove the 369, it sounds like silk when desiderd (like my my Phoenix by Thermionic) but on drums it really push everything on front (Led Zeppelin sound). maybe its just my ears... but I've just checked ather videos and I can definitely hear the difference (by pass/on)
After 30 years as a pro studio musician and owner I know how to plug things in thank you.
@@EspenKraft sorry I didnt meant to be disprespctful, it was an honest comment just to find out what was wrong with it... sorry buddy, its alright I'm happy with mine to a looking for my next purchase: the 1273
Nothing is wrong with it. I just didn't push it in this particular demo. I did a part 2 where I do push it. As a bus compressor I just want it to smooth things over. If I'd used it on bass or drums, for parallel compression I'd pushed it more.
I would like to know more about what you meant by you didn't like the"tactile" feeling of the unit. You mentioned that under another comment saying that's why you got rid of it.
Thx 😀
My thoughts are always augmented in my video descriptions. Cheers
on and off are very the same thing to me.
Cool video. You forgot to set the Threshold.
I forgot nothing. ;-) Cheers
Are you joking? Espen Kraft is infallible
@@EspenKraft but -20 on the threshold suggest a pretty tame input.
@@Rareos all depends on the source material level - especially so with hardware.
For especially hot "Professional" Line-Level or Eurorack Modular sources -20 would be exactly what you'd use to bring levels down to a realistic level when going into a mic-pre or standard interface/"consumer" line mixer level.
@@goonfish no the threshold isn't bringing the input level down, it's setting the level at which the compressor/limiter begins to react. So based on what the meters are doing here while threshold is set to -20db, the input signal is weak. The transformers at the various stages in this unit want more voltage, driving them to get into the harmonic content they impart is an important part of this unit's character. Go look at any other demo of a 33609 and check where the threshold is.
Drive transformers into transformers (you have 1073 clones that can btw additionally simulate mixing console summing bus) and that compressor is probably better for natural instruments instead of synths…but there are no rules really. Best on buses and for master. That compressor has more character then SSL Bus for example. Behringer won’t and should not be transparent!
Dude! The vibe... Who cares compressor?
It does the job really well, but I never heard the original machine.
And delivering with parts missing ? Come on Behringer, you can do better.
that's part of the magic sauce
Would you buy this or a vintage Alesis 3630?
Quite different compressors. I'd never use the 3630 as a bus compressor myself. This I would.
Better get a DBX than an Alesis imo
How do you quantize your audio tracks?
I don't.
I think the ping pong bass makes it very difficult to hear the compression. Even when compressor is bypassed the type of bass track almost sound like it's compressed.
I never understood why a cheap clone is trying to be cheap via plastic knobs... :( And it can ruin the overall feel and otherwise good sound.
Knobs make zero difference to the sound, they're purely aesthetic, and will reduce the cost by maybe 10-30 bucks. That might be a lot to some people. They are easy to change up if you want to.
@@TheDavidPoole I understand all that, but 10-30 USD won't be gamechanger for anyone who pays 400+... maybe when not Finance will drive procurements... this is a phenomenon in all businesses. In the meantime all of them markets with sustainabe future and green... Shame.
yeah, I cant hear any change.... the only real change here is thos needles moving. lol
Sneaky pete
The problem with Behringrrr will be the future… but who cares about the future?
I don't know who hears what from the demo, but choosing compressed music as a source is not very lucky. Let's say it's pointless, and you can't even hear what the test subject is actually doing.
🫖🎂🥂
It’s not really a fair test, because everything sounds better without Behringer
snob
Translation: The word Behringer triggers me
🤣
Stupid comment
Even if it's not a 1:1 clone, I'm sure it's adding some good harmonics to the track. With the name brand Neve, you're mostly paying for the name.
Someone doesn’t have ears
Ridiculous product strategy by Mehringer 😂 Their usual customers never had solid exposure to the original units anyway and are easy to fool by similar looks. But if they're happy, it's all good 🎉
I own several Behringer products, most of which I have had, or used the originals. I can say that their clones are very good and the build quality is so much better than it was 20-30 years ago.
If your contention is correct, that people easily will be fooled by looks, whether it sounds close or not, then it actually would be a GOOD business strategy for Behringer to design around looks rather than sound. But that's your assertion, that it doesn't sound close. Personally, I've heard more emulations than the real thing, and I don't think Espen smashed this very hard in the examples, or explored more extreme settings. It's hard for me to actively dislike the mild compression from this video. My main concern is, if you're going to make the knobs so tight to turn, don't use flimsy knob caps.
Some side to side comparison would be helpful to know whether it sounds like the original.
Part 2 is out tonight and will show more aggressive settings.
@@StatetrooperBillyBill I have a TD-3 and rarely use it for generating sound, because it has a certain sound that always comes through. No matter how many effects you cover it with 👨🏼🍳 Then, there's the OG TB-303 which I always like. So I keep the TD-3 just as a storage unit for patterns that are not yet great enough to be on the TB-303, yet not too shabby either.
@@GizzyDillespee I worked with the original unit for years and also with many other studio staples and never heard a convincing emulation of those. There are certainly great tools in the digital domain, but those are not emulations of hardware units, but rather modern and unique and creative approaches.
Sounds rather nice for the money...
The track sounds EXACTLY like The Beloved from the early 1990s BTW...