This is not widely known (or is probably widely forgotten) but Palm bought Be Inc. in 2001. Then either Google bought Palm's software department or hired a bunch of Palm engineers away from Palm. Either way, Android was developed by engineers who also wrote the PalmOS and BeOS operating systems. So in a way the Palm really WAS the future of handheld devices. (I worked for Be Inc. for a few months while this happened; unfortunately I was one of the engineers who was laid off when Palm bought Be).
Does that mean you worked on Emerald City? If I recall correctly (former Palm employee here pre-Be acquisition and BeOS user), a lot of the BeOS folks were not happy with the acquisition, but Microsoft owning the boot partition killed the possibility of BeOS on shipping x86 PCs.
Palm bought BeOS but for some reason they didn't use BeOS's multitasking and ARM architecture. Google took Palm's WebOS UI engineer, after HP bought and destroyed Palm,which thay created the modern android UI.
The Palm III series was the absolute best. Back in the day I had a IIIxe (same as the IIIe but with 8MB of memory), and had a belt clip case for it. Used to set appointments, memos, play games, all that stuff. Also can be set up to sync your email, which worked great. The idea was the "businessman" would sync before leaving for work in the morning, reply to whoever needed on the train on the ride in, and at work, sync again, and those messages would be sent out. Worked great. The IR port on it doesn't just beam to other Palm devices. It can HotSync wirelessly using a laptop's IR port, and can also send memos and other text out over the IR should you have a printer with an IR receiver on it. Yes, I've done everything I've mentioned in this entire comment. Usually the HotSync was very very fast, even over serial. Though if the batteries had gone completely dead it would take a few minutes to transfer those 8MB back over a serial cable! The IIIc was the ultimate in the III series, had a COLOR screen. Never had one, but knew someone who did. I liked the III series more than the m500 and m505 which were the newer incarnations with a faster processor, rechargeable battery, and USB sync. The III series processor was just fast enough, yet just slow enough. Bejeweled was a very popular game on these older series Palms, I suggest you try to find a copy as you'd enjoy the patterns on the gems (jewels?) much like you did Tetris.
It really was great. I remember seeing them used on hospital rounds when people would use their IR features to sync a team of doctors with the pts they would take care of that day, or you could download software (books/calculators) for pt care. They just evolved so quickly and merged with phones so fast that they were relics by 2005. I can't think of another consumer electronics device that evolved itself out of existence that fast; even MP3 players (ipods) hung around for 10 years or so.
These humidity meters have a sensor which absorbs the moisture into a special coating between two electrodes. The resistance between both electrodes is the value seen by the electronics. They become imprecise because of two reasons: 1 - the coating ages and does not absorb moisture that well after many years 2 - cheap meters use DC instead of AC to measure the resistance. But this will start an electrolytic reaction, which destroys the electrodes over time. The resistance should drop as metal ions get dissolved into the coating. So the measured humidity will be to high. Bigclive did a great video about this some time ago.
I have hydrometric tables from WW2 that allow you to look up the humidity when comparing the tempreature difference between 2 thermometers, one of which has its bulb wrapped in wet tissue paper. I think I should give that a go
It’s also worth noting that they are not usually exceptionally precise, so a spread of +/-10 points would not be unusual between devices unless they have been individually characterized and calibrated.
I'm the Owner of A Palm Tungsten...I Definitely Love this PDA..Games Spreadsheets, business contacts, the memories..LOL! .I just took it out of my drawer, and will be installing the games i currently have saved on a sd card. Originally i was going to throw it out..You have given my pda new life once more, and id like to thank you for that.
This was my first PDA. They really got everything right with it: very light, thin enough that it was comfortable in a pocket, and very long battery life. Writing in Graffiti was actually a bit addictive once I got the hang of it. I used mine for the calendar all the time. I had some great games on it, especially one called Strategic Commander which I'd love to be able to play again.
One of my favorite uses of the palm was the noviiremote software which turns it an infrared remote control for TV, DVD, Air conditioning, etc. There were preinstalled brands and an option to learn/clone from an actual ir controller
I had one of these back in the day. I used a spread sheet app for work. I tried a pet (cat) simulator game once. It drained the batteries after three days. One day I turned on the Palm and the cat tipped over and died.
All of your videos are so interesting! I have been learning so much from your videos and I've gotta say... they aren't simply dumping information. They are funny, relevant and very well recorded. Gee, why didn't they just leave cellphones at these? That's all that a person needs! A home phone and a PDA...
Sarah F Yea. Smartphones are nice and all, but they are like mini computers these days. You can almost do anything on them and that's the problem. Adults and kids get addicted to them. Waste most of their time on them. I have so many times thought if i should buy a nokia 3310 and sell my samsung smartphone.
Memories! I used to work for 3 Com! The Palm was branded as 3com, because we bought US Robitics to get their modem business. Palm was a subsidiary of US Robitics.... so once 3com got a hold of them, they screwed it all up. This all happened in like 2000
DownassMusic I remember that, and it was very annoying. It was perfect until they got on board. Here's the thing, people like me were seriously married to that thing and the change was traumatic in some ways. I seem to recall it just stopped being reliable on the sync end.
I remember when 3Com discontinued their business networking products to focus on the small office and home market. BIG mistake. I liked those old Corebuilers and Superstack switches.
it gets worse... Palm is coming back in a few months as a subsidiary of TCL with a small 3.3-inch Android 8.1 phone. 3Com's folly is still reverberating here in the current day.
Capolaya LoL yes! Big mistake! I was doing tech support, building 6 In Santa Clara, and all of a sudden, we switched gears and We bring out Audrey and bought some start up kerbamgo... I was like WTF??? Completely killed us!! Were you there??
Thinkpad T20 back in progress - PDA in hand - Now a 'hotsync' cable - Palm computer program installed - Go! \, \, \, \, May wonders never cease! Thanks for letting us 'play'!
So, when I was in graduate school in 1999, these Palm devices were all the rage. The problem was, Palm itself outclassed/outdated their own devices every 3-4 months or better. A quick review of Wikipedia shows that in the space of 4 years (1999-2003), they released 20 devices (each with more memory, features, degrees of connectivity), until finally, around 2003 they combined it with a phone - and suddenly all prior PDA's became dead plastic bricks nobody wanted. I can't think of another expensive electronic device which evolved so quickly that within 4 years any prior version became obsolete and forgotten. It really was stunning, nobody used these things by 2004.
Well, a lot of people use digital cameras. I love my iphone, but if you want to do serious photography, large sensors, large lenses, and high resolution are key. My 1rst gen prosumer DSLR, the original Canon rebel, 15 years old, still takes better pics than my iphone (as long as you dont blow them up to all get out). But for point and shoot stuff like at parties and those moments you wish you had a cheap camera to take a pic - the iPhone or Android equivalent basically put a pretty decent point and shoot camera in everyone's hands.
@@kd8opi It's niche enough I'd say is no longer a lot of people. Mirrorless and DSLRs sure but those are for professional work or hobbyists. And smartphone cameras get better on crazy cadence especially if you don't stick to one vendor.
@@eila2088 No, I think you're wrong. The cameras on smartphones will always be limited by their minuscule lenses. Physics wins. They are fine for snap-shots, but smartphone cameras don't even touch today's $200-300 point and shoots in terms of quality. I have a waterproof/shockproof/dustproof/environment-proof olympus that was only a few hundred dollars (call it 4 months of smart-phone bills), and on a recent trip there just isn't much comparison to pics taken with smartphones on that same trip. Love the camera on my iPhone-because its super convenient. But I'd rather take pics with anything else.
@@kd8opi I'm curiously what iPhone but also as mentioned I was talking smartphones in general, plus you were mentioning 10+ year old dedicated cameras. My other point was also that it is pros and hobbyists using dedicated cameras. Is relatively easy to see decline of dedicated camera sales (especially cheap consumer aimed ones) to see that is true (go pro types are doing well I guess...?). 20XX smartphone will never beat a dedicated camera from same year that isn't utter shite from aliexpress no doubt.
So many memories!! We used to sell these, and later, Palm devices in our computer department at the USAF base where I work in the UK, and mainly to air-crew - there was specific software available at the time for pilots, and their crew, which our guys used in conjunction with their aircraft's systems software! These old PDA's are brilliant pieces of kit, and nice to have, even today!! :-)
I had a Palm Pilot..but my favourite PDA and general pocket computer was the Psion Series 3a which is an industrial and software design masterpiece and predates the Palm
My POE got one of these in 1999 or 2000 when we bought some new digital scales from WeighTech. The Palm was pre-loaded from WeighTech with software to program the scales via IR. When it came time to actually use the Palm, it was nowhere to be found. We still have WeighTech scales, but now they're programmed with an Android tablet.
Palm had the best calendar still to this day. You could just click and drag appointments and rearrange your whole week in half a minute. Making a new appointment was blazingly fast, just click on the time and write. To Do lists could be divided into multiple categories, not just 1 bucket as in Outlook. Took the rest of the computer world 15 years or more to catch up. Graffiti was also very fast, and accurate, with no spell checking to annoy you. I had a modem with which you could up and download emails in about 30 seconds. Syncing with PC took just seconds, I curse my iPhone all day for its slowness and its inaccurate onscreen keyboard and spelling mistakes. The nicest thing about the Palms was that they moved as fast your brain and thoughts do.
That was 2 months in standby. Realistically under heavy use (as I put mine under) i'd get about 7-10 days on average. Still, incredible for the time all the same. Only downside, which was a BIG one... was that the memory was not modern flash like today, but battery backed. So if the batteries went dead, the entire device would reset to factory, and you'd have to hotsync your last backup to get things back to where they were. You would have about 20-30 seconds to change the batteries before this would happen, but if you were out and about with no batteries on a hand, this would skunk you from time to time as it did me from time to time. Still for turn of the millennium tech, this was the greatest thing going at the time.
@ mzxeternal As you may know, later Palm devices used non-volatile memory. Also, the flash memory card slots in later devices offered a way to back up automatically, even without synchronizing.
@ Jan Trancer Ruza Another advantage to these early, monochrome PDA's, is that the display was easily visible in bright sunlight. Not the case with today's devices.
I mean you can get a kindle for dirt cheap that can do many functions this did (hell with the Web browser technically all of them) and has months battery life with much better and bigger screen.
What a classic, the Palm IIIe was my first PDA, I still have it. After this I got a Handspring Visor Deluxe with 8mb of memory and and expansion, it was great. I actually still use a Palm to this day, it's a Palm LifeDrive also the graffiti does take some getting used to but I can enter data quite fast with it
@@rafamericano There is some legacy software that I like to use on it, some calculators, an expense tracking application and the old games are still fun. I do somewhat enjoy the e-book reading on it since the screen can reflect light. And lastly, it is a good offline backup for passwords if you know what you're doing.
Very glad to see the ThinkPad made a recovery from its nightmarish ordeal! Nice find! Always was a wonder just how versatile and long-lasting these little Palms could be. Fantastic little gadgets. Must admit Sony definitely took Palm OS to new levels with their later CLIÉ series though.
I had the Palm IIIxe in high school, my dad gave it to me after he switched to BlackBerry. I thought it was the coolest thing ever, I put my whole schedule in there, took notes on it in class, played games, mastered the art of Graffiti, I brought it everywhere.
I had the Palm IIIc, the one with colour display. I loved that thing before smartphones were a thing. This helped me a great deal not to forget everything and to filter out important and unimportant things. I just wrote down what I thought was unimportant and had it at hand when I needed it. I could have done that on paper but getting reminders when appointments were due was priceless. I always told the others who said I wasted my money that a piece of paper doesn’t beep when I need the information on it.
The calculator actually can do square roots. You just need to press the contextual menu button (drop-down icon) while in the calculator and tap the option for advanced or scientific. It's actually fairly nice enabling that in the calculator. For the most part, this device is nearly identical to my Handspring Visor Deluxe (graphite color). Unfortunately, I had dropped it last year and the touch screen is completely dead.
There were some great calculator and unit conversion programs available for the Palm platform. Still available on the web, last I checked. If you want to replace your Visor, you might still be able to find one second hand through Amazon or eBay for example. Non rechargeable devices are the best to buy used, since rechargeable batteries often don't work after all these years. If you want a rechargeable Palm device, I still love my Pam Treo, since the battery is snap on, and easily replaced, if you can find a new battery for it.
As amazing as all this were back then, the process the miniature tech took in this area has been tedious to watch over for 3 decades. It's pretty satisfying now thou.
These Palm devices were used a lot in business situations, so I would be surprised if they aren't still supported. A lot of old tech is like that, it just hangs around forever because it just works. I wrote a Roguelike app for PalmOS many years ago. I used an emulator to develop it; I've never actually seen one of these things in person.
0:56 That wasn't the first one. The first was the "Psion Organiser" from 1984. The "Newton" is the first that I can think of that had a touchscreen, though.
I remember my Mom having one of these back in the Early 2000's. At 4-5 years old, PDAs in general almost seemed like the coolest gadgets that only cool teens and high-class adults were carrying. 15 years later, at 20 years old, I'm literally typing this comment on a smaller device that could do so much more than what those "too-cool-4-kidz" PDAs were performing. Crazy how unpredictable technology has gone at this point.
Love these Palms! I have a whole bunch of them of various models, including a few of the Symbol ones with the integrated laser barcode scanner. They are so functional and easy to use, absolutely excellent. I really like the Graffiti system as well.
thank you this was useful to me because I currently use a paper memo pad and pen because i am very busy and often need to check task lists and jot down things to remember quickly and my smartphone is incapable of configuring to do this. QUICKLY is the main element i need. any inconvenient wait adds to the likelihood i wont write down that thing i need to remember while im busy doing something else and I'll lose it by trusting my memory and increase the likelihood i wont check my agenda or task list and just try to remember it instead. but these two features of the memo pad have helped me become super productive and better organized overall . and my expensive pocket laptop can't do this for me, i also can't be quick and rough with it, and a backlit smartphone screen is hard on the eyes. i would not be able to juggle attending university full time , a full time job, and a committed relationship without a simple memo pad helping me keep track of all of it. so im f@#king going back. just watch me. even though i was an infant or toddler when this existed and ive never held one. if this palm iii is close to as quick as my memo pad is to pull out and use it will be greatly convenient to me with 1500 memo pages and graffiti write to text. also, having a central unit with my memos in it instead of 2 or 3 memo pads floating around would be great too.
I went through several Palm PDAs and eventually several Palm Treo phones (Yes, Apple fans, I was doing the internet thing while on the bus for several years hefore the iPhone) One thing about the early Palm (primative) LCD screen: You could read it in full sunlight, Now I have to cup my hand over my phone to just see what time it is, But hey, it's in HD!
I had the Palm III as a kid. I used the hell out of it. Syncing all the cool apps and games on it, used to to make animations and everything. Never got it connected to a wireless network though, it was way too expensive.
I had this wonderful product upgrading from the Palm Pilot. Using an Ericsson SH888 mobile phone which had a modem built in, I connected the two via the Infrared ports on both and POW! Email. And, there were SMS applications, AND a keyboard... And WAP websites... It was a glorious time!
Palm was highly successful for years into the 2000s. The thing that spelled the end for the company was the iPhone. People were still rocking Palm PDA's up until that point. I had one I used to use with an infared port on a flip phone for internet access, let alone the Treo's which were incredibly successful until that point. The platform was a success for a decade before being rendered obsolete.
I have a Palm Pilot IIIxe which I purchased new and used part of the time until I was told that it could not be used on the job. I have to look for the back cover for it since the batteries was removed, but don't know if the battery cover is in the area where the unit was stored.
I remember the Palm pilot. I used to have one since 2000 or 2001. Sadly, it was broken, because one of the housemates took it and tore it apart and broke it. I reported to the house manager and he cannot steal my Palm pilot again. This was before the iPod came along, and so did the iPhone. This was one of the earlier gadgets from 1999. I missed the Palm pilot so much.
Where I work we still use Janam's with a similar GUI. The handwriting bar has caused quite a bit of issues, as depending on the software if you touch it, it will screw up the settings (putting a period into databases etc) and you won't know it until you look at a report. This report on a good day would be less than a page. But say you bumped that handwriting bar and it decided to add a period or a z to the database that gets sent to a server. Now you have a twenty page report and you have to edit the entries manually explaining the error.
I love these classic palms. I have a couple of Sony Clie' PDS that use Palm OS. A Palm Treo 650. A broken Palm Visor. What is cool the Palm desktop software still works on Windows 10. I have even used it with my Palm Treo.
I used them for 10 years, maybe longer. I was lost without it. It was a great device for me, for a long time. I bought three of them as they upgraded. still have them somewhere.
I still carry my Treo 700p along with an Android smartphone. It has a lot of databases and apps that I didn't want to give up. The Treos are so easy to change out the batteries so it works like new.
I had the transparent IIIe back in the day and absolutely loved it. Just found a sealed one on eBay for £25 so looking forward to picking it up. Oh I love your little Computer ornament
www.androidauthority.com/palm-2018-pepito-894048/ So this is said to be the first device of New Palm. 3.3" 720P display sounds whack- how are you supposed to type on a virtual qwerty on this thing? And only a 800mah battery?
That looks shite. There is nothing umbe it that makes it a "Palm" - they could have stuck any brandmark on it. I do like how the screen is not too great though.
The 1997 Palm Pilot was actually the second PDA from Palm Computing. The first ones were the Pilot 1000 and 5000, released in 1996. They were sued by the Pilot pen company for using the “Pilot” name, which is why they changed the name to “Palm Pilot” and eventually just “Palm.”
Before smartphones came along, these were like having a secret power that most people didn't know much about. The software selection was amazing, including a huge number of free, public domain software titles.
I loved my IIIe. I remember the cradle dock it came with. So easy to use and keep me organized. I remember actually syncing via infrared too with my old Dell Inspiron 5000e laptop.
A buddy of mine and I both bought these right when they came out, and we used to play in a laser tag league. We used these as sidearms, and called them the "Shotgun IIIe" It was trivial to train it on the IR pattern of the lasertag gun, and the fire pattern was, like a shotgun, wide and short range. Fun times.
As someone who had both a Newton and a couple of Palm devices, I think the Newton got something of a bad rap. The original Newton had some issues, but if you understood how the handwriting recognition actually worked, you could get pretty decent results. And once the later models came out they were very impressive (but by that time the idea that it sucked had taken hold in the public imagination). In a lot of ways, the Newton was just too ambitious for the technology of the time, so in that sense Palm got it right by drastically limiting what the device could do to make it pocketable and approachable.
Great video man. I definitely appreciate PDAs and the Palm was certainly revolutionary. Surprisingly at the time they were never my personal preference. Now that I think about it, modern smartphones I don't particularly enjoy either, and it could be because I never used PDA. I was a fan of the palmtop and used the HP 620LX. Perhaps it seemed more functional to me at the time because of the keyboard. Something about the slate form factor is still something I'm not truly fond of even in modern smartphones. Everyone I knew used a Palm of sorts. It was huge for some of the nurses in hospitals that could quickly look up the names of prescription drugs, side effects, treatments, and just about everything. Super nifty.
I used to have a Palm II I think and I could never get the hang of graffiti. I thought they were really cool devices though, I remember a doctor I had at one point ran his entire scheduling system for his practice on a Palm PDA. Eventually he switched to using an Android phone.
My first PDA was Palm IIIx. I used e-mail outside via connect to my Nokia phone (probably 7110) with IR port. It has the sync cradle. My last Palm was Tungsten C with color display and hardware keyboard - there was a game known from old PCs (Command & Conquer or similar). I did use an external GPS module and navigation software too. When it died, I waited for some new model, but Android devices come first.
You don't have to go to "Edit" and select "On screen keyboard" simply with your stylus click on the small cornered "ABC" with a dot on the lower left side of the grafitti, same goes for "123" on the right
Quick tip for on-screen keyboard, on the graffiti pad there's a dot with abc. Click on that and it pops up. Do it with the dot with numbers it brings you directly to the numpad.
Man when is Apple going to stop focusing on making everything thin and focus on two month battery life lmfao I had an AlphaSmart Dana growing up. It ran the same version of Palm OS as this probably does, but had a giant screen in comparison! I got it through my high school’s assistive technology program.
Awesome. Practically, we're using PDA's. Also, the concept of smartphone is just a recycle of PDA concept with a cellphone attached. LG failed in marketing stuff on their first smartphone before the release of the iPhone from Apple. I'm still surprised that iOS GUI still keeps some visual references to Newton OS.
That's exactly it. But, what some of the fanboys today might not realize is that there actually were smartphones before the iPhone like the Palm Treos which were smartphones with PalmOS installed, and the several Windows Mobile smartphones as well.
Funny how things that were state-of-the-art back then seem quaint by today's standard. My first pc had a 2gb hard drive that was the envy of my friends.
my mom had an original palm pilot when i was younger, and i used to love messing with it. pdas are fascinating to me, so useless today, but incredibly valuable at the time.
My dad had something in the Palm III series. He got one around the time I got my 1st Game Boy. He galled it his "executive game player" or something like that. Coupled with his Motorola Startac, he was the man of the time. Now a days, he couldn't be caught within 10 feet of a smartphone. He claims there's no need for one and anyone who owns one has a problem. My dad still owns a very cheap and outdated smartphone because to him, owning a bar phone or flip phone is ancient.
I remember using something with a 'graffiti' interface back in the day. It seemed quite cumbersome and time consuming, but I can imagine that someone would be able to get so used to it that they could write almost as fast as they could on a piece of paper.
When I was a kid I had a "personal organiser". It worked in similar ways to the palm but had much simpler interface and screen. Made by casio, can store memo's names numbers and appointments. I've been thinking of using it again lol. Anyway, that little organiser ran for months off 1x CR2032 coin cell batteries, well it actually had 2 or them but one was for battery backup.
This is not widely known (or is probably widely forgotten) but Palm bought Be Inc. in 2001. Then either Google bought Palm's software department or hired a bunch of Palm engineers away from Palm. Either way, Android was developed by engineers who also wrote the PalmOS and BeOS operating systems. So in a way the Palm really WAS the future of handheld devices.
(I worked for Be Inc. for a few months while this happened; unfortunately I was one of the engineers who was laid off when Palm bought Be).
On behalf of all the happy Palm users, I want to thank you (along with your co-workers ) for a great, innovative platform.
Does that mean you worked on Emerald City? If I recall correctly (former Palm employee here pre-Be acquisition and BeOS user), a lot of the BeOS folks were not happy with the acquisition, but Microsoft owning the boot partition killed the possibility of BeOS on shipping x86 PCs.
Wow that is really interesting!
Thanks for sharing, and I hope you are doing well now
Palm bought BeOS but for some reason they didn't use BeOS's multitasking and ARM architecture. Google took Palm's WebOS UI engineer, after HP bought and destroyed Palm,which thay created the modern android UI.
Those little synchronization beeps bring back a lot of memories.
Yep... Same here! :-)
The Palm III series was the absolute best. Back in the day I had a IIIxe (same as the IIIe but with 8MB of memory), and had a belt clip case for it. Used to set appointments, memos, play games, all that stuff. Also can be set up to sync your email, which worked great. The idea was the "businessman" would sync before leaving for work in the morning, reply to whoever needed on the train on the ride in, and at work, sync again, and those messages would be sent out. Worked great.
The IR port on it doesn't just beam to other Palm devices. It can HotSync wirelessly using a laptop's IR port, and can also send memos and other text out over the IR should you have a printer with an IR receiver on it. Yes, I've done everything I've mentioned in this entire comment.
Usually the HotSync was very very fast, even over serial. Though if the batteries had gone completely dead it would take a few minutes to transfer those 8MB back over a serial cable!
The IIIc was the ultimate in the III series, had a COLOR screen. Never had one, but knew someone who did. I liked the III series more than the m500 and m505 which were the newer incarnations with a faster processor, rechargeable battery, and USB sync. The III series processor was just fast enough, yet just slow enough. Bejeweled was a very popular game on these older series Palms, I suggest you try to find a copy as you'd enjoy the patterns on the gems (jewels?) much like you did Tetris.
Handera Palm III clone was the best. Better display, SD, and CF card slots.
I forgot the coolest Handera feature: software writing pad.
It really was great. I remember seeing them used on hospital rounds when people would use their IR features to sync a team of doctors with the pts they would take care of that day, or you could download software (books/calculators) for pt care. They just evolved so quickly and merged with phones so fast that they were relics by 2005. I can't think of another consumer electronics device that evolved itself out of existence that fast; even MP3 players (ipods) hung around for 10 years or so.
A common app on hospital floors was called "epocrates", I believe it let you look up medications.
Its still around, very popular.
This video feels like your uncle is showing off a cool vintage gadget from his collection and I absolutely love that
These humidity meters have a sensor which absorbs the moisture into a special coating between two electrodes. The resistance between both electrodes is the value seen by the electronics. They become imprecise because of two reasons:
1 - the coating ages and does not absorb moisture that well after many years
2 - cheap meters use DC instead of AC to measure the resistance. But this will start an electrolytic reaction, which destroys the electrodes over time. The resistance should drop as metal ions get dissolved into the coating. So the measured humidity will be to high.
Bigclive did a great video about this some time ago.
I was going to write this, but this was executed better than my comment would have been.
I have hydrometric tables from WW2 that allow you to look up the humidity when comparing the tempreature difference between 2 thermometers, one of which has its bulb wrapped in wet tissue paper. I think I should give that a go
@@dlarge6502 that's indeed quite interesting! Have to look up that device!
It’s also worth noting that they are not usually exceptionally precise, so a spread of +/-10 points would not be unusual between devices unless they have been individually characterized and calibrated.
What's the deal with bigclive?!
I'm the Owner of A Palm Tungsten...I Definitely Love this PDA..Games Spreadsheets, business contacts, the memories..LOL! .I just took it out of my drawer, and will be installing the games i currently have saved on a sd card. Originally i was going to throw it out..You have given my pda new life once more, and id like to thank you for that.
This was my first PDA. They really got everything right with it: very light, thin enough that it was comfortable in a pocket, and very long battery life. Writing in Graffiti was actually a bit addictive once I got the hang of it. I used mine for the calendar all the time. I had some great games on it, especially one called Strategic Commander which I'd love to be able to play again.
One of my favorite uses of the palm was the noviiremote software which turns it an infrared remote control for TV, DVD, Air conditioning, etc. There were preinstalled brands and an option to learn/clone from an actual ir controller
Yes. I did that and the family didn't know why the TV kept going back to the program that I preferred. Hehe
I had one of these back in the day. I used a spread sheet app for work. I tried a pet (cat) simulator game once. It drained the batteries after three days. One day I turned on the Palm and the cat tipped over and died.
You killed your pet cat with a PDA?
Thats messed up man
And thus Tomagachi was born...
All of your videos are so interesting! I have been learning so much from your videos and I've gotta say... they aren't simply dumping information. They are funny, relevant and very well recorded.
Gee, why didn't they just leave cellphones at these? That's all that a person needs! A home phone and a PDA...
Sarah F Yea. Smartphones are nice and all, but they are like mini computers these days. You can almost do anything on them and that's the problem. Adults and kids get addicted to them. Waste most of their time on them. I have so many times thought if i should buy a nokia 3310 and sell my samsung smartphone.
@@Livewire91 Smartphones are too smart these days. Do you agree we that should stop advancing them at Palm Pre?
Memories! I used to work for 3 Com! The Palm was branded as 3com, because we bought US Robitics to get their modem business. Palm was a subsidiary of US Robitics.... so once 3com got a hold of them, they screwed it all up. This all happened in like 2000
DownassMusic I remember that, and it was very annoying. It was perfect until they got on board. Here's the thing, people like me were seriously married to that thing and the change was traumatic in some ways. I seem to recall it just stopped being reliable on the sync end.
I remember when 3Com discontinued their business networking products to focus on the small office and home market. BIG mistake. I liked those old Corebuilers and Superstack switches.
it gets worse... Palm is coming back in a few months as a subsidiary of TCL with a small 3.3-inch Android 8.1 phone. 3Com's folly is still reverberating here in the current day.
Capolaya LoL yes! Big mistake! I was doing tech support, building 6 In Santa Clara, and all of a sudden, we switched gears and
We bring out Audrey and bought some start up kerbamgo... I was like WTF??? Completely killed us!! Were you there??
then, the ergo audrey happened.
Thinkpad T20 back in progress - PDA in hand - Now a 'hotsync' cable - Palm computer program installed - Go! \, \, \, \,
May wonders never cease! Thanks for letting us 'play'!
So, when I was in graduate school in 1999, these Palm devices were all the rage. The problem was, Palm itself outclassed/outdated their own devices every 3-4 months or better. A quick review of Wikipedia shows that in the space of 4 years (1999-2003), they released 20 devices (each with more memory, features, degrees of connectivity), until finally, around 2003 they combined it with a phone - and suddenly all prior PDA's became dead plastic bricks nobody wanted. I can't think of another expensive electronic device which evolved so quickly that within 4 years any prior version became obsolete and forgotten. It really was stunning, nobody used these things by 2004.
Kind of like stand alone digital cameras.
Well, a lot of people use digital cameras. I love my iphone, but if you want to do serious photography, large sensors, large lenses, and high resolution are key. My 1rst gen prosumer DSLR, the original Canon rebel, 15 years old, still takes better pics than my iphone (as long as you dont blow them up to all get out). But for point and shoot stuff like at parties and those moments you wish you had a cheap camera to take a pic - the iPhone or Android equivalent basically put a pretty decent point and shoot camera in everyone's hands.
@@kd8opi It's niche enough I'd say is no longer a lot of people. Mirrorless and DSLRs sure but those are for professional work or hobbyists. And smartphone cameras get better on crazy cadence especially if you don't stick to one vendor.
@@eila2088 No, I think you're wrong. The cameras on smartphones will always be limited by their minuscule lenses. Physics wins. They are fine for snap-shots, but smartphone cameras don't even touch today's $200-300 point and shoots in terms of quality. I have a waterproof/shockproof/dustproof/environment-proof olympus that was only a few hundred dollars (call it 4 months of smart-phone bills), and on a recent trip there just isn't much comparison to pics taken with smartphones on that same trip. Love the camera on my iPhone-because its super convenient. But I'd rather take pics with anything else.
@@kd8opi I'm curiously what iPhone but also as mentioned I was talking smartphones in general, plus you were mentioning 10+ year old dedicated cameras. My other point was also that it is pros and hobbyists using dedicated cameras. Is relatively easy to see decline of dedicated camera sales (especially cheap consumer aimed ones) to see that is true (go pro types are doing well I guess...?). 20XX smartphone will never beat a dedicated camera from same year that isn't utter shite from aliexpress no doubt.
So many memories!! We used to sell these, and later, Palm devices in our computer department at the USAF base where I work in the UK, and mainly to air-crew - there was specific software available at the time for pilots, and their crew, which our guys used in conjunction with their aircraft's systems software! These old PDA's are brilliant pieces of kit, and nice to have, even today!! :-)
I had this exact model. Total blast from the past!
I had a Palm Pilot..but my favourite PDA and general pocket computer was the Psion Series 3a which is an industrial and software design masterpiece and predates the Palm
I like the smiley ceramic computer in the beginning. It’s cute lol
My POE got one of these in 1999 or 2000 when we bought some new digital scales from WeighTech. The Palm was pre-loaded from WeighTech with software to program the scales via IR. When it came time to actually use the Palm, it was nowhere to be found.
We still have WeighTech scales, but now they're programmed with an Android tablet.
Are those the kind of scales used to weigh in heavy trucks?
The Palm Desktop program looks so neat! Love the tidy arrangement, and it's snappy too.
Palm had the best calendar still to this day. You could just click and drag appointments and rearrange your whole week in half a minute. Making a new appointment was blazingly fast, just click on the time and write. To Do lists could be divided into multiple categories, not just 1 bucket as in Outlook. Took the rest of the computer world 15 years or more to catch up. Graffiti was also very fast, and accurate, with no spell checking to annoy you. I had a modem with which you could up and download emails in about 30 seconds. Syncing with PC took just seconds, I curse my iPhone all day for its slowness and its inaccurate onscreen keyboard and spelling mistakes. The nicest thing about the Palms was that they moved as fast your brain and thoughts do.
2 month battery life sounds biblical in 2018. Funny how we went backwards in some ways. Nice video as always.
and back then, it would have seemed like this device goes through batteries like water!
That was 2 months in standby. Realistically under heavy use (as I put mine under) i'd get about 7-10 days on average. Still, incredible for the time all the same.
Only downside, which was a BIG one... was that the memory was not modern flash like today, but battery backed. So if the batteries went dead, the entire device would reset to factory, and you'd have to hotsync your last backup to get things back to where they were. You would have about 20-30 seconds to change the batteries before this would happen, but if you were out and about with no batteries on a hand, this would skunk you from time to time as it did me from time to time.
Still for turn of the millennium tech, this was the greatest thing going at the time.
@ mzxeternal
As you may know, later Palm devices used non-volatile memory. Also, the flash memory card slots in later devices offered a way to back up automatically, even without synchronizing.
@ Jan Trancer Ruza
Another advantage to these early, monochrome PDA's, is that the display was easily visible in bright sunlight. Not the case with today's devices.
I mean you can get a kindle for dirt cheap that can do many functions this did (hell with the Web browser technically all of them) and has months battery life with much better and bigger screen.
What a classic, the Palm IIIe was my first PDA, I still have it. After this I got a Handspring Visor Deluxe with 8mb of memory and and expansion, it was great. I actually still use a Palm to this day, it's a Palm LifeDrive
also the graffiti does take some getting used to but I can enter data quite fast with it
Nice avatar!
What do you use the Lifedrive for?
@@rafamericano There is some legacy software that I like to use on it, some calculators, an expense tracking application and the old games are still fun.
I do somewhat enjoy the e-book reading on it since the screen can reflect light.
And lastly, it is a good offline backup for passwords if you know what you're doing.
Very glad to see the ThinkPad made a recovery from its nightmarish ordeal!
Nice find! Always was a wonder just how versatile and long-lasting these little Palms could be. Fantastic little gadgets. Must admit Sony definitely took Palm OS to new levels with their later CLIÉ series though.
Amazing segment. I still have ALL my Palm from the original Palm Pilot.
I had the Palm IIIxe in high school, my dad gave it to me after he switched to BlackBerry. I thought it was the coolest thing ever, I put my whole schedule in there, took notes on it in class, played games, mastered the art of Graffiti, I brought it everywhere.
Loved seeing this thing back!! This thing is the ULTIMATE computer to play missile command on. That stylus is just effing perfect for the game.
I had the Palm IIIc, the one with colour display. I loved that thing before smartphones were a thing. This helped me a great deal not to forget everything and to filter out important and unimportant things. I just wrote down what I thought was unimportant and had it at hand when I needed it. I could have done that on paper but getting reminders when appointments were due was priceless. I always told the others who said I wasted my money that a piece of paper doesn’t beep when I need the information on it.
The calculator actually can do square roots. You just need to press the contextual menu button (drop-down icon) while in the calculator and tap the option for advanced or scientific. It's actually fairly nice enabling that in the calculator.
For the most part, this device is nearly identical to my Handspring Visor Deluxe (graphite color). Unfortunately, I had dropped it last year and the touch screen is completely dead.
There were some great calculator and unit conversion programs available for the Palm platform. Still available on the web, last I checked. If you want to replace your Visor, you might still be able to find one second hand through Amazon or eBay for example. Non rechargeable devices are the best to buy used, since rechargeable batteries often don't work after all these years. If you want a rechargeable Palm device, I still love my Pam Treo, since the battery is snap on, and easily replaced, if you can find a new battery for it.
As amazing as all this were back then, the process the miniature tech took in this area has been tedious to watch over for 3 decades. It's pretty satisfying now thou.
These Palm devices were used a lot in business situations, so I would be surprised if they aren't still supported. A lot of old tech is like that, it just hangs around forever because it just works.
I wrote a Roguelike app for PalmOS many years ago. I used an emulator to develop it; I've never actually seen one of these things in person.
0:56 That wasn't the first one. The first was the "Psion Organiser" from 1984. The "Newton" is the first that I can think of that had a touchscreen, though.
I remember my Mom having one of these back in the Early 2000's. At 4-5 years old, PDAs in general almost seemed like the coolest gadgets that only cool teens and high-class adults were carrying.
15 years later, at 20 years old, I'm literally typing this comment on a smaller device that could do so much more than what those "too-cool-4-kidz" PDAs were performing.
Crazy how unpredictable technology has gone at this point.
Love these Palms! I have a whole bunch of them of various models, including a few of the Symbol ones with the integrated laser barcode scanner. They are so functional and easy to use, absolutely excellent. I really like the Graffiti system as well.
thank you this was useful to me because I currently use a paper memo pad and pen because i am very busy and often need to check task lists and jot down things to remember quickly and my smartphone is incapable of configuring to do this.
QUICKLY is the main element i need. any inconvenient wait adds to the likelihood i wont write down that thing i need to remember while im busy doing something else and I'll lose it by trusting my memory and increase the likelihood i wont check my agenda or task list and just try to remember it instead. but these two features of the memo pad have helped me become super productive and better organized overall . and my expensive pocket laptop can't do this for me, i also can't be quick and rough with it, and a backlit smartphone screen is hard on the eyes. i would not be able to juggle attending university full time , a full time job, and a committed relationship without a simple memo pad helping me keep track of all of it.
so im f@#king going back. just watch me. even though i was an infant or toddler when this existed and ive never held one. if this palm iii is close to as quick as my memo pad is to pull out and use it will be greatly convenient to me with 1500 memo pages and graffiti write to text. also, having a central unit with my memos in it instead of 2 or 3 memo pads floating around would be great too.
Nice video and interesting PDA. However, I seriously want a video about hygrometers, you always make everything interesting and good to watch.
I went through several Palm PDAs and eventually several Palm Treo phones (Yes, Apple fans, I was doing the internet thing while on the bus for several years hefore the iPhone) One thing about the early Palm (primative) LCD screen: You could read it in full sunlight, Now I have to cup my hand over my phone to just see what time it is, But hey, it's in HD!
So I'm sitting here watching a dude play Tetris on a late 90s PDA at 6am. What a day. 😂
I wouldn't mind having one of these tbh, they're awesome.
You can still buy them via Amazon and eBay, for example.
i just started watching your channel and i watch your comeing out video your good person and i like your videos keep it up
I had the Palm III as a kid. I used the hell out of it. Syncing all the cool apps and games on it, used to to make animations and everything. Never got it connected to a wireless network though, it was way too expensive.
I had this wonderful product upgrading from the Palm Pilot. Using an Ericsson SH888 mobile phone which had a modem built in, I connected the two via the Infrared ports on both and POW!
Email.
And, there were SMS applications, AND a keyboard...
And WAP websites...
It was a glorious time!
1:06 Contrary to popular belief, the platform itself wasn't a failure, just that it didn't survive the great SJ culling of products in the late 90s.
Palm was highly successful for years into the 2000s. The thing that spelled the end for the company was the iPhone. People were still rocking Palm PDA's up until that point. I had one I used to use with an infared port on a flip phone for internet access, let alone the Treo's which were incredibly successful until that point.
The platform was a success for a decade before being rendered obsolete.
I have a Palm Pilot IIIxe which I purchased new and used part of the time until I was told that it could not be used on the job. I have to look for the back cover for it since the batteries was removed, but don't know if the battery cover is in the area where the unit was stored.
Oh man. Where's the 8-Bit Guy? I'm sure he'll fall in love with this.
I remember the Palm pilot. I used to have one since 2000 or 2001. Sadly, it was broken, because one of the housemates took it and tore it apart and broke it. I reported to the house manager and he cannot steal my Palm pilot again. This was before the iPod came along, and so did the iPhone. This was one of the earlier gadgets from 1999. I missed the Palm pilot so much.
Where I work we still use Janam's with a similar GUI. The handwriting bar has caused quite a bit of issues, as depending on the software if you touch it, it will screw up the settings (putting a period into databases etc) and you won't know it until you look at a report. This report on a good day would be less than a page. But say you bumped that handwriting bar and it decided to add a period or a z to the database that gets sent to a server. Now you have a twenty page report and you have to edit the entries manually explaining the error.
I love these classic palms. I have a couple of Sony Clie' PDS that use Palm OS. A Palm Treo 650. A broken Palm Visor. What is cool the Palm desktop software still works on Windows 10. I have even used it with my Palm Treo.
fantastic, i forgot about the Sony Clie.
They were ahead of their time too. To bad they did not do as well as some of the other Palm OS based devises.
The Visors were built by Handspring not Palm.
@@Nookerdog777 True. Palm later bought Handspring to get their Treo smartphones. Handsprings did run the Palm OS even before they were bought out.
I used them for 10 years, maybe longer. I was lost without it. It was a great device for me, for a long time. I bought three of them as they upgraded. still have them somewhere.
I have the Palm TX and used it through the mid 2010s. IMO it had the best digital calendar/planner of them all.
OMG this brings back so many memories. I thought I was so cool with my Palm. I was a hardcore palm fan. I used them up until the m515 and the Treo.
I still carry my Treo 700p along with an Android smartphone. It has a lot of databases and apps that I didn't want to give up. The Treos are so easy to change out the batteries so it works like new.
I had the transparent IIIe back in the day and absolutely loved it. Just found a sealed one on eBay for £25 so looking forward to picking it up. Oh I love your little Computer ornament
Btw Palm is said to make a comeback via TCL this year
That has been said for years though, so it is unlikely.
You mean like the mighty NOKIA ? I hope it comes true.
If the new Palm devices looks like the Alcatel smartphones, say goodbye to the brand.
www.androidauthority.com/palm-2018-pepito-894048/
So this is said to be the first device of New Palm. 3.3" 720P display sounds whack- how are you supposed to type on a virtual qwerty on this thing? And only a 800mah battery?
That looks shite. There is nothing umbe it that makes it a "Palm" - they could have stuck any brandmark on it.
I do like how the screen is not too great though.
The 1997 Palm Pilot was actually the second PDA from Palm Computing. The first ones were the Pilot 1000 and 5000, released in 1996. They were sued by the Pilot pen company for using the “Pilot” name, which is why they changed the name to “Palm Pilot” and eventually just “Palm.”
Wow surprised apple didn't sue them for saying they owned the word pilot and in fact, they invented airplanes.
Before smartphones came along, these were like having a secret power that most people didn't know much about. The software selection was amazing, including a huge number of free, public domain software titles.
That appears to be an officially licensed Tetris game.
I still have my original IIIe, and every-now-and-again, I turn it on and play with it. Mine was a Palm, not 3Com.
I still have mine, it still works perfectly, and still use it from time to time.. Their handwriting recognition (graffiti) was awesome!
I dialed both numbers, the second one terminates to a telco recording with ID number 847135. the first goes to "America's hottest chat line".
I loved my IIIe. I remember the cradle dock it came with. So easy to use and keep me organized. I remember actually syncing via infrared too with my old Dell Inspiron 5000e laptop.
A buddy of mine and I both bought these right when they came out, and we used to play in a laser tag league. We used these as sidearms, and called them the "Shotgun IIIe" It was trivial to train it on the IR pattern of the lasertag gun, and the fire pattern was, like a shotgun, wide and short range. Fun times.
Amazing how this old tech stuff still works fine...
Loving the sarcasm in these videos 😸
As someone who had both a Newton and a couple of Palm devices, I think the Newton got something of a bad rap. The original Newton had some issues, but if you understood how the handwriting recognition actually worked, you could get pretty decent results. And once the later models came out they were very impressive (but by that time the idea that it sucked had taken hold in the public imagination). In a lot of ways, the Newton was just too ambitious for the technology of the time, so in that sense Palm got it right by drastically limiting what the device could do to make it pocketable and approachable.
Graffiti was amazingly fast, once you got the hang of it. All these years later, I still use it on Android for longer text input. Genius.
Great video man. I definitely appreciate PDAs and the Palm was certainly revolutionary. Surprisingly at the time they were never my personal preference. Now that I think about it, modern smartphones I don't particularly enjoy either, and it could be because I never used PDA. I was a fan of the palmtop and used the HP 620LX. Perhaps it seemed more functional to me at the time because of the keyboard. Something about the slate form factor is still something I'm not truly fond of even in modern smartphones. Everyone I knew used a Palm of sorts. It was huge for some of the nurses in hospitals that could quickly look up the names of prescription drugs, side effects, treatments, and just about everything. Super nifty.
how can you create programs for theese things?
Let me Google that for you: www.netmeister.org/palm/PalmMisc/PalmMisc.html
Haha I actually googled that already I just thought you will make a video about it
but Thanks for Anwsering
I used to have a Palm II I think and I could never get the hang of graffiti. I thought they were really cool devices though, I remember a doctor I had at one point ran his entire scheduling system for his practice on a Palm PDA. Eventually he switched to using an Android phone.
My first PDA was Palm IIIx. I used e-mail outside via connect to my Nokia phone (probably 7110) with IR port. It has the sync cradle.
My last Palm was Tungsten C with color display and hardware keyboard - there was a game known from old PCs (Command & Conquer or similar). I did use an external GPS module and navigation software too. When it died, I waited for some new model, but Android devices come first.
PDAs
You're everywhere!
From Techmoan to 8-Bit Guy, and now VWestlife?!
I found a handspring visor and goodwill, and when I went back to goodwill a week later I found the dock!
You don't have to go to "Edit" and select "On screen keyboard" simply with your stylus click on the small cornered "ABC" with a dot on the lower left side of the grafitti, same goes for "123" on the right
Sweet! I have a palm m105 myself, which appears to be the same thing but smaller. Found it at a thrift store, complete in box!
Quick tip for on-screen keyboard, on the graffiti pad there's a dot with abc. Click on that and it pops up. Do it with the dot with numbers it brings you directly to the numpad.
Man when is Apple going to stop focusing on making everything thin and focus on two month battery life lmfao
I had an AlphaSmart Dana growing up. It ran the same version of Palm OS as this probably does, but had a giant screen in comparison! I got it through my high school’s assistive technology program.
Kindle? The e-ink smartphone with dual screens from Russia? One of hundreds of normal phones with 5000+mha battery.
Saw the thumbnail and thought to myself "Hey i've got 3 of those"😂😂
and how many batteries do you have?
I still have my Palm m515 with the cradle and keyboard. I might keep it now for the nostalgia value.
Love how you put Dragon Ball Z in there as a pun for the Moto processor.
(yeah, I'm a weeb)
i just found this exact model at the thrift store today and i looked it up on youtube and found that you just did a video on it this month lol
My only PDA is the PalmPilot Professional from 1997 but I don’t know why I have issues to synchronize it
I wonder how the forgot password system worked, noticed the option when setting up a password.
palm was awesome, they could have become the smart phone kings
You can also get to the onscreen keyboard by tapping the ABC and 123 dots on the corners of the Graffiti writing area.
I had a Palm-Z black/white and later a Palm-Z with colour screen and sd card. They still work and where very good at the time.
Pure nostalgia!🥺
Nice. I still have the IIIxe I bought new in 1999 or 2000. I wonder if these PDAs will become tech collectors items in the next few years.
I user to have an original Palm Pilot. I wonder what happened to it....
I used to work with one of these, it was really good for its era.
What model of cell phone do you have?
I can imagine one of Doctor Who's regenerations using a Palm and loving it because why not and its a convenient proficient device!
Awesome. Practically, we're using PDA's. Also, the concept of smartphone is just a recycle of PDA concept with a cellphone attached. LG failed in marketing stuff on their first smartphone before the release of the iPhone from Apple. I'm still surprised that iOS GUI still keeps some visual references to Newton OS.
That's exactly it. But, what some of the fanboys today might not realize is that there actually were smartphones before the iPhone like the Palm Treos which were smartphones with PalmOS installed, and the several Windows Mobile smartphones as well.
@@piratesmvp Yeah I really wanted one of those insanely expensive Nokia swiss army knife phones in 2005 :(
Sometimes these Palms can be found relatively cheap at the flea markets, like Z22.
Funny how the battery indicator dropped one pixel as soon as you mentioned its low power consumption at the end of the video!
Funny how things that were state-of-the-art back then seem quaint by today's standard. My first pc had a 2gb hard drive that was the envy of my friends.
Can you make a video explaining the humidity discrepancy?
my mom had an original palm pilot when i was younger, and i used to love messing with it. pdas are fascinating to me, so useless today, but incredibly valuable at the time.
My dad had something in the Palm III series. He got one around the time I got my 1st Game Boy. He galled it his "executive game player" or something like that. Coupled with his Motorola Startac, he was the man of the time. Now a days, he couldn't be caught within 10 feet of a smartphone. He claims there's no need for one and anyone who owns one has a problem. My dad still owns a very cheap and outdated smartphone because to him, owning a bar phone or flip phone is ancient.
I remember using something with a 'graffiti' interface back in the day. It seemed quite cumbersome and time consuming, but I can imagine that someone would be able to get so used to it that they could write almost as fast as they could on a piece of paper.
My Goodwill has the same exact model! Box and everything
When I was a kid I had a "personal organiser". It worked in similar ways to the palm but had much simpler interface and screen. Made by casio, can store memo's names numbers and appointments. I've been thinking of using it again lol. Anyway, that little organiser ran for months off 1x CR2032 coin cell batteries, well it actually had 2 or them but one was for battery backup.
I had a Palm III. Don't remember what model it was. My aunt gave it to me in the early 2000s.