"Yes, but also no" They are 100% a playoff team. They are also a team that is a cut below the elite teams. They are a team that should have a decent chance of winning their wild card game, but also have more of a chance of losing the Wild Card game than making the Conference Championship by a decent margin.
@@thephoenixxm4160 Agree with everything you just said. There's no reason the Eagles should lose on paper. The only way the Packers can win the wild card game is if the Eagles are mentally weak.
no its different when the Packers are involved its always brilliant. If that was MCDC the fake news would be saying to fire him. But since its the fudgepackers they gloss right over it.
@ I’m a Vikings fan for 60 years…I’d love to have a smart assed response…but, you’re mostly not wrong. It’s extra fun tea bagging the league this year.
They need to prove it in the playoffs. We all remember what happened the last time u guys went. I'm sure Daniel Jones can remind them since he is on the team. The record doesn't mean anything come playoff time. Darnold will be tested in the playoffs.
Most of the year. The Lions have the opportunity to own the Vikings if they beat them next week. A season sweep with a Honolulu Blue Flu loss to the Rams following the first one would be thorough domination.
@@NicholasRoselli-e8m the 2022 and 2024 Vikings could not be further apart. The 2022 team ended with a negative point differential, this 2024 team is +122. We actually have a defense compared to 2022
@@NicholasRoselli-e8mno us fans know exactly what happened and is different to outsiders...we all knew the defense 2 years ago was the worst thing ever and we were gonna lose 1st or 2nd round. This year completely different. Both offense and defense top 10
@@Jacob-ux3lg packers fans gotta live in the past always we talking present and future you packer fans can keep living in the past while the vikings and lions go to the future
Yeah, I know he was saying that they shouldn't be upset about the offsides call, but it's not even worth bringing up. Bad call or not, the Packers were gifted a 15 yard penalty for a "low" block that landed right in a guy's midsection and a very weak PI.
I honestly thought the Lions would win the north, the Pack would be a solid #2 and take the wildcard, the Vikes would come in a distant third and the Bears would suck exactly this bad (I predicted a 10 loss streak and everyone railed me for it). I think the Vikes have the best receiver trio in the NFL which helps a LOT but that O-line. Vikings coaches have coached a masterclass of a season. Minnesota has been so fun to watch this season. I'm looking forward to the playoffs.
@@lexwaldezYeah, you’re going to explain that psychotic perspective. Unless you based the Bears futility off of coaching; you are an absolute maniac, who had a mere fluke of a prediction.
The Vikings got called for an offsides that couldn't be seen on replay, and they got a 15 yarder on Harrison Smith on a bullshit call. Also, a team would make different choices down the stretch if they didn't get the 3 points and needed more to win.
*The refs screwed over Tom's Packers in the 1st half in order* to nudge the Vikings vs my Lions to be an important game, but for an even greater reason: *to help the sports writers and speakers to have something to talk about since they're lazy and/or lacking actual creativity!* 🤣
Frauds? No. But a great team? Also no. The fact they've needed a second half surge in all of their losses is very telling. They are the best of the good teams but they are very obviously not a great team.
@@SurlyDuff814 the problem is that elite and great and all these other terms people throw around are relative. I like the way you put it… They’re good but they’re clearly a tier below the top 3 teams in the NFC.
I agree as a packer fan. The packers can play very well. They’ve proven that this year. Are they Super Bowl ready? No. they are not frauds at all but also definitely not on the level of the eagles, lions and vikes
All the packers fans in here saying they're not frauds but then describing them as frauds perfectly 🤣 these are the same fans that though Goff was down in the Lions game because they don't know the rules. The same fans that thought the Packers were on the same level as the Lions even though Detroit was without its starting defense and literally pulled guys off the street for the game. The same fans that have the gall to try and cry about refs when they historically get favorable officiating every year. Basically they're the cowboys fans of the north
@ let’s generalize a whole fan base based on a few comments you read online. Fraud isn’t a very clearly defined term so saying we’re frauds or not depends on how you want to define it. If you want to define a fraud as a team that’s unlikely to win the Super Bowl, then sure, we’re frauds. But I don’t think anyone reasonably expects us to do that at this point, so what’s fraudulent exactly?
@@bowser6047 Just remember that if the Vikings lose to the Lions next week, they will enter the postseason having gotten swept by the Lions and lost to the Rams and will play on the road just like the Packers.
I say this as a Vikes fan, the Packers are NOT a "come from behind" type of team. If they aren't actively leading, they look lethargic as hell. They can make it close, but they aren't going to come back from massive deficits and then pull it out.
Lions not worried about either. Lions lost to TB in week 2 and played the Rams week one. While I respect both teams Detroit was not playing good football yet. No preseason for the starters and they started slow.
The offsides call was right. The network wasn't showing the shot right before the snap, a split second before the snap he moved his hand in the neutral zone
Jordan Love is having a sophmore slump. This is why you don't give guys who are unproven contracts that cripple your team's ability to fill out the roster based on one year.
@@Bobbleheads56 glaring deficiencies 😂😂😂the roster is not perfect their defense is inconsistent and his receivers while talented struggle at times especially with drops. If I’m not mistaken they lead the league in drops. Love can be better, but acting like he sucks is flat out dumb.
Minnesota soundly beat the entire Green Bay team and organisation with effective efficiency that has become the Vikings signature statement. Green Bay is revealed as an average to sometimes better than average team by organisational and coaching design. What the game revealed was only what was always going to be on display. To lay it entirely at Loves’s feet means having to overlook way too much for the sake of an uninformed opinion. Green Bay is just 1 of the better average teams, nothing special in relative terms ✌️
I think yesterday confirmed it for me. We need a real #1 guy. As much as I love Reed, Watson and Doubs, and I do really like them all for what they each individually bring to the team, they’re all too streaky. But we all know GB is set in their ways of not drafting WR’s high. I’m sure they’ll take another high RAS project edge rusher or a 2nd or 3rd round worthy tackle with their first pick.
The game management all season has been really questionable from LaFleur. Going for it on fourth down in the red zone when you have more than a yard to go makes absolutely no sense in that game. Take the points when you can get them, Matt!
I’m assuming the hand is what they got because I didn’t see the offsides much either (as a Vikings fan it 100% was there) but one guy had his hand out like 1 foot in front of every other defenders from that top view and the ref might have seen that
I felt the Packer’s play calling, not just skipping the FG, was sub par. I yelled more than once, WHY…WHY WOULD YOU CALL THAT? Also, responding to a comment, I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
We also missed a few FGs. Not to mention the bad low block called on Smith yet not on the packers and bad PI call. The packers were just dominated by a better team that took their foot off the gas in the 4th. I will put the Packers over the Eagles though
Eh, the low block call didn’t change much - we were already in FG range, it was a first down, and we still only got a field goal out of the drive (though I do agree it was a bad call). It also didn’t really feel to me like the Vikings dominated… as it still came down to the wire. I had been saying for a couple weeks now that this game would be the litmus test to determine whether or not the Packers belonged in the conversation with the Lions, Vikings, and Eagles… but I think it’s pretty apparent that we’re still a tier below. Good game, and good luck against the lions next week.
Eh, Vikings dominated for 3 quarters. Packers never had the ball with a chance to go ahead. I don’t think there were any crazy calls or no calls that absolutely defined the game. The offsides and the no call on the low block by the packers were probably the most rough. Overall though, I don’t want to play the Packers again, but it would be interesting if the Packers were able to start strong in a game against the Vikings.
The low block had zero impact as GB kicked a fg and was already in field goal range. One of the kicks you missed was from 58 yards, so let’s not act like that was a gimmie. You missed 1 fg you should have made and were gifted 3 points on a bs call. Vikings were the better team, but you can’t say you “dominated” a team when you would’ve probably lost that game if Sam darnold doesn’t complete that final 3rd down
@thanatos1756 hell, I think it’d be interesting if we started ANY game strong against an elite opponent. Every one of our losses feels like we’re just a few fixed mental mistakes away from being able to win… but at a certain point it’s just our identity. I don’t know whether it’s the youth, the coaching, or if we’re just not as talented… but until we prove we can make those plays in big moments, I don’t have confidence we can make much noise in the playoffs.
@@jaredpribylI’m with you buddy. So frustrating just because it’s not an interception doesn’t mean he’s throwing well. He’s playing very bad it’s hard to watch.
I'm a recovering Bears fan. Just got back from the gym and spent 30 minutes working out and talking with a huge Packers fan. Man, John is SUPER down on Jordan Love. He's saying Love has a total lack of touch to throw precise, long balls and Love is a stone drag on the team. I was pretty shocked. Is this a common take among Packers fans? Also, that Perna Bears OC thing hurt. There's just no need to pile on. LOL
The Playoff Revenge Tour is now the theme. Defeat the three teams they lost to this season to reach the Super Bowl. For the Vikings and Lions, the last thing I'd want to see is the Packers for a third time. It's so hard to beat a team three times in a single season.
@@IsaacMSingleton1 yeah I think that loss to the Vikings just killed any sort of playoff hopes the packers thought they had. I am a Detroit guy and it’s pretty surprising to see them continue to lose big games, genuinely expected a lot more this year.
Yeah I'm not blaming Josh Jacobs for the reason the offense went completely out of rhythm, but the life was sucked out of the offense on every other drive and it just gave the crowd so much to feed off of that it made the players riled up (hence the dropped passes). I will say though that the play calling was bizarre, and with LaFleur saying they didn't expect as much man as the vikings played just shows that we didn't adjust until it was too late. I will say however that I was pissed about the offsides call because it was so bloody dumb, and just made me feel like the refs couldn't have been any more incompetent on a penalty where it is one of the easier penalties to see and judge whether he actually was, but they didn't even delegate it amongst themselves.
Im a Packer fan but at my heart I'm a NFC North fan and it's nice to see the midwest being the strongest division back to the old days of glory, and all I hope for is that the North knocks off the AFC and bring Lombardi back to where it belongs
No. Just no. I'm sick of this soft mentality people have these days. We are not supposed to "get along". When we are bad we hope they are more miserable than us. Enough of this "everyone gets a trophy" mentality.
The packers just feel like a team that can’t start games against good teams. They wait until the game is over to figure things out and it’s always too late. Also using the term frauds for the youngest team in football is wild to me. People expect them to be good because it’s the packers. They have talent for sure but they have no WR1, no superstar edge rushers, like it’s not a complete team by any means. As a fan I don’t see much hope for this year but when you consider the age of this team it’s not crazy to say they can’t get better. Just have to see how they do in the playoffs and hope for some solid drafting on the defensive side next year.
Enagbare needs to use his brain and not just go with the play call he ran right past Akers as he was leaking out for the pass I saw it immediately anything their is a TE or rb coming off protection in such an obvious way you have to pick that up.
SKOL! The offsides penalty on the FG was sus af. But then there was a play where the Vikes were called for a neutral zone infraction when our guy never crossed into the neutral zone.
Packers are still good. I’m excited for the playoffs but I’ve tempered my expectations and I would not be shocked to see them lose in round 1. But at the same time, I also wouldn’t be shocked if they somehow make it to the Super Bowl. There is a lot of talent there, and Jordan Love can turn into one of the best QB’s in the league at times. Ultimately though, the fact is this team hasn’t put a full game together this entire season, I don’t see it suddenly happening in the playoffs. But the games are played for a reason, I’ll be watching every minute of it.
Dominated for 3 1/2 quarters. Just Saying! PS Their were calls missed on both sides trust me! They are slotted at 7 and it fits perfect. Good luck in Philly!
I've thought this the whole season, same with the Ravens. They use their running backs against bad or average teams and win, but JJ and DH can't do much against good teams. Both teams need to involve Flowers and Reed more.
I’m sorry perna… I know how it feels but Skol! 😂 n go pack go just cuz I know how to root for the whole nfl not just just my team. We had 68M dead cap this year so we’ll b better too
One of the Packers was inching forward on the offside call. Not far enough to actually be offside, but the refs saw movement, so that's the answer to "what were they seeing"
As a Vikes fan I gotta say I really appreciate that when we didn't learn our lesson from the first game - to really close out games well against good teams - the Packers made sure to drill it into our heads! 😂
The league doesnt need to go to 18 games to go to 19 weeks. Just give every team a second bye and you still get TV revenue from an additional thursday game, monday game, and 5 sunday games. The other change is to have every team play exactly 1 neutral site game whether it is an international game or a game at a college stadium...how many LSU fans would watch justin Jefferson play Burrow and Chase at LSU? Or JJ mcarthy (in two years)facing off against Jim Harbaugh at the big house? But the important part is the teams arent credited with home status when they are not playing a home game.
Im not all that surprised by JLoves "regression" this year, teams had a whole offseason to scout him. This is a great, young team, but we've still got some learning to do.
The problem is the Vikings got bailed out by the refs. The first half the missed/bad calls resulted in 10 points. Same thing when we played the lions. In a one score game the refs can certainly make the difference and that's what we've seen multiple times in division games now
Its true, 0-5 against the nfc 3 best. Every game was close. But going for it on 4th and 2 against a tough defense instead of kicking a field goal was the play of the game
I feel like we haven't even seen the vikings play a full game yet. They get so far ahead and then just turn everything off and let teams get close. I guess KOC just likes that 1 score game record
Can't complain on the offsides... Vikes missed two FGs besides that. Relying on teams missing FG is not a winning strategy. Vikes controlled both games and Pack was lucky to make the score look close at end.
Not saying it will happen but the playoffs are a whooole different ballgame from the regular season. Yes, the Packers have a lot to get right, yes they got swept by two division rivals, yes It’s still going to be very tough but would be the greatest if the Packers ended up facing the Lions and Vikings again and beat them when it really matters. GPG!!
Eagles are 3-3 vs NFC playoff/in the hunt teams. Packers are 2-5. 4 of their 5 losses came from Vikings and Lions. Normally when Packers were frauds in years past, they would get blown out by these teams. They lost to the Eagles by 5, lions by 10 and 3 and Vikings by 2 twice. This isnt your same Packers team that would destroy crappy teams and get owned by playoff teams. They are good enough to win the wild card round and thats about it. They are one more year out from making a run.
Having to scramble and try to score a bunch while the other team is trying to run out the clock should not be a factor into thinking a team is better then they are. My lions got blown out by the bills I don’t go around saying we only lost by 3
@@jaredpribyl maybe.. but the Eagles played the AFC North and have 3 losses.. the Packers played the AFC South and have 5 losses... dont think you can just use te argument of 'if the schedule was harder the Eagles would have more losses'.. even last season, the Eagles got thru their gauntlet fine and then lost to the Giants and Cardinals
@@srivatsankrishnan9936 Packers never lost to any AFC teams so its irrelevant who they played in the AFCS. All 5 losses are from vikings, lions and Eagles. All NFC teams.
Packers offense couldn’t do anything against the Vikings D in either game, until they went to prevent…which I know it all counts, and that’s Flores fault for going prevent, but it played out the exact same both games
The thing is, I always feel after these games that we can beat these contenders. We just need one more chance it’s always been close. It’s just that team has always made one more play than us. I take solace and knowing that these teams probably fear us knowing that if they make one mistake, they’re gonna be screwed.
Dont want to play a division team in playoffs? Hmmmm. I would rather prepare for an opponent im used to than one i dont. Maybe players feel differently, but i am not sure if thats a true statement or not
The packers need another year and another wr as well as cb help they absolutely needed to address cb in the last draft jaire isn’t Jaire lately or even availability when needed the most.
@@andrewstutz4240 I think our current WRs corps just needs to take a step forward and we need to address CB and pass rush in the offseason. An alpha WR wouldn’t hurt but I don’t think it will solve all of our problems.
The thing with the Packers is that they are too streaky. They have some really bad lull's in games and I don't think they have the consistency to win multiple games in the playoffs right now.
A whopping average of 2 years younger than the average age of the oldest roster. People keep saying that like they are way younger than any other team. And they've been saying it for like 3 or 4 years now.
@@sspademann1800 how is an average of 2 years a huge difference? The Vikings are the 2nd oldest team. They move on from their long snapper and a couple older defensive players and they are right in the middle for average age. Overall average age doesn't matter that much. Your core might be way younger or something, I don't really know. But it's also not a guarantee young players all pan out to be anything more than just average players.
@@CrudPig12 If you are working a job do you think you will be better at the job in the first year or the third year, or do you think there won't be a difference?
I don't think the division leaders should have home field advantage. Sure they can be in the playoffs, but if they are going up against a 14-3 team, or a 12-5 team and their record is 9-8 or 10-7 I'm sorry you have to go to their stadium. They can get in for beating their division, but the seeding has to reflect record, not just a bad division.
Not frauds but not as confident contenders as the other top teams in the NFC. They haven't been blown out by those teams but persistent bad penalties/mistakes and lackluster play for the entirety of those games have doomed them. They still have the talent and could still go on a run in the playoffs but at this point their play lends more to a one and done like last year. I could see them beating a high seed but it's a gauntlet they would have to go through
Couldn’t have put it any better my friend. The packers are gonna have a very tough road to go all the way. But they are also a team you can’t take lightly
The Packers are a good team. They’re just not on the Lions or Vikings level this year. You can’t get swept by two teams in your own division and still rationally think you can win a SB
"i still think my team can beat anybody" - Tom Grossi, December 30th 2024 Sure, Tom. Packers can beat anybody. I mean they had 4 tries to beat two division rivals and couldn't get a single win. But next time will work!
They can also lose to anybody and that will be on display when packers lose to bears Sunday. I'm a packers fan and this will be the game they finally beat green bay and it's also going to drop them into the 7 seed and screw then in the long run.
I think they can: With the caveats that they need to be healthy, and they're still a young team so they will be inconsistent at that. What you said also isn't a fair statement, because both the Lions and Vikings have been dominant this season, likely taking the #1 and 2 seeds in the NFC overall. The Packers likely finishing the season with a 12-5 record despite sharing a division with the #1 and 2 seeds is a testament to them being a "pretty darn good football team" all-considered. IMHO what doomed this game was Watson getting injured. Without their #1 WR, it meant the Vikings were able to focus even more on Jacobs, and they're already one of the top run defenses in the NFL.
Im just a Packers fan, but just a fan non the less. I think Matt (HC) makes some awful play calls, as well as Jordan still launching the ball where there's no play or a very very slight chance of making a play.... If its 3rd down, and you have a chance to get a 1st, but decide to launch the ball in double coverage rather than a short pass....... Makes no sense why he is still making terrible decisions on throwing the ball. Getting paid too much money to be making the same mistake over and over again. Again, just a fan, but the few flaws that I noticed that have not changed.
Even though I, a Vikings fan, believe we are the better team. Playoffs in a winner take all week to week, cant predict it. I dont want to face the packers for a 3rd time trying to win for the 3rd time. Incredibly hard to beat the same team 3 times in a season. And honestly, kind of crazy if the packers go into Fhilly, beat philly, go into MN, beat us, and then go into Detroit and beat them. Full Redemption.
I think what’s happening is that so many packers fans lived in denial about the reality of the issues on the team and finally saw all the issues on display. Pass rush has been bad, it’s never been good. MLF is a bad play caller, bad strategist, bad at adapting during games, and has questionable decision making. Kenny Clark is NOT THAT GOOD. The Dline is hot garbage. The team as a whole NEVER EVER ADAPTS. We can make excuses for injuries or say that we need a wr1 or whatever else but if you don’t fix the core issues of the team, we will never make a sb ever again.
there has been one screen shot of that field goal..that does not mean the player didn't edge forward...it also doesn't prove what was seen down the line....its just such a weird penalty to call so there had to be something....AND if injuries would have mattered ...Tom would have picked the Vikings to win right?
The Packers have lost 5 games by an average of 4.4 points, to teams that have a combined record of 40-7. Frauds? You can make arguments for getting lucky in a few games, but I think its very difficult to dispute that they Packers are a good team in the NFL. Given how close their losses have been, I don't think its crazy to think they have a chance of beating some teams with better records. How high that chance is is up for debate, and is why we play the games.
@@kylewest4044 You think the Packers didn't have a chance the 2nd game against the Vikings when they lost by 2 points but could have kicked a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down? Win by two points=domination I guess.
Teams aren’t frauds if they beat real competition. Let’s recap: >Lost to Philly >Barely beat Indianapolis but no Love, so we’ll give you a pass >Beat a rebuilding Titans but no Love, again a pass >Lost to Vikings, not giving a pass just because Love got back >Barely beat Rams, who had no Kupp or Nakua and were suffering from the injury bug on defense >Beat the wildly inconsistent Cardinals, who suck >Beat the Texans, no asterisk >Barely beat Jacksonville >Lose to Detroit >Beat Bears on last second blocked kick >Destroy injury-riddled Niners >Beat a Miami squad who cannot compete in the cold >Lose to Lions again, fans all over bitch about refs with zero self awareness >Beat the Seahawks, who are frauds >Beatdown Saints who have literally nothing going for them >Lose to Vikings, again refs get blamed on the offside call when team did nothing until the game was almost over and the Packers had more questionable calls to extend their drives or end Minnesota’s In all of this, the Packers have beaten 2 teams that are currently playoff bound, one being hampered by injuries. They’ve also lost to 3 Super Bowl contenders, 2 of them twice. They’ve blown out 4 bad teams (which is good, great teams should crush inferior competition: Saints, Cards, Niners, Seahawks), won by a two-score margin against another 2 bad teams (Titans and Dolphins), and won 3 games against bad teams by one score. The last one is damning since Jacksonville is all but tanking, Bears had Eberflus and a very lucky block, and the Colts don’t have a competent QB. All things considered: Yes. They are frauds. Green Bay massively underachieved. Enjoy Philadelphia, boys. Or a healthy LA or an offensively on-fire Buccaneers, depending on how Week 18 shakes out several different ways.
YES! Last year he didn't play well until A Jones got healthy and started running 100 yards per game and Jones was the reason they kicked Dallas. This year Jacobs does well Love looks good. Stop Jacobs and He stinks. He gets credit for the running game!
"Yes, but also no"
They are 100% a playoff team. They are also a team that is a cut below the elite teams. They are a team that should have a decent chance of winning their wild card game, but also have more of a chance of losing the Wild Card game than making the Conference Championship by a decent margin.
Not if they are the 7th seed. They will be heading into the Linc to face an elite Eagles team. This game isn't being played in Brazil this time.
@@thephoenixxm4160yes no half way around the world with the youngest team in the league.
Yes it would take a run, like in 2010? So it’s been done. Good luck.
@@thephoenixxm4160 Agree with everything you just said.
There's no reason the Eagles should lose on paper. The only way the Packers can win the wild card game is if the Eagles are mentally weak.
I think the same for my Steelers
The 4th down 'go for it' in the first quarter... It didn't make sense. The Packers are not The Lions. They should have just taken the points.
This point is what will cost the lions a chip this year.
@jacobsims8307 The Lions going for it already won them 3 games this year and 5 last year including both of their playoff wins.
no its different when the Packers are involved its always brilliant. If that was MCDC the fake news would be saying to fire him. But since its the fudgepackers they gloss right over it.
@@jacobsims8307 suuuure a 4th down will cost a team with 25 starters in IR. Sounds logical
or Reed could've caught a ball that JJ Addison Nailor Hock Jones Akers would've
Keep in mind, this is a “rebuilding” season for the Vikings.
6.5 wins 🤣
Every season since the 70's has been a rebuild season for them 😂
@ I’m a Vikings fan for 60 years…I’d love to have a smart assed response…but, you’re mostly not wrong. It’s extra fun tea bagging the league this year.
You said "ahhh f it" when they signed darnold in the offseason
@@mangos2888 Utter BS. The Minnesota Vikings have won the most NFC North division championships with 21 titles.
If it makes you feel better Tom, Jordan Love is only 16 months older than Bo Nix.
Sam darnold is 1 year older than love and 2 years older than nix
The Vikings “kind of proved it”? Are you kidding me. The Vikings been kicking ass ALL YEAR
They need to prove it in the playoffs. We all remember what happened the last time u guys went. I'm sure Daniel Jones can remind them since he is on the team. The record doesn't mean anything come playoff time. Darnold will be tested in the playoffs.
Most of the year. The Lions have the opportunity to own the Vikings if they beat them next week. A season sweep with a Honolulu Blue Flu loss to the Rams following the first one would be thorough domination.
@@NicholasRoselli-e8m the 2022 and 2024 Vikings could not be further apart. The 2022 team ended with a negative point differential, this 2024 team is +122. We actually have a defense compared to 2022
@@NicholasRoselli-e8mno us fans know exactly what happened and is different to outsiders...we all knew the defense 2 years ago was the worst thing ever and we were gonna lose 1st or 2nd round. This year completely different. Both offense and defense top 10
As a Vikes fan, this is gold
4 super bowls to… 0? I think?
@@Jacob-ux3lg Counting is hard for Packer fans.
@@TJRuper it’s easy when the number is 0 🤣
@@Jacob-ux3lg packers fans gotta live in the past always we talking present and future you packer fans can keep living in the past while the vikings and lions go to the future
@@hnorpiddlydink8670 You guys have proved you can win in the regular season congratulations 👏
You joke, but Brandon Perna would be way better coach/coordinator than anything the Bears have right now.
"Packers have gotten calls in the past." Biggest understatement ever uttered on GPS.
They got more in the game last night.
I thought Perna was going to do a spit take.
Yeah, I know he was saying that they shouldn't be upset about the offsides call, but it's not even worth bringing up. Bad call or not, the Packers were gifted a 15 yard penalty for a "low" block that landed right in a guy's midsection and a very weak PI.
The refs have been helping the packers beat the Vikings for 30 years
The over/under for wins for the Vikings was 6
Somebody is rich
I honestly thought the Lions would win the north, the Pack would be a solid #2 and take the wildcard, the Vikes would come in a distant third and the Bears would suck exactly this bad (I predicted a 10 loss streak and everyone railed me for it). I think the Vikes have the best receiver trio in the NFL which helps a LOT but that O-line. Vikings coaches have coached a masterclass of a season. Minnesota has been so fun to watch this season. I'm looking forward to the playoffs.
@@Zoomer30_ that was obviously low. If it wasn’t for the gay luck they are a 5 win team.
Let me guess, the "fake news media" made the Vikings win? @@greatwhite3676
@greatwhite3676 The Vikes and Bears switched jobs this year, so real question is can the Bears make the 5 wins?
@@lexwaldezYeah, you’re going to explain that psychotic perspective.
Unless you based the Bears futility off of coaching; you are an absolute maniac, who had a mere fluke of a prediction.
The Vikings got called for an offsides that couldn't be seen on replay, and they got a 15 yarder on Harrison Smith on a bullshit call. Also, a team would make different choices down the stretch if they didn't get the 3 points and needed more to win.
NfL is happy as hell now. Vikings vs Lions Sunday prime time for all the beans.
Sure bud.
@@GasStationToiletare you dense?
@@Mroresident32303 He's a gas station toilet. He's full of something. lol
*The refs screwed over Tom's Packers in the 1st half in order* to nudge the Vikings vs my Lions to be an important game,
but for an even greater reason:
*to help the sports writers and speakers to have something to talk about since they're lazy and/or lacking actual creativity!* 🤣
@@independentaquaman7424 The refs screwed over both teams.
Frauds? No. But a great team? Also no.
The fact they've needed a second half surge in all of their losses is very telling. They are the best of the good teams but they are very obviously not a great team.
@@SurlyDuff814 the problem is that elite and great and all these other terms people throw around are relative. I like the way you put it… They’re good but they’re clearly a tier below the top 3 teams in the NFC.
I agree as a packer fan. The packers can play very well. They’ve proven that this year. Are they Super Bowl ready? No. they are not frauds at all but also definitely not on the level of the eagles, lions and vikes
All the packers fans in here saying they're not frauds but then describing them as frauds perfectly 🤣 these are the same fans that though Goff was down in the Lions game because they don't know the rules. The same fans that thought the Packers were on the same level as the Lions even though Detroit was without its starting defense and literally pulled guys off the street for the game. The same fans that have the gall to try and cry about refs when they historically get favorable officiating every year. Basically they're the cowboys fans of the north
@ let’s generalize a whole fan base based on a few comments you read online. Fraud isn’t a very clearly defined term so saying we’re frauds or not depends on how you want to define it. If you want to define a fraud as a team that’s unlikely to win the Super Bowl, then sure, we’re frauds. But I don’t think anyone reasonably expects us to do that at this point, so what’s fraudulent exactly?
@@bowser6047 Just remember that if the Vikings lose to the Lions next week, they will enter the postseason having gotten swept by the Lions and lost to the Rams and will play on the road just like the Packers.
I say this as a Vikes fan, the Packers are NOT a "come from behind" type of team. If they aren't actively leading, they look lethargic as hell. They can make it close, but they aren't going to come back from massive deficits and then pull it out.
Very real possibility the Lions play the Buccs and Rams AGAIN in the playoffs thanks to the Packers’ choke. Ugh.
Bucs and Rams are better than Packers so what's your point?
@@vitrioliccarnagehe annoyed because the Bucs abeat the lions and Rams took them to OT in the regular season and he’s scared 🐓
Lions not worried about either. Lions lost to TB in week 2 and played the Rams week one. While I respect both teams Detroit was not playing good football yet. No preseason for the starters and they started slow.
@@Txjumpmancope
The offsides call was right. The network wasn't showing the shot right before the snap, a split second before the snap he moved his hand in the neutral zone
Jordan Love is having a sophmore slump. This is why you don't give guys who are unproven contracts that cripple your team's ability to fill out the roster based on one year.
You only would have to pay more if you wait. He is a franchise qb is he a top tier guy right now? No.
@@ChadHelmkeno hes really not their roster is hiding his glaring deficiencies
Don't go watch CJ stroud then if you think JLove is having a slump
@@Bobbleheads56 glaring deficiencies 😂😂😂the roster is not perfect their defense is inconsistent and his receivers while talented struggle at times especially with drops. If I’m not mistaken they lead the league in drops. Love can be better, but acting like he sucks is flat out dumb.
Minnesota soundly beat the entire Green Bay team and organisation with effective efficiency that has become the Vikings signature statement. Green Bay is revealed as an average to sometimes better than average team by organisational and coaching design. What the game revealed was only what was always going to be on display. To lay it entirely at Loves’s feet means having to overlook way too much for the sake of an uninformed opinion. Green Bay is just 1 of the better average teams, nothing special in relative terms ✌️
Not frauds but people have been hyping them up for beating terrible teams.
Addison is having a better year 2 then any of our WRs..maybe we do need a WR 1
lol he a dawg
Packers are a run first team
I think Watson should be that guy for yall, but he always hurt
I think yesterday confirmed it for me. We need a real #1 guy. As much as I love Reed, Watson and Doubs, and I do really like them all for what they each individually bring to the team, they’re all too streaky. But we all know GB is set in their ways of not drafting WR’s high. I’m sure they’ll take another high RAS
project edge rusher or a 2nd or 3rd round worthy tackle with their first pick.
He’s gonna get a fat check in 2027
The game management all season has been really questionable from LaFleur. Going for it on fourth down in the red zone when you have more than a yard to go makes absolutely no sense in that game. Take the points when you can get them, Matt!
Lafluer is a great coach but man there have been times this year where he has just been straight up dumb to be brutally honest
There's a time to be bold, and a time to take the points. They lost by a single score 4/5 times. If you needed a sign to take the points-there it is.
I’m assuming the hand is what they got because I didn’t see the offsides much either (as a Vikings fan it 100% was there) but one guy had his hand out like 1 foot in front of every other defenders from that top view and the ref might have seen that
Could have been a makeup call, for a number of bad calls against the Vikings.
@@Pichu-zm9qk here's the thing, officials generally tell you if you line up offsides it's up to you to adjust. If you choose not to....flag!
I felt the Packer’s play calling, not just skipping the FG, was sub par. I yelled more than once, WHY…WHY WOULD YOU CALL THAT?
Also, responding to a comment, I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
We also missed a few FGs. Not to mention the bad low block called on Smith yet not on the packers and bad PI call. The packers were just dominated by a better team that took their foot off the gas in the 4th. I will put the Packers over the Eagles though
How about your choir boy TE taking out knees? LOL. the play doesn't bother me, it's the hypocrisy. You guys love self righteous honkeys.
Eh, the low block call didn’t change much - we were already in FG range, it was a first down, and we still only got a field goal out of the drive (though I do agree it was a bad call). It also didn’t really feel to me like the Vikings dominated… as it still came down to the wire. I had been saying for a couple weeks now that this game would be the litmus test to determine whether or not the Packers belonged in the conversation with the Lions, Vikings, and Eagles… but I think it’s pretty apparent that we’re still a tier below. Good game, and good luck against the lions next week.
Eh, Vikings dominated for 3 quarters. Packers never had the ball with a chance to go ahead. I don’t think there were any crazy calls or no calls that absolutely defined the game. The offsides and the no call on the low block by the packers were probably the most rough. Overall though, I don’t want to play the Packers again, but it would be interesting if the Packers were able to start strong in a game against the Vikings.
The low block had zero impact as GB kicked a fg and was already in field goal range. One of the kicks you missed was from 58 yards, so let’s not act like that was a gimmie. You missed 1 fg you should have made and were gifted 3 points on a bs call. Vikings were the better team, but you can’t say you “dominated” a team when you would’ve probably lost that game if Sam darnold doesn’t complete that final 3rd down
@thanatos1756 hell, I think it’d be interesting if we started ANY game strong against an elite opponent. Every one of our losses feels like we’re just a few fixed mental mistakes away from being able to win… but at a certain point it’s just our identity. I don’t know whether it’s the youth, the coaching, or if we’re just not as talented… but until we prove we can make those plays in big moments, I don’t have confidence we can make much noise in the playoffs.
That is a pretty low standard to say that you'd be better than any of the Bear's OCs.
Where can I watch this full pod episode
So proud my commitment spurred a video.
Is anyone gonna talk about Jordan Love overthrowing so many balls and our receivers look bad with their hands?
And I don’t understand why he chucked it deep into double coverage on 3rd and short downs lol
@@jaredpribylI’m with you buddy. So frustrating just because it’s not an interception doesn’t mean he’s throwing well. He’s playing very bad it’s hard to watch.
I'm a recovering Bears fan. Just got back from the gym and spent 30 minutes working out and talking with a huge Packers fan. Man, John is SUPER down on Jordan Love. He's saying Love has a total lack of touch to throw precise, long balls and Love is a stone drag on the team. I was pretty shocked. Is this a common take among Packers fans? Also, that Perna Bears OC thing hurt. There's just no need to pile on. LOL
The Playoff Revenge Tour is now the theme. Defeat the three teams they lost to this season to reach the Super Bowl. For the Vikings and Lions, the last thing I'd want to see is the Packers for a third time. It's so hard to beat a team three times in a single season.
Don’t eat your words on that last sentence
@@burnman7274 not only would both teams beat the packers a 3rd time they would do it easier then the first 2 times
@@IsaacMSingleton1 yeah I think that loss to the Vikings just killed any sort of playoff hopes the packers thought they had. I am a Detroit guy and it’s pretty surprising to see them continue to lose big games, genuinely expected a lot more this year.
Eff oc, perna should be the next hc of the Chicago bears😅
Just imagine the wheel spinning after every game to decide who's fault it was they lost.
I’m not a Perna fan, but I had to tune into this one.
I've said for some time now that the lack of pass rush is going to doom this team.
Yeah I'm not blaming Josh Jacobs for the reason the offense went completely out of rhythm, but the life was sucked out of the offense on every other drive and it just gave the crowd so much to feed off of that it made the players riled up (hence the dropped passes). I will say though that the play calling was bizarre, and with LaFleur saying they didn't expect as much man as the vikings played just shows that we didn't adjust until it was too late. I will say however that I was pissed about the offsides call because it was so bloody dumb, and just made me feel like the refs couldn't have been any more incompetent on a penalty where it is one of the easier penalties to see and judge whether he actually was, but they didn't even delegate it amongst themselves.
Im a Packer fan but at my heart I'm a NFC North fan and it's nice to see the midwest being the strongest division back to the old days of glory, and all I hope for is that the North knocks off the AFC and bring Lombardi back to where it belongs
I, a viking fan, can get behind this.
I agree. As a Packer fan, I say “share the wealth”, why not a Lions or Vikings SB victory? Hell, even da Bears could use a hug.
No. Just no. I'm sick of this soft mentality people have these days. We are not supposed to "get along". When we are bad we hope they are more miserable than us. Enough of this "everyone gets a trophy" mentality.
@@InfiniteKhaos Or you can go about life, trying to be a happy person. it feels good man
Not frauds, but they are what they showed. A top 4-5 team in the NFC, but currently not top 3.
The packers just feel like a team that can’t start games against good teams. They wait until the game is over to figure things out and it’s always too late.
Also using the term frauds for the youngest team in football is wild to me. People expect them to be good because it’s the packers. They have talent for sure but they have no WR1, no superstar edge rushers, like it’s not a complete team by any means. As a fan I don’t see much hope for this year but when you consider the age of this team it’s not crazy to say they can’t get better. Just have to see how they do in the playoffs and hope for some solid drafting on the defensive side next year.
the ending was so funny, thanks for laugh yall
THE ONE TIME THE SEAHAWKS WANTED YOU TO WIN 😢
Seahawks should’ve never lost to the giants
@MajorStormz I know
Main thing the packers need is some help on the pass rush and a little receiver help
Enagbare needs to use his brain and not just go with the play call he ran right past Akers as he was leaking out for the pass I saw it immediately anything their is a TE or rb coming off protection in such an obvious way you have to pick that up.
SKOL! The offsides penalty on the FG was sus af. But then there was a play where the Vikes were called for a neutral zone infraction when our guy never crossed into the neutral zone.
Packers are still good. I’m excited for the playoffs but I’ve tempered my expectations and I would not be shocked to see them lose in round 1. But at the same time, I also wouldn’t be shocked if they somehow make it to the Super Bowl. There is a lot of talent there, and Jordan Love can turn into one of the best QB’s in the league at times. Ultimately though, the fact is this team hasn’t put a full game together this entire season, I don’t see it suddenly happening in the playoffs. But the games are played for a reason, I’ll be watching every minute of it.
The NFC is wild. Crazy year to be a Vikings fan. SKOL
Dominated for 3 1/2 quarters. Just Saying! PS Their were calls missed on both sides trust me! They are slotted at 7 and it fits perfect. Good luck in Philly!
I've thought this the whole season, same with the Ravens. They use their running backs against bad or average teams and win, but JJ and DH can't do much against good teams. Both teams need to involve Flowers and Reed more.
I’m sorry perna… I know how it feels but Skol! 😂 n go pack go just cuz I know how to root for the whole nfl not just just my team. We had 68M dead cap this year so we’ll b better too
Honestly I think Perna would actually be an upgrade for the Bears at this point.
As a packer this vikings team is really good super bowl team it hurts to see this 😢😢😢😢😢
One of the Packers was inching forward on the offside call. Not far enough to actually be offside, but the refs saw movement, so that's the answer to "what were they seeing"
Vikings had a ridiculous offside call on Jalen Redmond too. Been some really bad officiating this year… nothing new I guess🤷♂️
As a Vikes fan I gotta say I really appreciate that when we didn't learn our lesson from the first game - to really close out games well against good teams - the Packers made sure to drill it into our heads! 😂
This group reminds me a lot of the 93-94-95 Packers. Very talented but not quite there yet.
Darnold is better than Love
So is Wiilis
NFC north is the best division
The league doesnt need to go to 18 games to go to 19 weeks. Just give every team a second bye and you still get TV revenue from an additional thursday game, monday game, and 5 sunday games. The other change is to have every team play exactly 1 neutral site game whether it is an international game or a game at a college stadium...how many LSU fans would watch justin Jefferson play Burrow and Chase at LSU? Or JJ mcarthy (in two years)facing off against Jim Harbaugh at the big house? But the important part is the teams arent credited with home status when they are not playing a home game.
Why is anyone surprised? We’re at least a year away from being ready for a Super Bowl. We made the playoffs. Enjoy it!
Im not all that surprised by JLoves "regression" this year, teams had a whole offseason to scout him. This is a great, young team, but we've still got some learning to do.
Vikings, Lions and Packers have only lost to division champions(Bills, Buccs, Eagles and Rams) or divisional opponents
The problem is the Vikings got bailed out by the refs. The first half the missed/bad calls resulted in 10 points. Same thing when we played the lions. In a one score game the refs can certainly make the difference and that's what we've seen multiple times in division games now
Its true, 0-5 against the nfc 3 best. Every game was close. But going for it on 4th and 2 against a tough defense instead of kicking a field goal was the play of the game
I feel like we haven't even seen the vikings play a full game yet. They get so far ahead and then just turn everything off and let teams get close. I guess KOC just likes that 1 score game record
Just want to point out that this is a division game, which is always harder than any normal game.
Lets be honest. Even if that flagged field goal wasnt flagged, the Vikings still would've found a way to win
Can't complain on the offsides... Vikes missed two FGs besides that. Relying on teams missing FG is not a winning strategy. Vikes controlled both games and Pack was lucky to make the score look close at end.
Not saying it will happen but the playoffs are a whooole different ballgame from the regular season. Yes, the Packers have a lot to get right, yes they got swept by two division rivals, yes It’s still going to be very tough but would be the greatest if the Packers ended up facing the Lions and Vikings again and beat them when it really matters. GPG!!
Eagles are 3-3 vs NFC playoff/in the hunt teams. Packers are 2-5. 4 of their 5 losses came from Vikings and Lions. Normally when Packers were frauds in years past, they would get blown out by these teams. They lost to the Eagles by 5, lions by 10 and 3 and Vikings by 2 twice. This isnt your same Packers team that would destroy crappy teams and get owned by playoff teams. They are good enough to win the wild card round and thats about it. They are one more year out from making a run.
Having to scramble and try to score a bunch while the other team is trying to run out the clock should not be a factor into thinking a team is better then they are. My lions got blown out by the bills I don’t go around saying we only lost by 3
True…the Eagles would definitely have more losses if they had 4 games against those teams.
@@jaredpribyl maybe.. but the Eagles played the AFC North and have 3 losses.. the Packers played the AFC South and have 5 losses... dont think you can just use te argument of 'if the schedule was harder the Eagles would have more losses'.. even last season, the Eagles got thru their gauntlet fine and then lost to the Giants and Cardinals
@@srivatsankrishnan9936 Packers never lost to any AFC teams so its irrelevant who they played in the AFCS. All 5 losses are from vikings, lions and Eagles. All NFC teams.
We have jumped into a nother dimension where the NFC North
is the dominant division in the NFL. Gen-X has never seen this before.
As a packers fan Grossi is 💯 correct. Love and La Fleur slept through an entire first half, that’s why we lost
You lost cause your team isn't very good. It's not rocket science.
Packers offense couldn’t do anything against the Vikings D in either game, until they went to prevent…which I know it all counts, and that’s Flores fault for going prevent, but it played out the exact same both games
The Packers run defense is good but Minny loves to pass much more than run so it didn't matter too much.
The thing is, I always feel after these games that we can beat these contenders. We just need one more chance it’s always been close. It’s just that team has always made one more play than us. I take solace and knowing that these teams probably fear us knowing that if they make one mistake, they’re gonna be screwed.
Its more like the refs help them claw back into every game for a scripted almost comeback
@@Bobbleheads56 Literally not at all.
@@cax1175 if you can’t open up your eyes at this point, i can’t help ya kid….
@@Bobbleheads56if everything in the nfl is rigged, why are you here watching content about a rigged game? clown.
@@Bobbleheads56 The problem with your view is there are 1700 non-computerized players in the league, all better than you at football.
Dont want to play a division team in playoffs? Hmmmm. I would rather prepare for an opponent im used to than one i dont. Maybe players feel differently, but i am not sure if thats a true statement or not
Packers wish they can just play the Bears, Saints, 49ers, AFC South, and Dolphins every week 😆
The packers need another year and another wr as well as cb help they absolutely needed to address cb in the last draft jaire isn’t Jaire lately or even availability when needed the most.
@@andrewstutz4240 I think our current WRs corps just needs to take a step forward and we need to address CB and pass rush in the offseason. An alpha WR wouldn’t hurt but I don’t think it will solve all of our problems.
The thing with the Packers is that they are too streaky. They have some really bad lull's in games and I don't think they have the consistency to win multiple games in the playoffs right now.
GB is going to regret giving Love that contract.
Yeah have a 3rd franchise QB really sucks… 😂
Lol
@@crandonborth🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You think Love is a franchise qb. He's the 5th best qb in the division.
@@shawnjohnson9763Jordan love is arguably QB1 in the nfc north
@@shawnjohnson9763 obvious troll but holy sht you actually believe in Goff don't you? 😂
Next two weeks are going to be _hilarious_ for Detroit.
Remember, the Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. They are good but not great. They need to draft nothing but CB's and DLmen next year
Also WR and OL.
A whopping average of 2 years younger than the average age of the oldest roster. People keep saying that like they are way younger than any other team. And they've been saying it for like 3 or 4 years now.
@@CrudPig12 Because they have perpetually been the youngest in that time, and it's a huge difference
@@sspademann1800 how is an average of 2 years a huge difference? The Vikings are the 2nd oldest team. They move on from their long snapper and a couple older defensive players and they are right in the middle for average age. Overall average age doesn't matter that much. Your core might be way younger or something, I don't really know. But it's also not a guarantee young players all pan out to be anything more than just average players.
@@CrudPig12 If you are working a job do you think you will be better at the job in the first year or the third year, or do you think there won't be a difference?
I don't think the division leaders should have home field advantage. Sure they can be in the playoffs, but if they are going up against a 14-3 team, or a 12-5 team and their record is 9-8 or 10-7 I'm sorry you have to go to their stadium. They can get in for beating their division, but the seeding has to reflect record, not just a bad division.
Not frauds but not as confident contenders as the other top teams in the NFC. They haven't been blown out by those teams but persistent bad penalties/mistakes and lackluster play for the entirety of those games have doomed them.
They still have the talent and could still go on a run in the playoffs but at this point their play lends more to a one and done like last year. I could see them beating a high seed but it's a gauntlet they would have to go through
Couldn’t have put it any better my friend. The packers are gonna have a very tough road to go all the way. But they are also a team you can’t take lightly
The Packers are a good team. They’re just not on the Lions or Vikings level this year. You can’t get swept by two teams in your own division and still rationally think you can win a SB
"i still think my team can beat anybody" - Tom Grossi, December 30th 2024
Sure, Tom. Packers can beat anybody. I mean they had 4 tries to beat two division rivals and couldn't get a single win. But next time will work!
That’s just Tom coping
@Djturnt I know but still made my eyes roll
They can also lose to anybody and that will be on display when packers lose to bears Sunday. I'm a packers fan and this will be the game they finally beat green bay and it's also going to drop them into the 7 seed and screw then in the long run.
I think they can: With the caveats that they need to be healthy, and they're still a young team so they will be inconsistent at that.
What you said also isn't a fair statement, because both the Lions and Vikings have been dominant this season, likely taking the #1 and 2 seeds in the NFC overall. The Packers likely finishing the season with a 12-5 record despite sharing a division with the #1 and 2 seeds is a testament to them being a "pretty darn good football team" all-considered.
IMHO what doomed this game was Watson getting injured. Without their #1 WR, it meant the Vikings were able to focus even more on Jacobs, and they're already one of the top run defenses in the NFL.
@@aoitamashii the lions have over 20 players on IR. They objectively cannot beat any team. They've had multiple cracks at it already.
Im just a Packers fan, but just a fan non the less. I think Matt (HC) makes some awful play calls, as well as Jordan still launching the ball where there's no play or a very very slight chance of making a play....
If its 3rd down, and you have a chance to get a 1st, but decide to launch the ball in double coverage rather than a short pass....... Makes no sense why he is still making terrible decisions on throwing the ball. Getting paid too much money to be making the same mistake over and over again.
Again, just a fan, but the few flaws that I noticed that have not changed.
Lets just see how some of these choke artists play this post season
Even though I, a Vikings fan, believe we are the better team. Playoffs in a winner take all week to week, cant predict it. I dont want to face the packers for a 3rd time trying to win for the 3rd time. Incredibly hard to beat the same team 3 times in a season. And honestly, kind of crazy if the packers go into Fhilly, beat philly, go into MN, beat us, and then go into Detroit and beat them. Full Redemption.
I think what’s happening is that so many packers fans lived in denial about the reality of the issues on the team and finally saw all the issues on display. Pass rush has been bad, it’s never been good. MLF is a bad play caller, bad strategist, bad at adapting during games, and has questionable decision making. Kenny Clark is NOT THAT GOOD. The Dline is hot garbage. The team as a whole NEVER EVER ADAPTS. We can make excuses for injuries or say that we need a wr1 or whatever else but if you don’t fix the core issues of the team, we will never make a sb ever again.
Great team. They just have the unfortunate situation of having to face the Lions AND the Vikings TWICE EACH. Thats 4 of your 5 losses.
I jus hope this doesn’t turn into a Trevor Lawerence situation
there has been one screen shot of that field goal..that does not mean the player didn't edge forward...it also doesn't prove what was seen down the line....its just such a weird penalty to call so there had to be something....AND if injuries would have mattered ...Tom would have picked the Vikings to win right?
Vikings are missing their LT, and lost 2 CBs one who died in a car crash.
The Packers have lost 5 games by an average of 4.4 points, to teams that have a combined record of 40-7. Frauds? You can make arguments for getting lucky in a few games, but I think its very difficult to dispute that they Packers are a good team in the NFL. Given how close their losses have been, I don't think its crazy to think they have a chance of beating some teams with better records. How high that chance is is up for debate, and is why we play the games.
Good team? Yes
Super Bowl contender? Nope
0-5 against the real contenders shows that.
The packers statpadded in the first lions game and both Vikings games. They never actually had a chance to win any of those
@@kylewest4044 You think the Packers didn't have a chance the 2nd game against the Vikings when they lost by 2 points but could have kicked a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down? Win by two points=domination I guess.
Teams aren’t frauds if they beat real competition. Let’s recap:
>Lost to Philly
>Barely beat Indianapolis but no Love, so we’ll give you a pass
>Beat a rebuilding Titans but no Love, again a pass
>Lost to Vikings, not giving a pass just because Love got back
>Barely beat Rams, who had no Kupp or Nakua and were suffering from the injury bug on defense
>Beat the wildly inconsistent Cardinals, who suck
>Beat the Texans, no asterisk
>Barely beat Jacksonville
>Lose to Detroit
>Beat Bears on last second blocked kick
>Destroy injury-riddled Niners
>Beat a Miami squad who cannot compete in the cold
>Lose to Lions again, fans all over bitch about refs with zero self awareness
>Beat the Seahawks, who are frauds
>Beatdown Saints who have literally nothing going for them
>Lose to Vikings, again refs get blamed on the offside call when team did nothing until the game was almost over and the Packers had more questionable calls to extend their drives or end Minnesota’s
In all of this, the Packers have beaten 2 teams that are currently playoff bound, one being hampered by injuries. They’ve also lost to 3 Super Bowl contenders, 2 of them twice. They’ve blown out 4 bad teams (which is good, great teams should crush inferior competition: Saints, Cards, Niners, Seahawks), won by a two-score margin against another 2 bad teams (Titans and Dolphins), and won 3 games against bad teams by one score. The last one is damning since Jacksonville is all but tanking, Bears had Eberflus and a very lucky block, and the Colts don’t have a competent QB. All things considered: Yes. They are frauds. Green Bay massively underachieved. Enjoy Philadelphia, boys. Or a healthy LA or an offensively on-fire Buccaneers, depending on how Week 18 shakes out several different ways.
Perna can you coach the bears next sunday? WE NEED YOU TO BEAT THE CHEESEHEADS 😭😭😭
Lol the offense couldn't do anything because no Watson?!
The amount of cope in this comment section brings me joy 😂😂.
4th best team in the NFC, playoffs, no shame in that.
Oh boy, there’s a lot of salt and toxicity in this comment section. Gotta love sports fandom, eh?
Not frauds...pavkers are a good team...just not a great one or an elite one.
They have beaten precisely no one.
Frauds.
@@Zieg_Games11 wins?
@@y2j1490yahoo All against chumps.
Frauds.
@@y2j1490yahoolet them feel better about themselves by putting down others. Only way they know how to exist.
@@Zieg_Games so the Texans are no one
packers got a free offsides call too.
Sam Darnold goes by the "Duke of Darts" now
Is it me, or is Jordan Love more of a mid QB, but we give him a pass because?
It’s not just you.
YES! Last year he didn't play well until A Jones got healthy and started running 100 yards per game and Jones was the reason they kicked Dallas. This year Jacobs does well Love looks good. Stop Jacobs and He stinks. He gets credit for the running game!
Whoever plays GB is basically getting a bye.😂😂😂😂
Just over here dickin around with Sam Darnold on a rebuilding year…
Perna even looks like a young Matt Eberfluess, so they’ll already be familiar with him!