ESO - Say GOODBYE to AOE TAUNTING in The Elder Scrolls Online!
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2024
- Yup you ready the title correctly, the ability to apply area of effect TAUNTS in The Elder Scrolls Online is now GONE! This is GONE and it WON'T be returning!
Following multiple interviews and discussions with the devs, they have finally gotten around to altering a constantly irritating set in the game that has proven to give UNINTENDED results for far too long! The set in question being the Tormentor set! This originally was designed to allow charge/teleport/pull/blink abilities to taunt targets, but it had ONE major oversight... Skills that hit MULTIPLE targets on impact, applied to ALL targets with no cool down. Meaning you could taunt a crowded room all at once!
The developers want players to make their own choices when it comes to aggro in The Elder Scrolls Online, since the taunts are controlled and not aggro counter driven like most other popular mmorpgs. And after a 3 year combat pass, they finalled nailed the coffin shut on how sets affect skills!
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AOE Damage: check. AOE Healing: check. AOE Crowd Control: check. AOE Taunt: Tossed off the roof...
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This is the weirdest change, it’s just a fun pve set
ah yes, the ol choice of "Do i taunt this mob first or that one?"
I am late to this game. I followed the lazy tank guide. I grinded for the sets, I did pvp (which I loathe, but did it for the lazy tank). I finally got it and was working through all the dungeons in order to get practice. I was learning the mechanics of each. Now this?!? Not throwing the dummy out but other games are calling.
i dont blame you mate ESO has my most steam playtime- and recently over the last year, i just have no reason to return to it, being healer/tank just isnt fun- being DPS is okay for the most part til you want to get to the endgame stuff, then everyone whos somewhat decent expects you to have already completed the challenges, then they make stupid changes and additions like this- in my whole couple years of playing i think they only added like 2 mounts at most that are earnable- maybe 3 if you include the scrying one- ontop of that, they lock the system things behind DLC (the scrying etc), which means if i want to farm a mythic for one class- i will have to pay them 😭 the games becoming abit washed up- you should try other games
AoE taunts aren't even really needed in this game...all fights are balanced to have just a couple of priority taunt targets (or close enough to that for it not to matter) and the rest you can ignore as a tank...it's not like other MMOs where all mobs in a dungeon can kill your team mates so you need to taunt them all, had you actually learned tanking in this game you would have noticed this
@AvengingN00b Thank you, and yes, I did notice the many choices for tanks and following guides on mechanics as mentioned above. All I was saying is I picked one of many, devoted months to getting the gear and skills, then the changes occurred. I still think it's a great game. I just have other games I had lined up to play.
Thank you for your videos and guides, Xynode, they're always informative and helpful. Out of curiosity, how are bows looking in U41?
I admit I have a sad. Aoe taunt was so much fun
Hats off to you sir. I don't know how you can remember all these sets ,cc, buff, Debuff,stun , along with everything else. I have learned a ton from you over the year's even when I quit playing on xbone, actually I'm 90% sure it was you I happened to be in a group with way back in the first year of release, that told me so many mechanics when we were going through crypt of hearts. Then I seen the name and subscribe to you're channel. Keep on keeping on.
It's a bit confusing that the WW skill lines have basically one dps morph and one tank morph. I think a lot of players(including myself) assumed the tank morphs could be used to make a tanky werewolf. And by using tormentor could perform the tank role reasonably well in most vet dungeons. My WW was a dps(before they capped LA damage) who then became a tank and will maybe now have to stop playing WW altogether. What will WWs be good at after this patch?
I don't understand why they think a werewolf shouldn't be able to tank. The whole idea is that they're unnaturally tough and agile, and every werewolf movie ever has been about having to find ways to deal with werewolves on those terms. Like, the priority when you see one is to kill it as hard as you can. if anything, tanking is a werewolf's one niche.
ZoS: killer of fun.
Let Templas AOE pin enemies to the ground with holy spears similar to Nezah's ultimate in Warframe. Change the ability they already have to have piercing Holy spears that rain down instead, like it kinda did early in the game's life.
Will you be making an updated "Lazy Tank" for the Templar with the new update?
*AoE damage/healing light show*
Dungeon/Trial:"You're the Tank! You're the Tank! We're all the Tank!"
No fun allowed. Not even for this Niche one-dimensional base game unoptimized set. Rip werewolf tanks
What sucks is that there is already so few tanks for dungeons. If you queue as tank you'll find a group immediately. Nerfing abilities/sets for tanks just drops the number of people playing tank even more. Nobody wants to tank already because it's not easy and they just make it more difficult for anyone to want to. Rip tormentor
It'll be just the same with people just putting in as Tank and not being one , so many runs with mage DPS as Tank you get used to it.
Brilliant - spend years dumbing the whole game down to the lowest possible denominator, with uniform stats/skills, one bar builds and full 12 man Arch beam-bot meta groups....
but make (the rarest) role harder and less accessible, so fewer players want to even try it.... genius
This still won't make me discard my goodie werewolf that brought me so many trifectas. I had a thing going though with spaulder and pearlascent and no one had any complaints ever (they're getting 645 weapon damage by being near me). Well, now I think I can consider the other morph of pounce which is more resource efficient and is better suited to tank than the 'AOE' one. I wonder what counts as the first target hit though, will it apply to the closest enemy or get applied randomly in a cluster of mobs...
What are you running for your ww build bro?
Pearlascent/Drake's Rush, Spaulder of Ruin, Void Bash, Tormentor of course to taunt. S&B both bars.
This is why people leave the game. You spend time and resources to develop a build then ZOS says "Gotcha! that gear is now trash. Start over". I've played since One Tamriel with some time away from time to time and this has gotten so old. I'm tired of constantly changing my builds and play style. If something works, leave it alone. My Templar tanks will now be healers. There's no upside in using them.
Ikr? I stopped playing over a year ago for the exact same reason. Just too tired to try and keep up with changes. But still follow news and updates about the game because, despite all the stuff devs are pulling, I enjoyed my time in ESO immensely and consider returning from time to time. But then something like this happens and I'm like "...Nah".
And templar tank was so much fun to play too! Apparently, ZOS still hates fun. Glad that didn't change. :^)
Going to hard disagree here. Changing things up is a good thing and promotes the games longevity. If nothing changed, then people would leave because the game is stale. At least this way people can continue to buildcraft into things they maybe never considered before.
@@CHECHNYANFISH and that's fine, continue to make new options. But to do that you don't have to completely dismantle the old options. I'd rather spend my time working on new content than once again farming gear for another new build.
@@girlinterrupted112 Agreed. I never really used it in hard content but they're great for 4 man and normal trials in some cases. I guess now it's a healer or dps.
@@billystarcher8146 I'll agree that the old things don't need to be completely dismantled, but I will say that by changing these things up, you make the incentive to do new content to get and try new gear. It also gives the incentive to do older content and get gear there to try and make a new build. Compared to if things stay the same, people might not necessarily play new or old content to get new things because their current set up hasn't changed in however long. Farming may be tedious, but if it makes you play different things to get the new gear for a new build, then the devs have done their jobs by getting you to interact with the game world more.
So, will there be a change to the malice build?
Hi, well, that is a lot of future not so happy PvP players too!
Great video, thanks.😮
Taunting in PvP?
So is werewolf tank is pointless now? That is a dagger in my side i tell you what. I just got the full tormentor set 😢
Yeah my werewolf tank build I'm almost 4 years was paired with Tormentor Elysian an engine Guardian monster set and he was an absolute Beast he shined on both sides of the aisle in PVE and PVP ,
I have nine werewolf builds in this game but the Developers at ESO has destroyed every single one of my builds, I have nothing to play with anymore and with the current state of the werewolf I have no interest nor desire to even play this game anymore but this is just the last straw that finally reached that Tipping Point I'm done playing a broken farming game tired of having to pay to win every time I turn around and the list goes on not me this time I'm off to something better
I just recently started tanking and I'm amazing at how pissbutt easy it is compared to other MMOs.
What about the taunt set?
R.I.P. Tormentor. The glory days of fun-tanking is almost over. You'll be truly missed. One by one the most fun aspects of the game are being stripped away... 😞
RIP Tormentor set like many others
Today ? No pts patch note? Not up yet ?
So no chance of being able to create an AOE taunt via the new Scribing system then I guess
lol, I bet that’s why they made this change 💀😂
Will miss how it works, but maybe this can help make WW viable in PVP again for me. Thanks for the detailed info.
does Werewolf Berserker taunt with their AoE heavy attack + heavy attack taunt passive?
I loved having a one bar templar tank to run daily dungeons quickly and get my xmute crystals. The AOE taunt was so fun. This is a bummer! I have been grinding for the rush of agony set to charge, taunt and pull. AH I'm bummed.
Im deconning all my tormentor so sad :( i mean heal is nice, agony still pulls and agro, but than again need multiple taunts... with good aoe deeps shouldnt be a problem, but the fun is taken away....
Oversight?? They changed it ON PURPOSE several patches ago. Oh well, it's their game. Don't understand a lot of their recent mindset. This was fun and required a full 5 pc sacrifice. I loved aoe taunt with drawbacks and will dearly miss it. Also, can we at least get a flippin' immobilize for templar tanks then?? Gonna have to use bows now ig
It’s like they keep stacking on reasons not to play tank💀
Well Your Cleric build maybe all I have left in Templar builds I havnt tried.Looks good to.Very D&D in fashion department.
It's great. Try it out.
This could be a pretty good IA build
Heal shmeal. An AoE debuff or snare would be more useful.
Damn glad i saw this before using my Templar tank again
what a pathetic change, like what did this set do to fucking destroy the game?
Yes
I hope they're doing this because there might he new AoE taunts with the new scribing system. But this is ZoS so it's most likely they just hate fun.
Why?
Maybe we'll be able to make aoe taunts with spell crafting who knows, really. While it is a shame my entire templar tank doesn’t work anymore, it opens up the possibilities of other builds.
Tormentor was a fun Set…
I understand that chios and tha fact that this is the only way to fix it is sad I will miss tha multi taunt ability but maybe one day it will come back
Good bye sweet prince! You were a fun set, now you're going into the never use again bin for some people(maybe for pvp).
I was thinking might be more viable now in pvp, some theory crafting inmind now but god damn what a fun killer of a change.
Was this build being exploited in pvp? I'm only asking because I've never done pvp. Other than that, I can't see why anyone would even report it as a bug. It wasn't like a god mode exploit in pve either. With all the other bugs in the game it makes no sense at all to me that the devs would make this one a priority when no one even reported it.
Rush of Agony is commonly used in PvP these days for some bombing builds. You charge at an enemy players and it pulls other enemy players to you. But I don't know if it was bugged in some way or "exploity".
They should just make tanking like World Of Warcraft tanking, tanks there have auto threat; just need to hit the target to taunt really. I am new to ESO tanking so the taunting part is easy, I just feel confused if I have to taunt every target or just one and then aoe to hit everything to taunt the rest.... O_O
Welp ...there goes my Tormentor tank😢
I hate it. I love the lazy tank!
Back to the drawing board 😢
The reason is spellcrafting. When you look at the video for spellcrafting there's a bow skill which can have AOE taunt as an affect. They just don't want to do it at the same time, it's easier to just break it on the patch before, less collateral.
I really hope that's the case.
I hate it, but after a decade of extreme changes I'm used to it and will adapt.
I'm salty. But will move forward.
Unless they introduce an actual AoE taunt, this is absolutely devastating news. This is the first time one of my builds have been so negativly impacted by ZoS's garbage decision making.
I did use the Stampede Tormentor combo for a little while. It was a cool thing to do. In the end, it just wasn't that useful. I stopped using it except for 2 fights. Void Bash for the most part made Tormentor/Stampede unnecessary. I don't mind the AoE taunt going away.
But… RIP my werewolf tank! 😢Why do they hate RPers?
I am more disturbed by the new mythic. I can at least attempt to understand the rationale behind this niche armor set’s change. Regarding the new mythic I do not think wearing a subpar set was the solo player’s idea of making overland more challenging 😂.
Idk I'm pretty excited about it lol you got assholes like me that run trials/dngns in ornate gear for the lols
At least the first target is taunted. That makes it somewhat useful.
They probably adding aoe taunt with the spell craft upcoming
I think not, as that would contradict their own design decision.
Stupid why wreck tormentor rip warewolf tank i aint spaming jump the whole dungeon
I don't care I'm still using it for my WW tank :P
Salty af but accepting of the change. I thoroughly enjoyed playing the worst but easiest tank in the game. Templar doesn't bring a lot to the party but what it did have was aoe taunt. Now it's just a worse tank than DK and Arcanist and just as hard to do. I hope they give Templar something to make up for this, I'd love to see something like a unique debuff to spell resistance as there are plenty of reductions to physical resistances. Without it I'll probably respect that build into a healer and make my Arcanist tank as he brings more to the group.
Why is ZoS so adamant about forcing us to okay the game the way THEY want to? So much for player freedom. Forbid we make tanking any less tedious.
"developers want players to make their own choices"
Great, cause I would choose aoe taunt anytime. Oh wait, the devs actually don't want players to have choices... The whole game is about build diversity, I never understood why the hell there are no aoe taunt skills. If someone doesn't want to use it, well.. don't use it then.. AOE taunt with skill would be fun, it was fun with tormentor set as well.
I'm not playing at the moment, I found your video cause I wanted to migrate back from wow, but after watching this video I'm glad I left eso long ago.
ZOS fcks this game up to the point that people wanna stop playing.
This is why ff14 will always be the better game
Agreed.
Lol yeah because FF14 always listen to players and never changes stuff so players get mad... 🤣 Played since beta did we?
So they took away our AOE taunt and gave us AOE heals..... on a templar tank..... which already has a bunch of AOE heals....that's like taking away your car and giving you back 1 single roller-skate, when you already own a bicycle factory, a very poor substitute which is not necessary. The set is now a complete irrelevance once again nothing but deconstruction fodder. If they wanted to change the set why not give us a nice AOE snare or root? Triggered by the charge it would have slipped nicely into our builds with barely a feather ruffled. We have Time Stop sure.. but lets be honest here.... Time Stop sucks...Time Stop is bad.. the only reason we all use it is because there is no better option. This set COULD have been one, but isn't. Very disappointing.
Tanking was bad enough in this game, removing one of the only things that make it easier and not so gated is fucking stupid, the devs are just fucking stupid if they thing this is a good idea
I'm salty about it, but I understand.
What I really appreciate is the last 5 min or so of the video, when you explain WHY, and how the changes are so integrated. It irritates me so much when people think this game is easy to fix, or to debug. Anyone who has ever worked near a dev knows just how untrue that is.
I didn't know 27 million lines of code. I knew millions, but not where in the millions the number was.
I also didn't know they never intended WWs to be tanks. Good to know!
I came back after a couple years to find my aoe taunt was gone. I don't care about the trade offs. Id rather go back to diablo 4 than play this ever again
Changing this is just Fun Police behavior.
Be careful ZOS. Many of us are tired of the guild rules, crappy nerfs, ignoring PvP. FFXIV and new releases are waiting.
Nice, maybe now its time to leave this boring game, a present which ZOS deserve to the 10Years👎
ruined it to sell next chapter more to make people buy spellcraft evil zos
rip WW tank ..... WW can't taunt effectively anymore becuase his taunt will cost 4000stamina everytime now (pierce armor does it with1300)
This game is terrible now lol moved on to New World
That's the dumbest move I've ever heard of a dang dev group doing All games have aoe taunts or a way to pull aggro in an AOE manner, that was the best set for when dps is squishy and alot of DPS expect tank to Taunt or pull all targets together this has to be the most mind numbing pointless update I've ever heard in a while. Look at it from an actually logical Reasoning Tanks need AOE taunts content is getting harder with higher health harder hitting mobs, The dungeons are looking more like a trial run than a Dungeon and most casual players are having a harder time sticking in there and you're telling me you think a set that WAS meant to provide that much needed AOE taunt doing what it was meant to was an Irritation to you? so you believe a tank should Waste his Already minimal Resources single taunting Ever individual add in the room and potentially Lose main taunt because people like you find it annoying?
Excuse me sir but you don't speak for all of us A lot of us believe and Asked for an AOE Taunt so we could tank better and more efficiently without having to spam single taunt the whole time wasting our resources. Most games have at least One AOE taunt for when you need to pull a massive group and you out here acting like that was a bug and NOT a needed feature?
I didnt even know it was a thing.. so honestly no damage done to my end.
yes but perhaps for endgame tank etc / certain builds it changes alot, makes it more effort- its a shitty change whether ur a tank or not, cos now the main person who keeps the enemies from killing you all in veteran has to work overtime
same never had 1 tank aoe taunt ever.🤷♀
Ngl i always loved eso because it had no aoe tank and us tanks had actually still some work to do. Imho aoe taunts make stuff way to easy
Well, so you have to Tank like the rest of the real ESO tanks. How awful…
Manage taunt, manage resources, learn the pulls, and have fun as an advanced player.
…and I don’t mean Xy btw
Never tried the set on my tank. But it sounds like a good change and still useful.
Wait there was AOE taunting because I've never seen any Tank use it? But then again I've had so many runs where DPS just put in as Tank for faster runs , once you get used to that it won't be such a big deal. 🤣🤣
I did use it for a while when I found out about Tormentor. I stopped using it because I generally don't need an AoE taunt and there were much better sets to use. I kept it around because it made 2 fights easier. I don't mind the AoE taunt going away. I have Void Bash for grouping enemies and just hard taunt the priority enemies. When you are doing trials with multiple tanks, you don't want the AoE taunt as you don't want to accidentally steal taunt.
@@GeneChiu
So true.
this games on its way out i used to enjoy it but its actually just terrible change/addition after another- its got my most steam playtime too, sucks- there is no reason to even play this garbage anymore
Just stop play and move on then? Name 1 MMO who doesn't have players leaving / hate. You can't. Players will always hate and complain in every online game there is.
@@xGamehix its got nothing to do with players leaving or hating- the problem is the bad changes that cause it to happen- i have over 2k hours in the game and want to enjoy it still, but things like this just make it less overall fun, its hard enough as it is even getting a decent tank to run content with u if u play somewhat casually in end game- a change like this affects the already lacking part of the player base, which can make it even harder
Good
I heard you about the difficulty in writing the code. Honestly though, just make an AOE taunt for the tanks. Put it in a skill line like undaunted or fighters guild. Trying to pull all the adds with some newer players can be a headache. And doing some niche build that I don't care to lvl or play is dumb. Still love the game though!!