"The Flying Brick, The Gun with Thrusters, and the Flat-Top Jut-Bottom" I've never heard a more succinct, hilarious, and yet brilliant summation of UNSC Ship Aesthetics. Just for that I'm subscribing. Would love to hear similar lines for Covenant, Forerunner, or Banished ships. Something like "Beached Whale, Amputated Squid, and Sperm Cell"
I always saw it as a evolution of the phoenix class similar to how the strident was a evolution of the classic frigates, I hope at some point 343 does a game like empire at war or homefront or sins of the prophets which focus on fleet battles
@@logansinclair7488 Not exactly the type of games he is hoping for. Stellaris focuses on faction building instead of fleet combat as all fleet combat is decided before the battle even begins.
I used to not really care too much about the Vindication all that much. However, that all changed when i played this game called project stardust. The game made me fall in LOVE with the Vindication. Honestly im glad someone finally covered this extremely obscure, underrated beautiful ship. Thank you
Ok just played Project Stardust and oh man is that a fan game. Kinda surprised now that I think about it that a AAA game like it hasn't been made yet considering the success of World of tanks and Warthunder
I think it’s cool that the UNSC was able to manufacture new ships after the war, despite all the damage done they were able to get back on their feet pretty quick.
i always felt like they could have made a game about Halo space battles like what Empire at war did for star wars, there's so many interesting stuff about Halo ships (plus they look cool)
This channel is like a long lost dream come true for me, Would absolutely love longer breakdown of specific types of ships and naval tactics!! Thank you!!
Mark 42 and Mark 58 may be similar to the US Navy's SM series of missiles. US ships carry different variants of the SM series and they each do a slightly different, but not necessarily better, job than each other.
There actually was another battle ship in the UNSC, it was the most powerful ship during the war, more than even a Punic. It was the Thanatos class heavy battle ship. As part of operation orora Boros idk how to spell that lol. It was meant to stop the covenant advance toward the inner colonies. It was a monster too. Look in to it and please do a video on it. It deserves it.
The Vindication class was something that always stood out to me since I first saw it in Halo 4, because it looks the UNSC's attempt at making a Mass Effect ship. What I mean by that is that it has the blocky and angular hull design typical of UNSC vessels, but the prow of it looks like they took the main weapons of several Alliance cruisers from ME1 and stuck them on. It even has a similar hull color.
Agreed, I kinda thought that a lot of Halo 4 and Halo 5 ships (but mostly Halo 4) had a distinct Mass Effect flavor to them, even the Promethians and Didact look like they'd fit into Mass Effect quite well.
Considering that orbital defense platforms could destroy basically any ship in one shot and they were « only » Mk V, I’d imagine a Mk X would obliterate anything it hits
that's not necessarily true. in a real life example, the us B83 nuclear bomb has a yield of 1.2 megatons while the older B41 nuclear bomb has a yield of 25 megatons. the B83 is of course safer and probably more efficient in terms of nuclear materials used and smaller physically. the Mark X MAC simularily could be more energy efficient, more cost efficient, lower maintenance and lighter, but not strictly more powerful. plus the fact the super mac got their power from ground based generator plants. entire fusions facilities made to power them, while ship born macs are constrained by the reactor on board which is also space limited.
@@mxn1948 Neat comparison, I say given the ship's size and possible power output. It probably has a weaker firepower and extremely long charge time, but probably worth it comparing to weaker frigates or more expensive heavy capital ships.
@@mxn1948 I've read the reason the newer macs are stronger is because they accelerate rounds at higher speeds than older macs, kind of challenging as it would normally mean more energy consumption, wouldn't be surprised if the explanation becomes they slapped some forerunner/covie tech on it
As to the different models of missile pods, if we follow the trend of modern VLS launch cells, it could be different “mounting platforms” insofar as differences in possible warheads, launch patterns/launch range, locking aspects, and so on
Really enjoy your breakdowns of the new era or unsc ships. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the prowler class ships, or if you're looking for a change of pace maybe looking into the various models of weapons seen over the course of the games. Always fun to see how styles change between variants.
4:50 I'm not entirely sure but I think you may have missed one, the Super MACs on the Punic Class Supercarriers are referred to as "Series 6 Super-Heavy Coils". However, that ship is just as (if not more) obscure than the Vindication itself.
I wish to point out the decanonized Orion class Battleship. It used to be on Halopedia, but sometime around 5 years ago it got pulled down, and I can’t find references to it anywhere else. Basically, 2 were built, one was in dry dock on Reach during the glassing and her armor shrugged off a direct hit by a glassing beam. They carried 2 Super MACs, and other ordnance I cannot recall. The other ship was in orbit, and took out most of a Covenant Battlegroup before going down. Rest In Peace, you glorious battleships.
The day before the makers of Halo Fleet Battles tabletop game Spartan Games went under I was shown there version of the Vindication which had been just signed off by 343 a few days earlier looked like a cross between sins’s Vindication and Spartan Games Epoch
5:07 I believe that the ship that the UNSC Commonwealth was shooting at in the Fall of Reach movie/book was a CRS-class light cruiser. Which is multiple times smaller than a CCS-class cruiser. They are actually smaller in every way than a Paris-class heavy frigate, it’s smaller in length, width, and mass. So it kinda makes sense that a UNSC ship would be able to destroy a covenant ship almost 2 times smaller than itself!
@@AngelsCreed-jo5fp yah it’s been 10+ Games amazing, it’s playable and buggy. There’s nothing else like it however it’s got many problems and a huge scale of scope hope it gets worked on. But yah our grandkids will get to play it unless they can’t upgrade the engine by release time lol
You should make a video on the Punic class, super carriers of the UNSC, really beautyfull, ships, and also, as i know the surviving ones, a bunch of them actually still in active service, and fighting the Cortana and, banished menace, due to their massive fire power, and great flexibility in combat situations
The different designations for the archer pods are for the launcher not the missiles themselves. As there'd probably be multiple types launched from them.
rarely any lore to do with the ships its about as rare as seeing there size scaled correctly in the games, and i love how you designate the ship classes the flying brick the gun with thrusters
Minor point regarding the CR-03 Series 8 MACs; the nomenclature is shared across both of the UNSC's supercarriers - Punic and Infinity-class. I imagine there's a logic to it, we just don't have all of the information necessary.
3:29 the M58 might not even be a diffeent missile, it might be the pod itself, if its going on a battleship might just mean its an upscaled pod that holds more missles, either that or it might just be an upscaled version thats either longer and or wider requireing a diffrent pod, most missile pods could have the capacity to use newer and older missles if the same dimensions given its basicly just a VLS but not forced to be verticle, im honestly assuming its not a bigger missle but just a larger pod to maintain logistics ease, unless the larger pods are like how the M270/HIMARS works where you can swap out smaller or larger pallatized missles/rockets given a modular launch cell, ie one version might have a larger amount of cells or the cells might be aranged diffeently given the shape and size of the hull its mounted on
Just imagine this thing in a death ride of the battlecruisers style charge into an enemy formation blowing apart banished ships while being screened by autumns and anlaces. I need this thing to make an actual appearance as the center of a fleet
in regards to the missile pods it could very well be that the infinity was outfitted with the best and latest but then they looked at hundreds of thousands of stocked archer missiles that work fine, just not as well and they would certainly decide to make them usefull before they end up expiring
Goated ship Just like the Deserts of Kharak sand traversing monstrosity, the Battlecruiser, I love myself some superheavy weapon batteries made to plow through anything in range.
What is the current state of the UNSC navy? I am confused on its state post halo 4. Is it a super power amongst disorganized covenant successor states? A defense fleet barley modernized enough to finally resist covenant ships sustainably? A modernized fleet that is just on par with other factions in a post covenant galaxy?
I imagine most fleets are likely on par at this point. The Covvie fleet was EXBOX HEUGE but it's since split into multiple factions and the UNSC fleet is recuperating still.
Who knows? I doubt 343 knows lol. Considering how bad they bungled halo 4,5 and infinity I doubt the idiots can find their asses with both hands and a radar set.
There are the reaper class battleship but it only served for 4 to 5 years during the human-covenant war before production stopped. There's also 2 other kinds but I can't remember what they are. The vindication is the only known battleship currently in service but only the only unsc battleship class to exist.
@@gammacompanymark Always had a weak spot for the Heavy Cruiser. But the Destroyer is kinda underrated. There's a forum thread that goes into calculating the Covenant's Feats and capacities. I'd highly recommend it if you're looking for detailed information.
Missile launchers and the missile themselves are two separate sysytems. So my best educated guess is that the different millise launcher system can accommodate a larger missile itself, carry more missiles, or both. Take Raytheon's Mk 41 and Mk 57 VLS as an example. At least if they follow modern western naval nomenclature.
I love the idea of light battleship in space travel stuff. It imply the firepower of a battleship with higher maneouvrability(fuck that word is hard on my french canadian brain), making it more of a flanker in my eyes
Hey first time seeing one of your vids good watch. I watned to maybe help clarify some things in this video. 1. The SoTP model and weapons do not follow lore as they wanted to make the ship feel more of BB. Therefor they made it slighty bigger with more guns and 2 more MACs. 2. The difference between the 2 Archer models is size. If i recall the M58 is a much larger missile then the 42. 3. Though by name it seems the vindication has a stronger MAC. The infinity is equiped with the strongest MAC. During the battle with the didact the Infinity was the only ship that could damage it. Ships like the vindi were useless.
Shame the Infinity casts such a big shadow for the rest of the fleet to get obscured in... As someone who probably spent hours on the level "Midnight" in the Broadsword section, I can say with confidence that there are 4 "Vindication", 8 "Poseidon", and 9 "Strident" operating as part of Battle group Dakota before casualties are inflicted by the Particle cannons. There also appears to be additional Vindications flying in reverse in the background of Midnight with Broadswords as escort. Granted, said background ships could be a different class, but due to the common silhouettes, I wouldn't be surprised if 343 re-used the low poly model to give a more dynamic setting. While not my favorite class of UNSC ship, it's classification alone gains a certain amount of fondness from me. Though I doubt it could k.o. a CAS class by itself, let alone it's shields.
The only thing that I was confused for a example is one type of ship has gun on side just like the autumn class but some images from other sources has no guns on the side on the same ship class.
Absolutely amazing breakdown, the thing about UNSC ships falling into three categories is so on point and funny lmao Unlike most 343 era ships this thing is somewhat less ugly and better fitting in the correct representation, though the ones in Halo 4 are treasonous levels of unattractive. I really hope they can make these things out to be an actually cool design like the one in the Infinity cutscene rather than whatever terrifying geodesic scrapheap it tends to be portrayed as in model. There are some fanon battleships that tend to follow a more accurate 'big cruiser' airframe, which I would personally say fit the setting vastly better, but the atmospheric thrusters and generally not ridiculous curvy hull (cough cough Anlace cough) has a lot of potential to be unique. Maybe they can do good with the Vindication??? Hopefully?
I did the math and I found a very durable inconel that would've been roughly equivalent to the various metals DS 1 & 2 were made of. A class 8 Mac would've 1 shot the first death star with a through hole and 2 shots would've bored a hole most of the way through the second death star. If one of these with class X batteries showed up at Yavin or Endor it would've been a smackdown
When ever I look at the covenant ships from halo I always wonder why the covenant didn't make a ship with a primary Emphasis on their plasma Lance weapons because they could cleave a unsc frigate in two in one well placed shot
The ccs that took the 2x light macs was actually sopposed to be a crs(from the book). Halo has a habit of shitting over its own books. Imagine if the UNSC thought of this when it first saw the CAS. Or just, you know strapping the BFGs to a stripped marathon or valiant frame, or whatever else could take the weight, power, and move them around.
Wasn't there a custom level for Halo CE wayyyy back that was pretty much the top surface of one of these ships? I remember it was one of those big bot maps that had custom brutes, and other covenant enemies/weapons. Two sides constantly sending AI at eachother.
Looking at the specs, it felt like a up-gunned destroyer. I wonder if it's really just a next-generation destroyer that's mini-maxed for ship combat that they classify as "Battleships" to improve the appeal
I never understood why the UNSC focused more on carriers over battleships, especially during the human-covenant war. I can understand using carriers against insurgents, but in space, a battleship will dominate a carrier in a battle. Yeah, I know the creators of the franchise were focusing on real world near 1-to-1s, but in sci-fi, but come on! You can’t go wrong with a battleship in space! Imagine if the UNSC had put some resources into making a mobile Orbital Defense Platform, or taking a carrier design and dedicating the usual areas for hangar spaces for reactors, with the goal being to supercharge the ship’s MAC cannons. Would they have changed the course of the war? Unlikely, but they would have caused a lot of hurt. Again, imagine a “Super MAC” from an Orbital Defense Platform that could move! Of course, Halo isn’t exactly a heavily naval focused sci-fi. However, if someone is looking for some ship-based shenanigans, the Lost Fleet series of books and Legend of the Galactic Heroes are great examples of fleet-based space combat, I highly recommend them.
Love the 2. LoGH's reboot fleet doctrines, though, seem to favor the usual rool of cool. Tactics used are either ocps or too standard to survive as long as the offending party did, or just show how stupid the loser is.
@@armni4619 True, which is why I prefer the Lost Fleet’s tactics: literally just massive fleets drivebying each other in fractions of a second, having to maneuver into engagements using orbital mechanics to their favor.
@Thirsty Sailor yep. Simple, easy, and not a strain on cgi with the overdetailed graphics. Yet we get inconsistent ranges, yields, visible laser shots, and more. Then producers end up complaining abt the work.
I'm going through this huge rabbit hole of Halos ships One thing that has me a bit confused is this, if covenant ships are basically "cloned" then now that the humans and covenant have somewhat been cooperating together. Are they allowing or teaching humans how to use that tech? If so what ships or things have they built
I guess the series 8 macs are capable of directed energy fire in addition to the standard capabilities of a MAC and all the stuff listed in the lore. I figure this from that one scene in the halo 4 campaign when it fires on the mantles approach
The Vindication-Class Light Battleship is actually not the only Battleship operated by the UNSC,1 of the other battleships operated by the UNSC Navy was the Thanatos-Class Heavy Battleship, do you mind making a breakdown video about it?
Something else that was mentioned about the Vindication class, it has severely UNDERPOWERED engines and can't match acceleration with most other modern warships coming our of the yards and therefore was relegated to basically planetary defense roles. Why no UNSC engineers thought of a class wide retrofit is beyond me but....
There is a really superior model of a vindication battleship in the Prefabs on halo infinite. Im using it right now to mske an arena map where you fight on the hull of it. Its a good rendition of the Sin's model and the halo 4 model. Lots of room on the exterior and forward ventral hanger to add on bits and make it your own.
I’d love to see a breakdown in the infinity I feel like you could go a lot more in depth than other ccs and it could include your opinion and view on the infinity’s demise
I'll agree with you when it comes to 343 and bungee not giving a lot of attention to the fleet ships but I'll say this at least Bungie did make an effort to flush it out of it and to this day I still would imagine what would have happened if Spartan games continued with the Halo Fleet battles license, cuz at the time they had the rights to make All Ships for the Halo Universe
Here proves again how the tech used by humanity makes no sense, the battleship should have been a norm and a lot more beefier than this. The Battleship would have represented along with the super carriers it would have been protecting the pinnacle of human technology sporting next generation MACs and DEW weapons (way before the reflex laser we see being used by frigates In Infinite) it would have been an equalizer to the dominance of the Covenant allowing the UNSC to have a few more victories to build on. That’s why it made no sense no to have a true battleship including in the inventory of the Navy from the onset. It’s funny how technologically stagnant and recessive the humanity of the 26th century is, compared to other fps’s of similar genre. Powered armor and human augmentation should be the norm in the 24th century,and yes super soldier augmentation will be “special “ but they would not be the hype displayed by Halo, again we are talking about the 26th Century and humanity is still geared like they are in the 21st Century,makes no sense. I like the Vindication but it should be at least 2.5 km long and be a beast of a frontline capital vessel
The lore reason might be that the UEG didn't need to build them because there's no one to fight. Other than the innies but they were never really a naval threat.
@OCO878 I can agree in part, but you don't plan or build for what now,but rather for projected threats also. Humanity has always had that mantra militarily speaking, carry a big stick (in part) why have the Punics with no Frontline slugger to complement it and as it is seen the Navy suffered horribly from it. Again it's one of those backward aspects of this 26th Century Humanity where common sense progressive technology development doesn't exist, lol and smh
There's actually a reason for that. The Forerunners wanted to punish humanity for the Human-Forerunner war, so they set them back evolutionarily. It's also the reason why humanity has worse technology than every other species even after the Halo's fired despite every species being reseeded in a similar timeframe.
@@oco8783yeah. Why build a battleship when there’s no one to fight with it? Carriers are at least more multirole and can serve as the flagship of a patrol group (such as a patrol group of frigates, destroyers, etc spread out that has a Punic as a hub for refueling, rearming, etc)
3:45 likely for logistical reasons. This war was desperate and humanity had a really good structure for sending things and people. Just destinations seemed to melt.
I wish halo showed more love to their ships as they are some of the coolest designs in sci-fi.
You and me both.
I think you speak for a lot of us there
They just copied aliens ships hell they even copied the armour
I feel the same way about like... MOST sci-fi franchises. Star Wars and Star Trek are really the only ones that have any emphasis on them lol
Eeeeeeehhh not.
Probably the second coolest post-war human vessel after the Autumn class, so sad it's so obscure. You cover all the cool stuff haha
I try to keep it fresh and not cover stuff everyone's already seen.
Wait what’s the Autumn class? A post war, new and improved design based on the one and only Pillar of Autumn???
@HunterH 117 yes a vid by gamma about it ua-cam.com/video/I-pkmNEXAcs/v-deo.html
@@hunterh1175 indeed it is. And they're probably even harder to kill than the old PoA
@@gavinwallander4693i love how a game name project Stardust did the opposite
"The Flying Brick, The Gun with Thrusters, and the Flat-Top Jut-Bottom"
I've never heard a more succinct, hilarious, and yet brilliant summation of UNSC Ship Aesthetics. Just for that I'm subscribing.
Would love to hear similar lines for Covenant, Forerunner, or Banished ships.
Something like "Beached Whale, Amputated Squid, and Sperm Cell"
I always saw it as a evolution of the phoenix class similar to how the strident was a evolution of the classic frigates, I hope at some point 343 does a game like empire at war or homefront or sins of the prophets which focus on fleet battles
Try Stellaris with halo mods
@@logansinclair7488 Not exactly the type of games he is hoping for. Stellaris focuses on faction building instead of fleet combat as all fleet combat is decided before the battle even begins.
I used to not really care too much about the Vindication all that much. However, that all changed when i played this game called project stardust. The game made me fall in LOVE with the Vindication. Honestly im glad someone finally covered this extremely obscure, underrated beautiful ship. Thank you
God I hate that game. It's my favourite
Ok just played Project Stardust and oh man is that a fan game. Kinda surprised now that I think about it that a AAA game like it hasn't been made yet considering the success of World of tanks and Warthunder
Bro I love project stardust so much honestly one of the best space combat games I've played
yeah it made me like the strident roblox project starust
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I think it’s cool that the UNSC was able to manufacture new ships after the war, despite all the damage done they were able to get back on their feet pretty quick.
i always felt like they could have made a game about Halo space battles like what Empire at war did for star wars, there's so many interesting stuff about Halo ships (plus they look cool)
Sins of the prophets is that if you want it. Probably the best we'll get
@@the500mphtortoise well Sins of the Prophets 2 is coming with Sins of a Solar Empire 2, so we'll probably be seeing this ship and more
I'd really love a game in the vein of Battlestar Galactica Deadlock.
This channel is like a long lost dream come true for me, Would absolutely love longer breakdown of specific types of ships and naval tactics!! Thank you!!
Mark 42 and Mark 58 may be similar to the US Navy's SM series of missiles.
US ships carry different variants of the SM series and they each do a slightly different, but not necessarily better, job than each other.
I can't wait for you to blow up man, I love these breakdowns.
There actually was another battle ship in the UNSC, it was the most powerful ship during the war, more than even a Punic. It was the Thanatos class heavy battle ship. As part of operation orora Boros idk how to spell that lol. It was meant to stop the covenant advance toward the inner colonies. It was a monster too. Look in to it and please do a video on it. It deserves it.
The Thanatos is fanmade material lol
@@ebimd1851 its not cannon? That’s sad I thought it was lol. I guess I play too much sins of the prophets.
I wish the Thanatos was canon, it's sick.
Oroboros would be the word you were looking for.
@@gammacompanymarkwell, why not cover fanon ship designs?
Your channel is honestly a hidden gem. I CRAVE halo naval videos, especially since it’s a less talked about aspect of the franchise
I dont know if anyone else has brought it up yet, but I would love to see a breakdown of the proposed Thanatos Battleships. Keep up the great work!
W Thanatos
The Vindication class was something that always stood out to me since I first saw it in Halo 4, because it looks the UNSC's attempt at making a Mass Effect ship. What I mean by that is that it has the blocky and angular hull design typical of UNSC vessels, but the prow of it looks like they took the main weapons of several Alliance cruisers from ME1 and stuck them on. It even has a similar hull color.
Agreed, I kinda thought that a lot of Halo 4 and Halo 5 ships (but mostly Halo 4) had a distinct Mass Effect flavor to them, even the Promethians and Didact look like they'd fit into Mass Effect quite well.
I love your narration style, not too formal but still clear and understandable. Props mate, cheers.
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Considering that orbital defense platforms could destroy basically any ship in one shot and they were « only » Mk V, I’d imagine a Mk X would obliterate anything it hits
that's not necessarily true. in a real life example, the us B83 nuclear bomb has a yield of 1.2 megatons while the older B41 nuclear bomb has a yield of 25 megatons.
the B83 is of course safer and probably more efficient in terms of nuclear materials used and smaller physically. the Mark X MAC simularily could be more energy efficient, more cost efficient, lower maintenance and lighter, but not strictly more powerful.
plus the fact the super mac got their power from ground based generator plants. entire fusions facilities made to power them, while ship born macs are constrained by the reactor on board which is also space limited.
@@mxn1948 Neat comparison, I say given the ship's size and possible power output. It probably has a weaker firepower and extremely long charge time, but probably worth it comparing to weaker frigates or more expensive heavy capital ships.
@@mxn1948 I've read the reason the newer macs are stronger is because they accelerate rounds at higher speeds than older macs, kind of challenging as it would normally mean more energy consumption, wouldn't be surprised if the explanation becomes they slapped some forerunner/covie tech on it
I never even realized that was a new ship type. Great video man
As to the different models of missile pods, if we follow the trend of modern VLS launch cells, it could be different “mounting platforms” insofar as differences in possible warheads, launch patterns/launch range, locking aspects, and so on
Really enjoy your breakdowns of the new era or unsc ships. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the prowler class ships, or if you're looking for a change of pace maybe looking into the various models of weapons seen over the course of the games. Always fun to see how styles change between variants.
4:50 I'm not entirely sure but I think you may have missed one, the Super MACs on the Punic Class Supercarriers are referred to as "Series 6 Super-Heavy Coils". However, that ship is just as (if not more) obscure than the Vindication itself.
I wish to point out the decanonized Orion class Battleship. It used to be on Halopedia, but sometime around 5 years ago it got pulled down, and I can’t find references to it anywhere else.
Basically, 2 were built, one was in dry dock on Reach during the glassing and her armor shrugged off a direct hit by a glassing beam. They carried 2 Super MACs, and other ordnance I cannot recall.
The other ship was in orbit, and took out most of a Covenant Battlegroup before going down.
Rest In Peace, you glorious battleships.
Isn't the Orion a canon fleet carrier?
Just add a grip at the bottom it will look like a gun, that's why I love Halo's design philosophy for ships
The day before the makers of Halo Fleet Battles tabletop game Spartan Games went under I was shown there version of the Vindication which had been just signed off by 343 a few days earlier looked like a cross between sins’s Vindication and Spartan Games Epoch
If they designate something as "light" that indicates there is a heavier version.
5:07 I believe that the ship that the UNSC Commonwealth was shooting at in the Fall of Reach movie/book was a CRS-class light cruiser. Which is multiple times smaller than a CCS-class cruiser. They are actually smaller in every way than a Paris-class heavy frigate, it’s smaller in length, width, and mass. So it kinda makes sense that a UNSC ship would be able to destroy a covenant ship almost 2 times smaller than itself!
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There are numerous unknown classes of ship, so there’s probably a heavy out there too somewhere
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That style, is called Caldari.
Love this breakdown, I just subbed!
Time to update the visuals on this. With Sins of the Prophets new ship release.
please do the UNSC Orion Class Assult Carrier next
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Awesome! Loved halo
Hope it inspires a Star Citizen Dev to make something similar we can enjoy
Havent they've been in development for like more than eight years?
@@AngelsCreed-jo5fp yah it’s been 10+
Games amazing, it’s playable and buggy.
There’s nothing else like it however it’s got many problems and a huge scale of scope hope it gets worked on.
But yah our grandkids will get to play it unless they can’t upgrade the engine by release time lol
Modders are gonna have fun with that game imagine cruising in a venator class star destroyer or a Paris heavy frigate
I think it’s called *series 8* cause of its forerunner origins
You should make a video on the Punic class, super carriers of the UNSC, really beautyfull, ships, and also, as i know the surviving ones, a bunch of them actually still in active service, and fighting the Cortana and, banished menace, due to their massive fire power, and great flexibility in combat situations
The different designations for the archer pods are for the launcher not the missiles themselves. As there'd probably be multiple types launched from them.
rarely any lore to do with the ships its about as rare as seeing there size scaled correctly in the games, and i love how you designate the ship classes the flying brick the gun with thrusters
With the archer pods it could mean amount of tube ie pods to lunch missiles 48 vs 40 possibly
Minor point regarding the CR-03 Series 8 MACs; the nomenclature is shared across both of the UNSC's supercarriers - Punic and Infinity-class. I imagine there's a logic to it, we just don't have all of the information necessary.
3:29 the M58 might not even be a diffeent missile, it might be the pod itself, if its going on a battleship might just mean its an upscaled pod that holds more missles, either that or it might just be an upscaled version thats either longer and or wider requireing a diffrent pod, most missile pods could have the capacity to use newer and older missles if the same dimensions given its basicly just a VLS but not forced to be verticle, im honestly assuming its not a bigger missle but just a larger pod to maintain logistics ease, unless the larger pods are like how the M270/HIMARS works where you can swap out smaller or larger pallatized missles/rockets given a modular launch cell, ie one version might have a larger amount of cells or the cells might be aranged diffeently given the shape and size of the hull its mounted on
Just imagine this thing in a death ride of the battlecruisers style charge into an enemy formation blowing apart banished ships while being screened by autumns and anlaces. I need this thing to make an actual appearance as the center of a fleet
in regards to the missile pods it could very well be that the infinity was outfitted with the best and latest but then they looked at hundreds of thousands of stocked archer missiles that work fine, just not as well and they would certainly decide to make them usefull before they end up expiring
“A ship master that doesn’t care about his ships, except ..”. Good one. Haha
Goated ship
Just like the Deserts of Kharak sand traversing monstrosity, the Battlecruiser, I love myself some superheavy weapon batteries made to plow through anything in range.
What is the current state of the UNSC navy? I am confused on its state post halo 4. Is it a super power amongst disorganized covenant successor states? A defense fleet barley modernized enough to finally resist covenant ships sustainably? A modernized fleet that is just on par with other factions in a post covenant galaxy?
I imagine most fleets are likely on par at this point. The Covvie fleet was EXBOX HEUGE but it's since split into multiple factions and the UNSC fleet is recuperating still.
Who knows? I doubt 343 knows lol. Considering how bad they bungled halo 4,5 and infinity I doubt the idiots can find their asses with both hands and a radar set.
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Thanks very much!
1:13 that turret on the bow looks like a mk15 Breakwater
I LOVE UNSC ships. They're all so beautiful.
its in the end mission of halo 4 where your flying around with the broadsword. you can see it firing on the ditact ship far away
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There are the reaper class battleship but it only served for 4 to 5 years during the human-covenant war before production stopped. There's also 2 other kinds but I can't remember what they are. The vindication is the only known battleship currently in service but only the only unsc battleship class to exist.
Hoping to see some Covenant ship later on.
Next up is the Orion class, and after that either the covie destroyer or frigate. I haven't decided, you have a preference?
@@gammacompanymark Always had a weak spot for the Heavy Cruiser. But the Destroyer is kinda underrated.
There's a forum thread that goes into calculating the Covenant's Feats and capacities. I'd highly recommend it if you're looking for detailed information.
3:45 I just realised that bellow the missiles there's a BR and a Grav-Hammer
Missile launchers and the missile themselves are two separate sysytems. So my best educated guess is that the different millise launcher system can accommodate a larger missile itself, carry more missiles, or both. Take Raytheon's Mk 41 and Mk 57 VLS as an example. At least if they follow modern western naval nomenclature.
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Great Video, I subbed.
Halo has so much detail they could have branched out into different genres a long time ago
I love the idea of light battleship in space travel stuff. It imply the firepower of a battleship with higher maneouvrability(fuck that word is hard on my french canadian brain), making it more of a flanker in my eyes
6:29 why he laughing like that lol
love the vids bro keep em comming
Thanks! Will do!
Please do the Sahara-class heavy prowler i think it's my favorite design of a spaceship
Hey first time seeing one of your vids good watch. I watned to maybe help clarify some things in this video.
1. The SoTP model and weapons do not follow lore as they wanted to make the ship feel more of BB. Therefor they made it slighty bigger with more guns and 2 more MACs.
2. The difference between the 2 Archer models is size. If i recall the M58 is a much larger missile then the 42.
3. Though by name it seems the vindication has a stronger MAC. The infinity is equiped with the strongest MAC. During the battle with the didact the Infinity was the only ship that could damage it. Ships like the vindi were useless.
Shame the Infinity casts such a big shadow for the rest of the fleet to get obscured in...
As someone who probably spent hours on the level "Midnight" in the Broadsword section, I can say with confidence that there are 4 "Vindication", 8 "Poseidon", and 9 "Strident" operating as part of Battle group Dakota before casualties are inflicted by the Particle cannons. There also appears to be additional Vindications flying in reverse in the background of Midnight with Broadswords as escort. Granted, said background ships could be a different class, but due to the common silhouettes, I wouldn't be surprised if 343 re-used the low poly model to give a more dynamic setting.
While not my favorite class of UNSC ship, it's classification alone gains a certain amount of fondness from me. Though I doubt it could k.o. a CAS class by itself, let alone it's shields.
The only thing that I was confused for a example is one type of ship has gun on side just like the autumn class but some images from other sources has no guns on the side on the same ship class.
The unsc actually had a couple battleships like the reaper class battleship, but their was only 4
The newest battleship in the unsc is the TITAN class PRESTON J. COLE which is supposed to be a new flagship even bigger than the infinity
Absolutely amazing breakdown, the thing about UNSC ships falling into three categories is so on point and funny lmao
Unlike most 343 era ships this thing is somewhat less ugly and better fitting in the correct representation, though the ones in Halo 4 are treasonous levels of unattractive. I really hope they can make these things out to be an actually cool design like the one in the Infinity cutscene rather than whatever terrifying geodesic scrapheap it tends to be portrayed as in model. There are some fanon battleships that tend to follow a more accurate 'big cruiser' airframe, which I would personally say fit the setting vastly better, but the atmospheric thrusters and generally not ridiculous curvy hull (cough cough Anlace cough) has a lot of potential to be unique. Maybe they can do good with the Vindication??? Hopefully?
I did the math and I found a very durable inconel that would've been roughly equivalent to the various metals DS 1 & 2 were made of. A class 8 Mac would've 1 shot the first death star with a through hole and 2 shots would've bored a hole most of the way through the second death star. If one of these with class X batteries showed up at Yavin or Endor it would've been a smackdown
I don't remember the inconel I picked but it was similar in description to beskar. Light, tough, heat resistant, standard spacecraft stuff
The difrent archer missiles might be power, speed, size, and or range. It could also be any combination of this or I could be wrong
When ever I look at the covenant ships from halo I always wonder why the covenant didn't make a ship with a primary Emphasis on their plasma Lance weapons because they could cleave a unsc frigate in two in one well placed shot
They need to make the Heavy Battleship the coolest looking thing ever, lile, it's a BATTLESHIP
The ccs that took the 2x light macs was actually sopposed to be a crs(from the book).
Halo has a habit of shitting over its own books.
Imagine if the UNSC thought of this when it first saw the CAS. Or just, you know strapping the BFGs to a stripped marathon or valiant frame, or whatever else could take the weight, power, and move them around.
They also portrayed the Arabia and Vostok in that movie as Parises, but they were both Charons.
@@gammacompanymark yep. Inconsistency has been the only accurate presentation so far throughout these days.
Wasn't there a custom level for Halo CE wayyyy back that was pretty much the top surface of one of these ships? I remember it was one of those big bot maps that had custom brutes, and other covenant enemies/weapons. Two sides constantly sending AI at eachother.
Looking at the specs, it felt like a up-gunned destroyer. I wonder if it's really just a next-generation destroyer that's mini-maxed for ship combat that they classify as "Battleships" to improve the appeal
I never understood why the UNSC focused more on carriers over battleships, especially during the human-covenant war. I can understand using carriers against insurgents, but in space, a battleship will dominate a carrier in a battle. Yeah, I know the creators of the franchise were focusing on real world near 1-to-1s, but in sci-fi, but come on! You can’t go wrong with a battleship in space!
Imagine if the UNSC had put some resources into making a mobile Orbital Defense Platform, or taking a carrier design and dedicating the usual areas for hangar spaces for reactors, with the goal being to supercharge the ship’s MAC cannons.
Would they have changed the course of the war? Unlikely, but they would have caused a lot of hurt. Again, imagine a “Super MAC” from an Orbital Defense Platform that could move!
Of course, Halo isn’t exactly a heavily naval focused sci-fi. However, if someone is looking for some ship-based shenanigans, the Lost Fleet series of books and Legend of the Galactic Heroes are great examples of fleet-based space combat, I highly recommend them.
Love the 2. LoGH's reboot fleet doctrines, though, seem to favor the usual rool of cool. Tactics used are either ocps or too standard to survive as long as the offending party did, or just show how stupid the loser is.
@@armni4619 True, which is why I prefer the Lost Fleet’s tactics: literally just massive fleets drivebying each other in fractions of a second, having to maneuver into engagements using orbital mechanics to their favor.
@Thirsty Sailor yep. Simple, easy, and not a strain on cgi with the overdetailed graphics. Yet we get inconsistent ranges, yields, visible laser shots, and more. Then producers end up complaining abt the work.
1:53, I mean, the shape of a spaceship doesn't matter so why not
Just a little observation
I'm going through this huge rabbit hole of Halos ships
One thing that has me a bit confused is this, if covenant ships are basically "cloned" then now that the humans and covenant have somewhat been cooperating together. Are they allowing or teaching humans how to use that tech? If so what ships or things have they built
I believe you have missed a MAC, the series six which is on Halopedias page for the Punic
I guess the series 8 macs are capable of directed energy fire in addition to the standard capabilities of a MAC and all the stuff listed in the lore. I figure this from that one scene in the halo 4 campaign when it fires on the mantles approach
I think that was just another of 343's early bad art style choices. But honestly I don’t really mind it as much as some of the other things they did.
The Vindication-Class Light Battleship is actually not the only Battleship operated by the UNSC,1 of the other battleships operated by the UNSC Navy was the Thanatos-Class Heavy Battleship, do you mind making a breakdown video about it?
That is a Fandom design made by SoTP.
@@LuckeyWasForced Oh it was? thx for the info
Series 8 in the middle of a line of Marks.
Now that's gonna bother me too for the rest of the day.
Something else that was mentioned about the Vindication class, it has severely UNDERPOWERED engines and can't match acceleration with most other modern warships coming our of the yards and therefore was relegated to basically planetary defense roles. Why no UNSC engineers thought of a class wide retrofit is beyond me but....
Nice video bro
Do you any plans for a video on UNSC fighters (such as the longsword) or missiles (like the archer)?
There is a really superior model of a vindication battleship in the Prefabs on halo infinite. Im using it right now to mske an arena map where you fight on the hull of it. Its a good rendition of the Sin's model and the halo 4 model. Lots of room on the exterior and forward ventral hanger to add on bits and make it your own.
I’d love to see a breakdown in the infinity I feel like you could go a lot more in depth than other ccs and it could include your opinion and view on the infinity’s demise
Do you plan to do any videos on fanon ships, like the Thanatos heavy battleship?
Dude 6.3 thousand views in one day your growing so fast
I'll agree with you when it comes to 343 and bungee not giving a lot of attention to the fleet ships but I'll say this at least Bungie did make an effort to flush it out of it and to this day I still would imagine what would have happened if Spartan games continued with the Halo Fleet battles license, cuz at the time they had the rights to make All Ships for the Halo Universe
Here proves again how the tech used by humanity makes no sense, the battleship should have been a norm and a lot more beefier than this. The Battleship would have represented along with the super carriers it would have been protecting the pinnacle of human technology sporting next generation MACs and DEW weapons (way before the reflex laser we see being used by frigates In Infinite) it would have been an equalizer to the dominance of the Covenant allowing the UNSC to have a few more victories to build on. That’s why it made no sense no to have a true battleship including in the inventory of the Navy from the onset. It’s funny how technologically stagnant and recessive the humanity of the 26th century is, compared to other fps’s of similar genre. Powered armor and human augmentation should be the norm in the 24th century,and yes super soldier augmentation will be “special “ but they would not be the hype displayed by Halo, again we are talking about the 26th Century and humanity is still geared like they are in the 21st Century,makes no sense. I like the Vindication but it should be at least 2.5 km long and be a beast of a frontline capital vessel
Bungie and the 2000s bug.
The lore reason might be that the UEG didn't need to build them because there's no one to fight. Other than the innies but they were never really a naval threat.
@OCO878 I can agree in part, but you don't plan or build for what now,but rather for projected threats also. Humanity has always had that mantra militarily speaking, carry a big stick (in part) why have the Punics with no Frontline slugger to complement it and as it is seen the Navy suffered horribly from it. Again it's one of those backward aspects of this 26th Century Humanity where common sense progressive technology development doesn't exist, lol and smh
There's actually a reason for that. The Forerunners wanted to punish humanity for the Human-Forerunner war, so they set them back evolutionarily. It's also the reason why humanity has worse technology than every other species even after the Halo's fired despite every species being reseeded in a similar timeframe.
@@oco8783yeah. Why build a battleship when there’s no one to fight with it? Carriers are at least more multirole and can serve as the flagship of a patrol group (such as a patrol group of frigates, destroyers, etc spread out that has a Punic as a hub for refueling, rearming, etc)
1:14 but what about the Thanatos then?
Well the Vindication is still a canon ship, and I want to cover most of those first before I open the floodgates.
I hope one was called the “Raymond holt”
Could the fanon Thanatos be applied as a ship or no?
3:45 likely for logistical reasons. This war was desperate and humanity had a really good structure for sending things and people. Just destinations seemed to melt.
Man a super battleship that look simmaler to ww2 battleships would look cool
Halo really needs a battle fleet gothic game
Rtas my beloved
Legit, we need to see more banished ships from 343. Not just the repurposed covenant ones
I just thought series 8 was another way of saying mark 8. I would make more sense than an entire new designation system for a single make.