Yeah their Nitro albums are great. Art of Drowning isn’t my fave. It’s good but the first 3 records, I absolutely love. Some will say their first 2 aren’t good and they were finding their sound but I freaking love those. Their early 7”s are fun to listen to. I have all of them. All in all I think I own around 25 AFI records (7”s, 10”s, and 12”s).
Old old - ends with very proud. New old - ends with art of drowning. Love'm both. New old was as good as it gets though. (Just my opinion on the AFI era breakdown.)
I don't care if the band basically wants to disown them now. Black Sails, All Hallows, and Drowning was an incredible run of releases for them and remain my favorite era of AFI.
I still consider Sing the Sorrow as the culmination of their punk years, with an amazing production value (like seriously. The production on that album is phenomenal). It is one of my favorite albums by anyone ever, but it was really the end of the great AFI. They weren't the same after
Saw them around the year 00 with rancid and the distillers. They started their set with fall children and the entire club went nuts. Absolutely insane energy emanating from Davey's vocals. Bands can grow and change, but that era was way too short lived.
@@HeavyAcademia It was! Definitely on a short list of best shows I have been too. The height of their power! I think that's what people are mostly upset about. Not that they changed, but that they changed so quickly once finding their pinnacle form. If we got another 5 years or so of that style from that era I think people wouldn't care about them eventually changing so much.
I got in trouble at school back in the day because i had an afi hoodie that had the word "hardcore" on it, and my teacher and principal kept insisting that it had to do with porn.
I had a similar experience with a Rage Against the Machine shirt. I had a flannel on over it even. A teacher looked at it and said "Rage. I don't like that what's on the back?" And made me take off my flannel and it had "It has to start somewhere, it has to start some time. What better place than here? What better time than now. All hell can't stop is now" and she lost it and senr me to the principal.
Leaving Berkeley for Los Angeles changed AFI.. Aging out of their 20s into their 30s and maturing did too. It was bound to happen. East Bay AFI Vs West Hollywood AFI Major difference. They have been the aforementioned era now longer than they were the band that built an underground fan base.
They're allowed to do what they want and change their sound. But that nitro era of black sails to art of drowning was just great music. They felt they were on a sinking ship being in the punk and hardcore scene but those albums were ahead of their time and hold up great to this day. It will forever be my favorite of their music.
To me its all a mixed bag, chronologically speaking it does seem like they tapped into something that only management would think it's popular at the time or rather they were projecting. "Punk rock is fading out time to do emo stuff, then other pop rock ... " list goes on. Skating fallen out at one point in the media too and almost feels like it was instant so they tapped out of that too also instant. Seems like it was just a job to them but who knows really maybe its just coincidence and like you say they are allowed to do whatever it's their project, at least I hope so. I don't mind it really because I liked some of their songs from all of their "eras" and wasnt really involved with them day one on each release but found out at random years after, I don't even remember where from since I dont remember seeing their stuff even on TV. I am from Europe and the closest place I got to them had to be MTV channels which I didnt had by 2000 onwards or perhaps one of those ALT Rock compilation CDs from MTV and other publishing is what rather exposed to this band. So their music was presented to me outside of mainstream media BS and agendas so I couldnt really react in that sense. If I liked something I liked it for the music then the singing or just the lyrics, I am definetly not one to judge what is going on in the moment because I am not in the moment, I find things at random. Thinking back some of their songs so differ in style that I thought these are different people completely but then again its not like its news to me, many creative people differ with their music and I can respect that. Heck even I made all sorts of music from techno, dnb, hiphop, dance, edm, metal, rock, punk, to whatever ... not because I was following scenes but following whatever I was in the mood for and in my book there is nothing wrong with that. But yeah a musical job is a job, especially back then if you are a touring band you are stuck with one thing for a long time, then eventually get a chance to do something else and if the shift is huge then prepare your fanbase to change too completely and many to be salty that their fanbase wonders what happened also many people not willing to invest into a band that changes styles like socks. So its all a mixed bag to me from a realistic point of view. I am pretty sure this band remained to operate and still does to this day, they are just in media silent mode, aka not that mainstream, doesnt mean they are gone forever. So the title "fall" in this video is quite a stretch ... Like I said prior, I found them not thanks to mainstream media but thanks to compilation CDs that I found in middle of nowhere visiting a small town in Europe. So I got the chance to buy their albums solely thanks to random shops and chance rather then exposure on radio or TV. It doesn't make a difference of what they are today. So the "fame" can be also just a meaningless word in some cases. "rise and fall" like what actual rise and fall I dont get it XD
Art of Drowning was the switch to more pop-oriented music. It makes sense to me though. They were seeing other bands achieve commercial success and getting older. Love the older and newer stuff.
@@rbalara31 I know, thanks for pointing this out. Just couldn’t resist the excellent footage. It’s a good representation of what their shows were like back then. Also, Showcase was legendary, it’s a shame that it’s gone!
I particularly really like AFI across their discography but across their discography I'd rather it equatorally informed their pursuit rather than 'standing' where they're 'technically' posited now - I think their whole history is valid and I don't want too much, that they stick exclusively to any precept they've established, but whatever they want to do I guess they haven't alienated me yet lol
I got introduced to afi through guitar hero 3 having miss murder, i wrote them off as a emo band from that era, im so glad i went back and listened to their back catalogue, because i absolutely fucking love their early work and have some of my favorite punk songs in general, i still like some of the newer stuff but its very apparent how much more energetic their early stuff is
Ive loved AFI since i saw them open for Good Riddance in 98. Im actual still a fan. Though admittedly the magic is mostly gone. Seeing them live through the late 90s and mid 2000s was a special time and those shows are burned into my memory. The 3 album run from AOD through STS is damn near perfect. They still bring it live in my opinion. I do think Burials was their last great album and better than anything else post STS. The only sad thing to me is that Davey seems embarrassed by their older work, even like 10 years ago. While actually, Bodies is the most embarrassing thing they've ever released
@@thrildmedia8798 Thank you! I agree about the name. Some of the band members have denied that’s what it stood for, but there’s evidence that it was their early name.
I grew up in the North Bay a bit south of Ukiah in Santa Rosa and before December Underground all the coolest punks had the East Bay Hardcore Panther patch on their backpacks and jackets and they all seemed to disappear overnight when DU came out. I hated all of that stuff too back then but have grown some appreciation for it. I mean I’d rather eat the the crusty couch cushion from a punk squat house then listen to Love Like Winter but some of it isn’t bad at all, and of their modern stuff Snowcats and Aurelia are on some playlists of mine.
Sing the Sorrow was the last decent album they released…you can even tell on the albums right before Sing The Sorrow that they were shifting in style, away from punk. Im not hating, I respect their choice. They still on occasions play File 13 and select older classics so they definitely acknowledge where they came from which is another thing I can respect. December Underground and all they’ve done afterward, it’s just not for me. But I won’t ever not love those early days man
Loved early AFI. Saw them in 2006 when Miss Murder had released, they were like a huge MTV band at this time. Weird experience, I wanted to watch them and like them but their recent material was just crap to me. Got a lot of dirty looks for loudly proclaiming to my girlfriend at the time that I just didn't like this band anymore lol. After seeing them in '06 I never really listened to them again and oh boy I'm glad I didn't because everything I've recently seen from them has been a clown show. Great video though, brings me back. Way better than anything that Finn McKenty goober ever put together.
3:37 Havok is wearing a Real Skate shirt. Hence they named themselves skate punk. Later in early 2000s I think Davey would rock Vision Streetwear skate shoes. Dude was totally into skating. I agree they have alwyas done their music with a unique twist like any great band.
@salinaember9527 madden 2004 also had AFI. My father played all the madden games and ncaa so I've heard all the punk bands I enjoyed and played with in them.
@@kevincollins8620 i occasionally played sports games, but not too much. checked a video game soundtrack site and theyve been featured in quite a lot of various titles. wouldve never known.
I heard somewhere that they always intended to change the sound, from the very beginning, which I believed. Cause personally, every few albums there's a noticeable difference. I def have a certain mood for Stay Fashionable, a different mood for Very Proud and Shut Your Mouth, mostly always down to listen to All Hollows and Black Sails and only liking certain songs from Drowning and Sorrow. ...I don't know about the rest, I was super not into any of it pretty quickly so Ive never given it much of a try lol. I don't begrudge any band for changing their sound tho. It happens so often. It's either that, or they break up. It kinda sucks either way. But at the end of the day, if a band makes good music, then I'll always listen to those songs. I don't get bored of good music. So to me, AFI will always be one of my all time favorite bands and I'll probably listen to them the whole rest of my life and I'm super glad and thankful they put out like what, 4 albums and an EP that are absolutely perfect, front to back. That's amazing! Now I'm all stoked on them, I think im gonna go listen to all those albums again! lolol
As a metal guy I don’t know much about the punk scene. I was in a pop punk band for a short time and so I began listening to punk that was recommended to me by the band to familiarize myself with the sound they were going for. Although the music was relatively easy to play I could tell right away I wasn’t right for the project. My playing style was to aggressive and too rooted in technique rather than attitude so the music took on a heavier and more technical direction that didn’t capture the essence of punk. I left the band and went on to join a tech death band that I was more suited to. Anyways metal heads often talk/joke about the magnitude of sub genres in metal and how people in the scene can’t agree what bands fit where within them. I see this is also the case in the punk scene. I was always told by people in my rather large local punk scene that AFI was a pop punk band. And when it comes to metal heads we have a different version of what hardcore means. For us hardcore is basically simple dumbed down, angry jock metal with a punk influence and an anti drug/alcohol ideology. Later hardcore developed into grind core then metal core then DeathCore and now symptomatic blackened DeathCore seems to rule the core scene. Personally I love seeing this evolution take place. I think categorizing bands can be very useful to help people discover new music but also has the negative effect of keeping bands and fans in boxes that prevent them from growing and appreciating music they might otherwise enjoy. I’m very much into prog metal which is very diverse and I also love some pop, hip hop, fusion, new wave, synth wave, classical, etc so I really am a person who loves a little bit of everything and sometimes everything all at once. For this reason one of my favorite artists is Devin Townsend, who over his career has released albums that could be categorized as punk, new age, extreme metal, pop, country, electronic, ambient and everything in between. Anyways for me a band staying the same year after year is almost the worst thing they can do. I don’t want five copies of the same album. I want bands to experiment and evolve. People grow and change and I want bands to do the same even of it means going in a direction that doesn’t capture me as a listener. Somewhere out there there’s an audience waiting for that new direction and I want that audience to find it.
I love this video. I have always wondered why they chose the musical path they did. Interviews with Davey always suggested he "got bored" writing the same music all the time. I also think they started to look so out out of place in their scene queen outfits, hunter and adam always look uncomfortable to me. I finally had the opportunity to see them a few years ago. The show was an uneven mix of kids like me and lots more of the "new" wave of kids that found them after STS. My brother and I had a lot of fun anyway. If time travel was a thing the 1st thing I would do is see this band in 99 at the showcase. That's my kind of show. Or at my old hang out, club Laga. I couldn't drive yet when they would come through. I miss those small venues....crowd surfing to the stage and singing a line with the band, just to stage dive back in the crowd. Good times. Afi will always be a huge part of my life and music I will always cherish and listen to, as long as its ATASF through AOD 🖤
Along with everything else Davey has grown more and more pretentious. But I honestly don't think Davey fully disconnected from punk. He wrote a book about it awhile back.
They were always going to end up being like this,listen to the lyrics in very proud of ya they were dark and depressing,just played to a fast punk beat.
Jade says he writes all the music then brings it to Davey to write lyrics. And then they bring in hunter and Adam to polish them up. So you can blame jade for there new music.
All this doesn’t make them look good. Wanting to distance themselves from the scene that brought them up. With that said, their early music is goes so damn hard and fast it’s hard not to see them as punk icons in my opening. That shit was and still is fire!
Loved their older stuff until sing the sorrow. Then it was more smiths sounding. I don't fault them for trying something different. I'm still a fan, just of their older sound.
Before AFI plenty of us were buying Nine Inch Nails Korn, Manson shirts there and Kappa shirts and accessories we didn't want to order from Hit Parader. I've been around Hot Topic when shirts were only Black or White and Medium was the smallest size.
the 1st 2 albums seem a bit too silly for me sometimes, 'shut your mouth..., all hallows and sing the sorrow are the ones that got frequent rotation for me... and later on, art of drowning (which i never got until some time later, even though "Wester" is my favorite song of theirs.) but anyways, Jade joining the band was the catalyst for the change in sound.... but i guess not everyone wants to do the same stuff forever.....
I'm honestly on board with pretty much every AFI release but The Blood Album and Bodies. Maaaan, I really dislike those. Surprisingly for a long time AFi enjoyer, I really like Crash Love. Seems very The Smiths influenced and I don't even like The Smiths lol.
Seemed weird and unnecessary when Davey became cher back in like '02 or '03. Then looking back and he was kinda in a Danzig mindspace just applied in his way
About 15 years ago I worked with an older welder who had a lot of tattoos and a beard (for context). He gave me a flash drive with 8gb of music. Metal, punk, rockabilly. I had a passing knowledge of AFI and I told him I listened to their older albums on the flash drive that I liked. I swear I'll never forget this he said, "Yeah.... they used to kick a lot of ass 'fore they got gay."
The “fall”? They’ve been doing music since 1991 😂 that’s 30 years of making and playing music, there’s tons of band who made it big and now can’t sell a small venue to stay alive. The day they can’t sell a show is the day you should say they “fell off”..
Afi from winter underground to shut your mouth open your eyes are my favorite years of afi I still like there first two albums but I couldn't see past Davey's high voice until shut your mouth now he's turned into Morrissey
In 98 or 99 they lost their guitarist Mark and got Jade Puget. Jade took on a more gothic style. That’s why Black Sails is so different than Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes (imo their best record they ever released). Imo I wish Mark never left and then Jade wouldn’t have ruined their style. Not saying Black Sails is bad, I like it a lot but Art of Drowning isn’t my fave. I think Sing the Sorrow was better but Decemberunderground was complete garbage. At that point I stopped buying their albums. Their old style was completely ruined at that point.
Well most of the people who were big fans, were fans before their popular songs ever came out. AFI was really popular in the punk scene in the late 90s, and were one of the most influential hardcore(ish) bands of all time
Art of Drowning was the switch to more pop-oriented music. It makes sense to me though. They were seeing other bands achieve commercial success and getting older. Love the older and newer stuff.
I miss old AFI
Maaan soo many of us do.
They were the shit man.
I do too but I’m not upset with the path they took as they are still and will always be an amazing band.
Yeah their Nitro albums are great. Art of Drowning isn’t my fave. It’s good but the first 3 records, I absolutely love. Some will say their first 2 aren’t good and they were finding their sound but I freaking love those. Their early 7”s are fun to listen to. I have all of them. All in all I think I own around 25 AFI records (7”s, 10”s, and 12”s).
Old old - ends with very proud. New old - ends with art of drowning. Love'm both. New old was as good as it gets though. (Just my opinion on the AFI era breakdown.)
I don't care if the band basically wants to disown them now. Black Sails, All Hallows, and Drowning was an incredible run of releases for them and remain my favorite era of AFI.
I still consider Sing the Sorrow as the culmination of their punk years, with an amazing production value (like seriously. The production on that album is phenomenal). It is one of my favorite albums by anyone ever, but it was really the end of the great AFI. They weren't the same after
Saw them around the year 00 with rancid and the distillers. They started their set with fall children and the entire club went nuts. Absolutely insane energy emanating from Davey's vocals. Bands can grow and change, but that era was way too short lived.
@@stillpist That was an amazing tour!
@@HeavyAcademia It was! Definitely on a short list of best shows I have been too. The height of their power! I think that's what people are mostly upset about. Not that they changed, but that they changed so quickly once finding their pinnacle form. If we got another 5 years or so of that style from that era I think people wouldn't care about them eventually changing so much.
Sing The Sorrow will always be my favorite. I love old AFI, but STS blends everything perfectly.
Black Sails in the Sunset is still bad to the bone. My favorite AFI album for sure.
Black Sails is such a good album
Wild = I prefer shut your mouth.
Hey that's us! Berzerk! Fury 66, Good Riddance and AFI etc. I made that flyer at Kinko's haha
I crashed at Furry 66's place back in the early/mid 90's then went to see them play. Can't thnk of the venue off hand.
@@Berzerk_pdx-ys6ky hell ya that’s awesome! I wish I was at that show!
I saw that tour in Houston
Sing the sorrow was an example of change being a good thing. December underground was an example of change not always being such a good thing.
Sails, Drowning, Sorrow, and DecemberUG together make up the greatest 4 record run in punk rock, imho
I remember the first time I heard miss murder...saw the video, and thought "Why is Davey a scene queen now? dudes 30"
he was going for bowie and freddy mercury..
Redemption 87...
I grew up loving AFI. They changed their sound and I kinda forgot about them. It would be boring to stay the same though.
I got in trouble at school back in the day because i had an afi hoodie that had the word "hardcore" on it, and my teacher and principal kept insisting that it had to do with porn.
😂 were they wrong though?!
I had a similar experience with a Rage Against the Machine shirt. I had a flannel on over it even. A teacher looked at it and said "Rage. I don't like that what's on the back?" And made me take off my flannel and it had "It has to start somewhere, it has to start some time. What better place than here? What better time than now. All hell can't stop is now" and she lost it and senr me to the principal.
Raise your hand if you saw Davey Havok walking around Warped Tour with his umbrel... excuse me... parasol.
I really liked Son of Sam.
Leaving Berkeley for Los Angeles changed AFI..
Aging out of their 20s into their 30s and maturing did too. It was bound to happen.
East Bay AFI
Vs
West Hollywood AFI
Major difference. They have been the aforementioned era now longer than they were the band that built an underground fan base.
They can and should make whatever music makes them happy but I’m very grateful I got to see them in the 90s.
They're allowed to do what they want and change their sound. But that nitro era of black sails to art of drowning was just great music. They felt they were on a sinking ship being in the punk and hardcore scene but those albums were ahead of their time and hold up great to this day. It will forever be my favorite of their music.
To me its all a mixed bag, chronologically speaking it does seem like they tapped into something that only management would think it's popular at the time or rather they were projecting. "Punk rock is fading out time to do emo stuff, then other pop rock ... " list goes on. Skating fallen out at one point in the media too and almost feels like it was instant so they tapped out of that too also instant. Seems like it was just a job to them but who knows really maybe its just coincidence and like you say they are allowed to do whatever it's their project, at least I hope so.
I don't mind it really because I liked some of their songs from all of their "eras" and wasnt really involved with them day one on each release but found out at random years after, I don't even remember where from since I dont remember seeing their stuff even on TV.
I am from Europe and the closest place I got to them had to be MTV channels which I didnt had by 2000 onwards or perhaps one of those ALT Rock compilation CDs from MTV and other publishing is what rather exposed to this band.
So their music was presented to me outside of mainstream media BS and agendas so I couldnt really react in that sense. If I liked something I liked it for the music then the singing or just the lyrics, I am definetly not one to judge what is going on in the moment because I am not in the moment, I find things at random.
Thinking back some of their songs so differ in style that I thought these are different people completely but then again its not like its news to me, many creative people differ with their music and I can respect that.
Heck even I made all sorts of music from techno, dnb, hiphop, dance, edm, metal, rock, punk, to whatever ... not because I was following scenes but following whatever I was in the mood for and in my book there is nothing wrong with that.
But yeah a musical job is a job, especially back then if you are a touring band you are stuck with one thing for a long time, then eventually get a chance to do something else and if the shift is huge then prepare your fanbase to change too completely and many to be salty that their fanbase wonders what happened also many people not willing to invest into a band that changes styles like socks. So its all a mixed bag to me from a realistic point of view.
I am pretty sure this band remained to operate and still does to this day, they are just in media silent mode, aka not that mainstream, doesnt mean they are gone forever. So the title "fall" in this video is quite a stretch ...
Like I said prior, I found them not thanks to mainstream media but thanks to compilation CDs that I found in middle of nowhere visiting a small town in Europe. So I got the chance to buy their albums solely thanks to random shops and chance rather then exposure on radio or TV. It doesn't make a difference of what they are today.
So the "fame" can be also just a meaningless word in some cases. "rise and fall" like what actual rise and fall I dont get it XD
Those first four albums were so incredibly awesome
Art of Drowning was the switch to more pop-oriented music. It makes sense to me though. They were seeing other bands achieve commercial success and getting older. Love the older and newer stuff.
At 5:04 when you said in and around Gilman st., the video was from the Showcase Theater in Corona, Southern Ca. Just an FYI
@@rbalara31 I know, thanks for pointing this out. Just couldn’t resist the excellent footage. It’s a good representation of what their shows were like back then. Also, Showcase was legendary, it’s a shame that it’s gone!
@HeavyAcademia Agree! A legendary venue that so many bands went through, including my shitty band! Lol
@ That’s rad! Not many people can say that…
Good documentary on Showcase.
I particularly really like AFI across their discography but across their discography I'd rather it equatorally informed their pursuit rather than 'standing' where they're 'technically' posited now - I think their whole history is valid and I don't want too much, that they stick exclusively to any precept they've established, but whatever they want to do I guess they haven't alienated me yet lol
Black Sails is by far my favorite AFI album
People grow up and change, their old stuff is amazing, their new stuff is also amazing. Stop living in pause
Grow up and come out.
I got introduced to afi through guitar hero 3 having miss murder, i wrote them off as a emo band from that era, im so glad i went back and listened to their back catalogue, because i absolutely fucking love their early work and have some of my favorite punk songs in general, i still like some of the newer stuff but its very apparent how much more energetic their early stuff is
Ive loved AFI since i saw them open for Good Riddance in 98. Im actual still a fan. Though admittedly the magic is mostly gone. Seeing them live through the late 90s and mid 2000s was a special time and those shows are burned into my memory. The 3 album run from AOD through STS is damn near perfect. They still bring it live in my opinion. I do think Burials was their last great album and better than anything else post STS. The only sad thing to me is that Davey seems embarrassed by their older work, even like 10 years ago. While actually, Bodies is the most embarrassing thing they've ever released
Asking For It is such a good HC band name. IDK how I never knew the original name. Good vid!
@@thrildmedia8798 Thank you! I agree about the name. Some of the band members have denied that’s what it stood for, but there’s evidence that it was their early name.
Their name also meant “Anthems For Insubordinates” at some point with the main evidence being their old publishing label being called this
Sing the sorrow is a great album.
East Bay Hard Core... now that's a name i haven't heard in a long time.
Art of Drowning was the last album i really liked by AFI, but damn was that a good run of 3 or 4 albums up to that point!
I grew up in the North Bay a bit south of Ukiah in Santa Rosa and before December Underground all the coolest punks had the East Bay Hardcore Panther patch on their backpacks and jackets and they all seemed to disappear overnight when DU came out. I hated all of that stuff too back then but have grown some appreciation for it. I mean I’d rather eat the the crusty couch cushion from a punk squat house then listen to Love Like Winter but some of it isn’t bad at all, and of their modern stuff Snowcats and Aurelia are on some playlists of mine.
Sing the Sorrow was the last decent album they released…you can even tell on the albums right before Sing The Sorrow that they were shifting in style, away from punk. Im not hating, I respect their choice. They still on occasions play File 13 and select older classics so they definitely acknowledge where they came from which is another thing I can respect. December Underground and all they’ve done afterward, it’s just not for me. But I won’t ever not love those early days man
Loved early AFI. Saw them in 2006 when Miss Murder had released, they were like a huge MTV band at this time. Weird experience, I wanted to watch them and like them but their recent material was just crap to me. Got a lot of dirty looks for loudly proclaiming to my girlfriend at the time that I just didn't like this band anymore lol. After seeing them in '06 I never really listened to them again and oh boy I'm glad I didn't because everything I've recently seen from them has been a clown show. Great video though, brings me back. Way better than anything that Finn McKenty goober ever put together.
@@Nathan-k1t1q I feel you! That’s around the time they started becoming unrecognizable…
Great retrospective look at a highly influential band.
Awesome video my dude 🙌
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Solid work!
Very proud of you = masterpiece!!
Amen
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Love afi thanks for the video
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Awesome informative video
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3:37 Havok is wearing a Real Skate shirt. Hence they named themselves skate punk. Later in early 2000s I think Davey would rock Vision Streetwear skate shoes. Dude was totally into skating. I agree they have alwyas done their music with a unique twist like any great band.
i mean, their song the boy who destroyed the world was also featured in tony hawks pro skater 3
@salinaember9527 and ESPN snowboarding 2
@@kevincollins8620 didnt even know that lol. wester of all songs too. also, nfl madden 07 - summer shudder.
@salinaember9527 madden 2004 also had AFI. My father played all the madden games and ncaa so I've heard all the punk bands I enjoyed and played with in them.
@@kevincollins8620 i occasionally played sports games, but not too much. checked a video game soundtrack site and theyve been featured in quite a lot of various titles. wouldve never known.
Good vid!
I heard somewhere that they always intended to change the sound, from the very beginning, which I believed. Cause personally, every few albums there's a noticeable difference. I def have a certain mood for Stay Fashionable, a different mood for Very Proud and Shut Your Mouth, mostly always down to listen to All Hollows and Black Sails and only liking certain songs from Drowning and Sorrow.
...I don't know about the rest, I was super not into any of it pretty quickly so Ive never given it much of a try lol. I don't begrudge any band for changing their sound tho. It happens so often. It's either that, or they break up. It kinda sucks either way. But at the end of the day, if a band makes good music, then I'll always listen to those songs. I don't get bored of good music. So to me, AFI will always be one of my all time favorite bands and I'll probably listen to them the whole rest of my life and I'm super glad and thankful they put out like what, 4 albums and an EP that are absolutely perfect, front to back. That's amazing! Now I'm all stoked on them, I think im gonna go listen to all those albums again! lolol
Art of drowning was my introduction via a sample cd at warped tour
As a metal guy I don’t know much about the punk scene. I was in a pop punk band for a short time and so I began listening to punk that was recommended to me by the band to familiarize myself with the sound they were going for. Although the music was relatively easy to play I could tell right away I wasn’t right for the project. My playing style was to aggressive and too rooted in technique rather than attitude so the music took on a heavier and more technical direction that didn’t capture the essence of punk. I left the band and went on to join a tech death band that I was more suited to. Anyways metal heads often talk/joke about the magnitude of sub genres in metal and how people in the scene can’t agree what bands fit where within them. I see this is also the case in the punk scene. I was always told by people in my rather large local punk scene that AFI was a pop punk band. And when it comes to metal heads we have a different version of what hardcore means. For us hardcore is basically simple dumbed down, angry jock metal with a punk influence and an anti drug/alcohol ideology. Later hardcore developed into grind core then metal core then DeathCore and now symptomatic blackened DeathCore seems to rule the core scene. Personally I love seeing this evolution take place.
I think categorizing bands can be very useful to help people discover new music but also has the negative effect of keeping bands and fans in boxes that prevent them from growing and appreciating music they might otherwise enjoy. I’m very much into prog metal which is very diverse and I also love some pop, hip hop, fusion, new wave, synth wave, classical, etc so I really am a person who loves a little bit of everything and sometimes everything all at once. For this reason one of my favorite artists is Devin Townsend, who over his career has released albums that could be categorized as punk, new age, extreme metal, pop, country, electronic, ambient and everything in between. Anyways for me a band staying the same year after year is almost the worst thing they can do. I don’t want five copies of the same album. I want bands to experiment and evolve. People grow and change and I want bands to do the same even of it means going in a direction that doesn’t capture me as a listener. Somewhere out there there’s an audience waiting for that new direction and I want that audience to find it.
Used to hate AFI. Then i listened to Very Proud of Ya while rolling balls and became a legit fan
I love this video. I have always wondered why they chose the musical path they did. Interviews with Davey always suggested he "got bored" writing the same music all the time. I also think they started to look so out out of place in their scene queen outfits, hunter and adam always look uncomfortable to me. I finally had the opportunity to see them a few years ago. The show was an uneven mix of kids like me and lots more of the "new" wave of kids that found them after STS. My brother and I had a lot of fun anyway. If time travel was a thing the 1st thing I would do is see this band in 99 at the showcase. That's my kind of show. Or at my old hang out, club Laga. I couldn't drive yet when they would come through. I miss those small venues....crowd surfing to the stage and singing a line with the band, just to stage dive back in the crowd. Good times. Afi will always be a huge part of my life and music I will always cherish and listen to, as long as its ATASF through AOD 🖤
Good shit, feel like you were just getting warmed up
Along with everything else Davey has grown more and more pretentious. But I honestly don't think Davey fully disconnected from punk. He wrote a book about it awhile back.
@5:50 live footage from the Fireside Bowl in chicago. Nice
Great video. Subbed.
Hell ya, much appreciated!
They were always going to end up being like this,listen to the lyrics in very proud of ya they were dark and depressing,just played to a fast punk beat.
Jade says he writes all the music then brings it to Davey to write lyrics. And then they bring in hunter and Adam to polish them up. So you can blame jade for there new music.
3 of 4 could try but maybe faux anger isnt timeless
He sounds like a goober
All this doesn’t make them look good. Wanting to distance themselves from the scene that brought them up. With that said, their early music is goes so damn hard and fast it’s hard not to see them as punk icons in my opening. That shit was and still is fire!
Loved their older stuff until sing the sorrow. Then it was more smiths sounding. I don't fault them for trying something different. I'm still a fan, just of their older sound.
I saw AFI when Very Proud of ya came out and they blew me away,they were so good at playing Punk/Hardcore but they got bitten by the mainstream
Afi is the main reason hot topic is so successful lol
20 years ago
Before AFI plenty of us were buying Nine Inch Nails Korn, Manson shirts there and Kappa shirts and accessories we didn't want to order from Hit Parader. I've been around Hot Topic when shirts were only Black or White and Medium was the smallest size.
the 1st 2 albums seem a bit too silly for me sometimes, 'shut your mouth..., all hallows and sing the sorrow are the ones that got frequent rotation for me... and later on, art of drowning (which i never got until some time later, even though "Wester" is my favorite song of theirs.) but anyways, Jade joining the band was the catalyst for the change in sound.... but i guess not everyone wants to do the same stuff forever.....
@@mrNobody100 That’s a great point! It seems a lot of bands get bored with doing the same thing over and over again.
They never fell.
They fell hard and fast. They are still falling to this very day.
I'm honestly on board with pretty much every AFI release but The Blood Album and Bodies. Maaaan, I really dislike those. Surprisingly for a long time AFi enjoyer, I really like Crash Love. Seems very The Smiths influenced and I don't even like The Smiths lol.
Crash love is fantastic.
Everything up to Blood im a fan of. Bodies is terrible
Everything went to shit past December Underground 😢😢😢
Crash Love is okay.
Burials is great. Better than DU imo.
It's called being artistic kids that grew up into artistic adults. They arent going to keep playing the same type of music after 30 years.
i was at that warped tour 01
Seemed weird and unnecessary when Davey became cher back in like '02 or '03. Then looking back and he was kinda in a Danzig mindspace just applied in his way
Need more Son of Sam than anything else
Dude died
SYMAOYE is my favorite I think
Smashhhhhhherrrrrrrrrr. MEMORIES DULL MY SENSES
The Days Of The Phoenix was the last solid song I thought they made prior to the big change
im still gonna call them a punk/hardcore band lol
Everyone moves on. Oh and we're all posers
No we're not. You clearly are.
Jade in loose change.
About 15 years ago I worked with an older welder who had a lot of tattoos and a beard (for context). He gave me a flash drive with 8gb of music. Metal, punk, rockabilly. I had a passing knowledge of AFI and I told him I listened to their older albums on the flash drive that I liked. I swear I'll never forget this he said, "Yeah.... they used to kick a lot of ass 'fore they got gay."
The “fall”? They’ve been doing music since 1991 😂 that’s 30 years of making and playing music, there’s tons of band who made it big and now can’t sell a small venue to stay alive. The day they can’t sell a show is the day you should say they “fell off”..
The title says the fall of East Bay hardcore AFI, meaning the fall of that era
Afi did fall off. They haven't made a good song since 2003.
@ 😂 the following album sounds a lot like the 2003 album 😂
Fall? 😂😂😂
10:22 it’s pronounced “saw-win” brah
I hate what they turned into 😞. They betrayed us.
This band used to be pretty good. Loved them and the other nitro bands back in high school. Turned out they were just a bunch of posers.
Hate to break it to ya, but we are all posers
Who would you consider legit?
@@HumanTimeCapsule i hope he says GG Allin
There's AFI and there's gAFI.
so they just try hard. got it.
Afi from winter underground to shut your mouth open your eyes are my favorite years of afi I still like there first two albums but I couldn't see past Davey's high voice until shut your mouth now he's turned into Morrissey
Noooo thank you but to each there own
In 98 or 99 they lost their guitarist Mark and got Jade Puget. Jade took on a more gothic style. That’s why Black Sails is so different than Shut Your Mouth And Open Your Eyes (imo their best record they ever released). Imo I wish Mark never left and then Jade wouldn’t have ruined their style. Not saying Black Sails is bad, I like it a lot but Art of Drowning isn’t my fave. I think Sing the Sorrow was better but Decemberunderground was complete garbage. At that point I stopped buying their albums. Their old style was completely ruined at that point.
BRO DOESNT UNDERSTAND SARCASM
I just think it’s funny how everyone pretends like they were so into AFI. They like had like 2 popular
Songs that was basically it.
Well most of the people who were big fans, were fans before their popular songs ever came out. AFI was really popular in the punk scene in the late 90s, and were one of the most influential hardcore(ish) bands of all time
I saw the first time at gillman
Ukiah wya! Nowhere? Ok I figured….
Art of Drowning was the switch to more pop-oriented music. It makes sense to me though. They were seeing other bands achieve commercial success and getting older. Love the older and newer stuff.
The switch seemed more gradual to me. I really liked their evolution even into the poppy stuff. It seemed natural to me.