Same here, just paused thunderf00t's video to add my support to your video. If the sender of the legal threat was genuine, that's absolutely disgusting behaviour from Lomi/Pela.
I really hope you get way more subscribers. Your message of rejecting capitalist consumer culture is something that I think is one of if not the most important topics of our time. We live in a very strange world, it's like people are addicted to being addicted. Always have to have the latest gadget or whatever. I'm so tired of it. It's truly great to hear someone that is well spoken address the problem _and_ have at least some workable solutions. Just keep being you, and don't let the bastards get you down.
"Capitalist consumer culture" is not bad. I was born under socialism. Why do you think people are fleeing from it to capitalist countries? The problem is that the West is driven by capitalism anymore. California is almost Bolshevism, with central planning, big government, etc. Now corporations are replacing countries, they're just a little more effective. But this is not the fault of capitalism, but the lack of it.
Seriously. It seems that most of North America is under this spell of just throwing money at whatever seems convenient but forget the convenience of not needing to own a car, or to clear a pool, or to mow a lawn...
I can't afford an electric kitchen composter and after watching this video I don't want one. Im going to look into bokashi (I'm in an apartment). Thank you for the video
The Lomi ad has been following me around too and I can’t find a way to tell them (or Google) that I’ll never buy that useless gadget! It’s not compost, just chopped up desiccated food. DIY worm bins are a great alternative for small urban spaces. I’m still working with the progeny of my original worm bin 12 years later!
As a disabled person who also has intense executive functioning challenges, the Lomi has been a life-saver for me and my family. I agree that it's not a save-the-world solution, but I absolutely love my Lomi and the fact that I can make useful compost instead of toxic sludge on my counter now.
I actually was going to have the same comment for having a dishwasher. It's amazing for people who have arthritis or tremors, though unfortunately many who could actually benefit from one don't have the funds for one or a residence with one. I think the Lomi "could" fit a scenario for a disabled person, anyone with physical/cognitive limitations or if they live in an urban place like NYC (where I am from) where worm bins can be an ongoing battle because pests are a plenty. But I agree that it's a lot and its not something everyone should go for. I also hate their recurring need of purchase of pods and filters. I think the Lomi can* be a part of a larger strategy if used carefully for the right people in helping move towards a more sustainable world. Because the problem I see right now with sustainable practices is that there needs to be more guidance and teaching for the public AND many practices now are not actually accessible. I know a few people who have chronic illness and many "green" best practices are mentally and physically taxing to the point of their health being at risk.
The thing is with Lomi and other things is that they are not targeting people like us. They're targeting people with money, disposable income, and folks that DO NOT do much to reduce their waste. I feel like, yes this is a strange luxury product, but if it helps divert food from landfill from folks that would literally not ever do it otherwise, maybe it's a positive thing? Currently a lot of condo buildings do not encourage nor offer green bin projects (which hopefully changes soon but feel hopeless with our provincial government)
I keep getting the ads for this counter composter also, usually targeted to me I guess because I watch a lot of gardening and how to compost videos. Thank you for this video
I was thinking about buying the Lomi, but had some questions. And I ran into your video. I found the 1st minutes tantalizing. You are an absolute genius. How you pinned down what sustainability means and how creating technology that is designed to need replacements can't be sustainable was amazing. The highway to sustainability is not spending 600 dollars in a tower to grow lettuce... So obviously true, but I admit I was also about to fall into it. You are the best!
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I made a comment on social media to this effect when I started getting ads for this product and people really came for me. I was so confused why everyone was defending this product. I completely agree with what you're saying in this video. Thank you for being the voice of reason and having the courage to put it out there :) (I vermicomposted in a rubbermaid bin under my counter when I lived in university residence and then in apartments and it worked great.)
Several years ago I encouraged a rich friend to take her paper towel roll out to the compost instead of putting it in the trash. Her response? "I bought a Prius, isn't that enough?" My eyes rolled loudly.
I liked learning about green washing, it was well explained in the video, and she made a good point about the product not being sustainable because it is costly, requires materials to manufacture, requires shipping, and will likely end up as junk somewhere. I never thought the machine was a good idea, all it does is use energy to desiccate the food, and then they tell you to add it to a compost heap anyway, or to just throw it in the bin if there is nowhere else for you to put it. So I don't understand why anyone would pay money to have a large device take up space on the kitchen counter top, only to go through a rather pointless process before discarding it as waste anyhow. It uses electricity to process the material, it is time consuming to go through the process, and it fills the house with a smell. It doesn't make sense why anyone would buy it. But I was not aware of the green washing marketing ploy from the entrepreneurs who don't really care about sustainability. It is a good idea to tell people about that.
I was searching "best home composter", the first video was about Lomi. I was like, no way I will use an electronic appliance to make compost. I am so happy to have find your video.
Great video, my girlfriend was almost ready to buy one of these for us and I talked her out of it. We live where it is very, very cold outside for eight months of the year where anything we put outside freezes and we also live in Bear country. Limited space in the house forcomposting very well, but we’re going to try anything but buying one of these devices. Thank you.
I have a compost system made of three wooden pallets (free) and a 24" long compost thermometer ($25) that isn't really necessary. It might not be for every situation, but I'll be hard pressed to think any of these devices (countertop grinders, tumblers) do for hundreds of dollars better than what Gomer (pile) does for next to nothing. This is really timely; a couple of days ago a friend was asking my opinion on Lomi and I think my disenchanted answer wasn't what he was hoping for. It might make compost precursor, but in 24 hours it isn't compost. And composting that relies on running electricity 24 hrs at a time is pretty antithetical to what we're trying to do to begin with!
Thanks for the video. I’ve tried bokashi, I had 2 bins but eventually stopped because I don’t have a garden to bury the fermented end product, and it’s too much to go on the pot plants.😢
Everyone from Thunderfoot watch the video and then watch it again on 0.25x speed on mute this will increase the watch time and increase this video's reach.
Dishwashers are only considered something that conserves water compared to just leaving the water running while washing by hand. So if you're keeping up on your dishes before they need to be soaked them your probably using less water.
I used to believe that, until I measured how much water I was using while handwashing, vs a dishwasher. (I suggest measuring how much you use, and look at overall efficiency per dishes washed.) Dishwasher was worse if I were to wash daily (which did not fill my dishwasher). If I do dishes every second day, dishwasher uses less water than daily handwashing. My dishwasher uses 12l for the default "Eco" mode, and being outside of the US, it is not a dishwasher which grinds food waste up, not sure how common those are in the US though. My monthly water usage dropped after getting a dishwasher, granted, only my one anecdotal experience, but I think it is a situation specific result. The efficiency of a dishwasher greatly depends on the model, and chosen cycle, with some older ones using scary amounts of water, and electricity. I'm no stranger to water scarcity, having lived through droughts where the only supply was our stored rainwater. Accidentally flushing the toilet once instead of leaving liquids in the bowel until the next solid obliterates any potential hand vs dishwasher savings.
If you run a tap for more than 2 minutes, you're using more water than a modern dishwasher... Which can wash 12 place settings even with caked on food. There's literally no way a person washing their dishes uses less water and energy, especially if your dishwasher is being fed cold water and has its own heating element . Singles who live alone would probably be better off hand washing, as they're unable to adequately fill a dishwasher, but then... Small dishwashers exist which in turn use even less water. Dishwashers, like refrigeration, is a technology we can use to help reduce waste and live more sustainably. Now if we didn't have a capitalist system that makes garbage appliances that die fast, we could all benefit from appliances that ACTUALLY improve our livelihoods and our environment in the long term.
These ads have been showing up on my feed a lot lately. I was even feeling the tug of trying to save up for one since I live in an upstairs apartment with a balcony. While I definitely prefer your videos where I get to see your beautiful garden, I really appreciate your voice, perspective, and knowledge! Thanks for posting this.
I got a lot ads about compost bag. Not gonna buy those expensive ones. I used several container to compost. Big clay pot, partly buried reused container, composting in situ using trench, and big water thorn with hole on the bottom to take finished compost and harvest the liquid. In tropic, composting is faster, we need to replenish the nutrient which got flushed in heavy rain. I am still trying to worm compost, no time to spare though.
Glad you called this out. There are so many options that use the power of life, from bacteria to worms to insect larva to chickens, yet some folks are so squeamish about life that they'd rather have a plastic gadget they'll throw away in a few years.
The marketing is so mind blowing. One could still over consume things that are labeled sustainable. I received the same ad. I rolled my eyes. I put my food scraps in a large old yogurt container until I put the items in an old storage tote (which cost me $5). Both work fine. You called it!
This video has done more for the planet than the entire Lomi company because I think I am going to do a worm bin in the garage. You can take my dishwasher from my cold dead hands though!
I’ll share that I use bokashi to handle our waste (2 people in an apartment). We don’t have any land/soil to dig the finished pre-compost into and I tried using the “sharewaste” app to find someone who would accept it but there’s no one near us. So we now have a “soil factory” which I process the bokashi in, a 20L storage container with a lid which I filled with compost and the processed bokashi. I started the soil factory 2 months ago and just filled it up with the most recent fermented bokashi bucket. When I dug through I was surprised to find loads of worms in my soil factory! they must have come from the compost I added. There were babies, cocoons and mature red wigglers. So I have a kind of accidental 2-in-1 approach.
It does not create compost. It cuts and dehydrates materia. lt does this using A LOT of electricity, making it REALLY bad in environmental light. (several hundred kW during operation iirc) It also promises to reduce smelly compost bins, but the hot kitchen scraps do make your kitchen smelly as the water is steamed off... What they suggest you do with the dehydrated scraps when you're done? "Um, just throw it in the bio waste bin?" Which you could have done in the first place!!! there is no need* for this device, it does not solve any of the problems it claims to solve, it costs a lot, and uses a lot of electricity. The only thing I could think of using this for is to preserve kitchen scraps to be used as chicken fodder in winter.
Good point. I would generalize it still further, though: any messages that seem to suggest a way out of our ecological crises that does not require collective action are problematic, full stop. And even a lot of the "individual solutions" themselves are only really feasible at scale given changes in social preconditions that will require collective struggles to bring about
Totally completely agree with you. It perpetuates the fallacy that it’s individuals who are responsible for environmental devastation and we don’t need to hold corporations accountable or craft policies to protect people and the planet. Thanks for bringing that up!
I did a shout out in my community... looking for someone that has a compost in their yard. I live in a very strict HOA driven townhouse complex. So I drive to the other end of the town and go in someones back yard. I give her $10 each spring/summer. for worms. The dirt is beautiful! She got the compost box as a mothers day. gift. I've been helping to educate her on it. Can't wait to move to Florida.. to a house where I can do this MYSELF!
Awesome. Now I lack the ability to comprehend a written sentence. I am enthralled by the opportunity I have to learn morality, the evils of our society, and how I am a part of it's failures @@ParkrosePermaculture
I've been getting those ads too. I decided to look at it to understand what is being offered. First thing I noticed, was they don't seem to want to talk about how much energy is used during the process. That is a giant red flag, if their website doesn't seem to give out energy usage info, or makes it hard to find. Reading the one and 2 star reviews, its huge, heavy, noisy, and creates burnt smelling gunk. Unfortunately they are sold out through May. How much better might our situation be if pre high school science was filled with how to make a worm bin and what is Bokashi type subjects.
@@BronsteinEmily That was my first thought, but with a worm bin, if set up for it would offer all sorts of training in observational skills like following how long it takes the worms to eat what, layering different materials and watching how the worms favor different materials. There are a lot of possibilities and it would create lifelong understanding of how to manage compostables.
Angela, thanks for the information. I take our kitchen scraps to my big compost bins daily. I think I will consider worm bin. Do you have a video on how to start and maintain a worm bin?
Yes, but the machine had to be produced and used up steel, plastic and power and still needs power to run every time And has to be recycled (hopefully) at the end of its time. But nevertheless I would never not have a dishwasher- it saves water, detergent, power, my dry skin and most of all: time. This lomi machine does neither save money nor power nor space and does not even produce proper compost.
I agree. I was against a dishwasher for a long time but after a lot of research, I found a small model that it uses FAR less water than hand washing (especially the way my partner washes dishes, which is probably closer to a 'normal person' vs me who conserves consciously) and actually uses a tiny bit of electricity, which we run off peak for savings, and we only run it 100% full. We use grey water safe soap. Honestly it's saved us a lot of money on our water bill so I feel good about the reduction of water.
Not if you use a dishpan and then use the water to water your plants :). I’m not anti dishwasher, but they are one more appliance to maintain and that wears out and ends up in the dump eventually.
@@ParkrosePermaculture totally, I get that and that's how I wash dishes. unfortunately, the other main dish washer in my house does not do it like that, so for us the machine dishwasher is a compromise and actually saves us water/money etc. I do have a dishpan to collect water that goes into the sink from random hand washing and washing hands etc and that waters our plants :)
Very good presentation. Having recently gone from a household of 4 to living alone I have been considering how I will continue composting, I produce very little waste but strive to keep as much as possible out of the landfill. I have done some research on bokashi and it seems like the best method for me.
Solar panels are almost in the same category as they are not recycable anduse lots of rare materials. I found that worm bin gets flying incects,so it doesn't work inside, for sure not apartment.
Going solar is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. Ever look into how much energy is expended in manufacturing a solar panel? You might be surprised. Look at the whole energy budget, starting with getting the materials out of the ground, refining them, running the electric furnaces that make the "logs" from which the wafers are cut.........
I was ranting about this product a couple of weeks ago. As far as I've been able to tell, it's a kitchen waste processor, not a composter. It seems to produce ground up, desiccated material that absolutely is not compost. Compost is a biologically rich material that's teeming with life. This is anything but.
Good morning. I recently watched your video where you spoke against greenwashing gimmicks like electric composters. I was planning to buy one, but your video made me reconsider. I am now thinking of going back to Bokashi composting. I would appreciate it if you could make a video about Bokashi composting. I want to learn more about what you do. Take care.
I very much so understand your point and I agree. I do however think it is. possible these compositors may be better than the alternative of just throwing food waste out. I really do. care. for the environment but I simply do not have enough time to take care of a worm bin or bocashi so it is either an electric composter or the trash can. Do you have any thoughts? I am not a scammer and really do want to do the right thing here.
there's a huge difference between individuals making the best choice they can within a flawed system and a company selling a plastic product claiming it "helps save the earth" when it does no such thing. I don't know the math on whether the environmental impact of using one of these composters, with all of the resources it consumes - in the manufacture, marketing, packaging, shipping, use, and eventual disposal in the dump - would cancel out the environmental benefit of putting fewer food scraps in the trash. I'd say, personally, how many hours it takes me to earn $500 and then to pay for the electricity of one of these machines...how many hours do I have to spend working to pay for this gadget v how many hours do I spend on my worm bin? Everything takes time. Worm bin takes an hour once every six months to empty out...it would take years to make one of these devices more time-conserving than that. Just some perspective.
I really want to have a conversation about the use case of making chicken food. Chunky wet food scraps are not optimal as chicken feed and if you feed chickens egg shells without baking and crushing them then they learn to break eggs and that isn't good. So a device which efficiently heats and chops food waste seems extremely useful to me.
Your work is an inspiration. Will subscribe because I wish I could be more eco-friendly and I know the proper way has no shortcuts and no green-washed products can replace proper technique. Thank you!
I use red wigglers for composting...they are freaking amazing. I use is my $9.00 food chopper to cut up their scraps,etc. If that fails..I will use my awesome Ulu knife. I am slowly moving and weaning myself off of electric gadgets. I still have a couple of multipurpose appliances, but they are few. This is my effort to be proactive, in the event we have no electricity. My goal is to be off the grid as much as possible.
That totally depends on your city/ county and what kind of composting systems they have- though mostly only stuff like scrap meat or non organic lemon scrap are excluded from certain compost facilities, your apple peel and bread rinds are fine.
most Ontario municipalities take all kitchen scraps, compostable things (soiled papers, etc etc) in a green bin program. it's not the same as yard waste pick up and many places don't pick up yard waste (I agree, it's silly to bag up and transfer leaves that can just decompose in place)
Portland, OR did a pilot project on including kitchen food waste in the "green bin" along w/ plant material. It was hugely successful and diverted something like 25,000 tons of food waste from landfills. Every home got a free countertop compost bin to collect food scraps. I'm not sure how many other major cities allow it, though.
Bokashi is amazing! It can be done diy with a bucket from restaurants and rice wash water. It is all here on youtube. The benefits of bokashi are numerous and the soil improved so the bed result is a bigger yield.
Seen you were mentioned in a Thunderf00t video. You definitely earned a subscriber. I quit eating meat 4 or so years ago, because I felt like a hypocrite talking to others about Climate Change and livestock emissions when I'm stuffing my face with beef, so I'm certainly interested in ways I can further contribute to sustainability culture. I look forward to learning more from you :)
I can get the same results as a lomi, or electronic "composter" using my dehydrator which I already own and a coffee grinder I already own. Glad I never bought one.. on a side note I ditched my dishwasher after the second time it leaked n caused water damage to the house.
I would really love to have a worm compost bin, but I’ve already got fungus gnats in my plants inside. No outdoor space except a full sun community garden patch that I think will get too hot in summer. Any way I can avoid it becoming a fungus gnat nursery?
You could throw a bug net over it. I don’t have a bug net, so I just use an old bed sheet. My worm bin is inside. Planning to build an in-garden worm bin in my raised beds this year. I live in a temperate climate.
There's a nematode treatment available to organically get rid of fungal gnats in your house plants. Have heard it's v effective. My worm bin is outside, I''m not sure if it would attract fungal gnats indoors. It has a lid so wonder if they would get in or not.
one of our worm bins had black soldier flies overtake it for a while.. my understanding is that they are less efficient and make good feed g but not great compost, but they are also very flexible with what you can give them
I live in a small apartment and have no municipal compost, no space for a worm bin, and have tried bokashi for a couple of years now. There is nothing to do with it when I am done. I list it online for free, I knoe lots of peoole with yards, and nobody will take it. Mine always goes bad and smells horrible. I finally got a Lomi. It is my only option.
In Portland municipal composting to apartments and condominiums is not available. I take my kitchen food scraps to my sister's house as she has yard debris/compost bin. Win-win!
The lomi is totally a silicone valley-adjacent money grab and like the perspective and info but dishwashers literally use less water than hand washing, and uses less energy when accounting for the energy to heat water. Also where are these places with municipal composting?? Bc ive only ever had this experience in NYC proper, not in NJ or Texas (but there are some nice co-ops in certain urban areas with municipal style system). I would like to know your perspective on the vitamix foodcycler, as it doesnt have disposables, and would have a long lifespan (being a vitamix)! Great video & message overall but it sounds like some finer details are missing?
I just saw the Reeuncle used in a TV show and decided to check it out. After doing that, I came up with all the conclusions you did. It's just common sense, which people rarely use when buying appliances/electronics, especially those called "green".
As someone who has lived with and without a dishwasher at different times in my life... this countertop "composter" appliance is not even close to the usefulness of a dishwasher, let alone the time savings. The only way that I have time to do all the other homestead chores AND take care of the house and a toddler and avoid using paper plates and such is because I can just chuck all the dishes in and press go.
Agree! I have neuropathy and limited hand "energy" so to speak. A dishwasher has literally given me extra stamina to cook. Otherwise I'd be too exhausted to clean anything
speaking of kitchens, i love the occasional glimpse at your outdoor kitchen in progress. I would love to hear about your plans for that space some time. Love the idea of an actual stovey stove in an outdoor kitchen.
Therf00t fan, now a Parkrose Permaculture fan as well. Stay strong and do you. I don't know the first thing about what it is you do, but I'm happy to learn something new. Also, I always referred to "greenwashing" as Astroturfing. Not sure if they are the same thing, but that was always my go-to term.
Thanks for sharing different compost methods. I wanted to buy a compost tumbler bin but it was too expensive. But I also have nerve damage so I cannot hot compost on my own. I plan to research worm bins and bokashi next. Cold composting is way too slow. I feel like cold composting only works if you have a lot of space. Edit: I actually think I'd be better off with a tumbler because the bokashi starters will add up $$
I do worm composting with all my worms. They eat all my paper, cardboard and vegetable and grain. My garden gets Real soil enhancements and I get to share worms and castings with others! Ps I live in Idaho near Canadian boarder and my outdoor worms in worm bed. I loose some in winter but come spring all the cocoons hatch and they are back. European Nightcrawlers are more winter hardy than Red Wigglers, FYI.
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Just watched the thunderf00t video on this. Don't let them scare you into taking this video down! These scammers need to be exposed.
Oh goodness, I didn’t realize he’d mentioned me! Thank you!!
Same here
Me too.
Same here, just paused thunderf00t's video to add my support to your video. If the sender of the legal threat was genuine, that's absolutely disgusting behaviour from Lomi/Pela.
Yeah, I came from Thunder as well. Do not bow down to these Lomi thugs.
If scammers are threatening to sue you, it means you did something right. 🌲
You have nothing to worry about, ThunderFoot and all his ThunderToes are on your side. ❤️
for we are many ^^
we all need to sub here
Bruh no need to call it thundertoes lol
thundertoes, thats disgusting
@@RandomGuy-nm6bm enjoy
I really hope you get way more subscribers. Your message of rejecting capitalist consumer culture is something that I think is one of if not the most important topics of our time. We live in a very strange world, it's like people are addicted to being addicted. Always have to have the latest gadget or whatever. I'm so tired of it. It's truly great to hear someone that is well spoken address the problem _and_ have at least some workable solutions. Just keep being you, and don't let the bastards get you down.
"Capitalist consumer culture" is not bad. I was born under socialism. Why do you think people are fleeing from it to capitalist countries? The problem is that the West is driven by capitalism anymore. California is almost Bolshevism, with central planning, big government, etc. Now corporations are replacing countries, they're just a little more effective. But this is not the fault of capitalism, but the lack of it.
@@ChristopherSumera
eh, it's very much possible to be capitalist AND reject consumer culture ie garbage like this
Seriously. It seems that most of North America is under this spell of just throwing money at whatever seems convenient but forget the convenience of not needing to own a car, or to clear a pool, or to mow a lawn...
I can't afford an electric kitchen composter and after watching this video I don't want one. Im going to look into bokashi (I'm in an apartment). Thank you for the video
Totally agree. Not to mention the amount of electricity used in the process.
I learned a lot. Wow. Didn't realize there were indoor compost options. Great messaging at the end especially.
Thunderfoot sent me. We have your back. Great content!
All the lomi does is dehydrate and chop up your scraps. It isn't really composting and I find their advertising frustrating. Thanks for this video!
Very very good point. It doesn’t actually make the material bio-available to plants. It’s not actually true compost.
@@ParkrosePermaculture Who doesn't want expensive food sand, though.
The Lomi ad has been following me around too and I can’t find a way to tell them (or Google) that I’ll never buy that useless gadget! It’s not compost, just chopped up desiccated food. DIY worm bins are a great alternative for small urban spaces. I’m still working with the progeny of my original worm bin 12 years later!
@@shaunmdaniel I purposefully started clicking on their ad to go to their website because I know it costs them a few dollars every time I do that.
@@ParkrosePermaculture Lomi says in their ads that it creates the beginning of compost.
Lomi electric dehydrating blender.
As a disabled person who also has intense executive functioning challenges, the Lomi has been a life-saver for me and my family. I agree that it's not a save-the-world solution, but I absolutely love my Lomi and the fact that I can make useful compost instead of toxic sludge on my counter now.
I actually was going to have the same comment for having a dishwasher. It's amazing for people who have arthritis or tremors, though unfortunately many who could actually benefit from one don't have the funds for one or a residence with one. I think the Lomi "could" fit a scenario for a disabled person, anyone with physical/cognitive limitations or if they live in an urban place like NYC (where I am from) where worm bins can be an ongoing battle because pests are a plenty. But I agree that it's a lot and its not something everyone should go for. I also hate their recurring need of purchase of pods and filters. I think the Lomi can* be a part of a larger strategy if used carefully for the right people in helping move towards a more sustainable world. Because the problem I see right now with sustainable practices is that there needs to be more guidance and teaching for the public AND many practices now are not actually accessible. I know a few people who have chronic illness and many "green" best practices are mentally and physically taxing to the point of their health being at risk.
@@vampireturtle Well put!
Same for living on a motorhome!
The thing is with Lomi and other things is that they are not targeting people like us. They're targeting people with money, disposable income, and folks that DO NOT do much to reduce their waste. I feel like, yes this is a strange luxury product, but if it helps divert food from landfill from folks that would literally not ever do it otherwise, maybe it's a positive thing? Currently a lot of condo buildings do not encourage nor offer green bin projects (which hopefully changes soon but feel hopeless with our provincial government)
The problem is the product is junk, and will end up in the landfill itself.
@@Jeremy-kq5bs I don't disagree!
It's an dehydrator and food shredder.
Yup. Doesn’t make compost.
I couldn't wait to comment. Haven't got far in the video yet but want to say THANK YOU! for addressing this 'composter'
Coming from thunderfoot to show some support
We have your back!
I keep getting the ads for this counter composter also, usually targeted to me I guess because I watch a lot of gardening and how to compost videos. Thank you for this video
Preach! I loved your rant. I worm compost in my basement and am thinking about trying bokashi as well.
I was thinking about buying the Lomi, but had some questions. And I ran into your video. I found the 1st minutes tantalizing. You are an absolute genius. How you pinned down what sustainability means and how creating technology that is designed to need replacements can't be sustainable was amazing. The highway to sustainability is not spending 600 dollars in a tower to grow lettuce... So obviously true, but I admit I was also about to fall into it. You are the best!
i came from Thunderf00t channel...stay strong Parkrose, fight for what is right ...Contact Coffeezila youtube channel too he like to fight bad company too
I made a comment on social media to this effect when I started getting ads for this product and people really came for me. I was so confused why everyone was defending this product. I completely agree with what you're saying in this video. Thank you for being the voice of reason and having the courage to put it out there :)
(I vermicomposted in a rubbermaid bin under my counter when I lived in university residence and then in apartments and it worked great.)
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
Several years ago I encouraged a rich friend to take her paper towel roll out to the compost instead of putting it in the trash. Her response? "I bought a Prius, isn't that enough?" My eyes rolled loudly.
Wow . . . just wow.
That's the vibe on Lomi ads, too. It's buying your way out of a problem -- which is incredibly classist.
@@ellenzientek So sad.
Real sustainability vs. "alternative sustainability" in a nutshell.
Came here from ThunderFoot, nice video!
Thundef00t got me to check out your videos. Thanks for your honest review, I hope Lomi stops threatening you with legal actions.
I liked learning about green washing, it was well explained in the video, and she made a good point about the product not being sustainable because it is costly, requires materials to manufacture, requires shipping, and will likely end up as junk somewhere. I never thought the machine was a good idea, all it does is use energy to desiccate the food, and then they tell you to add it to a compost heap anyway, or to just throw it in the bin if there is nowhere else for you to put it. So I don't understand why anyone would pay money to have a large device take up space on the kitchen counter top, only to go through a rather pointless process before discarding it as waste anyhow. It uses electricity to process the material, it is time consuming to go through the process, and it fills the house with a smell. It doesn't make sense why anyone would buy it. But I was not aware of the green washing marketing ploy from the entrepreneurs who don't really care about sustainability. It is a good idea to tell people about that.
I was searching "best home composter", the first video was about Lomi. I was like, no way I will use an electronic appliance to make compost. I am so happy to have find your video.
Woo, getting fired up! Yes 100%. Thank for you articulating perfectly why this is BS
I’m so glad someone made this video! (And love the rage 🤣). The Lomi is so incredibly lame 😒. Thanks for offering alternatives as well.
Saw you mentioned on ThunderfOOt's channel so I stopped in to drop a like and subscribe! I liked your vid on the food expiration dates.
Thank you!!
I feel you bro. Totally understandable. Greenwashing is so annoying
I came here after watching Thunderf00t's video , you deserve a like and subscribe
Thank you!
wow I love this video. That's some hot fire. Thanks so much for this.
Great video, my girlfriend was almost ready to buy one of these for us and I talked her out of it. We live where it is very, very cold outside for eight months of the year where anything we put outside freezes and we also live in Bear country. Limited space in the house forcomposting very well, but we’re going to try anything but buying one of these devices. Thank you.
I have a compost system made of three wooden pallets (free) and a 24" long compost thermometer ($25) that isn't really necessary. It might not be for every situation, but I'll be hard pressed to think any of these devices (countertop grinders, tumblers) do for hundreds of dollars better than what Gomer (pile) does for next to nothing. This is really timely; a couple of days ago a friend was asking my opinion on Lomi and I think my disenchanted answer wasn't what he was hoping for. It might make compost precursor, but in 24 hours it isn't compost. And composting that relies on running electricity 24 hrs at a time is pretty antithetical to what we're trying to do to begin with!
Gomer!! Lol
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Thanks for the video. I’ve tried bokashi, I had 2 bins but eventually stopped because I don’t have a garden to bury the fermented end product, and it’s too much to go on the pot plants.😢
FYI most modern dishwashers use *significantly* less water than hand washing.
Everyone from Thunderfoot watch the video and then watch it again on 0.25x speed on mute this will increase the watch time and increase this video's reach.
Dishwashers are only considered something that conserves water compared to just leaving the water running while washing by hand. So if you're keeping up on your dishes before they need to be soaked them your probably using less water.
I used to believe that, until I measured how much water I was using while handwashing, vs a dishwasher. (I suggest measuring how much you use, and look at overall efficiency per dishes washed.) Dishwasher was worse if I were to wash daily (which did not fill my dishwasher). If I do dishes every second day, dishwasher uses less water than daily handwashing. My dishwasher uses 12l for the default "Eco" mode, and being outside of the US, it is not a dishwasher which grinds food waste up, not sure how common those are in the US though. My monthly water usage dropped after getting a dishwasher, granted, only my one anecdotal experience, but I think it is a situation specific result.
The efficiency of a dishwasher greatly depends on the model, and chosen cycle, with some older ones using scary amounts of water, and electricity. I'm no stranger to water scarcity, having lived through droughts where the only supply was our stored rainwater. Accidentally flushing the toilet once instead of leaving liquids in the bowel until the next solid obliterates any potential hand vs dishwasher savings.
If you run a tap for more than 2 minutes, you're using more water than a modern dishwasher... Which can wash 12 place settings even with caked on food. There's literally no way a person washing their dishes uses less water and energy, especially if your dishwasher is being fed cold water and has its own heating element . Singles who live alone would probably be better off hand washing, as they're unable to adequately fill a dishwasher, but then... Small dishwashers exist which in turn use even less water. Dishwashers, like refrigeration, is a technology we can use to help reduce waste and live more sustainably. Now if we didn't have a capitalist system that makes garbage appliances that die fast, we could all benefit from appliances that ACTUALLY improve our livelihoods and our environment in the long term.
These ads have been showing up on my feed a lot lately. I was even feeling the tug of trying to save up for one since I live in an upstairs apartment with a balcony.
While I definitely prefer your videos where I get to see your beautiful garden, I really appreciate your voice, perspective, and knowledge! Thanks for posting this.
I got a lot ads about compost bag. Not gonna buy those expensive ones. I used several container to compost. Big clay pot, partly buried reused container, composting in situ using trench, and big water thorn with hole on the bottom to take finished compost and harvest the liquid. In tropic, composting is faster, we need to replenish the nutrient which got flushed in heavy rain. I am still trying to worm compost, no time to spare though.
Glad you called this out. There are so many options that use the power of life, from bacteria to worms to insect larva to chickens, yet some folks are so squeamish about life that they'd rather have a plastic gadget they'll throw away in a few years.
Saw Thunderf00ts new video, so I came to show you support. Subscribed.
Angela is there a way to avoid having to repeatedly purchase the bokashi bran?
The marketing is so mind blowing. One could still over consume things that are labeled sustainable. I received the same ad. I rolled my eyes. I put my food scraps in a large old yogurt container until I put the items in an old storage tote (which cost me $5). Both work fine. You called it!
😆 just open the door and throw the scraps outside, rich people.... nature's got you.
I'm glad thunderf00t sent me in the direction of this channel-- it's fantastic.
This video has done more for the planet than the entire Lomi company because I think I am going to do a worm bin in the garage.
You can take my dishwasher from my cold dead hands though!
how does the worm bin work out for you
I came here from Thunderf00t's video to throw you a like for the algorithm.
Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.
I’ll share that I use bokashi to handle our waste (2 people in an apartment). We don’t have any land/soil to dig the finished pre-compost into and I tried using the “sharewaste” app to find someone who would accept it but there’s no one near us. So we now have a “soil factory” which I process the bokashi in, a 20L storage container with a lid which I filled with compost and the processed bokashi. I started the soil factory 2 months ago and just filled it up with the most recent fermented bokashi bucket. When I dug through I was surprised to find loads of worms in my soil factory! they must have come from the compost I added. There were babies, cocoons and mature red wigglers. So I have a kind of accidental 2-in-1 approach.
I'm so grateful for finding you and having you share your ideas! Please...keep up the amazing work and education!
It does not create compost.
It cuts and dehydrates materia.
lt does this using A LOT of electricity, making it REALLY bad in environmental light. (several hundred kW during operation iirc)
It also promises to reduce smelly compost bins, but the hot kitchen scraps do make your kitchen smelly as the water is steamed off...
What they suggest you do with the dehydrated scraps when you're done?
"Um, just throw it in the bio waste bin?"
Which you could have done in the first place!!!
there is no need* for this device, it does not solve any of the problems it claims to solve, it costs a lot, and uses a lot of electricity.
The only thing I could think of using this for is to preserve kitchen scraps to be used as chicken fodder in winter.
TIL about Greenwashing
Good point. I would generalize it still further, though: any messages that seem to suggest a way out of our ecological crises that does not require collective action are problematic, full stop. And even a lot of the "individual solutions" themselves are only really feasible at scale given changes in social preconditions that will require collective struggles to bring about
Totally completely agree with you. It perpetuates the fallacy that it’s individuals who are responsible for environmental devastation and we don’t need to hold corporations accountable or craft policies to protect people and the planet. Thanks for bringing that up!
I did a shout out in my community... looking for someone that has a compost in their yard. I live in a very strict HOA driven townhouse complex. So I drive to the other end of the town and go in someones back yard. I give her $10 each spring/summer. for worms. The dirt is beautiful! She got the compost box as a mothers day. gift. I've been helping to educate her on it. Can't wait to move to Florida.. to a house where I can do this MYSELF!
I thoroughly enjoyed your rollicking rant. You are restoring my faith in humanity 😂
Was seeking information on composting in a situation without having a garden, instead I get lectured. Nice.
Pretty clear from the title what the video was going to be about. Hope you found some helpful options for composting without a garden.
Awesome. Now I lack the ability to comprehend a written sentence. I am enthralled by the opportunity I have to learn morality, the evils of our society, and how I am a part of it's failures @@ParkrosePermaculture
I've been getting those ads too. I decided to look at it to understand what is being offered. First thing I noticed, was they don't seem to want to talk about how much energy is used during the process. That is a giant red flag, if their website doesn't seem to give out energy usage info, or makes it hard to find. Reading the one and 2 star reviews, its huge, heavy, noisy, and creates burnt smelling gunk. Unfortunately they are sold out through May.
How much better might our situation be if pre high school science was filled with how to make a worm bin and what is Bokashi type subjects.
That's a great idea. The kids could even create a compost from their cafeteria scraps.
@@BronsteinEmily That was my first thought, but with a worm bin, if set up for it would offer all sorts of training in observational skills like following how long it takes the worms to eat what, layering different materials and watching how the worms favor different materials. There are a lot of possibilities and it would create lifelong understanding of how to manage compostables.
Angela, thanks for the information. I take our kitchen scraps to my big compost bins daily. I think I will consider worm bin. Do you have a video on how to start and maintain a worm bin?
Most modern dishwashers use significantly less water than hand washing
Yes, but the machine had to be produced and used up steel, plastic and power and still needs power to run every time And has to be recycled (hopefully) at the end of its time. But nevertheless I would never not have a dishwasher- it saves water, detergent, power, my dry skin and most of all: time. This lomi machine does neither save money nor power nor space and does not even produce proper compost.
I agree. I was against a dishwasher for a long time but after a lot of research, I found a small model that it uses FAR less water than hand washing (especially the way my partner washes dishes, which is probably closer to a 'normal person' vs me who conserves consciously) and actually uses a tiny bit of electricity, which we run off peak for savings, and we only run it 100% full. We use grey water safe soap. Honestly it's saved us a lot of money on our water bill so I feel good about the reduction of water.
Not if you use a dishpan and then use the water to water your plants :). I’m not anti dishwasher, but they are one more appliance to maintain and that wears out and ends up in the dump eventually.
@@ParkrosePermaculture totally, I get that and that's how I wash dishes. unfortunately, the other main dish washer in my house does not do it like that, so for us the machine dishwasher is a compromise and actually saves us water/money etc. I do have a dishpan to collect water that goes into the sink from random hand washing and washing hands etc and that waters our plants :)
I'm here because Thunderfoot said you needed support. You've just found another new subscriber.
Very good presentation. Having recently gone from a household of 4 to living alone I have been considering how I will continue composting, I produce very little waste but strive to keep as much as possible out of the landfill. I have done some research on bokashi and it seems like the best method for me.
Solar panels are almost in the same category as they are not recycable anduse lots of rare materials. I found that worm bin gets flying incects,so it doesn't work inside, for sure not apartment.
Going solar is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. Ever look into how much energy is expended in manufacturing a solar panel? You might be surprised. Look at the whole energy budget, starting with getting the materials out of the ground, refining them, running the electric furnaces that make the "logs" from which the wafers are cut.........
Love your video, i came to see it from Tunderf00t channel 😊. But I'm here to stay.
Welcome!!
@@ParkrosePermaculture 🤗
I was ranting about this product a couple of weeks ago. As far as I've been able to tell, it's a kitchen waste processor, not a composter. It seems to produce ground up, desiccated material that absolutely is not compost. Compost is a biologically rich material that's teeming with life. This is anything but.
Good morning. I recently watched your video where you spoke against greenwashing gimmicks like electric composters. I was planning to buy one, but your video made me reconsider. I am now thinking of going back to Bokashi composting. I would appreciate it if you could make a video about Bokashi composting. I want to learn more about what you do. Take care.
I very much so understand your point and I agree. I do however think it is. possible these compositors may be better than the alternative of just throwing food waste out. I really do. care. for the environment but I simply do not have enough time to take care of a worm bin or bocashi so it is either an electric composter or the trash can. Do you have any thoughts? I am not a scammer and really do want to do the right thing here.
there's a huge difference between individuals making the best choice they can within a flawed system and a company selling a plastic product claiming it "helps save the earth" when it does no such thing.
I don't know the math on whether the environmental impact of using one of these composters, with all of the resources it consumes - in the manufacture, marketing, packaging, shipping, use, and eventual disposal in the dump - would cancel out the environmental benefit of putting fewer food scraps in the trash.
I'd say, personally, how many hours it takes me to earn $500 and then to pay for the electricity of one of these machines...how many hours do I have to spend working to pay for this gadget v how many hours do I spend on my worm bin? Everything takes time. Worm bin takes an hour once every six months to empty out...it would take years to make one of these devices more time-conserving than that. Just some perspective.
I really want to have a conversation about the use case of making chicken food. Chunky wet food scraps are not optimal as chicken feed and if you feed chickens egg shells without baking and crushing them then they learn to break eggs and that isn't good. So a device which efficiently heats and chops food waste seems extremely useful to me.
Your work is an inspiration. Will subscribe because I wish I could be more eco-friendly and I know the proper way has no shortcuts and no green-washed products can replace proper technique. Thank you!
I use red wigglers for composting...they are freaking amazing. I use is my $9.00 food chopper to cut up their scraps,etc. If that fails..I will use my awesome Ulu knife. I am slowly moving and weaning myself off of electric gadgets. I still have a couple of multipurpose appliances, but they are few. This is my effort to be proactive, in the event we have no electricity. My goal is to be off the grid as much as possible.
…Here from Thunderf00t’s channel to show you support.
Please don’t let the charlatans from Lomi bully you to take down any of you videos.
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Do most cities that take yard waste for composting allow food waste to be included?
That totally depends on your city/ county and what kind of composting systems they have- though mostly only stuff like scrap meat or non organic lemon scrap are excluded from certain compost facilities, your apple peel and bread rinds are fine.
most Ontario municipalities take all kitchen scraps, compostable things (soiled papers, etc etc) in a green bin program. it's not the same as yard waste pick up and many places don't pick up yard waste (I agree, it's silly to bag up and transfer leaves that can just decompose in place)
Portland, OR did a pilot project on including kitchen food waste in the "green bin" along w/ plant material. It was hugely successful and diverted something like 25,000 tons of food waste from landfills. Every home got a free countertop compost bin to collect food scraps. I'm not sure how many other major cities allow it, though.
I wish they had allowed restaurants to keep doing it like they did at the beginning!
@@ellenzientek toronto did something similar which was great
Love your passion!
I'm here, because I've just watched Thunderf00t's newest "Busted" :)
Thanks. You saved me from having to make this UA-cam myself.
Bokashi is amazing! It can be done diy with a bucket from restaurants and rice wash water. It is all here on youtube. The benefits of bokashi are numerous and the soil improved so the bed result is a bigger yield.
Seen you were mentioned in a Thunderf00t video. You definitely earned a subscriber. I quit eating meat 4 or so years ago, because I felt like a hypocrite talking to others about Climate Change and livestock emissions when I'm stuffing my face with beef, so I'm certainly interested in ways I can further contribute to sustainability culture. I look forward to learning more from you :)
I can get the same results as a lomi, or electronic "composter" using my dehydrator which I already own and a coffee grinder I already own. Glad I never bought one.. on a side note I ditched my dishwasher after the second time it leaked n caused water damage to the house.
I would really love to have a worm compost bin, but I’ve already got fungus gnats in my plants inside. No outdoor space except a full sun community garden patch that I think will get too hot in summer. Any way I can avoid it becoming a fungus gnat nursery?
You could throw a bug net over it. I don’t have a bug net, so I just use an old bed sheet. My worm bin is inside. Planning to build an in-garden worm bin in my raised beds this year. I live in a temperate climate.
There's a nematode treatment available to organically get rid of fungal gnats in your house plants. Have heard it's v effective.
My worm bin is outside, I''m not sure if it would attract fungal gnats indoors. It has a lid so wonder if they would get in or not.
Bottom watering your plants usually solves gnat infestations
one of our worm bins had black soldier flies overtake it for a while..
my understanding is that they are less efficient and make good feed g
but not great compost, but they are also very flexible with what you can give them
Hadn’t heard of bokashi. Thanks for the info.
Thunderf00t sent me. Thank you for fighting the good fight, don’t let yorself be intimidated by low-level con-men litigatirs and scammers!
I live in a small apartment and have no municipal compost, no space for a worm bin, and have tried bokashi for a couple of years now. There is nothing to do with it when I am done. I list it online for free, I knoe lots of peoole with yards, and nobody will take it. Mine always goes bad and smells horrible. I finally got a Lomi. It is my only option.
In Portland municipal composting to apartments and condominiums is not available. I take my kitchen food scraps to my sister's house as she has yard debris/compost bin. Win-win!
Ugh I didn’t know this. We should change that!
The lomi is totally a silicone valley-adjacent money grab and like the perspective and info but dishwashers literally use less water than hand washing, and uses less energy when accounting for the energy to heat water. Also where are these places with municipal composting?? Bc ive only ever had this experience in NYC proper, not in NJ or Texas (but there are some nice co-ops in certain urban areas with municipal style system).
I would like to know your perspective on the vitamix foodcycler, as it doesnt have disposables, and would have a long lifespan (being a vitamix)!
Great video & message overall but it sounds like some finer details are missing?
Great video, thank you! I'm so glad to be able to learn from you.
I was hoping you'd get to this...
I just saw the Reeuncle used in a TV show and decided to check it out. After doing that, I came up with all the conclusions you did. It's just common sense, which people rarely use when buying appliances/electronics, especially those called "green".
As someone who has lived with and without a dishwasher at different times in my life... this countertop "composter" appliance is not even close to the usefulness of a dishwasher, let alone the time savings. The only way that I have time to do all the other homestead chores AND take care of the house and a toddler and avoid using paper plates and such is because I can just chuck all the dishes in and press go.
Agree! I have neuropathy and limited hand "energy" so to speak. A dishwasher has literally given me extra stamina to cook. Otherwise I'd be too exhausted to clean anything
I will try the Bakashi method Thanks!
The dishwasher uses less water if you collect dirty dishes and wash them all at once
Wonderfully said. Iv'e seen some sustainability UA-camrs endorse Lomi.
It’s not a composted! It’s a dehydrator! People are paying to dehydrate food scraps! 😩
speaking of kitchens, i love the occasional glimpse at your outdoor kitchen in progress. I would love to hear about your plans for that space some time. Love the idea of an actual stovey stove in an outdoor kitchen.
Right on! Exactly as you say. Thanks for this great post!
Therf00t fan, now a Parkrose Permaculture fan as well. Stay strong and do you. I don't know the first thing about what it is you do, but I'm happy to learn something new.
Also, I always referred to "greenwashing" as Astroturfing. Not sure if they are the same thing, but that was always my go-to term.
Thanks for sharing different compost methods. I wanted to buy a compost tumbler bin but it was too expensive. But I also have nerve damage so I cannot hot compost on my own. I plan to research worm bins and bokashi next. Cold composting is way too slow. I feel like cold composting only works if you have a lot of space.
Edit: I actually think I'd be better off with a tumbler because the bokashi starters will add up $$
You rock and Thunderf00t says hi! :)
I agree its just another thing thats popular at the moment but people will get fedup with quite quicklyxx
I do worm composting with all my worms. They eat all my paper, cardboard and vegetable and grain. My garden gets Real soil enhancements and I get to share worms and castings with others! Ps I live in Idaho near Canadian boarder and my outdoor worms in worm bed. I loose some in winter but come spring all the cocoons hatch and they are back. European Nightcrawlers are more winter hardy than Red Wigglers, FYI.